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#debian IRC Logs for 2021-12-28

---Logopened Tue Dec 28 00:00:04 2021
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00:17<Naysayist>/ns register d0p3asd0p3 naysayist@protonmail.com
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00:21<jcbjoe2021>...
00:22<jcbjoe2021>Naysayist: why did you do that?
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00:23<Naysayist>I haven't used IRC in 20 years or so
00:24<jcbjoe2021>cool
00:24<jcbjoe2021>Naysayist: change your password cause we all know it now. people can unregister you drop your nick whatever
00:25<jcbjoe2021>i would /query nickserv so you have a priv conversation and do everything there
00:26<Naysayist>is it ./msg nickserv register password email?
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00:27<jcbjoe2021>yea don't use /ns or ./msg use /msg or /query nickserv
00:27<jcbjoe2021>i hate doing /msg in a channel cause something could go wrong and everyone sees what you typed
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00:29<Naysayist>/me feels stupid
00:29<Naysayist>WHY DOES IT DO THAT
00:29<somiaj>why are you making everything bold?
00:29<Naysayist>Quassel sucks dick
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00:30<somiaj>if you have bold characters before /, it won't be read as a command.
00:30<jcbjoe2021>Naysayist: use weechat or irssi or hexchat for a new irc client
00:30*Naysayist test
00:30<Naysayist>there
00:32<Unit193>Never seen Quassel do that before.
00:32<Naysayist>Fresh install too
00:32<Naysayist>???
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00:33<Naysayist>Alright, well back to discord
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00:40<jcbjoe2021>did he leave?
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00:48<StarOnD>My `apt install` keeps freezing. What do I do ? I have a blank Debian 11 on a Virtual machine
00:48<somiaj>yes they did
00:48<somiaj>StarOnD: provide more info, what is the exact command you run, what is the last thing you see when it 'freezes'
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00:52<StarOnD>somiaj: I ran ```sudo apt install texlive-full``` The progress bar FROZE at 44%. I closed that terminal and did ```sudo apt clean``` followed by ```dpkg --configure -a``` Now when I did ```sudo apt upgrade``` the progress bar is frozen at 5%
00:56<StarOnD>any hints for me ?
00:56<somiaj>StarOnD: just wait
00:57<somiaj>and wait and wait
00:57<somiaj>I'm not sure what some of the texlive packages do (I think one has like 100k files or something strange), it just takes a while, it probably isn't frozen. On a vm it can take a bit longer
00:58<somiaj>But even here on my system with an nvme ssd on a fast machine, I thought the same thing, and ended up having to wait 15 mins or so for any update
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00:59<jcbjoe2021>StarOnD: textlive-full is like Size: 34316 and depends on so much type apt-cache show texlive-full
01:00<somiaj>jcbjoe2021: there is some package down the chain that just takes a long time to unpack I belive
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01:01<StarOnD>ok thank you guys
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01:02<somiaj># dpkg -L textlive-fonts-extra | wc -l -> 94645. I think it just takes a long time to unpack almost 100k files
01:02<StarOnD>Unpacking texlive-fonts-extra (2020.20210202-3) over (2020.20210202-3) ... <<< This is where it is frozen
01:03<somiaj>StarOnD: yea, it isn't frozen, it will just take a long time due to the number of files I belive
01:04<somiaj>because recall dpkg doesn't just unpack files directly into place, it does something (don't understand the details) to verify there are no file overlaps with its database, and make a backup of the current file if upgrading.
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01:08<StarOnD>somiaj: many thanks
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01:45<jcbjoe2021>somiaj: are there any offical debian discord servers?
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03:14<alexrelis1>jcbjoe2021: No, and I don't think that is in the pipeline, as Discord doesn't agree with the principles of free software.
03:15<alexrelis1>But I have advocated to make an official Matrix chat and have that bridge with IRC.
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03:45<captnfab>alexrelis1: a problem with bridges is that if n networks are connected, then you have to agree to all network's privacy policy when you write on any of them
03:46<captnfab>meaning that it's only reasonnable to bridge "well behaving" networks
03:49<jcbjoe2021>thanks alexrelis1
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03:49<captnfab>so to make an irc<->matrix<->discord bridge, it would require everyone here to accept discord's privacy policy
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04:50<Linux77>hi cool friends! grateful...
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08:50<popsmoke>I tried to copy a file, from an external hdd to the internal hdd. it failed. can anyone explain this error? https://paste.debian.net/1225039/
08:50<petn-randall>popsmoke: Did the copy command fail?
08:51<petn-randall>popsmoke: "Unrecovered read error" means the hardware is failing.
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08:52<popsmoke>petn-randall: here, https://gcdn.pbrd.co/images/70fTiqFhDY6h.png?o=1
08:52<sussudio>popsmoke: were you the one with the 10+ year old laptop hdd last time
08:53<popsmoke>sussudio: i dont think so
08:54<azeem>popsmoke: run smartctl diagnosticts
08:54<azeem>!smarts
08:54<azeem>!smart
08:54<azeem>hrmpf
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08:57<sussudio>alright. 12-13 year old laptop hdd it is.
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08:59<popsmoke>sussudio: yes that is true, its an old laptop hdd. so you think it has bad sectors or something and this is why it returned that error?
08:59<azeem>it's the most plausible explanation
09:01<sussudio>popsmoke: probably dead.
09:02<Sqrt{Not}>popsmoke, did you try running smartctl against it? Does that work over your USB|SATA adapter?
