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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-12-21

---Logopened Tue Dec 21 00:00:35 2021
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00:51<luvsiete>REGISTRE luvenegas@protomail.com
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00:51<luvsiete> REGISTER luvenegas@protonmail.com
00:52<Unit193>luvsiete: See /msg nickserv help register
00:52<Unit193>You're currently sending those messages to a channel, so it's public.
00:52<luvsiete>MSG luv7kord hi
00:54<luvsiete>#kali-linux
00:54<luvsiete>+1
00:54<luvsiete>+i
00:56-!-luvsiete is now known as luv7777
00:58<luv7777>no le entiendo mucho ya perdi practica
00:59<luv7777>+commanf
00:59<luv7777>help
00:59<luv7777>!help
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01:01<luv7777>!chanel list
01:01<luv7777>!list
01:01<dpkg>luv7777: vedi http://packages.debian.org/
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01:03<sney>luv7777: eso es https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Relay_Chat , puedes descubrir otras canales en https://netsplit.de
01:03<sney>aqui no es para kali, y no es para probar, por favor vaya a algo otro canal
01:04<luv7777>oki va
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05:15<Konomi>so I've got an odd problem, if I boot windows on this motherboard either in mbr or uefi mode the bios time doesn't get reset but if I boot to even just the bootloader grub in this case the bios clock is reset, anyone have any ideas on what might cause that?
05:16<at0m>Konomi: like different apparent timezone? https://wiki.debian.org/DateTime#Hardware_clock_and_system_time_when_dual_booting
05:16<Konomi>No completely reset
05:17<at0m>like years back to when bios was created?
05:17<Konomi>Yeah as in 01/01/2020 in this case
05:17<at0m>there's a battery on the motherboard that might be nearing the end of its life? though 2020 seems very recent
05:18<Konomi>But I don't have to boot into Debian all the way just booting into grub then Ctrl+alt+del and checking the BIOS has the time reset
05:18<Konomi>Its only when booting linux
05:18<at0m>those batteries go in the order of 5-10y usually
05:18<Konomi>Set it turned the computer off left it half an hour came back all fine
05:18<Konomi>It's just Linux or grub
05:18<at0m>hmm i don't know of what could be causing that. someone else maybe?
05:18<Konomi>Soon as I boot grub it resets the BIOS clock somehow
05:19<Konomi>I'll test some other distros to see if grub version or uefi booting changes anything but its really strange
05:20<at0m>Konomi: live .iso could do
05:21<Konomi>It doesn't impact the system badly because ntp fetches the correct date but it's annoying
05:21<Konomi>I'm not ruling out poor BIOS design on behalf of gigabyte either
05:22<at0m>bootloader shouldnt affect time in any way in the first place
05:22<at0m>that's indeed for the BIOS to remember, and for OS ntp proggies to keep uptodate
05:23<jm_>heh I had issues with grub and gigabyte in the past too - if you let grub boot linux without touching anything it worked, as soon as you pressed a key to stop it and then select linux boot entry, linux would not boot
05:23<jm_>on two different generation GB boards too
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05:26<Konomi>yeah no gigabyte next time
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05:26<Konomi>oddly I didn't have this problem or any other problem on my previous board
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05:26<Konomi>unfortuantly same story from support "we only support windows"
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05:29<Konomi>I miss old bios, uefi is over complicated and messy
05:32<Konomi>after all the troubles I've had with my desktop pc and the troubles my partner has had think I am over them, might just get a small all in one in the future
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05:46<acnn>Good morning, can someone help me translate what this message means... Auth: [winbind,NTLM_AUTH, nss_winbind, 3710] user [DOMAIN]\[bck111] at [Tue, 21 Dec 2021 01:00:09.628176 WET] with [NTLMv2] status [NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED] workstation [DC01] remote host [unix:] mapped to [(null)]\[(null)]. local host [unix:]
05:46<acnn>his my local system trying to map the remote end to a incorrect account on local linux?
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05:51<Konomi>So I live booted a copy of arch I have that can do MBR or uefi same issue time reset newer grub newer kernel do just going to presume gigabyte is crap
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05:55<jm_>you could perhaps try an alternative boot loader
05:56<Konomi>I don't really want to go to those sort of lengths when ntp will fix it up anyway
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07:37<solemnwarning>Hello all
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07:39<solemnwarning>I've been trying to figure out the best practises for handling key distribution and revocation in a 3rd-party APT repository. Having an xxx-archive-keyring package as done by the official repos seems best, but is there any best practise to ensure it gets installed on someone's machine once the set the repo up, besides having "apt-get install foo-archive-keyring" as part of your setup instructions?
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07:48<petn-randall>solemnwarning: Usual way is to just tell users to add a line in their sources.list, and import the key. You can of course provide a .deb that adds a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/foo.list, and add the key to /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/foo.asc or foo.gpg, which also works fine.
