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00:23<anjannath>i face a lot of issues with Gnome on debian, the windows would become unresponsive, clicks will occur on different buttons, and sometimes all mouse clicks stops working, then i have to switch to a different console using alt+ctrl+f* and back to the original one or if possible logout and login to get it all working again
00:23<anjannath>anyone else face similar issues, am runnning bullseye with latest gnome packages
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00:38<Tor_>Good evening
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00:41<Tor_>Good evening
00:44<Tor_>We are complete noobs to linux and have installed debian on a new laptop.
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00:48<anjannath>Tor_: that's awesome, have fun now, did you need help for any specific issues you are facing?
00:48<Tor_>Yes actually.
00:49<Tor_>We have been unable to get the wifi to work.
00:49<Tor_>Probably the most common problem people have I imagine
00:51<Tor_>Linux appears to see the networking card when we type the lspci command
00:52<Tor_>but does not show up at all in the network manager
00:53<petit>Tor_ welcome to GNU/Linux \o/
00:54<Tor_>Thank you. We are both still running win 7, since microsoft went further and further toward the darkside
00:55<petit>Tor_, what is you desktop environment ?
00:55<somiaj>Debian separates non-free firmware out of the main packages due to its stance in the DFSG. Almost all wifi makes use of non-free firmware, so if you want ot use your wifi you need to install the corresponding firmware.
00:55<Tor_>First thing we did with the new laptop, was remove the ssd with win 11 and installed a blank nvme ssd
00:55<somiaj>According to lspci, what is the chipset of your wifi card?
00:56<Tor_>It is a Realtek RTL8821CE pcie NIC
00:57<somiaj>You will need to install firmware-realtek from non-free
00:57<somiaj>Tor_: do you have a wired network connection working on that machine?
00:58<Tor_>Unfortunately, this HP laptop is a slim one and has no LAN port
00:58<Tor_>we did download: Package: firmware-realtek (20210315-3) [non-free]
00:59<somiaj>did you copy it over to the laptop, then 'dpkg -i foo.deb' the package?
00:59<Tor_>we xsfered it to the new laptop and attempted install with (dpkg -i *.deb)
01:00<somiaj>did it not install? Did you not download the right .deb for the version of debian you are using?
01:00<Tor_>we had SU access
01:00<Tor_>It appeared to install, but I don't know how to confirm
01:00<somiaj>dpkg -l firmware-realtek
01:00<dpkg>ii firmware-realtek 3.2-13.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
01:01<somiaj>you should se an ii next to it like the bot responded
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01:03<Tor_>I typed: dpkg -l firmware-realtek
01:03<Tor_>I recieved: ii firmware-realtek 20210315-3 all Binary firmware for Realtek.....
01:05<Tor_>We are running Debian 11 (5.10.0-9) cinnamon 4.8.6
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01:06<somiaj>Have you rebooted since you installed the firmware?
01:06<Tor_>Yes multiple times
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01:06<somiaj>you can look at dmesg | grep -i firmware to check wiether or not your wifi card has loaded firmware or not
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01:09<Tor_>Mesg: (firmware: direct-loading firmware rtw88/rtw8821c_fw.bin
01:10<Tor_>Mesg: (firmware: direct-loading firmware version 24.8.0, H2C version 12
01:15<somiaj>Tor_: if you run 'ip addr' do you see a wireless interface listed, usually starts with a w
01:16<Tor_>Negative. I see the only network available, "<lo; loopback, up, lower up>"
01:18<Tor_>Same information I got when I typed "nmcli device show"
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01:19<somiaj>You may have to look in dmesg a little closer to see what maybe happening. It seems to load the firmware, which should be all it needs
01:20<Tor_>Thank you for the info.
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01:21<somiaj>Okay found some info in google. First it seems that this wifi requires an out of tree module
01:21<Tor_>I apparently need to get a intro to linux book ;-)
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01:22<somiaj>this suggests you need to build a third party module to that wifi card working.
01:22<somiaj>Yea, seems you got unlucky there. Most wifi hardware is supported with just needing firmware
01:23<Tor_>We have an HP 15t-dy200
01:24<Tor_>We'll give that a read, thank you.
01:24<somiaj>yea looks like there is only firmware for the 8821c but not the 8821ce
01:25<Tor_>darn manufactureres, its a conspiracy, they change one letter and you have to buy a whole new computer
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01:28<Tor_>@somiaj Thank you again for your help.
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01:35<SonicR> I noticed that browsing pages loaded with heavy scripts (such as facebook) causes lags / temporary freze. it does this now with my new debian 11 install. the debian 10 i had before was performing better on my core2uo laptop. any clue ?
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01:38<Tor_>Have a good night, thank you again for your time.
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03:12<Gerowen>Question about self-made deb packages. If I sign a .deb package with my personal signing key, but somebody doesn't have my public key imported yet, would that stop them from installing that .deb package on their system? It seems like it would since if you add a third party repo to apt you have to first import the signing key.
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03:28<SmplyPddy>Gerowen: how i understand it, you are warned before the package install but you can ignore the warning and install anyways
03:29<Gerowen>Just curious. I've made a handful of deb packages mostly for myself, but I've had my personal public key published for some time now and have considered learning and getting more involved in helping package things for Debian, which would mean signing them I'm guessing to prove that I'm the one who built that package. Even just for my personal projects, to give people peace of mind that it hasn't been tampered with in transit.
03:31<SmplyPddy>Gerowen: how do users get to your packages? a personal website?
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03:33<Gerowen>I've just been sticking them on SourceForge since it's mostly just for my personal use and some immediate family and friends.
03:33<Gerowen>Here's one where I'm tinkering with providing signed and unsigned copies of the deb.
03:34<Gerowen>I'm not a professional programmer, so it's mostly just little personal projects and tinker toys.
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03:35<Gerowen>But, for example, for my Minecraft server I had to go manually download the tarball for the latest version of OpenJDK which wasn't available, at least at the time, through Debian. I have considered just turning that into a deb package that I can use later.
