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01:17 | <jcbjoe2021> | Ok thanks |
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02:18 | <dev> | why so many here |
02:18 | <dev> | ? |
02:18 | <dev> | anyone online? |
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05:10 | <printerhmm> | what printer just work on debian 11? ink printer (color) with scaner. if possibly just from repo free, or from repo non-free. I want to avoid installing vendor's software running then as root or whatever |
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05:24 | <colo> | printerhmm, most network printers these days have support for IPP (Internet Printing Protocol), and work "driverless". check out https://wiki.debian.org/CUPSDriverlessPrinting |
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05:26 | <colo> | fwiw, I've really come to like HP OfficeJet inkjets (anything using their four-color cartridge systems) over the last years. the ink is not the cheapest, but the overall quality is great. |
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05:33 | <printerhmm> | colo: and the scaner? "sane"? |
05:34 | <printerhmm> | I think some scientists are working on replacing printer ink with unicorn blood, so there's that |
05:34 | <colo> | printerhmm, I usually scan using the provided web appplication these days, but sane is supposed to also work |
05:34 | <colo> | hehe |
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08:09 | <trevorcory> | wiggity wack yo! |
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08:49 | <luna> | Testing out the 10.12 beta now |
08:50 | <sussudio> | why are you spamming this to 2 networks. |
08:50 | <g00se> | Some of you folks kindly helped out when I was messing with an old EEEPc. I had actually forgotten, it was so long ago, that I was never able to make either of the two internal SSDs boot, so had to install the bootloader on a SDHC card and boot from that. I'm wondering now whether some SSDs (maybe particularly NVMe ones) simply don't like it when they have old-style dos partitioning? |
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08:56 | <Sqrt{Not}> | %eeepc |
08:56 | <dselect> | The Eee PC (aka RM Asus Minibook) is a <netbook> designed by Asus. Linux models are supplied with <Xandros> which is not supported in #debian. To install Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC for installation and configuration details. Mailing lists: http://alioth.debian.org/mail/?group_id=31309 #debian-eeepc on irc.oftc.net. |
08:57 | <Sqrt{Not}> | that doesn't look like a very new factoid...for one thing alioth is long gone...but maybe some useful info buried in there somewhere. |
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09:04 | <g00se> | Right. I'm actually at this moment more interested in the general problem, rather than it in the context of the EEEPc |
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09:11 | <g00se> | Maybe I've invented the fact that SSDs have a problem with mbr booting |
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09:15 | <maxzor> | on testing, lld points to lld-11, I installed manually lld-13 and cmake does not find it. Any clue? |
09:15 | <maxzor> | I tried hacking my way with a custom lld package but I did not manage |
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09:18 | <Sqrt{Not}> | maxzor, sounds bold....better answers for testing in #debian-next |
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09:37 | <xubuntu> | how are u |
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09:38 | <maxzor> | Is there a utility that detects kernel panics and send them to the linux team? |
09:38 | <maxzor> | I suppose it was a panic, could not REISUB |
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10:58 | <ross`> | Can someone help me figure out why wget2 doesn't seem compatible with proxychains4? If I run this command without proxychains it runs fine, if I use proxychains with wget it works aswell: proxychains -f proxychains.conf wget2 --no-proxy -m https://eer.im |
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10:59 | <petn-randall> | ross`: What error do you get when you run that? |
10:59 | <ross`> | petn-randall: none, silent fail. The last line it shows is: [proxychains] DLL init: proxychains-ng 4.15 |
10:59 | <ross`> | It shows the same 3 lines that get displayed at the top of working versions |
11:01 | <debfsc> | Where do I find the error logs of the standard graphical wlan connection tool that comes with gnome in a regular bullseye installation? Gives me a failed to activate network connection error. |
