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02:54<popsmoke>I need a command to be ran at startup so I created a file /etc/init.d/startup.sh with +x permissions, but afer reboot nothing happened. it didn't work. any clue?
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02:58<popsmoke>fixed
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03:15<popsmoke>I created a startup script in /etc/init.d/ but its not ran at boot. permissions are +x. any clue ?
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03:23<jmcnaught>popsmoke: with sysvinit after putting a script in /etc/init.d/ you would still have needed to run update-rc.d to enable it. But Debian uses systemd now and making a service unit is easier than making an init script: https://wiki.debian.org/systemd/Services
03:25<FabTG>Hello, I have freshly install Debian 11.2 on my Asus E200HA (Atom x5-Z8300) and face some random freezes issues. On my previous install, I remember that kernel 5.5 was ok but now I am with 5.10. I'd like to reuse 5.5 just to check. What are the reps to find it?
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03:28<jmcnaught>FabTG: there has never been a Debian release that shipped 5.5, it would only have been available in unstable, testing and maybe buster-backports if at all. You might find it on http://snapshot.debian.org/
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03:29<FabTG>jmcnaught: yes I think I used backports previously
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03:29<FabTG>jmcnaught: thx
03:29<fernie>and could try 5.14 from bullseye backports
03:30<FabTG>fernie: ok why not
03:33<sussudio>FabTG: have you checked your logs
03:33<FabTG>sussudio: yes all of them, nothing pops up
03:34<sussudio>FabTG: ran memtest?
03:34<FabTG>screen just freezes, it is a known issue but from 2 or 3 years ago that occurs on cherry trail processors
03:34<FabTG>sussudio: no how to do it?
03:34<sussudio>apt install memtest86+
03:34<sussudio>,v memtest86+
03:34<judd>Package: memtest86+ on amd64 -- buster: 5.01-3; stretch: 5.01-3; bookworm: 5.01-3.1; bullseye: 5.01-3.1; sid: 5.01-4
03:35<FabTG>just have to run it?
03:35<sussudio>it should add to your boot menu
03:36<FabTG>oh ok and just need to boot on it?
03:36<sussudio>yes
03:36<FabTG>ok I have installed, I am back in a few moment then ;)
03:36<sussudio>it will run for a while
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03:40<FabTG>ok there are 4 entries, the first 3 just reboot the machine and I am back on grub
03:40<FabTG>the 4th makes me stuck on the background image on the grub menu
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03:40<sussudio>4 memtest entries?
03:41<jm_>yes it creates several, serial console output etc.
03:41<FabTG>jm_: yes indeed
03:41<sussudio>if memtest doesn't even run, you have bigger problems
03:41<FabTG>but none of them work
03:41<tarzeau>if you can run linux, sometimes memtester in userspace is helpful
03:42<FabTG>tarzeau: how to do it?
03:42<jm_>FabTG: you could try their own minimal ISO
03:42<tarzeau>sussudio: no, some hardware is just not properly supported by memtest86+, i've also had that
03:42<FabTG>tarzeau: it seems so
03:42<tarzeau>FabTG: you boot linux, check how much memory you have, run memtester 4G (if you have 4 gb memory)
03:42<jm_>FabTG: build something big like a browser or kernel
03:43<FabTG>yes most of the time freezes happen when I am on firefox
03:43<tarzeau>watch temperatures? (sensors command), or use the hand/finger as sensor
03:44<sussudio>i've never had a pc not run memtest86. it ran badly on an original athlon, though.
03:44<popsmoke>jmcnaught: thx
03:44<tarzeau>sussudio: it crash/rebooted mac minis (intel), 5-10 years ago
03:45<FabTG>tarzeau: hand/fingers?
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03:45<tarzeau>FabTG: you check the fans if they all work with eyes, check the box with hand, open the case, feel the air inside with the finger
03:46<FabTG>on what I found on the internet, a 4.16 kernel with some special firmwares may work but honestlt it is quite an old kernel it may be obsolete no?
03:46<tarzeau>i've had PSU, cpu, fans fail, disks heat up (burn), memory heat up (not properly seated,fell out)
03:46<tarzeau>now i'm on ARM64. no active cooling, no moving parts.
03:47<FabTG>tarzeau: you are the veteran of debian failed tests ðŸ¤:)
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03:48<tarzeau>well what failed was not the software, but the hardware
03:49<tarzeau>i was successfull identifying broken memory modules with memtester on sun sparc, where memtest86 wouldn't even run on
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03:51<FabTG>I will try with kernel 5.14 as advises earlier, but I am not really confident
03:52<FabTG>is it possible to limit memory/proc when using firefox?
