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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-12-12

---Logopened Sun Dec 12 00:00:42 2021
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01:42<rishabh>hi folks, i had a question :
01:44<rishabh>if i have installed debian without the non free firmware and something isn't working which works if i install from the non free ISO then how can i get all those non free firmwares which debian includes in the non free ISOs in a already installed system
01:45<somiaj>they are all part of firmware-foo packages in debian non-free
01:45<somiaj>the biggest issue is most wifi will need non-free firmware, so installing the packages without an alternative network connection can take a little extra work
01:45<somiaj>but you can just install the firmware you need after the install
01:46<rishabh>somiaj : oh i see.
01:46<rishabh>somiaj : yes mine is a realtek 8818eu adapter and needs non free firmware
01:47<somiaj>for realtek wifi, the package name is firmware-realtek. You can download it from packages.debian.org and copy it over if you don't have a network connection
01:49<rishabh>somiaj : thank you, i can do usb tethering to install it 🤞
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05:26<lyknode>do we have a memorable short link (deb.li?) to use with curl to fetch the latest netinstall?
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08:08<srged0>w
08:10<srged0>why do i have no icon for spotify,the tab in the taskbar i mean
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11:31<moozer>I am making Sd cards for my raspberries, and I want them to have hostnames automatically generated on first boot. I am not finding good resources anywhere. Do you have suggestions where I should go look?
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11:59<samfire>Hello
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12:01<Sqrt{Not}>hi samfire
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12:02<discovered>hi
12:02<samfire>hello all
12:02<discovered>Can read me?
12:03<samfire>what do you mean about that
12:03<Sqrt{Not}>discovered, yes, we see you
12:03<discovered>:)
12:03<samfire>;)
12:04<Sqrt{Not}>this is the debian support channel. if anyone is "new" to IRC, I can show you some resources
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12:05<samfire>up to you
12:05<samfire>does anyone know the python3 install command in the terminal
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12:06<samfire>i have Linux experience i just don't know the python command
12:06<Sqrt{Not}>samfire, I think this should work: sudo apt install python3
12:08<samfire>no
12:09<Sqrt{Not}>samfire, why not? what do you see when you try that?
12:09<grove>What do you mean by "no"?
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12:10<Sqrt{Not}>samfire, which version of debian are you running?
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12:10<samfire>10 latest
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12:12<SanchoPiensa>hey, guys!
12:13<SanchoPiensa>what was the link on how to cp an iso file to a usb stick., please?
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12:13<jkc>cp /path/to/file.iso /dev/sdx
12:13<jkc>That's it.
12:13<jmcnaught>https://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#write-usb
12:13<jkc>samfire: and python3 is most certainly the package in question.
12:13<samfire>yeah it is
12:13<jkc>samfire: Okay, so please clarify the issue you're having.
12:14<samfire>i can't get python3 on Debian 10
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12:15<Sqrt{Not}>what is stopping you?
12:15<jkc>So... install the python3 package.
12:16<jkc>Which should already be installed in at least some minimal form. IIRC, its used during boot.
12:17<samfire>okay
12:17<jkc>apt install python3
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12:20<samfire>just apt
12:21<jkc>Or sudo apt, if that's how you run privileged commands.
12:21<mosasaur>one can't just run "python" anymore I think, it has to be "python3" or whatever version, this confuses many scripts with bangs in them
12:22<Suffer>I just installed debian testing and nvidia driver. But the compressor tool window not correctly sized! I don't know if i need to configure anything manually Screenshot: https://i.ibb.co/KDZpdXs/s1.png
12:22<samfire>i did apt and i got this error No command 'apt' found, did you mean:
12:22<samfire> Command 'aptd' from package 'aptdaemon' (main)
12:22<samfire> Command 'xapt' from package 'xapt' (universe)
12:22<samfire> Command 'opt' from package 'llvm' (universe)
12:22<samfire> Command 'apm' from package 'apmd' (main)
12:22<bremner>for user scripts, there is python-is-python3. But I don't think samfire has explained themselves very well
12:22<samfire> Command 'atp' from package 'atp' (universe)
12:22-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*@2a02:c7f:1cf8:f200:458e:82:7d05:e36f] by debchange
12:22<bremner>welp.
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12:23<jkc>samfire: Ubuntu is not Debian.
12:23<somiaj_>samfire: don't spam the channel, also it appears you are running ubuntu not debian
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12:25<bremner>samfire: you will be able to talk again in 3 minutes.