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11:02 | <petn-randall> | debfsc: That would be network-manager, which you can see in /var/log/daemon.log (for all daemons), or specifically for n-m by running `journalctl -u NetworkManager`. |
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11:03 | <petn-randall> | ross`: Is there a reason you're using proxychains instead of wget's proxy parameter? |
11:03 | <ross`> | petn-randall: ya, random pool |
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11:10 | <debfsc> | petn-randall: thanks. |
11:10 | <debfsc> | exit |
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12:39 | <debianfuckyou> | Hello! So i tried to install debian sid because i know debian stable has only old packages and i wanted to be a little bit up to date you know. so i went to the website mirrors, the steps that you can see on the website. Downloaded the netboot iso. The image failed installing. |
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12:40 | <debianfuckyou> | Hello! So i tried to install debian sid because i know debian stable has only old packages and i wanted to be a little bit up to date you know. so i went to the website mirrors, the steps that you can see on the website. Downloaded the netboot iso. The image failed installing. |
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12:49 | <RichSPK> | I thought I'd plug my phone into the line-in jack so I could listen to podcasts through my computer speakers while I work. I managed to get it working, but it doesn't respond to the system volume slider. I have to open the audio mixer and adjust the volume for input devices. What am I doing wrong? |
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12:54 | <XileX> | So you're piping your microphone input (pc mic) directly to output? |
12:55 | <zoke> | RichSPK: system volume slider affects output volume. And since it's clearly an issue of the line-in volume you need to adjust that just as you do using some audio mixer |
12:55 | <RichSPK> | Apparently. Though, to be clear, I'm using the line-in jack on the back of my computer, not the mic input on the front panel. |
12:56 | <zoke> | usually one would set the phone volume to max when pluggin it in to a line-in |
12:56 | <zoke> | I assume this is done |
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12:57 | <popsmoke> | why does my spotify have no icon in the bottom taskbar ? |
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12:58 | <RichSPK> | The phone volume isn't set at maximum, but it's close. Regardless, is there a way I can adjust all my output volumes together without having to use different mixer sliders? |
12:58 | <zoke> | line-in is not an output volume... it's an input |
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13:00 | <RichSPK> | In other words, no? |
13:00 | <wyre_> | thank you somiaj 😉 |
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13:00 | <zoke> | RichSPK: you can always check for a suitable extension if you're using gnome |
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13:06 | <RichSPK> | zoke: Thanks. I scrolled through the GDE section in Synaptic and didn't see anything that looked helpful. |
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13:07 | <aloo_shu> | system volume might be the fader affecting system sounds, like terminal beeps, alarms, notifications, RichSPK . you're looking for a master vokume, either you find that in the output tab, or alternatively, you could open a terminal, type alsamixer [enter], use F6 and select card, F5 to see all controls |
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13:10 | <aloo_shu> | navigation is with arrow keys mostly |
13:10 | <RichSPK> | aloo_shu: I have a master volume slider, but it doesn't affect volume from input devices, apparently. I messed around with alsamixer a little initially, but what I really want is a master volume slider that affects everything coming through my computer speakers. |
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13:14 | <zoke> | RichSPK: have a look at https://extensions.gnome.org/ |
13:15 | <aloo_shu> | RichSPK: than either, the faders you're moving, are not for the card that is playing back the audio, or your card is having its own hw routing that can bypass the computer (but may still obey controls). I'd use the F6 select card option in alsamixer in order to rule out that I'm moving controls for the wrong card |
13:15 | <aloo_shu> | then* |