07:49<petn-randall>solemnwarning: If they purge the package the foo.list and key will be removed.
07:49<solemnwarning>I've already got "import this key" as part of my setup instructions... planning on reworking my signing/release pipeline and having proper key revocation just in case would be nice
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07:50<solemnwarning>(My "pipeline" right now is "run a script on a dedicated box that just does the builds/signing, and sometimes it even boots)
07:52<solemnwarning>Also I was planning on moving to having a key under /usr/share/keyrings/ rather than in the trusted keyring as is the style now: https://wiki.debian.org/DebianRepository/UseThirdParty#Sources.list_entry
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10:04<linearain>hi, is it safe to downgrade kernel is buster to some kernel version from debian 9?
10:04<linearain>headless
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10:05<petn-randall>linearain: Try it and see, though I'd stick with the stock kernel of the release unless you have good reasons to downgrade.
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10:05<enigma9o7[m]>Its fairly safe, because if it doesnt work, you can select the previous kernel in grub.
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10:06<ChickenTedies>yo
10:06<petn-randall>hey ChickenTedies
10:06<ChickenTedies>what up
10:07<linearain>my network card driver is crashing from time to time, "r8169 queue timed out
10:07<linearain>i have read older kernels can solve it
10:07<enigma9o7[m]>In fact I think by default it'll work the other way, until you completely remove the newer kernel (or reconfigure grub) it'll keep booting the higher version number kernel anyway; you'll have to specfiically select he older one.
10:07<petn-randall>ChickenTedies: Debian support.
10:09<enigma9o7[m]>I think buster has 4.19 normally and has 5.10 or 5.11 in backports too right? I'd try both of those before you experiment with version from older debian....
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10:10<linearain>This is for older hardware with pentium 4, i thought maybe an older kernel would work with it more smoothly
10:10<enigma9o7[m]>and you're probably right, just easier and can't hurt to try what's already available
10:11<enigma9o7[m]>for the record tho, I have pentium 4 running bullseye with default kernel
10:11<enigma9o7[m]>but as you siad its some network driver
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10:12<linearain>enigma9o7[m], socket 478?
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10:14<enigma9o7[m]>https://i.imgur.com/I6pAP3w.jpg Yes 478 sounds right, theres some inxi info fyi.
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10:18<linearain>enigma9o7[m], looks like similar chipset
10:20<linearain>i guess i just have to do testing and more testing
10:20<linearain>one thing i noticed, your kernel is not PAE, mine is PAE for some reason
10:21<linearain>I don't understand if PAE kernel is needed for 32-bit systems with less than 4GB of ram?
10:21<enigma9o7[m]>It is not, and thats why I siwtched to non PAE.
10:22<enigma9o7[m]>IT's only useful to use PAE kernel if you have 4GB or more.
10:22<linearain>does swap care about PAE or is PAE only for physical ram?
10:23<linearain>can i have 2GB of ram and 4GB of swap, with a non-pae kernel?
10:23<enigma9o7[m]>good question, dunno actually.
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10:29<linearain>i also have a strange issue happen after several months of uptime, one specific program crashes, systemd is unable to restart it, the whole system becomes sluggish and gets stuck if i try to reboot, systemd becomes broken, other things still work pretty well... But I have to do REISUO to fix it... I also just thought about using an old version of debian without systemd, or maybe even install sysvinit on buster, which i did manage to
10:29<linearain>install once. I guess it's still possible for a headless install
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10:48<FelixActually>If I get the "too many arguments" error when trying to use the copy command and all I have as an argument is --recursive, could it be that the wildcard is returning too many matches? I don't understand why else it would fail
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11:02<nr0q_radio>FelixActually, what was the command you had (obfuscate the path if you need)
11:03<FelixActually>cp --recursive */*.txt [directory to copy to]
11:04<FelixActually>It's worked once with jpg as the file extension but I tried with txt and png and it gives the "too many arguments" error
11:04<nr0q_radio>might try cp --recursive ./*/*.txt [dir to copy to]
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11:04<FelixActually>What would the ./ do?
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11:06<enigma9o7[m]>your goal is to only copy text files from subdirs, not from the dir you're in, on purpose?
11:07<enigma9o7[m]>cuz otherwise just `cp -r *.txt <destfolder>` should be ok no?
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11:08<FelixActually>In the directory I'm in there's only folders
11:08<FelixActually>In those folders are files
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11:09<FelixActually>But would that fix the "too many arguments" thing?
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11:11<linearain>i think --recursive takes folders, and you're giving it filenames
11:11<FelixActually>So I need to not have recursive?
