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01:25<FLD>aw man, firefox-esr on a 10 year old laptop with 4G of memory is just miserable.. keeps constantly freezing the whole plasma-desktop, so that i have to SSH and kill it remotely
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01:27<FLD>wonder if the default desktop environment would fare better. isn't it Wayland based these days?
01:30<jmcnaught>FLD: maybe try zram compressed swap with zram-tools package.
01:32<FLD>there's plenty of free swap left though
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01:34<Jaideep>Hello
01:34<jmcnaught>FLD: but swap is being used?
01:35<FLD>a fraction of it yeah
01:36<jmcnaught>FLD: what is probably happening is your computer runs out of RAM, starts swapping to disk which is very slow. If you compress some of your RAM and use it as swap, you will have more usable memory before swapping to disk is necessary, at the cost of CPU usage for compression.
01:38<Jaideep>I have made an debian based os , how can we add users and set an default id password
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01:44<FLD>jmcnaught: oh i thought first you were talking about compressing swap
01:44<jm_>adduser command
01:44<Jaideep>Ok thanks
01:44<FLD>compressing the ram definitely sounds worth a shot
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01:50<alexrelis>FLD: Set Firefox to use 1 content process and it should be better. Might want to also consider using a window manager like OpenBox and tint2 or i3 instead of a full-fledged desktop environment. Or you may want to consider upgrading your memory.
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02:12<linluppy>hello
02:12<linluppy>i have installed python 3.10
02:13<Pddy>congrats
02:13<linluppy>using this guide
02:13<linluppy>https://computingforgeeks.com/how-to-install-python-on-debian-linux/
02:13<linluppy>how do i change this to be default python3 used by debian
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02:17<schubisu>linluppy: you do that with update-alternatives if I remember correctly
02:17<schubisu>e.g. `update-alternatives --list python` and `update-alternatives --set python`
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02:19<linluppy>ah ok
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03:03*skraito https://github.com/dodocrypto/ubuntu.hardening.script good luck coding it
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03:06*skraito https://github.com/dodocrypto/ good luck to test it
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03:36*skraito https://github.com/dodocrypto/ good luck to test it
03:37<linluppy>recently upgraded to stable
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03:37<linluppy>am using xfce and there some black bars around every windown
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03:38<linluppy>has anyone ecountered this?
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03:40<skraito>nah not me
03:40<skraito>ask debian
03:41*skraito https://github.com/dodocrypto/ good luck linuxer
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03:49<linluppy>??
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03:57<Guest10206>hallo
03:58*skraito is me skraito guys this is my profile https://immanuelyp.wordpress.com/immanuel-yohanes-patra-united-nations-profile/
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03:59<skraito>hey guest
03:59<skraito>:)
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04:04*skraito https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10 THIS IS THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS 10 , REINSTALL ALL , IF YOU GOT HACK NOT OUR PROBLEM, PAY GOVERNOR ... .
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04:06*skraito brb restarting
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04:15*skraito https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10 THIS IS THE ORIGINAL WINDOWS 10 , REINSTALL ALL , IF YOU GOT HACK NOT OUR PROBLEM, PAY GOVERNOR ... .
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04:36<cpaelzer>bzed: Hi, are you already back for 2022 and have some time for the open-vm-tools 11.3.5 PR that I have opened?
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04:55<else>https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi thanks debian
04:56<else>well thanks for all the documentation
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05:04<else>https://wiki.debian.org/WiFi a lot of sad faces here
05:06<Pddy>else: get an account and make it smile :P
05:06<amacater_>else: Very few free chipsets - which is why I'm now advising people to use the unofficial non-free installer because it does include as much firmware as we have
05:07<amacater_>Fedora has a slightly different attitude to firmware: it's interesting that Debian feels free to package a couple of things Fedora won't and vice versa
05:07<else>i dont know what that means pddy
05:07<Pddy>lets forget about it then
05:07<else>perfect
05:09<else>i like the debian approach even if it causes complications at times like wifi
05:09<else>never used fedora
05:10<amacater_>It's only that I had a quick check on Fedora's policy the other day.
