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02:18<alexrelis>Does anyone know of an affordable, low-latency capture card that works with Debian?
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02:51<pavlushka>I am having x login issue, can anyone help? https://chatterbox.com.bd/files/3q3dibs1dpds7jjnwggrxfgb4r/public?h=qe6PIMNSYtShvyE_4b2ezNxEGWF8FXG1gJ7g4GpCoFg
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02:58<somiaj>pavlushka: do you have xorg set up to run as soon as you login, I don't see where you ran startx
02:58<somiaj>also it appears you don't have $HOME/.xinitrc setup either, causing other problems.
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02:58<somiaj>I mean sorry, y ou have $HOME/.xinitrc but it is trying to run openbox which is not found
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03:01<tyzef>hi guys, i try "chown" for a user that is not on the computer, so I get from "chown : wrong user"...
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03:02<somiaj>tyzef: You need a user on the system so it can be changed into a userid to write to the filesystem.
03:02<tyzef>i see
03:03<somiaj>You can chown a userid for a user not on the system, but this won't be useful unless maybe you are transfering this to another system that has that userid defined
03:03<somiaj>but on my backup system I have lots of files owned by users like 1234:5678 since that user isn't on that system, but the file system can still have the id number saved.
03:04<tyzef>so only root will be the one then... it's for rsync as folder transfer on a local ssh
03:04<pavlushka>somiaj: i installed that now and that's not the issue as the problem still exits and I'm trying to launch my desktop with only window manager and I have that in my .bash_profile as if [[ ! $DISPLAY && $XDG_VTNR -eq 1 ]]; then
03:04<pavlushka> exec startx
03:04<pavlushka>fi
03:05<somiaj>pavlushka: personaly I would just run 'startx' manually vs automatically, but that is just me
03:05<tyzef>me too
03:05<pavlushka>and in .xserverrc as "exec /usr/bin/Xorg -nolisten tcp "$@" vt$XDG_VTNR"
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03:05<somiaj>pavlushka: The problem should be different, but if you can share your ~/.xinitrc (note debian prefers ~/.xsession but this is beside the point), that could help
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03:06<pavlushka>somiaj: I am configuring it for my student with some little convenience, so that's why
03:06<tyzef>thank you somiaj
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03:10<SonicR>I have installed a fresh debian 11 on a core2uo laptop, and it feels slower then my previous debian 10, which was a 4 yrs old install... any clue ?
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03:16<alexrelis>SonicR: What desktop environment?
03:17<SonicR>lxde
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03:23<pavlushka>somiaj: https://dpaste.com/EX7SCCLE9 .xinitrc file
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03:23<SonicR>alexrelis: lxde is the DE, but i see its the browser that loads pages very slow. last night i was able to connect to wifi but no internet. so i made some adjustments setting up some ip's . now the internet works but is slow
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03:27<alexrelis>SonicR: You might want to disable Webrender in Firefox. They made it default for compositing in the latest Firefox ESR and on older machines, it might've switched to software rendering which could result in poor performance. To disable, in the url bar, go to `about:config` and set `gfx.webrender.force-disabled` to true, restart the browser, and see if that helps.
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03:33<SonicR>alexrelis: still slow. i check the cpu usage and it seems that cpu is used alot. maybe debian 11 uses more resources then previous version ?
03:34<alexrelis>SonicR: Maybe set `layers.acceleration.force-enabled` to true?
03:36<pavlushka>somiaj: openbox is installed but still it is saying https://chatterbox.com.bd/files/84c18srt6fytun17y5zbjyw1qy/public?h=MA1Foyj8hXPm1mh7KQToXeaFyx3aajIonD2rPOGpDK8
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03:40<SonicR>alexrelis: gfx.webrender.force-disabled is already true
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03:42<alexrelis>SonicR: I'm talking about a different setting. `layers.acceleration.force-enabled` not `gfx.webrender.force-disabled`.
03:43<pavlushka>somiaj: it gives me access after 3/4 times try, some service is starting up late?
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03:44<SonicR>alexrelis: done i think firefox is faster now. any clue how t do the same for chrme ?
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03:44<alexrelis>SonicR: I don't use Chromium.
03:44<alexrelis>So not sure.
03:46<alexrelis>You might want to consider using a window manager instead of LXDE to push as much performance as possible on your machine. I like Openbox and Tint2 but a lot of people are using tiling window managers like i3 or Awesome nowadays.
03:46<SonicR>ok
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03:54<pavlushka>somiaj: removed .xinitrc and created .xsessionrc with this settings https://dpaste.com/CXHTPJD7W
03:55<pavlushka>somiaj: so how can I set openbox into this settings to act as the window manager other than putting "openbox-session"
03:55<pavlushka>?
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04:04<rander3>hello
04:04<JPT>I've got one of this weird "chasing ghosts" moments. df -h says, my /var is almost full. However, going into /var and asking du -sh * does not even yield more than 1.5G of data. What am I missing?
04:04<rander3>I installed deb11 , but /etc/fstab don't add swap partition
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04:05<azeem>JPT: maybe a process holding on to a deleted file?
04:05<rander3>must I edit /etc/fstab and modify at hand ?
04:05<JPT>azeem: Good point. I'll check that.
04:05<rander3>or exist same command to automate
04:06<JPT>Yup, that was it. Thanks :)
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04:10<rander3>UUID=7dhdsmjs... swap swap defaults 0 0
04:10<rander3>is it correct ?
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04:19<rander3>nobody here ?
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04:22<azeem>rander3: I think the installer asks whether one wants to add swap and/or one can do it in the explicit partitioning
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04:23<azeem>rander3: well it looks correct, obviously we can't verify the UUID for you. Did you try it?
04:23<rander3>yes, I add it with swapon manually, but but default fstab was empty
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04:24<rander3>now I try to
04:26<rander3>I have some errors in dmesg , the boot is slow. http://paste.debian.net/1225221/
04:27<rander3>ACPI and video card, but this video card is old, it is a nvidia gt610
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04:52<bc>hello just install debian bullseye
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04:53<Guest9604>can some one tell me how i can get the menu from left to the midden under?
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04:56<azeem>Guest9604: which desktop environment?
04:56<josh>wheres the room that i can just chat in
04:56<josh>just wondering
04:56<Guest9604>gnome
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05:01<Guest9604>sorry Cinnamon
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05:32<pavlushka>So how do I put openbox with cinnamon-session in .xsessionrc?
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05:34<rander3>my system is fast, but the boot is so slow, I dont understand
05:35<riccardom_>hello, i'm trying a very old aiptek usb tablet on 5.15.0-2-amd64, the aiptek module loads but then i get bpf / btf errors http://paste.debian.net/1225231/ ; afaict no input device gets added, does anyone know how to debug?
05:35<rander3>https://paste.debian.net/1225234/
05:37<rander3>https://termbin.com/0ief
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05:48<rander3>hello
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05:54<petn-randall>rander3: `systemd-analyze critical-chain` has more meaningful output about boot times.
05:54<petn-randall>!nouveau
05:54<dpkg>The nouveau open source <DRM> drivers for Nvidia GPUs (Riva, TNT, GeForce, Quadro) are part of the Linux kernel and the display driver is packaged as xserver-xorg-video-nouveau (read its README.Debian file for important notes). Install the libgl1-mesa-dri package for 3D acceleration. Firmware from userspace may be required, ask me about <nouveau firmware>. http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/
05:54<petn-randall>!nouveau firmware
05:54<dpkg>Binary-only firmware for the nouveau <DRM> driver is packaged for Debian as firmware-misc-nonfree. Without this package installed, poor 2D/3D performance and/or missing video features in the <nouveau> xorg driver is commonly experienced. To install, ask me about <non-free sources>.
05:54<petn-randall>rander3: You likely also want to install this. ^^^
05:55<rander3>petn-randall, it is installed
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05:57<rander3>petn-randall, lsmod | grep nouveau | nc termbin.com 9999 ; https://termbin.com/hqa1
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06:00<rander3>petn-randall, video card is old , sure it's supported by nouveau
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06:02<rander3>https://termbin.com/0z6j
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06:08<petn-randall>rander3: You're not reading the factoid. It's about firmware.
