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---Logopened Thu Dec 09 00:00:03 2021
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00:00<mason>sussudio: I tried apt-file, but not sure if it does source.
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00:06<tuxd3v>sarnold, it seems you were right..
00:06<tuxd3v>Just patches mesa to give me what I want, and not what she want :)
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00:06<tuxd3v>now, I need to build the package
00:08<tuxd3v>sh*t he is telling me that he needs more than 750MB of dependencies to build ... :/
00:09<tuxd3v>I just want VAAPI working :/
00:09<tuxd3v>in deb stable
00:12<sarnold>tuxd3v: heh, yeah. if you don't have that kind of bandwidth, you could try building on suse's OBS
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00:13<tuxd3v>it is doing some magic.. the guy just said that he found ninja
00:14<tuxd3v>for a moment, I even tought that he had found me, but later I inderstood that he was talking about the ninja building python tool :D
00:17<sarnold>hehe :)
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00:21<tuxd3v>its building, but I don't really know the quality of the stack that will come out of this..
00:21<tuxd3v>I justwanted a ordinary thing..
00:21<tuxd3v>vainfo reports:
00:22<tuxd3v>https://paste.debian.net/1222678/
00:24<tuxd3v>and so I just wanted that, but it turns out that by some reason debian stack gets in the midle, and I have found a patch...however I don't really know its quality..I am trying to advertise support for packed headers
00:24<tuxd3v>to vaapi
00:24<tuxd3v>lets see hat comes out of this..
00:25<tuxd3v>but this is huge, and I wanted a instantaneous result..
00:25<tuxd3v>I checked the backports but no luck for a new mesa version..
00:25<tuxd3v>so I hacked the curent one :/
00:28<tuxd3v>is there any one that is using libh264_vaapi to record videos?
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00:42<tuxd3v>if I install packages by hand( dpkg ), it will substitute the current version installed right?
00:43<jm_>yes
00:43<tuxd3v>thanks :)
00:43<jm_>(apt does the same, it uses dpkg)
00:44<somiaj>apt will also resolve new dependencies if needed, which dpkg won't
00:44<jm_>but keep in mind that if your package version is the same, apt will install the one from repository so it makes sense to bump the version
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00:51<tuxd3v>warning: v4l2loopback not installed, virtual camera disabled
00:52<tuxd3v>does any one knows about a package to solve this?
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00:53<tuxd3v>my obs output now: https://paste.debian.net/1222679/
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00:57<sney>,i v4l2loopback-dkms
00:57<judd>Package v4l2loopback-dkms (kernel, optional) in bullseye/amd64: Source for the v4l2loopback driver (DKMS). Version: 0.12.5-1; Size: 35.4k; Installed: 112k; Homepage: https://github.com/umlaeute/v4l2loopback
00:57<sney>builds just like nvidia-driver or whatever. apt search
00:57<sney>though, this is just a warning, and depending on what you're using obs for, it may not be neccessary. up to you
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01:03<tuxd3v>sney, judd , many thanks
01:04<tuxd3v>I am indeed not using a camera, I am only recording my screen, but in the future maybe..
01:04<tuxd3v>there are people that put a small frame, bellow in the video with a camera, that seems a nice thing..
01:05<tuxd3v>but for now I am just rebuilding mesa, I have a better patch for it..lets see..
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01:07<tuxd3v>I receive a Encode Overload in obs panel, in the end of it.. :S
01:07<tuxd3v>lets see with next version of mesa..
01:09<tuxd3v>Video stopped, number of skipped frames due to encoding lag: 13142/13278 (99,0%)
01:11<tuxd3v>my graphics card is only using 10% of its resources while recording, so its not there..
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03:11<tuxd3v>sarnold, sney,judd,mason, I managed todo it O.O
03:11<tuxd3v>now there are other problems.. like horrific quality on the video
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03:12<tuxd3v>I needed to restart my machine, to be able to use completly new compiled RadeonSI driver, because I susbstituted the files but still were open filedescriptors to the other and also the stack in memory was the old one..