11:12<enigma9o7[m]>I got nothing from the command I suggested, but nr0q's gets a lot of `cp: will not overwrite just-created` blah blah
11:13<zoke>find . -type f -iname "*.txt" -print0 | xargs -0 -I{} cp {} <dest-folder>
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11:13*nr0q_radio ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
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11:14<linearain>you don't need --recursive
11:14<FelixActually>Could having it be causing it to fail?
11:14<FelixActually>Since it doesn't work
11:15<linearain>to me your command doesn't make much sense
11:15<zoke>if you need to copy files from subdirs use find
11:16<FelixActually>I don't get why it's not working now though
11:16<FelixActually>Because the command worked with jpg
11:16<FelixActually>Pretty sure I had --recursive there too
11:16<FelixActually>But maybe I didn't
11:16<zoke>the error was to many arguments?
11:16<FelixActually>Yes
11:16<FelixActually>But I didn't get that before
11:16<zoke>bash expands all wildcards...
11:16<nr0q_radio>this is where putting it in a script helps a lot, makes it repeatable, consistent and you remember what you did
11:17<FelixActually>I thought I'd copied exactly what command I used into a text file
11:17<zoke>you simply have to many files... use the find | xarg solution
11:17<zoke>it will work everytime
11:17<zoke>regardless of how many files there are
11:17<FelixActually>Why are there too many files for cp but I can use that find thing and it'll work?
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11:18<nr0q_radio>what they are saying is find works better when you have subdirs
11:18<nr0q_radio>it's finding all the files in each subdir and passing that list on to cp to do the actual copying
11:18<zoke>xargs takes care of the "too many args"-part by running the 'cp' command as many times as it takes
11:19<FelixActually>Okay
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11:21<zoke>if you need to preserve directory stucture on the target you should have a look at rsync and it's filter options
11:22<FelixActually>Luckily I just need to copy all files matching an extension from a lot of folders into one folder
11:22<zoke>then 'find' is the way to go
11:22<FelixActually>Okay
11:23<zoke>posted the command you want 10 min ago in case you missed it
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11:24<FelixActually>Yeah, I saw it
11:24<FelixActually>Thanks
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12:09<Whitemoor>How, if at all, can I inhibit power savings when Clementine is playing?
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12:10<towo`>xset s off && xset -dpms?
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12:11<Whitemoor>That's se them just plain off, I guess. Any way to relate them to the state of Clementine?
12:12<towo`>if clementine doesn't provide such setting, how should it be done?
12:12<Whitemoor>Partly my question... indeed, it doesn't seem to
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12:17<cpach>anyone here using Samba at home? i'm pondering how to deal with permissions. i will have 2-3 users that will access the Samba share. how about this: make a group for them called smbusers. then do something like chgrp smbusers sharedir; chmod 770 sharedir. is this a reasonable solution?
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12:21<cc>samba installation does not already create a similar group ?
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12:26<cpach>cc: hm. good question. i'll have to look in /etc/group
12:28<nr0q_radio>for something that simple just add your users to the samba group (or whatever your particular server installed)
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13:21<cpach>cc, nr0q_radio: thanks!
13:21<cpach>totally new to samba so i appreciate the guidance :)
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13:21<cpach>never bothered to learn it until now
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15:36<at0m>does it make sense to bridge 2 interfaces (wlan0, eth0 on laptop?) so they appear as one, and laptop (br0?) gets same IP regardless if it's on wifi or wired?
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15:38<at0m>i guess since both wired and wifi are mutually exclusively used, i wouldn't need to NAT between them? only when i'd run hostapd on wlan0, afaik?
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15:39<sney>iirc some wifi drivers don't support bridging, and that would only make some sense if you're sure they're both on the same network segment
15:39<imMute>at0m: might make sense to bridge the two together if you're only using one or the other. and yes, you only need NAT if you're using one to provide network access to the other.
15:39<at0m>yea they would both be on my LAN, usually
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15:43<at0m>benefit would be for some service ports that the router is portforwarding to the laptop's IP..
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15:44<at0m>maintaining same IP via the bridge would help there
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15:47<Gwalenn>hi, some one use nordvpn on debian ?
15:47<at0m>Gwalenn: ask your real question
15:48<at0m>imMute: thanks, i'll try =)
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15:48<Gwalenn>hi, some one has trouble with nordvpn on debian ?
15:49<bremner>!ask
15:49<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>.
15:49<bremner>see the kind of info we need ^
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15:50<sney>(fwiw, nordvpn works just fine here. but we still need to know what problem *you* are having, and what *you* tried, in order to help.)
15:51<Gwalenn>The problem i have with nvpn is sometime I connect to the server and I have no internet. I disconnet and re connect and works fine.
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16:17<tepiloxtl>Hey. Im stuck a little bit. Does normal debian 11 install should have kernel module "broadcom"?
16:18<tepiloxtl>Or is it somewhere in non-free or something?