03:52<FabTG>(I know this is not an elegant workaround)
03:53<FabTG>and how to simulate an heavy workload on proc and memory?
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03:56<jm_>you can limit memory but it's not trivial
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03:57<jm_>FabTG: like I said, build a kernel or a browser by using more cores than you have
03:57<sussudio>oh, is it crashing on firefox?
03:58<sussudio>just disable hardware acceleration
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04:02<FabTG>sussudio: ok, do you know how to do it?
04:04<FabTG>ok just found it
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04:51<FabTG>I saw I could disable graphic acceleration from firefox itself
04:52<at0m>TIL about firefox hardware acceleration about:config > search "layers.acceleration.force-enabled" > set to "true". and about:preferences > General > Performance > tick "Use hardware acceleration when available"
04:52<at0m>FabTG: you could do the inverse there =)
04:53<at0m>hw accel does use more memory
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04:55<at0m>in chrome, chrome://gpu
04:55<FabTG>ok will try it, thx guys
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05:17<io>I'm on bullseye running flatpak 1.12.2 and am trying to find where the binary is so I can update PATH - https://wiki.debian.org/FlatPak suggests `echo 'export PATH=$PATH:/var/lib/flatpak/exports/bin' >> ~/.bashrc`, but there's no exports/bin underneath /var/lib/flatpak - I just upgraded to the backports version of flatpak today too, to see if that would change things, but so far I don't see it
05:17<berkhan>hi there. i was looking in the cfssl package in Debian archive and it's named as `golang-cfssl`. it's not a dev package but it's a cli binary package. shouldn't be named as just `cfssl`? or am i missing a debian package name convention?
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05:22<popsmoke>I created a startup.sh script in /etc/init.d/ and ran 'sudo update-rc.d startup.sh defaults' as well. yet, after reboot the script did not run. (script works manually tough). any clue?
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05:24<zoke>popsmoke: is this a generic startup script for one machine only?
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05:24<zoke>popsmoke: if so, have you considered using /etc/rc.local?
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05:31<popsmoke>zoke: yes, a generic startup script for one machine only. here. https://paste.debian.net/1224517/
05:32<zoke>popsmoke: that looks like something that should run after Xorg/wayland has started
05:32<zoke>popsmoke: so adding it as a startup script is not the correct way
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05:34<popsmoke>zoke. the main point is that i want the command for brightness to run at startup. whats ur suggestion ?
05:36<zoke>popsmoke: add it as a "Startup application" in your desktop env
05:36<zoke>popsmoke: for gnome this can be done using 'gnome-tweaks'
05:37<zoke>popsmoke: does it need to affect the login manager as well?
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05:37<popsmoke>no
05:38<zoke>then add it as a startup application and you should be good
05:40<popsmoke>add the startup.sh script to folder ~/.config/autostart ?
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05:42<zoke>popsmoke: pretty sure that folder needs a .desktop-file... but if you launch 'gnome-tweaks' there is a section called Startup Applications where you can add you script
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05:45<io>re: my question at 10:17:09Z, ~/.local/share/flatpak/exports/bin was what I was looking for, I think (https://github.com/flatpak/flatpak/wiki/Filesystem)
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05:54<popsmoke>zoke: how do i make gnome-tweaks to see my script as an app ?
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05:59<zoke>popsmoke: looks like you need to create a .-desktop file after all
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06:02<zoke>popsmoke: https://paste.debian.net/1224527/ <- should look something like that
06:02<zoke>name it <whatever>.desktop and place it in ~/.config/autostart
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06:14<FabTG>ok I have disabled hardware acceleration on firefox, and it seems to work now, several minutes w/o freezing ;)
06:15<popsmoke>zoke: thx
06:17<zoke>popsmoke: I take it you got it working
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06:24<argentwolf>FabTG, thanks for asking the question, solved my issue as well... ;-)
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06:44<ggemu>What's the equivalent of lspci, lscpu, lsusb for HDD information?
06:45<ggemu>In a debian minimal installation
06:45<ggemu>i.e the base system
06:45<petn-randall>ggemu: The equivalent? If you need those tools, install them.
06:46<petn-randall>ggemu: Ah, misread.
06:46<io>lsblk is one of them
06:46<petn-randall>ggemu: Disk space, or do you want to know about the hardware? smartctl from smartmontools will show you that info.
