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01:54<Knaxius>!sysctl
01:54<dpkg>sysctl.conf is a method of setting Linux kernel variables (such as those found in /proc/sys) early on in boot using sysctl(8). See the sysctl.conf man page for details; the procps init script applies settings from this file and files placed in the /etc/sysctl.d directory.
01:55<somiaj>Note you can also /msg dpkg sysctl
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01:58<Knaxius>i wanted to combine it with a question but now i forgot
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01:59<will0w>i'm trying to shrink a btrfs filesystem with lvreduce but finding almost no examples online
02:00<somiaj>I think you have to do this in two stages, lvreduce just changes the volume size, but you first have to shrink the filesystem
02:00<will0w>something like: lvreduce -L-2G /dev/mapper/lvmtest_vg-root
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02:01<will0w>ok, so i need something like btrfs filesystem resize -2G /
02:01<somiaj>So first use btrfs-utils (btrfs or btrfsctl) to shrink the file system. Once the file system is shrunk, you can then shrink the lv partition
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02:02<somiaj>and of course always backup before doing any of this
02:02<will0w>right on. just tried it. thanks.
02:03<will0w>so as long as the sizes match - in this case "2G" - it should be ok I hope
02:06<somiaj>In theory, I haven't done this, so unsure how to ensure they both shrink to leave the same part of the drive(s) untouched
02:07<somiaj>https://www.casesup.com/category/knowledgebase/howtos/how-to-shrink-an-lvm-volume-safely-on-linux -- that is for ext4, but the same idea should apply to any filesyste
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02:07<somiaj>it seems I missed a step. If you can shrink your filesystem more than you want to shrink the lvg (say 3G if you have the room), you can then grow the filesystem back to fit the full partition
02:08<somiaj>It could be if you try to do both at 2G, due to block size things might not line up correctly, so they seem to suggest initially making the file system smaller than you want, then grow it back to fit the partition
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02:09<will0w>that seems like a good idea. leave a little extra space
02:10<will0w>but i just tested the first way with only "2G" and it seems to have worked fine
02:11<somiaj>yea, I think that is just for saftey as if being too exact things might not line up appropertly
02:12<somiaj>and if you want to double check things, fsck the file system might also help
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02:13<will0w>btrfs filesystem resize -2.2G /; lvreduce -L -2G /dev/mapper/lvmtest_vg-root; btrfs filesystem resize max /
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02:15<will0w>btrfs filesystem resize -2200M /; lvreduce -L -2G /dev/mapper/lvmtest_vg-root; btrfs filesystem resize max /
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02:21<will0w>btrfs filesystem resize -2200M /; lvreduce -L -2G /dev/mapper/lvmtest_vg-root; btrfs filesystem resize max /; touch /forcefsck; reboot
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02:22<somiaj>though since you should be doing this from a live system, I'd just fsck on the live system vs have it do it at boot
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02:24<will0w>this machine is just a local test VM, but in the future they will be in data centers. i probably won't have LVM running on the VM's themselves, just on whatever directories on the host that are used for various services
02:25<will0w>deciding whether to use nfs or other system for VM access to storage
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02:44<_alexrelis_>Does anyone know how to rip DVD audio in GNU/Linux.
02:45<Knaxius>AlexanderS: the very easy way is k3b
02:45<will0w>ffmpeg
02:46<Knaxius>AlexanderS: sorry for the false alert
02:47<somiaj>Or mencoder, kinda depends on what they mean by DVD audio. But if they want just the audio track off the dvd, vs say if the dvd had audio tracks more like a cd, though those are rare
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02:50<_alexrelis_>somaj: I mean the obscure audiophile medium, DVD-A.
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02:51<_alexrelis_>I have a DVD-A with a high bitrate PCM version of an album in both stereo and surround that I want to rip to flac
02:51<_alexrelis_>somiaj: ***
02:52<somiaj>well k3b is kinda a gui front end to lots of things so it should work
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02:52<somiaj>if this is basically just an audio cd on dvd mendium, I wonder if cdparanoia will rip the audio tracks off into .wav formats you can then compress in to flac
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02:55<_alexrelis_>somiaj: It can't. The redbook audio CD specification requires 16 bit 44.1 Khz. The DVD I have has audio at a higher bitrate than redbook, so it wouldn't work.
03:00<_alexrelis_>I'm reading online and I think it's possible if I rip the .vob files from the DVD and then use ffmpeg to convert it all to .flac. Still figuring out how to go about that though. I started with Handbrake but it seems that software package doesn't let me disable video ripping.
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03:01<somiaj>you can probably avoid the ripping the vob files and just output the wave format to a file using a player that gives you the quality you want
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03:02<somiaj>as in there really is little difference from using a vob file or the dvd as the source
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03:09<_alexrelis_>No way, check this out: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Optical_disc_drive#DVD-Audio
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03:10<_alexrelis_>There's a program called Python audio tools that has exactly what I need. But I installed the Debian version of the package and it doesn't have the tool I need to rip the DVD. Only for CDs. Is this because of the watery legality of libdvdcss?
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03:15<somiaj>yea, seems like the manual pages for dvda2track and dvdainfo are in the package but the binaries are not (this to me is at least a bug of some sort, why supply manual pages for binaries that have been removed)
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03:17<somiaj>my guess is you are right. Most likely the build scripts detect that libdvdcss is missing and thus don't build the various dvd scripts. Because I don't see anything explict in the debian/rules removing them.
03:17<somiaj>You may have to install the dev files for libdvdcss and then rebuild teh package if you need those binaries
03:18<somiaj>actually I don't see any dependency on libdvdcss in the upstream source, just libdvd-audio
03:19<somiaj>which isn't in debian.
03:20<somiaj>_alexrelis_: so yea, looks like you have to locally install libdvd-audio and then rebuild that package to get the dvda2track binary
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04:08<rander2>hello
04:09<somiaj>greetings
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04:14<rander2>gparted dont recognize disk partition, i have many partition , but it tell me all disk is zfs
04:14<rander2>I'm using deb10
04:14<jm_>what does kernel say then? cat /proc/partitions
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04:15<rander2>4 partition
04:15<rander2>where paste ?
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04:17<jm_>!paste
04:17<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>.
04:18<rander2>http://paste.debian.net/1223372/
04:20<jm_>so kernel detected partitions just fine, what does fdisk/gparted show?
04:20<rander2>http://paste.debian.net/1223373/
04:22<rander2>gparted see one partition zfs /dev/sda
04:22<jm_>looks OK except for that weirdnes with order
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04:23<rander2>the problem is gparted
04:25<rander2>hello
04:25<rander2>same problem on another laptop running ubuntu 20.04
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04:25<tarzeau>!tell rander2 about debian
04:26<tarzeau>!tell rander2 about ubuntu
04:26<rander2>debian here, but same problem in ubuntu
04:27<rander2>I dont know how make a screenshot in debian to past gparted image
04:27<tarzeau>apt install scrot; scrot the.png ?
04:27<jm_>or import?
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04:27<jm_>or even xwd
04:28<rander2>scrot to screenshot ?
