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00:15<jcbjoe2021>KayFaraday: have you tried #networking on libera? They always seem to be up and of course they do networking stuff. #debian is usually sleep now
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00:20<KayFaraday>thanks
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00:35<mason>KayFaraday: Did you post your interfaces file somewhere?
00:35<mason>KayFaraday: Anyway, I'd look for things like duplicate gateway specifications.
00:36<KayFaraday>mason: my bad. https://paste.debian.net/hidden/b54dcba8/
00:36<mason>KayFaraday: So, you're specifying multiple gateways, but your gateways are not per-interface, they're for your whole system in most cases.
00:37<KayFaraday>mason: so should i remove the gateway lines from the second stanzas?
00:37<mason>Yes.
00:37<mason>Try it anyway. I might be confused.
00:37<KayFaraday>🤘
00:37<KayFaraday>and then… systemctl restart networking right? i'll be doing it over VNC just in case
00:38<mason>KayFaraday: Dunno what systemd does to networking. I'd reboot rather than trust its state machinery to tear down what's there cleanly.
00:38<KayFaraday>ic
00:38<KayFaraday>wait
00:38<KayFaraday>if you look closely, there's two different ipv4 gateways
00:38<mason>I noticed that.
00:39<KayFaraday>but that doesn't seem to cause an issue o_o
00:39<mason>It should. Which 0.0.0.0 route should the system choose for any particular packet?
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00:40<KayFaraday>the first one
00:40<KayFaraday>idk
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00:40<mason>It doesn't know either. Remove one of each so you only have one of each and see if it's happy then.
00:41<KayFaraday>but those IPs have diff gateways …?
00:42<mason>ip seems to lack the ability to show you routes without names, but if you have netstat installed, try netstat -nr, which makes what's happening make more sense.
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00:42<mason>You're trying to set more than one default route on that interface, and the system already has one, so it's saying it already exists.
00:42<KayFaraday>https://termbin.com/xlhl
00:42<KayFaraday>ohh
00:43<KayFaraday>i want it to listen on two IPs but use one (or either) for outbound traffic
00:43<mason>Each of those wants to be the 0.0.0.0 route on eth0.
00:43<mason>Listening is something different. This is routing to nonlocal addresses.
00:43*KayFaraday searches for the key to the liquor cabinet
00:44<mason>KayFaraday: Think of it this way. If something's not on the local wire, where does it go? You can give your system a gateway / default route / 0.0.0.0 so it knows what to do with packets that don't seem to be on the local wire.
00:45<KayFaraday>i think i just need to attack this again tomorrow
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00:45<mason>KayFaraday: It decides what the local wire is based on assigned interfaces and routes in that table.
00:45<mason>KayFaraday: Each packet goes to the interface/address that's the closest possible match in the routing table.
00:46<mason>Listening is different. You'll generally listen on a specific IP address.
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00:47<jm_>ip route get can help showing what'll happen for destination
00:47<mason>jm_: It seems not to want to show 0.0.0.0 as 0.0.0.0, hence isn't as useful for someone learning.
00:47<jm_>mason: yeah you need to use real target IP
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00:48<mason>KayFaraday: Here, was poking around for something useful, and this might help: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Routing_table
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01:08<jcbjoe2021>,v weechat
01:08<judd>Package: weechat on amd64 -- stretch: 1.6-1+deb9u2; stretch-backports: 2.3-1~bpo9+1; buster: 2.3-1; buster-backports: 2.8-1~bpo10+1; bullseye: 3.0-1; bookworm: 3.3-1; sid: 3.3-1
01:11<will0w>does anyone know why golang-github-mattn-go-sqlite3-dev has that name instead of just golang-github-mattn-go-sqlite3? i thought -dev packages only provide libs necessary for compilation?
01:13<somiaj>because they are essentially the development headers needed to build a binary with go.
01:13<somiaj>They aren't runtime, but build time depends
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01:17<will0w>i understand. when i write a go sqlite3 app it is actually compiled against those libs
01:18<will0w>i'm not used to compiled languages
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01:19<will0w>e.g. with python you would just install the package for the library you want to use
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01:21<naicam|ne>KayFaraday: did you start having those issues after the upgrade to 11.2?