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09:03<Sqrt{Not}>!smartctl
09:03<dpkg>The smartmontools package provides the smartctl and smartd utilities, used to control/monitor devices supporting "Self-Monitoring, Analysis and Reporting Technology" built into modern ATA and SCSI hard disks. After installation, read /usr/share/doc/smartmontools/README.Debian for initial configuration and upstream recommendations. http://sf.net/apps/trac/smartmontools/wiki/FAQ http://smartmontools.sf.net/
09:04<popsmoke>ah
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09:15<tohoyn>popsmoke: maybe fsck could be useful, too
09:15<azeem>well, I suggest trying to copy and crucial data off it first, then trying to make a 1:1 copy
09:16<azeem>a fsck could corrupt things more
09:16<azeem>copy any*
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09:22<none>now since debian xfce is quite minimalist how do i format a usb?
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09:22<Sqrt{Not}>none, I would use the command line
09:22<none>can you link me a resource for that ?
09:23<spawacz>sudo fdisk /dev/whatever
09:23<none>ok i will look into it thanks anyway
09:23<Sqrt{Not}>`man fdisk` and `man mkfs`
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12:04<scorpion2185[m]>what is a good VM for andriod (phone) to install Debian?
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13:19<amacater_>msg nickserv help register
13:19<amacater_>xavier: I think you need /msg nickserv register
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13:56<bleb>[x-post libera/#zfs] my zpool did not mount at boot, and zpool list says no pools available
13:58<bleb>systemctl status zfs-import says Loaded: masked (Reason: Unit zfs-import.service is masked.)
13:58<bleb>Active: inactive (dead)
13:58<bleb>journalctl zfs-import says Failed to add match 'zfs-import': Invalid argument
13:59<amacater_>On Debian?
13:59<bleb>assuming I didn't get this stupid fucking systemd syntax wrong (which I wouldn't have to remember if there were just log files), what's the next step?
13:59<bleb>yes
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14:00<bleb>buster
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14:02<bleb>I cross posted because there's some urgency
14:02<bleb>but what are you gonna do
14:03<zoke>isn't it 'journalctl -u zfs-import' ?
14:03<bleb>thanks, I don't know why that wasn't in my shell history but journalctl zfs-import was
14:03<bleb>anyway
14:03<zoke>as in show me all logs related to unit zfs-import
14:03<bleb>-- No entries --
14:04<bleb>-- Logs begin at Tue 2021-12-28 13:24:56 EST, end at Tue 2021-12-28 14:02:31 EST. --
14:04<TobiX>Well, if it is masked, there won't be any logs for it...
14:04<bleb>cool
14:04<bleb>any way to figure out why it's masked
14:04<zoke>I have no experiance with zfs... So I don't know what to expect from it regarding services and logs
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14:06<bleb>this is exactly the kind of instability I picked debian to avoid
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14:06<TobiX>bleb: See "ls -la /etc/systemd/system" - But unfortunatly I can't help you to find out why the service is masked
14:06<bleb>guess I souldn't depend on a filesystem that requires systemd to mount
14:06<zoke>have you tried to umask it?
14:06<jmcnaught>is it supposed to be masked?
14:06<bleb>it wasn't the last time I booted my machine
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14:07<bleb>zoke: no, how would I do that?
14:07<zoke>systemctl unmask zfs-import
14:08<bleb>TobiX: what am I looking for
14:08<bleb>rwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jun 17 2020 zfs-import.target.wants
14:08<TobiX>"masked" units are usally symlinked to /dev/null IIRC
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14:09<bleb>verbatim from my shell:
14:09<bleb># systemctl unmask zfs-import
14:09<bleb># systemctl start zfs-import
14:09<bleb>Failed to start zfs-import.service: Unit zfs-import.service is masked.
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14:10<bleb>did I miss anything
14:10<zoke>nope
14:11<bleb>well
14:11<zoke>just remembered that I have zfs-tools installed
14:11<bleb>I guess systemd decided to depart from the "unix philosophy" where silently completing a command with status 0 means it succeeded
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14:12<bleb>who needs error messages when something goes wrong?
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14:13<zoke>zfs-import.service is masked on my machine
14:13<bleb>is there a systemd-stderr-ctl I can use to check what went wrong there?
14:13<jmcnaught>So it was probably always masked and the volumes get imported by another mechanism or unit.
14:13<zoke>are the zfs kernel moduleds loaded?
14:14<bleb>no, I have notes showing that zfs-import ran just fine before
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14:14<bleb>yes, modprobe zfs exits without error
14:14*zoke running sid
14:14<bleb>I picked the most stable release since that's what I care about
14:15<zoke>run 'systemctl status "zfs*"' and check if any service failed
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14:16<zoke>i have ~8 services/targets listed by that command
14:17<bleb>thanks, found one:
14:17<bleb>zfs-import-cache.service
14:17<bleb>Dec 28 13:25:00 n40l zpool[384]: cannot import 'z': one or more devices is currently unavailable
14:18<zoke>looks like we have a winner :/
14:18<bleb>does zfs-import-cache.service have a file I can look at to see which commands it's running, so that I could run them individually and try to get it to tell me which devices it's looking for?
14:19<zoke>you can try 'systemctl show zfs-import-cache.service'
14:20<zoke>should show what command it's running (and a bunch of other info)
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14:20<jmcnaught>"systemctl cat foo.service" to see a unit's contents. "systemctl status foo.service" will also tell you the file's location.