03:13<tuxd3v>I worked a bit more the patch..
03:13<tuxd3v>is anyone prepered to see my horrible image quality?
03:13<tuxd3v>:)
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03:13<tuxd3v>at least you can see I am at 17% cpu usage :)
03:15<tuxd3v>please don't be strange because of the voice, because I am trying to not talk laud on purpose 7AM here.. I passed the nigh compiling stuff.
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03:33<tuxd3v>the video quality is horrible :(
03:34<tuxd3v>and continues horrible
03:34<tuxd3v>I mean, the recorded one..
03:34<tuxd3v>I changed bitrate to 5000
03:34<tuxd3v>and still
03:34<tuxd3v>quality is the same mess
03:35<tuxd3v>but it now with the pach on RadeonSI doesn't crash
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03:35<tuxd3v>also cpu usage is now at ~17-18%
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03:46<void>hi
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03:54<tuxd3v>https://embed.api.video/vod/viZUgwwNjZpiMF5yn2cxN5Y
03:54<xabaras414n>hello, is there a reason why tpm-tools, opencryptoki and related dependency packages seem to be missing only from the buster armhf packages repo?
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04:00<tarzeau>xabaras414n: they did not build back then .. upgrade to bullseye to get it for armhf
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04:02<xabaras414n>tarzeau: oh, that's unfortunate... thanks for the info. I cannot upgrade the system to bullseye atm, so I'll have to do it another way
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04:12<anjannath>Hi all i have been trying to build a simple container using podman installed using the official package, but the container doesn't get network access to pull in packages..
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04:14<tuxd3v>sarnold, sney,judd,mason, right now, I am starting to think that my system has some problem because looking at the video in browser:
04:14<tuxd3v>https://embed.api.video/vod/viZUgwwNjZpiMF5yn2cxN5Y
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04:15<tuxd3v>is not so bad as it is in my desktop playing it with vlc
04:16<tuxd3v>I had a problem with vaapi, that was solved with a patch, but after that, the quality is still very bad with lines missing in the video..the uploaded video doesn't show that, I don't know what changed..
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04:17<anjannath>Hi all i have been trying to build a simple container using podman installed using the official package, but the container doesn't get network access to pull in packages.. Here's the podman error and the Dockerfile: https://paste.debian.net/1222698/
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05:05<tuxd3v>anjan == anjannath ?
05:05<tuxd3v>you are trying to run a complete OS fedora above debian in a container?
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05:09<anjannath>tuxd3v: that's not my nick, just anjannath and anjannath[m]
05:10<anjannath>tuxd3v: kinda, this was just a test, ultimately am going install some packages, and build some application inside the container, the issue istthe container is not able to resolve anything
05:11<tuxd3v>the resolver insider the container needs to point to your name-server no?
05:11<anjannath>yes, resolve.conf inside the conatiner matches with the hosts resolv.conf
05:12<anjannath>if you see the error in the paster, it mention about not being able to call `getaddrinfo()` might it be blocked by some capability not enabled?
05:13<anjannath>`[getaddrinfo() thread failed to start]` full logs: https://paste.debian.net/1222698/
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05:18<tuxd3v>maybe you need bind9-dnsutils, on the container?
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05:24<anjannath>are you sure? the container is just trying to resolve names, isn't this package only needed if you are setting up a DNS server?
05:24<anjannath>aha, found this interesting bug report https://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org/msg1822708.html
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05:28<anjannath>Okay, for now i can use a older fedora image, or download the packages linked in that bug thread, but wonder when the fixed pacakge will land for bullseye tuxd3v any ideas?
05:31<tuxd3v>they have their a workaround for it..
05:31<tuxd3v>podman run --security-opt seccomp=/path/to/default.json ...