03:35<Gerowen>And I'm just a little curious about the advantages/disadvantages of signing any packages I make.
03:38<SmplyPddy>i need to leave that topic to more advanced users
03:38<TobiX>Gerowen: For Java specifically, I would suggest using Adoptium packages: (Debian repositories are not quite ready since the migration from AdoptOpenJDK to Eclipse Adoptium isn't finished yet)
03:39<TobiX>Gerowen: Debian doesn't verify signatures on single debs by default, only keys on repositories
03:44<TobiX>Gerowen: See the manpage apt-secure ( for the details on how apt verifies signatures
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05:46<SonicR>why am i getting this pop-up autentication thing when i start the computer ?
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06:05<gratuxri>Did you have activated autologin feature?
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06:06<gratuxri>No, it looks more after your autostart scripts, which try to reload systemd state
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06:09<gratuxri>ls -al ~/.config/autostart/ /etc/xdg/autostart/
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06:12<SonicR>gratuxri: i did try to setup auto login by editing this file. /home/user/.config/lxsession/LXDE/autostart
06:12<SonicR>however it does not work,
06:13<SonicR>and now on top of everything, i get that autentication pop-up
06:14<gratuxri>Can you post your autostart scripts?
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06:23<SonicR>i noticed one error. two commands not separated by ;
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08:04<Strykar>why would this package be available for debian 10 and 12 but not 11?
08:05<bremner>well, 12 is not released, so your question doesn't really make sense
08:05<bremner>but packages are often in testing but not in stable, that's how RC bugs work
08:06<bremner>check for the full story
08:07<pert>yes, the full story is that it was removed due to this bug:
08:07<judd>Bug in glances (open, patch): «glances: contains prebuilt javascript without source»; severity: serious; opened: 2021-06-26; last modified: 2021-08-30.
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08:50<FLD>,checkbackport glances
08:50<judd>Backporting package glances in sid→bullseye/amd64: unsatisfiable build dependencies: Build-Depends: debhelper-compat (= 13).
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09:04<Strykar>I see, thank you
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09:43<liliFee>Hi I have issues with my WLAN. Just installed Linux Debian 11. I tried to use this iwlwifi drivers. But still not working
09:44<liliFee>has someone a clue how to fix it?
09:45<liliFee>WLAN is switched ON. I can see it on the WLAN Status LED. But nothing appears in system, - no WLAN Options Dialog
09:46<sussudio>,file iwlwifi-2030-6.ucode
09:46<judd>No packages in bullseye/amd64 were found with that file.
09:47<liliFee> I cannot follow :) . I have installed on another machine bullseye 11.01 and used that mentioned driver
09:48<liliFee>And here it is the bullseye version 11.02. But does not work
09:48<sussudio>,i firmware-iwlwifi
09:48<judd>Package firmware-iwlwifi (non-free/kernel, optional) in bullseye/amd64: Binary firmware for Intel Wireless cards. Version: 20210315-3; Size: 13133.0k; Installed: 114026k; Homepage:
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09:50<towo`>iwlwifi-2030-6.ucode is not a driver, it is a firmware
09:51<liliFee>but is it for my Hardware? I have a Intel i3 not an amd64
09:53<liliFee>Why this version not the newest one? :)
09:55<liliFee>how to install??
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09:56<dpkg>Intel Corporation is a semiconductor manufacturer. For support of wireless LAN adapters, ask me about <iwlwifi>, <ipw2200>, <ipw2100>. For support of Ethernet controllers, ask me about <e100>, <e1000>, <e1000e>, <igb>, <ixgbe>. For support of WiMAX devices, ask me about <i2400m-usb>. For support of integrated graphics chipsets, ask me about <intel-gfx>. See also <ia64>, <isci>, <speedstep>.
09:57<dpkg>Intel Itanium Architecture (formerly IA-64) is Intel's *other* 64-bit architecture. Itanium processors are primarily found in HP Integrity servers. . Debian 8 ("Jessie") drops official support for Intel Itanium Architecture. It is not the same as the AMD64 / Intel 64 / x86-64 chips used in PCs, ask me about <amd64>. See also <qotd279>.
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09:59<liliFee>I think the firmware is already installed
10:01<liliFee>I have checked it with terminal. And it looked for me like this Firmware is already used
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10:07<another>liliFee: amd64 is an architecture. All modern x86 CPUs use it
10:08*dvs looks at his M1
10:08<towo`>Mi isn't x86
10:09<towo`>so what will you say dvs?
10:09<dvs>just lookin' ;-)
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10:24<tohoyn>liliFee: if your WLAN still does not work please give output of "lspci | grep Network"
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10:31<another>hmm.. okay, I think the PS4, PS5, Xbox One might be excluded
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10:33<boodie>Hi [bullseye]. I am trying to see a USB disk plugged into an ASUS router, I presune that I have to activate SAMBA but I haven't go a clue
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10:35<tohoyn>boodie: lsusb
10:37<tohoyn>boodie: could you paste its output to the pastezone
10:39<tohoyn>do you see the router or the USB drive there?
10:39<towo`>why should lsusb show a network router?
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10:40<tohoyn>ok. I was wrong. I just thought it could show the usb drive.
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10:40<towo`>the router can share the usb drive per network protocolls like smb, ftp or nfs
10:40<azeem>the usb drive is plugged into a remote router
10:40<boodie>Sonded strange ...
10:40<towo`>so 1st part is to configure the router for providing that share
10:41<towo`>but that is not a debian problem
10:41<towo`>after the router provides the share correct, you can mount it in your debian system
10:41<boodie>I have dual boot, it works in Win10
10:42<cp0m>So its likely shared via smb, i think
10:42<boodie>Basically, I would like to use the USB disk on the router as backup
10:42<towo`>then the router propaby provides it as smb
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10:42<cp0m>You need to connect to the smb server via a client
10:43<cp0m>For example, Dolphin shows the smb shares in Network > Shared Folders (SMB)
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10:43<boodie>If I go in the file manager, I click on Browse Network -> Windows Network -> smb:///
10:44<boodie>but no way I can access
10:44<cp0m>Does it get displayed?
