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---Logopened Wed Dec 08 00:00:36 2021
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00:04<tertu>okay so i'm having some weirdness of a type similar to that i have experienced before with pulse, namely i have an external audio interface plugged in via usb, it worked one time, and now it doesn't work anymore
00:04<tertu>Alsa seems to recognize that it is a device
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00:09<tertu>and I can use aplay to play to it
00:09<tertu>pulse also recognizes its input, but not its output
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00:33<magyar>sney: second time it worked, I guess the install dvd media is showing up as three types of installers (bios/csm/uefi) , if by mistake the wrong one is selected the partition table/grub will be messed up
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00:58<sney>magyar: ah yeah, it supports both and the text indicating which is not always obvious
01:00<magyar>yep, three choices came up "window" = legacy bios, "uefi" = uefi and "uefi" = csm which got me confused the first time I installed
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04:47<aptgcc>Hello, APT can be compiled with Mingw64 using Windows???
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05:09<at0m>aptgcc: why would you do that?
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05:10<at0m>describe what you want to achieve
05:10<aptgcc>at0m to compile packages for my new project similar to msys2, but will be a Debian distribution, and then install packages from my repository server, so, APT can be compiled with Mingw64 using Windows???
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05:16<petn-randall>aptgcc: You might want to check here if it is supported: https://salsa.debian.org/apt-team/apt
05:16<tzf>can I get in tty while installing debian ?
05:17<tzf>oops, yes
05:17<jm_>you mean shell? yes, on tty2 or differennt screen when screen is used
05:19<aptgcc>APT can be compiled with Mingw64 using Windows???
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05:21<petn-randall>aptgcc: If it's not explicitely supported on the page I linked you, the answer is probably 'no'.
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07:46<grummund>Hi, any suggestions for a tool to find duplicate files and hardlink them?
07:46*grummund already using 'jdupes' but it has some issues.
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07:47<tarzeau>fdupes ?
07:48<grummund>fdupes lasks the option to hardlink duplicates.
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07:50<grummund>jdupes also has an --isolate option, which would be useful, except it fails to do anything afaict. https://paste.debian.net/1222548/
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07:58<jm_>have you tried hardlink package?
07:59<grummund>thanks, i didn't see that one yet.
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09:30<drebs>hello, debians!
09:32<drebs>do i understand it correctly that when a package has +debXuY in its version it means that it was the Y'th upload of that package to Debian version X after that version of Debian was released?
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09:34<bremner>probably?
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09:35<bremner>different upload possibilitys have their own numbering conventions iirc
09:36<bremner>"apt changelog package" should give a complete picture.
09:36<drebs>bremner, thanks!
09:36<drebs>can you give me an example of another meaning for +debXuY ?
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09:37<drebs>(only if you have one, and just so i get what other possibilities there are)
09:38<bremner>I don't have an example at hand.
09:38<drebs>no problem, thanks!
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09:38<bremner>it's a bit XY question though. Is it just curiousity, or is there some underlying issue you are trying to solve?
09:39<milos>ho
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09:39<drebs>bremner, i've upgraded a system and now i'm looking at packages that are installed but that are not in the current configured repositories. I want to decide if i can remove them.
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09:42<ChmEarl>drebs, 5.10.13-1~bpo10+1 <- when bullseye kernel is backported to buster
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09:43<bremner>drebs, I see. Well, aptitude search '~o' can find such packages, but yeah general a human needs to decide
09:43<drebs>bremner, thanks again!
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09:44<drebs>ChmEarl, yeah, i guessed ~bpoX+Y would be for backports and was curious about other possible used for -debXuY
09:45<bremner>that is the convention, I was just cautioning that other uploads might exist with different versioning, meaning you cannot 100% know which upload it is just from the version
09:45<bremner>or versions could go up if some upload is rejected
09:46<bremner>so it's only an approximation.
09:46<bremner>even if in practice it is pretty close.
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11:00<drebs>bremner,ok, thanks a lot for the info
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11:03<villanelle>why does the webtags website limit search results to 20? Is it possible to see all results?
11:04<villanelle>I mean debtags*, excuse me
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11:13<sparky4>test
11:13<drebs>works
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11:29<sknbl>hi people! how can i set display resolution to 1360x768 on bullseye?