05:31<tuxd3v>good catch
05:31<tuxd3v>:)
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05:34<anjannath>tuxd3v: well, am just going to use fedora:34 image, don't want to mess with seccomp profiles (don't really know it), but was wondering when the updated/fixed package from siretart/Reinhard will be available in the repos
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05:37<tuxd3v>anjannath, I don't know the answer to that, you are asking to the guy that just passed the entire night, patching and compiling the entire mesa stack, just to have vaapi aceleration for video encoding :)
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05:43<anjannath>tuxd3v: Wow, sounds fun! apologies for repeating the question
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05:44<tuxd3v>no problem you are welcomed :)
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05:54<rooftopjoe>i'm a bit confused. i have a fresh debian install. when i do "su -l" followed by "adduser rooftopjoe sudo" it does say that rooftopjoe already belongs to that group. however, when i run "groups" as rooftopjoe i don't see myself there nor can i use sudo
05:55<umlaeute>rooftopjoe: log out and log in again?
05:55<rooftopjoe>i tried that --- but maybe the gnome session is different?
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05:56<umlaeute>or try 'newgrp rooftopjoe'
05:56<rooftopjoe>what does that do?
05:56<rooftopjoe>creates a new group with my name alone?
05:57<umlaeute>'man newgrp'
05:57<umlaeute>and of course it should read 'newgrp sudo'
05:58<rooftopjoe>alright, that did it. thank you
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08:36<wwallace>Hello how can i fix this error please? running bullseye:
08:36<wwallace> /usr/lib/vmware/view/bin/vmware-view: error while loading shared libraries: libudev.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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08:38<Sqrt{Not}>wwallace, that file is in package libudev0
08:38<jm_>does the obvious - install libudev0 package - not help?
08:39<wwallace>Thanks installing...
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08:40<wwallace>E: Unable to locate package libudev0
08:40<jm_>!bat
08:40<dpkg>[Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
08:42<wwallace>https://paste.debian.net/1222743/
08:43<conected>how do i check pcie link speed on linux?
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08:43<jm_><try libudev1 package for buster
08:43<tarzeau>conected: what is connected there? a disk?
08:43<conected>gfxcard
08:44<tarzeau>try reading/writing bytes to its memory? and count them per time?
08:44<wwallace>Thanks jm_
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08:45<jm_>np
08:46<wwallace>https://paste.debian.net/1222747/
08:47<jm_>ahh sorry, my bad, it wants libudev.so.0, not .1
08:48<jm_>I don't see libudev.so.0 in buster
08:48<conected> pci 0000:01:00.0: 4.000 Gb/s available PCIe bandwidth, limited by 2.5 GT/s PCIe x2 link at 0000:00:02.0 (capable of 32.000 Gb/s with 2.5 GT/s PCIe x16 link)
08:48<conected>PCIe x2 link should be PCIe x16
08:49<conected>this is utterly unacceptable
08:52<wwallace>anyway to install it from somewhere jm_?
08:52<jm_>wwallace: don't think so - why can't you upgrade to bullseye?
08:52<Sqrt{Not}>wwallace, you said you are running bullseye
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08:53<wwallace>ughhh sorry bullseye is my other machine my bad.
08:54<wwallace>how to upgrade to bullseye from buster?
08:54<Sqrt{Not}>%buster->bullseye
08:54<jm_>bullseye release notes explain that -- https://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/
08:54<Sqrt{Not}>dpkg, buster->bullseye
08:54<dpkg>Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of <release notes> https://deb.li/39cyD . TL;DR: In /etc/apt/sources.list change "buster" to "bullseye", fix the line for security updates (see <bullseye-security>), remove stable-specific lines like buster-backports. apt update && apt upgrade --no-new-pkgs && apt full-upgrade. 3rd party repos like <dmo> cause problems with upgrades. If working over ssh, upgrade ssh first, see <bullseye ssh upgrade>.
08:54<wwallace>Thanks
08:55<jm_>obviously read the one for your architecture
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08:56<wwallace>Thank you will read.
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08:57<conected>how do i check pcie link speed on linux?