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13:37 | <RichSPK> | zoke and aloo_shu, thanks for the help. I'm going to take a break from this for a bit. |
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17:10 | <jcbjoe2021> | basic question but i got to ask, on my vps firefox is being upgraded, how do i find the diffrence between the one installed and one being upgraded is there an option for this? |
17:12 | <jcbjoe2021> | im wondering if its aptitude? |
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17:16 | <jcbjoe2021> | aptitude -V -s install firefox-esr |
17:16 | <bremner> | maybe you want "aptitude changelog firefox-esr" |
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17:19 | <towo`> | the other question is, what is firefox doing on a vps? |
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17:25 | <bremner> | stress testing it :) |
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18:02 | <jcbjoe2021> | lol |
18:02 | <jcbjoe2021> | towo`: i really don't know i just did an upgrade and i saw it, im like i won't ever see it 0_o |
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18:03 | <somiaj> | firefox-esr security update finally hit, which updated it to the new esr branch |
18:04 | <somiaj> | You can subscribe to the debian-security-announce mailing list to get mails about when security fixes hit debian |
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18:19 | <tagomago> | thx for the heads up |
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18:31 | <dvinci99> | hi there. have an issue with my installed debian testing non-free. i cant update, nor install a desktop environment from bash |
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18:32 | <dvinci99> | is it required to go with the stable iso first and edit the sources afterwards? |
18:32 | <somiaj> | dvinci99: debian testing support is in #debian-next, but before you go there make sure to collect the following information to share with the users there in a paste |
18:32 | <somiaj> | !bat |
18:32 | <dpkg> | [Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>. |
18:33 | <somiaj> | In general if you don't know how to upgrade to testing, it is suggested you run stable. But yes the prefered method is upgrade from a stable minimial system |
18:33 | <dvinci99> | alright, thanks. |
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19:13 | <dvinci99> | after a fresh install of debian stable nonfree i still get the error with deb.debian.org/debian/pool. any idea whats causing this? |
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19:14 | <Sqrt{Not}> | what error, dvinci99 ? |
19:15 | <dvinci99> | hard to tell because its in german |
19:15 | <Sqrt{Not}> | even harder for us to tell, when it's secret |
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19:15 | <dvinci99> | lemme think.. |
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19:17 | <Sqrt{Not}> | !localized errors |
19:17 | <dpkg> | To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install". |
19:17 | <dvinci99> | after i type "install xfce4" for example everything seems to be okay. but after i confirm with "y" to install, im getting "error receiving http://deb.debian.org/pool/main/blablabla |
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19:19 | <Sqrt{Not}> | dvinci99, can you repeat the command and error, with the localized advice the robot gave above, and show us the command and the error output in a pastebin, please? |
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19:19 | <dvinci99> | at the end of the error in every row it shows me up "error resolving >>deb.debian.org<< |
19:19 | <Sqrt{Not}> | ahh, ok, that is more specific |
19:20 | <dvinci99> | i tried the command of the robot. but nothing changed. do i have to restart? |
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19:21 | <Sqrt{Not}> | you need to put that LC_ALL=C in front of each command you want to see in english... but let/s ask about what you already told us. |
19:22 | <dvinci99> | ah i get it |
19:22 | <Sqrt{Not}> | is this install on a "bare-metal" machine, or in some container or VM or VPS or anything? |
19:22 | <dvinci99> | so the bash says "failed to fetch http://deb.debian.org/debian/pool/xxxx |
19:23 | <dvinci99> | Temporary failure resolving 'deb.debian.org' |
19:23 | <dvinci99> | it is freshly installed on a thinkpad |
19:23 | <dvinci99> | had the same error with the testing iso |
19:23 | <Sqrt{Not}> | are you behind some firewall, or did you install a firewall? |
19:24 | <dvinci99> | nope |
19:24 | <dvinci99> | i just ran the installation without any DE's |