05:11<else>i know nothing about what fedora does vs debian
05:11<amacater_>They're (mostly) happier to distribute firmware that can be distributed whether FLOSS or not - which is why it might sometimes seem that Debian has problems that other distributions don't
05:11<mrwick>I have this one and it works, with package firmware-iwlwifi (also have firmware-linux-free)
05:11<mrwick>https://linux-hardware.org/index.php?id=pci:8086-06f0-8086-0074
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05:12<amacater_>Yes, thankfully iwlwifi is well supported
05:12<else>good point cause i like most other debian users just installed iwlwifi
05:13<else>i like the principled approach though
05:14<else>non-free should remain separate , like another thing one must do if one wants to use it
05:14<amacater_>There are discussions around changing the policy on firmware for the installer just because it's almost impossible to install Debian on modern hardware without firmware, sometimes now for sound cards, even
05:14<amacater_>Whatever happens, it will need a debian General Resolution [GR]
05:15<else>seems unlikely foss alternatives will be available soon
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05:16<amacater_>It's somewhat hard to build fully foss alternatives - but maybe with risc-v :)
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05:17<else>i don't know what that is
05:18<else>i just looked it up but still know nothing
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05:20<else>how do i install debian on an old ipad
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05:20<earendel>is there an generalization abstract layer like directx for linux/debian?
05:20<else>i have no idea
05:20<earendel>like opengl.. for graphics.
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05:22<else>risc-v sounds awesome according to wikipedia
05:22<else>im glad better minds can figure all this out
05:25<else>i realize this is not the place to ask , but i am new to irc what commands should i know or learn
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05:28<amacater_>else: How to register and join channels, how to switch servers - though that's mostly irrelevant now if channels are paired up on OFTC and libera.
05:28*amacater_ says hi
05:28<amacater_>is done by typing /me [whatever]
05:28<amacater_>but yes, this is not the place
05:28<else>ok this seems to behave like a command line in a way like /whatever does some things
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05:29*else things
05:29<amacater_>On this channel: /query dpkg will tell you what the dpkg bot knows about, I think
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05:29<else>i was just reading about the freenode librera separation
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05:50<else>well im slow and that took a minute
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06:35<notjohannes>hello! Anyone have experience setting up mozc for ibus? cant seem to get it to work properly
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06:42<grove>Using `ffprobe` and perl (just to extract that value from all the other things `ffprobe` tells me) I can get the duration of a single movie file, and with a simple loop I can get the duration of every file in a directory, is there an easy way to add those up? (I can imagine usecases where it's a `find` that gives the files of interest rather than it being all files in a directory, so if ...
06:42<grove>... possible, try to avoid solutions that deviate too much).
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06:46<bremner>grove: probably there is an awk/perl one-liner, but num-sum from num-utils might be less fuss
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06:58<grove>bremner: I have no problem writing a bit of perl to add the numbers, but they are in <hours>:<minutes>:<seconds-with-decimal-point> format, so it was something that could understand that (and produce a new string in the same (or a similar) format I was after. I can't see how I can tell numsum that the input are times
06:58<bremner>oic, I misunderstood the problem
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07:56<amacater_>Testing whether dpkg is working
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07:56<dpkg>Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare http://futurist.se/gldt/). #debian only supports Debian and pure <blend>s; please respect our choice to volunteer here to help Debian users. Support for other distributions is off-topic on #debian, even if your own distro's channel is clueless or non-existent.
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08:59<lek_>hi
09:00<lek_>normally i boot into lxde, now i get i3(with error}
09:01<lek_>what can i do to restore?
09:03<sussudio>!ask
09:03<dpkg>If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ See <smart questions><errors>.
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09:09<lek_>I have a problem with windowmanager lxde at startup; I'm running raspberrypios; When I boot iget i3 with an error, expect to aomaticly get lxde
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09:13<bremner>!raspberrypios
09:13<sussudio>!raspbian
09:13<dpkg>Raspberry Pi OS (previously called Raspbian) is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian (or #raspberrypi) on irc.libera.chat for support. https://www.raspbian.org/
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09:15<lek_>dpkg; thanks
09:15<dpkg>no worries, lek_
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09:50<josh>hello good people
09:50<petn-randall>hi josh
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09:50<josh>i need help finding a win exe file for a play on linux install
09:50<josh>its ff14
09:51<josh>just wondering if some one could help me find it
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09:55<josh>whats a screen shot program for linux i can use
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09:55<josh>just wondering
09:55<josh>i just tryed to install shutter but its obselete
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09:56<bremner>this doesn't sound like a debian support question
09:56<josh>sorry
09:57<josh>i tryed to get into debian gaming but i need a registered nick for that
09:57<bremner>I don't personally know what play on linux is, but I guess they have some support mechanism?