06:09<rander3>petn-randall, in deb9 and 10 it gone , it's strange
06:09<petn-randall>rander3: 10 seconds to desktop is not slow IMHO for an old desktop.
06:09<rander3>petn-randall, ?!? this is a I5
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06:10<rander3>not a pentium I lol
06:10<petn-randall>,v firmware-misc-nonfree
06:10<judd>Package: firmware-misc-nonfree on amd64 -- stretch/non-free: 20161130-5; stretch-backports/non-free: 20190114-2~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 20190114-2; buster-backports/non-free: 20210315-3~bpo10+1; bullseye/non-free: 20210315-3; bookworm/non-free: 20210818-1; sid/non-free: 20210818-1
06:10<rander3>ubuntu start in 9 seconds
06:10<petn-randall>rander3: It *is* in deb9 and 10. ^^^
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06:12<rander3>https://termbin.com/ofh8
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06:14<petn-randall>rander3: What are your contents of /etc/network/interfaces?
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06:17<rander3>https://termbin.com/1q6b
06:18<rander3>cat /etc/network/interfaces ---> source-directory /etc/network/interfaces.d
06:20<rander3>petn-randall, cat /etc/network/interfaces.d/setup | nc termbin.com 9999
06:20<rander3>https://termbin.com/aax6
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06:33<petn-randall>rander3: Is this a laptop?
06:34<rander3>desktop
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06:39<rander3>petn-randall, bios is legancy mode , not efi
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06:57<petn-randall>rander3: Then I'd comment out /etc/network/interfaces.d/setup and let network-manager do it's job.
06:58<rander3>petn-randall, the problem is not about netwoek card
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07:10<rander3>petn-randall, uncomment all /etc/network/interfaces.d ?
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07:15<petn-randall>rander3: Well, that's what's causing 5 out of 10 seconds of boot time. Yes, comment it out, so you can put it back in when something doesn't work.
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07:22<rander3>ok, the problem in auto detecting network i solved, but remain the slow start up. nouveanu dont give me error more, but time remain 30 sec. https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/VideoAcceleration.html
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07:23<rander3>https://termbin.com/k91w
07:24<rander3>basically boot is over in 9 secs, but wait at 24.356752] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware nouveau/nvd9_fuc084
07:24<Wulf>Hello. I've got debian 11 installed on my raspberry pi 4. Now trying to login through serial. On my other computer I configures the serial port to 115200 and it all looks good during bootup. But at the end of the boot I only get garbage. I already tried to force agetty to use 115200 speed, but won't help. Any ideas?
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07:27<rander3>problem was about video decoding in the driver, nouveanu have a decoder for new video card that is incompatible with old carda
07:27<petn-randall>rander3: What does `systemd-analyze critical-chain` give you?
07:27<rander3>yes, I paste here before, I re-paste again
07:28<rander3>https://termbin.com/nm50
07:30<rander3>https://termbin.com/x7o1
07:30<petn-randall>rander3: This one is from after the change, that's why I'm asking.
07:30<rander3>problem is before start X server
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07:30<petn-randall>rander3: This looks like normal startup time for me.
07:31<rander3>petn-randall, maybe at the boot try to load the old driver, and after load the old correct driver
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07:31<rander3>petn-randall, no, the startup time is 30 secs, not 7.8
07:31<petn-randall>rander3: How many seconds does the boot take after grub loads the kernel?
07:32<rander3>[ 24.356752] nouveau 0000:01:00.0: firmware: direct-loading firmware nouveau/nvd9_fuc084
07:32<petn-randall>rander3: That's a kernel message, how is that relevant to your problem?
07:32<rander3>line before is a 9,14 secs
07:32<petn-randall>rander3: So?
07:33<petn-randall>rander3: How many seconds does the boot take after grub loads the kernel?
07:33<rander3>bullseye debian 11 amd64
07:34<rander3>petn-randall, 5 secs, but I press enter
07:34<petn-randall>Ok, so how is a 5s boot time a problem?
07:34<Blendie>is bookworm generally safe to use at this point?
07:34<Blendie>also i found an ugly bug in it
07:35<rander3>petn-randall, no, brub wait 5 secs before start to load a kernel, but the boot is slow
07:35<rander3>grub
07:35<petn-randall>Blendie: Running bookworm is for beta-testing the next release, not necessarily your daily driver.
07:35<Blendie>i had no much of a choice
07:35<petn-randall>rander3: Ok, for the third time now: How many seconds does the boot take after grub loads the kernel?
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07:35<petn-randall>Blendie: How so?
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07:36<rander3>30secs
07:36<bremner>Blendie: see #debian-next for testing support
07:36<petn-randall>rander3: With boot I mean how long it take for you to get a desktop.
07:36<Blendie>well i pinned sid to stable and installed few nasty packages
07:36<koollman>I can't wait for the first bug on hardware with 'book' in the name. the puns will be terrible
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07:36<Blendie>upgrading to bookworm fixed the issue
07:36<rander3>about 30secs xfce , it's more fast in a oldest netbook with N2600 atom cpu
07:37<rander3>this is 15 times more fast with SSD
07:37<Blendie>but can i get dependency issues on bookworm?
07:37<rander3>it's not possible sorry
07:37<petn-randall>rander3: Ok, what login manager are you using?
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07:37<petn-randall>Blendie: You pinned what to what?
07:38<rander3>manager by default
07:38<Blendie>sid to bullseye
07:38<petn-randall>rander3: login manager like sddm, gdm, kdm ...
07:38<Blendie>at 99 priority
07:38<petn-randall>Blendie: Ah, you pinned sid to a lower priority, not to stable.
07:38<petn-randall>Blendie: So you made your own Frankendebian?
07:38<petn-randall>!frankendebian
07:38<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian and <reinstall>
07:38<rander3> ├─lightdm─┬─Xorg───5*[{Xorg}]
07:39<Blendie>yes but upgrading to testing made it pure
07:39<sussudio>...
07:39<Blendie>it's pure bookworm now
07:39<petn-randall>Blendie: Thanks for beta-testing bookworm!
07:39<Blendie>np m8!
07:39<petn-randall>Blendie: Be sure to file bugs when you find them, and when things break, you get to keep both pieces.
07:39<Blendie>i also found a nasty bug
07:40<petn-randall>rander3: Ah, so lightdm. What output does `journalctl -u lightdm` give you?
07:40<petn-randall>Blendie: Any specific reason you picked bookworm?
07:40<Blendie>the luks plymouth login screen does not fit on the screens
07:41<Blendie>petn-randall: i hoped it will fix my frankendebian and it did
07:41<Blendie>now it's 100% bookworm
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07:41<rander3>https://paste.debian.net/1225245/
07:42<rander3>I download the xfce image for deb11 , the system is default
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07:44<rander3>and one of 4 core is ever at 100% , I dont know
07:44<Blendie>so wwhat's the estimated bookworm release date?
07:44<Blendie>besids "wehn it's ready
07:45<Blendie>*gasp*
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07:46<petn-randall>!wwbr
07:46<dpkg>Debian "Bookworm" is the current testing branch as of 2021-08-14 and it will be released "when it's ready".
07:46<petn-randall>:)
07:47<Blendie>kek
07:47<Blendie>probably to more years
07:47<Blendie>two*
07:47<petn-randall>rander3: It looks like accountservice is missing, can you even login?
07:48<petn-randall>rander3: I'd install "accountservice" and try again.
07:48<rander3>it's strange however, this is a desktop without sensors or strange hardware, and give me so many problems with default installation using xfce4
07:48<rander3>I login in xfce normally
07:48<petn-randall>rander3: How exactly?
07:48<petn-randall>Oh, nvm
07:49<petn-randall>misread what you wrote.
07:49<rander3>and one core is ever at 100%
07:50<Unit193>Random, but what GTK theme do you use? If you switch to greybird, does it help?