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10:02<wwallace>Update I installed bullseye not the vmware program works, thank you all.
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10:03<Sqrt{Not}>wwallace, good job :) thanks for letting us know
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10:07<wwallace>Now the vmware works.
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10:47<gulamtcho>hi folks!
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11:24<knghtbrd>tip for fellow cave dwellers: atril (MATE's answer to evince) has a color invert mode
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11:28<knghtbrd>It's otherwise a non-headerbar app that functions just about the same. Now if it had markup tools similar to okular and flameshot …
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11:29<knghtbrd>flameshot's markup is soooo useful for tech support
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11:48<enigma9o7[m]>I was trying to use paste.debian.net to share a log, and it tells me "Could not add your entry to the paste database:
11:48<enigma9o7[m]>do not spam" whenever I try to submit it.... any ideas why?
11:48<enigma9o7[m]>I can use another paste site, just find it odd, what could possibly cause that
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11:52<somiaj>enigma9o7[m]: maybe there is something inside the log triggering that spam decection, or maybe your ip (you using tor or some proxy)?
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11:52<somiaj>But you may have to contact the site owner for details. But in the past spammers have used that site, so there is some spam filters in place
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11:54<mason>enigma9o7[m]: there's always cat thing | nc termbin.com 9999
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11:55<channoti>Hi, I got an issue with {numpy,scipy,matplotlib}-doc, with the common denominator being a js file provided by sphinx. Should I assign the bug to sphinx? How do I link the bug to the other packages?
11:56<enigma9o7[m]>Yeah I used an other distros paste already, like i said mainly curiousity. Not my ip, as typinga sentance in there works... just doesnt like when i paste the strace log into it
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12:09<bremner>there is size limit
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12:12<bremner>channoti: file it on the package providing the file. You can use "affects" to note if affects other packages.
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12:34<user777>my cock
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12:36<knghtbrd>this is why we can't have nice things.
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12:54<r4fkramer>Hi all, please, is there any application through command line in debian repository that can open .epub formats ? I'd like to use it (if exists) instead of calibre
12:55<Habbie>r4fkramer, pandoc perhaps?
12:56<r4fkramer>Hi Habbie, fine ! Let me test it now.
12:56<bremner>r4fkramer: what are you hoping for in terms of display, in a termal or x11?
12:56<bremner>(or wayland)
12:57<bremner>mupdf can read epub, but it needs an X11 display afaik
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12:57<omegatron>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPUB#Software might help
12:58<r4fkramer>Hi bremner, nice to see you again :) Well, x11 in my case
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12:58<r4fkramer>omegatron, thank you for information ! I'll check it now
12:58<bremner>ok, then try mupdf, it's not bad, very lightweight
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12:59<r4fkramer>Fine bremner, is that lighter than pandoc ?
13:00<bremner>a bit. But the main point is that pandoc does not display, only convert
13:01<r4fkramer>I see, mupdf name suggests a direct relation for use in .pdf formats. So, if it is able to open .epub formats, that is good and enough for me.
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13:10<r4fkramer>bremner mupdf opened the epub doc here. But the font is very small, the screen dimension is small, with a lot of space left.
13:10<r4fkramer>I don't know how to set this up yet - I'm looking at the man page but I still can't figure it out.
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13:10<bremner>yes, the initial scaling is not great. + zooms
13:10<knghtbrd>oh neat, atril reads epub
13:10<knghtbrd>which means evince will too
13:11<bremner>evince claims not to
13:11<knghtbrd>oh?
13:11<jb0IEUQ5aTx>how does one recursively compare 2 directories (for example 'diff --recursive') without actually comparing file contents but only comparing file-timestamps and file-sizes (so that the comparison is much faster)?