19:24 | <dvinci99> | just the system tools. |
19:24 | <petn-randall> | dvinci99: What are the contents of your /etc/resolv.conf? |
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19:25 | <petn-randall> | And is the laptop connected to the internet? |
19:25 | <dvinci99> | just nameserver (my ip) |
19:25 | <petn-randall> | Does `ping google.de` work? |
19:25 | <dvinci99> | nope. but i was sure that it is connected |
19:26 | <dvinci99> | how do i check the connection? |
19:26 | <petn-randall> | dvinci99: Then your solution is finding out why the internet connection doesn't work. |
19:26 | <petn-randall> | dvinci99: Did you install a desktop environment? |
19:26 | <Sqrt{Not}> | does "ping 8.8.8.8" work? |
19:27 | <dvinci99> | no, i didnt |
19:27 | <dvinci99> | does not work. seems like i totally missed that |
19:27 | <dvinci99> | is there no bash tool to set up wifi? |
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19:28 | <petn-randall> | dvinci99: Do you intend to use a DE or regularly switch networks with that laptop? |
19:28 | <petn-randall> | (there are several way to set up the network, each with their own drawbacks) |
19:28 | <dvinci99> | i intend to use a DE |
19:29 | <petn-randall> | Then use nmcli (a CLI tool for network-manager) to configure the wifi. But it's usually easier if you already have the DE installed, too. |
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19:32 | <dvinci99> | nmcli does not work |
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19:33 | <Sqrt{Not}> | %does not work |
19:33 | <dselect> | "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>. |
19:34 | <dvinci99> | i type in nmcli, that does not work. "not found". |
19:36 | <Sqrt{Not}> | what network software did you install when you installed this system? |
19:37 | <Sqrt{Not}> | what installer image did you use to install this machine? |
19:39 | <petn-randall> | dvinci99: I recommend you reinstall and set up the wifi in the installer, then install your DE, too. That way it'll all work out of the box when you boot into your fresh install. |
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19:39 | <petn-randall> | dvinci99: It's a lot easier than trying to figure out which tools are installed on your system to set up wifi. |
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20:53 | <truth2> | Which package has a data file that lists U.S. state names with their 2 letter abbreviations? |
20:54 | <truth2> | For example, it would explain that "FL" is the abbreviation of "Florida". |
20:54 | <somiaj> | There might not be one, why not just use a search engine and create one yourself? |
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20:54 | <somiaj> | There could be one, but I don't know of any or what to search for |
20:57 | <somiaj> | apt search abbreviation didn't really turn anything useful up. Myabe 'miscfiles', it has similar stuff, but I don't think it has exactly what you are looking for |
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21:01 | <truth2> | somiaj, Thanks. /usr/share/doc/miscfiles/README points to it in /usr/share/misc/na.postalcodes.gz. |
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21:04 | <somiaj> | oh nice, the long descirption didn't make it clear if something like that was there. |
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21:31 | <enigma9o7[m]> | Hello and good evening. While performing sudo apt update to 11.2, I got an error while processing 24-firmware-linux-free_20200122-1_all.deb |
21:33 | <enigma9o7[m]> | The terminal output is at paste.debian.net/1224121 |
21:34 | <enigma9o7[m]> | I've never encoutnered such an error beforeso not sure what I should look into.... |
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21:41 | <Sqrt{Not}> | enigma9o7[m], I wonder if one of your disks is full maybe? |
21:42 | <enigma9o7[m]> | lots of free space... |
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21:43 | <Sqrt{Not}> | where is /tmp mounted? |
21:44 | <enigma9o7[m]> | I only use one partition, not sure I understand the question... |
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21:45 | <alex11> | hi i had some Confusing Stuff happen with the firefox-esr and right now when i click a link it won't open in firefox-esr 91 ("firefox is already running..." despite it apparently being set as the default browser |
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21:49 | <Sqrt{Not}> | enigma9o7[m], I suspect /tmp is mounted as a tmpfs file system, not on disk. thus limited by memory/swap |