06:47<ggemu>Yes, hardware info, vendor id, serial numbers and such
06:47<sussudio>ggemu: smartctl?
06:47<ggemu>Not partitions
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06:48<ggemu>I know of hdparm, just wondering if there is a tool that comes with the base system I'm unaware of
06:49<sussudio>smartmontools does not come with the base system
06:50<io>gnome-disks?
06:50<io>but not minimal installation
06:51<sussudio>there's stuff in /proc, if you know where to find it.
06:52<zoke>not sure if fdisk is standard...
06:52<sussudio>,file lshw
06:52<judd>Search for lshw in bullseye/amd64: lshw: usr/bin/lshw
06:53<sussudio>also an extra package. may as well just install smartmontools.
06:54<zoke>ggemu: 'fdisk -l' will show model etc...
06:55<zoke>as will 'parted -l'
06:58<io>ggemu: what's the reason for only minimal?
06:58<ggemu>thank y'all. I justed checked, seems fdisk is the only one that actually comes with the netinst cd in bullseye
06:59<ggemu>zoke: only gives the model, nothing else
07:00<zoke>ggemu: then I guess you need to check sysfs
07:00<ggemu>io: old hardware (pentium m, single core 1,7ghz) and curiosity
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07:01<io>that should still be plenty enough for a bigger boot USB to run
07:01<io>and then you can install stuff in that bootable session until you restart
07:01<io>assuming it's online of course
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07:01<sussudio>ggemu: one of those "netpc"'s?
07:02<io>I can't quite remember how netinstall works - maybe you can still apt install stuff with that?
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07:02<sussudio>you could just boot a live usb instead
07:02<sussudio>or open up the pc to see what's inside
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07:03<io>for older systems like that, I like just going with xubuntu or lubuntu; but I have most of the main distros on a multibootusb
07:03<sussudio>if you still have electricity, with germany shutting down all their nuclear reactors...
07:03<ggemu>io: my question isnt what runs
07:03<zoke>ggemu: udevadm info --query=all --name=/dev/sda
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07:04<io>ah that command shows a lot
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07:05<petn-randall>"comes with a minimal installation" is a meaningless distinction. `lspci` won't be available on minimal system, either, as the package it comes in ("pciutils") is not an essential package.
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07:05<petn-randall>If you need the tool, install it.
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07:06<io>tip to 'remember' that command: just enter this into bash history, etc: #hdd info udevadm info --query=all --name=/dev/sda
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07:07<ggemu>petn-randall: yes thanks, i consider the question answered. Just wondered, something like lssata or lshdd would have been intuitive
07:07<io>I guess `command #suffix` also works
07:08<io>if it were more intuitive than lscpu etc, I guess it'd have been under /usr/bin/ls*
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07:09<ggemu>io: yes udevadm is quite helpful
07:09<ggemu>thanks
07:09<io>thank zoke for that too!
07:09<io>(or mostly zoke)
07:10<zoke>you can also use 'lsblk -o NAME,MODEL,SERIAL'
07:10<io>oh, never realised lsblk could do that; thanks
07:10<zoke>lots of columns to choose from for the '-o' option
07:10<io>I see that in the man now, heh
07:11<io>never thought to dive there
07:11<io>I've always just typed the bare command without thinking any further
07:12<io>heh, lsblk -O (capital O) has a less than ideal display format...
07:12<ggemu>zoke: thanks he's right u came up with it
07:12<zoke>ggemu: np
07:13<zoke>io: -O works well with -J
07:14<zoke>or when piped to 'less -S'
07:14<io>ah
07:14<ggemu>lsblk -O | less -S
07:14<io>I'm learning lots today
07:14<ggemu>lol wrong window
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07:18<zoke>add '-d' to lsblk to omit partitions
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07:19<ggemu>zoke: lsblk -o NAME, MODEL,SERIAL is a very nice solution for my original question
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08:19<tim>hello hello where
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08:20<bremner>!ask
08:20<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>.
08:21<Guest9188>how i can make dont boot the gui kali linux
08:22<dvs>!kali
08:22<dpkg>Kali Linux https://kali.org/ is a security/penetration testing distribution from the creators of <backtrack>. It is based on Debian, but is different enough that we don't provide support in #debian. Seek help in #kali-linux on irc.libera.chat or https://forums.kali.org/ Also ask me about <based on debian> and read https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html
08:23<Guest9188>thx
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08:24<haki>https://yt-dlp.readthedocs.io/_/downloads/en/release/pdf/ i downloaded yt-dlp changed file with chmod , all good. i go to the directory . yt-dlp is a python 3 script . i run make in the usr/local/bin and it says nothing to do
08:26<haki>sry it is installed
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08:26<haki>was to fast to notice
08:26<petn-randall>haki: Where does it say to run `make` in /usr/local/bin/?