13:11<knghtbrd>indeed it won't
13:12<knghtbrd>right, opening epub would be a "feature" and it's gnome
13:12<knghtbrd>atril ftw
13:12<enigma9o7[m]>yeah i think evince doesnt
13:12<enigma9o7[m]>i remember reading there was a fork of evince that read epub and thought, thats cool
13:12<bremner>r4fkramer: I often use "W" or "H" to fit the width or height of the window
13:12<enigma9o7[m]>maybe it was atril, i cant remember what it was
13:12<enigma9o7[m]>i think it was whatever mint uses
13:12<knghtbrd>OH! And cave dweller button works in atril by applying a dark mode stylesheet to the epub rather than filtering
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13:12<knghtbrd>this makes fonts sans-serif
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13:13<omegatron>jb0IEUQ5aTx: use 'find' to generate the data you described for each directory, put it into two files and compare those files ..
13:14<r4fkramer>Fine bremner, I gonna aply these commands to figure out. Thanks for attention and Great Support !
13:14<omegatron>but please note, that this is no real "file" comparison but rather a "filesystem state" comparison
13:14<redbrass>I want to create a USB image that installs my debootstrap filesystem onto a device. I think I'll have to setup networking and video card support though as part of the installer. Any tips on how to determine what hardware is available at boot time and install appropriate drivers/modules?
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13:15<jb0IEUQ5aTx>omegatron : thanks... will write a small script to do that, but wish GNU diff had that functionality
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13:16<knghtbrd>redbrass: when I did a debootstrap installation, I just set up a CLI system and did the hardware/X/everything install after the fact
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13:16<Habbie>jb0IEUQ5aTx, rsync -nv plus various other flags might very quickly generate exactly the file listing you need
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13:17<knghtbrd>redbrass: that said, you might want to have a look at the source to inxi (since it's a script) and see how it checks all the things.
13:18<redbrass>knghtbrd: my goal is to do a personalized distro that has all my preferences installed whenever I change out my hardware. (KDE, Chrome, VSCode, etc.)
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13:18<redbrass>thanks for the tip on inxi - That hadn't come up in my search yet.
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13:27<redbrass>knghtbrd: ugh. inxi is a perl script. Means I'll spend a fair bit more time trying to interpret the script - I don't know perl. BUT, it is still the best path I have thus far. :)
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13:31<knghtbrd>redbrass: it's perl, but it's not AWFUL perl
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13:31<knghtbrd>I don't know perl either and I was able to make sense of it
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13:33<g00se>Dist upgrading over ssh seems to have got problematic
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13:34<knghtbrd>did it restart opensshd on you?
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13:37<g00se>I don't know what happened. I've done a couple recently. The last time, it started changing the perms/owner of /, which led to all sorts of problems
13:38<g00se>This time, it's just thoroughly borked and won't even come up with a desktop
13:39<g00se>I checked the journal by chrooting with a live distro and there seem to be lots of systemd errors
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13:40<knghtbrd>that sounds like a bigger problem than doing it by ssh. NOTHING should be changing owner of /
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13:41<g00se>It took an age with the rpc bind on boot and eventually came up without a desktop. Wouldn't allow me to ssh in. I'm going to restore the backed up buster partition and do it again, without ssh. Directly on the box
13:41<knghtbrd>are there any external packages on the system?
13:43<g00se>Yes, there are actually. Stuff like teams and zoom
13:44<knghtbrd>I sort of recommend flatpak for zoom
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13:45<g00se>Ah OK thanks. Haven't heard of that. Will look into it. But external packages surely shouldn't bork the core system
13:45<knghtbrd>"shouldn't"
13:46<knghtbrd>every package has root on your box
13:46<knghtbrd>it can do anything, change anything
13:46<knghtbrd>when you find out what's changing your permissions and ownership of /, SCREAM BLOODY MURDER at them. That should never have happened.