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04:36<rander2>ok captured
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04:37<rander2>https://imgur.com/UYZ05D2
04:38<rander2>I dont know if it is a bug, or it's only for this disk. It's strange
04:39<jm_>i'd just ignore gparted and use fdisk
04:39<will0w>rander2: did you try parted?
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04:40<rander2>parted work finely
04:40<will0w>sudo parted /dev/sda print
04:41<rander2>http://paste.debian.net/1223374/
04:42<will0w>https://gparted.org/bugs.php
04:43<rander2>however I lose a disk with all data for fault of gparted, sh....
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04:44<sussudio>just restore your backup.
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04:46<rander2>will0w, permission denied ok https://gparted.org/bugs.php
04:46<rander2>may I recover a disk partition ?
04:47<rander2>disk was dos fat
04:47<rander2>it's a incredible bug
04:47<petn-randall>rander2: What are you trying to achieve?
04:48<rander2>petn-randall, it was a ssd with linux , all lose
04:48<jm_>if only partition table was overwritten, then gpart might help
04:49<rander2>I tried to resize the partition with gparted, and I loose all data
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04:49<rander2>jm_, the laptop dont boot
04:50<jm_>rander2: that's what rescue media are for
04:50<rander2>can I boot from a live ?
04:50<jm_>like grml
04:51<rander2>yes from live, and after ?
04:52<jm_>you need to use tools that look for existing partitions/files/...
04:53<rander2>tool as parted ?
04:53<jm_>uhm no, forensic tools, but note that none of this is easy
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04:55<rander2>why gparted have this bug?
04:55<jm_>heh why does software have bugs?
04:56<rander2>all software have bugs, but not so big
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04:56<petn-randall>rander2: I'm still unsure what your bug is supposed to be. Maybe you have both a partition table and a ZFS filesystem on it.
04:57<petn-randall>and gparted is doing is best to display it.
04:58<rander2>what forensic tool may I use to recover partition table from debian live ?
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04:59<rander2>or to try to recover
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05:00<petn-randall>rander2: Do you have backups? It's probably safest to just wipe the drive and start from scratch.
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05:00<rander2>no I havent
05:00<petn-randall>Oof.
05:01<petn-randall>rander2: Then I'd use grml and make the best of it from there.
05:01<sussudio>"bug" = pebcak.
05:01<rander2>it's strange, gparted dont recognize partition disk
05:01<petn-randall>rander2: Well, do you have a zfs filesystem on the disk?
05:02<rander2>not it's fat
05:02<rander2>grml in rescue mode ?
05:05<jm_>like I said, gpart searches for partitions
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05:11<rander2>ok I booted from deb10 grml, parted dont see nothing
05:11<rander2>no partition
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05:18<rander2>hellp
05:18<rander2>forensic tool as .. ?
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05:18<rander2>must I reinstall all ? it's a big stress
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05:35<will0w>rander2: what was the fdisk and gparted output you showed earlier? was that from the drive before?
05:36<petn-randall>rander2: You can try to recreate the partition table the exact same way it was before, and then the data might be accessible again. But if you don't have the data, your only chance is to try a filesystem recovery tool.
05:37<petn-randall>rander2: If that fails, your data is really gone and it's probably a memorable moment to remember backups the next time. :(
05:39<will0w>rander2: you need to kno the start and end values of the previous partitions. use that to recreate them
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05:53<rander2>reinstalled all
05:53<rander2>gparted...
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06:00<rander2>gparted isnt the graphic version of parted , they are two different program
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06:38<cpach>hi folks. what's your favourite tool to configure firewall rules for a server? stuff like, allow incoming on port 443, etc.
06:39<cpach>do you prefer ufw, firewalld, plain nftables, something else?
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06:43<tarzeau>cpach: no firewall is my preference
06:43<cpach>ah. yeah that's an option too of course.
06:44<tarzeau>and a screen with iptraf(-ng) running inside
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06:56<grove>cpach: My favourite tool for configuring firewall rules is vi (editing files with rules for plain iptables/nftables)
06:57<soyeomul>see you again ~~~
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07:01<spawacz>Any systemd container expert here? I can't for the life of mine figure out why my configuration gets ignored
07:01<spawacz>even when i pass --port=tcp:5555:22 or i set the Port in [Network] in the container config file
07:02<spawacz>ti absolutely does not want to cooperate
07:02<grove>I don't remember which tool did what, but last time I chacked a selection, they all did something weird - the worst was probably that one of the tools insisted on adding rules for microsoft noise
07:03<grove>(That was in relation to the discussion on tools for configuring firewall rules, not related to the systemd oontainer stuff)
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08:06<zxr>Debian is good?
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08:07<bremner>zxr: we obviously think so since we use it. Do you have a more specific question?
08:07<zxr>No
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08:08<dpkg>Another happy customer leaves the building.
08:08<Anarka>:)
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09:20<Bart>Is there a way to find out at what exact date a Debian system was upgraded from Debian 8 to Debian 9?
09:20<Habbie>if you still have dpkg.log it's easy
09:21<Habbie>otherwise you'll have to find some file that was touched by that upgrade, but not after it
09:21<Bart>yes, I have
09:21<Habbie>which is a lot more work
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09:21<Habbie>Bart, then i think you can grep for 'deb9' in dpkg.log
09:22<Bart>ok, let me try that...
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09:22<Bart>there are also dpkg.log.<number>.gz files, but grep probably doesn't grep in those?
09:22<Anarka>those logs rotate...
09:22<Anarka>zgrep does
09:24<Bart>Hmm... I find different dates:
09:24<Bart>root@s-ebl-jnks05-15:/var/log# zgrep deb9 dpkg.log* | cut -d" " -f1 | uniq dpkg.log:2021-12-02 dpkg.log:2021-12-04 dpkg.log.1:2021-11-03 dpkg.log.1:2021-11-06 dpkg.log.1:2021-11-15 dpkg.log.1:2021-11-29 dpkg.log.1:2021-11-30 dpkg.log.2.gz:2021-10-02 dpkg.log.2.gz:2021-10-03 dpkg.log.2.gz:2021-10-04 dpkg.log.2.gz:2021-10-17 dpkg.log.2.gz:2021-10-18 dpkg.log.2.gz:2021-10-31 dpkg.log.2.gz:2021-11-01 dpkg.log.3.gz:2021-09-15 dpkg.log.
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09:25<Bart>(we use unattended-upgrades)
09:25<Bart>so one of these dates is probably the upgrade date from Debian 8 -> 9, but how would I find out?
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09:26<Bart>any specific package upgrade to search for?
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09:27<Anarka>you sure ? 8 -> 9 seems old... and those logs have 12 months rotation
09:27<Bart>ok, if I do
09:27<Anarka>base-files owns /etc/debian_version so maybe there
09:27<zabriski>hi, I'm trying to use xscreensaver on lxde but it keeps getting disabled by something, the only post I can find with a similar issue is https://mail.xfce.org/pipermail/xfce/2018-February/035933.html and I can't understand the xscreensaver-command-pid.txt output. What do I do to track down what's disabling it?