16:19<enigma9o7[m]>broadcomm is often propreietary
16:19<enigma9o7[m]>i'd use the nonfree version of iso
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16:21<tepiloxtl>Yeah, its a custom made image, so no dice. I know Ive got this machine to work with debian before, probably with non-free iso
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16:22<tepiloxtl>I thought I could build whats necessary, but I find it hard to find any info on what I need. I need kernel module "broadcom" apperently, for BCM57780
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16:23<tepiloxtl>And searching for "debian kernel module broadcom" brings up all the pages about broadcom wireless and their modules. And info on BCM57780 is sparse
16:23<enigma9o7[m]>well you could get network another way, add nonfree repo, install driver...
16:24<tepiloxtl>Yeah, thats the problem, I have no idea what package it is in. Either Im blindsided or just people assume others will know
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16:25<imMute>tepiloxtl: if you want to know which package owns an installed file "dpkg -S /path/to/file"
16:25<enigma9o7[m]>hmmmmm maybe boot something nonfree live and see what it uses
16:25<sney>the broadcom module is present in bullseye, and there are no firmware fields listed
16:26<tepiloxtl>Oh, this is buster image
16:26<tepiloxtl>Ok, Ill investigate
16:26<sney>it's in the buster kernel too, are you sure that's the right driver?
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16:27<sney>ah, apparently it's actually the tg3 driver which does need firmware. non-free iso should do the trick
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16:29<tepiloxtl>Yeah, theres the thing. According to Arch wiki (ik) to get BCM57780 to work I need to load broadcom before I load tg3, and I know for a fact that works, because Ive did it on normal system install. But this one has "broadcom" module missing
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16:30<sney>arch wiki has good documentation and is usually accurate, for debian too
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16:30<tepiloxtl>If I do "modprobe broadcom" I get "Module broadcom not found in directory...", thats the problem Im having right now
16:30<sney>weird, what kernel does that installer have? uname -r
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16:31<tepiloxtl>Ah, just shut it down
16:31<sney>if you want bullseye anyway, you may as well retry with a bullseye image before we keep troubleshooting
16:32<tepiloxtl>Its 5.10.79
16:32<tepiloxtl>sney its custom build image based on buster, id have to manualy port the application its running to bullseye, or try in place upgrade
16:33<tepiloxtl>(Its volumio)
16:33<sney>yeah, I was just about to say, bullseye's current kernel is 5.10.70-1 and we do have the driver
16:33<tepiloxtl>So its most likely custom purpose build kernel without the module I need
16:33<sney>if the kernel source is available to you, you'll probably have to rebuild it, otherwise use a stock debian kernel/installer or file a bug with that vendor
16:34<sney>yep
16:34<sney>custom kernel providers love doing stuff like this, in search of "lightweight" or whatever
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16:36<tepiloxtl>Makes sense in this case, too bad my device is... far from standard. I do have debian repositories in sources.list, so I just do `apt install linux-image-amd64`, right?
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16:37<sney>that's the correct apt command
16:37<sney>if your hardware is nonstandard then your bootloader may be nonstandard, so no indication if that'll work
16:38<tepiloxtl>No, its just mbr bios. I meant its some old terminal PC and its all VIA
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16:38<tepiloxtl>cpu, gpu, sound et al
16:39<sney>probably worth a shot then
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16:41<MisterRichard>Anyone here use bi-directional google drive on their debian box ?
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16:42<argsh>https://imgur.com/a/UvuLi6P
16:42<argsh>ñihahaha :D
16:43<tepiloxtl>Hm, still boots to their kernel
16:43<sney>may need to do some manual bootloader tinkering
16:44<sney>go find their forum or irc channel, this is why #debian isn't useful for supporting derivatives most of the time
16:44<tepiloxtl>Oh, it uses syslinux, right
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16:56<tepiloxtl>Uh, thats a little bit above my head rn, but Ill be slowly hacking away on it, now I know whats going on :)
16:56<tepiloxtl>Also they just dont have any instant messaging platform, only forums, and I hoped for some adhoc help :)
16:56<tepiloxtl>Thank you :)
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16:58<tepiloxtl>Yes, the broadcom driver is in the standard kernel, but I need to bake it into squashfs now, I think
16:58<tepiloxtl>Thank you again tho!
16:58<argsh>a few days ago I try to install actual stable version of Debian on a Acer Aspire XC-885, i does install as normal for a novice user (all in the same partition), after reboot system doesn't starts... I don't remember the error... anyway...
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16:58<argsh>Then I try to install Manjaro... normal install... system works... I go to the file manager and I see that there are four partitions in the primary drive...
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16:59<argsh>now I know that my computer has an extrange configuration
17:00<argsh>sda1 is /boot/efi
17:01<argsh>sda2 has 1G size and no label
17:01<argsh>sda3 is /
17:01<argsh>sda4 swap
17:02<argsh>what means all that?