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13:47<knghtbrd>but also … investigate sandboxes. The whole point of a sandbox environment like flatpak is that apps in them can't do stuff like that
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13:48<g00se>Right
13:49<g00se>A quicker fix could be to remove teams and zoom and reinstall after dist upgrade perhaps
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13:51<knghtbrd>don't know they're the problem yet
13:52<bremner>fwiw, removing third party repos is part of the standard release upgrade instructions
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13:53<bremner>(third party repos and packages)
13:53<g00se>Right
13:54<knghtbrd>bremner: another thing to like about sandboxed 3rd party stuff. No need to remove it
13:54<bremner>unfortunately removing a package does not necessarily reverse any breakage it caused
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13:56<g00se>Fortunately I copied the buster partition and am restoring with ocs-sr
13:58<g00se>I've found that 3rd party apps don't play nicely with my apt-cacher-ng
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14:35<jb0IEUQ5aTx>is it possible to prepend every line output to standard-output/standard-error (from every process) of a terminal with a timestamp such as: "2021-12-09_21:25:19 : " ?
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14:39<wnklmnn>i think you can use awk for that.
14:39<xcc7>which packages would i need to open RAR archive data, v5? i am currently able to open rar files already, but if their size exceeds some amount like 2 GB, it will fail and Ark (my archive manager) shows the size in "EiB" units. whenevr i see that unit and not MB/GB i know it will not work to extract
14:41<jmcnaught>xcc7: did you try the unrar package from non-free (as opposed to the unrar-free package installed by default)?
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14:43<xcc7>according to apt-cache policy i have neither of those installed
14:43<xcc7>i'll try those
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14:46<xcc7>when i installed unrar-free, i stopped being able to open rar files at all. even what worked before didn't. unrar works though. thanks jmcnaught
14:48*mason reads unrar-free as free-of-unrar in this situation.
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14:57<spawacz>Is it possible to have a local /proc inside chroot without mounting host's one?
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15:00<bremner>I don't think so
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15:02<bremner>I mean, you can mount it directly with mount -t proc, you don't need to bind mount it
15:02<somiaj>spawacz: Though what do you expect to gain form this, this is just a filesystem link to the kernel, so what would a local 'proc' be?
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15:08<imMute>my guess is only show the processes from the current PID namespace?
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15:22<spawacz>yes that's what i meant
15:22<spawacz>process separation
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15:23<somiaj>I don't think the linux kernel allows this
15:24<somiaj>does systemd's containers work better for this?
15:24<spawacz>i dont know much about these (yet)
15:24<somiaj>but chroots aren't considered good jails in general and probably shoudln't be used where you actually need that kind of seperation
15:24<spawacz>true
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15:31<kritzefitz>spawacz: if you want separated views of /proc you probably want some container solution such as docker or systemd containers that uses process namespaces.
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15:34<spawacz>im reading on LXD, am I in right place?
15:34<mason>spawacz: Probably Libera/#ubuntu-server is better
15:35<mason>spawacz: lxc for Debian
15:35<spawacz>it's ubuntu specific?
15:35<mason>spawacz: There are ports of it IIRC, but mostly.
15:35<somiaj>yea, lxc could work, though I've heard good things about systemd containers, just haven't used them. Might be a simplier solution than lxc
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15:36<mason>lxc has the advantage of being more portable, but that might not matter here
15:36<jmcnaught>systemd-nspawn is the name for the containers command, or machinectl: https://wiki.debian.org/nspawn
15:37<BlackDragon42>Hello.
15:37<Sqrt{Not}>Hi BlackDragon42
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15:41<xcc7>what's the equivalent of the older "ifconfig X up" in debian 11?
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15:43<spawacz>ip link set up dev eth0?
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15:43<xcc7>spawacz: thanks
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15:48<BlackDragon42>Hello.
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15:49<spawacz>jmcnaught: Everything works until "Booting a Container" Step. By the way a lot of these teps marked as $ should really be #, right? I had to sudo all the way through
15:50<BlackDragon42>If you set no root logins, then I think you would.
15:50<spawacz>Dec 09 20:50:15 foobarbaz systemd-nspawn[14658]: No image for machine 'debian'.
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15:51<BlackDragon42>You could sudo and string some commands together.