09:27<Bart>zgrep deb9 dpkg.log* | cut -d" " -f1 | uniq -c
09:28<Bart>then I find one date with 2599 occurrences of deb9, the next smaller one is 137 occurrences... so I guess I know now :-)
09:28<Anarka>check pkg base-files
09:29<Bart>and base-files was indeed also upgraded on that same date
09:29<Bart>thanks
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10:51<sychill>pavucontrol says “Establishing connection to PulseAudio. Please wait..”
10:51<sychill>i've been waiting a few minutes now
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10:52<bremner>did you try restarting pulseaudio?
10:52<sychill>i restarted the whole machine
10:52<bremner>welp, that should do it
10:53<sychill>followed these instructions: https://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser/
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10:54<sychill>in bluetoothctl, I did a "power on", "scan on", "agent on", "devices", "pair foo", "trust foo", "connect foo"
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10:55<sychill>it reported successful connection to the bluetooth device but audio is still sent to the internal speakers
10:55<sychill>alsamixer has no bluetooth channel
10:55<sychill>so i thought pavucontrol should give that option but it seems to be broken
10:56<bremner>if pavucontrol can't connect to pulseaudio, it probably failed to start. what is the output from systemctl --user status pulseaudio
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10:57<petn-randall>sychill: Have you checked if pulseaudio is running?
10:57<bremner>jinx ;)
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10:58*petn-randall jinx.
10:58<sychill>bremner: “pulseaudio[1181]: Error opening PCM device front:0: Device or resource busy”
10:59<sychill>apparently pulseaudio is not running
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10:59<bremner>what version of debian is this? wondering about about pipewire interference
10:59<sychill>restarted and now it's in a better state
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10:59<bremner>ok
10:59<sychill>bremner: bullseye
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11:00<sychill>but pavucontrol still goes to lunch
11:00<sychill>and audio still goes to internal speakers
11:01<bremner>ooc, do you have pipewire-pulse installed?
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11:03<sychill>that pkg doesn't seem to exist on bullseye
11:04<sychill>but i do have pipewire installed (not sure why)
11:04<sychill>oh, hold on.. there's no pipewire-pulse pkg, but there is a pipewire-pulse command
11:05<sychill>perhaps part of the pipewire pkg
11:05<petn-randall>FYI, I have pipewire installed, it's pulled in by gnome.
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11:06<sychill>well i didn't install gnome. i'm using Sway instead
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11:06<bremner>hmm. I guess I better let someone more familiar with the setup in bullseye talk. For my bookworm system, removing pipewire cleared up some issues I was having with pulse. YMMV.
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11:07<sychill>what is pavucontrol supposed to do for me? is that an alternative to alsamixer?
11:08<bremner>sortof.
11:08<petn-randall>sychill: It's a frontend to pulseaudio, so no.
11:08<petn-randall>sychill: alsamixer will not be able to do the things you can do with pavucontrol.
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11:10<kveroneau>petn-randall, actually for my laptop, in order to get audio out of the HDMI to work, I needed to launch alsamixer to manually unmute the HDMI-out, there was no option for this in PulseAudio.
11:10<petn-randall>kveroneau: Interesting. It works fine on my laptop.
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11:12<kveroneau>Yeah, every laptop is different. It wasn't the audio volume bar, it was a random boolean toggle in alsamixer. I'll look it up later and let you know what the toggle is called, maybe there is a better way to fix it. As everytime I plug in HDMI, I need to open alsamixer and toggle it to get sound out of HDMI. It's a bit annoying to say the least, and I'd love a better solution. This is also in bullseye.
11:12<kveroneau>It uses Intel integrated graphics, and the laptop is from 2010.
11:12<kveroneau>Not sure if that should matter though.
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11:20<petn-randall>hi BlackDragon42
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11:21<sychill>bluetooth was glitchy and flakey in Stretch and now does't work in Bullseye. I should probably just get a bluetooth transmitter that plugs into the headset jack
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11:47<mendel_munkis>how can I find the last release a package appeared in? I see it in archive.debian.org, but it has no results when I search on packages.debian.org.
11:48<FLD>sychill: i got one without a volume adjust and it worked until one day the volume somehow got adjusted really low, with no way to adjust it back up :P
11:49<petn-randall>mendel_munkis: packages.d.o only covers stable releases and newer. https://tracker.debian.org sometimes helps, too.
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11:50<mendel_munkis>yeah just found it on tracker, no clue why it was removed :(
11:50<petn-randall>mendel_munkis: Which package?
11:50<mendel_munkis>metakit
11:51<petn-randall>,why is metakit not in testing
11:51<judd>No package named 'is' was found in bullseye/amd64.
11:51<petn-randall>,why metakit not in testing
11:51<judd>No package named 'metakit' was found in bullseye/amd64.
11:51<petn-randall>err, how was the factoid again?
11:51<petn-randall>!why is metakit not in testing
11:51<dpkg>metakit is not in testing for the reasons listed in https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/metakit
11:51<petn-randall>Ah, it was dpkg. mendel_munkis ^
11:52<mendel_munkis>yeah too bad I don't see excuses listed there
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11:52<sychill>FLD: i'll probably buy the cheapest so it'll probably happen to me
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11:52<mendel_munkis>thanks
11:53<FLD>sychill: buy two ;)
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11:54<petn-randall>mendel_munkis: Oh, the package is so old that the maintainer doesn't even go by Gerfried Fuchs anymore. :)
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12:00<r4fkramer>Hi all. Yesterday I installed another debian bullseye with ext4, and with active services option for web server. However, this time the 'Degraded' status appears - is this common on a fresh install?
12:00<r4fkramer>https://paste.debian.net/1223436/
12:00<r4fkramer>I thought it might be necessary to install 'apache2-bin', but it seems to me that's not the case. Please correct me if I am wrong and what to do in this case?
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12:02<jmcnaught>r4fkramer: "sudo journalctl -u apache2.service" and also look at /var/log/apache2/error.log to see what's happening.
12:02<r4fkramer>Fine jmcnaught, thanks for answering. let me try it now
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12:03<r4fkramer>Dec 14 13:11:16 r4f systemd[1]: apache2.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'.
12:04<r4fkramer>Dec 14 13:11:16 r4f systemd[1]: Failed to start The Apache HTTP Server.
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12:04<somiaj>That isn't any new information, look for errors as to why it failed to start.
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12:05<pumpkins>Hello everyone. I have an issue with KVM on Debian 12 and have already looked through all the forums on it with no success.
12:06<r4fkramer>Ok somiaj, but how to proceed ? I tried several ways here with no result. And I know I don't need to install apache2, for it's there.
12:06<imMute>r4fkramer: look at 'journalctl -e -u apache2.service'
12:06<jmcnaught>pumpkins: Debian 12 is still in development and support is in #debian-next
12:07<pumpkins>Thank you.
12:07<jmcnaught>r4fkramer: did you look at /var/log/apache2/error.log?
12:07<jmcnaught>r4fkramer: you should probably also tell us what you have tried already.
12:07<r4fkramer>inMute it brings me the same result of the previous command used
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12:08<imMute>r4fkramer: what did you see in /var/log/apache2/error.log as jmcnaught asked?