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11:36<at0m>sknbl: external monitor? something like xrandr --output VGA (or HDMI) --mode 1360x768
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11:38<at0m>sknbl: you can read out current settings with xrandr --current
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11:41<sknbl>at0m, thank you for response, here is my xrandr --current output https://pastebin.com/raw/XEegJnnb
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11:41<at0m>sknbl: then xrandr --output HDMI-1 --mode 1360x768
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11:42<sknbl>at0m, it says: xrandr: cannot find mode 1360x768
11:42<at0m>lots of TV's I tried indeed pretend they're 1080p, while their native resolution was more like the one you're trying to set
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11:43<at0m>sknbl: oh, that 1360x768 indeed isn't in the options list returned by xrandr --current
11:44<at0m>sknbl: you'll need to pick one of the resolutions there
11:44<at0m>..afaik
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11:46<at0m>for xrandr giggles, there's also https://sprocketfox.io/xssfox/2021/12/02/xrandr/ "perfect coder's rotation"
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11:59<sknbl>thank you at0m, i'm gonna do some testings, will write back if i succed
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12:29<jeremiah>at0m: So good!
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12:59<miracolix>have a nice good evening
13:02*kveroneau will have a good evening.
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13:05<grove>It's a few minutes past 19:00 here, so I will also have a good evening (try to at least), but there are also people here for whom it's nowhere near evening now, they might find that wish quite inappropriate
13:06<sney>!localtime
13:06<dpkg>rumour has it, localtime is Morning? Evening? Afternoon? Sorta depends where you are. So: Good localtime.
13:06<bremner>grove: I hope you are joking. I seems a bit much to get worked up about it...
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13:12<grove>bremner: I wanted to draw attention to the same fact that dpkg (on behalf of sney) pointed to, but what I said was a bit humouristic
13:12<knghtbrd>Good morning. It's morning somewhere
13:12<kveroneau>knghtbrd, it is still morning where I reside.
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13:14<knghtbrd>I'm pretty sure I'm in Hell or in Portland … either way, the public transit could use some work
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13:20<Sqrt{Not}>public transit?? luxury! nothing like that here in Rural, Redstate
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13:21<ova>Hi! I am writing here again because I am not sure if I should open a bug or not. I've managed to setup miniupnpd, but on every service restart it breaks my iptables_nft rules for network address translation. I've figured out that /etc/miniupnpd/nft_removeall.sh:26 from miniupnpd-nftables deletes the whole nftables table "nat", which may be intrusive, since this is done on every
13:21<ova>service restart. Is this a bug, should I report it?
13:23<ova>http://1507103400/krneki/nft_removeall.png
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13:25<grove>Don't post iamages of text!
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13:28<ova>but ... a picture can tell a thousand words (:
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13:28<sney>ova: that does seem destructive, maybe their documentation has some explanation as to why they can't coexist with nat?
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13:29<grove>I don't know much about miniupnpd but that looks like a bug, but can't you work around it by placing your own rules in nat_not_deleted_bu_miniupnpd
13:29<ova>yes, I can do that probably
13:30<grove>ova: A picture can't be indexed/searched, among many other things making them less accessible
13:31<ova>Can IRC be searched at all? I know about MeetBot, but #debian?
13:31<sney>plus, screenshotting a text file, uploading it to an image service, just to share it with a text-only medium is silly on its face
13:31<sney>yes,
13:31<sney>!irclogs
13:31<dpkg>#debian on <freenode> is logged at http://infobot.rikers.org/%23debian/ , #debian on <OFTC> is logged at http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/debian/
13:31<sney>there is also,
13:31<sney>!termbin
13:31<dpkg>you can paste to termbin.com from terminal with redirections: try 'nc termbin.com 9999 < /path/to/file', or 'command | nc termbin.com 9999'
13:32<ova>Yeah, I uploaded to my own server, to not promote non-free network services (;
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13:38<knghtbrd>termbin is on github
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13:40<knghtbrd>https://github.com/solusipse/fiche
13:41<ova>nice!
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13:43<istrive>hello world!
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13:44<grove>!pastebinit
13:44<dpkg>A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "apt-get install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg 2>&1 | pastebinit". For a list of pastebin sites do "pastebinit -l". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
13:45<istrive>I have a variable in bash like this bakdst=/mnt/wownas/Backup/Image Backup/Duplicity/DEBSYS/ - the space is in the path and it cannot be reset (windows share), when I try parsing the variable with "$bakdst" it fails with ./dupbak.sh: line 10: [: /mnt/wownas/Backup/Image: binary operator expected,
13:45<istrive>how can I fix this?