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02:52<naicam|ne>im having an issue where my ipv6 addresses arent being assigned properly on boot
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03:01<naicam|ne>right now im looking through systemctl outputs
03:01<naicam|ne>and some stuff looks wonky
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03:02<naicam|ne>networking.service isnt running
03:03<naicam|ne>but im not sure why
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09:04<Guest9128>hey guys. I'm still new to linux and currently trying to set up a laptop to use as mini server (doing torrent seeding with it). I have a question I was not yet able to find an answer for. Inside a tty, like, a console (I am not using any desktop environment), how can I make the screen timeout? (turn off, power saving)
09:05<Guest9128>it does not seem to turn off at all
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09:10<will0w>does anyone know how the debian cloud images compare with ubuntu cloud and alpinelinux? i mean, is there anything special about the debian ones or are they just pre-rolled standard debian?
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09:12<jm_>Guest9123: setterm command
09:12<jm_>uhm that was for Guest9128
09:12<jm_>too many guests!
09:13<DPA>I overlay the root fs, such that changes go into a tmpfs. I then try to install stuff with apt. But I'm getting the error like "unable to install new version of 'some/file': Invalid cross-device link". Can I do anything about that?
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09:17<redbird0339>jm_ thanks. I did try out the setterm command like this: "setterm --powerdown 10" . But I am not certain it works
09:18<redbird0339>I guess I will just read the manual more
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09:23<redbird0339>oh, it seems the --blank argument works with that command. Cool
09:23<redbird0339>very nice
09:23<jm_>redbird0339: also try the -powersave option
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09:24<jm_>redbird0339: way back when it mattered to me, debian had console-tools package, and looking at its config I had -blank 2 -powerdown 5 -powersave powerdown
09:26<redbird0339>I am looking at the manual at the arguments you mention. When it mentions that it will power down the VESA, so it means the driver/software that handles display is also deactivated? (I remember VESA was something about the display driver)
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09:27<jm_>VESA is a lot
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09:28<redbird0339>well it seems the blank command is enough for what I was looking for
09:28<redbird0339>thanks a lot!
09:28<jm_>enjoy
09:29<redbird0339>now I will need to investigate how to make laptop turn on automatically if it has plugged in power (i plan to keep it without a battery inside it)
09:30<redbird0339>probably will be some bios setting
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09:34<DJAnonimo>hello, im getting a error from plesk: ERROR: E:The repository 'https://autoinstall.plesk.com/grafana/deb stable Release' does not have a Release file.
09:34<DJAnonimo>how to fix it?
09:37<sussudio>why are you asking here.
09:37<sussudio>this isn't #plesk
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09:39<blast007>!plesk
09:39<dpkg>Parallels Plesk Panel (formerly Plesk) is a proprietary web hosting control panel. Not supported in #debian, ask me about <free whcp> for alternatives. http://www.parallels.com/support/plesk/ http://forum.parallels.com/ ##plesk on irc.libera.chat.
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09:56<red>Добрый вечер
09:57<red>вопрос можно?
09:58<red>призагрузке
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09:59<red>при загрузке на мониторе выскакивает "вне диапазона" и что делать?
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10:00<jmcnaught>!ru
10:00<dpkg>Это английскоговорящий канал, пожалуйста, говорите по-английски или посетите #debian-russian (irc.oftc.net) - debian-russian@lists.debian.org
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10:10<DJAnonimo>sussudio: because its a msg from apt update. plesk only send it to email
10:10<DJAnonimo>so it's a system error of update...
10:11<DJAnonimo>here is output: https://pastebin.com/GjzJZdDV
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10:17<c10l>apt is telling you there's a problem with the repository. The repository belongs to Parallels, a private organisation unrelated to Debian. You should send the error to them so they can fix it on their side.
10:18<DJAnonimo>c10l: thank you
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14:39<r4fkramer>Hello everybody. Please, I would like to know what happened with this installation of a game for My Son (Minecraft) that was installed on Debian bullseye 11.2, and just stopped opening at all - until yesterday, everything was running OK around here.
14:39<r4fkramer>https://paste.debian.net/1224466/
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14:45<imMute>r4fkramer: "No X11 DISPLAY variable was set" is your problem
14:45<r4fkramer>Hi imMute, in fact I suspected that was the problem, for this message called my attention. In this case, how to proceed ?