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12:26<Sqrt{Not}>!ubuntu
12:26<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on irc.libera.chat instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
12:27<scorpion2185[m]>!welp
12:27<scorpion2185[m]>is there some alarm sound in some package? so that I can use it cause of license
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12:29<samfire>sorry
12:29<chrisssssssss>Hi I am trying to install debian on the pine rockpro64. I created a sdcard image and it boots into the debian installer. But only when I disconnect the RXD line from the serial port. Connecting it when the installer asks me to provide a language does not help. I can use the u-boot shell just fine.
12:29<samfire>i thought this was ubuntu sorry
12:30<Sqrt{Not}>!ubuntuirc
12:30<dpkg>This is not the Ubuntu help channel. Please do /server irc.libera.chat and then /join #ubuntu. If you are using HexChat, you can right-click the following link and choose connect. irc://irc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu
12:30<somiaj_>ubuntu doesn't modify their irc clients to auto join their channel (unforuntally)
12:30<somiaj_>but now you know, and in the future don't paste to irc but use a pastebin
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12:30<grove>scorpion2185[m]: It varies quite a lot what people find to be "alarm" sounds, but sound-theme-freedesktop puts a lot of files into /usr/share/sounds. pidgin-data puts a file there called alert.wav
12:33<grove>scorpion2185[m]: But apart fro that, it's not clear what you want to do
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12:34*scorpion2185[m] uploaded an audio file: (65KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/zhjleonnrmXvbtxRoxUEGbgO/alarm.wav >
12:34<scorpion2185[m]>i am checking freedesktop sounds, I search an alarm like this:
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12:35<scorpion2185[m]>if I use one of those it may be confusing because they are used for events
12:35<bremner>you know that IRC doesn't have sounds, right?
12:36<scorpion2185[m]>can you see the link of the file? as for images
12:37<bremner>nope.
12:37<scorpion2185[m]>I know that you can for images
12:37<bremner>*shrug*
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12:38<scorpion2185[m]>you see some matrix link
12:38<bremner>not in your most recent messages, no.
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12:39*scorpion2185[m] uploaded an image: (18KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/kFSPVjQsuQNRvLviXTZTgpGr/2021-12-06_09-35-12.png >
12:40<scorpion2185[m]>how do I see what pkg installed a file?
12:40<bremner>dpkg -S file
12:40<dpkg>Package: file: Status: install ok installed
12:40<grove>Or `dlocate <file>`
12:42<grove>(That might require a database, so it might not give any results right after installation, until that database is build)
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12:44<scorpion2185[m]>dpkg -S /etc/profile
12:44<scorpion2185[m]>dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /etc/profile
12:44<dpkg>Badgers ate my /etc/profile!
12:44<bremner>scorpion2185[m]: that's not a file, is it?
12:44<bremner>oh, sorry, it is
12:45<bremner>dpkg doesn't track things installed by maintainer scripts, unfortunately
12:45<dpkg>bremner: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
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12:47<bremner>scorpion2185[m]: why do you want to know? it's installed by the base-files postinst
12:47<somiaj>config files are a bit different, some are managed by debconf and others are generated by scripts
12:48<scorpion2185[m]>is for open a bug cause of missing games profile
12:48<scorpion2185[m]>an I used it to find the pkg that installed sounds
12:49<somiaj>what do you mean by missing games profile?
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12:49<somiaj>also if you need to modify your shell use ~/.profile or ~/.bashrc appropertly
12:50<scorpion2185[m]>dlocate finds only `/etc/profile.d`
12:50<bremner>how many answers do you need? I already told you precisely how it is installed.
12:50<scorpion2185[m]>I can modify my shell but I think that is best to edit /etc/profile directly so I don't have to add the path , it is already there
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12:51<bremner>well, you have your unique take on the best way of doing things.
12:51<somiaj>no that is not best
12:51<scorpion2185[m]>bremner: i said that because maybe dlcoate was suppose to work
12:51<somiaj>scorpion2185[m]: what do you need to add to your shell and what game package are you talking about?
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12:52<scorpion2185[m]>I added it to /etc/profile:
12:53<scorpion2185[m]>` PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games"`
12:53<bremner>pretty sure such a global change will be rejected
12:53<bremner>nobody but you wants to play games as root
12:53<scorpion2185[m]>no it works, and what about fortunes? you need to specify full path
12:54<bremner>and changing root's path is very sensitive from a security point of view
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12:54<scorpion2185[m]>so maybe if someone hack the pc can play without typing full path and save some secs?