10:44<cp0m>Or does it not get displayed at all?
10:44<boodie> not get displayed at all
10:44<boodie>all I see is smb:///
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10:45<cp0m>it might take a while to check for smb shares
10:45<boodie>I tried to input the router address, followed by the disk name, all ways
10:45<cp0m>Also, if you know excactly, what credentials the smb share has, you can try to connect to it directly
10:45<towo`>try mounting it in terminal
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10:46<towo`>browsing smb often relies on sbv v1.0, which should be deaxtivated hopefully
10:46<towo`>*smb v1.0
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10:47<boodie>How do I to connect to it directly?
10:47<cp0m>smbclient seems to be a good option
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10:48<boodie>I mean from terminal?
10:48<cp0m>but never used it by myself, aways done that via fstbale before
10:48<liliFee>@dpkg: how can I ask you questions about <iwlwifi>?
10:48<towo`>mount -t cifs //server/sgare /path/to/mountpoint
10:48<cp0m>smbclient is a tui application
10:49<liliFee>I have issues with firmware of my WLAN Adapter
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10:50<dpkg>The iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports several Intel 802.11n (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N) and 802.11ac adapters. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices and troubleshooting hints are listed at . See also <iwlegacy>, <iwl7000>.
10:50<dvs><tohoyn> liliFee: if your WLAN still does not work please give output of "lspci | grep Network"
10:50<towo`>and maybe dmesg | grep -i iwlwifi
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10:57<liliFee>where I can paste the output of dmesg?
10:58<dpkg>Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use for text: | pics/screenshots: or | large files up to 100MB (think tar.gz): | Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! Cannot cut and paste? Ask me about <pastebinit>, <nopaste>, <termbin>.
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10:59<liliFee> -> dmesg Output
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11:00<liliFee> -> lscpi Output
11:03<tohoyn>liliFee: download and install
11:03<tohoyn>liliFee: see instructions in
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11:07<liliFee>how can I check if it is already installed or not?
11:08<liliFee>installation from readme, is quit difficult for a newby like me :/
11:09<SmplyPddy>lsmod, lspci -v
11:11<liliFee> -> lspci -v Outout
11:11<liliFee>Kernel modules: iwlwifi -> I understand it in this way that it is already installed
11:12<liliFee>But there ist also given: "Capabilities: <access denied>"
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11:14<somiaj>liliFee: dpkg -l firmware-iwlwifi will check if you have the debian package instaleld
11:14<somiaj>I suggest installing the package, it should provide you with the firmware you need.
11:15<liliFee>OK, it is indeed not installed
11:16<somiaj>hmm, when did dpkg -l start using a pager by default?
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11:21<liliFee>somiaj: I do not understand your suggestion
11:21<liliFee>I am still searching for an easy way to install the firmware..
11:22<gratuxri>He want use |less by default :)
11:22<towo`>liliFee: apt install firmware-iwlwifi
11:23<amacater_>but make sure you have non-free in your /etc/apt/sources.list
11:23<gratuxri>It can sometimes be difficult without wifi ;(
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11:25<tohoyn>liliFee: If you haven't got net access from your machine you can obtain the drivers from here:
11:25<amacater_>If you haven't got wifi but have got another machine to download on, you can also download the non-free firmware .iso and boot from that in rescue mode but that gets complicated :)
11:26<liliFee>I am already on that machine with Wifi Problems. I connected to net via cable
11:26<liliFee>*I am
11:26<gratuxri>Good, that you have possibility to use the cable ;)
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11:30<liliFee>:) so what is an easy way to install the firmware? It is not the same like in Win just to click on a exe File
11:30<tohoyn>liliFee: could you paste your file /etc/apt/sources.list
11:30<amacater_>apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi (as root or after using sudo to become root equivalent)
11:31<another>,v firmware-iwlwifi
11:31<judd>Package: firmware-iwlwifi on amd64 -- stretch/non-free: 20161130-5; stretch-backports/non-free: 20190114-2~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 20190114-2; buster-backports/non-free: 20210315-3~bpo10+1; bullseye/non-free: 20210315-3; bookworm/non-free: 20210818-1; sid/non-free: 20210818-1
11:31<another>... and adding non-free
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11:33<liliFee>after installation of firmware, do I have to restart? To see if it worked?
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11:36<EmleyMoor>Getting this error when trying to use docker - installed either "straight Debian" or from docker's own repository:
11:37<EmleyMoor>Error on installation
11:38<another>look at the logs
11:39<EmleyMoor>Which logs are the logs?
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11:40<tohoyn>liliFee: does it work now?
11:41<liliFee>sudo apt-get install iwlwifi -> worked very good
11:41<another>journalctl -u docker.service
11:41<liliFee>thks a lot!!
11:42<liliFee>but I still would like to know how I can just install the "iwlwifi-2030-6.ucode" for example when I do have internet
11:42<EmleyMoor>Hmmm... no aufs, it seems
11:42<liliFee>I had actually prepared it on a USB-Stick
11:43<EmleyMoor>(how I resolve this is not obvious
11:44<dpkg>[non-free] a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed ask me about <non-free list>.
11:44<tohoyn>liliFee: this might help:
11:45<Sqrt{Not}>liliFee, in general, on debian, it is better to use the apt package manager tools than to install individual files you find on the internet.