14:20<zoke>the 'cat one is probably better
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14:21<bleb>ok ExecStart=/sbin/zpool import -c /etc/zfs/zpool.cache -aN
14:21<bleb>I wasn't aware I had a cache
14:21<bleb>I just want to import my pool
14:23<jmcnaught>bleb: did you look at "journalctl -u zfs-import-cache.service"? that one line "one or more devices is currently unavailable" suggests there is more information.
14:25<bleb>jmcnaught: here is the complete output: http://ix.io/3JPz
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14:28<bleb>/sbin/zpool import -c /etc/zfs/zpool.cache -aN prints cannot import 'z': one or more devices is currently unavailable
14:29<bleb>don't see any options for increasing verbosity
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14:30<jmcnaught>Look at the journal without filtering to just the one unit, see if you can find more errors about devices failing for example.
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14:32<bittin^>stupid question, but do someone know how i can ignore installing kernels from backports?
14:32<sussudio>!pinning
14:32<dpkg>Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at https://web.archive.org/web/20121017070250/http://carlo17.home.xs4all.nl/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences
14:33<bleb>jmcnaught: I see references to my wd red drives printed by smartd, after the zpool error
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14:34<bleb>just grepping for "device," maybe there's another way to look
14:34<jmcnaught>bittin^: kernels from backports won't be installed unless you do it manually.
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14:34<bleb>but could this mean zfs is trying to mount its pool before the devices are initialized?
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14:34<bittin^>jmcnaught, but if i try to use apt upgrade -t debian-backports its trying to install the kernel
14:35<jmcnaught>bittin^: do not do that!
14:35<bittin^>jmcnaught, i don't as my gpu does not work that but is there any way to tell apt to not offer it?
14:36<bleb>OK I wsa able to import it with zpool import -d /dev/sdb1 -d /dev/sdd1
14:36<jmcnaught>bittin^: https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ specifically says "The coinstallability of all available backports is not tested, and it is strongly recommended to opt-into the use of specific backported packages on an as-needed basis."
14:36<bleb>happy to follow up if anyone has ideas for how to actually fix my system
14:36<bleb>but for now I'm going to migrate to alpine
14:36<jmcnaught>bittin^: in other words, do not attempt to upgrade all your packages to backports, only take a few that you need
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14:37<bleb>maybe now that centos is gone debian will rebase onto devuan and I will start believing claims of stability again
14:37<jmcnaught>maybe it would help if you learned even the basics of systemd
14:38<bleb>I never felt the need to do an elearning course on sysvinit
14:38<jmcnaught>Not even clear why you think it's at fault for a ZFS problem.
14:39<bleb>because zfs-import, a systemd service, stopped working
14:39<bleb>with no warning
14:39<bleb>and nobody seems able to figure out why it stopped
14:39<bleb>or even how to re-enable it
14:39<bleb>even with an explicit command run by root
14:39<jmcnaught>zfs-import was masked on another user's system, so clearly it's not how ZFS gets started anymore if it ever was
14:40<jmcnaught>What I read online is zfs-import-cache.service is used now in its place.
14:40<Sqrt{Not}>bleb, maybe you should look at the smartctl error you mentioned on one of your disks?
14:40<jmcnaught>But if the zfs commands are failing even when you run them manually, then ZFS is messed up and not the init system trying to run the commands.
14:41<bleb>Sqrt{Not}: it wasn't an error, it was just showing that it accessed them successfully
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14:42<bleb>jmcnaught: could be, or maybe the transition from zfs-import to zfs-import-cache was bungled
14:42<bleb>zfs-import-cache expects a certain cache file, for some reason it was not there or not in the correct state
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14:44<bleb>happy to try things if anyone has any idea how to determine which is true
14:45<Sqrt{Not}>bleb, how did you manage that transition?
14:45<bleb>Sqrt{Not}: apt update && apt upgrade
14:45<bleb>followed by a reboot
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14:46<bleb>I'm not doing anything non standard, just followed the most normal commands I could find from official sources on setting up the most stable debian box with a zfs pool consisting of two mirrored disks
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14:48<bleb>then had some hurdles where dkms wasn't building the right version of zfs, which I'm not convinced has been resolved
14:48<bleb>now this
14:48<Sqrt{Not}>bleb, maybe that is related ?
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14:49<bleb>the latter problem would be solved (albeit temporarily) once modprobe zfs suceeded
14:50<bleb>this seems different because modprobe zfs had no problem
14:50<bleb>but yes it could be related, who's to say
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14:52<bleb>anyway thanks everyone, wouldn't have been able to access my pool at all without the help
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14:55<bittin^>i figured it out thanks :)
14:57<amacater_>bleb: Now you've done this, time to update to bullseye? It is now stable, at version 11.2 and buster will not be supported as oldstable forever :)
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14:57<bleb>as stable as buster? oh goody
14:58<bittin^>amacater_, gonna be buster LTS gladly
14:58<bittin^>:p
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14:58<bleb>amacater_: fyi I did not fix my system, just was able to import the zpools manually
14:59<amacater_>Nore stable: You have to remember that each version of Debian has two years of work before it gets released as it develops, then 2 years of support + 1 year as oldstable + whatever LTS and ELTS for a subset of packages :)
15:00<bleb>so buster should have been as stable as possible up til now
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15:01<bleb>I might upgrade to chimaera, but small user base + much of debian's complexity could be a bad combination
15:03<jmcnaught>Is this the first time rebooting the system since ZFS was configured?