07:50<rander3>usually debian run fine on standard hardware
07:52<Blendie>petn-randall: is there a place on oftc to share bugs?
07:53<rander3>petn-randall, slow boot , and one cpu is ever at 100%
07:54<Unit193>I ask because some themes that support GTK3 poorly make Xfce panel applets use tons of CPU.
07:54<Blendie>nvm found it
07:54<Unit193>#811098
07:54<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/811098 in xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin (open): «xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin: hogs some CPU if certain xfce4 styles are used»; severity: normal; opened: 2016-01-15; last modified: 2016-07-23.
07:55<rander3>ok rebbot
07:55<rander3>reboot
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07:56<sussudio>trobeo
07:58<petn-randall>!bts
07:58<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS
07:58<petn-randall>Blendie: ^
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07:59<Blendie>thanks, bookmarked
07:59<rander3>the same
08:01<rander3>dmesg | grep nouveau | nc termbin.com 9999
08:01<rander3>https://termbin.com/u9xu
08:02<petn-randall>rander3: Did you install accountservice?
08:02<rander3>yes, it's the same as before
08:03<petn-randall>rander3: What is the output of `journalctl -u lightdm`?
08:05<rander3>https://paste.debian.net/1225247/
08:07<rander3>nvidia-detect | nc termbin.com 9999
08:07<rander3>https://termbin.com/zsg1 ### maybe is a video card problem ?
08:09<petn-randall>rander3: You can try the non-free drivers, but from what are you drawing the conclusion that it's a GPU problem?
08:10<TobiX>Well, that card is almost 10 years old, so it's probably not supported by any modern non-free NVIDIA driver
08:12<rander3>petn-randall, because I applied this solution : https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/VideoAcceleration.html , and dmesg dont me more error in video card, maybe try to load the incorrect module by default, and after load the old module that I installed
08:14<rander3>root 218 73.7 0.0 0 0 ? R 13:56 13:06 [kworker/3:3+events] ### and I have this process that consume a lot of cpu
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08:15<colo>anyone using rootless podman to run containers on Debian 11? I was wondering - am I supposed to just create a user account, assign it a number of subuids, and then use `podman` as that user? or am I missing something?
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08:19<TobiX>colo: Worked for me :D
08:20<colo>TobiX, may I ask which container images from which sources/registries you run that way? or, asked another way: did you encounter anything that did NOT work the way you expected it?
08:20<TobiX>podman was always very loud if something went wrong :D
08:22<TobiX>colo: Running docker.io/vaultwarden/server:latest as a systemd user service
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08:22<colo>TobiX, cool, thanks for the info. have you considered using systemd-nspawn for the purpose, too?
08:22<TobiX>colo: Basically this setup: https://github.com/dani-garcia/vaultwarden/wiki/Using-Podman#new-container-every-restart
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08:29<rander3>ok, solved. It was the video driver, particular the video decompressing driver
08:29<rander3>boot in 6,5 secs
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08:29<rander3>good
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08:33<rander3>Debian number one
08:33<rander3>:)
08:37<petn-randall>rander3: What is the "video decompressing driver"?
08:39<rander3>i read an article about it, I told about it before.
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08:40<lakebr>Brother printer and scaner, scanimage -L doesnt see it
08:41<lakebr>sane-find-scaners sees it. what should be installed to make it work on deb?
08:42<colo>TobiX, `podman info` tells me that 'WARN[0000] The cgroupv2 manager is set to systemd but there is no systemd user session available' - but I do have a systemd user.slice active when I log in with my podman user. any idea if that warning is normal/expected?
08:42<rander3>I loose the link, but the new nvidia driver nouveanu in repository have the video compress/ecompress code that dont go with old nvida card. The solution was https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/VideoAcceleration.html , but having been made by hand was imperfect.
08:42<rander3>at boot it tried to load the newest decoder and wasted time
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08:43<rander3>and keep a process ever at 25% (one cpu at 100%)
08:44<rander3>I'm using a old Nvidia GT610
08:45<rander3>it's old, but it's faster than I5 integrated card
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08:47<sussudio>and most likely has a better DAC.
08:48<rander3>yes, the signal is better
08:48<sussudio>still won't be as good as my old matrox pci video card, though. that thing was golden.
08:49<rander3>I have another video card modern, but it's too much big
08:50<rander3>ati7900 but is too much big
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08:52<lakebr>how to config local printers?
08:52<rander3>cups ?
08:53<sussudio>!cups
08:53<dpkg>CUPS (formerly Common Unix Printing System) provides a portable printing layer for Unix-based operating systems and supports the Internet Printing Protocol. To install, ask me about <cups setup>. See also <debug cups>. http://cups.org/faq.php http://www.cups.org/
08:55<lakebr>!cups setup
08:55<dpkg>i heard cups setup is "aptitude install cups cups-bsd foomatic-db". Hit http://localhost:631/ and add a new printer. Enjoy! Optionally install the printconf package to automatically install attached printers. To troubleshoot printing problems, ask me about <debug cups>.
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09:28<chenningning>hi
09:28*mrwick did an apt show printconf but the package was not found
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09:30<chenningning>What do you want me to do for you?
09:32<lakebr>how to install 32bit driver .deb in 64bit?
09:32<chenningning>you can install printconf
09:33<chenningning>It depends on what configuration your host is?
09:34<chenningning>Do you have any questions?
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09:49<rander3>cat etc/fstab --> tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults,noatime,mode=1777 0 0 # this in place of swap partition ?
09:50<bremner>no
09:50<rander3>is it a ram disk to increase the performance ?
09:50<bremner>pretty much
09:51<rander3>ok
09:51<rander3>use the ram disk instead swap pertition
09:51<raven523>I think tmpfs can use swap
09:51<bremner>it's not related to swap partitions
09:52<rander3>it's a ram disk
09:52<rander3>maybe use swap when finish ram
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10:01<bremner>sure, it uses virtual memory, which can use swap.
10:02<bremner>https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/filesystems/tmpfs.html
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10:04<bremner>note the comparison to "ramfs", which uses physical ram
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10:12<rander3>deb11 have sudo as ubuntu, but $PATH haven't root $PATH , so need to change the path
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10:12<rander3>sudo is like ubuntu style
10:12<gribouille>hi
10:12<gribouille>I've just installed bullseye, and there is no file /etc/adjtime ; what does it mean?
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10:16<rander3>maybe the demon is miss
10:16<rander3>missing service I dont know
10:17<bremner>rander3: I can't understand a question in your chat
10:17<bremner>!ask
10:17<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>.
10:18<rander3>i said about /etc/adjtime
10:19<gribouille>but how is the file created during installation?
10:19<bremner>oh, ok. Well, in general if you don't know, it's not required to say so
10:19<rander3>I believe that file is linked to the time service online, but now don't remenber
10:19<rander3>so maybe demon is missing
10:19<rander3>ok, thx
10:20<petn-randall>gribouille: It's not necessary for whatever your real question is.
10:21<gribouille>petn-randall, so, how can I know if my system is in UTC or not?
10:22<petn-randall>gribouille: The time is saved as UTC in the hwclock, and translated to local time whenever you need it.
10:22<petn-randall>gribouille: If you installed Debian standalone the hwclock will be UTC, if you installed it parallel to Windows it will be local time.
10:23<gribouille>petn-randall, isn't the file /etc/adjtime used any more?
10:23<petn-randall>gribouille: Mine was updated last 2019, so I'm going with "no".
10:23<tohoyn>I don't have /etc/adjtime either (Ubuntu 21.10)
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10:24<gribouille>so why does the hwclock manual page mention it then?
10:25<petn-randall>gribouille: `man hwclock` does mention /etc/adjtime. It's just that hwclock isn't used anymore.
10:25<gribouille>petn-randall, so, what is used instead?
10:25<petn-randall>gribouille: What's your overall goal here? I think we're getting to far into technical details.
10:26<petn-randall>*too
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10:26<petn-randall>gribouille: Is your goal to keep your clock in sync?
