| --- | Log | opened Tue Dec 28 00:00:04 2021 |
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| 00:17 | <Naysayist> | /ns register d0p3asd0p3 naysayist@protonmail.com |
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| 00:21 | <jcbjoe2021> | ... |
| 00:22 | <jcbjoe2021> | Naysayist: why did you do that? |
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| 00:23 | <Naysayist> | I haven't used IRC in 20 years or so |
| 00:24 | <jcbjoe2021> | cool |
| 00:24 | <jcbjoe2021> | Naysayist: change your password cause we all know it now. people can unregister you drop your nick whatever |
| 00:25 | <jcbjoe2021> | i would /query nickserv so you have a priv conversation and do everything there |
| 00:26 | <Naysayist> | is it ./msg nickserv register password email? |
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| 00:27 | <jcbjoe2021> | yea don't use /ns or ./msg use /msg or /query nickserv |
| 00:27 | <jcbjoe2021> | i hate doing /msg in a channel cause something could go wrong and everyone sees what you typed |
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| 00:29 | <Naysayist> | /me feels stupid |
| 00:29 | <Naysayist> | WHY DOES IT DO THAT |
| 00:29 | <somiaj> | why are you making everything bold? |
| 00:29 | <Naysayist> | Quassel sucks dick |
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| 00:30 | <somiaj> | if you have bold characters before /, it won't be read as a command. |
| 00:30 | <jcbjoe2021> | Naysayist: use weechat or irssi or hexchat for a new irc client |
| 00:30 | * | Naysayist test |
| 00:30 | <Naysayist> | there |
| 00:32 | <Unit193> | Never seen Quassel do that before. |
| 00:32 | <Naysayist> | Fresh install too |
| 00:32 | <Naysayist> | ??? |
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| 00:33 | <Naysayist> | Alright, well back to discord |
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| 00:40 | <jcbjoe2021> | did he leave? |
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| 00:48 | <StarOnD> | My `apt install` keeps freezing. What do I do ? I have a blank Debian 11 on a Virtual machine |
| 00:48 | <somiaj> | yes they did |
| 00:48 | <somiaj> | StarOnD: provide more info, what is the exact command you run, what is the last thing you see when it 'freezes' |
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| 00:52 | <StarOnD> | somiaj: I ran ```sudo apt install texlive-full``` The progress bar FROZE at 44%. I closed that terminal and did ```sudo apt clean``` followed by ```dpkg --configure -a``` Now when I did ```sudo apt upgrade``` the progress bar is frozen at 5% |
| 00:56 | <StarOnD> | any hints for me ? |
| 00:56 | <somiaj> | StarOnD: just wait |
| 00:57 | <somiaj> | and wait and wait |
| 00:57 | <somiaj> | I'm not sure what some of the texlive packages do (I think one has like 100k files or something strange), it just takes a while, it probably isn't frozen. On a vm it can take a bit longer |
| 00:58 | <somiaj> | But even here on my system with an nvme ssd on a fast machine, I thought the same thing, and ended up having to wait 15 mins or so for any update |
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| 00:59 | <jcbjoe2021> | StarOnD: textlive-full is like Size: 34316 and depends on so much type apt-cache show texlive-full |
| 01:00 | <somiaj> | jcbjoe2021: there is some package down the chain that just takes a long time to unpack I belive |
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| 01:01 | <StarOnD> | ok thank you guys |
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| 01:02 | <somiaj> | # dpkg -L textlive-fonts-extra | wc -l -> 94645. I think it just takes a long time to unpack almost 100k files |
| 01:02 | <StarOnD> | Unpacking texlive-fonts-extra (2020.20210202-3) over (2020.20210202-3) ... <<< This is where it is frozen |
| 01:03 | <somiaj> | StarOnD: yea, it isn't frozen, it will just take a long time due to the number of files I belive |
| 01:04 | <somiaj> | because recall dpkg doesn't just unpack files directly into place, it does something (don't understand the details) to verify there are no file overlaps with its database, and make a backup of the current file if upgrading. |
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| 01:08 | <StarOnD> | somiaj: many thanks |
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| 01:45 | <jcbjoe2021> | somiaj: are there any offical debian discord servers? |
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| 03:14 | <alexrelis1> | jcbjoe2021: No, and I don't think that is in the pipeline, as Discord doesn't agree with the principles of free software. |
| 03:15 | <alexrelis1> | But I have advocated to make an official Matrix chat and have that bridge with IRC. |
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| 03:45 | <captnfab> | alexrelis1: a problem with bridges is that if n networks are connected, then you have to agree to all network's privacy policy when you write on any of them |
| 03:46 | <captnfab> | meaning that it's only reasonnable to bridge "well behaving" networks |
| 03:49 | <jcbjoe2021> | thanks alexrelis1 |
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| 03:49 | <captnfab> | so to make an irc<->matrix<->discord bridge, it would require everyone here to accept discord's privacy policy |
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| 04:50 | <Linux77> | hi cool friends! grateful... |
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| 08:50 | <popsmoke> | I tried to copy a file, from an external hdd to the internal hdd. it failed. can anyone explain this error? https://paste.debian.net/1225039/ |
| 08:50 | <petn-randall> | popsmoke: Did the copy command fail? |
| 08:51 | <petn-randall> | popsmoke: "Unrecovered read error" means the hardware is failing. |
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| 08:52 | <popsmoke> | petn-randall: here, https://gcdn.pbrd.co/images/70fTiqFhDY6h.png?o=1 |
| 08:52 | <sussudio> | popsmoke: were you the one with the 10+ year old laptop hdd last time |
| 08:53 | <popsmoke> | sussudio: i dont think so |
| 08:54 | <azeem> | popsmoke: run smartctl diagnosticts |
| 08:54 | <azeem> | !smarts |
| 08:54 | <azeem> | !smart |
| 08:54 | <azeem> | hrmpf |
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| 08:57 | <sussudio> | alright. 12-13 year old laptop hdd it is. |
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| 08:59 | <popsmoke> | sussudio: yes that is true, its an old laptop hdd. so you think it has bad sectors or something and this is why it returned that error? |
| 08:59 | <azeem> | it's the most plausible explanation |
| 09:01 | <sussudio> | popsmoke: probably dead. |
| 09:02 | <Sqrt{Not}> | popsmoke, did you try running smartctl against it? Does that work over your USB|SATA adapter? |