21:49 | <enigma9o7[m]> | how do i check that? |
21:50 | <somiaj> | alex11: you probably just need to restart your browser after the firefox-esr upgrade today |
21:50 | <Sqrt{Not}> | enigma9o7[m], try this: mount | grep /tmp |
21:51 | <enigma9o7[m]> | not there... |
21:51 | <enigma9o7[m]> | (no output) |
21:51 | <alex11> | link for testing purposes www.duckduckgo.com |
21:51 | <alex11> | ok yeah fixed it |
21:53 | <enigma9o7[m]> | the ungrepped outfrom from mount is paste.debian.net/1224124 if that gives you any clues... |
21:54 | <somiaj> | I'm still wondering why there is a deb located in /tmp, they usually download to /var/cache/apt/archive/ -- or is this something new with how apt deals with things? |
21:54 | <enigma9o7[m]> | probably because I was in /tmp when I ran it.... |
21:54 | <enigma9o7[m]> | maybe it just uses whatever folder Im in? |
21:54 | <bremner> | I think it has to do with sandboxing |
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21:56 | <enigma9o7[m]> | nah what i said not right i dont think i was in /tmp and if that were the case it wouldnt work if i ran updates from places i didnt have permission to write |
21:56 | <somiaj> | enigma9o7[m]: it is probably just a change in apt I haven't seen before |
21:56 | <enigma9o7[m]> | and there were like 40 packages that updated, its only that firmware one that complained |
21:56 | <somiaj> | maybe corrupted file somehow, maybe try to reinstall it? |
21:56 | <somiaj> | unfourntally the there is really no info on what the error was |
21:57 | <somiaj> | but it appears it was at teh preapring and unpacking part, so maybe just some corruption in the .deb file |
21:59 | <Sqrt{Not}> | enigma9o7[m], what does `df /tmp` have to say? |
21:59 | <enigma9o7[m]> | df /tmp |
21:59 | <enigma9o7[m]> | doh |
21:59 | <enigma9o7[m]> | sorry i thought iw as in a terminal |
22:00 | <enigma9o7[m]> | /dev/sdb2 114310308 14584240 93873244 14% / |
22:01 | <Sqrt{Not}> | OK, that should be enough space ;) |
22:03 | <enigma9o7[m]> | Hmmm to try reinstall I guess I need to figure out which package that debfile corresponds to |
22:03 | <enigma9o7[m]> | or just install the entire list of things that were being upgraded |
22:03 | <ach> | apt clean? |
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22:05 | <Sqrt{Not}> | looks like it was firmware-linux-free |
22:05 | <ach> | apt clean apt upgrade |
22:07 | <enigma9o7[m]> | indeed thats it, i was looking at the update list, not the newly installed list! and it still fails. paste.debian.net/1224125 |
22:07 | <Sqrt{Not}> | enigma9o7[m], since you did sudo apt upgrade, you have permission, as root, to write everyplace |
22:07 | <enigma9o7[m]> | ah yeah |
22:07 | <enigma9o7[m]> | of course |
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22:08 | <enigma9o7[m]> | and this time it didntuse /tmp anyway, used /var/cahce/apt/archives |
22:08 | <enigma9o7[m]> | oh wait that means it used the same deb package, maybe i need to force a new download.... |
22:08 | <enigma9o7[m]> | something i've never had to do before either but probably possible |
22:09 | <sney> | delete the deb on disk and it'll redownload |
22:09 | <enigma9o7[m]> | although iw ould expect apt would use some kinda verification/hash/something to make sure what it downloads was valid |
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22:09 | <somiaj> | that actually gave some useful output |
22:09 | <Sqrt{Not}> | what is this package "linux-firmware" that it is conflicting with? where did that come from? |
22:09 | <somiaj> | ,v linux-firmware |
22:09 | <judd> | No package named 'linux-firmware' was found in amd64. |
22:10 | <somiaj> | Yea, you ahve some package from outside of debian it appears causing a conflict |
22:10 | <somiaj> | output of apt policy linux-firmware |
22:11 | <enigma9o7[m]> | im on i386, and it says its from /var/lib/dpkg/status |
22:11 | <enigma9o7[m]> | it doesnt show a repo |
22:11 | <enigma9o7[m]> | but that is indeed the problem apperantly |
22:11 | <enigma9o7[m]> | thanks! |
22:12 | <somiaj> | that just means local installed, and you got that package from somewhere |
22:13 | <Sqrt{Not}> | ,v linux-firmare --arch i386 |
22:13 | <judd> | No package named 'linux-firmare' was found in i386. |
22:13 | <Sqrt{Not}> | ,v linux-firmware --arch i386 |
22:13 | <judd> | No package named 'linux-firmware' was found in i386. |
22:13 | <enigma9o7[m]> | I think I know what happened now, it is because I was tried to install linux mint's update manager and it's completely my fault, thanks so much for help |