10:26<gribouille>petn-randall, just underdstand how the system works and how to configure it
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10:27<gribouille>and why it changed
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10:27<petn-randall>What is "it"?
10:28<gribouille>why hwclock isn't used any more
10:28<petn-randall>I'm guessing because a working internet connection is ubiquitous and time daemons are far more accurate.
10:30<gribouille>do I have to use NTP or are the date and time set automatically?
10:30<petn-randall>Oof, https://wiki.debian.org/DateTime is ancient! XD
10:30<petn-randall>gribouille: You likely have systemd-timesyncd running, which will do that for you.
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10:31<petn-randall>Even if you only sporadically have an internet connection, it will keep the time accurate to ~ms.
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10:31<gribouille>petn-randall, so, I don't have to configure the date and time at all?
10:33<petn-randall>gribouille: If by date and time you mean timezone, you still have to set that. But if you mean accurate timekeeping, that's covered by default.
10:34<petn-randall>gribouille: For the former, you can run `dpkg-reconfigure -plow tzdata` to set a timezone.
10:36<gribouille>ok, thanks
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10:43<TobiX>colo: How do you switch to the user? Normal login or sudo - sudo doen't create a "complete" session, so you get that error from podman - You need at least libpam-systemd and then use "machinectl shell --uid=otheruser .host /bin/zsh" instead of sudo :/ (Haven't found anything more convinient yet)
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10:48<petn-randall>TobiX: `sudo -i` should give you a login shell.
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10:52<cyberai>hi
10:53<TobiX>petn-randall: That's unfortunatly still not enough to register a "session" with systemd-logind (which podman needs to use systemd as cgroup manager)
10:54<TobiX>I still don't understand all that magic :/
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11:46<Sqrt{Not}>lakebr, in general you probably do not need to install any drivers from the Brother website. The CUPS environment, and especially "driverless" printing and scanning, should find and configure your printer without vendor "drivers"
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11:52<elperson>Hello, I have a problem my screen is stuck at 1024x768 and I can't change it
11:53<elperson>its the only available resolution in KDE
11:53<elperson>the issue went away yesterday after installing the radeon drivers (proprietary too)
11:53<elperson>actually Ill try to restart brb
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11:58<elperson>alright im back
11:58<elperson>and restarting doesn't fix it
11:59<somiaj>what do you mean by installing proprietary radeon drivers? This is not something debian suggests or makes easy to do
12:00<elperson>there is literally a guide on how to install the amdgpu package
12:00<elperson>I just had to enable to non-free repo in sourcelist
12:00<somiaj>what do you mean? amdgpu is the open driver, you don't need to install it, it comes with the kernel
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12:00<somiaj>So you just installed firmware-amd-graphics? -- alrighty, that is different than the 'proprietary driver' which is amdgpupro
12:01<elperson>yeah
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12:01<elperson>And yesterday after restarting I got my beloved 1920x1080 but now its gone again
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12:01<somiaj>can you share the output of 'xrandr -q' and your xlorg log file, /var/log/Xorg.0.log (or $HOME/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log)
12:02<elperson>xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
12:02<elperson>Screen 0: minimum 1024 x 768, current 1024 x 768, maximum 1024 x 768
12:02<elperson>default connected primary 1024x768+0+0 0mm x 0mm
12:02<elperson>   1024x768      76.00*
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12:04<elperson>oop I got kicked
12:04<elperson>I think
12:04<somiaj>!paste
12:04<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>.
12:05<elperson>https://paste.debian.net/1225269/
12:06<somiaj>Okay, something is happening at the kernel level, what is the output of 'dmesg | grep -i firmware'
12:06<somiaj>again use a pastebin
12:08<elperson>https://paste.debian.net/1225270/
12:08<somiaj>BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-5.10.0-10-amd64 root=UUID=df1711ed-63bd-49f8-b972-392010ff1b42 ro nomodeset -- there it is, why are you booting with nomodeset?
12:09<elperson>because with quiet I get a black screen
12:09<somiaj>you have had to make some change to add that nomodeset parameter to your boot parameters.
12:09<elperson>yes I did that in  the grub menu
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12:09<mish>hey everyone
12:09<somiaj>well that is your problem, go remove that option
12:10<mish>anyone running debian 12 on a pi400?
12:10<elperson>then im  gonna  boot with a black screen
12:10<somiaj>mish: no one is runing debian 12
12:10<mish>fuck i meant debian 11
12:10<mish>sorry
12:10<mish>i'm braindead
12:11<somiaj>pools usually aren't that useful. Have you tried the raspi images? https://raspi.debian.net/
12:11<mish>yeah i've tried the tested images
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12:11<somiaj>elperson: well you cannot get the use of your gpu without it being in modsetting. If you are getting a blackscreen without it, then you have some other issue you should have mentioned in the first place.
12:12<mish>wifi and bluetooth don't work and thats a documented issue but i'm curious if there are any workarounds
12:12<mish>i know i can just plug in an ethernet cable and my bluetooth dongle
12:12<somiaj>mish: Is one able to install non-free firmware to get it to work?
12:12<somiaj>I don't use the images, so i'm unsure
12:12<mish>i could try
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12:12<elperson37>Okay hello
12:13<elperson37>I am on my phone now
12:13<elperson37>And yeah a completely black screen with the default quiet option
12:13<somiaj>elperson37: try 'systemctl set-default multi-user.target' then remove the nomodeset option and reboot
12:13<mish>does the pi400 use the same exact wireless hardware as a regular pi4 would
12:14<somiaj>I'm unsure, you can use lspci or lsusb to see exactly what chipset it is using
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12:15<mish>ok lemme check
12:15<elperson37>Alright yeah booted with the default quiet option and still a black screen
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12:17<somiaj>elperson37: did you run the systemctl command I gave you to change ot multi-user.target first?
12:17<elperson37>Yeah the screen only syows
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12:17<elperson37>With nomodeset
12:17<somiaj>you need to make it so you don't boot your display manager, so we can get into your system and see if we can debug your gpu issue
12:18<mish>lspci says this
12:18<mish>Dual-band (2.4GHz and 5.0GHz) IEEE 802.11b/g/n/ac
12:18<mish>wireless LAN, Bluetooth 5.0, BLE
12:18<mish>lsusb says this
12:18<mish><elperson37> Alright yeah booted with the default quiet option and still a black screen
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12:18<elperson37>I did the systemctl command yes
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12:18<mish>lsusb says this
12:19<mish>detected)
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12:19<somiaj>mish: please don't paste here, also is that all lspci says, it doesn't say what manufacture the dualb-and wifi is?
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12:19<mish>nah it doesn't
12:19<mish>also thanks for letting me know
12:19<mish>will keep that in mind next time
12:19<somiaj>sounds like the hardware might not be known by bullsye, try lspci -vvv and get the pciid of the wifi device
12:20<somiaj>sorry lspci -nnn
12:20<somiaj>you are looking for the numbers [xxxx:yyyy] at the end of the line for the device
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12:23<elperson37>Okay yeah booted with nomodeset because nothing else works
12:23<somiaj>now run systemctl set-default multi-user.target then reboot without nomodeset
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12:24<elperson37>Alright did the command
12:24<elperson37>I rebootee
12:24<elperson37>Aaand no signal
12:25<somiaj>hmm, that is strange, multi-user.target should be able to work without nomodeset
12:25<somiaj>elperson37: do you know what what gpu you have?
12:25<elperson37>Yes I have a rx 570 8GB
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12:27<somiaj>elperson37: you are running debian bullseye correct? Does uname -r say 5.10.0-*
12:29<elperson37>Yes
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12:30<somiaj>I can't seem to get enough info to know what is going on, the fact you can't boot into multi-user.target is strange.
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12:36<elperson>So um what do I do next?
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12:39<elperson>Greay I got disconnected
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12:40<grove>elperson: That depends on what you have done, and what you want to achieve
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12:42<elperson>grove basically my screen is black when launching with quiet and in the wrong resolution with nomodeset
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12:44<elperson>And I dont reall know what to do so
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12:54<tuxd3v>hello guys, does any one have here used xpra todo x11 forward?