08:27<haki>page 9
08:27<haki>for unix
08:27<haki>run make
08:28<petn-randall>haki: Ah, that's for the source code, not the binary you put under /usr/local/bin/.
08:28<petn-randall>haki: I recommend just installing youtube-dl, btw, that way your tool will be regularly updated via package manager.
08:29<io>I believe yt-dlp is an improved fork of youtube-dl
08:29<io>I personally get mine via brew..
08:29<haki>i have both
08:29<haki>had problems on youtube with youtube-dl other sites no probs
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08:32<io>haki: what step number are you stuck on? 2.7 in that pdf?
08:33<haki>it is running . i think only on UNIX i need to run MAKE . it is solved, runs
08:33<io>oh ok, cool
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12:31<alexrelis>Has anyone used Debian Fast Track yet?
12:31<alexrelis>I want to know people's experiences with it. Looks really promising.
12:32<scorpion2185[m]>what is?
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12:34<alexrelis>scorpion2185[m]: https://fasttrack.debian.net/#
12:35<somiaj>alexrelis: some use it, but currently there isn't much on it, and isn't being heavly used by maintainers
12:35<somiaj>still more an experiment that may or may not make ground (and I'm not thinking is is going to be common place at this time)
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12:36<alexrelis>I think fast track and more backports packages can bridge the divide between people that want a stable distro and those that want something more rolling.
12:37<alexrelis>I myself want a more stable core with some more recent software in the form of backported packages and flatpak.
12:38<somiaj>fasttrack is more meant for stuff that can't be in debian stable for various reasons
12:38<scorpion2185[m]>stuff that must be on sid or experimental right?
12:38<somiaj>hence virtualbox, firefox, though so far no one really wants to maintain more packages, so one of debian's biggest issues imo is just man power to do this
12:38<somiaj>scorpion2185[m]: no, stuff must be in testing to be backported.
12:39<alexrelis>Firefox and Virtualbox are the big ones.
12:39<somiaj>and some stuff in sid is prevented from getting into testing for various reasons, firefox/virtualbox are examples that are manually blocked because they cannot be supported in a stable release
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12:39<alexrelis>Virtualbox especially so since it isn't something you can make a flatpak for.
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12:40<zoke>damn flatpacks...
12:40<somiaj>So in theory it is a good idea, in practice, debian really doesn't have the man power and those taking time to maintain yet another package via another method
12:40<scorpion2185[m]>>the package has to be in unstable, we allow packages from experimental as exceptions. We also allow packages in fast track temporarily when packages need to clear backports-new
12:40<scorpion2185[m]>so it can't be on testing?
12:41<somiaj>correct, because if it was in testing, it could just be backported normally
12:41<alexrelis>scorpion2185[m]: It can't be in testing because testing is meant to be a copy of the next stable release.
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14:10<micha-->Hi, I am running testing on a Thinkpad L13. When I boot using the current RT kernel, the touchpad and trackpoint do not work. The non-RT kernel supports them. Is this a known issue?
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14:14<revolt>hello
14:14<revolt>i need help
14:14<JanW>Q: i'm looking for a way to really wipe the partition table, I had an installation problem today where my existing SSD has 'two labels' (I did not even know that was a thing), I used 'dd' to zero out part of /dev/sda are then it re-installed fine. Is there a better way?
14:14<revolt>my server hangs out all the time after some time
14:14<JanW>revolt: hello
14:15<revolt>getting this error :watchdog bug soft lockup - cpu#0 stuck hostapad
14:15<blast007>micha--: testing support is in #debian-next
14:15<revolt>im almost ofer it
14:15<JanW>revolt: on a VM?
14:15<revolt>no.
14:15<micha-->blast007: thanks!
14:16<JanW>revolt: that almost sounds like hardware issue, cpy dieing ?
14:16<JanW>revolt: this suggests its harmless: https://www.suse.com/support/kb/doc/?id=000018705
14:17<blast007>JanW: there is a 'wipefs' command in the util-linux package that might do what you want
14:18<blast007>revolt: is your system actually freezing up, or are you just seeing those messages in your logs?
14:19<revolt>no ide
14:19<revolt>it happends so once for 2 days mabe 3 days
14:19<revolt>but frequently
14:20<blast007>what does "no ide" mean in this context? did you mean "no idea"?