13:46<jmcnaught>,i fiche
13:46<judd>Package fiche (net, optional) in bullseye/amd64: Receiver for command line output pastebin. Version: 0.9.1-1+b1; Size: 9.2k; Installed: 36k; Homepage: https://github.com/solusipse/fiche
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13:51<somiaj>istrive: bakdst="..." Since bash also accepts commands like var=foo command, so you need to ensure that space is added to the variable (also include it in quotes like you did)
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13:56<Sqrt{Not}>istrive, see the "QUOTING" section of man bash
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16:09<_alexrelis_>What are your guys' thoughts on this article? : https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Web-Browser-Packages-Debian
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16:15<somiaj>_alexrelis_: What info is it you want? Browers in debian stable currently have issues.
16:15<somiaj>chromium just doens't have enough people to package it, and unless volunteers step up, it might just be dropped from debian
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16:15<somiaj>the new firefox-esr cannot be built with stable tools, so they are trying to figure out how to properly backport rust to build it
16:16<somiaj>There are alternatives to install the browsers outside of debian if you are intersted
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16:20<sarnold>would flatpak / appimage / snap packaged browsers be able to supply their own newer mesa and work that way? or is the problem the 'distro' mesa version?
16:21<aloo_shu>hi, looking around in mirror contents, I've come across list files of an install medium format I'm very interested in - 16GB usb stick image, was too dumb to locate such an image, though. kind links?
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16:28<somiaj>sarnold: Unsure there, but firefox-esr 91 I thought still had support for the older mesa version, it is going to be the next esr that might be an issue
16:29<sarnold>somiaj: ah, then there'sa bit of time to sort out something
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16:34<Unit193>...Don't use browsers on stable, got it. :3
16:34<imMute>that's not what was said, but go off.
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16:36<somiaj>aloo_shu: not sure what you mean by 16gb usb format. All debian .isos can be written to a usb. Though the iso size is determined by the traditional cd mediusms, so you have net install size, dvd size, and blueray size
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16:36<somiaj>There are ways to make custom images, but the ones that are created by the cd team are basically netinstall size, live image are the size to fit the desired desktop, and then dvd and blueray
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16:37<aloo_shu>somiaj: one min
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16:42<aloo_shu>somiaj: rsync debian.inf.tu-dresden.de::debian-cd/current/amd64/list-16G/
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16:43<aloo_shu>that's my lead
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16:47<somiaj>https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/amd64/
16:47<aloo_shu>oh right, it's available as jigdo
16:47<somiaj>yea, guess they provide that for someone who wants to use the full 16gig usb drive
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16:48<aloo_shu>thanks for being my rubberduck ;)
16:48<aloo_shu>yeah and it's an excellent idea
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17:17<david>is there a way to prevent thunderbird from not following the proxy settings? seems to me like if the proxy isn't working it will inevitabli fall back to using normal connection
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17:30<mason>david: Firewall maybe.
17:31<david>mason I guess I need to play with iptables, or I can do this with ufw?
17:31<mason>david: I'm not super familiar with ufw but I suspect it'd work.
17:32<david>are you aware of this being normal behavior for thunderbird? I have read firefox is doing this but I always have difficulties finding news about thunderbird
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17:33<mason>Someone will know, but not me unfortunately. Mutt user.
17:33<david>oh I never tried mutt
17:34<david>sometimes I think I should switch to claws
17:34<david>anyways thanks I'll try with ufw
17:35<somiaj>thesee days you should be using nftables, but iptables and thus uwf are all wrappers around nft anyways
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17:38<david>I think I remember reading something in the changelog about the switch from iptables if I'm not mistaken
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17:38<david>but nftables is not even installed on my debian, I'll get it then
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17:41<somiaj>david: nftables is part of the kernel, and I suspect you are really using iptables-nft which is just a wrapper for nft using iptables syntax
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17:43<david>no actually the package I have installed is just "iptables", but I'm reading know the notes of the package itself saying "The iptables/xtables framework has been replaced by nftables. You should consider migrating now."
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17:43<somiaj>and iptables package provides both iptables-nft and iptables-legacy
17:44<david>ok ok you are right
17:44<somiaj>ls -l /etc/alternatives/iptables -- what does that point at?
17:45<david> /usr/sbin/iptables-nft
17:45<david>:)
17:45<somiaj>which as I said, is just a wrapper, so you are really using nftables (:
17:45<somiaj>nftables syntax is also nicer than iptables, so it is worth learning, but due to this wrapper you can avoid it
17:46<david>with iptables-nft can I use both? or only iptables one?
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17:51<somiaj>you can use both
17:51<somiaj>you just can't use the old iptables and new nftables, but since iptables-nft is really a wrapper, you are using nft, just with iptables syntax.