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12:58<petn-randall>!ask
12:58<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>.
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13:00<buster_broken>desperate, cannot upgrade buster => bullseye (https://paste.debian.net/1225281)
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13:04<tohoyn>have you done dist-upgrade?
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13:06<Guest9647>am i the only one here
13:06<tohoyn>see https://ostechnix.com/upgrade-to-debian-11-bullseye-from-debian-10-buster/
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13:07<tohoyn>buster_broken: why are you upgrading libc6 only?
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13:09<buster_broken>thanks <tohoyn> done all that ; bloked ad step 5 "apt full-upgrade"
13:10<tohoyn>buster_broken: so the full-upgrade failed?
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13:12<buster_broken>yes
13:12<tohoyn>could you paste its output?
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13:18<tohoyn>buster_broken: "sudo apt-get --fix-broken install" might help but do it at your own risk
13:18<buster_broken>sure see (https://paste.debian.net/1225285)
13:19<buster_broken>nope apt-get seems out of the game ; worked with aptitude all day long ...
13:21<petn-randall>!bat
13:21<dpkg>[Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
13:22<petn-randall>tohoyn: The actual Debian release notes are a better source of upgrade instructions than some blog.
13:22<petn-randall>!release notes
13:22<dpkg>The release notes for Debian 11 (Bullseye) are at https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/amd64/release-notes/ . See also <buster->bullseye>, <bullseye install guide>
13:22<petn-randall>!buster->bullseye
13:23<petn-randall>!localized errors
13:23<dpkg>To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
13:24<tohoyn>buster_broken: what does "devra etre installé" mean?
13:24<petn-randall>buster_broken: Can you provide (in english - see above) all the info of the !bat factoid in a single paste?
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13:24<buster_broken>sure <dpkg> I read this note carefully
13:24<tuxd3v>petn-randall, my doubt has todo with what makes I need, and if the architecture is server-client for xpra..
13:24<elperson>Okay I have an issue I cannot add anything to xrandr
13:25<tuxd3v>or if xpra is nunning over ssh, and its just a mere client..
13:25<elperson>well not add but I am getting this message
13:25<elperson>xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
13:25<buster_broken><tohoyn> means should be installed
13:27<elperson>I tried setting grub resolution, enabling i915 in kernel params
13:27<elperson>but none of that worked
13:27<tohoyn>the error messages are a bit strange...
13:28<petn-randall>tohoyn: It's a package conflict, which is why I posted the !bat and !localized errors factoids. So we can dig into the issue.
13:28<tohoyn>if I understood them correctly, exim4-base depends on exim4-daemon-light (< 4.94.2-6~) but 4.92-8+deb10u6 should be installed
13:28<tohoyn>what is wrong with those versions?
13:29<petn-randall>elperson: What do you mean with you can't add anything to xrandr? It's a tool to do things.
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13:29<petn-randall>tohoyn: That's what #2 of !bat would solve ....
13:29<tohoyn>4.92-8... < 4.94.2-6~ so what is wrong?
13:29<elperson>yeah I wrote that wrong
13:29<elperson>I mean that I am getting the xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
13:30<petn-randall>!goal
13:30<dpkg>Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
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13:30<elperson>I want to make my screen 1920x1080 and not 1024x768
13:30<petn-randall>buster_broken: We can solve your issue in a few minutes if you provide the info I asked for.
13:31<petn-randall>elperson: And that doesn't work with the settings of your desktop environment?
13:31<petn-randall>elperson: What DE are you running, and what's your GPU?
13:31<elperson>yeah  I get the xrandr error when I try to set it
13:31<elperson>I am running KDE and my GPU is RX570 8GB
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13:33<petn-randall>elperson: You're not running X11 then, that's why. Use the settings in KDE to change the resolution.
13:33<buster_broken>aptitude output (https://paste.debian.net/1225288)
13:33<petn-randall>!bat
13:33<dpkg>[Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
13:33<petn-randall>!localized errors
13:33<dpkg>To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
13:33<petn-randall>buster_broken: Read those factoids carefully please. ^
13:34<elperson>petn-randall thing is, KDE only has 1 resolution and its the 1024x768 one
13:34<buster_broken>apt output see previous post (https://paste.debian.net/1225285)
13:34<petn-randall>buster_broken: Are you reading the two factoids at all? Read them again please.
13:35<petn-randall>elperson: Ah, that might be that you're not running the right driver then.
13:35<elperson>I kinda feel like that too
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13:35<elperson>after installing the proprietary firmware yesterday everything was good
13:35<elperson>but now its all bad again
13:35<elperson>how do I check / switch the drivers?
13:36<petn-randall>buster_broken: You want to paste those in english, which is what the !localized errors will help you with. And also provide *all* of that in a single paste, not several ones, as this makes reading it harder.
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13:37<petn-randall>elperson: What happened between yesterday and today then? Did you remove a package or install something?
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13:37<elperson>Well I installed proper cooling and put my PC into the case and thats really it
13:38<elperson>I also started using nomodeset because anything else and I get a black screen
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13:38<towo`>with nomodeset its normal
13:38<towo`>amdgpu only works with KMS, and you deactivate KMS with nomodeset
13:39<towo`>and then it's normal, max resolution is 1024x768
13:39<elperson>aha
13:39<buster_broken>apt-cache policy with locales (https://paste.debian.net/1225289)
13:39<elperson>well how do I not get a blackscreen with quiet?
13:40<towo`>systemd.show_status=1?
13:40<elperson>okay ill try that
13:40<towo`>or what blackscreen you mean?
13:40<elperson>brb rebooting
13:41<elperson>towo` black screen as in no signal
13:41<buster_broken>seems upgrading libc6 is bloked
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13:45<elperson98>alright im back
13:45<elperson98>the systemd thing didn't seem to work
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13:47<elperson98>so yeah still black screen without nomodeset
13:47<buster_broken>!bat
13:47<dpkg>[Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
13:47<blast007> elperson98: just to clarify, you have the firmware-amd-graphics package installed?
13:48<elperson98>yes
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13:48<buster_broken>!localized errors
13:48<dpkg>To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
13:49<buster_broken>!buster->bullseye
13:50<petn-randall>buster_broken: You're still missing #1 and #3 from !bat. You also seem to have weird artifacts that make reading the commandline very difficult.
13:54<buster_broken><petn-randall> : already done #1 for apt and aptitude (but locale fr), done #3 (locale C) for the 4 main problems ; I can redo #1 with locale C
13:55<blast007>buster_broken: you were also asked to put all of them in a single pastebin
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13:55<buster_broken>ok <blast007> work in progress ...
13:55<sussudio>buster_broken: did you use non-debian sources at any point
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13:56<petn-randall>buster_broken: Indeed, not many people speak french here, so that would help your case greatly.
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13:57<petn-randall>buster_broken: If you could also fix those artifacts, that would also help quite a bit (but you also paste with them if it's not possible, better than nothing).
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13:58<elperson98>So is  there like a driver that I need to switch or sth to make the screen work?
13:58<elperson98>Because like even TTY2 doesn't show without nomodeset
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13:59<blast007>elperson98: I'm using the same/similar card here and all I had to do was install the firmware
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13:59<elperson98>Yes I installed the firmware too yesterday and it worked
14:00<elperson98>but now it doesn't
14:00<elperson98>for some reason
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14:00<blast007>after assembling the system, are you sure you plugged the screen into the AMD card and not the onboard video?
14:01<petn-randall>elperson98: You can check in /var/log/apt/history.log what you installed/removed since then.
14:01<elperson98>alright
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14:02<buster_broken><sussudio> only some packages dmo : aacskeys bdvmdbg dumphd libdvdcss2 libdvdcss-dev ; all else is PURE debian
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14:03<petn-randall>I'm guessing that dmo is the cause.
14:03<elperson98>I didn't uninstall any of the drivers I only reinstalled the firmware
14:03<elperson98>To attempt a fix
14:03<buster_broken>sorry, forgot one driver :onerng
14:04<sussudio>as soon as you start adding external sources, it stops being "pure debian".