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| 09:03 | <Sqrt{Not}> | !smartctl |
| 09:03 | <dpkg> | The smartmontools package provides the smartctl and smartd utilities, used to control/monitor devices supporting "Self-Monitoring, Analysis and Reporting Technology" built into modern ATA and SCSI hard disks. After installation, read /usr/share/doc/smartmontools/README.Debian for initial configuration and upstream recommendations. http://sf.net/apps/trac/smartmontools/wiki/FAQ http://smartmontools.sf.net/ |
| 09:04 | <popsmoke> | ah |
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| 09:15 | <tohoyn> | popsmoke: maybe fsck could be useful, too |
| 09:15 | <azeem> | well, I suggest trying to copy and crucial data off it first, then trying to make a 1:1 copy |
| 09:16 | <azeem> | a fsck could corrupt things more |
| 09:16 | <azeem> | copy any* |
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| 09:22 | <none> | now since debian xfce is quite minimalist how do i format a usb? |
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| 09:22 | <Sqrt{Not}> | none, I would use the command line |
| 09:22 | <none> | can you link me a resource for that ? |
| 09:23 | <spawacz> | sudo fdisk /dev/whatever |
| 09:23 | <none> | ok i will look into it thanks anyway |
| 09:23 | <Sqrt{Not}> | `man fdisk` and `man mkfs` |
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| 11:39 | <xavier> | register |
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| 12:04 | <scorpion2185[m]> | is there something like shazam for Debian? |
| 12:04 | <scorpion2185[m]> | what is a good VM for andriod (phone) to install Debian? |
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| 13:18 | <xavier> | REGISTER HC.adv26368 xdeyzaguirre@gmail.com |
| 13:19 | <amacater_> | msg nickserv help register |
| 13:19 | <amacater_> | xavier: I think you need /msg nickserv register |
| 13:21 | <amacater_> | exit |
| 13:21 | <xavier> | REGISTER HC.adv26368 xdeyzaguirre@gmail.com |
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| 13:36 | <xavier> | amacater_ Thanks |
| 13:36 | <another> | /msg nickserv help register |
| 13:37 | <scorpion2185[m]> | !register |
| 13:37 | <dpkg> | scorpion2185[m]: /msg nickserv help |
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| 13:56 | <bleb> | [x-post libera/#zfs] my zpool did not mount at boot, and zpool list says no pools available |
| 13:58 | <bleb> | systemctl status zfs-import says Loaded: masked (Reason: Unit zfs-import.service is masked.) |
| 13:58 | <bleb> | Active: inactive (dead) |
| 13:58 | <bleb> | journalctl zfs-import says Failed to add match 'zfs-import': Invalid argument |
| 13:59 | <amacater_> | On Debian? |
| 13:59 | <bleb> | assuming I didn't get this stupid fucking systemd syntax wrong (which I wouldn't have to remember if there were just log files), what's the next step? |
| 13:59 | <bleb> | yes |
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| 14:00 | <bleb> | buster |
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| 14:02 | <bleb> | I cross posted because there's some urgency |
| 14:02 | <bleb> | but what are you gonna do |
| 14:03 | <zoke> | isn't it 'journalctl -u zfs-import' ? |
| 14:03 | <bleb> | thanks, I don't know why that wasn't in my shell history but journalctl zfs-import was |
| 14:03 | <bleb> | anyway |
| 14:03 | <zoke> | as in show me all logs related to unit zfs-import |
| 14:03 | <bleb> | -- No entries -- |
| 14:04 | <bleb> | -- Logs begin at Tue 2021-12-28 13:24:56 EST, end at Tue 2021-12-28 14:02:31 EST. -- |
| 14:04 | <TobiX> | Well, if it is masked, there won't be any logs for it... |
| 14:04 | <bleb> | cool |
| 14:04 | <bleb> | any way to figure out why it's masked |
| 14:04 | <zoke> | I have no experiance with zfs... So I don't know what to expect from it regarding services and logs |
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| 14:06 | <bleb> | this is exactly the kind of instability I picked debian to avoid |
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| 14:06 | <TobiX> | bleb: See "ls -la /etc/systemd/system" - But unfortunatly I can't help you to find out why the service is masked |
| 14:06 | <bleb> | guess I souldn't depend on a filesystem that requires systemd to mount |
| 14:06 | <zoke> | have you tried to umask it? |
| 14:06 | <jmcnaught> | is it supposed to be masked? |
| 14:06 | <bleb> | it wasn't the last time I booted my machine |
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| 14:07 | <bleb> | zoke: no, how would I do that? |
| 14:07 | <zoke> | systemctl unmask zfs-import |
| 14:08 | <bleb> | TobiX: what am I looking for |
| 14:08 | <bleb> | rwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jun 17 2020 zfs-import.target.wants |
| 14:08 | <TobiX> | "masked" units are usally symlinked to /dev/null IIRC |
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| 14:09 | <bleb> | "usually" |
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| 14:09 | <zoke> | TobiX: correct regarding /dev/null |
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| 14:09 | <bleb> | verbatim from my shell: |
| 14:09 | <bleb> | # systemctl unmask zfs-import |
| 14:09 | <bleb> | # systemctl start zfs-import |
| 14:09 | <bleb> | Failed to start zfs-import.service: Unit zfs-import.service is masked. |
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| 14:10 | <bleb> | did I miss anything |
| 14:10 | <zoke> | nope |
| 14:11 | <bleb> | well |
| 14:11 | <zoke> | just remembered that I have zfs-tools installed |
| 14:11 | <bleb> | I guess systemd decided to depart from the "unix philosophy" where silently completing a command with status 0 means it succeeded |
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| 14:12 | <bleb> | who needs error messages when something goes wrong? |
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| 14:13 | <zoke> | zfs-import.service is masked on my machine |
| 14:13 | <bleb> | is there a systemd-stderr-ctl I can use to check what went wrong there? |
| 14:13 | <jmcnaught> | So it was probably always masked and the volumes get imported by another mechanism or unit. |
| 14:13 | <zoke> | are the zfs kernel moduleds loaded? |
| 14:14 | <bleb> | no, I have notes showing that zfs-import ran just fine before |
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| 14:14 | <bleb> | yes, modprobe zfs exits without error |
| 14:14 | * | zoke running sid |
| 14:14 | <bleb> | I picked the most stable release since that's what I care about |
| 14:15 | <zoke> | run 'systemctl status "zfs*"' and check if any service failed |
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| 14:16 | <zoke> | i have ~8 services/targets listed by that command |
| 14:17 | <bleb> | thanks, found one: |
| 14:17 | <bleb> | zfs-import-cache.service |