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09:57<josh>so i don't know where else to ask
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09:57<bremner>oh, it's a wine thing?
10:00<schubisu>josh: as far as I remember, playonlinux will get you some good wine settings to play Windows games on linux. But you will still have to have the original game to install and play it
10:00<josh>yea
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10:00<josh>i know
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10:01<josh>i was hoping to download finalfantasy14online
10:01<josh>i cant find the download
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10:02<schubisu>ah I see. But I'm not sure if you're supposed to download that via PoL; if it's an online game, can't you download the installer from their website?
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10:02<petn-randall>josh: https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/product/
10:02<josh>no
10:02<josh>i think they hid it cuz of server conjegestion
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10:05<schubisu>hm, seems that's the case for the free trial version; I don't think they will hide the download once you have bought the game
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10:19<pavlushka>how can I disable the must have dm option (I uninstall lightdm, the system installs gddm< I uninstall gddm then it installs back lightdm)
10:20<GyrosGeier>apt rdepends lightdm
10:20<GyrosGeier>that shows you what is pulling in a display manager
10:21<GyrosGeier>likely, one of the desktop metapackages
10:21<GyrosGeier>if you have aptitude, go to the lightdm line and press r to get the rdepends as a browseable list
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10:29<pavlushka>GyrosGeier: https://dpaste.com/7UUSEKZTM
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10:34<pavlushka>GyrosGeier: and https://dpaste.com/C6KYUFYXZ
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10:35<GyrosGeier>yes
10:35<GyrosGeier>one of these packages is likely installed
10:36<GyrosGeier>and removing it would cause an avalanche of other removals, so that solution has a worse score than the solution where another display manager gets installed
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10:39<blast007>pavlushka: what is it you are trying to accomplish?
10:39<pavlushka>GyrosGeier: it wasn't like always, I was able to configure few systems dm less but now it seems that the dependencies has change
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10:41<pavlushka>blast007: reducing system load, also ditching dm also resolves systemd long sleep bug where it never returns from sleep anymore
10:41<pavlushka>if it's put to sleep for too long
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10:44<blast007>'aptitude why gdm3' or 'aptitude why lightdm' could tell you what installed package(s) are triggering the install of either
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11:00<pavlushka>but why a "must have dm for DE" limitation? it wasn't like this
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11:03<blast007>because you installed a package that depends on one
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11:04<pavlushka>blast007: I was able to configure mate or cinnamon without a dm in the past, just removed lightdm with no hassle
11:05<blast007>neat
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13:00<spawacz>How can i ask my pc to tell me which sata slot corresponds to which /dev/sd*?
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13:02<bremner>ls -l /dev/disk/by-path
13:02<bremner>for example
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13:03<chrisgt>spawacz: ls -l /dev/disk/by-path/
13:03<chrisgt>if you can relate those to a physical port. oops bremner beat me by a second
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13:12<armin>spawacz: your bios might still throw those around i believe.
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13:15<bremner>spawacz: probably a better approach is to use UUIDs if possible
13:15<spawacz>yeah these are not valid numbers
13:15<spawacz>yeah im using uuids, but i wanted to unplug disks expcet for one
13:15<spawacz>to test something
13:15<spawacz>so i thought i will ask linux to tell me which slot is the disk i should leave plugged ;p
13:16<spawacz>anyways i sovled the problem with a flashlight
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13:53<SonicR>I am having trouble with LightDM trying to set autologin. Can anyone have a look at the output?
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13:58<SonicR>Here: https://paste.debian.net/1225835/
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14:01<Sqrt{Not}>SonicR, that's the same thing you posted before. It is not finding any executable file name "Xephyr" in your $PATH
14:01<Sqrt{Not}>(I guess, in root's $PATH)
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14:04<jm1|afk>ssudio: sorry for away msgs, I am trying to get rid of them in konversation
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14:10<SonicR>Sqrt{Not}: and what is your suggestion ?