14:46<imMute>are you running this in a GUI terminal?
14:46<r4fkramer>I can't understand why it has happened. Yesterday it was running fine
14:46<r4fkramer>This Minecraft version for Linux just opens through command line
14:47<r4fkramer>Through this command: 'java -jar TLauncher-2.831.jar'
14:47<r4fkramer>I suppose I'm running in GUI terminal
14:48<r4fkramer>Like yesterday, when opened without any issue
14:48<imMute> what do you get if you run 'echo $DISPLAY' in that same place?
14:49<r4fkramer>In this path ? root@debian:/home/r4fkramer/Downloads/TLauncher-2.831#
14:49<r4fkramer>no output for this command you've passed me
14:51<r4fkramer>imMute, not even an error message appears. Simply an empty space without any information.
14:52<r4fkramer>I upgraded debian today; but it was happening before the upgrade
14:52<tulpa>why running as root?
14:53<r4fkramer>tulpa, that's a recommendation of the READ ME file. At first I thought it quite strange also.
14:53<imMute>yeah, that's probably your problem. stuff like sudo will sanitize environment variables.
14:53<imMute>you don't need root to run minecraft - find a better guide.
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14:55<r4fkramer>That's what I suspected also. I didn't try it yet. Let me try to open it via normal user
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14:57<r4fkramer>Now Java was activated and TLauncher has opened
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14:58<r4fkramer>Please imMute and tulpa, have a look on their READ ME: https://paste.debian.net/1224468/
14:59<r4fkramer>A suggestion that got me quite confused. I followed this instruction before, for I thought they knew what they were recommending.
14:59<r4fkramer>Now it's working fine - curiously, it was running with root yesterday....
15:00*imMute bets you switched to root a different way today than you did yesterday
15:00<r4fkramer>Thank you very much for Attention and Great Support, imMute and tulpa !
15:00<r4fkramer>In fact, I really don't know imMute, for I applied exactly the same command as I used yesterday. Anyway it is fixed here. Really thank you very much !:)
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17:00<burrows>Every time I upgrade the kernel via apt, the /boot partition is too full so I have to uninstall older kernels first. Shouldn't apt automatically do this for me?
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17:01<Wulf>burrows: I think only on automatic updates and only when configured to do so.
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17:01<Wulf>burrows: reinstall with larget boot partition or try a better compression algorithm
17:03<burrows>Thanks. The compression algorithm is whatever comes out of the box. Is "apt update/upgrade" considered automatic?
17:03<Wulf>burrows: no. But you should be able to do "apt autoremove --purge" afterwards
17:04<burrows>I do "apt purge" by habit after every update but older kernels remain
17:04<burrows>autopurge*
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17:31<sarnold>burrows: I'm not sure if debian and ubuntu use the same mechanism or not, but the 'entry point' to apt marking some kernels to save and others to autoremove on ubuntu is /etc/kernel/postinst.d/apt-auto-removal -- it's got the 'easiest' hints to all the other files that are important in the process
17:34<burrows>Thanks, sarnold, I'll take a look
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19:56<mi11k1>is thois executable somehow? https://i.imgur.com/fEUnXEO.png
19:57<raven523>what does the README.md say?
19:57<mi11k1>ummm, i fdorget. it lead me down a path
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19:57<raven523>it has a package.json and js dfiles so you can probably run it with node or npm
19:58<mi11k1>yah, i tried to build appimage
19:58<mi11k1>ill try npm
19:58<mi11k1>thanks
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20:02<mi11k1>well, its building.
20:03<mi11k1>i havent used node in like 2 years
20:03<enigma9o7[m]>that appears to be an electron app
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20:14<noalternative>I installed multiarch on my RCA Cambio, with the XFCE Desktop, from the 32bit installation selection. Everything works nicely including my touchscreen, but I need help enabling sound & I can't adjust brightness. I would also like some help getting my login screen to display landscape mode. Can someone help?
20:15<noalternative>i searched online first but most the instructions are old and don't work.
20:15<noalternative>I am using this device right now.