| 14:17 | <bleb> | Dec 28 13:25:00 n40l zpool[384]: cannot import 'z': one or more devices is currently unavailable |
| 14:18 | <zoke> | looks like we have a winner :/ |
| 14:18 | <bleb> | does zfs-import-cache.service have a file I can look at to see which commands it's running, so that I could run them individually and try to get it to tell me which devices it's looking for? |
| 14:19 | <zoke> | you can try 'systemctl show zfs-import-cache.service' |
| 14:20 | <zoke> | should show what command it's running (and a bunch of other info) |
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| 14:20 | <jmcnaught> | "systemctl cat foo.service" to see a unit's contents. "systemctl status foo.service" will also tell you the file's location. |
| 14:20 | <zoke> | the 'cat one is probably better |
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| 14:21 | <bleb> | ok ExecStart=/sbin/zpool import -c /etc/zfs/zpool.cache -aN |
| 14:21 | <bleb> | I wasn't aware I had a cache |
| 14:21 | <bleb> | I just want to import my pool |
| 14:23 | <jmcnaught> | bleb: did you look at "journalctl -u zfs-import-cache.service"? that one line "one or more devices is currently unavailable" suggests there is more information. |
| 14:25 | <bleb> | jmcnaught: here is the complete output: http://ix.io/3JPz |
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| 14:28 | <bleb> | /sbin/zpool import -c /etc/zfs/zpool.cache -aN prints cannot import 'z': one or more devices is currently unavailable |
| 14:29 | <bleb> | don't see any options for increasing verbosity |
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| 14:30 | <jmcnaught> | Look at the journal without filtering to just the one unit, see if you can find more errors about devices failing for example. |
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| 14:32 | <bittin^> | stupid question, but do someone know how i can ignore installing kernels from backports? |
| 14:32 | <sussudio> | !pinning |
| 14:32 | <dpkg> | Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at https://web.archive.org/web/20121017070250/http://carlo17.home.xs4all.nl/howto/debian.html#errata . If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system, ask me about <backports> instead. https://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 14:33 | <bleb> | jmcnaught: I see references to my wd red drives printed by smartd, after the zpool error |
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| 14:34 | <bleb> | just grepping for "device," maybe there's another way to look |
| 14:34 | <jmcnaught> | bittin^: kernels from backports won't be installed unless you do it manually. |
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| 14:34 | <bleb> | but could this mean zfs is trying to mount its pool before the devices are initialized? |
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| 14:34 | <bittin^> | jmcnaught, but if i try to use apt upgrade -t debian-backports its trying to install the kernel |
| 14:35 | <jmcnaught> | bittin^: do not do that! |
| 14:35 | <bittin^> | jmcnaught, i don't as my gpu does not work that but is there any way to tell apt to not offer it? |
| 14:36 | <bleb> | OK I wsa able to import it with zpool import -d /dev/sdb1 -d /dev/sdd1 |
| 14:36 | <jmcnaught> | bittin^: https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ specifically says "The coinstallability of all available backports is not tested, and it is strongly recommended to opt-into the use of specific backported packages on an as-needed basis." |
| 14:36 | <bleb> | happy to follow up if anyone has ideas for how to actually fix my system |
| 14:36 | <bleb> | but for now I'm going to migrate to alpine |
| 14:36 | <jmcnaught> | bittin^: in other words, do not attempt to upgrade all your packages to backports, only take a few that you need |
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| 14:37 | <bleb> | maybe now that centos is gone debian will rebase onto devuan and I will start believing claims of stability again |
| 14:37 | <jmcnaught> | maybe it would help if you learned even the basics of systemd |
| 14:38 | <bleb> | I never felt the need to do an elearning course on sysvinit |
| 14:38 | <jmcnaught> | Not even clear why you think it's at fault for a ZFS problem. |
| 14:39 | <bleb> | because zfs-import, a systemd service, stopped working |
| 14:39 | <bleb> | with no warning |
| 14:39 | <bleb> | and nobody seems able to figure out why it stopped |
| 14:39 | <bleb> | or even how to re-enable it |
| 14:39 | <bleb> | even with an explicit command run by root |
| 14:39 | <jmcnaught> | zfs-import was masked on another user's system, so clearly it's not how ZFS gets started anymore if it ever was |
| 14:40 | <jmcnaught> | What I read online is zfs-import-cache.service is used now in its place. |
| 14:40 | <Sqrt{Not}> | bleb, maybe you should look at the smartctl error you mentioned on one of your disks? |
| 14:40 | <jmcnaught> | But if the zfs commands are failing even when you run them manually, then ZFS is messed up and not the init system trying to run the commands. |
| 14:41 | <bleb> | Sqrt{Not}: it wasn't an error, it was just showing that it accessed them successfully |
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| 14:42 | <bleb> | jmcnaught: could be, or maybe the transition from zfs-import to zfs-import-cache was bungled |
| 14:42 | <bleb> | zfs-import-cache expects a certain cache file, for some reason it was not there or not in the correct state |
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| 14:44 | <bleb> | happy to try things if anyone has any idea how to determine which is true |
| 14:45 | <Sqrt{Not}> | bleb, how did you manage that transition? |
| 14:45 | <bleb> | Sqrt{Not}: apt update && apt upgrade |
| 14:45 | <bleb> | followed by a reboot |
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| 14:46 | <bleb> | I'm not doing anything non standard, just followed the most normal commands I could find from official sources on setting up the most stable debian box with a zfs pool consisting of two mirrored disks |
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| 14:48 | <bleb> | then had some hurdles where dkms wasn't building the right version of zfs, which I'm not convinced has been resolved |
| 14:48 | <bleb> | now this |
| 14:48 | <Sqrt{Not}> | bleb, maybe that is related ? |
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| 14:49 | <bleb> | the latter problem would be solved (albeit temporarily) once modprobe zfs suceeded |
| 14:50 | <bleb> | this seems different because modprobe zfs had no problem |
| 14:50 | <bleb> | but yes it could be related, who's to say |
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| 14:52 | <bleb> | anyway thanks everyone, wouldn't have been able to access my pool at all without the help |