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12:09<r4fkramer>strange.
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12:10<r4fkramer>There's no reply here
12:10<r4fkramer>Just the message: 'no such file or directory'
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12:12<r4fkramer>dpkg -S /usr/sbin/apache2 -> apache2-bin: /usr/sbin/apache2
12:12<dpkg>Package: /usr/sbin/apache2 -> apache2-bin: /usr/sbin/apache2: Status: install ok installed
12:12<r4fkramer>That's one of checks I did here jmcnaught
12:13<r4fkramer>At first I thought it would be necessary to reinstall apache2 - but, as you can see, it seems not to be necessary in this case.
12:13<somiaj>Do you have anything in /var/log/apahce2/error.log file? Can you just share that whole file.
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12:15<ray>Hi. I borked my fstab. I need to get back into my PC soon. Please can someone help? I made a thread here: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=6309433
12:15<r4fkramer>-bash: cd: /var/log/apahce2/error.log: No such file or directory
12:15<ray>I'll be back soon. Bye.
12:15<r4fkramer>sorry somiaj. typed wrongly here
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12:16<r4fkramer>Oh, I just repeat your suggestion; you typed wrong. Let me repeat the process.
12:16<somiaj>that is not a directory, you cannot just cd into a file
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12:17<r4fkramer>Well, I did it before: -bash: cd: /var/log/apache2/error.log: No such file or directory
12:17<somiaj>as I said, that is not a directory, you cannot cd into it
12:17<pumpkins>I do not think you need to worry about fstab if you can't even manually unlock the volume with cryptsetup.
12:17<r4fkramer>So, should I have to reinstall it ?
12:17<somiaj>You should just share the full file at paste.debian.net
12:18<jmcnaught>or "nc termbin.com 999 < /var/log/apache2/error.log"
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12:18<jmcnaught>sorry that should be 9999 not 999 "nc termbin.com 999 < /var/log/apache2/error.log"
12:19<jmcnaught>damnit
12:19<jmcnaught>nc termbin.com 9999 < /var/log/apache2/error.log
12:19<r4fkramer>yes, jmcnaught, it didn' work here, and still not so clear somiaj suggestion...
12:19<r4fkramer>for I don't have to use cd for this case
12:20<jmcnaught>r4fkramer: error.log is a file in the /var/log/apache2/ directory, we want to see its contents
12:20<r4fkramer>It is not a directory; so, how to proceed ?
12:20<r4fkramer>ok
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12:23<r4fkramer>jmcnaught, well, if /var/log/apache2/ is a directory, there is no such apache2 directory. I type ls and it doesn't return anything.
12:24<somiaj>it didn't return anything? That means the directory is empty not that it doesn't exist. Though it being empty is also strange.
12:25<jmcnaught>What were the exact commands you typed? Can you show us in a paste?
12:25<r4fkramer>apt --reinstall install apache2
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12:25<r4fkramer>that's what I gonna do here
12:25<somiaj>you don't need to reinstall apache2, log files are created when you try to run it
12:26<r4fkramer>So, if I don't need to reinstall it. I'm completely lost here, somiaj
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12:26<somiaj>what is the output of 'ls -l /var/log/apache2/'
12:28<imMute>slap a sudo on there, I think that directory isn't readable by non-root users.
12:30<r4fkramer>somiaj, I was a bit rebellious now and reinstalled the package: https://paste.debian.net/1223439/
12:31<somiaj>Though reinstalling the package shouldn't really touch the files in /var/log/apache2 (though I guess it triggered the systemd unit which now seems to work?)
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12:32<imMute>iirc, installing the package turns on the systemd service, so it would make sense for reinstall to do the same, right?
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12:32<somiaj>oh wait it only says setting up not starting. Anyways, can you share the /var/log/apache2/error.log file you have been asked for multiple times
12:32<r4fkramer>Ok somiaj, I understood your explanation. I will try apt --reinstall install apache2-bin
12:32<r4fkramer>I never tried it before.
12:33<somiaj>That is not what anyone here has asked for or recommended
12:33<somiaj>support requires actually providing the info you are being asked
12:33<r4fkramer>Ok somiaj, sorry
12:33<jmcnaught>And not just doing random things that nobody suggested.
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12:34<r4fkramer>Fine, jmcnaught, sorry for that. But, this case is quite strange, and we've been trying some steps here
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12:35<jmcnaught>r4fkramer: as root can you "cat /var/log/apache2/error.log" and show us in a paste?
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12:38<r4fkramer>Please, jmcnaught and somiaj: https://paste.debian.net/1223441/
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12:39<somiaj>and can you provide the full output of 'journalctl -u apache2.service', I'm just surprised there isn't other info than what you have shared.
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12:40<demo>Hi. I was here earlier.
12:41<demo>I'm currently running from a live MX Linux 21 pen drive. I borked the fstab on my main install. Please can someone help? I made a thread here: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=6309419
12:41<r4fkramer>somiaj and jmcnaught, here you are: https://paste.debian.net/1223442/
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12:41<r4fkramer>I'm deleting previous posts in debian.net to avoid problems with debian public web server
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12:42<ray>I need to get back into my PC, fast!
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12:43<jmcnaught>r4fkramer: "(2)No such file or directory: AH02291: Cannot access directory '/v>" this line is cut off (lines 7 and 8 in your paste). Maybe you could do "journalctl -u apache2.service | nc termbin.com 9999"?
12:44<somiaj>r4fkramer: that info is actually useful. You have been here enough you should be able to better provide output you are asked for. It appears that you modified your configuration file and have a typo
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12:45<r4fkramer>somiaj I'm providing exactly what you are asking me...
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12:45<somiaj>This info was some of the first info you were asked for, and it took almost 45 minutes to get it, and it actually contained the error we can use to move forward.
12:45<r4fkramer>I didn't modify anything, for I didn't anything in this case....
12:46<ray>Anyone? Please!
12:46<r4fkramer>somiaj, after these 45 min, do you have any idea about what's really happening here ?
12:46<somiaj>r4fkramer: maybe you ran a command that put an extraous file in /etc/apache2
12:47<r4fkramer>jmcnaught, the output is: https://termbin.com/ejfp
12:47<somiaj>yes, lines 7-8 in your last paste about cannot access direcotry '/v>, that is your error due to some configuration issue somewhere, we may have to dig through your /etc/apache2 configure file for more info
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12:48*imMute has a feeling the timestamps that start with "13:" is from before the reinstall and it's actually working now
12:48<r4fkramer>somiaj which command ? I don't remember I did such thing before. I didn't run a command that put an extraous file in /etc/apache2
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12:49<r4fkramer>except for the reinstallation I really did
12:49<somiaj>well at this point lets not worry about what happen but track down the issue to fix it
12:49<r4fkramer>Fine, agree
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12:51<somiaj>does 'grep -r "'/v>" /etc/apache2' return anything?
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12:52<imMute>somiaj: based on the last termbin paste, that's /var/log/apache/ that got cut off
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12:53<jmcnaught>Have we checked if it's actually running now?