11:46<amacater_>lilifree - essentially, you shouldn't now need to install individual components to get your Intel wifi to work. The Debian package rolls up the firmware you need. It will be updated in the same way that any other packages are updated when you do an apt-update
11:46<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See and <reinstall>
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11:50<EmleyMoor>Still not getting anywhere - it's still trying to use aufs despite following
11:51<Sqrt{Not}>liliFee, for example, with your wifi example, there will be a kernel module that interacts with that microcode in the adapter. It's possible that there might be a bugfix or other update in the future, and both should be upgraded together. debian makes that automatic
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11:53<tohoyn>I wonder why the dmesg output seemed to indicate that the iwlwifi module is present
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11:54<icelupin7>sudo apt -t testing install python3
11:55<bremner>that seems like a pretty bad idea
11:55<icelupin7>been trying to upgrade python from 3.7 which is default version
11:55<icelupin7>for old stable
11:55<bremner>ok, I take it back
11:55<bremner>it sounds like a _really_ bad idea
11:55<liliFee>OK I will have a look to the both links regarding the topic.
11:56<icelupin7>any reason
11:56<icelupin7>for calling it a bad idea
11:56<tohoyn>liliFee: I recommend installing from the debian packages, too
11:56<bremner>icelupin7: mixing packages from testing and old stable is a bad idea
11:56<liliFee>It was bit unliky that I had prepared it on the USBStick and during installation it did not recognize the firmware on the stick :/
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11:57<bremner>icelupin7: it draws in extra dependencies, and makes your system unsupportable
11:57<icelupin7>but wouldn't it uninstall old stable packages
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11:57<icelupin7>since new ones are available
11:57<amacater_>Unless you really know what will change, mixing packages from testing and stable is a bad idea. Occasionally, from backports is a much bbetter idea.
11:57<bremner>icelupin7: what actual problem are you trying to solve?
11:57<bremner>it sounds like you need a venv
11:57<amacater_>icelupin7: Yes _exactly_ : you end up with a machine that mixes stable and testing and is not readily fixable
11:58<bremner>amacater_: if only it was table. they are mixing _oldstable_ and testing
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12:00<icelupin7>bremmer: upgraded using testing
12:01<amacater_>icelupin7: What were you running originally - cat /etc/debian_version
12:01<Sqrt{Not}>icelupin7, make sure you have good backups. It sounds like you are thinking about making many programs unable even to start in your oldstable install.
12:02<icelupin7>i have
12:02<amacater_>If you were running buster - you might get away with upgrading to and installing bullseye - Debian 11 and then removing any packages from testing
12:06<liliFee>FAT32 instead of ext4 was needed in my case. I am done thks a lot! Nice evening to all
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12:23<icelupin7>i think something went wrong
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12:24<g00se>Getting quite confused with grub-set-default, /etc/default/graub and grub-reboot. The man pages are short. Goal: reboot the machine and have it boot with the second grub entry for one time only. What I did was sudo grub-set-default 1 and then reboot. This had no effect other than to boot using the default entry. What should I have done?
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12:27<EmleyMoor>Ah, found a fix for docker
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12:29<esselfe>Are there container options for i686? Like would lxc or docker work?
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12:31<DPA>I would like to use TerminusBold 32x16 in fbcon. My main problem is, it's loaded too late. Is there a way to add it to the initramfs? I have some interactive stuff in there, and the default font size is too small.
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12:39<EmleyMoor>Still a long way to go but some progress made
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12:57<EmleyMoor>OK - I now have something I need, working through Docker. Do Docker containers automatically run again on boot or do I need to take action to make it so?
12:58<sussudio>reboot and find out.
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12:59<EmleyMoor>sussudio: It can wait until next needed
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13:07<Urk>Would anyone know how to get in contact with the developers of Redshift? The program quit working this morning. I tried uninstalling, reinstalling, rebooting, and this is the error message I receive
13:07<Urk>I don't see any contact info for the developers of the program. The Dell XPS 15 7590 has a hideous amount of blue light, and it hurts my eyes.
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13:09<jmcnaught>Urk: have you tried without sudo? What was the reason for using sudo?
13:09<Urk>I think the color temperature is 6500k without Redshift. Even with Redshift the lowest I could get the temperature was still 4500, and it wasn't a blend of colors so the hue was a bit distorted. Additionally the program doesn't always drop the color to 4500, and many times it only goes as low as 5400-5700k. Still too much blue light. I noticed Samsung has added a color shifter on its S21 so apparently manufacturers are resorting to a cheap
13:09<Urk>engineering method of increasing brightness by giving you more blue light. It really stinks.
13:10<Urk>jmnaught: I just ran redshift without redshift, and geoclue2 found the location, but still hasn't initiated the program. It gave me 37.45 N, 122.18 W
13:10<Urk>What does that mean?
13:12<jmcnaught>Urk: I have not used redshift in a long time because the same feature is built into GNOME, but you should not be using 'sudo' with redshift
13:12<Urk>I tried it without sudo and it still didn't work. Maybe I should consider trying GNOME until someone in Debian adapts Gammy.
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13:13<jmcnaught>Urk: did you previous use a config file? have you tried redshift-gtk?
13:14<Urk>I have not tried redshift-gtk
13:14<sparky4>i am having issues with nvidia propietary driver and it start up on x11
13:14<jmcnaught>Urk: (without sudo of course)
13:16<Urk>I installed redshift-gtk and so far the program still isn't working. What is the difference between redshift and redshift-gtk
13:17<jmcnaught>Urk: one is a GUi for the other
13:18<Urk>So do they both need to be installed? Previously I was running redshift at the command line with no problem, and it autostarted when I logged in. This morning it quit.
13:18<Urk>Do I really need the gui?
13:18<Urk>Before it was just resident in the bottom menu bar.
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13:19<Urk>Something is interfering with its ability to start. Not even sure who to report the problem to since there is no developer info listed.
13:19<jmcnaught>Urk: by default redshift only changes the screen colour in night time, which is why it wants to know your location.
13:19<jmcnaught>Urk: I am assuming you have configured it wrong, and that the GUI might help you reconfigure it to change the screen colour all the time instead of just at night time.
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13:20<Urk>jmcnaught: How do I force a change in daytime? And for the record, I was able to get it to work in the day, and night, but the auto program used a different color sequence for both.