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| 14:55 | <bittin^> | i figured it out thanks :) |
| 14:57 | <amacater_> | bleb: Now you've done this, time to update to bullseye? It is now stable, at version 11.2 and buster will not be supported as oldstable forever :) |
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| 14:57 | <bleb> | as stable as buster? oh goody |
| 14:58 | <bittin^> | amacater_, gonna be buster LTS gladly |
| 14:58 | <bittin^> | :p |
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| 14:58 | <bleb> | amacater_: fyi I did not fix my system, just was able to import the zpools manually |
| 14:59 | <amacater_> | Nore stable: You have to remember that each version of Debian has two years of work before it gets released as it develops, then 2 years of support + 1 year as oldstable + whatever LTS and ELTS for a subset of packages :) |
| 15:00 | <bleb> | so buster should have been as stable as possible up til now |
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| 15:01 | <bleb> | I might upgrade to chimaera, but small user base + much of debian's complexity could be a bad combination |
| 15:03 | <jmcnaught> | Is this the first time rebooting the system since ZFS was configured? |
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| 15:05 | <Karlton> | you could just install sysvinit, but this isn't going to solve your ZFS problem |
| 15:06 | <alexrelis> | This is not helpful, but I recommend configuring your system with BTRFS instead, as it's natively supported by the linux kernel. |
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| 15:09 | <bleb> | jmcnaught: no, I just did it last week |
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| 15:09 | <bleb> | alexrelis: yes that could help, or just have a more stable and less complex layer between the kernel and the services needed to mount the filesystem |
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| 15:14 | <Scuttle> | Not sure what's going on, but docker images based on bookworm seems to be broken... Tried python:latest and debian:latest Both fail when doing apt update - https://paste.debian.net/1225075/ |
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| 15:16 | <TobiX> | Scuttle: "bookworm" support is in #debian-next |
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| 15:17 | <TobiX> | Scuttle: python:latest and debian:latest should point to Debian stable (bullseye) instead... |
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| 15:17 | <Scuttle> | I'm sorry, I meant bullseye, the same error occurs in both |
| 15:18 | <Scuttle> | Here's the result from debian:bullseye - https://paste.debian.net/1225078/ |
| 15:18 | <umuench> | topic must be changed to 11.2 ?^^ |
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| 15:18 | <lavamind> | Scuttle: I've seen that error when there is no more disk space available |
| 15:19 | <TobiX> | Scuttle: Cannot reproduce. Must be a network problem on your end |
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| 15:19 | <Scuttle> | Oh my god... I'm an idiot... |
| 15:19 | <TobiX> | Oh yes. Or full disc |
| 15:19 | <Scuttle> | yep, it was the full disk.... bah |
| 15:20 | <TobiX> | I like to run "docker system prune -af" regularly ;) |
| 15:20 | <TobiX> | (If you don't have local images to keep around, that is) |
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| 15:33 | <revolt> | hello |
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| 15:34 | <revolt> | is there any app for console lookup for power |
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| 15:34 | <bremner> | like powertop? |
| 15:34 | <revolt> | yyy |
| 15:34 | <revolt> | no ide im checking |
| 15:35 | <revolt> | like to watch power line what power is there |
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| 15:40 | <revolt> | bremner: yey powertop is ok, |
| 15:40 | <revolt> | is there anythin more ? |
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| 15:41 | <revolt> | something thats is printing output on munin ? |
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| 15:42 | <bremner> | revolt: lots of things like battery level are available in /sys |
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| 15:42 | <bremner> | not sure about power consumption |
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| 15:44 | <Canada89> | hi |
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| 15:47 | <revolt> | mor likley i want to see power consumction or lines 3.3v 12v and 5 volts |
| 15:48 | <Canada89> | i have problem with nickserv |
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| 15:51 | <bremner> | Canada89: #oftc can help you with nickserv |
| 15:52 | <Canada89> | ok thanks |
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| 16:32 | <twb> | Can current linux kernels mount exfat filesystems without any fuse? |
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| 16:32 | <twb> | "grep fat /proc/filesystems" doesn't seem so as at 5.14 |
| 16:33 | <twb> | OTOH, https://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_5.14 mentions it |
| 16:33 | <twb> | Yeah I just needed "modprobe exfat" for that |
| 16:33 | <twb> | So that's Good Enough |
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| 16:42 | <TobiX> | twb: Since 5.7: https://kernelnewbies.org/Linux_5.7#New_exFAT_file_system |
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| 16:47 | <twb> | Thanks |
| 16:47 | <twb> | I worked that out while I was distratected by #windows :-) |
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| 16:48 | <twb> | And ntfs3 needs 5.15, which is not in bpo yet :-( |
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| 17:03 | <amacater_> | twb: That's the Paragon Software one - hmmm, 5.15 isn't even in sid yet, I don't think. |
| 17:03 | <twb> | amacater_: "rmadison linux" says otherwise |
| 17:04 | <amacater_> | You're right - I just checked - it's in sid :) |
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| 17:11 | <cp0m> | Hello |
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| 17:12 | <cp0m> | i have a question about setting up steam/proton in debian 11/12 with nvidia-driver. Is this the correct channel for such a question? |
| 17:13 | <twb> | cp0m: I don't know if Debian supports third-party stuff like that |
| 17:13 | <cp0m> | Yes, that makes sence, thank you! :) |
| 17:13 | <twb> | "I fucked up my system by installing non-free nvidia drivers, how do I fix it" is quite common here |
| 17:13 | <twb> | steam stuff, not so much |
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| 17:14 | <twb> | I thought steam essentially just shipped an full archlinux install as a chroot anyway? |