12:53<somiaj>imMute: ahh missed that, thanks
12:54<imMute>jmcnaught: no.
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12:54<r4fkramer>back here. no somiaj: it doesn't return anything
12:55<jmcnaught>For what it is worth I just "apt install apache2" on a fresh bullseye VM and it runs out of the box.
12:55<somiaj>r4fkramer: yea sorry, the issue was due to info being cut off. It appears the issue might be with permissions on /var/log/apache2/, maybe 'ls -ld /var/log /var/log/apache2 /va/lorg/apache2/error.log'
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12:56<r4fkramer>jmcnaught, should I do the same here ?
12:57<jmcnaught>r4fkramer: you already have the package installed, but you should "systemctl status apache2.service" to see if it is running now.
12:57<ray>How can I get peoples attention?
12:57<imMute>ray: post an actual question.
12:57<r4fkramer>https://paste.debian.net/1223445/
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12:57<ray>@imMute, I did.
12:57<petn-randall>ray: Ask an actual support question, otherwise people will likely ignore you.
12:57<r4fkramer>ok jmcnaught, let me try it now
12:58<imMute>ray: you asked if someone would help you do something (without saying waht that something is). nobody is going to wrestle a question out of you.
12:58<ray>@petn-randall, I did already. I'll post again.
12:58<r4fkramer>yes, jmcnaught, it is active and running now
12:58<petn-randall>ray: Ah, now I see it. You disconnected after that. I'd say restore your /etc/fstab from your backup.
12:59<ray>https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php
12:59<r4fkramer>jmcnaught, somiaj and inMute: https://paste.debian.net/1223446/
12:59<r4fkramer>The question is: is it going to continue active and running after a reboot ?
12:59<somiaj>r4fkramer: opps I had a typo, but still ls: cannot access '/var/log/apache2': No such file or directory which is very strange since you pasted the contents of that directory a bit a go.
13:00<ray>Sorry, wrong link. Here's the right one: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/tweaked-my-fstab-now-i-can%27t-boot-into-my-distro-4175704923/
13:00<petn-randall>ray: Can you say which steps you exactly took? It's unclear from the thread you linked.
13:00<r4fkramer>yes somiaj, if you feel it is quite strange, the question for me it even more serious
13:01<ray>@petn-randall, Sorry, I can't think of how to explain it again. All info is in the thread.
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13:01<r4fkramer>it is even more serious, for I continue not having any idea about it - why it has happened - I finished this installation today, and always using ext4 as you suggested me before
13:01<Sqrt{Not}>ray, I cannot even access your web question from this machine, but I will look at whatever information you can provide us here.
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13:01<petn-randall>ray: It's not, which is why I'm asking. Also redacting your UUIDs makes it impossible to actually see if it's set up properly.
13:02<r4fkramer>Please somiaj, jmcnaught an inMute, is this apache service able to continue running after a reboot ?
13:02<ray>@petn-randall, Are UUIDs sensitive information?
13:03<JordiGH>I wonder if we'll get new firefox ESR before March.
13:03<petn-randall>ray: They're unique to your system, but other than that completely random. So if someone steals your laptop, they might only match it with your post, that's about it.
13:03<JordiGH>Slack is threatening to make me use Chromium.
13:03<petn-randall>ray: But it's a lot simpler: Read the actual message on the screenshot you gave. You can't mount /boot with commit=600.
13:03<blast007>JordiGH: just get Firefox from mozilla directly then. You can run it out of your home directory.
13:04<JordiGH>blast007: I don't trust whatever DRM telemetry crap Mozilla puts into it nowadays. Debian disables it.
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13:06<ray>@petn-randall, So is the "commit=600" bit the only problem?
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13:07<jmcnaught>r4fkramer: try rebooting to see. To me it is still unclear what was broken, except that perhaps /var/log/apache2 got deleted somehow.
13:07<r4fkramer>somiaj, jmcnaught and inMute, I'll reboot here to check if it is definitively fixed. I'll be back to tell if it's all right in minutes. Thank you very much for Attention and Great Support !
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13:07<r4fkramer>the same impression here, jmcnaught. Anyway, thank you very much ! I will be back in few minutes :)
13:07<imMute>r4fkramer: if you're going to keep tagging me, you should probably spell my nick right otherwise it's not going to hilight me.
13:09<petn-randall>ray: I'm just reading that from the screenshot you gave. Remove it from /boot and see.
13:09<plp_>do I have use a ethernet cable to install debian stable non-free to get wifi working or will the live cd detect it by default?
13:09<r4fkramer>Sorry imMute, now I'm looking more carefully. i really need some glasses, lol
13:09<r4fkramer>Be back
13:09<r4fkramer>I will be back, thank you !
13:10<petn-randall>plp_: the firmware installer has firmware for most wifi devices. If that doesn't work, wifi likely won't work on the installed system.
13:10<blast007>!firmware images
13:10<dpkg>There are <live> system and <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages available from https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ The images are "unofficial" because "official Debian" includes only 100% free software, but otherwise identical to the normal installer images and prepared by the same Debian Developers. See <check iso>, <old firmware images>.
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13:11<somiaj>JordiGH: I suspsect we'll get it in 1-2 weeks
13:11<plp_>petn-randall: thanks;)
13:12<somiaj>imMute, jmcnaught: You think there might be some underlaying filesystem issue with r4fkramer problem? It seems that /var/log/apache2 sometimes existed and sometimes didn't?
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13:12<jmcnaught>somiaj: maybe but user error seems a lot more likely.
13:13<imMute>somiaj: my guess is a wild goose chase with a person who is running commands and not telling us about them.
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13:14<somiaj>JordiGH: but 11.2 hits the 18th, and it appears the build chain is basically backported and going to be included in bullseye with the 11.2 point release. Then maybe a week after that to actually build firefox-esr
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13:14<JordiGH>somiaj: I like your crystal ball.
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13:15<plp_>is this basically the same image? https://cdimage.debian.org/images/unofficial/non-free/images-including-firmware/11.1.0-live+nonfree/amd64/bt-hybrid/
13:15<r4fkramer>Please somiaj, jmcnaught and imMute, the problem continues the same: apache is the only service that is not being started. I will have to work now in other duties. I will try to fix it according your instructions. If I don't get any result, I will be back. Thank you very much for attention and Great Support !:)
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13:15<r4fkramer>I really appreciate your efforts to help me :)
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13:15<somiaj>JordiGH: I've kinda been following the bug reports and that is what it appaers the gola is. If it happens or not, we'll just have to see.
13:16<petn-randall>plp_: Compared to what?
13:17<plp_>petn-randall: https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/
13:17<Belserusk>Hi @petn-randall, this is (ray) from my earlier Hexchat connection. I'm typing this from my main install. You were correct! Removing the "commit=600" from the /boot line did the trick! Thank you very, very much! :-)
13:17<petn-randall>Belserusk: You're welcome! Next time, pay close attention to error messages. They usually contain important hints to the solution. :)
13:18<petn-randall>Belserusk: I'm also surprised that your backup of /etc/fstab didn't work, you must have overwritten it somehow.
13:18<Belserusk>@peter1138, Will do. (:
13:18<Belserusk>Bye.