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15:05<Karlton>you could just install sysvinit, but this isn't going to solve your ZFS problem
15:06<alexrelis>This is not helpful, but I recommend configuring your system with BTRFS instead, as it's natively supported by the linux kernel.
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15:09<bleb>jmcnaught: no, I just did it last week
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15:09<bleb>alexrelis: yes that could help, or just have a more stable and less complex layer between the kernel and the services needed to mount the filesystem
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15:14<Scuttle>Not sure what's going on, but docker images based on bookworm seems to be broken... Tried python:latest and debian:latest Both fail when doing apt update - https://paste.debian.net/1225075/
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15:16<TobiX>Scuttle: "bookworm" support is in #debian-next
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15:17<TobiX>Scuttle: python:latest and debian:latest should point to Debian stable (bullseye) instead...
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15:17<Scuttle>I'm sorry, I meant bullseye, the same error occurs in both
15:18<Scuttle>Here's the result from debian:bullseye - https://paste.debian.net/1225078/
15:18<umuench>topic must be changed to 11.2 ?^^
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15:18<lavamind>Scuttle: I've seen that error when there is no more disk space available
15:19<TobiX>Scuttle: Cannot reproduce. Must be a network problem on your end
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15:19<Scuttle>Oh my god... I'm an idiot...
15:19<TobiX>Oh yes. Or full disc
15:19<Scuttle>yep, it was the full disk.... bah
15:20<TobiX>I like to run "docker system prune -af" regularly ;)
15:20<TobiX>(If you don't have local images to keep around, that is)
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15:33<revolt>hello
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15:34<revolt>is there any app for console lookup for power
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15:34<bremner>like powertop?
15:34<revolt>yyy
15:34<revolt>no ide im checking
15:35<revolt>like to watch power line what power is there
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15:40<revolt>bremner: yey powertop is ok,
15:40<revolt>is there anythin more ?
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15:41<revolt>something thats is printing output on munin ?
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15:42<bremner>revolt: lots of things like battery level are available in /sys
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15:42<bremner>not sure about power consumption
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15:44<Canada89>hi
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15:47<revolt>mor likley i want to see power consumction or lines 3.3v 12v and 5 volts
15:48<Canada89>i have problem with nickserv
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15:51<bremner>Canada89: #oftc can help you with nickserv
15:52<Canada89>ok thanks
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16:32<twb>Can current linux kernels mount exfat filesystems without any fuse?
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16:32<twb>"grep fat /proc/filesystems" doesn't seem so as at 5.14
16:33<twb>OTOH, https://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_5.14 mentions it
16:33<twb>Yeah I just needed "modprobe exfat" for that
16:33<twb>So that's Good Enough
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16:42<TobiX>twb: Since 5.7: https://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_5.7#New_exFAT_file_system
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16:47<twb>Thanks
16:47<twb>I worked that out while I was distratected by #windows :-)
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16:48<twb>And ntfs3 needs 5.15, which is not in bpo yet :-(
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17:03<amacater_>twb: That's the Paragon Software one - hmmm, 5.15 isn't even in sid yet, I don't think.
17:03<twb>amacater_: "rmadison linux" says otherwise
17:04<amacater_>You're right - I just checked - it's in sid :)
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17:11<cp0m>Hello
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17:12<cp0m>i have a question about setting up steam/proton in debian 11/12 with nvidia-driver. Is this the correct channel for such a question?
17:13<twb>cp0m: I don't know if Debian supports third-party stuff like that
17:13<cp0m>Yes, that makes sence, thank you! :)
17:13<twb>"I fucked up my system by installing non-free nvidia drivers, how do I fix it" is quite common here
17:13<twb>steam stuff, not so much
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17:14<twb>I thought steam essentially just shipped an full archlinux install as a chroot anyway?
17:14<cp0m>the drivers are working fine, did it alot of times the last years :), its more about directx / vulkan / dkvx support of them, comparing to the wokring one on ubuntu
17:15<cp0m>i think steam uses a ubuntu 12.04 root as compatibility layer
17:15<cp0m>but will see how stack overflow might help me
17:15<twb>It used to be ubuntu
17:16<twb>https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/heres-why-steamos-switched-from-debian-to-arch-linux
17:16<twb>I guess "steamos" isn't the same as "steam"
17:17<cp0m>Yep, thats right, but its still interesting, why directx compatibility layere works perfectly fine on ubuntu 18.04 but not on debian 11 / 12, and many games are only booting over the directx2opengl layer of wine with the PROTON_USE_WINED3D=1 env var
17:18<cp0m>i guess it has something to do with the vulkan / dxvk / nvapi api of the nvidia-drivers
17:19<twb>Is there an equivalent of winehq's "does XXX work in wine?" wiki, for steam/proton?
17:19<twb>e.g. does STALKER run
17:19<cp0m>yep, protondb, but also there, nearly every other distro has no problems with running directx windows games out-of-the-box.
17:20<twb>Last time I tried with SMAC and it was a shitshow. I have enough trouble getting Windows games to run on Windows.
17:21*twb looks pointedly at everything made during the GFWL era
17:21<cp0m>Yep, GFWL is a pain to crack
17:21<twb>No open-source engine for Thief yet either
17:22<cp0m>MMh, anyway, i might have some other 2 questions, more debian relevant
17:22<twb>oh actually I had *two* problems with fallout 3. One was GFWL, the other was because my GPU is a mix of radeon and intel parts, and it didn't like that at all. I had to use a LD_PRELOAD hack to spoof "are you an nvidia GPU?" to always return "yes"
17:23<twb>Also just random debugging tools like the STALKER and Witcher unpackers only run on Windows
17:23<twb>(Although maybe they work on proton)
17:24<cp0m>f3 has many problems. There is much to do to get it running on newer windows versions.