12:54<somiaj>I don't see what the issue is, /usr/local/games and /usr/games is in the $PATH by default. Adding sbin to your user $PATH is not standard, but if you want a custom $PATH use ~/.bashrc or ~/.profile
12:55<scorpion2185[m]>somiaj: root path is missing that
12:55<bremner>see what I wrote above...
12:55<somiaj>Well again /etc/profile is not for modifing roots path, it is reasonable to not have it there. If you want it there modify /root/.profile
12:55<bremner>good point
12:56<scorpion2185[m]>gtg now
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13:40<pietr>Hello, I just downloaded debian 11 oon a pc on which I had ubuntu before. Everything is perfect (installing the drivers) except for the bluetooth adapter, that I think is not recognised at all. Is there someone here who can help me?
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13:42<somiaj>pietr: it could be you need non-free firmware for the bluetooth chipset. You can use tools like lspci or lsusb to identify the chipset, lshw also works
13:42<somiaj>after that check if it needs firmware, another thing to try is 'dmesg | grep -i firmware' do you see any firmware not being loaded for the bluetooth device (might be linked with your wifi)
13:42<pietr>I thought that as well, but I enabled non free firmware
13:43<pietr>I can't really identify the chipset, one second and I send you the output
13:43<pietr>Thanks by the way
13:44<somiaj>Did it work in ubuntu? Do you know what kernel ubuntu was using?
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13:45<pietr>Yes it did work on ubuntu, with the last two releases
13:45<somiaj>hmm last two releases makes me think that a newer kernel won't help (bullseye runs 5.10 but you can get 5.14 from backports)
13:46<somiaj>but that is one thing you can try is the backported kernel
13:46<somiaj>I don't know enough about bluetooth devices to give more than generic info though
13:46<piripuz>It's pietr here as well
13:46<piripuz>Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0489:e036 Foxconn / Hon Hai Bluetooth USB Host Controller
13:46<piripuz> this from lsusb
13:47<piripuz>07:00.0 Network controller: Qualcomm Atheros AR9485 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)
13:47<piripuz> this in lspci
13:47<somiaj>well look at demsg do you see any issues with loading firmware?
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13:48<somiaj>that is an older usb bluetooth controler, so I doubt a newer kernel will help.
13:48<piripuz>[ 4.994191] usb 1-1.2: firmware: failed to load ar3k/AthrBT_0x01020200.dfu (-2)
13:48<piripuz>[ 4.995177] usb 1-1.2: Direct firmware load for ar3k/AthrBT_0x01020200.dfu failed with error -2
13:48<piripuz>Maybe these lines are interesting
13:49<piripuz>Otherwise I can send the whole output
13:49<piripuz>If it's better
13:49<somiaj>looks like you are missing the firmware-atheros package
13:49<somiaj>you might need to install that package from non-free
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13:49<piripuz>Ok I'm downloading it
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13:51<piripuz>That solved it thank you so much!
13:51<piripuz>It was easy I'm sorry
13:51<somiaj>yea common issue with debian, non-free firmware isn't installed by default, so if hardware works in another linux distro, it is either non-free firmware or needing a newer kernel
13:52<piripuz>Yes I had problems with the video card as well indeed
13:52<somiaj>what video card?
13:52<piripuz>an amd radeon
13:52<piripuz>But I solved it
13:52<somiaj>yea firmware-amd-graphics helps a ton
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13:58<piripuz>You were great by the way, bye!
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15:43<scorpion2185[m]>so who can I ask for /etc/profile ?
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15:45<petn-randall>scorpion2185[m]: Don't ask to ask, just ask.
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15:46<scorpion2185[m]>to open a bug for that file , what should I do?
15:47<guifipedro_>any neovim with debian stable? cannot make x11 clipboard work with it (but succeded with vim)
15:47<petn-randall>scorpion2185[m]: What bug do you have there?
15:48<scorpion2185[m]>root is missing games path
15:48<petn-randall>scorpion2185[m]: Yes, that deliberate.
15:48<petn-randall>*that is
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15:49<scorpion2185[m]>so if someone hacks the pc can't play without full path and loses more time?
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15:51<petn-randall>scorpion2185[m]: No, you don't need to be root for any games, that's why.
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15:54<scorpion2185[m]>that doesn't make sense, so what package is?