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13:22<jmcnaught>Urk: can you make a paste of your ~/.config/redshift.conf file?
13:23<jmcnaught>Urk: or perhaps just consult "man redshift" which documents "temp-day" and "temp-night" for redshift.conf
13:24<Urk>ok. Thanks
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13:29<Sqrt{Not}>sparky4, can you tell us more details about your problem?
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14:06<icelupin7>lupinishost@lupininshost:~$ cat /etc/debian_version
14:07<icelupin7>got this output after upgrading
14:08<icelupin7>am i good?
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14:14<Urk>jmcnaught: May I ask what the lowest color temperature is that you can achieve with the gnome desktop?
14:16<jmcnaught>Urk: it's just a slider, no number
14:17<Urk>Hmm: Does it only give you red? Or a full spectrum? I like to see more yellows so that I can bring the color temperature down to 3000 which is considered the highest you want to go without damaging your eyes.
14:18<icelupin7>bremmer: please have a look and let me know
14:18<icelupin7><Sqrt{Not}> ?
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14:19<dpkg>[Testing-Unstable Mix] echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/20-tum.conf , then edit sources.list, copy your primary testing line and change the copy to unstable, then 'apt update'. Use 'apt -t unstable install foo' to install foo from unstable rather than testing. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution.
14:19<Sqrt{Not}>icelupin7, you are running now that testing & unstable mix, not anymore debian stable.
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14:19<Sqrt{Not}>icelupin7, you should ask in channel #debian-next if you have problems.
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14:20<icelupin7>bookworm is unstable?
14:21<azeem>bookworm is testing
14:21<coc0nut>backports works allright doesnt it ? :)
14:22<Sqrt{Not}>icelupin7, "sid" is unstable
14:22<icelupin7>how do i downgrade to stable
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14:23<Sqrt{Not}>icelupin7, re-install stable from scratch, or revert to your backups.
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14:23<Urk>I like controls that actually tell you the color temperature you are using. The man page for Redshift reveals it has more options than what I was aware of so I am trying to read through it.
14:23<dselect>Downgrading is not, nor will ever be supported by apt. Programs change their data in a way that can't be rolled back, and package maintainer scripts support upgrades to new config file formats but not downgrades. Try: "dpkg -i olderversion.deb" or "aptitude install package=version" using "apt-cache policy package" to get the old version number. See also <partial downgrade>, <unstable->testing>, <sdo>.
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14:25<sussudio>debian.log.20211231:[19:20:19] <sussudio> don't let icelupin7 become a repeat of buster_broken...
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14:26<Sqrt{Not}>Urk, can you give a source for the claim that >3000 kelvin is damaging to the eyes?
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14:27<coc0nut>it makes youre eyes exhausted :P
14:28<Urk>Sqrt{Not}: There are almost countless citations on eye damage from blue light. The first one at the top of Google search was, but there are citations from the American Medical Association, and many others. The problem with Redshift is that it doesn't give you enough control over the spectrum, and only seeks to add red instead of other colors which can
14:28<Urk>also reduce blue light.
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14:29<sussudio>blue light reduction software/glasses are marketing bullshit.
14:29<Urk>It does more than make your eyes exhausted. It causes both eye and brain damage. Studies show that there is damage even if your eyes are completely closed off, and blinded with something black over them. Its a well studied area of medicine, and there really should be law against selling LEDs without correction if the temperature is over 3,000
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14:30<sussudio>"studies show". go away.
14:30<Urk>Both cell phone makers and laptop makers have resorted to a cheaper form of engineering to bump up the brightness, but you can definitely bump it up without adding a lot of blue light.
14:30<Sqrt{Not}>Urk, you better pass a law against the sun too
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14:31<Sqrt{Not}>anyway, this is not on topic here, sorry for adding to the noise
14:31<coc0nut>wireless routers beams splits your cells into atoms aswell :p
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14:32<Urk>jmcnaught: Get error message No such file or directory when running ~/.config/redshift.conf
14:33<sussudio>ah right. Urk was banned from here and the other network for trolling, back in september.
14:33<jmcnaught>Urk: why are you trying to run a config file?
14:34<coc0nut>try cd ~/.config | ./redshift.conf :D
14:34<Urk>jmcnaught: Earlier today you indicated I should run ~/.config/redshift.conf and post it to a pastebin.
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14:34<jmcnaught>Urk: asking you to make a paste of something is not the same as telling you to run it.
14:35<jmcnaught>Urk: read "man redshift" some more. There is a -c option to specify a config file, but it will look for ~/.config/redshift.conf by default.
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14:35<Urk>jmcnaught: I am still reading the man page. Haven't had a chance to finish it.
14:35<coc0nut>running conf files insttead of editing them as textfiles sounds cool tho...
14:37<jmcnaught>Urk: you just open the file in a text editor and copy/paste to the paste site, or "nc 9999 < ~/.config/redshift.conf" to use termbin from the command line
14:38<Urk>jmcnaught: Thanks. I didn't know you wanted it in Termbin.
14:39<jmcnaught>Urk: I do not care which pastebin you use, I just want to see the file…
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14:41<sussudio>jmcnaught: you keep trying to help that which doesn't want to be helped...
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14:42<jmcnaught>sussudio: just say the word
14:42<Urk>This is the error I receive when running redshift-gtk
14:44<Urk>sussudio: You strike me as someone who has hidden talents. You could have played the wicked witch of the west without memorizing any script!
14:44<Urk>In the Wizard of Oz.
14:44<azeem>Urk: please keep it on topic
14:45<sussudio>debian.log.20210923:[21:41:44] <*arnold> I'm inclined to just +q Urk!*@* and move on. other folks need help too, and most of them will read what we write
14:45<sussudio>edited to prevent a highlight.
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15:08<kf4ldp>I have installed KDE on Debian Bullseye, on a Samsung Galaxy Chromebook. Main GUI is ChromeOS. How do I start the KDE GUI from Terminal?