13:18<petn-randall>Belserusk: petn<tab>
13:18<Belserusk>\o
13:18<petn-randall>o/
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13:18<jmcnaught>plp_: netinst images are the Debian installer, live images use calamares installer which is different.
13:19<spawacz>i've got some old piece of hardware, i had to download image containing nonfree firmware, i would like to install it but the disks are not detected and i dont know how to diagnose the issue
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13:19<Sqrt{Not}>plp_, although the live images do also include the same regular installer
13:19<spawacz>lsblk shows only my liveusb
13:19<somiaj>jmcnaught: afiak the live iamges have both the debian installer and calamares, depending on how you boot it
13:19<jmcnaught>Oh okay good to know
13:19<Sqrt{Not}>they have a menu after any kind of boot
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13:20<Sqrt{Not}>plp_, the ones that include "bt" in the url, are for bittorrent downloads of the installer or live image
13:20<petn-randall>plp_: One is the live system, the other is the installer. They're not the same.
13:21<blast007>spawacz: does the BIOS/UEFI setup utility have options for the SATA operation mode? I believe I've seen some issues with some Dell computers where the disks don't show up if the SATA operation is set to RAID, and changing it to AHCI fixes it.
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13:24<spawacz>would dmesg help? I will reboot to try, but this piece of hardware takes 2 minutes to spin off and sounds like airplane :D
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13:24<spawacz>i got it from somewhere who wanted to put it to trash
13:25<spawacz>caue thats a erver thing
13:25<spawacz>server
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13:25<petn-randall>spawacz: Does it have disks physically installed? Maybe the caddies are empty.
13:26<spawacz>it has, i put them there
13:26<spawacz>i think properly
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13:26<petn-randall>spawacz: Do they show up in the BIOS?
13:26<spawacz>nop
13:26<spawacz>biosa says 0 logical volumes or smth like that
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13:26<sney>that's raid mode, you'll need to create an array or set it to ahci/jbod or something
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13:28<blast007>some RAID controllers will make you create a logical volume for each drive if you want to manage the disks individually in your OS
13:28<petn-randall>spawacz: So either configure them as JBOD, or if you have a LSI raid controller or something nice, set up a RAID1/5/10 or whatever you want and install Debian on there.
13:28<spawacz>im gonna try, thanks
13:29<spawacz>btw some letters here are displayed incorrectly
13:29<spawacz>uch as borders or lines in htop
13:29<spawacz>printing as a e u with dots over them
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13:31<petn-randall>spawacz: on a basic terminal, or a GUI terminal?
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13:37<gnuhub>hi, Your account is pending approval from your GitLab administrator and hence blocked. Please contact your GitLab administrator if you think this is an error.
13:37<gnuhub>https://salsa.debian.org/users/sign_in
13:37<gnuhub>who can help me?
13:38<petn-randall>gnuhub: https://wiki.debian.org/Salsa
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13:39<petn-randall>It's apparently #salsa, or write them a mail.
13:39<jmcnaught>gnuhub: https://wiki.debian.org/Salsa/Doc#Support is linked from https://salsa.debian.org/users/sign_in
13:39<sney>they check #salsa pretty often for those
13:40<gnuhub>ok
13:40<sney>salsa registrations are extra locked down, I guess because there aren't enough staff to moderate spammers. but I got mine approved pretty quickly by asking in #salsa.
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13:58<Cork>all outputs seams to be cropped when the line would wrap in bullseye, anyone know what causes that? (even cat:ing a file with a long line)
14:00<_alexrelis_>Noob question.
14:00<bremner>_alexrelis_: not helpful.
14:00<_alexrelis_>How do I make install as a regualr user? I don't want to mess up my system partition.
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14:00<bremner>oh, sorry, thought you were responding to someone else
14:00<_alexrelis_>lol
14:00<bandali>lol
14:00<bremner>_alexrelis_: usually you can choose your prefix when running configure
14:01<bremner>Cork: what terminal, what shell?
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14:01<_alexrelis_>This is the program I'm trying to install: http://audiotools.sourceforge.net/install.html
14:01<Cork>bremner: bash over ssh
14:01<_alexrelis_>I'm using bash.
14:02<bremner>_alexrelis_: are you looking a newer version? audiotools is in debian
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14:03<_alexrelis_>bremner: It's in Debian, but it doesn't have the dvda2track binary.
14:03<_alexrelis_>And I need that to rip my DVD Audio album.
14:03<bremner>Cork: what is the value of TERM
14:03<Cork>bremner: xterm-256color
14:04<bremner>hrm. Is the remote Debian?
14:04<Cork>yes
14:06<bremner>hmm. Can't duplicate that here. Maybe it's the local terminal emulator?
14:06<Cork>bremner: for i in {1..100}; do echo -n "a" >> /tmp/test.log; done; echo -n "$" >> /tmp/test.log; cat /tmp/test.log
14:06<Cork>outputs "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa"
14:06<Cork>super weird
14:07<free2>I have dollar at the end
14:07<free2>aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa$
14:07<bremner>yeah, that means you see the whole thing.
14:07<Cork>ya, that is what i expect to get too...
14:07<bremner>the $ is the prompt, most likely
14:07<free2>I don't have $ in my prompt
14:07<Cork>it is the echo after the for loop
14:07<Cork>so it is to mark the end of the test line
14:08<Cork>but i only get the width of the terminal window the rest is cropped
14:08<bremner>oh, the $ is in the command, doh
14:09<Cork>it is quite annoying when long commands can't be grabbed from history cause you can't display them -_-'
14:09<Cork>history only displays what fits on screen
14:10<Cork>each line is cropped instead of wrapping
14:10<Cork>it started happening after upgrading from buster to bullseye last week
14:10<Cork>(on the remote machine)
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14:11<Cork>my computer has nothing to do with it cause the problem doesn't happen with other remote hosts
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14:12<_alexrelis_>Should I just compile as root?
14:12<r4fkramer>Hi all, to somiaj, imMute and jmcnaught, who have provided Support for me here minutes ago: I read and reread all the instructions presented here. But, every time I restarted the machine, the service was not started and the degraded status in debian remained, because this Apache service was not active (it didn't start with Debian restart).
14:12<Cork>ah, found it
14:12<bremner>oh?
14:12<Cork>setterm -linewrap defaults to off now
14:12<r4fkramer>So I decided to reinstall apache2 itself; after this reinstallation i rebooted the machine and the service started along with debian successfully: https://paste.debian.net/1223456/
14:12<Cork>so setterm -linewrap on fixes it
14:13<r4fkramer>Anyway, thank you very much for attention (always provide me strong and fine attention !) and Great Support :)
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14:15<free2>I have a question about history, I use tmux and sometimes I open and close windows frequently, lots of times I search history and don't find commands I issued. I also have this PROMPT_COMMAND="history -a;echo"; set
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14:17<Cork>free2: shopt -s histappend; shopt -s hostcomplete in .bashrc should fix that
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14:17<free2>I have it shopt -s autocd;shopt -s direxpand cdable_vars dotglob histappend cdspell checkwinsize; HISTSIZE=10000; HISTFILESIZE=10000;
14:17<free2>do I need to call shopt separately for each option?