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15:56<scorpion2185[m]>For several reason you may be root and need to launch a game or fortune
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15:57<petn-randall>scorpion2185[m]: Then change it by hand? I'm 100% sure that the maintainer will close the bug report as invalid.
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15:57<scorpion2185[m]>I changed it, well I can try at least
15:58<scorpion2185[m]>to open a bug
15:58<aloo_shu>games? many packages, bsdgames perhaps. the default paths? could come from the shell packages, but maybe the shell init files like .bashrc are generated at installtime
15:59<scorpion2185[m]>I used to ad the path to file like .bashrc, then I added it to /etc/profile
15:59<petn-randall>scorpion2185[m]: I'd say `dpkg -S /etc/profile`, but apparently that file is generated during postinst and not shipped in a package.
15:59<scorpion2185[m]>so it is there no need to add it
15:59<scorpion2185[m]>yes that command doesn't work
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16:01<petn-randall>scorpion2185[m]: I guess you can go through all maintainer scripts in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ and check which package generates it.
16:01<somiaj>scorpion2185[m]: you were also answered and given a solution eariler. This doens't sound like a default debian would be intersted in, but you are free to configure your system like you prefer.
16:01<somiaj>petn-randall: they were already answered eariler, base-files creates it
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16:02<somiaj>anyways use /root/.profile instead of /etc/profile would be my suggestion
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16:02<petn-randall>Ah, I see.
16:02<scorpion2185[m]>somiaj you didn't answer well, bremner just said post script file
16:03<somiaj>which is the same thing petn-randall said, though they didn't know which package
16:03<scorpion2185[m]>he said to look the files so I can find it
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16:09<scorpion2185[m]>somiaj: right you are I missed bremner answer sorry
16:11<scorpion2185[m]>I thought that he said base files post script
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18:21<will0w>so the main reason to use LVM logical volumes is to be able to control size limits on virtual volumes? is there any other recommended approach to that besides LVM?
18:22<jkc>will0w: The main reason to use LVM is so that you can allocate space to partitions as needed without having to resize anything on disk.
18:23<will0w>jkc: right, but the reason for the partitioning behind it is for the purpose of being able to define limits on allocated space
18:23<jkc>Uh, no.
18:23<will0w>no?
18:24<jkc>The reason for partitioning is to be able to use a single disk for multiple filesystems. LVM gives you another method to do that without the drawbacks of using partitions directly.
18:24<will0w>why else you you want separate e.g. /var /home etc?
18:24<jkc>To be able to use different filesystems for each, to be able to differentiate for backup purposes, to be able to use external media, etc.
18:25<will0w>oh. my understanding was that an LVM physical volume was based on a single partition that's formatted with only one filesystem
18:25<jkc>That's exactly backwards.
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18:25<jkc>LVM can use one or more partitions to create logical devices, which are then formatted as whatever filesystem in the same manner a partition would be.
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18:26<will0w>ah, so you do pvcreate on an empy partition and then create filesystems on the logical volumes?
18:26<jkc>Correct.
18:27<will0w>so to set up lvm on an existing system - you would have to back up the system, create the pv and lv, then copy the system files back onto an lv?
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18:36<DPA>I'm trying to create a repo using a bash script I wrote. Apt doesn't complain, but it doesn't find any of the packages either. I must be missing something, could someone please check if I'm missing anything in my repo? http://repo.dpa.li/apt/dpa-image-builder/
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18:50<DPA>It only seams to download the InRelease file, but nothing else...
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18:52<DPA>Nevermind, I figured it out. I got the path in the Release file wrong, I need to make it relative to the current directory.
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21:38<Guest8332>hello
21:39<somiaj>hello
21:39<dvs>n
21:40<Guest8332>how is it going
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21:41<somiaj>This is a support channel for #debian, so we usually stick to talking about support. There are other social channels
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21:43<Guest8332>i have a question for my qubes os debian 10 template
21:43<Guest8332>i tried to use katoolin to install kali linux tools
21:43<Guest8332>but
21:44<Guest8332>it doesnt work and i keep getting errors
21:45<somiaj>we don't support debian derivatives here. Also in general one can't just mix .deb file from different distributions
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21:55<amcclure>/list
21:55<amcclure>oops
21:55<sussudio>!qubes
21:55*sussudio shrugs
21:57<somiaj>ssgelm: I couldn't find a factoid either, maybe someoene should create one
21:57<somiaj>arg sussudio ^^
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