15:52<jmcnaught>spawacz: do you have a /var/lib/machines/debian created by debootstrap?
15:52<spawacz>i changed to path to where i store my chroots/vms (somewhere in srv)
15:52<spawacz>is that a problem?
15:52<spawacz>let me try again with the default path inside /var
15:53<jmcnaught>spawacz: you can use an arbitrary path but if you use --machine then it looks in /var/lib/machines/
15:53<spawacz>ahhh
15:53<spawacz>I'll stick with the /var/lib/machines then
15:54<jmcnaught>spawacz: I mount a btrfs volume at /var/lib/machines, machinectl has some basic btrfs features
15:54<jmcnaught>spawacz: but to be honest it's been a while since I really used systemd-nspawn/machinectl very much
15:55<spawacz>thanks, it works now
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15:56<jmcnaught>spawacz: note that systemctl and journalctl both have -M/--machine=
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16:07<spawacz>I got it up and running. It rocks! :)
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18:45<tuxd3v>hello guys I patched my mesa-20.3.5, to advertize packed headers for vaapi, see issue:https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/-/issues/3524
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18:47<tuxd3v>it just need a patch for: src/gallium/frontends/va/config.c
18:47<tuxd3v>its in the issue above..
18:48<tuxd3v>its working correctly,I mean, no aplication crashing,
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18:48<tuxd3v>now the problem is, I checked the build-dep for mesa
18:48<tuxd3v>and its bigger than 750MB
18:49<tuxd3v>I want to remove those files, that I installed, but I forgot to copy, the output, and so I don't know what dependencies I need now..
18:49<tuxd3v>In the meantime I also rebooted to boot with newly compiled userspace driver
18:50<sarnold>tuxd3v: /var/log/apt/history.log perhaps?
18:50<tuxd3v>in other words: 'apt-get build-dep mesa' returns empty :(
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18:51<tuxd3v>sarnold, you saved my day :)
18:51<tuxd3v>many thanks
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18:54<tuxd3v>this is a small fraction of them:
18:54<tuxd3v>lib32stdc++6:amd64 (10.2.1-6, automatic), libdrm-dev:amd64 (2.4.104-1), libwayland-egl-backend-dev:amd64 (1.18.0-2~exp1.1)
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18:54<tuxd3v>does you understanbd what means 'automatic'?
18:55<tuxd3v>understand*
18:55<sarnold>I don't; I think it means "installed to satisfy a dependency" but that's a guess
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20:30<mason>Yeah, it's automatic vs manual.
20:30<mason>Manual is anything you explicitly requested be installed. Automatic things are brought in as dependencies.
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20:31<sarnold>\o/
20:32<mason>(Trek was... okay.)
20:33<sarnold>trek sometimes is only okay. and that's okay. heh.
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20:48<tuxd3v>mason o/
20:49<tuxd3v>well I managed to purge 785Mb, which is not good because all dependencies to build mesa were around ~750MB..which means something got out too :D
20:49<sarnold>hah
20:49<sarnold>honestly 35megs of slop in ~800 megs of packages might just be 'rounding error' or slop or something
20:49<tuxd3v>I discovered that it purged also mesa-opencl-icd
20:49<tuxd3v>I reinstalled it later
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20:50<tuxd3v>yeah it could be
20:50<tuxd3v>now apt-get is messing big with me..
20:51<tuxd3v>he just wants to "upgrade" 'libegl-mesa0 libglx-mesa0 mesa-va-drivers mesa-vdpau-drivers mesa-vulkan-drivers'
20:51<tuxd3v>I built them yesterday :D
20:51<sarnold>hmmmmmmm :)
20:52<tuxd3v>hehehe
20:52<tuxd3v>it could be that some packages were having patchs in debian, and are indeed availlable
20:52<tuxd3v>or it could be that he doesn't like my self build debian packages
20:53<tuxd3v>:D
20:53<tuxd3v>I have 1 way to figure it out :)
20:53<tuxd3v>I still own my packages
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20:58<tuxd3v>with the upgraded packages that debian want to impose me, I still get the same problem I had before..