17:24<cp0m>F4, however, worked out-of-the-box on proton on ubuntu 18.04
17:24<twb>I finally had it working and then steam updated it to a version that FOSE can't talk to :/
17:24<cp0m>so, f3 might also work easely
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17:25<twb>Yeah newer games probably not so big a deal
17:25<twb>Especially since if you (steam) just solve unreal and unity3d and they're already 80% done
17:26<cp0m>I also dont like steam, and i hope there would be much easier solutions than the steam client + proton to get games running. :/, but NFS ProStreet from disc works very good on wine
17:26<twb>I play a lot of slavic jank games like Gorky 17 though
17:26<twb>Mor. Utopia
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17:28<twb>That's running on unity3d now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathologic
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17:34<cp0m>I am very thankfull for the devs of some games making different variants of it like xplane (directx, opengl, vulkan)
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17:36<twb>Wasn't x-plane originally open source and in Debian anyway?
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17:36<webmind>Hi
17:37<webmind>Can anyone tell me what apt or apt-get does different in resolving? ping resolves deb.debian.org fine, but apt gives a "Temporary failure resolving 'deb.debian.org'"
17:37<webmind> /etc/resolv.conf is set to a nameserver (8.8.8.8) which is reachable
17:38<Wulf>webmind: one might use name servers directly and another some nss plugin
17:38<Habbie>ping does not resolve it here
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17:39<cp0m>deb.debian.org resolves from germany, google dns
17:39<twb>webmind: are you talking about the SRV record or the AAAA record?
17:39<cp0m>twb: i dont know, but its very commercial. Maybe in a much older version
17:40<webmind>twb: no v6 on this box yet. Just noticing ping can resolve, but apt can't
17:40<Wulf>twb: why would there be an SRV record?
17:41<twb>Wulf: becaus that's how deb.debian.org works
17:41<Wulf>twb: no?
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17:41<twb>Wulf: /usr/lib/apt/apt-helper srv-lookup _http._tcp.deb.debian.org
17:41<twb>It's how it discovers the CDN
17:41<Wulf>webmind: such problems can be debugged with strace + tcpdump
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17:42<Wulf>twb: my bad, sorry.
17:42<kenyon>`getent hosts deb.debian.org` is also handy to test the system resolver
17:42<twb>it's not super obvious that it happens
17:42<kenyon>https://deb.debian.org/ mentions SRV record usage
17:42<twb>I'd also check if you are setting an apt-specific proxy ("apt-config dump")
17:43<webmind>twb: that one seems to also work
17:43<twb>kenyon: ah, thanks. I was looking in "man apt" &c
17:43<twb>webmind: can you pastebin "apt policy" ?
17:44<webmind>https://pastebin.com/ZHJacEmQ
17:45<webmind>getent hosts deb.debian.org only gives a v6 address
17:45<twb>OK that looks about right
17:45<twb>Does your ping run as root? i.e. it is setuid?
17:46<twb>Try apt update -oDebug::Acquire::http=1 -oDebug::Acquire::https=1
17:47<webmind>I work as root, no other users yet
17:47<twb>cp0m: re xplane -- I can't find any supporting evidence. I *swear* around Debian 3 there was a really garbage cheapo flight sim called someting like "xplane". Much smaller than flightgear.
17:48<twb>webmind: ah yeah and apt will run as root anyway so meh
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17:48<webmind>twb: https://pastebin.com/HrFGk8XC
17:49<Wulf>webmind: got strace installed? output of strace -ff -s 256 -v -o apt.trace apt-get update?
17:49<webmind>Wulf: not yet, I'll go and find some pkgs to put on the system
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17:50<twb>webmind: ls -lh /etc/resolv.conf
17:50<twb>webmind: is it root-only?
17:51<webmind>4 -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 19 Dec 28 22:28 /etc/resolv.conf
17:51<webmind>nope
17:51<twb>I'm stumped
17:52<twb>you might as well look at strace, but I don't know what it'll spot
17:52<twb>And tcpdump or tshark and compare the DNS packets
17:52<Wulf>my guess: systemd-resolved is somehow running and making trouble.
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17:52<Habbie>my local debugging so far points to systemd-resolved choking on the PTR query, in ping
17:52<Habbie>which is opposite from webmind's problem where apt is the failing one
17:52<Habbie>so, not useful yet
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17:53<twb>webmind: "resolvectl query deb.debian.org"
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17:53<Habbie>(my local debugging does tell me deb.debian.org is special in some way)
17:53<twb>"-- Information acquired via protocol DNS in 1.3ms." my arse. That's a local cache, not DNS at all.
17:54<webmind>ok, strace and tcpdump installed
17:54<twb>webmind: might as well "resolvectl query --type=SRV _http._tcp.deb.debian.org" also
17:54<twb>I've run out of OBVIOUS things it could be
17:55<webmind>sd_bus_open_system: No such file or directory
17:55<twb>Look at /etc/nsswitch.conf as well of course
17:55<webmind>that seems a lead
17:55<Habbie>webmind, are you inside docker?