| 17:14 | <cp0m> | the drivers are working fine, did it alot of times the last years :), its more about directx / vulkan / dkvx support of them, comparing to the wokring one on ubuntu |
| 17:15 | <cp0m> | i think steam uses a ubuntu 12.04 root as compatibility layer |
| 17:15 | <cp0m> | but will see how stack overflow might help me |
| 17:15 | <twb> | It used to be ubuntu |
| 17:16 | <twb> | https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/heres-why-steamos-switched-from-debian-to-arch-linux |
| 17:16 | <twb> | I guess "steamos" isn't the same as "steam" |
| 17:17 | <cp0m> | Yep, thats right, but its still interesting, why directx compatibility layere works perfectly fine on ubuntu 18.04 but not on debian 11 / 12, and many games are only booting over the directx2opengl layer of wine with the PROTON_USE_WINED3D=1 env var |
| 17:18 | <cp0m> | i guess it has something to do with the vulkan / dxvk / nvapi api of the nvidia-drivers |
| 17:19 | <twb> | Is there an equivalent of winehq's "does XXX work in wine?" wiki, for steam/proton? |
| 17:19 | <twb> | e.g. does STALKER run |
| 17:19 | <cp0m> | yep, protondb, but also there, nearly every other distro has no problems with running directx windows games out-of-the-box. |
| 17:20 | <twb> | Last time I tried with SMAC and it was a shitshow. I have enough trouble getting Windows games to run on Windows. |
| 17:21 | * | twb looks pointedly at everything made during the GFWL era |
| 17:21 | <cp0m> | Yep, GFWL is a pain to crack |
| 17:21 | <twb> | No open-source engine for Thief yet either |
| 17:22 | <cp0m> | MMh, anyway, i might have some other 2 questions, more debian relevant |
| 17:22 | <twb> | oh actually I had *two* problems with fallout 3. One was GFWL, the other was because my GPU is a mix of radeon and intel parts, and it didn't like that at all. I had to use a LD_PRELOAD hack to spoof "are you an nvidia GPU?" to always return "yes" |
| 17:23 | <twb> | Also just random debugging tools like the STALKER and Witcher unpackers only run on Windows |
| 17:23 | <twb> | (Although maybe they work on proton) |
| 17:24 | <cp0m> | f3 has many problems. There is much to do to get it running on newer windows versions. |
| 17:24 | <cp0m> | F4, however, worked out-of-the-box on proton on ubuntu 18.04 |
| 17:24 | <twb> | I finally had it working and then steam updated it to a version that FOSE can't talk to :/ |
| 17:24 | <cp0m> | so, f3 might also work easely |
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| 17:25 | <twb> | Yeah newer games probably not so big a deal |
| 17:25 | <twb> | Especially since if you (steam) just solve unreal and unity3d and they're already 80% done |
| 17:26 | <cp0m> | I also dont like steam, and i hope there would be much easier solutions than the steam client + proton to get games running. :/, but NFS ProStreet from disc works very good on wine |
| 17:26 | <twb> | I play a lot of slavic jank games like Gorky 17 though |
| 17:26 | <twb> | Mor. Utopia |
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| 17:28 | <twb> | That's running on unity3d now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathologic |
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| 17:34 | <cp0m> | I am very thankfull for the devs of some games making different variants of it like xplane (directx, opengl, vulkan) |
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| 17:36 | <twb> | Wasn't x-plane originally open source and in Debian anyway? |
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| 17:36 | <webmind> | Hi |
| 17:37 | <webmind> | Can anyone tell me what apt or apt-get does different in resolving? ping resolves deb.debian.org fine, but apt gives a "Temporary failure resolving 'deb.debian.org'" |
| 17:37 | <webmind> | /etc/resolv.conf is set to a nameserver (8.8.8.8) which is reachable |
| 17:38 | <Wulf> | webmind: one might use name servers directly and another some nss plugin |
| 17:38 | <Habbie> | ping does not resolve it here |
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| 17:39 | <cp0m> | deb.debian.org resolves from germany, google dns |
| 17:39 | <twb> | webmind: are you talking about the SRV record or the AAAA record? |
| 17:39 | <cp0m> | twb: i dont know, but its very commercial. Maybe in a much older version |
| 17:40 | <webmind> | twb: no v6 on this box yet. Just noticing ping can resolve, but apt can't |
| 17:40 | <Wulf> | twb: why would there be an SRV record? |
| 17:41 | <twb> | Wulf: becaus that's how deb.debian.org works |
| 17:41 | <Wulf> | twb: no? |
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| 17:41 | <twb> | Wulf: /usr/lib/apt/apt-helper srv-lookup _http._tcp.deb.debian.org |
| 17:41 | <twb> | It's how it discovers the CDN |
| 17:41 | <Wulf> | webmind: such problems can be debugged with strace + tcpdump |
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| 17:42 | <Wulf> | twb: my bad, sorry. |
| 17:42 | <kenyon> | `getent hosts deb.debian.org` is also handy to test the system resolver |
| 17:42 | <twb> | it's not super obvious that it happens |
| 17:42 | <kenyon> | https://deb.debian.org/ mentions SRV record usage |
| 17:42 | <twb> | I'd also check if you are setting an apt-specific proxy ("apt-config dump") |
| 17:43 | <webmind> | twb: that one seems to also work |
| 17:43 | <twb> | kenyon: ah, thanks. I was looking in "man apt" &c |
| 17:43 | <twb> | webmind: can you pastebin "apt policy" ? |
| 17:44 | <webmind> | https://pastebin.com/ZHJacEmQ |
| 17:45 | <webmind> | getent hosts deb.debian.org only gives a v6 address |
| 17:45 | <twb> | OK that looks about right |
| 17:45 | <twb> | Does your ping run as root? i.e. it is setuid? |
| 17:46 | <twb> | Try apt update -oDebug::Acquire::http=1 -oDebug::Acquire::https=1 |
| 17:47 | <webmind> | I work as root, no other users yet |
| 17:47 | <twb> | cp0m: re xplane -- I can't find any supporting evidence. I *swear* around Debian 3 there was a really garbage cheapo flight sim called someting like "xplane". Much smaller than flightgear. |
| 17:48 | <twb> | webmind: ah yeah and apt will run as root anyway so meh |
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| 17:48 | <webmind> | twb: https://pastebin.com/HrFGk8XC |
| 17:49 | <Wulf> | webmind: got strace installed? output of strace -ff -s 256 -v -o apt.trace apt-get update? |
| 17:49 | <webmind> | Wulf: not yet, I'll go and find some pkgs to put on the system |
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| 17:50 | <twb> | webmind: ls -lh /etc/resolv.conf |
| 17:50 | <twb> | webmind: is it root-only? |
| 17:51 | <webmind> | 4 -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 19 Dec 28 22:28 /etc/resolv.conf |
| 17:51 | <webmind> | nope |
| 17:51 | <twb> | I'm stumped |
| 17:52 | <twb> | you might as well look at strace, but I don't know what it'll spot |