14:10<Sqrt{Not}>SonicR, do you have a file named Xephyr somewhere?
14:14<SonicR>Sqrt{Not}: no
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14:14<sussudio>,file Xephyr
14:15<judd>Search for Xephyr in bullseye/amd64: xserver-xephyr: usr/bin/Xephyr; torbrowser-launcher: usr/share/doc/torbrowser-launcher/examples/tbb-in-xephyr
14:15<jmcnaught>SonicR: is X already running? Are you running "sudo lightdm --test-mode --debug" from inside a terminal emulator?
14:15<SonicR>jmcnaught: yes and yes
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14:18<jmcnaught>SonicR: is the goal to run lightdm in a nested X server?
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14:20<SonicR>jmcnaught: all i want is to activate autologin for my user
14:21<jmcnaught>SonicR: I would try stopping X completely and running "sudo lightdm --test-mode --debug" from a text tty login
14:21<jmcnaught>SonicR: I'm guessing that lightdm is actually still running in the background while you're doing this.
14:21<jmcnaught>"systemctl status lightdm"
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14:24<Sqrt{Not}>SonicR, also note the error message that autologin-user is an unknown option.
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14:33<Sqrt{Not}>SonicR, are you following some recipe for how to do the autologin? some instructions from a web page maybe?
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14:36<towo`>autologin-user is a valid option for lightdm
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14:38<Sqrt{Not}>for some reason it logs "unknown option autologin-user"
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14:39<towo`>i've seen that,
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14:45<SonicR>jmcnaught: https://paste.debian.net/1225849/
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14:46<SonicR>Sqrt{Not}: yes, https://wiki.debian.org/LightDM i edited the /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf. file
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14:58<pablo>hi, any Salsa Gitlab admin around? Any chance I can register a never used and blocked user name :)
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14:59<pablo>If I think a package should have a a recommends instead of a depends, what is best to open a bug or a Git PR?
15:00<bremner>pablo: always open a bug; optionally point to a PR
15:01<pablo>bremner: ok
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15:01<pablo>any recommendation wrt cloacking the email address in the bug tracker?
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15:06<Pddy>!mariadb
15:06<dpkg>MariaDB is a community-developed fork of <MySQL>, intended as backward compatible drop-in replacement. Packages are available for Debian 8 "Jessie" and later releases. https://mariadb.org/ #maria on irc.libera.chat.
15:07<bremner>pablo: nope, haven't tried to cloak an address for more than a decade. Doesn't your email have some filtering?
15:08<pablo>Yeah, it is fine
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15:08<pablo>good thing the bug is reported already, I now only need my salsa account :)
15:09<pablo>I guess I'll hang around and wait for an admin
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15:09<bremner>pablo: you can try #salsa, although you may have to be patient
15:09<pablo>cool, I'll try that channel, no rush, thx
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15:11<pablo>for posterity - bug I was referring to: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=869230
15:11<judd>Bug https://bugs.debian.org/869230 in gnome-shell (open): «gnome-shell: Recommend evolution-data-server and not depends»; severity: normal; opened: 2017-07-21; last modified: 2020-07-05.
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15:12<ghoul>hi! how would i restore a LVM snapshot that was made as backup before something like dist-upgrade? lvconvert --merge/rsync/dd/something better?
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15:16<buster_broken>ghoul should be "lvconvert --mergesnapshot"
15:16<buster_broken>but suggest a backup before ; dd if=/dev/vg/lv_snapshot of=my_backup_just_in_case.dd
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15:17<ghoul>thanks! seems to work as well was just unsure because the word "merge" sounds like it would combine with the changes in the original which i didnt want
15:19<buster_broken>yes ghoul 4 merge : --merge --mergemirrors --mergethin ; and the good one : --mergesnapshot
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15:29<Sqrt{Not}>SonicR, maybe you should pastebin your edited lightdm.conf file
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15:36<buster_broken>after buster=>bullseye, update-initramfs ... E: mkinitramfs failure cpio 2
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15:37<sarnold>buster_broken: look around a bit more for a more detailed error message
15:37<sarnold>I wouldn't be surprised if your /boot filesystem is full
15:37<sarnold>but if you've got more details sitting on screen or in the logs, it'll save some guessing :)
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15:40<buster_broken>log here (https://paste.debian.net/1225866)
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15:43<towo`>cpio: write error: No space left on device
15:44<buster_broken>yes but /boot is 346M free and video ... is 278G free which is enought for a initrd
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15:58<Sqrt{Not}>buster_broken, so which filesystem is giving that error? can you show full output of df
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16:00<buster_broken>df -h /boot : /dev/sda1 481M 114M 346M 25% /boot
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16:02<Sqrt{Not}>buster_broken, so maybe the problem is in one of the secret filesystems you don't show?