20:16<noalternative>w/hexchat
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20:23<enigma9o7[m]>@mi11k1 you know there are appimages (executables) available on the release section of the github? i.e. amd64 https://github.com/ZoneMinder/zmNinja/releases/download/v1.6.009/zmninja-pro-1.6.9-linux-x86_64.AppImage
20:25<enigma9o7[m]>@noalt I dunno how to rotate login manager, but after login you can rotate with xrandr.... dunno about brightness, sometimes thats related to video driver and xorg config..... whats wrong with sound?
20:31<enigma9o7[m]>mi11k1: but if you want to build, there are instructions here that might help https://zmninja.readthedocs.io/en/latest/guides/source.html
20:31<mi11k1>thanks, missing python2. i think i got it.
20:32<mi11k1>enigma9o7[m], no, they stopped putting out builds
20:32<enigma9o7[m]>Ummm, they're right where I linked.
20:32<enigma9o7[m]>from july i guess
20:33<enigma9o7[m]>maybe not recentenough for ya, but that was their last release
20:33<enigma9o7[m]>https://github.com/ZoneMinder/zmNinja/releases/
20:33<noalternative>enigma907[m] I don't have any sound. xorg for intel is already installed.
20:33<enigma9o7[m]>thers other archeicturs available, and older builds, etc
20:34<mi11k1>no, i havent see this page. its prob been since before july since i took a stab
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20:34<enigma9o7[m]>july is most recent build, theres 6 years of releases before that as well
20:34<mi11k1>noalternative, drop to term and use alsamixer ......hit M for mute
20:34<enigma9o7[m]>yeah thats what i was gunna say!
20:35<enigma9o7[m]>install alsa-utils package
20:35<enigma9o7[m]>run speaker-test (or something to generate sound) andrunalaskamixer
20:35<mi11k1>enigma9o7[m], ya, just trying to get the most recent as possible
20:35<enigma9o7[m]>and dowhathesaid
20:36<mi11k1>1.3.29 is the latest ive tried
20:36<enigma9o7[m]>Sorry, let me repeat that more clearly. After installing alsa-utils, speaker-test&alsamixer and then unmute everything with m and turn everythiing up, figure out if somethinig there is whats needed.
20:36<enigma9o7[m]>And if so, then you can use amixer command to set it if not doable in pavu
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20:56<noalternative>alsamixer says my card is pulseaudio dummy output, and there is only one setting turned up and not muted
20:56<noalternative>so it is not findng my card somehow
20:57<noalternative>xfce speaker test gives me no sound
20:57<jmcnaught>F6 in alsamixer to change cards
20:58<noalternative>I did that and the only option is for hdmi? There are speakers on this device. The literature says the card is intel sst.
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20:59<noalternative>so it needs to find this card.
21:01<noalternative>I was speaking with Jmc...
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21:03<noalternative>Is there anyone I can privately message that could help me more with these issues?
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21:04<jmcnaught>We try to keep the support in the channel here.
21:04<noalternative>anyone that is not currently posting that could get online here?
21:06<noalternative>alsamixer also gives and option to "enter device name"
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21:10<aloo_shu>hmm lsusb or lspci should see the card belonging to the speakers, lsmod should show a module loaded for it, just as steps I would suggest checking
21:11<jmcnaught>"(lspci -nnkd ::0403 ; aplay -l; pacmd list-sinks) |nc termbin.com 9999" (as regular user not as root) will give you a link to share with some troubleshooting information
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21:16<enigma9o7[m]>yeah if alsamixer doesnt show it, it sounds like more a driver issue, but intel stuff is usually supported. i looked up your device and i gues its some kinda half tablet half mininotebook but in any case sound should work... hmmerz.
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21:17<enigma9o7[m]>If it were me, and nobody gave me any good info to look into stuff, I'd try live booting some other distros to see if they have it set up, and if they do, see how. But hmmm.
21:17<enigma9o7[m]>but sounds like jmc may know whats up
21:17<enigma9o7[m]>or have a path to follow at least
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21:18<enigma9o7[m]>although if you're sure its intel its unlikely its proprietary, but when you installed, did you use the non-free firmware version of iso, or pure free?
21:19<enigma9o7[m]>but anyways thats another thing to try.... are there live versions of nonfree? i always install from netiso so not too familiar with debian live....
21:19<Sqrt{Not}>yes enigma9o7[m] there are firware versions of all the debian live images
21:21<enigma9o7[m]>So noalt, if you didnt install from nonfree, try live boot nonfree and see if you got sound....