17:03<argsh>sorry I'm a novice linux user and I'm not sure what happened...
17:03<zoke>sda2 sounds like it should/could be /boot
17:03<argsh>this computer has UEFI instead of BIOS?
17:04<zoke>the prescense of a EFI partition suggests that is the case
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17:05<argsh>and manjaro emulates something in /boot/efi ?
17:05<zoke>this is the wrong place for manjaro questions...
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17:05<argsh>I'm not asking for manjaro
17:06<zoke>what is your question then?
17:06<argsh>my question is about the partitioning
17:06<blast007>seems pretty normal to me
17:06<zoke>what about it?
17:06<argsh>why 4 partitions
17:06<argsh>and what does each
17:07<argsh>after manjaro creates this scheme I try to install Debian keeping that scheme
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17:07<argsh>and now installs OK and system goes...
17:08<zoke>sda1 - EFI is for uefi boot stuff, sda2 - guessing this is /boot, used for kernels and initrd
17:08<zoke>sda3 - this is where the system is installed
17:08<argsh>in fact i'm on an updated Debian 11 stable
17:08<zoke>sda4, swapspace
17:09<argsh>yes
17:09<argsh>but my problem was installing debian
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17:09<argsh>at first try it failed
17:09<zoke>what failed?
17:09<argsh>afted manjaro partitioning
17:10<argsh>debian installs OK
17:10<zoke>so it installs ok and won't boot after? or did it break when you installed manjaro?
17:10<argsh>I try to install Debian in a single partition and it doesn't work
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17:11<zoke>it will never be a single partition on uefi systems as EFI needs to exist
17:11<argsh>I mean... installer doesn't detect that my system is UEFI
17:11<blast007>argsh: are you trying to install multiple operating systems to your computer, or are you trying to have *only* Debian on your computer?
17:11<zoke>and swap will be it's own partition by default iirc
17:11<argsh>only debian of course ;)
17:11<blast007>if you want a UEFI install, then make sure to boot the installer in UEFI mode
17:12<blast007>the installer ISOs can boot in both legacy BIOS and UEFI, and it will install the system as whichever it is booted under
17:12<argsh>how must I do that
17:12<blast007>that's specific to your computer
17:12<zoke>since there is a EFI partition I guess that was already done
17:13<zoke>and the installer boot menu will show UEFI in the title iirc
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17:14<argsh>I see... I must boot in UEFI mode... actually my computer boots in BIOS mode
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17:15<argsh>and that's why all that partitions... or it's a normal partitioning scheme for a computer with UEFI?
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17:16<zoke>the number of paritions will differ depending on your choices
17:16<zoke>but a UEFI installation will have at least EFI and /
17:17<dvs>minimum of 2 partitions
17:17<argsh>ok
17:17<argsh>hey... thaks a lot for the help
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17:17<argsh>and congratulations for your work
17:17<zoke>using swap is optional but recommended, however it can be a file or a partition
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17:17<argsh>debian is great
17:18<argsh>better swap in a partition... no?
17:18<zoke>depends...
17:18<dvs>I would
17:19<argsh>de que depende?
17:19<argsh>:)
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17:19<dvs>If you want to put your computer into hibernate mode, then I'd use one.
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17:20<zoke>but I prefer partitions over file for swap (actually I prefer to put the partitions in LVM)
17:22<argsh>talking about swap... is a good idea to make a swap partition of 32G for example?
17:22<zoke>worth noting is that if you intend to use hibernation, swap must be at least the size of your installed RAM
17:23<zoke>32G is a lot of swap, unless needed for hibernation I would start way lower than that
17:23<argsh>i plan to work with video editors
17:23<zoke>how much RAM?
17:23<argsh>only have 12G RAM
17:24<argsh>enough but ...
17:24<zoke>are your source videos high bitrate?
17:24<argsh>sure
17:25<zoke>then it may be a bit on the low side... depending on the video length
17:26<zoke>just checked on my laptop, 32GB RAM and 16GB swap
17:26<argsh>yes is for that i think...
17:26<argsh>if I increase the size of swap...
17:26<zoke>swap is really slow compared to RAM
17:27<argsh>it will work with high res video OK
17:27<zoke>high res video was kind of sluggish to work with on my laptop
17:28<zoke>gut if you have diskspace to spare crank up swap as far as you want
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17:28<argsh>I need a new computer...
17:28<zoke>you can always shrink it later if you find that you always have unused swap space
17:29<argsh>then... you recommend me to make a swap file instead a swap partition?
17:29<argsh>why?
17:29<zoke>you can adjust partitions too
17:30<zoke>and you can combine swap partitions with swap files as well
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17:31<zoke>so if you make a descent sice swap partition for everyday use and find that you need more swap at times...