15:10<kf4ldp>Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
15:11<notjohannes>isnt it something like "startkde"?
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15:11<notjohannes>sorry i use xfce
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15:13<kf4ldp>notjohannes Ill try startkde
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15:15<kf4ldp>gratuxri Ill look there too. Thanks. This version of Linux was beta Buster when I got the Chromebook. I have updated to Bullseye, no boot option I know of to boot with Debian instead of ChromeOS
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15:22<kf4ldp>Thanks for the reply. Ill let ya know if that worked. Supposed to just reboot after install and the GUI is open on reboot. But Im not booting with Linux.
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15:41<kf4ldp>@notjohannes @gratuxti That worked. /usr/bin/startplasma-x11 launched with doubleclick within filemanager !
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15:51<maxzor>Hello, cannot boot anymore: "Failed to look up module alias 'autofs4': Function not implemented" --- ... --> "Failed to mount /boot/efi" Any clue?
15:52<maxzor>I'm asked to give root password for maintenance which is not my root usual pwd
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15:54<sussudio>how are you getting a password prompt when you say it doesn't boot anymore
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15:54<maxzor>it boots into maintenance mode*
15:54<sussudio>so, it boots...
15:55<maxzor>that's why I ask my question in debian and not linux
15:55<amacater_>Right: break it down. What version of Debian is this and on what hardware.
15:55<sussudio>are you running debian
15:55<amacater_>What changes have you made that have caused it to change recently
15:55<maxzor>I run debian testing bare metal on ryzen 1800x
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15:55<amacater_>What have you done to check logs etc.
15:56<sussudio>you didn't do something dumb like encrypt a partition that needs to be read during boot, right
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15:56<maxzor>I just booted ubuntu which is one of the triple boot here to diagnose
15:56<amacater_>[Strictly - testing should be on topic on debian-next but we'll help].
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15:56<maxzor>no encryption shenanigans
15:57<maxzor>I am using this install to package rocm, so I play with my gpu and compile
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15:58<sussudio>google says this is a systemd issue...
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15:59<maxzor>ah right duckduckgo had not picked that one up
15:59<maxzor>"it worked before"
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16:00<sussudio>so, what it says is that you put /boot on another partition and you have to add it to fstab?
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16:00<sussudio>i don't know why /boot would not be on the boot partition...
16:01<sussudio>or why grub wouldn't complain about that.
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16:04<maxzor>I might have an idea... ***
16:04<sychill>maxzor: i suggest avoiding DDG anyway →
16:04<bremner>FWIW I suggest avoiding
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16:05<sychill>i wrote that article.. techrights is just the publisher
16:06<maxzor>thank you for the link^
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16:08<tulpa>can't load that site
16:08<maxzor>I *might* have run a shell script that I wrote with a "sudo rm -r ./*" in Docker with /sys/modules bind-mounted, and that script failed and run that "rm" on /... I saw a lot of /dev/proc yelling at me... I thought that I would got away since in a docker environment...
16:08<maxzor>i cannot load it
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16:09<amacater_>Same here
16:09<amacater_>[techrights site]
16:09<maxzor>s/got away/get away with it/
16:10<amacater_>maxzor: reinstall of base OS, reinstall of docker then ... did something similar years ago and had to get round it by installing .debs by hand because I managed to stop the process.
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16:11<amacater_>Not recommended - but it's the sort of mistake you hopefully only make once. "I have learned from all my mistakes, with practice, I can now repeat them both faster and more reliably"
16:11<maxzor>I just had /sys/modules bind mounted, cannot I reinstall them easily? Otherwise I lost not too many hours of work with a clean reinstall
16:13<amacater_>maxzor: Probably not - that's almost certainly why your kernel is complaining ...
16:13<amacater_>At this point, a clean reinstall might be a good bet. Possibly using Debian 11 rather than testing?
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16:14<amacater_>- unless you've run testing for a while and know about security support
16:14<maxzor>I don't really know about security, skimmed other the page
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16:14<maxzor>thank you, reinstall it is
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16:15<maxzor>with testing, I like the idea of helping debug new packagese
16:15<amacater_>Essentially, testing has minimal security support - stuff gets fixed in unstable, percolates through testing - sometimes taking a while - whereas stable has full security support and is stable.
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16:17<amacater_>maxzor: You may be debugging new packages, but you are also subject to larger amounts of package churn and (possible) breakage - not so much as in unstable/sid but still more than just a little.
16:17<amacater_>Hence my advice to everyone to stick to stable unless they are prepared for breakage, esp. if they may also be new to Debian.
16:17<maxzor>Do people really not run testing/sid bare-metal?
16:18<amacater_>yes, they do - but they also know how to fix it when it breaks. If unstable breaks, you get to keep both pieces
16:18<maxzor>I thought I was almost ready :<
16:18<amacater_>It's certainly not unknown for people to keep two separate machines - one running testing and another running stable.
16:19<amacater_>You also have the problem - if you want to use third party repositories for, say, commercial software that vendors will build for stable but not for testing/unstable.
16:20<amacater_>And the last point, of course
16:20<dpkg>When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See and <reinstall>
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16:20<amacater_>if you really _must_ run more up to date stuff than stable - check debian-backports first
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16:22<amacater_>In your situation, you _might_ be able to boot testing install media in rescue mode and hand fix the problem - but that will take less time than a reinstall if you've not got precious data on the machine.
16:22<amacater_>more time than a reinstall
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16:24<maxzor>I really need llvm-13, but I am thinking now about running stable bare-metal, and packaging only in a testing/unstable docker image
16:26<dpkg>Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
16:28<amacater_>maxzor: I find that kvm and virt-manager work very nicely for me: real VMs. Docker (unless from the official Debian repos) is another level of indirection
16:28<amacater_>It does depend very much on _what_ you want to package and _what_ you want to do in the end.