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14:19<Cork>hmm not sure never put them on one line
14:19<Cork>btw sorry hostcomplete isn't related
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14:21<Cork>"shopt [-pqsu] [-o] [OPTNAME ...]" so should work on one line too
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14:21<free2>right so I am not sure
14:21<free2>I had shopt -s histappend before I set PROMPT_COMMAND="history -a;echo";
14:21<free2>I set PROMPT_COMMAND="history -a;echo"; because it wasn't working with histappend
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14:22<Cork>i'm only using histappend and it works here
14:22<Cork>well i have export HISTCONTROL=ignoredups:erasedups too
14:22<free2>do you use tmux? maybe it's because of tmux
14:22<sarnold>does putting 'history -a' into your PROMPT_COMMAND cause the *entire* history from that session to be written to your history file on every single prompt?
14:22<free2>I have ignoreboth
14:23<free2>I'd have to test, not sure
14:23<Cork>free2: no i use screen, but as it is bash options tmux shouldn't matter
14:23<free2>alright
14:23<free2>I thought it mattered because of opening/closing bash
14:23<sarnold>are you sure your shopt options are being run in your shell startup scripts as you expect? shell startup scripts are the worst things ever, and maybe your lines aren't being executed when you expect them to be
14:23<Cork>well tmux multiplexes, but it starts a new bash in each pain
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14:24<Cork>so it should be the same as starting multiple terminal emulators
14:25<Cork>free2: note an open bash won't see the history from another bash though
14:25<Cork>only if you start a new bash will it load those
14:25<free2>right so maybe only one bash saves its history
14:25<Cork>append should solve that as long as you don't replace it all
14:25<Cork>that is the point of that option
14:26<Cork>bash version matters a bit though, as they have had races in the history saving in some versions
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14:26<Cork>don't remember where and how though
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14:30<free2>I am not sure when those commands are executed, I put them in ~/.bashrc
14:31<Cork>free2: they are executed each time bash starts, except in script mode
14:31<sarnold>When an interactive shell that is not a login shell is started, bash reads and executes commands from /etc/bash.bashrc and ~/.bashrc,
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14:31<sarnold>are your interactive shells login shells? I hate bash so much :)
14:31<free2>but you asked me are they executed as I expect
14:32<free2>they are not login shells
14:32<free2>they are started normally in tmux
14:32<Cork>free2: you can check the value with shops
14:32<Cork>if they are on you have set them correctly
14:32<free2>shopt -u login_shell
14:33<free2>I get it
14:33<free2>shopt -s histappend
14:34<free2>all are set
14:34<free2>autocd direxpand cdable_vars dotglob histappend cdspell checkwinsize there's autocd too
14:36<free2>what are these numbers in ~/.bash-history? #1639385134
14:36<free2>I have $HISTTIMEFORMAT %H:%M:%S %d-%m-%Y%t
14:37<free2>I was thinking of disabling history and echoing each command to a file
14:38<free2>but if command is complicated there'd be escaping problems
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14:39<free2>how is it that the only result from apt-file search dvda2track is audiotools: /usr/share/man/man1/dvda2track.1.gz
14:39<sarnold>free2: I haven't tried this yet, but I really like the idea .. https://github.com/rcaloras/bashhub-client https://github.com/nicksherron/bashhub-server/
14:39<free2>I encountered this a few times, that there's a manual page, but there's no program, in any of the packages
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14:40<free2>let me see
14:41<free2>I see, it seems interesting
14:41<sarnold>free2: here's the file from the source package https://termbin.com/36ux7
14:41<free2>I'd like a local solution however
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14:42<free2>alright thank you. but where is it located?
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14:43<sarnold>free2: probably "apt-get source audiotools" will download it if you've got the right deb-src lines configured for your apt repos
14:44<free2>I see
14:44<free2>but how is it that the binary is not listen in the package
14:44<free2>just the man page
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14:46<maxzor>Is there a sql version of the debian package database?
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14:48<bremner>,udd
14:48<bremner>!udd
14:48<dpkg>The Ultimate Debian Database (UDD) is an effort to gather lots of useful information about Debian from a variety of sources and stuff it all into a giant PostgreSQL database. http://wiki.debian.org/UltimateDebianDatabase http://udd.debian.org/
14:49<maxzor><3
14:49<bremner>maxzor: depends what you want. There is also https://salsa.debian.org/bremner/builtin-pho if you want to set up your own
14:49<maxzor>gorgeous
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15:33<imMute>did anyone tell r4fkramer to do "sudo systemctl enable apache2.service" ?
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16:24<jcbjoe2021>Went away from Debian for a little distro hopping today in arch I had a zoom meeting and my mic didn't work. So mad about to switch to windows but I wanna give Debian another shot. Will Debian recognize my mic with the non free drivers/firmware?
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16:25<petn-randall>jcbjoe2021: Try it and see.
16:25<imMute>jcbjoe2021: if your hardware requires non-free firmware, then no.
16:25<imMute>jcbjoe2021: the only way to know that is to know precisely which hardware you have.
16:26<imMute>*easiest* way is as petn-randall said: try it and see.
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16:26<petn-randall>!live
16:26<dpkg>The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system (although the installer is better to use). Live images are available from http://www.debian.org/CD/live/ . https://www.debian.org/devel/debian-live/ #debian-live on irc.debian.org. See also <live firmware>. <UEFI> mode is supported by Debian Live images.
16:26<petn-randall>jcbjoe2021: You can try it out with the live images. ^^^
16:27<jcbjoe2021>Ok thanks I really don't abs go back to windows if I don't have to
16:28<jcbjoe2021>Want*
16:28<imMute>also, if you're not super pedantic about software freedom (which it sounds like you aren't if you are willing to touch windows) just install the non-free firmware
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16:28<petn-randall>imMute: Read the first message again, I don't think jcbjoe2021 wanted to avoid them.
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16:29<imMute>petn-randall: ah, I indeed misread that.
16:29<jcbjoe2021>I needed non free fir my WiFi ax201 forgot if my mic worked. I was on bullseyes like 3 days ago
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16:31<petn-randall>jcbjoe2021: It's usually easier to debug an issue than to reinstall to a new distro. I'm assuming you switched because something else didn't work in Debian.
16:32<jcbjoe2021>Nope always wanted to try arch on real hardware not a vm
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17:08<spawacz>petn-randall: all artifacts are gone after i installed firmware
17:08<spawacz>i dont know what am i going to do with that beast, it's loud as hell when running on 100% but it does job very fast with 24 cores :D
17:09<spawacz>and it takes roughly 2-3 minutes to reach grub, that's odd
17:10<Sqrt{Not}>some of those old beasts insist on doing hardware checks, and memory tests, before they even think about booting
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17:12<petn-randall>Yeah, some servers are slow as hell for the POST.
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17:15<Sqrt{Not}>sometimes there is a magic key you can press (e.g. tab) to make it show progress of its self tests
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17:54<ttok8>got an old Dell Inspiron 9400, upgrade Debian to 4.19.0-18-686-pae but now, cannot get my Broadcom BCM4311 802.11b/g WLAN driver (was wl on wlan0) loaded. Can you Gentlemen offer a helping hand?