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16:05<buster_broken>full df here (paste.debian.net/1225869)
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16:11<sarnold>there's nothing obviously wrong there :( there's a few things that I'm not used to seeing: "df: /root/.cache/doc: Operation not permitted" and "usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-top/ORDER ignored: not executable"
16:11<sarnold>(etc)
16:12<mbianchi>buster_broken, two things that I know can result as no space messages, the true lacking of space and the fact the you run out of inodes on the device. You can check that you have enough inodes on device by doing 'df -i'. it should show the amount of free inodes available. Maybe you can check this.
16:12<sarnold>any chance you've got an antivirus on this system? those can inject some *very* strange errors in places
16:13<buster_broken>mbianchi thank you I didn't though of that !! ; i'll check ...
16:13<petn-randall>buster_broken: The path to your initramfs is /mnt/video/0/downloads/debian/initrd.img-5.10.0-10-amd64.new
16:14<petn-randall>buster_broken: So the `df -h` output for /boot is the wrong one to look at here.
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16:16<buster_broken>mbianchi ; inodes seems OK (https://paste.debian.net/1225871)
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16:19<buster_broken>petn-randall ; in fact I tried first using /boot and then using -b /mnt/video ... ; but that failed also exactly
16:20<buster_broken>by the way 'petn-randall' after removed LOT of packages ; upgrade was nearly perfect
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16:31<unkmar>when I run 'apt update' I get an GPG error. I've been trying to resolve this issue.
16:31<unkmar>GPG error: http://ppa.launcp.../graphics-drivers/ubuntu impish
16:32<unkmar>Yes, I know that at SOME point in the past I added a key. Probably using apt-key. I don't remember how, where. and I don't know how to remove said key.
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16:32<unkmar>My current setting of sources.list is plain debian. None of the extas. yet this key error keeps happening.
16:33<buster_broken>unkmar check your config gpg options have changed
16:33<unkmar>How
16:33<buster_broken>unkmar cf release note chapter 5.1.13
16:34<grove>!ubuntu
16:34<dpkg>Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on irc.libera.chat instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
16:35<unkmar>grove. that doesn't help me FIX. You want me to just wipe and reinstall? Cause that ain't happening.
16:35<sarnold>unkmar: look around /etc/apt/sources.list or /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ and remove the lines that reference that ppa
16:37<RoyK>unkmar: mixing repos like that isn't exactly wise ;)
16:38<RoyK>!ppa
16:38<dpkg>[ppa] Personal Package Archive (see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas or <launchpad>). PPAs are either: (a) an easy way to grab packages based on nightly-builds/VCS snapshots or (b) an easy way for any idiot to publish a package of extremely poor quality (remember, you will run the maintainer scripts as root during install!). Choose your repos wisely. No equivalent exists for Debian yet. Ask me about <why not use a ppa>.
16:39<gratuxri>why not use a ppa
16:39<gratuxri>why not use a ppa?
16:39<sarnold>they're pretty handy when they meet your needs well. using them comes with caveats though, and it's too easy to overlook the caveats
16:41<unkmar>sarnold: Thank you. A hiding place I didn't know. sources.list.d <---
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16:41<grove>!why not use a ppa
16:41<dpkg>PPAs (Ubuntu's Personal Package Archives, see <PPA>) are not built against Debian releases, they are built against Ubuntu releases. This makes using packages from them on a Debian box highly unlikely to work out well. Ask me about <ssb> <package recompile> <bobbitt>.
16:43<unkmar>Yeah, well. repeating yourself didn't fix my problem. And debian can be glacially slow. Sometimes Ubuntu has it and Debian don't. Sometimes you can get things to play nice.