21:21<noalternative>https://termbin.com/68c9
21:21<noalternative>that was for jmc
21:23<noalternative>what do you mean by "didn't install from nonfree?" It is multiarch
21:23<jmcnaught>noalternative: maybe your computer's sound card is not PCI? Does "lsusb" show it?
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21:23<noalternative>could you give e a commad?
21:23<enigma9o7[m]>lsusb ;)
21:23<noalternative>I don't have any usb attachments
21:23<noalternative>they are internal speakers
21:23<jmcnaught>noalternative: sometimes USB is used internally
21:24<enigma9o7[m]>they connect to the motherboard thru some bus tho
21:24<enigma9o7[m]>so could still be usb internally as jmc suggests
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21:26<michelc>Hello, Is this the place I can ask question about Debian?
21:26<enigma9o7[m]>No, questions about debian are prohibited in the debian channel.
21:26<jmcnaught>"journalctl -b | grep -i firmware" to see if there are messages about missing firmware in the logs. "journalctl -b -g firmware" also works on bullseye
21:26<michelc>Ok, Were can I go for my question?
21:27<enigma9o7[m]>Sorry michelc, please just ask. I was being dumb sarcastic.
21:28<noalternative>sorry I'm slow but I am having a hard time figuring out how to cut and paste on this device
21:29<noalternative>does anyone remember the keyboard shortcuts
21:29<jmcnaught>Ctrl-c to copy, Ctrl-v to paste?
21:29<noalternative>anyway on the hubs and keyboards are mentioned with lsusb
21:29<michelc>Lol, I can not tell the difference.....Ok....I used to use Pop OS, but I am not liking the direction that they are going with their implementation of Gnome. How ever I love the way it boots...no splash screen nothing. turn on the computer and it goes straight to the Gnome login screen.....How can I acheive the same thing with debian?
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21:31<enigma9o7[m]>noalternative: in a terminal, its ctrl-shift-c and strl-shift-v
21:31<enigma9o7[m]>the normal control commands are reserved forapps
21:31<jmcnaught>noalternative: any command can be used with termbin, you just add "| nc termbin.com 9999" to the end of the command and it will give you a link
21:31<enigma9o7[m]>and ctrl-c is usually cancel....
21:32<enigma9o7[m]>michelc: hibernate
21:32<michelc>Here
21:32<enigma9o7[m]>or actaully suspend
21:32<enigma9o7[m]>hibernate still shows bios and grub before desktop
21:32<enigma9o7[m]>suspend goes straight to desktop
21:32<enigma9o7[m]>but suspend requires battery or plugin
21:33<michelc>I am talking about fresh boot.......
21:33<enigma9o7[m]>Im not familiar with poopos, but odds are they're hibernating instead of shutdown, like windows does these days....
21:34<enigma9o7[m]>But you can get rid of splash if you want in debian
21:34<enigma9o7[m]>just add `nosplash` to kernel boot params in grub.cfg
21:34<enigma9o7[m]>errr /etc/default/grub
21:34<michelc>I tried to copy the grub lines from Pop OS to Debian and it does notwork.(I am trying all of that in a vm)
21:34<enigma9o7[m]>or just remove `splash` is usually good enough
21:35<enigma9o7[m]>What exactly did you try to copy? What line?
21:35<enigma9o7[m]>Cuz no reason it shouldnt work.
21:35<michelc>Yes I removed splash, but there is are a lot of codes that shows up before it gets to the Gnome login screen. I do not want that. I do not want to see anything at boot
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21:35<enigma9o7[m]>make it quiet and nosplash, should be quiet and nosplash
21:36<enigma9o7[m]>alternative is verbose and splash
21:36<michelc>All the lines
21:36<noalternative>for the xfce terminal it is shift-ctrl-c & shift-ctrl-v
21:36<enigma9o7[m]>if you have an xfce terminal you could check as fast as you could ask....
21:36<enigma9o7[m]>but I bet it is, can you check for me?
21:36<noalternative>Sorry I got disconnected
21:37<jmcnaught>noalternative: any command can be used with termbin, you just add "| nc termbin.com 9999" to the end of the command and it will give you a link
21:37<enigma9o7[m]>if it isnt ctrl-shift-v then shift-insert is next most likely paste shortcut
21:37<noalternative>if you posted another command I didn't see it.