17:55<twb>webmind: that's probably just saying "resolved is not running"
17:55<twb>Habbie: ohhhhhh
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17:55<Wulf>I get "deb.debian.org: resolve call failed: Unit dbus-org.freedesktop.resolve1.service not found." And it's not running on my system.
17:55<webmind>Habbie: no, chroot
17:56<Habbie>chroot is also a smoking gun :)
17:56<webmind>on lineageos
17:56<Habbie>twb, semi-ohhh
17:56<Habbie>webmind, another smoking gun
17:56<Habbie>webmind, also the kind of info that would be good to mention early on
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17:56<Wulf>is lineageos debian based, or why does it have apt?
17:56<Habbie>lineageos is an android build
17:56<webmind>right, I was focussing on how one application would and the other not resolve
17:57<Habbie>presumably this is a debian chroot inside it
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17:57<Habbie>which i've also done on various weird OSes
17:57<webmind>yes, debian chroot in lineageos/android
17:57<twb>It's 100% normal for ping to not work inside qemu --net user, for example
17:57<webmind>trying to turn a phone into a debian server
17:57<twb>webmind: how are you planning to avoid CGNAT
17:57<webmind>twb: yes, but not because of resolving right?
17:57<Habbie>webmind, depends on how ping fails
17:58<twb>webmind: no, because it requires CAP_NET_RAW
17:58<webmind>twb: haven't gotten there yet.
17:58<Wulf>webmind: show your /etc/nsswwitch.conf
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17:59<webmind>https://pastebin.com/dw2jjE5X
17:59<twb>relatedly, /me swears at acng 502'ing from inside a unshare(2) container
17:59<webmind>twb: I'm familiar with that, but not the other way around though.
17:59<Wulf>"files dns" looks good.
17:59<Habbie>webmind, can you show resolv.conf?
18:00<webmind>twb: re cgnat, with tunnels.
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18:00<twb>webmind: OK, fine :-)
18:00<Wulf>webmind: I'm lost. strace output?
18:00<webmind>Habbie: nameserver 8.8.8.8
18:00<webmind>twb: and wifi
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18:01<twb>webmind: actually maybe acng will sidestep your problem
18:01<twb>webmind: so you have another Debian host on your net, which has 1GB of spare disk?
18:01<webmind>Wulf: it generates 7 files, you want all of them?
18:01<twb>webmind: if so, "apt install apt-cacher-ng" on that, and "apt install auto-apt-proxy" (or hard-code) in your lineage chroot
18:02<Wulf>webmind: yup
18:02<Wulf>webmind: or at least the biggest one
18:02<webmind>twb: yeah, but I'd like to have it working without
18:04<webmind>Wulf: https://upload.disroot.org/r/8naFsqss#PQjJu0Fubw0U2M7vQa7VMqJDK0RixSb5h7k8jGi0cSU=
18:04<webmind>biggest one
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18:05<webmind>https://upload.disroot.org/r/2EDaSBDm#j+F/heSw2j2Q6vtEHxliFELiZHDm2KPSXMUVvd1etrE= <-- tgz with all of them
18:06<Wulf>openat(AT_FDCWD, "//.dpkg.cfg", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
18:06<Wulf>that looks suspicious
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18:07<twb>Wulf: that's just bceause $HOME is fucked
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18:10<webmind>I added deb.debian.org to my hosts file, now I get:
18:10<webmind>Err:3 http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye Release
18:10<webmind> Could not create a socket for 199.232.170.132 (f=2 t=1 p=6) - socket (13: Permission denied)
18:10<Habbie>ah
18:10<twb>Your debian chroot is probably locked down
18:10<twb>I don't know enough about lineage to know WTF exctly is happening
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18:11<webmind>yeash, could be
18:11<webmind>tcpdump works interestingly enough
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18:11<Wulf>pid 5852 does some strange things with netlink messages
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18:13<Wulf>socket(AF_INET, SOCK_DGRAM|SOCK_CLOEXEC|SOCK_NONBLOCK, IPPROTO_IP) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied)
18:13<Wulf>perhaps that means no ipv4 is available, only ipv6?
18:13<twb>or no UDP
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18:13<twb>Does netcat work inside the chroot?
18:14<Habbie>or curl?
18:14<twb>or gnutls-cli example.com <<<'GET /FUCKED'
18:14<twb>Habbie: you beat me to it
18:14<Habbie>:)
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18:15<Wulf>ping on my system has "/bin/ping cap_net_raw=ep". Perhaps the system is locked down, but ping is allowed because of that?
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18:16<twb>that doesn't really make sense but it's possible
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18:17<twb>I mean... I'm assuming a modern container
18:17<twb>If it's literally chroot(2) then yeah that sort of makes sense
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18:18<webmind>curl a a bit much deps to install, trying netcat
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18:19<twb>nc EXAMPLE.COM http <<< 'GET /FUCKED'
18:20<Habbie>don't uppercase dns names, unless you want to expose a few more bugs in stacks :)
18:20<webmind>twb: that worksd
18:21<twb>webmind: you get a 505?
18:21<webmind>yes
18:21<twb>apt update -o Acquire::EnableSrvRecords=0
18:21<twb>apt update -o Acquire::EnableSrvRecords=0 -o Acquire::ForceIPv6=1
18:22<twb>that's a wild-ass guess
18:22<webmind>same issue, 2nd one: I disabled ipv6
18:22<twb>v4 then
18:22<twb>How did you disable v6?
18:22<webmind>sysctl
18:23<twb>so... host-wide, not just this chroot?