16:43<grove>unkmar: No, I don't want you to wipe your system, I want ou to ask somewhere that might know about your problem
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16:44<unkmar>Well, apparently sarnold HERE did. My question wasn't about unbutu at all. It was strictly about removing whatever, however my package manager was looking for that key.
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16:44<unkmar>And NOW, I am prepared for future similar, yet not identical problems.
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16:45<buster_broken>unkmar apt-key list
16:46<unkmar>problem 1 resolved.
16:46<RoyK>unkmar: better use a container for such custom packages
16:46<RoyK>or a vm
16:46<unkmar>Problem 2. Where, how, why can't I get virtualbox ?
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16:46<RoyK>totally isolating it
16:46<unkmar>Hey RoyK, you just hit on problem 2. LOL
16:46<RoyK>unkmar: kvm/libvirt probably works better ;)
16:47<RoyK>oh
16:47<RoyK>is this a GPU driver?
16:47<RoyK>if so, that won't work
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16:48<unkmar>My current GPU situation is perfectly fine. Not my current issue.
16:48<unkmar>But, thanks for thinking ahead.
16:48<RoyK>what sort of software is this you're trying to install?
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16:49<unkmar>firstly, irrelavent. 1, considering a VM for a local webserver. Secondly, dabbling in OpenVPN configurations.
16:49<unkmar>So, both work fine in headless state.
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16:50<RoyK>you might want to consider wireguard instead of openvpn, though
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16:50<unkmar>Okay, thank you.
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16:51<Sqrt{Not}>buster_broken, I wonder if somehow while cpio is running, the combination of the uncompressed initrd contents plus the compressed output, together, are filling someplace above capacity? Can you run df on some kind of repeat while that cpio is happening, to see if you spot anything?
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16:51<RoyK>unkmar: blazingly fast and easier setup
16:52<unkmar>Not of that works until I get some sort of virtual machine. VirtualBox, Boch, QEMU, libvirt or whatever the current fad is.
16:52<RoyK>apt install virt-manager kvm
16:52<RoyK>that should get you started
16:52<RoyK>!virt-manager
16:52<dpkg>Virtual Machine Manager (virt-manager) is a desktop user interface for managing the linux Kernel Virtual Machine (KVM) as well as Xen VMs and LXC, with very similar functionality to <virtualbox>. https://wiki.debian.org/KVM https://virt-manager.org/ #virt on irc.oftc.net.
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16:53<buster_broken>Sqrt{Not} well that's not easy but I'll try
16:53<visualinfo>Can't login using login screen
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16:54<RoyK>it defaults to NATing those VMs, so if you want to reach them over the net, you might want a bridge setup. Quite simple to setup and after that, all VMs are "magically" connected to the same network as the host
16:54<visualinfo>At present when I boot the system it does not let me go past login using the login screen, it says:
16:54<visualinfo>xsession warning unable to write to /tmp
16:54<unkmar>buster_broken: usual easy way is 'watch df' Your milage may vary.
16:54<RoyK>visualinfo: is /tmp writable? is the disk full?
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16:55<visualinfo>yes disk full
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16:55<buster_broken>yep watch -n1 df-h
16:56<RoyK>visualinfo: then you'll need to do some cleaning up first. Press ctrl+alt+f1 to get a console and login from there, clean up and try again with the GUI
16:56<unkmar>visualinfo: boot with a live linux, USB or DVD, and clear some space.
16:56<RoyK>unkmar: easier to login to a console to do it from there IMHO ;)
16:56<unkmar>Agreed.
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16:56<visualinfo>seems I set the 250GB HD up wrong
16:57<RoyK>those things happen
16:57<RoyK>visualinfo: if you were to reinstall, then I'd suggest using LVM all the way and only allocate what you need. Then you can easily grow the filesystems later as you need it.
16:58<dodat>!hot
16:58<dpkg>i heard hot is #del#
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16:58<visualinfo>Yes looking at LVM as it seems the way to go
16:59<unkmar>Or at least setup a separate partition for /boot.
16:59<RoyK>unkmar: no need for that
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17:00<unkmar>I've never quite wrapped my head around LVM.