14:05<elperson98>My history.log if anyone wants to see because maybe im blind lol https://paste.debian.net/1225292/
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14:05<elperson98>But everything should be installed
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14:08<whoami_>jkdsjdlajlsjdlj
14:08<whoami_>kld;as
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14:08-!-mode/#debian [+q whoami_!*@*] by bremner
14:09<@bremner>whoami_: msg me when you fix your keyboard / brain
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14:09<@bremner>or not.
14:10<elperson98>But yeah I should have every driver and yet a black screen without nomodeset
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14:11<buster_broken><blast007> one single mail is not possible : "Could not add your entry to the paste database: Length of code is not allowed to exceed 150kB"
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14:12<sussudio>buster_broken: try removing the debian multimedia things before upgrading.
14:13<elperson98>Because the systemd thing didn't work
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14:22<Sqrt{Not}>elperson98, did it stop working before or after you installed the steam things, and installed "code" whatever that is ?
14:23<Sqrt{Not}>elperson98, also, can you show us the complete grub command line, with or without the nomodeset?
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14:26<hydr0x>Hi there!
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14:28<buster_broken><sussudio> just removed debian multimedia things, but still blocked
14:30<sussudio>buster_broken: well, did you add any other sources that you shouldn't have
14:31<petn-randall>buster_broken: Show us the command + output please.
14:31<buster_broken>no <sussudio> only bullseye-backports.list bullseye.list bullseye-security.list bullseye-updates.list
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14:31<petn-randall>And the output of `apt-cache policy`.
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14:34<buster_broken><sussudio> (https://paste.debian.net/1225295) ; that is correct
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14:36<petn-randall>buster_broken: Seems like your problem is fixed. Congrats!
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14:36<elperson98>Sqrt{Not} It stopped working after installing them, but these applications in no way could break the driver as they are just regular apps grub.cfg https://paste.debian.net/1225296/
14:38<towo`>elperson98: i915.alpha_support=1 what should taht do, if you have a amd card?
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14:38<buster_broken>well <petn-randall> no, the problem is still there
14:38<elperson98>towo` I put that in as an attempt to make xrandr stop complaining about gamma
14:38<elperson98>but that didn't seem to do anything
14:39<towo`>elperson98: i915 is intel! does nothing fo a amd card
14:39<sussudio>buster_broken: did you comment out the debian multimedia line in sources.list and run apt update
14:40<petn-randall>buster_broken: I'll assume the problem is solved unless you show the actual output.
14:40<buster_broken><petn-randall> done the apt-cache policy ; but 17MiB not possible ! ; dpkg -l | wc -l : 3857 !!
14:40<sussudio>...
14:40<petn-randall>sussudio: That is something that `apt-cache policy` would show you.
14:40<towo`>elperson98: and btw, could it be you have intek and amd card at the same time active?
14:40<towo`>*intel
14:40<sussudio>mine is 34 lines. did you frankendebian your install beyond recognition?
14:41<elperson98>Im not sure, only the AMD card is connected to a monitor
14:41<towo`>elperson98: it's your hardware
14:41<petn-randall>buster_broken: `apt-cache policy` is 46 lines on my machine. I suggest you burn the machine and start over.
14:41<towo`>elperson98: lspci | egrep -i "vga|3d|deisplay"
14:41<elperson98>huh, well I have no idea on how to turn off the intel GPU since its literally integrated in the CPU
14:41<buster_broken><sussudio> I removed the bullseye-deb-multimedia.org.list and buster-deb-multimedia.org.list so it's OK
14:41<elperson98>oop
14:42*petn-randall is beginning to understand how it broke in the first place ...
14:42<towo`>elperson98: in your bios
14:42<elperson98>towo` https://paste.debian.net/1225297/
14:42<elperson98>Oh alright
14:42<elperson98>gonna try that then
14:43<sussudio>your dpkg -l | wc -l has 2 times as many lines as mine.
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14:43<elperson98>brb rebooting
14:43<petn-randall>`dpkg -l | wc -l` has literally not been asked for *sigh*
14:43<petn-randall>I give up on buster_broken, good luck!
14:43<sussudio>did he post his sources.list anywhere
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14:44<petn-randall>The relevant part is `apt-cache policy`, but they refuse to post it.
14:44<petn-randall>sources.list might be incomplete, as there are unlimited other files where sources can be defined. It also doesn't show the pinning priority, which is also relevant.
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14:45<buster_broken>still broken ; see apt output (https://paste.debian.net/1225298)
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14:47<petn-randall>"exim4-base : Breaks: exim4-daemon-light (< 4.94.2-6~) but 4.92-8+deb10u6 is to be installed"
14:47<bremner>whoami_: please avoid typing garbage into the channel this time. #test exists for that sort of thing
14:47<petn-randall>So your pinning is broken. Please show the output of `apt-cache policy`.
14:47<buster_broken>yes, <sussudio> 3857 packages is possibly a lot ; starting thinking of a full reinstall ... but ...
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14:48<sussudio>,v exim4-daemon-light
14:48<judd>Package: exim4-daemon-light on amd64 -- stretch: 4.89-2+deb9u7; stretch-proposed-updates: 4.89-2+deb9u7; stretch-security: 4.89-2+deb9u7; stretch-backports: 4.92-8+deb10u3~bpo9+1; buster: 4.92-8+deb10u6; buster-security: 4.92-8+deb10u6; buster-backports: 4.94.2-7~bpo10+1; bullseye: 4.94.2-7; bookworm: 4.95-3; sid: 4.95-3
14:49<buster_broken>ok <petn-randall>, thank you for trying ; that was nice ; bye bye
14:49<petn-randall>buster_broken: "LC_ALL=C apt upgrade --without-new-pkgs[K[K[K[K[K[K[K[K[K[K[K[K[K[K[K[K[K[K[K[K[K[K[K[K[K[K[7mfull-upgrade[27mfull-upgrade"
14:49<petn-randall>What is the actual command line here? ^
14:50<petn-randall>buster_broken: Note that we could have fixed this machine an hour ago.
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14:50<Cro0k3dMan>Henlo
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14:50<petn-randall>hi Cro0k3dMan
14:50<Cro0k3dMan>Hello friend
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14:51<Cro0k3dMan>im not gonna talk about judy
14:51<petn-randall>Cro0k3dMan: Great. Keep it to Debian support in here.
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14:53<buster_broken><petn-randall> dont understand your request ? already done apt ... cf (https://paste.debian.net/1225298)
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14:54<elperson>alright my onboard gpu has been disabled
14:54<bremner>dpkg: tell buster_broken about bat
14:54<elperson>though I still do get a black screen when booting with quiet
14:55<bremner>buster_broken: for your reading convenience, I sent you the instructions again in a query.
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14:57<petn-randall>buster_broken: When I type that command in the commandline, I get an error. So whatever you're copy/pasting is not what you're running in a shell.
14:57<bremner>it's script, making a mess of things
14:57<bremner>(I think)
14:57<petn-randall>Obviously, but it's unclear which parameter is actually having an effect.
14:57<buster_broken>yes <bremner> I done !bat seems the problem is around libc6, exim4 ... cf (https://paste.debian.net/1225289)
14:58<petn-randall>buster_broken: It's made out of parts #1, #2, #3. So far you have only posted #1 and #2. And even those are IMHO incomplete because it's not clear what command you actually ran.
14:59<buster_broken>yes <petn-randall> you have to read it with less -r <file> cause of raw controls
14:59<elperson>towo`The integrated GPU is now disabled but I still get a black screen with the quiet parameter
14:59<elperson>towo`
14:59<petn-randall>buster_broken: Is it `apt upgrade`? Is it `apt full-upgrade`? Is it `apt upgrade --without-new-pkgs`? Two hours later it's still a mystery.