22:13 | <enigma9o7[m]> | I did dumb things at one point, I think i added lmde repo or something. |
22:13 | <somiaj> | I even searched on snapshot, there was no package by that name in debian's history I can see |
22:13 | <enigma9o7[m]> | but gone now, and this is exactly why not supposed to do such things |
22:14 | <somiaj> | apt list ~o -- this will list all obslete packages, that is packages that cannot be installed from your current sources |
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22:15 | <enigma9o7[m]> | ah cool command thanks somiaj |
22:16 | <Sqrt{Not}> | that opensuse repo might cause problems down the line also ? |
22:16 | <enigma9o7[m]> | nah thats palemoon only |
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22:17 | <enigma9o7[m]> | very important for my young daughetrs to be able to play flash games on the junie b jones website |
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22:19 | <enigma9o7[m]> | It wasnt mintupdate when I messed things up, I now figured out what I did. IT was when I was trying to get waydroid running, and needed kernel with ashmem and binder, which isnt in debian i386 kernel, so i used ubuntu kernel, which required that firmware. |
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22:19 | <enigma9o7[m]> | but all fixed now |
22:21 | <somiaj> | enigma9o7[m]: I'd just install google-chrome for flash, though totally expect flash to just be gone from everywhere soon |
22:21 | <raven523> | I thought even chrome got rid of flash |
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22:21 | <somiaj> | in general no one can support you mixing things like that |
22:22 | <somiaj> | raven523: Did they finally get rid of it. Last I used it a couple of years ago it was still there, but maybe they finally ditched it |
22:22 | <raven523> | it reached end of life sometime in late 2019 or 2020 |
22:23 | <somiaj> | My knowledge keeps getting out dated with stuff I don't use. I just know last time I needed flash google-chrome still had it, but that could have been 2018-19ish |
22:24 | <enigma9o7[m]> | yeah no more flash in google chrome, its officially EOL. |
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22:47 | <userT> | Is it that apt whole command/program is actually just a "wrapper" for apt-get, apt-cache, and others? |
22:48 | <drwarner> | so I saw this in my dmesg output: "process '/bin/monerod' started with executable stack" however I don't have anything-monero installed. the file /bin/monerod doesn't appear to exist post-boot. How boned am I? |
22:48 | <userT> | BTW, "apt moo" gives the usual "cow" output same as apt-get |
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22:49 | <somiaj> | userT: basically. |
22:49 | <somiaj> | drwarner: lsinitramfs can be used to see if that was in your initramfs |
22:50 | <somiaj> | ,v monerod |
22:50 | <judd> | No package named 'monerod' was found in amd64. |
22:50 | <somiaj> | ,v monero |
22:50 | <judd> | Package: monero on amd64 -- bookworm: 0.17.2.0+~0+20200826-1; bullseye: 0.17.2.0+~0+20200826-1; sid: 0.17.2.0+~0+20200826-1 |
22:50 | <somiaj> | drwarner: ^^ that contains /usr/bin/monerod, and due to usrmerge /bin/monerod will also launch that file |
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22:53 | <drwarner> | that's great, except it is not installed |
22:54 | <somiaj> | well check if it is in your initramfs |
22:54 | <drwarner> | hm, that's a good idea. |
22:54 | <somiaj> | did you ever install that package, you can check /var/log/apt/history.log for that |
22:57 | <somiaj> | ,i monero |
22:57 | <judd> | Package monero (utils, optional) in bullseye/amd64: cryptocoin client for Monero network - daemon and tools. Version: 0.17.2.0+~0+20200826-1; Size: 18910.9k; Installed: 98607k; Homepage: https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/#cli |
22:57 | <somiaj> | note it seems to be a crytocoin wallet, something you mess with? |
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23:12 | <drwarner> | nothing in my initramfs either. |
23:12 | <drwarner> | I have in the past, never on this PC. |
23:13 | <drwarner> | I'm concerned that I've been somehow compromised, but if I have I need to track it down. I've got almost a dozen different linux instances on the same network, so if it's on this I expect it's on other things too |
23:14 | <drwarner> | Ah hah! I have a snap with it installed! |
23:16 | <drwarner> | how on earth it could be launched that early is beyond me. If it was installed legitimately, I would expect it to show up when looking for it with terminal commands, but at least I know the source now |