18:23<webmind>sysctl net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1
18:23<webmind>yeah
18:23<Habbie>also information that would have been super helpful two hours ago
18:23<webmind>Habbie: it wasn't disabled then
18:23<twb>That might completely fuck the android layer
18:23<webmind>well, it gives the same either way
18:24<twb>does "busybox ping" work the same as "ping" ?
18:24<twb>You're running *all* these commands inside the Debian chroot, right?
18:24<webmind>yes, all in the chroot
18:25<webmind>twb: output is the same
18:25<Habbie>(please do not describe output - nothing beats a pastebin)
18:25<twb>OK I give up. Ask the lineage people why DNS is being weird.
18:26<twb>You might also try other distros
18:26<Wulf>problem is that socket call. apt on my laptop does the same call and it succeeds.
18:26<webmind>Habbie: correct and on a second view they are different
18:27<twb>Wulf: hrm
18:27<webmind>twb: like not debian?
18:27<twb>webmind: yes
18:27<twb>webmind: fault isolation
18:27<Wulf>webmind: put "options use-vc" into /etc/resolv.conf
18:27<Habbie>or like not lineageos, of course
18:27<webmind>Habbie: don't really have another option for that
18:27<twb>Wulf: it's not even doing an connect(address) yes, so WTF is it blocking that for
18:28<twb>webmind: how come?
18:28<webmind>twb: it's the only os that works on this phone and still has updates
18:28<webmind>Wulf: done, same effect
18:28<Wulf>:(
18:29<webmind>https://pastebin.com/5Ar9MJLy <-- ping differences
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18:30<twb>The fact busybox ping works eliminates setcap being the issue
18:31<Wulf>webmind: got another strace with that setting?
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18:34<webmind>Wulf: coming up
18:36<webmind>Wulf: https://upload.disroot.org/r/n2XJNJ8L#IKE/Nqub1/GvzRPxF2uO+3DXg9pa1EBIkPa+xD5JWBg=
18:36<webmind>disabling selinux doesn't help either
18:37<twb>Are you literally using chroot(8) to enter the debian environment?
18:37<webmind>twb: I'm running 'chroot ./ /bin/bash -l'
18:37<webmind>chroot comes from toybox
18:37<twb>OK so probably not seccomp-bpf
18:38<Wulf>socket(AF_INET, SOCK_STREAM|SOCK_CLOEXEC, IPPROTO_IP) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied)
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18:38<twb>SOCK_STREAM = tcp, where previous failure was udp. Both failing, though
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18:40<webmind>trying a chroot from a different busybox, same results
18:40<Wulf>webmind: apparmor running?
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18:41<twb>"busybox chroot" just calls chroot(2)
18:41<twb>look at dmesg and/or syslog in lineag
18:42<webmind>Wulf: in the chroot apparmor_status gives "apparmor not present." don't have apparmor_status outside the chroot
18:42<twb>you'll see audit() in dmesg
18:42<twb>if it's apparmor
18:43<twb>This shell where you run "chroot . bash"... is it "adb shell", or what
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18:43<Wulf>My kernel was built with CONFIG_ANDROID_PARANOID_NETWORK, which disables socket() creation for processes which aren't in certain groups."
18:43<Wulf>https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-wpe/2018-December/000065.html
18:43<twb>Wulf: nice catch
18:43<twb>Wulf: so the problem is because apt is dropping privs and ping isn't
18:44<webmind>twb: yes, adb shell as root
18:44<webmind>twb: dmesg gives audit, but nothing new after running apt update
18:44<twb>apt update -o APT::Sandbox::User=root
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18:45<webmind>twb: Wulf \o/
18:45<webmind>that works
18:45<twb>I should have been more explicit about _apt privdrop earlier
18:46<webmind>Thanks everyone for this!
18:46<webmind>Any ideas on disabling it?
18:46<Wulf>apt does some setgroups calls: setgroups(13, [1004, 1007, 1011, 1015, 1028, 1078, 1079, 3001, 3002, 3003, 3006, 3009, 3011]) = 0
18:46<Wulf>is the "inet" group among those?
18:46<twb>You can drop that into /etc/apt/apt.conf
18:46<webmind>(veyond rebuilding the kernel)
18:47<twb>If you care eonugh you can work out how to make android trust _apt to make socket() calls
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18:47<Wulf>perhaps it's sufficient to add a supplementary group
18:47<twb>whatever
18:47<twb>I don't care anymore
18:48<webmind>twb: if I do that, apt complains about extra junk at endof file
18:48<webmind>Wulf: where do I check that?
18:49<Wulf>webmind: getent passwd 100; getent group inet
18:49<twb>webmind: the syntax is different
18:49<webmind>twb: ok, I'll look it up
18:49<twb>apt.conf is a C++ file
18:49<twb>man 5 apt.conf
18:50<webmind>Wulf: _apt:x:100:65534::/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin
18:50<MacGuges>Hello, I'm working on mounting a Windows share from my HyperV host onto a Debian VM. I don't know whether I'm using the correct username and password, but the last errors I received were "mount error(128): Key has been revoked" and "CIFS: Status code returned 0xc0000072 STATUS_ACCOUNT_DISABLED". https://paste.debian.net/1225089/
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18:51<Wulf>webmind: and is there an inet group? which gid?