17:00<RoyK>I usually keep /boot on the rootfs, but use a separate lv/fs for /home and /var/log and perhaps whatever other thing that might grow
17:00<RoyK>unkmar: I've written some stuff here https://wiki.karlsbakk.net/index.php/Roy's_notes
17:02<visualinfo>thanks RoyK
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17:02<buster_broken><Sqrt{Not}> not easy ; done this watch -n 1 pstree -pal xxx ; but too fast ; have to add > file
17:02<sarnold>RoyK: oh, nice collection of notes
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17:03<visualinfo>can I reduce the large boot partition so I can log back into the system?
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17:04<RoyK>sarnold: I just needed a notebook to keep my thoughts and ideas and tricks and so on, so I thought, why not a wiki? ;)
17:05<buster_broken>unkmar you're right during work /var/tmp goes up to 100% !!
17:05<unkmar>I really hope QEMU is a lot better than it use to be.
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17:06<buster_broken>that LV is just 252M free
17:06<RoyK>unkmar: it's not QEMU that's doing the virtualisation if it's the same architecture
17:06<sarnold>RoyK: I've got a ~/.notes file that's over a thousand lines long.. it's no longer working great for me
17:06<RoyK>hehehe
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17:07<RoyK>sarnold: I used to have some notes files all over and at a point, I found it better to just move it to a wiki, just removing whatever shouldn't be in the public
17:08<RoyK>sarnold: it's rather nice to share that stuff too, others can even find some use for it :)
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17:10<visualinfo>Can I create LVM setup and reinstall from full backup of sda /
17:10<buster_broken>unkmar Sqrt{Not} petn-randall yep !! now I can build initrd thank you !! /var/tmp is used by cpio somehow
17:10<sarnold>RoyK: I've been meaning to try out https://obsidian.md/ and see if it works for me, but sharing with others..
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17:11<visualinfo>worried I may loose data but backed up / using rsync to external HD
17:12<Sqrt{Not}>buster_broken, OK, good job :) and thanks for letting us know what it was!
17:13<buster_broken>it seems OK ; initrd.img-4.19.0-18-amd64 and initrd.img-5.10.0-10-amd64 are now correct
17:14<buster_broken>System.map-5.10.0-10-amd64 is a bit strange
17:15<RoyK>sarnold: why not mediawiki? at least that's GPL
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17:16<unkmar>So... Where should I go for Virtual Machine Manager issues.
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17:17<buster_broken>apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-5.10.0-10-amd64 ; nope System.map-5.10.0-10-amd64 83 bytes ???
17:17<buster_broken>cat /boot/System.map-5.10.0-10-amd64
17:17<buster_broken>ffffffffffffffff B The real System.map is in the linux-image-<version>-dbg package
17:18<buster_broken>that's new ?!
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17:19<visualinfo_>So I have to start from scratch setup LVM then reinstall from backup
17:20<sarnold>RoyK: oh brutal :( I just assumed it was open source. sigh.
17:21<theteju>hey guys, I need help to boot my fresh install, I tried to install debian to new nvme ssd but my motherboard does not see the drive as bootable option
17:22<theteju>i guess, my only choice is to install grub somewhere else may be USB and point to load the system from ssd
17:22<sarnold>are you booting in uefi mode or is it set to boot "legacy" or "csm"?
17:22<theteju>booting in uefi mode
17:23<theteju>i have made /boot/efi (FAT32) 512MB and /boot (ext2) 4 GB separate partions,
17:24<unkmar>Alright I found something randomly online about how to use this KVM thing. I'm use to VirtualBox. This is all weird.
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17:27<buster_broken>aptitude install linux-image-amd64-dbg ; done
17:29<dvs>theteju: is the disk formatted in GPT format?
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17:29<buster_broken>I'll be back
17:29<theteju>https://pasteboard.co/UbCA5aK92l1W.png here is my partition scheme
17:29<theteju>YES it is GPT format
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17:31<dvs>theteju: does the EFI partition have the ESP flag set?
17:31<theteju>@dvs I think I do not have ESP flag set.
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17:33<theteju>I do not see the nvme ssd drive in my motherboad boot option under BIOS(may be becasue its an older system)
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17:40<buster_broken>I'm back ! uname -r
17:40<buster_broken>5.10.0-10-amd64 ; bullseye DONE
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17:45<Sqrt{Not}>theteju, if that is an older computer, you might want to look for a BIOS update from the manufacturer. You might want to look around in the BIOS options for settings, probably in another section of the BIOS menus than where you select what to boot
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17:53<Sqrt{Not}>buster_broken, (now you will have to change your nick ;))
17:55<buster_broken>Sqrt{Not} it depends, you helped me A LOT ; so this nickname be memorable ; but sure now I'm on bullseye fully !!