20:58<tuxd3v>so I will install mine :)
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20:58<sarnold>what version number did you give your new packages?
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21:11<tuxd3v>sarnold, _20.3.5-1_amd64
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21:12<tuxd3v>which is the one that it tried to install
21:13<tuxd3v>maybe I don't have correct checksums for the packages or something like that..
21:13<tuxd3v>maybe its the signatures of the packages..
21:14<tuxd3v>https://paste.debian.net/1222851/
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21:20<sarnold>tuxd3v: apt doesn't really care about checksums or signatures of already-installed packages; it just offers to upgrade packages when there's higher version numbers available from a repository (modulo pinning, I'm afraid I don't understand the pinning very well)
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21:32<tuxd3v>*** 20.3.5-1 100
21:32<tuxd3v> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
21:32<tuxd3v>it has a lower priority on /var status
21:33<tuxd3v>but the information seems the same installed by apt or by hand via dpkg
21:33<tuxd3v>I installed lots of self made packages yesterday
21:34<tuxd3v>and it only complains with this ones
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21:34<tuxd3v>probably because the package size is diferent?
21:34<tuxd3v>:)
21:35<mason>tuxd3v: Something to look up is epoch. You can use a higher epoch to cause your packages to be preferred without having to worry about being superceded, to some extent.
21:35<mason>https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/96599/understanding-debian-dpkg-package-version-numbers for instance
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21:45<sarnold>*nod*, epoch would be one way to make sure yours never get replaced by debian's -- but maybe it'd be best if they *were* replaced by debian's, at some point in the future, when debian's packages get the feature you need -- and using a 'normal' version number might let that happen
21:46<mason>sarnold: So, when that time comes you can explicate versions.
21:47<mason>sarnold: apt install `apt-cache madison foo | awk '{print $1 "=" $3}'`
21:48<mason>(potentially for lots of files, although it will I believe leave 'em marked as manual.)
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21:56<tuxd3v>ho, I think I understood it :)
21:57<tuxd3v>if you install manually a package it appears in Policy like this:
21:57<tuxd3v> *** 20.3.5-1 100
21:57<tuxd3v> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
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21:58<tuxd3v>if you install by package manager, from repos, it will appear like this:
21:58<tuxd3v> *** 20.3.5-1 500
21:58<tuxd3v> 500 http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye/main amd64 Packages
21:58<tuxd3v>so he has 2 versions he has a big priority on repo versions ( 500 )
21:59<tuxd3v>and he knows when a package is installed manually( priority 100 )
21:59<tuxd3v>to you guys see the '***' above?
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21:59<tuxd3v>'apt-cache policy libegl-mesa0 libglx-mesa0 mesa-va-drivers mesa-vdpau-drivers mesa-vulkan-drivers'
22:01<tuxd3v>he should mark this on installation
22:01<tuxd3v>even if the packages are indeed the same
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22:03<tuxd3v>you can see that in my previous policy post, all packets are from locally installed: https://paste.debian.net/1222851/
22:04<tuxd3v>so he finds a version in the repository and will try to replace the local one..at least it the idea that I get now :)
22:05<tuxd3v>the three asterisk chars, mark the place were the package come from..
22:05<tuxd3v>I believe is based on that
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22:06<sarnold>tuxd3v: the thing is, though, I expected that once the package was installed, it wouldn't matter if they came from the local source "100" or the remote repository "500", I figured it'd be left alone from then on
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22:07<tuxd3v>yeah, that would be the Ideal solution indeed
22:07<tuxd3v>if you install something locally is exactly because you need too :)
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23:21<rican-linux__>teamview is giving me a blank screen when connecting to a debian 11 laptop running gnome. How do I disable wayland?
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23:30<somiaj>you'll have to select either legacy or xorg when you login to gnome from gdm
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