16:29<maxzor>amacater_, I started with a virtualbox testing, but since I need gpu passthrough... preferred a lighter isolation which was easier to setup for me
16:29<amacater_>There are lots of solutions :)
16:29<another>As my OS prof once said: Most problem in IT are solved by making it bigger or using more indirection.
16:30<Urk>jmcnaught: Here is the configuration file. I changed the location to match the sample since the default found by geoclue2 wasn't working, but will try the default once again
16:30<amacater_>First rule of program optimisation: do it when appropriate. Second rule: Don't do it yet :)
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16:30<maxzor>Did you have Butler Lampson as prof
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17:15<Urk>Can someone enlighten me as to why I get an error message indicating adduser: command not found?
17:15<Urk>After getting this message, I attempted to fix the problem by adding the export file recommended here but it didn't work, and I still get the same error message.
17:19<spawacz>Urk: It's inside /sbin so probably not in your PATH
17:20<spawacz>you probably want to invoke sudo useradd
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17:20<amacater_>If you don't use sudo, remember su -
17:21<amacater_>the - is important to get the right profile etc.
17:22<Urk>spawacz: So how do I get it into my path?
17:23<Urk>Should I remove the line I added to my ~/.bashrc that was recommended at
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17:24<spawacz>yes I would remove it. You normally dont have rights to invike anything in /sbin
17:24<spawacz>using "sudo" searches this directory and has the rights to use them
17:25<Urk>spawacz: I am in root
17:25<spawacz>you are the root user?
17:25<spawacz>then you can explicitly invoke /sbin/useradd (or /sbin/adduser)
17:26<spawacz>by the way, how did you become root and not have /sbin in PATH?
17:27<spawacz>did you invoke "su", "su -", or logged via tty?
17:27<Urk>spawacz: Now I get the following error
17:27<Urk>I invoked root by using the su command, and then entering my password associated with my root command.
17:28<Urk>I don't know why /sbin isn't in the path. I am using latest iteration of Debian 10.
17:29<spawacz>same output here, i dont use adduser
17:30<spawacz>useradd is more friendly ;p
17:30<spawacz>(add on the end)
17:30<spawacz>useradd -m alice -s /bin/bash
17:30<spawacz>read manual "man useradd"
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17:31<amacater_>Urk - su - ...
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17:31<Urk>amacater: thanks for reminding me.
17:31<spawacz>yes, you should use su -
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17:32<spawacz>this adduser script is not working for me aswell so you are not alone
17:32<amacater_>Also - you might want to consider moving up to Debian 11 Bullseye :)
17:32<amacater_>adduser should work fine that's called for adding users in the isntaller :)
17:33<amacater_>adduser foo will add a user called foo
17:34<amacater_>and then prompt you for that users information
17:34<amacater_>man adduser
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17:34<amacater_>spawacz: useradd is used very much by Red Hat and derivatives
17:36<Urk>The su - command fixed the problem, and everything works fine. New user was created. I keep forgetting about the minus sin after the adduser command.
17:37<somiaj>the adduser command doesn't take just a - after it
17:37<Urk>Is there a way to see that user's folder in my own account, but him/her not see mine?
17:38<somiaj>su - is shorthand for su --login, which runs a full login shell.
17:39<somiaj>Urk: there are multiple ways depending on how you configure your permissions.
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17:39<somiaj>By default debian makes /home/username 755, which allows everyone to peak into each others $HOME.
17:39<somiaj>so really you shoudlnt' need to do anything and maybe use 750 on your own home directory
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17:41<Urk>somiaj: I do not want the new user to peak into my own directory.
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17:41<somiaj>which I described how to do, read up on linux permissions, set the permissions appropertly
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17:58<alexrelis>Urk: Set your home directory to 750 and the new user won't be able to peak into your own directory unless you add them to your user group.
17:58<alexrelis>I personally think the default should be 750.
17:59<alexrelis>Check this out:
17:59<alexrelis>Just be careful with it.
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20:58<truth>Where can I find an explanation for why a certain application wasn't packaged for a certain distribution?
20:59<raven523>do you mean linux distributions in general, or do you mean distributions of debian?
21:02<alexrelis>truth: Often because no maintainer decided to take up the challenge of packaging the program for the respective distro.
21:03<truth>raven523, I mean for Debian's unstable distribution.
21:04<alexrelis>Always encourage the developer to package their software as a flatpak or AppImage so that it works on any major distro fine and then focus on other distributions to prevent fragmentation.
21:04<raven523>you might be able to find discussions on the demian developer mailing lists about why a package is or isn't packaged
21:08<somiaj>In debian it is often either someone has not volunteered to do the work to package the software for debian, or it just cannot be put into debian due to license or policy reasons.
21:08<somiaj>If a package isn't in debian, one thing you can do is search for wnpp bugs with 'RFP' in their name (request for package), and see if anyone has filed a bug to try to get the application in debian
21:10<Sqrt{Not}>if the application was in debian, or in some release of debian, but not now in unstable, you probably can find some info at the debian tracker.
21:10<dselect>The Debian package tracker can be found at (or go directly to and has loads of information about a given package, including: available versions, security alerts, bugs, maintainer info, upload history, and upstream info. Take a look!
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21:13<truth>I should have asked... Where can I find an explanation for why a certain application wasn't packaged for a certain architecture (of a certain Debian distribution)?
21:14<somiaj>you could also just ask directly about the package you are interested in.
21:14<somiaj>You can check changelogs for any chages to the package, you can check build logs (from the tracker) to see any build logs for the arch.
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21:15<truth><package> says a cross build dependency was unstatisfied.
21:15<truth>libfp16-dev is missing.
21:17<truth> says libfp16-dev was only built for the amd64 architecture.
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21:21<somiaj>look through the changelog, maybe you'll find some info.