23:16 | <somiaj> | probably installed some systemd service |
23:16 | <somiaj> | it is a daemon so that seems reasonable for such a thing |
23:18 | <drwarner> | oh even weirder, it's a release from 2017 that doesn't work today - and I got this laptop in 2020 |
23:18 | <somiaj> | well snaps are thrid party, maybe they just haven't updated the snap since then |
23:19 | <userT> | somiaj: so just a wrapper? |
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23:20 | <userT> | ? |
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23:22 | <sney> | userT: apt is a binary tool that uses libapt-pkg6.0 like the other apt tools. none of them are wrappers for each other, but they do have a lot of functional overlap. |
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23:26 | <drwarner> | tracked it down for sure. another user installed the snap, a beta release at that, which hasn't since been updated. It's (thankfully) not a compromise. |
23:27 | <drwarner> | thank you for your suggestions. I would not have been successful in tracking it down without them |
23:27 | <userT> | sney: ...I thought the "original" tools were apt-get, apt-cache, and "apt" was just a binary gathering the former two functions in order to simplify stuff... |
23:28 | <sney> | that's kind of true too. apt-get and apt-cache are useful for scripting, while apt is more intended for end-user friendliness/usefulness |
23:28 | <sney> | still no wrappers though :) |
23:28 | <drwarner> | apt was born out of the Ubuntu dev team iirc |
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23:31 | <userT> | sney: ......Why isn't apt made suitable for scripting? I also thought apt was also possibly meant for apt-get/cache long/mid-term substitute... |
23:32 | <sney> | as you see if you pipe apt output to grep or anything else, "WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts." |
23:32 | <sney> | they are still working on it, presumably. |
23:32 | <sney> | maybe someday it'll replace the other tools, but I suspect that (like aptitude) they'll all stick around as options for people to choose among |
23:33 | <userT> | ... |
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23:38 | <somiaj> | userT: problem with making something for scripting is it needs a very stable interface. apt wants to be able evolve and improve its interface, output, etc |
23:38 | <userT> | Oh |
23:38 | <somiaj> | hence part of why apt was created,t o allow apt-get to be able to keep a stable interface to use with scripts, and allow a nicer looking (such as color, progress bar) interface for users |
23:40 | <userT> | Then in general what should I better use in your opinion? Apt, or apt-get/cache? |
23:40 | <sney> | as a user, apt |
23:40 | <somiaj> | if you need to write scripts, use apt-get, apt-cache, etc |
23:40 | <sney> | unless you need high powered searching or dependency resolution, in which case aptitude |
23:41 | <somiaj> | though apt list (man apt-patterns) has a good portion of aptitude search flags |
23:41 | <sney> | (some of aptitude's patterns were added to apt recently, but I find it's never the ones I want) |
23:41 | <somiaj> | Yea, might take a few more generations to get more compadability |
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23:41 | <somiaj> | the hardest part for me was getting use to apt list (vs apt search which won't use the patterns) |
23:42 | <nr0q_radio> | I use apt-get/cache a lot for installing and updating PO sckages within docker images where I can cache what I do in one to all the Dockers I run later in a build chain. works fantastic for that |
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23:43 | <somiaj> | yea apt won't keep .deb's around by default, though this is configurable |
23:43 | <somiaj> | but that is the reason their are two tools, each has its use in different use cases |
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23:48 | <userT> | Can I use regex with apt? |
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23:49 | <lhvf> | Hello to Everyone! By following the conversation here →: < https://irclogs.thegrebs.com/debian/2021/12/19 >, I can tell that 'Snap' packaged images are in some way proprietary software based from Canonical. Flatpak images, instead, are from Open Source.part based. |
23:50 | <sney> | userT: not exactly, see man apt-patterns |
23:50 | <userT> | Ok |
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23:54 | <lhvf> | [...] from Open Source, *part* based [...] (..typo ) |
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