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15:00<towo`>elperson: without a relevat logfile from that boot, no one can say anything
15:00<elperson>Well where are boot logfiles
15:01<towo`>elperson: make sure, you have persitent journal
15:01<buster_broken>I just followed the release-notes so 'apt update' 'apt upgrade --without-new-pkgs' and finally 'apt full-upgrade'
15:01<towo`>then boot with nomodeset and do journalctl -b -1
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15:02<petn-randall>buster_broken: And which of those commands is throwing the error? Your paste doesn't show that.
15:02<buster_broken>and same with aptitude : 'aptitude update' 'aptitude safe-upgrade' 'aptitude full-upgrade'
15:02<petn-randall>Yes, irrelevant
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15:03<petn-randall>buster_broken: Please show us the output of exactly `apt-cache policy`.
15:03<buster_broken>the last parts of the file <petn-randall> shows broken problems
15:03<petn-randall>buster_broken: Yes, BUT IT DOESN'T SHOW THE COMMAND BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T COPY/PASTE IT PROPERLY!
15:04<petn-randall>buster_broken: WHICH IS WHY I'M ASKING YOU.
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15:04<buster_broken>yes see (https://paste.debian.net/1225300)
15:05<petn-randall>buster_broken: What is the output of `apt-cache policy exim4-daemon-light`?
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15:06<bremner>buster_broken: I suggest you stop using script, as it is just making more work for people trying to help you.
15:06<bremner>or you preprocess the output to remove the control codes
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15:07<buster_broken>yes <petn-randall> see (https://paste.debian.net/1225301)
15:07<buster_broken><bremner> OK I'll copy/paste next time
15:08<buster_broken>sorry for that
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15:09<petn-randall>buster_broken: Ok, so do the following: Run `apt install exim4-daemon-light`. This will error out with "The following packages have unmet dependencies: [...] <package> X but Y is to be installed." Then run `apt install <package>` and repeat the procedure until you get a different error message.
15:10<elperson79>towo` https://paste.debian.net/1225303/
15:10<elperson79>Here is my boot journal
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15:11<towo`>elperson79: no, is not
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15:12<towo`>elperson79: it begins in the middle of boot
15:12<towo`>that is never 'journalctl -b -1'
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15:12<buster_broken><petn-randall>, see (https://paste.debian.net/1225304)
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15:15<aidalgol>Is there an equivalent to «aptitude purge ~c» with just apt and dpkg?
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15:15<elperson79>!paste
15:15<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: https://paste.debian.net | pics/screenshots: https://imgbb.com/ or https://imgur.com/upload | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): https://wikisend.com | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>.
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15:16<samsep01>clear
15:16<samsep01>Hi
15:16<samsep01>anynody here
15:16<samsep01>wooow
15:16<petn-randall>samsep01: All the nicks that just scrolled by as you connected.
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15:18<sussudio>,v libgegl-0.4-0
15:18<judd>Package: libgegl-0.4-0 on amd64 -- buster: 0.4.12-2; bullseye: 1:0.4.26-2; bookworm: 1:0.4.34-1; sid: 1:0.4.34-1
15:18<elperson79>towo` https://pastebin.com/D4zM9d2q
15:18<sussudio>,i libgegl-0.4-0
15:18<judd>Package libgegl-0.4-0 (libs, optional) in bullseye/amd64: Generic Graphics Library. Version: 1:0.4.26-2; Size: 938.3k; Installed: 3691k; Homepage: https://gegl.org/
15:18<elperson79>sudo fixed the journalctl
15:19<petn-randall>buster_broken: You seem to have a dependency loop somewhere, I'm guessing caused by dmo packages. You need to remove any packages from dmo before you can continue.
15:19<towo`>elperson79: that is useless!
15:20<aidalgol>Found it: apt purge $(dpkg --get-selections | grep deinstall | cut -f1)
15:20<towo`>elperson79: You have booted with nomodeset. This means your GPU drivers are DISABLED
15:20<buster_broken><petn-randall> I already removed all dmo packages
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15:20<petn-randall>buster_broken: Show us the output of `dpkg -l | grep dmo`.
15:20<towo`>elperson79: i need the log from a boot without nomodeset
15:20<elperson79>oh alright
15:20<elperson79>Okay brb
15:20<samsep01>fih 3rb????
15:21<samsep01>how can i join dalnet with proxy or vpn
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15:21<at0m>samsep01: how is that a debian question
15:21<petn-randall>samsep01: Ask google? This is a Debian support channel.
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15:22<samsep01>i'm sorry
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15:23<samsep01>suiiiiiiiiii
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15:23<buster_broken>done <petn-randall> see https://paste.debian.net/1225305
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15:24<elperson>towo`okay this one is without nomodeset I even checked myself https://pastebin.com/7pFTRA1G
15:24<elperson>towo`
15:25<petn-randall>buster_broken: Ok, I'd do the following: Comment out the bullseye lines in sources.list, add buster back again. Then run `apt update; apt upgrade; apt install -f`. I'm guessing that your installation was previously already inconsistent.
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15:25<buster_broken>ok <petn-randall> in progress
15:26<colo>TobiX, I log in as that very user/account via SSH.
15:27<buster_broken>euh ... minute ... I'm not buster anymore, but a mix of buster and bullseyes
15:27<TobiX>colo: Does loginctl show a session for that user?
15:27<colo>TobiX, yes. I also enabled linger for that account.
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15:27<buster_broken>already cleaned all 09 packages, but forget to remove dmo ones
15:28<mbianchi>I am trying to understand why my networkmanager-vpnc stop working after I upgrade to the 11.2 but daemon.log just show '/usr/sbin/vpnc: no response from target'. How to debug it deeper. Any ideas?
15:28<petn-randall>buster_broken: What does that mean?
15:31<buster_broken>I'm now in the middle of the river ; meaning still have buster packages and bullseyes packages, 'apt upgrade --without-new-pkgs' did all possible but 'apt full-upgrade' is blocking because of dependencies as you pointed that <petn-randall>
15:31<buster_broken>there are no packages older than debian 09
15:31<petn-randall>buster_broken: Ah, so it did actually upgrade some packages?
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15:32<buster_broken>yes, <petn-randall> absolutely
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15:32<towo`>elperson: boot your system with amdgpu.dc=0
15:33<elperson>alright gonna try that
15:33<petn-randall>buster_broken: Oof, that's a tough one. You could try manually upgrading packages to circumvent the resolver, but that might completely bork the system. Do you have backups of the data?
15:33<buster_broken>but there a big mess around libc6, libgegl-0.4-0 locales
15:33<petn-randall>Indeed.
15:33<buster_broken>as you said, yep !!
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15:34<elperson75>towo` OMG IT WORKS THANKS
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15:34<buster_broken>yes I made a backup, so it's possible to return to buster just before trying the move to bullseyes
15:35<buster_broken>... and remove dmo fist, sure ! but there something else
15:35<petn-randall>buster_broken: You could hammer the upgrade by going to /var/cache/apt/archives/ and running manually `dpkg -i <libc package>`, and a few others, but there's a chance you might break dpkg/apt completely. In that case I'd just start over again from backups.
15:36<petn-randall>But that's really using a hammer to get the round peg through the square hole. It might work though.
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15:37<buster_broken>well yes you mean 'dpkg -i libc6 --force' sure that's the last try
15:37<petn-randall>buster_broken: If you restore from backups, let us know, and we'll go through a proper checklist before we start the upgrade.
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15:38<buster_broken>ok <petn-randall> thank you for your support
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15:39<petn-randall>buster_broken: Yes, but you need the full path/filename. So it'll be something like libc6_2.31-13+deb11u2_amd64.deb or so.
15:39<mbianchi>buster_broken, why not remove everything else ... like gnome and other stuff, upgrade without libgegl
15:39<petn-randall>or that. ^
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15:41<buster_broken><mbianchi> I take that idea : restore to buster and remove ALL NOT absolutely needed ; but without gnome have to install lighter thing : lxde ...
15:41<petn-randall>buster_broken: For the upgrade you can remove gnome, and install it again later.
15:42<petn-randall>buster_broken: Your config will still be there, so it's just a temporary thing.