21:37<noalternative>https://pastebin.com/BiMwhJGj
21:37<enigma9o7[m]>well main thing you havent answerd that i asked is if you instaleld from nonfree, and if so, have you tried booting live nonfree to see if sound works then
21:38<michelc>Ok I will try quiet and no splash..... I have tried both Grub Customizer and in terminal using nano....I will try no splash
21:38<enigma9o7[m]>errr if so means if not
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21:38<enigma9o7[m]>michelc, you already got rid of splash right? so adding nosplash wont dchange anything
21:38<enigma9o7[m]>try quiet tho if you really wanna get rid of it telling you stuff.
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21:39<michelc>Yes, I took it out....did not give me the result that I was looking for and I put it back
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21:40<michelc>Quiet was already in the parameters
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21:40<enigma9o7[m]>then there's distro plymouth stuff
21:40<enigma9o7[m]>but i dunno how that stuff works
21:40<enigma9o7[m]>and then if you use nvidia gpu it sometimes throws up nvidia logo in there
21:40<noalternative>I installed multiarch, which is nonfree. No I didn't install the live cd.
21:40<enigma9o7[m]>errr nvidia prop drier
21:40<enigma9o7[m]>bummmer noalt
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21:41<enigma9o7[m]>i'd hoped you'd installe dfrom free and sinmple solution would be nonfree
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21:42<noalternative>This is some type of bay trail or cherry trail atom, so a regular version wouldn't install because of 32bit efi.
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21:42<noalternative>I am sure it has no nvidia card on it.
21:43<noalternative>I am install this for someone else, who got it with no os installed.
21:43<michelc>No I am using AMD GPU. I tried different distros to see how they have the lines in Grub and I am still not getting the result that Pop does....for example...Manjaro shows the grub starup and the motherboard logo as a splash......Fedora shows the motherboard logo as well......Pop does not show anything (it is clean).....Debian shows that Debian logo as splash.......
21:44<enigma9o7[m]>pop 21.10 isnt even using grub
21:44<enigma9o7[m]>they using systemd-boot
21:44<enigma9o7[m]>and motherboard logo is controlled by bios, that better be BEFORE grub or something weird
21:44<enigma9o7[m]>if you wanna disable motherboard logo, check your bios settings.
21:45<noalternative>I am having to leave soon. Is there a better time of day to come back?
21:45<michelc>I was told that Pop is using systemD...However, IF I go nano /etc/default/grub...it shows a grub entry in POP
21:46<enigma9o7[m]>the only reason i know that about pop 21.10 is cuz i read an article this week about how it does weird stuff liek that adn "doesnt play well with others" as, for example, they include a mainline kernel (not ubu kernel) with no extra drivers, only stuff for their hardware on the systems they sell
21:46<enigma9o7[m]>Are you using pop 21.10? If so you're not booting grub, right?
21:47<enigma9o7[m]>Or are you using pop 20.04lts, which still uses grub.
21:47<enigma9o7[m]>If 21.10, that competley explains it, if you want debian to do that, then dont use grub to boot.
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21:47<enigma9o7[m]>but debian installer installs grub
21:47<enigma9o7[m]>so you gotta do some nonstandard stuff to switch to that kinda boot
21:48<enigma9o7[m]>they use some large eufi partitoin stuff too etc, cant do it with legacy boot
21:48<michelc>Well yes.....I am just trying to find out if i can replicate the booting process in debian.....No I started from Pop 20.10...upgraded to 21.04, and I do not like the cosmic desktop that they are doing......So I installed Debian 11 from live ISO......
21:49<michelc>I am trying t have Debian boot with no information showing at all
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21:49<michelc>I can I boot debian without grub?
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21:51<enigma9o7[m]>https://p5r.uk/blog/2020/using-systemd-boot-on-debian-bullseye.html
21:51<enigma9o7[m]>first serach result
21:52<michelc>ok, thanks
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21:53<michelc>Thank you for the info...I am out...got some reading to do
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21:55<enigma9o7[m]>good luck
21:57<enigma9o7[m]>noalt: due to global nature and whatever, theres no good time or bad time to contact people, sometimes someone paying attention happens to know how to help, sometimes you get people guessing at ideas, sometimes you get no response....
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