| 17:52 | <twb> | And tcpdump or tshark and compare the DNS packets |
| 17:52 | <Wulf> | my guess: systemd-resolved is somehow running and making trouble. |
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| 17:52 | <Habbie> | my local debugging so far points to systemd-resolved choking on the PTR query, in ping |
| 17:52 | <Habbie> | which is opposite from webmind's problem where apt is the failing one |
| 17:52 | <Habbie> | so, not useful yet |
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| 17:53 | <twb> | webmind: "resolvectl query deb.debian.org" |
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| 17:53 | <Habbie> | (my local debugging does tell me deb.debian.org is special in some way) |
| 17:53 | <twb> | "-- Information acquired via protocol DNS in 1.3ms." my arse. That's a local cache, not DNS at all. |
| 17:54 | <webmind> | ok, strace and tcpdump installed |
| 17:54 | <twb> | webmind: might as well "resolvectl query --type=SRV _http._tcp.deb.debian.org" also |
| 17:54 | <twb> | I've run out of OBVIOUS things it could be |
| 17:55 | <webmind> | sd_bus_open_system: No such file or directory |
| 17:55 | <twb> | Look at /etc/nsswitch.conf as well of course |
| 17:55 | <webmind> | that seems a lead |
| 17:55 | <Habbie> | webmind, are you inside docker? |
| 17:55 | <twb> | webmind: that's probably just saying "resolved is not running" |
| 17:55 | <twb> | Habbie: ohhhhhh |
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| 17:55 | <Wulf> | I get "deb.debian.org: resolve call failed: Unit dbus-org.freedesktop.resolve1.service not found." And it's not running on my system. |
| 17:55 | <webmind> | Habbie: no, chroot |
| 17:56 | <Habbie> | chroot is also a smoking gun :) |
| 17:56 | <webmind> | on lineageos |
| 17:56 | <Habbie> | twb, semi-ohhh |
| 17:56 | <Habbie> | webmind, another smoking gun |
| 17:56 | <Habbie> | webmind, also the kind of info that would be good to mention early on |
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| 17:56 | <Wulf> | is lineageos debian based, or why does it have apt? |
| 17:56 | <Habbie> | lineageos is an android build |
| 17:56 | <webmind> | right, I was focussing on how one application would and the other not resolve |
| 17:57 | <Habbie> | presumably this is a debian chroot inside it |
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| 17:57 | <Habbie> | which i've also done on various weird OSes |
| 17:57 | <webmind> | yes, debian chroot in lineageos/android |
| 17:57 | <twb> | It's 100% normal for ping to not work inside qemu --net user, for example |
| 17:57 | <webmind> | trying to turn a phone into a debian server |
| 17:57 | <twb> | webmind: how are you planning to avoid CGNAT |
| 17:57 | <webmind> | twb: yes, but not because of resolving right? |
| 17:57 | <Habbie> | webmind, depends on how ping fails |
| 17:58 | <twb> | webmind: no, because it requires CAP_NET_RAW |
| 17:58 | <webmind> | twb: haven't gotten there yet. |
| 17:58 | <Wulf> | webmind: show your /etc/nsswwitch.conf |
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| 17:59 | <webmind> | https://pastebin.com/dw2jjE5X |
| 17:59 | <twb> | relatedly, /me swears at acng 502'ing from inside a unshare(2) container |
| 17:59 | <webmind> | twb: I'm familiar with that, but not the other way around though. |
| 17:59 | <Wulf> | "files dns" looks good. |
| 17:59 | <Habbie> | webmind, can you show resolv.conf? |
| 18:00 | <webmind> | twb: re cgnat, with tunnels. |
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| 18:00 | <twb> | webmind: OK, fine :-) |
| 18:00 | <Wulf> | webmind: I'm lost. strace output? |
| 18:00 | <webmind> | Habbie: nameserver 8.8.8.8 |
| 18:00 | <webmind> | twb: and wifi |
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| 18:01 | <twb> | webmind: actually maybe acng will sidestep your problem |
| 18:01 | <twb> | webmind: so you have another Debian host on your net, which has 1GB of spare disk? |
| 18:01 | <webmind> | Wulf: it generates 7 files, you want all of them? |
| 18:01 | <twb> | webmind: if so, "apt install apt-cacher-ng" on that, and "apt install auto-apt-proxy" (or hard-code) in your lineage chroot |
| 18:02 | <Wulf> | webmind: yup |
| 18:02 | <Wulf> | webmind: or at least the biggest one |
| 18:02 | <webmind> | twb: yeah, but I'd like to have it working without |
| 18:04 | <webmind> | Wulf: https://upload.disroot.org/r/8naFsqss#PQjJu0Fubw0U2M7vQa7VMqJDK0RixSb5h7k8jGi0cSU= |
| 18:04 | <webmind> | biggest one |
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| 18:05 | <webmind> | https://upload.disroot.org/r/2EDaSBDm#j+F/heSw2j2Q6vtEHxliFELiZHDm2KPSXMUVvd1etrE= <-- tgz with all of them |
| 18:06 | <Wulf> | openat(AT_FDCWD, "//.dpkg.cfg", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 18:06 | <Wulf> | that looks suspicious |
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| 18:07 | <twb> | Wulf: that's just bceause $HOME is fucked |
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| 18:10 | <webmind> | I added deb.debian.org to my hosts file, now I get: |
| 18:10 | <webmind> | Err:3 http://deb.debian.org/debian bullseye Release |
| 18:10 | <webmind> | Could not create a socket for 199.232.170.132 (f=2 t=1 p=6) - socket (13: Permission denied) |
| 18:10 | <Habbie> | ah |
| 18:10 | <twb> | Your debian chroot is probably locked down |
| 18:10 | <twb> | I don't know enough about lineage to know WTF exctly is happening |
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| 18:11 | <webmind> | yeash, could be |
| 18:11 | <webmind> | tcpdump works interestingly enough |
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| 18:11 | <Wulf> | pid 5852 does some strange things with netlink messages |
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| 18:13 | <Wulf> | socket(AF_INET, SOCK_DGRAM|SOCK_CLOEXEC|SOCK_NONBLOCK, IPPROTO_IP) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) |
| 18:13 | <Wulf> | perhaps that means no ipv4 is available, only ipv6? |
| 18:13 | <twb> | or no UDP |
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| 18:13 | <twb> | Does netcat work inside the chroot? |
| 18:14 | <Habbie> | or curl? |
| 18:14 | <twb> | or gnutls-cli example.com <<<'GET /FUCKED' |
| 18:14 | <twb> | Habbie: you beat me to it |
| 18:14 | <Habbie> | :) |
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| 18:15 | <Wulf> | ping on my system has "/bin/ping cap_net_raw=ep". Perhaps the system is locked down, but ping is allowed because of that? |
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| 18:16 | <twb> | that doesn't really make sense but it's possible |
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| 18:17 | <twb> | I mean... I'm assuming a modern container |