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15:44<buster_broken>yes, remember at that time apt suggested me to remove things like 'brasero' so with aptitude confirmed not remove these ... and a lot more packages (so 3856) ... too much ?
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15:44<buster_broken>thank you <petn-randall>
15:44<buster_broken>thank you <mbianchi>
15:45<mbianchi>buster_broken, good luck! you can use a text mode irc client like irssi if things break in text-mode - we are around.
15:46<petn-randall>buster_broken: You're welcome! Fingers crossed it works out.
15:47<buster_broken>thank you <mbianchi> but I prefer scp <file> computer2:~/ ; on my internal secure network
15:48<buster_broken>yep <petn-randall> have to burn a debian-live before and then restore and then 'try again'
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16:13<aindilis>I got a new cheap laptop and got into the bios and it has TPM Eufi etc, do I disable all this to install Debian?
16:14<aindilis>things have changed since I last installed on a new PC
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16:14<aindilis>any also are there any other caveats I ought to know?
16:15<format_c>Last time I've installed a recent UEFI BIOS PC, I had to use the netinst image that includes the non-free drivers.
16:15<format_c>Otherwise the installer failed at the stage to install grub to the disk.
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16:16<aindilis>it's from 2020 refurb,so I'll just try disabling it all then, ty!
16:17<mbianchi>aindilis, I normally leave TPM off and UEFI on
16:17<bremner>aindilis: see https://www.debian.org/releases/bullseye/amd64/ch03s06.en.html (and the rest of the install guide)
16:17<petn-randall>aindilis: I'd install with UEFI, if at all you only want to disable secure boot (for when you roll your own kernels or use dkms).
16:18<aindilis>okay ty!
16:18<aindilis>appreciate the assistance!
16:20<esselfe>I decided to install Debian on my 32bit tower at home :) I will set it to testing, I liked my experience with a bullseye server
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16:23<petn-randall>esselfe: bullseye ist stable now.
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16:24<esselfe>yeah, I want this one more cutting edge :P
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16:39<joeDoe>can anyone think why gajim might tell me "Error host-unknown" and dino-im tell me "Could not connect to domainname" when I try to connect to a xmpp server I'm setting up? I've ssh'd into the machine using the domainname. I've pinged the domainname and I get served the web page at domainname with Firefox. All these other connections are from the same computer/IP address. Only gajim
16:39<joeDoe>and dino-im seem to be unable to find it. I'm stumped. No idea. Any one else?
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16:40<raven523>I think it might be trying to look up an SRV record for xmpp on the domain
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16:41<raven523>https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/SRV_Records#XMPP_SRV_records
16:41<raven523>it's a way to have xmpp domain names be different from the server's hostname
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16:43<joeDoe>I don't control dns so I hope it's not that
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16:44<joeDoe>I don't need the xmpp service to have it's own subdomain, and don't think I configured it that way
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16:45<raven523>it's probably that
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16:47<raven523>it looks like clients are supposed to try regular address records (A/AAAA) if it can't find SRV records, so maybe it's not that
16:48<raven523>can you resolve the hostname over DNS with something like dig or nslookup?
16:48<Habbie>that was also my impression
16:48<Habbie>joeDoe, what's the server name?
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16:50<TobiX>joeDoe: Does https://xmpp.net/ give you a "green" report for your server?
16:50<joeDoe>Yes, like I said I can ssh in to the domain, I can ping it, and I can connect with Firefox
16:50<earendel>my first guess would have been a firewall or so
16:50<earendel>the port blocked.
16:50<earendel>you could try the ip.
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16:52<joeDoe>I get the same response using the ip
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16:53<earendel>then it's eventually not a name resolution problem.
16:54<joeDoe>TobiX: that site says for publicly available servers. It's on the net, but it's not open to the public. Will that site publish my site as public if I test?
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16:56<earendel>how do you even know that service is running?
16:57<joeDoe>nmap tells me so
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16:58<joeDoe>nmap -p<port> <ip address>
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17:03<earendel>you call nmap from local machine.. or thru ssh?
17:04<joeDoe>from my desktop
17:04<joeDoe>but wait..
17:04<earendel>the next thing i would suggest is a ssh tunnel .. via ssh -L or -D
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17:05<earendel>in case it's not reachable to outside network but you can ssh in.
17:06<TobiX>joeDoe: Yeah, results on that page is public...
17:06<joeDoe>this is on a freedombox and there are diagnostics. The port tests pass, but the access url tests fail
17:06<joeDoe>though I don't know exactly what that means
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17:11<SonicR>why is my numlock on as i startup my freshly installed debian 11 ?
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17:13<Sqrt{Not}>7894561230./*-+ hey, mine is on too (even though I don't care)
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17:14<Sqrt{Not}>%numlock
17:14<dselect>Use setleds(1) to set the NumLock (and CapsLock and ScrollLock) status in a virtual terminal. Have a look at the numlockx package to set the NumLock status in X.
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17:25<Sqrt{Not}>(FWIW numlock seems to default OFF in the text VTs)
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17:27<joeDoe>I don't think I've ever had numlock actually lock in Linux unless I manually triggered it. Always off otherwise, if my memory serves me correctly
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17:33<joeDoe>I just noticed that all the access url (which all failed) involve BOSH. For example, "Access URL http://127.0.0.1/bosh/ on tcp4 failed", "Access URL http://<the server's public IPv4 address>/bosh/ on tcp4 failed"
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17:37<joeDoe>This test, "Port xmpp-bosh (5280/tcp) available for external networks" and all the listening tests, eg., "Listening on tcp4 port 5222", though, pass (I don't know what the difference between a listening test and a port test is)
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18:01<earendel>what is gajim
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18:04<earendel>maybe all /shob/ urls wont work neither.
18:05<earendel>what is a virtual terminal?
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18:16<userT>By chance, is someone aware of this "bug"? https://stackoverflow.com/questions/45329372/ubuntu-recognizes-executable-as-shared-library-and-wont-run-it-by-clicking
18:16<userT>Because it seemingly still applies to latest Debian...
18:22<mbianchi>userT, I had never realized about it (why clicking something to exec it) but it does not seens really a bug for me. Nevertheless you can open it w/ 'xterm -e' from any filemanager
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18:23<userT>Oh, so it's actually a bad practice...
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18:24<mbianchi>I am not so sure. But prefer to call things on terminal, or quick-command-launchers over shortcut (Alt+F2 on Xfce for example).
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18:27<mbianchi>userT, Also, GUI programs normally install icons and ".desktop" files that are "launchers" to it. Check the folder '/usr/share/applications/', my filemanager allows me to launch applications from there. Clicking on those files.
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18:31<userT>Yes. The the one being complete idiot was me
18:31<userT>*Then
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18:38<mbianchi>not really, somethings are just not so obvious if you not used to it.
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18:57<userT>Ok, thanks.
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20:27<A|an>What's the explanation for linux-headers-amd64 linux-image-amd64 being held back following update/upgrade?
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20:40<awal1>!bat
20:40<dpkg>[Basic Apt* Troubleshooting]. To diagnose your problem, we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use https://paste.debian.net/ to provide us with this information. Also ask me about <localized errors>.
20:40<awal1>A|an ^
20:42<awal1>A|an, i guess you are in testing or unstable? usually pkgs are held because of dependencies issues
20:43<awal1>testing&unstable #debian-next
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20:50<freq>https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/newyear
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20:57*awal1 finds aptitude very helpful when there are unmet deps
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21:05<trevorksmith>Anyone have experience with multipath? having issues setting it up. Never comes up properly after reboot
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21:09<trevorksmith>Anyone have experience with multipath? having issues setting it up. Never comes up properly after reboot
21:09<trevorksmith>opps, sorry
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21:16<jonathon>multipath failure? ;P
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21:27<trevorksmith>I feel like its timing out cause theres 106 disks to bring up. So then i have to manually restart it.
21:28<trevorksmith>If i flush it out with -F, then start again, it times out, then restart agian. Finishes, and things good.
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23:10<dathckr>How to set Qsynth in daemon?
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