17:51<somiaj>(this is at the kernel levle)
17:57<david>good to know thank you
17:58<tertu>so uh...... what is snmp
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18:01<somiaj>google says simple network management protocol
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18:05<tertu>that much i have gathered
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18:24<david>ok I'm bad at networking... so I was trying to create an ufw app profile for thunderbird, in the profile I'm supposed to specify some ports, here I shouldn't put the proxy ports right? just the standard ones for smtp and imap or pop3, and after creating the profile use the deny allow commands of ufw with proxy ports and address, right?
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18:25<david>I'm using ufw because I believe it's easier than nftables and iptables
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18:43<Sqrt{Not}>david, are you trying to prevent thunderbird from connecting out on certain ports? or prevent it receiving somehow connections from elsewher
18:46<david>yeah I realized that the ports in the ufw app profile are only about incoming connections, right?
18:46<david>I'm trying to prevent thunderbird from connecting outside the proxy
18:46<david>so like only connecting through 127.0.0.1:8118
18:47<david>can I do this with ufw?
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18:48<sarnold>probably not
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18:48<sarnold>if you configure a separate network namespace, and run thunderbird in that, you could probably get something similar
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18:49<david>ok, not with ufw, but ip/nftables can do that, right?
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18:52<david>or firejail maybe? I'm open to learn a new program if I know it's the right one
18:54<sarnold>firejail maybe, yeah
18:54<sarnold>afaik iptables/nftables can do filtering by userid, which is possible, but also pretty complicated
18:55<sarnold>maybe running thunderbird as a different userid than the rest of your software is easier than configuring a new network namespace for it. I'm not sure.
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19:00<david>yeah I think it may be too complicated for me, I think I'll try with firejail first
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20:47<jcbjoe2021>im running irssi on a vps which is bullseye im also locally on debian bullyseye. i ssh into the vps and use irc irssi is very slow right now like lagging. is it irssi or debian?
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20:50<sarnold>jcbjoe2021: you'll have to do some investigation to figure out what's going on; this suggests a few quick things you can do to learn more about bottlenecks https://www.brendangregg.com/blog/2015-12-03/linux-perf-60s-video.html
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20:51<sarnold>jcbjoe2021: some of those tools require installing other packages that track data over time, etc, and may not necessarily be perfect for you, but there should be enough there to get you started on figuring out where your problems lie
20:51<jcbjoe2021>thank sarnold
20:52<jcbjoe2021>s/thank/thanks/
20:55<jcbjoe2021>sarnold: i think i know why it was slow kinda, i had weechat on the vps running also and irssi running connected to my znc also my vps has been up for 21 days maybe a reboot is in order?
20:56<sarnold>jcbjoe2021: well.. reboots are often a good idea, but my irssi VM has been up for ~200 days or something and feels about the same
20:56<sarnold>(I really should do something about this, 200 is about 100 more than I expected :)
20:57<jcbjoe2021>wow 200 days
20:58<jcbjoe2021>sarnold: you have irssi in a vm connected to a server vps or something or how is it working? i know you dn't have your computer on this whole time
21:00<sarnold>jcbjoe2021: hah, I've got a bunch of computers that I never turn off.. irssi is running in an EC2 instance on AWS (512M ram, I'm astonished it works as well as it does), my laptop is up 159 days, my 'big machine' is up 92 days, my rpi3b+ is up 159 days, my other laptop is up 176 days..
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21:04<jcbjoe2021>and i thought 22 days on a vps was something 0_o
21:06<sussudio>i had a router pc that had an uptime of 7 or 8 years. flipped over the 497 day kernel 2.2.25 uptime bug a bunch of times.
21:06<dvs>I'd be worried about a lack of kernel security updates.
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21:06<sussudio>the cpu fan finally died, then the one in the power supply. didn't even notice until the summer, when it finally segfaulted (but kept on routing).
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21:08<sarnold>yeah, once upon a time I had a machine with >1000 day uptime... I don't think I'd let that happen these days. even with livepatches, there's stuff that just can't be livepatched and you'll need to reboot to fix
21:09<sussudio>i have pending kernel upgrades on 2 machines, but the diff just seems to be something i don't use, or mostly anyone, for that matter.
21:09<sarnold>sussudio: hah, I had an openbsd firewall like that; the hard drive died, I didn't notice for a while until I tried to log in, and couldn't get in. it kept routing packets for another month or something, I turned it off when I went away for christmas holidays, and when I came back it wouldn't boot
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21:10<sarnold>I took the hard drive apart because why not, and it had a very lovely groove in the platters. my guess was logging every packet blocked at the firewall was a bad idea
21:11<sussudio>that router had a harddrive without a buffer. it couldn't keep up with a ddos some childish users on freenode were doing.
21:12<sussudio>it also didn't have smart, and made a clunking sound if you tried to read smart values from it.