21:22<somiaj> I see it build for other aches
21:23<somiaj>all is not present in the architecture list set by the maintainer -- so maybe somewhere in the changelog you can find info about the mainters choice of which arches to build for
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21:25<truth>somiaj, Thanks
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21:59<Urk>jmcnaught: The following is the config file for redshift
21:59<Urk>I get an error when running it, and it says malformed argument
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22:12<Urk>Incidentally I just # out all of the lines in the configuration file, and the program started working again, but there would be benefit to using a configuration file since I can more finely control color temperature. Redshift started working again, but a config file has a lot of advantage because it allows you to more finely control the color temperature.
22:12<Urk>Not sure why my config file is malformed, but need to figured it out. I # out all of the lines so that the auto feature restarted. Its better than nothing, but still needs improvement.
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22:19<jmcnaught>Urk: it probably didn't like the N and W in lat= and lon=
22:19<Urk>ok. I will remove them.
22:20<jmcnaught>Urk: from redshift man page: "Your current location, in degrees, given as floating point numbers, towards north and east, with negative numbers representing south and west, respectively."
22:21<Urk>jmcnaught: Not sure what you are focusing on.
22:22<jmcnaught>Urk: the part about '-l LAT:LON' in 'man redshift'
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22:22<Urk>So does that mean I leave the N and W? Or put something else in there?
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22:24<jmcnaught>Urk: I just quoted the part you need from the man page. Use negative numbers to represent south or west.
22:25<Urk>Another disturbing thing that has happened is my system is no longer prompting me to go root before letting me use vim to edit things. This laptop has been a haunting experience where things break more than in the past. Not sure what is going on, but don't think I did anything that should have caused this.
22:25<Urk>jmcnaught: So does that mean I replicate the lat and lon, but put one set in negative?
22:26<jmcnaught>Urk: yes, and remove the 'N' and 'W'
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22:26<Urk>jmcnaught ok, thanks for the clarification.
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22:31<Urk>jmcnaught: This is my new configuration file, but I still get the malformed error
22:31<Urk>jmcnaught: I am going to reboot. Back in a few.
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22:35<blast007>Urk: missing the p in temp-day, the t in temp-night, adjustment-method-randr should be adjustment-method=randr, and lat/lon are listed twice
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22:37<Urk>Where does the p go in temp-night=3600 ??
22:37<blast007>read what I said again.
22:38<jmcnaught>Urk: you introduced all the new mistakes mentioned above, why not go back to the version from your earlier paste?
22:38<jmcnaught>Urk: that version just needs you to remove the N on the lat= line, and the W on the lon= line (while changing it to a negative number).
22:39<jmcnaught>Urk: only edit the last two lines
22:39<Urk>jmcnaught: Should i have both a positive and negative number on the last two lines?
22:40<jmcnaught>Urk: like this:
22:41<Urk>I guess I am a bit confused on how to invoke the program to work both day and night.
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22:44<Urk>jmcnaught: I ran the configuration file you suggested, and still get the malformed argument error.
22:44<Urk>This is my revised file
22:45<blast007>As for the redshift-gtk mentioned earlier, if you're using Gnome you may need to add a tray icons extension in order to see it. I don't know if a stock Debian 11 comes with such an extension installed.
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22:48<Urk>I just put a #sign in front of [redshift] and now I get an error that says Malformed assignment in config file instead of Malformed argument.
22:50<Sqrt{Not}>Urk, the world of pro-video and pro-lighting solved this problem years ago, with color correction gel. Look at
22:50<jmcnaught>Urk: what command are you using to start redshift?
22:51<Urk>jmcnaught: redshift
22:51<Sqrt{Not}>(converts 6500K to 3200K)
22:51<Urk>Sqrt{Not}: I am familiar with filter, but wonder how that applies to software? Is there a software filter?
22:52<Sqrt{Not}>just buy a sheet of Lee204, and tape it over your monitor
22:54<Urk>Sqrt{Not}: I am inclined to do that with my bicycle headlight, but not sure I want to do it with my laptop computer. Redshit is a good option until the Debian folks get someone to adapt gammy. Gammy is up for adaption, and is the best tool todate that I found.
22:54<Urk>It originally started in Windows, but was picked up by boh Fedora and Arch.
22:55<blast007>Urk: the problem is the extra space at the end of the lat/lon lines
22:56<Urk>I get an error message that I failed to properly set manual option. I suspect there is something wrong with the geoloc, and it can't find the exact coordinates.
22:56<Urk>blast007: I do not see any extra space, but that probably because I am not smoking the same stuff you smoke!
22:57<Urk>The only space that I see is what is between your ears.
22:57<blast007>so you don't want help then. okay.
22:58<Urk>blast007: It would be more meaningful if you put the suggested code into a pastebin because I don't see what you are talking about.
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23:10<Urk>How do I shut off sct?
23:11<Urk>I put sct on, and now observe that there is a syngertic effect of the red effect, and it is too red with redshift. How do I shut off sct?
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23:29<charpent>I need help after an upgrade of Debian testing (bookworm). Is that the right channel ?
23:30<dpkg>#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (, *not* on If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on See also and
23:31<urk>Well some type of corruption is going on, and I suspect I selected something I shouldn't. I ended up booting into LXDE which wasn't the plan, but at the command line I get this error box that says "Failed to execute child", and below that failed to execute child process (No such file or directory), and below that is a red circle with a minus since, and a prompt to close window. Additionally at the top of the screen is part of the LXDE interface even
23:31<urk>though I am in XFCE. How do I diagnose and fix this? I can't pull up the command line within the desktop.
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23:55<urk>Looks like I got a real mess on my hands, and most things are not working. My window manager is gone. Any thoughts on where to start? should I try to run dmsg at bootup, and see if I can gleem something before going to the desktop interface?
23:56<urk>There are no minimize buttons on any of the program icons on my desktop.
23:57<urk>Its almost if the profile from one desktop got mixed up with XFCE. At bootup the startup menu was for LXDE, and the 2nd time I rebooted I selected XFCE, and this is whats left of it.
23:58<urk>I can't pull up oftc on my cell phone, but can pull up
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