18:51<webmind>Wulf: nope, none
18:51<MacGuges>Should I be using DefaultAccount here? I'm not sure if I could be using this account or my AzureAD login. I'm not sure which password I'd use for that, since I login with a windows "pin"
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18:52<RoyK>twb: erm - no - apt.conf is not a c++ file
18:53<Wulf>webmind: perhaps outside of chroot?
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18:54<webmind>Wulf: /etc/group is empty and no getent
18:54<MacGuges>I selected DefaultAccount from the Computer Management applet in Windows 10. I confirmed I receive a different error for entering an invalid password for this local user.
18:56<Wulf>webmind: add "inet:x:3003:_apt" to /etc/group
18:56<twb>MacGuges: are you trying to do unencrypted SMB3 over the public internet?
18:57<twb>MacGuges: see if smbclient gives clearer error message
18:58<twb>MacGuges: the errors in dmesg look like "wrong password" and/or "account locked"
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18:58<MacGuges>I tried installing smbclient, but the samba package didn't provide it.
18:59<twb>MacGuges: last time I fought this, it was more like '-ousername=EXAMPLE.COM\Alice Mukerjee' IIRC
18:59<MacGuges>I had deliberately tried a wrong password after receiving the "account locked" response.
18:59<Wulf>webmind: or set _apt's group to 3003
19:00<Wulf>doesn't look like the process is reading from /etc/group at all
19:00<twb>But I think now that "the cloud" exists, they want you to log in with "the" global AD domain, which I guess is somtehing like HOTMAIL.COM\alice.mukherjee@gmail.com >_
19:00<MacGuges>I'm mounting this share from same machine hosting the debian VM. The SMB3 connection is over this private virtual switch.
19:00<twb>MacGuges: the share is provided by the Windows personality?
19:01<webmind>Wulf: yeah, doesn't solve it
19:01<MacGuges>yeah, I can see it from its Computer Management applet.
19:02<webmind>Wulf: setting apt's group to 3003 helps
19:02<MacGuges>My goal is to allow me to read a password store from the host.
19:02<Wulf>yay :)
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19:03<MacGuges>twb: so you think I should login with the AzureAD\BenTaylor credentials instead?
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19:04<twb>MacGuges: I'm not sure
19:04<twb>MacGuges: since passwords are INHERENTLY wrong, I would either go all-in and kinit, or all-out and allow anonymous access on the windows sie
19:04<twb>*side
19:05<twb>Most of my SMB fighting recently has been all-out
19:05<twb>Oh and smbclient is "apt install smbclient" in Debian
19:09<MacGuges>Thank you for the recommendation.
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20:32<twb>OK, so I have thunar accessing sftp://p123@inmates/p123/Documents (using gvfs-backends)
20:33<twb>That works fine, but when I try to double-click on test1.xlsx, libreoffice's splash appears, but libreoffice doesn't actually start.
20:33<twb>As at Debian 9, libreoffice needs gvfs-fuse to actually "see" sftp:// content.
20:34<twb>But there's nothing relevant-looking in the user journal, nor in .xsession-errors.
20:34<twb>If in thunar I just copy-paste test1.xlsx from sftp:// to the local user's ~/Documents, libreoffice can open it just fine
20:35<twb>"mount | grep fuse" shows that /run/user/10243/gvfs is mounted. So fuse is doing its job.
20:37<twb>From xfce4-terminal, I can run: localc /run/user/10243/gvfs/sftp\:host\=inmates\,user\=p123/p123/Documents\Untitled\ 1.xlsx
20:37<twb>...and that works.
20:37<twb>(Sorry, in all cases it's "Untitled 1.xlsx", not "test1.xlsx")
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20:40<twb>From within libreoffice, Ctrl+O shows a GTK3 open dialog. It can't look at the p123 share itself (because it's locked -- expected) but I can Ctrl+L sftp://p123@inmates/p123/Doc<tab tab tab> and it can enumerate both directories and files. BUT when I select Untitled 1.xlsx there, it silently fails again.
20:42<twb>Hrm, trying to save into that folder, "Error saving the document Untitled 1: Non-existed object. Path to the file does not exist."
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21:34<twb>OK, useful fault isolation: double-clicking on rose.png and choosing chromium, chromium opens the image just fine. chromium address bar shows /run/user/10243/gvfs/...
21:35<twb>This means the problem is somehow libreoffice
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23:02<donfede>somiaj: ty for feedback; yes i'm on stable, and am trying to hold off the recent point release update (for a week or so), thus seeking a way to apply only critical/security updates
23:03*donfede seems like a shortcoming/feature-request of apt-get
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23:35<twb>donfede: RHEL has "yum update --cve=CVE-2021-12345" to only patch a *specific* vulnerability even
23:35<twb>donfede: "unattended-upgrades" is able to select only updates from the security repo, but this is not really a reliable metric
23:36<twb>I'm not sure if you can easily do a pin for a single apt command
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23:36<twb>You basically want to pin the same things as Unattended-Upgrade::Origins-Pattern
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23:38<jmcnaught>donfede: "apt install ~U~Astable-security" might do what you want
23:38<twb>donfede: maybe something like this? apt -s upgrade '?installed?archive(security)'
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23:39<twb>That won't actually install the security version, though
23:39<twb>it'll istall the latest of those selected packages
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23:43<Sqrt{Not}>aptitude in interactive mode can show you the proposed updates, and let you choose which you want
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23:49<twb>I do this, it helps:
23:49<twb>aptitude -oaptitude::UI::Package-Display-Format="%c%a%M%S %p %Z %t %v %V"
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