21:12<sarnold>ow :)
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21:12<sussudio>2GB seagate or something.
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21:13<neal_>Hi
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21:15<neal_>How can i save alsamixer settings?
21:18<sarnold>neal_: try alsactl save and alsactl restore -- check the manpage for full info on what they do, I've never used them myself..
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21:21<neal_>Thanks. alsactl save doesn't work: command nt found. alsactl restore does not save alsa mixer settings after reboot. Any other ideas please?
21:22<sarnold>dang :( I assume alsactl restore only works if the alsactl save command worked. bummer.
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21:22<sussudio>neal_: i hear this guy "jesus" saves, maybe ask him.
21:24<neal_>i asked yeshua (jesus). He said ask on Hexchat.
21:24<sarnold>oh yeah you get the best advice on irc
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21:25<sussudio>,file alsactl
21:25<judd>Search for alsactl in bullseye/amd64: alsa-utils: usr/sbin/alsactl
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21:32<neal_>judd, i typed vim usr/sbin/alsactl where i find many @ in this file with not much else.
21:32<judd>No package named 'typed' was found in bullseye/amd64.
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21:33<somiaj>neal_: note the package it is a part of, install that package
21:34<somiaj>alsa-utils isn't installed by default and most don't interface with alsa directly, pulse or pipewire does it
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21:38<neal_>i did install alsamixer (alsa-utils) and have manually set the icons at F6 (sound card). However on reboot sound is mute.
21:38<somiaj>what version of debian are you running?
21:39<somiaj>anyways /usr/sbin is only in roots $PATH by default, are you running this as root?
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21:39<neal_>i'm using testing xfce.
21:40<jcbjoe2021>sussudio: 8 years? There is no lag or anything?
21:41<somiaj>Note testing support is #debian-next, and xfce is most likely using pulse or pipewire (there is a transition going on) and not alsa directly, so I think you are trying to solve your issue incorrectly
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21:46<neal_>thanks somia. what's the best way forward?
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21:47<sussudio>jcbjoe2021: nope.
21:48<neal_>i have pulseaudio installed.
21:48<somiaj>if the xfce sound applet isn't working with pulseaudio, you could try pavucontrol, which is a DE indepdent tool
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21:48<somiaj>but you should also move testing support to #debian-next. There have been some issues with pulse/pipewire mixing recentally
21:49<neal_>pavucontrol is set correctly.
21:50<neal_>how do i move testing support to #debian-next?
21:51<somiaj>you /j #debian-next, maybe someone there can help, but my guess is there is some pulse/pipewire conflict
21:51<somiaj>I have heard a few others having issues with this transition
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21:53<neal_>excuse my ignorance. is #debian-next on hexchat. if not how do i find #debian-next?
21:54<dvs>/j #debian-next
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21:55<Sqrt{Not}>neal_, you probably need to register your nick with the nickserv, before you can join debian-next
21:56<Sqrt{Not}>(or if you have another nick that is already registered, use that one)
21:57<neal_>sqrt (not) is #debian-next a group on hexchat?
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21:58<Sqrt{Not}>it is a channel on IRC, the same thing as this channel
21:58<Sqrt{Not}>yes, it is accessible via hexchat
21:58<neal_>Thanks
21:58<knghtbrd>and on this network
21:59<somiaj>You have been told twice the exact command to type, '/j #debian-next'
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22:01<neal_>somia thank you. I have just found it. i am new to hexchat.
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23:53<tuxd3v>hello everyone
23:54<mason>tuxd3v: o/
23:54<tuxd3v>I need to know which mackage contains 'gallium/state_trackers/va/config.c' file
23:54<tuxd3v>hello mason :)
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23:55<tuxd3v>I have a patch for it: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/issues/1420
23:55<tuxd3v>I can't use VAAPI in obstudio to record my desktop
23:55<tuxd3v>so I endup doing it in CPU, but my cpu is weak :/
23:55<tuxd3v>so I wanted to have VAAPI :)
23:56<tuxd3v>I know that its working in debian unstable
23:56<tuxd3v>but I am in debian stable
23:56<sarnold>tuxd3v: source package mesa
23:56<mason>Ah, is there just the one? Hadn't gotten there yet.
23:57<sarnold>mason: well, mostly :) on my unpacked ubuntu sources: https://termbin.com/l3vbi
23:58<mason>!ubuntu
23:58<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on irc.libera.chat instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
23:58*mason snickers.
23:59<sussudio>,file gallium/state_trackers/va/config.c
23:59<judd>No packages in bullseye/amd64 were found with that file.
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