14:20<revolt>blast007:yes no idea ;D
14:20<revolt>sorry
14:20<blast007>I would think you would know if your system is freezing up
14:20<revolt>no idea how to know that ?
14:21<blast007>you're asking how to know if your computer has locked up and stopped responding?
14:22<revolt>yes
14:22<revolt>why
14:22<blast007>beyond the error message, what issue are you having?
14:22<revolt>im trying to figure out whats going one there
14:22<revolt>no issues
14:22<revolt>hold one i will upload a pic.
14:22<blast007>then there's probably nothing to fix
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14:24<revolt>blast007:what you mean ?
14:26<blast007>Linux kernel logs can be rather verbose and everything in them isn't necessarily something you need to worry about
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14:27<io>revolt: how often do you reboot your server?
14:27<revolt>https://torunska2.pl/img.jpg
14:27<JanW>blast007: thx, I'll try it
14:27<revolt>it hangs up for about 2 mc
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14:28<revolt>io: i was not touching it for a long time. but now..
14:28<blast007>revolt: are you running this system as a WiFi access point?
14:28<revolt>there is an ap on that server yes.
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14:32<revolt>blast007:why ?
14:33<blast007>you could try the kernel from backports to see if that helps, or set the value of hung_task_timeout_secs to 0 so it stops complaining about it
14:38<revolt>blast007: what would be the command ?
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18:06<spotty>Is this working?
18:07<somiaj>!test
18:07<dpkg>Test failed.
18:07<somiaj>snarky bot
18:10<spotty>Has anyone heard of Fatdog64? Im running 812 right now and has given my old computer a 4x time boost over pupbuster.
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18:11<spotty>How is that possible?
18:12<somiaj>I don't keep up with all the linux distros that pop up, but here we only support Debian pure blends, and not any distro that is based on debian
18:12<somiaj>A lot can depend on software that is run on top of the linux kernel, but beyond that not something #debian can help with.
18:14<spotty>Thanks, I really liked AVL with all its media apps I started with Deb back in 1999 Got me going into Linux
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19:47<dpkg><blistov> Debian 2.2. Telnet to Debian machine. I am connected to telnet, but am never presented a login prompt. Anyone know why? <jelly-home> telnetting to 1999 doesn't work
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20:34<joe_>hallo\
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22:10<magyar>hi guys, trying to upgrade from stretch to buster and getting this error >> https://bpa.st/ELKA
22:13<magyar>apt-get clean && apt-get update fixed the issue
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22:32<jcbjoe2021>How do I get a html output of what is being updated/upgraded for that day/month example today I open my laptop and run sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade and it says I have 10 packages to be upgraded how can I get a list of everything being upgraded? Is there a website for this so I can bookmark it? Don't wanna have to look for each package info
22:32<jcbjoe2021>from the command line
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22:34<jmcnaught>https://www.debian.org/security/#DSAS
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22:36<somiaj>just run 'apt list --upgradable'
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22:52<jcbjoe2021>somiaj: that shows just the terminal/clo output is there a html page I can look at that has the upgradable list
22:52<jcbjoe2021>Cli*
22:54<somiaj>No, because what needs upgraded depends on your system. You can see the packages that are upgraded in stable you'll see them listed via DSA and each point release as a website with the list of packages that were upgraded
22:54<somiaj>but the console list is the more percise. Also what info are you wanting to get from thsi page?
22:55<jcbjoe2021>somiaj: just get info on what is changing like patches updated etc.. didn't know about the DSA
22:56<jcbjoe2021>I can do per package if I have to
22:56<jmcnaught>,i apt-listchanges
22:57<somiaj>You kinda have to track a lot of changelogs down, but if you take that upgraded list from the console, then upgrade the packages, you can look in /usr/share/doc/packagename/changelog.Debian.gz the recent changes
22:57<judd>Package apt-listchanges (utils, standard) in bullseye/amd64: package change history notification tool. Version: 3.24; Size: 129.8k; Installed: 423k; Screenshot: https://screenshots.debian.net/package/apt-listchanges
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22:57<jmcnaught>It'll be plain text not HTML.
22:58<somiaj>I think you can have it email you, which might put it into another format to look over
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22:59<jmcnaught>There's also "apt changelog packagename"
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23:01<jcbjoe2021>Ok thanks all
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23:05<jmcnaught>"apt changelog ~U" tries to get changelogs for all the upgradable packages but for me they all 404
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23:13<jcbjoe2021>let me try that
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