| 18:17 | <twb> | If it's literally chroot(2) then yeah that sort of makes sense |
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| 18:18 | <webmind> | curl a a bit much deps to install, trying netcat |
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| 18:19 | <twb> | nc EXAMPLE.COM http <<< 'GET /FUCKED' |
| 18:20 | <Habbie> | don't uppercase dns names, unless you want to expose a few more bugs in stacks :) |
| 18:20 | <webmind> | twb: that worksd |
| 18:21 | <twb> | webmind: you get a 505? |
| 18:21 | <webmind> | yes |
| 18:21 | <twb> | apt update -o Acquire::EnableSrvRecords=0 |
| 18:21 | <twb> | apt update -o Acquire::EnableSrvRecords=0 -o Acquire::ForceIPv6=1 |
| 18:22 | <twb> | that's a wild-ass guess |
| 18:22 | <webmind> | same issue, 2nd one: I disabled ipv6 |
| 18:22 | <twb> | v4 then |
| 18:22 | <twb> | How did you disable v6? |
| 18:22 | <webmind> | sysctl |
| 18:23 | <twb> | so... host-wide, not just this chroot? |
| 18:23 | <webmind> | sysctl net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1 |
| 18:23 | <webmind> | yeah |
| 18:23 | <Habbie> | also information that would have been super helpful two hours ago |
| 18:23 | <webmind> | Habbie: it wasn't disabled then |
| 18:23 | <twb> | That might completely fuck the android layer |
| 18:23 | <webmind> | well, it gives the same either way |
| 18:24 | <twb> | does "busybox ping" work the same as "ping" ? |
| 18:24 | <twb> | You're running *all* these commands inside the Debian chroot, right? |
| 18:24 | <webmind> | yes, all in the chroot |
| 18:25 | <webmind> | twb: output is the same |
| 18:25 | <Habbie> | (please do not describe output - nothing beats a pastebin) |
| 18:25 | <twb> | OK I give up. Ask the lineage people why DNS is being weird. |
| 18:26 | <twb> | You might also try other distros |
| 18:26 | <Wulf> | problem is that socket call. apt on my laptop does the same call and it succeeds. |
| 18:26 | <webmind> | Habbie: correct and on a second view they are different |
| 18:27 | <twb> | Wulf: hrm |
| 18:27 | <webmind> | twb: like not debian? |
| 18:27 | <twb> | webmind: yes |
| 18:27 | <twb> | webmind: fault isolation |
| 18:27 | <Wulf> | webmind: put "options use-vc" into /etc/resolv.conf |
| 18:27 | <Habbie> | or like not lineageos, of course |
| 18:27 | <webmind> | Habbie: don't really have another option for that |
| 18:27 | <twb> | Wulf: it's not even doing an connect(address) yes, so WTF is it blocking that for |
| 18:28 | <twb> | webmind: how come? |
| 18:28 | <webmind> | twb: it's the only os that works on this phone and still has updates |
| 18:28 | <webmind> | Wulf: done, same effect |
| 18:28 | <Wulf> | :( |
| 18:29 | <webmind> | https://pastebin.com/5Ar9MJLy <-- ping differences |
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| 18:30 | <twb> | The fact busybox ping works eliminates setcap being the issue |
| 18:31 | <Wulf> | webmind: got another strace with that setting? |
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| 18:34 | <webmind> | Wulf: coming up |
| 18:36 | <webmind> | Wulf: https://upload.disroot.org/r/n2XJNJ8L#IKE/Nqub1/GvzRPxF2uO+3DXg9pa1EBIkPa+xD5JWBg= |
| 18:36 | <webmind> | disabling selinux doesn't help either |
| 18:37 | <twb> | Are you literally using chroot(8) to enter the debian environment? |
| 18:37 | <webmind> | twb: I'm running 'chroot ./ /bin/bash -l' |
| 18:37 | <webmind> | chroot comes from toybox |
| 18:37 | <twb> | OK so probably not seccomp-bpf |
| 18:38 | <Wulf> | socket(AF_INET, SOCK_STREAM|SOCK_CLOEXEC, IPPROTO_IP) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) |
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| 18:38 | <twb> | SOCK_STREAM = tcp, where previous failure was udp. Both failing, though |
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| 18:40 | <webmind> | trying a chroot from a different busybox, same results |
| 18:40 | <Wulf> | webmind: apparmor running? |
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| 18:41 | <twb> | "busybox chroot" just calls chroot(2) |
| 18:41 | <twb> | look at dmesg and/or syslog in lineag |
| 18:42 | <webmind> | Wulf: in the chroot apparmor_status gives "apparmor not present." don't have apparmor_status outside the chroot |
| 18:42 | <twb> | you'll see audit() in dmesg |
| 18:42 | <twb> | if it's apparmor |
| 18:43 | <twb> | This shell where you run "chroot . bash"... is it "adb shell", or what |
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| 18:43 | <Wulf> | My kernel was built with CONFIG_ANDROID_PARANOID_NETWORK, which disables socket() creation for processes which aren't in certain groups." |
| 18:43 | <Wulf> | https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-wpe/2018-December/000065.html |
| 18:43 | <twb> | Wulf: nice catch |
| 18:43 | <twb> | Wulf: so the problem is because apt is dropping privs and ping isn't |
| 18:44 | <webmind> | twb: yes, adb shell as root |
| 18:44 | <webmind> | twb: dmesg gives audit, but nothing new after running apt update |
| 18:44 | <twb> | apt update -o APT::Sandbox::User=root |
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| 18:45 | <webmind> | twb: Wulf \o/ |
| 18:45 | <webmind> | that works |
| 18:45 | <twb> | I should have been more explicit about _apt privdrop earlier |
| 18:46 | <webmind> | Thanks everyone for this! |
| 18:46 | <webmind> | Any ideas on disabling it? |
| 18:46 | <Wulf> | apt does some setgroups calls: setgroups(13, [1004, 1007, 1011, 1015, 1028, 1078, 1079, 3001, 3002, 3003, 3006, 3009, 3011]) = 0 |
| 18:46 | <Wulf> | is the "inet" group among those? |
| 18:46 | <twb> | You can drop that into /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 18:46 | <webmind> | (veyond rebuilding the kernel) |
| 18:47 | <twb> | If you care eonugh you can work out how to make android trust _apt to make socket() calls |
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| 18:47 | <Wulf> | perhaps it's sufficient to add a supplementary group |
| 18:47 | <twb> | whatever |
| 18:47 | <twb> | I don't care anymore |
| 18:48 | <webmind> | twb: if I do that, apt complains about extra junk at endof file |
| 18:48 | <webmind> | Wulf: where do I check that? |
| 18:49 | <Wulf> | webmind: getent passwd 100; getent group inet |
| 18:49 | <twb> | webmind: the syntax is different |
| 18:49 | <webmind> | twb: ok, I'll look it up |
| 18:49 | <twb> | apt.conf is a C++ file |
| 18:49 | <twb> | man 5 apt.conf |
| 18:50 | <webmind> | Wulf: _apt:x:100:65534::/nonexistent:/usr/sbin/nologin |
| 18:50 | <MacGuges> | Hello, I'm working on mounting a Windows share from my HyperV host onto a Debian VM. I don't know whether I'm using the correct username and password, but the last errors I received were "mount error(128): Key has been revoked" and "CIFS: Status code returned 0xc0000072 STATUS_ACCOUNT_DISABLED". https://paste.debian.net/1225089/ |