17:31<zoke>you can create a temporary swap file and activate it when needed
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17:31<zoke>and remove it when you don't need it anymore
17:32<nr0q_radio>haha I have a 250GB swap but I rarely ever touch it
17:32<zoke>nr0q_radio: overkill :p
17:32<dvs>super overkill
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17:34<nr0q_radio>I had the space and didn't have any other use for it
17:34<nr0q_radio>but I have 80GB of RAM so I rarely ever swap and I know the moment I do
17:35<zoke>I always use LVM and set volume sizes to minimum and increase as needed
17:35<zoke>tend to have a lot of unallocated space
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17:36<dvs>nope, just real partitions here with gparted when needed.
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17:36<zoke>LVM is way more flexible imo
17:37<zoke>especially when using data separation
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17:38<nr0q_radio>I used LVM once for spanning a pair of disks and got burned when the part of the disk containing what was mapped to where got messed up and I lost my whole /home partition
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17:38<zoke>wouldn't use it for spanning... that would be pretty much the same as running raid0
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17:38<nr0q_radio>use real partitions now for everything and got the most critical stuff backed up but don't have the space to back up everything
17:39<zoke>one disk goes... *poof*, all data goes
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17:40<dvs>nr0q_radio: same but I have room to back up everything.
17:41<nr0q_radio>yeah I had lots of very large VDI files that got lost and my backup space was not quite half the size of my /home partition
17:42<nr0q_radio>got all my wife's stuff back'd up so I was trying to stuff 3 TB into 500GB of avail backup space
17:43<zoke>those where the days.. when 3T backup was sufficient :p
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17:53*dvs sees the topic still doesn't like Debian 11.2
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18:08<ark_>rough rule for swap.... 2x the size of your physical RAM
18:08<ark_>tha's a starting point
18:09<ark_>you're never gonna store 3 cars inside a bike tool shed.
18:09<ark_>what you need to do is bite the bullet and buy another hard drive
18:09<zoke>ark_: that's kind of an outdated rule
18:09<ark_>actually, but one of those USB hard drive adapters that has 2 dual-use slots
18:09<ark_>then buy TWO hard drives
18:10<ark_>believe me, the most expensive part about replacing a computer system is the loss of data if you can't recover it
18:10<ark_>it's a starting point, not an indelible rule
18:11<koollman>I would say 'between 0x and 2x the size of physical ram'. that's a starting range ;)
18:11<ark_>if you're running a HUGE database, 2x might be too small, but still not need for adding RAM
18:11<ark_>depends on how heavily the database gets hit
18:12<koollman>I strongly disagree
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18:13<ark_>really, what you want to do is run top, press 1 to show all CPU cores, and then take a look at the "wa" percentages
18:13<ark_>that's the amount of time the cpus are running idle WAiting for I/O operations to complete
18:13<ark_>if you're spending a lot of time in WA, then you're probably swapping like crazy
18:14<ark_>if not, then increasing RAM won't have much effect
18:14<ark_>it really depens on the traffic profile
18:14<koollman>in both cases, adding huge amount of swap is unlikely to help much (in general)
18:15<ark_>if the database is only getting a couple queries per minute, that's very different than 100 queries per second
18:16<ark_>the caveat here is that the database is on the filesystem, not on a raw block device partition
18:17<koollman>swap won't help much with that
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18:24<tp43_>Hi, I have a https://www.amazon.ca/Foscomax-Adapter-1200Mbps-Wireless-10-6-10-15/dp/B0819HRFL7 but I do not know how to use it on debian.
18:25<enigma9o7[m]>after setting it up it can be used to connect to wireless networks
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18:25<dvs> it has the 8812BU chipset.,
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18:26<tp43_>lsusb show RTL88x2bu
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18:26<tp43_>and in brackets [AC1200 Techkey]
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18:28<tp43_>I was hoping it were auto detected, and when I do ip a I would see it. If not not, I am not sure what to do?
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18:28<blast007>as far as I know, all 802.11ac (and newer) Wi-Fi adpaters need non-free firmware to function
18:28<blast007>so to start with, you could try installing the firmware-realtek package and see if it works after a reboot
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18:31<tp43_>blast007, thx
18:32<tp43_>hmm, it is already installed\
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18:51<argsh>mail.yanex.com
18:51<argsh>sorry
18:51<tp43_>https://blog.luke.lol/tech/drivers-wifi-usb-adapter-osxmac-linux-windows/ this will work on debian same as ubuntu?
18:51<argsh>wrong window
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19:00<blast007>tp43_: you could try it
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19:06<tp43_>i am trying the install sh script that came with it
19:06<tp43_>I need to install bc first
19:08<sney>I got an 88x2bu working a few months ago with this driver, I think: https://github.com/cilynx/rtl88x2bu
19:08<sney>that blog is dated from 2017 so it's likely that you would have some compatibility problems
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19:23<tp43_>sney, thx
19:23<tp43_>I just copy it over to /lib/modules/ and then do insmod rtl88x2bu?