17:56<sney>since you upgraded the kernel, you also need to upgrade the kernel headers, so that the wl driver can build for the new kernel
17:56<sney>assuming you're using the broadcom-sta-dkms package, this will happen automatically once you install the headers.
17:57<ttok8>Thanks, Sney. Not sure how to go about updating the headers. :(
17:58<somiaj>ttok8: you gave us the kernel, but what version of debian are you running?
17:58<somiaj>though should just be 'apt install linux-headers-686-pae'
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18:01<ttok8>BDebian uster 10
18:01<ttok8>buster 10
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18:03<somiaj>installing that meta package should work
18:03<ttok8>apt install showed the headers already installed
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18:04<sney>try 'dpkg-reconfigure broadcom-sta-dkms' and watch the output for any errors.
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18:09<ttok8>Sney, just ran the dpkg and no errors:
18:10<ttok8>root@debian:~# dpkg-reconfigure broadcom-sta-dkms
18:10<ttok8>-------- Uninstall Beginning --------
18:10<ttok8>Module: broadcom-sta
18:10<ttok8>Version: 6.30.223.271
18:10<ttok8>Kernel: 4.19.0-18-686-pae (i686)
18:10<ttok8>-------------------------------------
18:10-!-ttok8 was kicked from #debian by debchange [flood detected]
18:10-!-mode/#debian [+q *!*@68.151.2.98] by debchange
18:10<sney>sigh
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18:11<sney>!ops can we not auto-mute people for flooding? it's a bit hostile since the reason for floods is *almost always* this ^
18:11<dpkg>Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall, bremner: sney complains about a problem (see above)
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18:12<sney>ttok8: the bot has muted you temporarily, in the meantime you can paste the output to paste.debian.net
18:12<somiaj>The mute will go off in 3 mins
18:12-!-mode/#debian [+o somiaj] by ChanServ
18:12-!-mode/#debian [-q *!*@68.151.2.98] by somiaj
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18:13<somiaj>sney: actually wait, that +q and the kick were two different users...kinda distracted to sort it out
18:13<sney>somiaj: it's the same ip address
18:14<ttok8>Sney, sorry, fist time using chat
18:15<sney>I have to run, but paste the output to paste.debian.net (or pastebin.com or any other pastebin) and link here and someone will be able to help you continue troubleshooting
18:17<ttok8>did the paste. bottomline, dpkg-reconfigure broadcom-sta-dkms ran without error, but still cant bring up wlan0 interface
18:19<ttok8>thanks Sney
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18:21<ttok8>output of dpkg-reconfigure btoadcom-sta-dkms posted http://paste.debian.net/1223487/
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18:21<somiaj>if the module built okay, check 'lsmod | grep wl' is the module loaded?
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18:22<ttok8>module loaded;
18:22<ttok8>root@debian:~# lsmod|grep wl
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18:23<dvs>??
18:24<sarnold>why'd the bot +q earlier, but kick now?
18:24<dvs>four lines
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18:25<dvs>!paste
18:25<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>.
18:25<ttok8>noted
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18:25<somiaj>sarnold: there are two timers, one is a quick flood the other is a slow flood, the +q is for slow flood. Sometimes the bot gets confused and acts on both
18:26<sarnold>somiaj: ahhhh. that makes some sense.
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18:26<bremner>somiaj: feel free to drop by #debian-ops for discussion, probably better than !ops
18:28<dvs>bring offerings!
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20:57<jcbjoe2021>How do I test my microphone on a fresh install of Debian bullseye?
20:57<jcbjoe2021>Speakers work fine
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21:01<JordiGH>I install sound recorder.
21:02<JordiGH>Apparently gnome-sound-recorder
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21:03<somiaj>for most hardware you shouldn't have to do anything, but if you want to record somethign with your microphone, you need an application
21:03<somiaj>what are you trying to use your microphone for and what software are you using?
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21:06<kveroneau>If you just open up the Pulse Audio control program and switch to the "Input Devices" tab you can see the meter flutter.
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22:11<earendel>not so if you want to record something with your speaker
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22:23<plp_>Thanks for all the help earlier,
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22:25<plp_> apt search icecat doesn't show anything so does that mean it's not available on debian?
22:26<dvs>,v icecat
22:26<judd>No package named 'icecat' was found in amd64.
22:26<somiaj>debian doesn't rebrand or include rebranded firefox anymore
22:26<somiaj>debian has enough trouble supporting just firefox. Anyways, you'll have to build it yourself if you want unbranded firefox.
22:26<somiaj>or icecat
22:27<plp_>oh okay that makes sense
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23:18<_zxq9_>What is the default browser on desktop Debian these days then?
23:19<_zxq9_>Lately my Debian and Devuan systems are mostly servers. I had no idea FF was removed. heh
23:19<sney>firefox-esr
23:20<_zxq9_>ah
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23:20<sney>though that is having some issues right now too
23:20<sney>browsers are a bit of a nightmare from a maintenance standpoint
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23:20<_zxq9_>Indeed they are.
23:20<_zxq9_>Back when I was a packager for Fedora we had issues with several browser projects.
23:20<nr0q_radio>that's what I have on RHEL too, seems to be the one all the linuxes are using
23:21<_zxq9_>Especially ones that wanted all kinds of access that angered the SE system.
23:21<dawdwa>Hi can anyone help me with instalation and problem of no wifi drivers for intel 6e AX210 160 mhz adapter..
23:22<sney>AX210 support was added in 5.10, so you should just need firmware-iwlwifi if you are on bullseye or newer
23:22<_zxq9_>You need a guy whose full time job is making sure FF (and Chromium) work properly and don't get packaged in some really insane way that messes up the rest of the project (and this usually requires some packaging guideline exceptions, which is a high enough barrier to make this an undesirable issue to deal with).
23:22<sney>!non-free sources
23:22<dpkg>Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
23:22<sney>dawdwa: ^ do this, then 'apt install firmware-iwlwifi', then reboot.
23:24<dawdwa>I cant even install it during instalation it doesnt detect any wifi drivers and i have no ethernet port on my laptop so when i finish the instalation it just keeps bootlooping sayin Intel read version failed (-22)
23:25<sney>oh, this is a new install? do the install again, with the firmware image
23:25<sney>!firmware image
23:25<dpkg>There are <live> system and <netinst> and DVD images containing non-free Debian <firmware> packages available from https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current/amd64/iso-cd/ The images are "unofficial" because "official Debian" includes only 100% free software, but otherwise identical to the normal installer images and prepared by the same Debian Developers. See <check iso>, <old firmware images>.
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23:26<sney>dawdwa: do not private message people without asking. Keep all questions in the channel.
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23:27<dawdwa>Okay sorry thanks will try that
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23:36<Dwadwa>Sney do u mind if i pm u so i dont spam here?
23:36<sney>what did I just tell you
23:36<sney>if you need to paste multiple lines,
23:36<sney>!paste
23:36<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>.
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