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| 18:51 | <Wulf> | webmind: and is there an inet group? which gid? |
| 18:51 | <webmind> | Wulf: nope, none |
| 18:51 | <MacGuges> | Should I be using DefaultAccount here? I'm not sure if I could be using this account or my AzureAD login. I'm not sure which password I'd use for that, since I login with a windows "pin" |
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| 18:52 | <RoyK> | twb: erm - no - apt.conf is not a c++ file |
| 18:53 | <Wulf> | webmind: perhaps outside of chroot? |
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| 18:54 | <webmind> | Wulf: /etc/group is empty and no getent |
| 18:54 | <MacGuges> | I selected DefaultAccount from the Computer Management applet in Windows 10. I confirmed I receive a different error for entering an invalid password for this local user. |
| 18:56 | <Wulf> | webmind: add "inet:x:3003:_apt" to /etc/group |
| 18:56 | <twb> | MacGuges: are you trying to do unencrypted SMB3 over the public internet? |
| 18:57 | <twb> | MacGuges: see if smbclient gives clearer error message |
| 18:58 | <twb> | MacGuges: the errors in dmesg look like "wrong password" and/or "account locked" |
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| 18:58 | <MacGuges> | I tried installing smbclient, but the samba package didn't provide it. |
| 18:59 | <twb> | MacGuges: last time I fought this, it was more like '-ousername=EXAMPLE.COM\Alice Mukerjee' IIRC |
| 18:59 | <MacGuges> | I had deliberately tried a wrong password after receiving the "account locked" response. |
| 18:59 | <Wulf> | webmind: or set _apt's group to 3003 |
| 19:00 | <Wulf> | doesn't look like the process is reading from /etc/group at all |
| 19:00 | <twb> | But I think now that "the cloud" exists, they want you to log in with "the" global AD domain, which I guess is somtehing like HOTMAIL.COM\alice.mukherjee@gmail.com >_ |
| 19:00 | <MacGuges> | I'm mounting this share from same machine hosting the debian VM. The SMB3 connection is over this private virtual switch. |
| 19:00 | <twb> | MacGuges: the share is provided by the Windows personality? |
| 19:01 | <webmind> | Wulf: yeah, doesn't solve it |
| 19:01 | <MacGuges> | yeah, I can see it from its Computer Management applet. |
| 19:02 | <webmind> | Wulf: setting apt's group to 3003 helps |
| 19:02 | <MacGuges> | My goal is to allow me to read a password store from the host. |
| 19:02 | <Wulf> | yay :) |
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| 19:03 | <MacGuges> | twb: so you think I should login with the AzureAD\BenTaylor credentials instead? |
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| 19:04 | <twb> | MacGuges: I'm not sure |
| 19:04 | <twb> | MacGuges: since passwords are INHERENTLY wrong, I would either go all-in and kinit, or all-out and allow anonymous access on the windows sie |
| 19:04 | <twb> | *side |
| 19:05 | <twb> | Most of my SMB fighting recently has been all-out |
| 19:05 | <twb> | Oh and smbclient is "apt install smbclient" in Debian |
| 19:09 | <MacGuges> | Thank you for the recommendation. |
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| 20:32 | <twb> | OK, so I have thunar accessing sftp://p123@inmates/p123/Documents (using gvfs-backends) |
| 20:33 | <twb> | That works fine, but when I try to double-click on test1.xlsx, libreoffice's splash appears, but libreoffice doesn't actually start. |
| 20:33 | <twb> | As at Debian 9, libreoffice needs gvfs-fuse to actually "see" sftp:// content. |
| 20:34 | <twb> | But there's nothing relevant-looking in the user journal, nor in .xsession-errors. |
| 20:34 | <twb> | If in thunar I just copy-paste test1.xlsx from sftp:// to the local user's ~/Documents, libreoffice can open it just fine |
| 20:35 | <twb> | "mount | grep fuse" shows that /run/user/10243/gvfs is mounted. So fuse is doing its job. |
| 20:37 | <twb> | From xfce4-terminal, I can run: localc /run/user/10243/gvfs/sftp\:host\=inmates\,user\=p123/p123/Documents\Untitled\ 1.xlsx |
| 20:37 | <twb> | ...and that works. |
| 20:37 | <twb> | (Sorry, in all cases it's "Untitled 1.xlsx", not "test1.xlsx") |
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| 20:40 | <twb> | From within libreoffice, Ctrl+O shows a GTK3 open dialog. It can't look at the p123 share itself (because it's locked -- expected) but I can Ctrl+L sftp://p123@inmates/p123/Doc<tab tab tab> and it can enumerate both directories and files. BUT when I select Untitled 1.xlsx there, it silently fails again. |
| 20:42 | <twb> | Hrm, trying to save into that folder, "Error saving the document Untitled 1: Non-existed object. Path to the file does not exist." |
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| 21:34 | <twb> | OK, useful fault isolation: double-clicking on rose.png and choosing chromium, chromium opens the image just fine. chromium address bar shows /run/user/10243/gvfs/... |
| 21:35 | <twb> | This means the problem is somehow libreoffice |
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| 23:02 | <donfede> | somiaj: ty for feedback; yes i'm on stable, and am trying to hold off the recent point release update (for a week or so), thus seeking a way to apply only critical/security updates |
| 23:03 | * | donfede seems like a shortcoming/feature-request of apt-get |
| 23:04 | <freq> | apo: |
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| 23:35 | <twb> | donfede: RHEL has "yum update --cve=CVE-2021-12345" to only patch a *specific* vulnerability even |
| 23:35 | <twb> | donfede: "unattended-upgrades" is able to select only updates from the security repo, but this is not really a reliable metric |
| 23:36 | <twb> | I'm not sure if you can easily do a pin for a single apt command |
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| 23:36 | <twb> | You basically want to pin the same things as Unattended-Upgrade::Origins-Pattern |
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| 23:38 | <jmcnaught> | donfede: "apt install ~U~Astable-security" might do what you want |
| 23:38 | <twb> | donfede: maybe something like this? apt -s upgrade '?installed?archive(security)' |
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| 23:39 | <twb> | That won't actually install the security version, though |
| 23:39 | <twb> | it'll istall the latest of those selected packages |
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| 23:43 | <Sqrt{Not}> | aptitude in interactive mode can show you the proposed updates, and let you choose which you want |
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| 23:49 | <twb> | I do this, it helps: |
| 23:49 | <twb> | aptitude -oaptitude::UI::Package-Display-Format="%c%a%M%S %p %Z %t %v %V" |
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