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19:30<sney>tp43_: if that's what the instructions say
19:30<sney>you probably have to compile it first.
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19:31<tp43_>sney, I see it, the instructions are all there on the github pg.
19:31<sney>indeed.
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19:33<joeDoe>I need some help with wireguard. I've installed it on a server on my LAN, and on an android phone. It SEEMS to have worked, but I am not sure WHERE exactly I am connected. If I go to a site like whatsmyip.com on my desktop on my LAN, I get the ipv4 address my ISP assigned me. Same thing on the phone if I'm connected to the LAN via Wifi. But, If I close wifi on my phone, only data
19:33<joeDoe>is available, and activate the wireguard interface, whatsmyip sends me back some ipv6 address that I can't identify. Any one able to help figure this out?
19:34<zoke>is the wireguard server accessible from outside the LAN?
19:35<joeDoe>yes, via port forwarding
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19:36<zoke>no experience with wireguard
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19:36<raven523>maybe it needs an ipv6 address assigned in the vpn
19:36<joeDoe>I installed a terminal programme on the programme, and appear to be able to ping the address of boxes on my LAN, so I THINK I am connected to the bonne place
19:36<Sqrt{Not}>joeDoe, your phone connected via cellular data should have nothing to do with your LAN or its addresses
19:37<joeDoe>Sqrt{Not}: except that I'm connected to it via a vpn I (hope to) have created
19:37<joeDoe>so when I surf, I should be surfing through my LAN
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19:38<joeDoe>Ie, my phone, via the data connection (via my mobile provider), connects to the vpn, and then my traffic should be going through my LAN
19:39<joeDoe>the vpn being on the LAN
19:39<joeDoe>I just can't figure out where this ipv6 address is coming from when I activate the wireguard interface on the phone
19:40<ark_>https://bugs.debian.org/test
19:40<ark_>just testing something
19:40<ark_>ignore that
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19:54<joeDoe>Sqrt{Not}: Is that not one of the use cases of a vpn? Connect to a network, route ones traffic through that network?
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19:56<zoke>is it set up to route over the vpn endpoint?
19:56<zoke>or just to connect to the vpn
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19:59<tp43_>sney, I am getting error Unknown symbol in module when I try to insmod 88x2bu.ko
19:59<tp43_>I had a similar issue with another driver too
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20:00<sney>tp43_: it looks like that is also covered in the instructions
20:00<sney>I haven't done this in months, so there is nothing extra that I know, you will just have to figure it out with this readme
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20:01<tp43_>sney, omg it was it the next section, dkms thingy. I skipped that. sorry. thx for reply
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20:10<tp43_>sney, worked. thx so much. I might never have found that github pg.\
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20:26<ax562>tp43_ yup, sney rocks!
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21:05<awal1>even after clearing the history chromium still saving stuff like url "clicked" on google search. how to avoid that? and whoch file is used to store such history?
21:06<awal1>clearing/deleting the full history ^
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21:11<maxzor>there's a #chromium channel on libera.chat awal1 where you are likely to get more help
21:12<joeDoe>zoke: I don't know. How does the setup differ between the two scenarios?
21:12<awal1>maxzor, thanks. i'll visit it later so :)
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21:16<zoke>joeDoe: when you're connected to your LAN you'll use the default gw of the LAN even if connected to the vpn-server, same when connected from outside... you need to make sure traffic is routed via the vpn server first
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21:16<zoke>joeDoe: as a part of you connecting to the vpn server you need to set default gw to the vpn-servers ip
21:17<zoke>and set up that server to enable routing etc..
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21:18<joeDoe>I would think that setting up the routing details would be part of what wireguard does when it sets up the connection, no?
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21:19<zoke>like I said before... I have no experiance with wireguard
21:19<zoke>but it sounds like a good place for you to start is to check the routing table on your phone
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21:21<joeDoe>yeah, good suggestion
21:22<joeDoe>I'll see if the terminal I installed has that capability...
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21:34<naicam|ne>Im trying to work out the practical differences between the "unstable" and "backports" repos
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21:37<naicam|ne>is backports just older versions?
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21:40<maxzor>backports are new developments that are transferred to older versions, mainly for security
21:40<Unit193>backports are not for security, they're for new features and could feature breaking changes.
21:41<naicam|ne>what about unstable?
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21:41<maxzor>unstable is the new version of debian that is not yet released as stable
21:42<maxzor>currently the name of stable is bullseye, and the name of unstable is bookworm
21:42<Unit193>The name of unstable is always 'sid', but testing is bookworm, then the release after that is trixie.
21:42<raven523>I thoguht testing becomes the next stable release and unstable is never released
21:42<maxzor>ah sorry testing*!
21:43<Unit193>One uploads to unstable, after it has automated tests and after a few days it migrates to testing. Yeah.
21:43<naicam|ne>oh ok, so unstable is before testing?
21:43<maxzor>yes
21:43<naicam|ne>i thought it was the other way... interesting
21:44<Unit193>Then there's also experimental, but you can really ignore that. It's where people upload things that are more likely to break, rc/alpha releases, etc.
21:44<naicam|ne>ya i have played with it
21:44<naicam|ne>never had issues, but i dont do much with it
21:45<naicam|ne>im having an issue right now trying to figure out how to update unstable packages that i run
21:45<maxzor>you are already plugged on sid servers?
21:45<enigma9o7[m]>theres four different version names all for what is currently testing too so it gets confusing (til you understand) cuz everyone calls it something different
21:46<enigma9o7[m]>testing or sid or bookwork or (debian)12 all refer to same thing
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21:46<trixie>...the name of the next next release is trixie? *narrows eyes*
21:46<naicam|ne>when i run "apt-show-versions -u" theres a list of packages that come up *manually* upgradeable
21:46<naicam|ne>the thought was that i want them to pull updates from unstable
21:47<naicam|ne>and not have to do each of them manually
21:47<enigma9o7[m]>i dont even have an app called apt-show-versions
21:47<naicam|ne>i think i had to install it
21:47<Unit193>trixie: You're going to get a looot of pings. :)
21:47<enigma9o7[m]>but can't you sudo apt -t unstable upgrade
21:48<enigma9o7[m]>that syntax works for bullseye-backports anyway
21:48<naicam|ne>ok
21:48<naicam|ne>so i just do it that way?
21:48<enigma9o7[m]>if you really want everything from unstable...
21:48<naicam|ne>oic
21:48<naicam|ne>no
21:49<naicam|ne>thats not what i want
21:49<naicam|ne>i have like 20 packages from there i want
21:50<enigma9o7[m]>I would try `sudo apt -t unstable install <list of packages>`
21:50<naicam|ne>ya
21:50<naicam|ne>i was just looking for something more automated
21:50<naicam|ne>not trying to list out all the packages i need by hand every time
21:51<enigma9o7[m]>how would it know what you might want, either all of them, or specify...
21:51<enigma9o7[m]>It wont be every time, once you install from there once, it'll update from there.
21:51<enigma9o7[m]>* from there in the future.
21:51<naicam|ne>hmm they are already installed... and it's not doing it now
21:52<maxzor>I am on *testing* and there are packages that don't upgrade automatically: that's normal
21:52<naicam|ne>ok
21:52<naicam|ne>so theres no way to automate it?
21:52<naicam|ne>good deal
21:53<maxzor>if you try to upgrade one of them you can get greeted by an apt message like 'this packages X depends on Y but Y version 123 but it is not out yet'
21:53<maxzor>I don't know
21:55<naicam|ne>well what i tried was adding a file in /etc/apt/preferences.d/
21:55<naicam|ne>Package: *
21:55<naicam|ne>Pin release a=unstable
21:55<naicam|ne>Pin-Priority: 10
21:55<naicam|ne>but that didnt seem to do it
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21:56<maxzor>I think that you are on the right track. I just stopped reading at this paragraph today, I am not ready yet to jump into sid
21:56<naicam|ne>thanks
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21:57<BenNZ>naicam|ne: what are you wanting to do
21:59<naicam|ne>im wanting to automate my unstable updates
22:00<naicam|ne>ive installed a few applications from the unstable repo, and Im having to keep track of them myself atm
22:02<BenNZ>naicam|ne: ok and what priority do the packages you want have now
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22:04<naicam|ne>im not really sure about that part of it 100%
22:04<naicam|ne>but maybe 10
22:04<BenNZ>naicam|ne: what does apt-cache policy output ?
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22:05<naicam|ne>theres kind of a lot bc i have other third party repos
22:06<naicam|ne>but i changed the priority from 10 to 500
22:06<naicam|ne>and it looks like its doing what i need it to
22:06<naicam|ne>my main ones are at 900
22:07<naicam|ne>im not really sure what the numbers mean, other than higher is higher priority
22:07<naicam|ne>but it seems like theres something else there
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22:09<naicam|ne>anyway i got my updates
22:09<naicam|ne>thanks guys
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23:18<KayFaraday>here's my /etc/network/interfaces file. on booth ifup@eth0.service fails with RTNETLINK answers: file exists, and all addresses except the one highlighted are applied. what's the deal?
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23:44<Blondie101010>KayFaraday: I'm going off to bed, but if you want help with that, you should share that config file along with: (ip a && ip r) |nc termbin.com 9999
23:45<KayFaraday>https://termbin.com/4p8x
23:45<KayFaraday>o7
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