17:56<buster_broken>all parts of buster removed ... hibernate ...
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17:56<buster_broken>thank you guys !! I was really lost that time
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18:03<Sqrt{Not}>buster_broken, glad you got it all sorted :)
18:05<buster_broken>Sqrt{Not} oh yes !! but that was lot of work, backup/restore, removed lots of packages, lvresize, etc ...
18:05<buster_broken>not easy that one
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22:55<tyzef>hi my guys, how are you today \o/ ! I have a scenario... I ''mount /dev/sdx1 /home/user/mnt''... ''ls /home/user/mnt'' = ''/folder-fun''... ''ls -l /home/user/mnt'' = ''drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 25 déc. 18:32 folder-fun''......... now I want : ''drwxr-xr-x 2 user user 4096 25 déc. 18:32 folder-fun'' but ''chown /home/user/mnt/folder-fun'' is not working, terminal says /folder-fun is unknown
22:56<tyzef>i have found only this : https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/15384/how-to-chown-mounted-device
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23:01<Gombye>tyzef: What actual command are you running? If you want to change the owner and group of '/home/user/mnt/folder-fun' to 'user', then you would run 'chown user:user /home/user/mnt/folder-fun', not 'chown /home/user/mnt/folder-fun'.
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23:03<tyzef>oops, yes Gombye, that's what I did : 'chown user:user /home/user/mnt/folder-fun'
23:03<tyzef>as root
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23:04<tyzef>'/home/user/mnt/folder-fun' is actually '/dev/sdx1'
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23:05<tyzef>i mean it's a folder of '/dev/sda1'... and system is on '/dev/sdb'
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23:07<Gombye>tyzef: Do you mind pasting the exact error it give you? That might help diagnose the issue.
23:08<will0w>tyzef: you could use user_id= and group_id= options to mount it as your user instead of as root
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23:09<tyzef>Gombye, if you don't mind that i am french on a french system, then yes i don't mind to past it \o/
23:10<will0w>the uid and gid options depend on the type of filesystem. it can also be uid= and gid=
23:11<tyzef>willow, really? i have never mounted any disk with 'mount' as other than root
23:11<will0w>e.g. 'mount -o uid=1000, gid=1000 /dev/sdX /home/mnt/foo
23:12<Gombye>tyzef: You could put 'LANG=en_US' prior to the command to get the error in English, like 'LANG=en_US chown user:user /home/user/mnt/folder-fun'.
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23:12<tyzef>Gombye, sure I do it...
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23:15<Gombye>will0w: It sounds like tyzef is wanting to change ownership of a subdirectory, not the root of the mounted volume. Would mounting it like that have any affect on subdirectories?
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23:17<will0w>Gombye: if it's ntfs filesystem it might be better to mount as user. for ext4 normally mount as root and chmod as necessary for access. but since he was mounting under /home i suggested to mount as user
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23:17<tyzef>naaaaaaaaa..... /o\... i did 'LANG=en_US chown lulu:tzf /home/lulu/mnt/E430' and now I get 'drwxr-xr-x 2 lulu tzf 4096 25 déc. 18:32 E430' horrible, shame on me...
23:17<tyzef>so congrats \o/
23:18<Gombye>tyzef: Ah, I thought that maybe you had added a space and that was what caused the error. Was that it?
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23:19<tyzef>i will paste it with it translation, the error...
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23:22<tyzef>pls if you like to have a look : https://paste.debian.net/1225939/
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23:24<tyzef>I don't understand
23:25<tyzef>maybe I should keep my /system in US because computering is in US language at its beginning, hehe
23:25<tyzef>I know that's stupid
23:25<Gombye>tyzef: It looks like you typed E420 instead of E430 the first time.
23:26<tyzef>oh
23:27<tyzef>yeah you are totally right ! ohhhhh.... so I actually have to change that hardware that stands in between the keyboard and the chair... ohhh.... that's another problem
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23:28<tyzef>really sorry, I should had copy/paste instead of typing, I am actually lil tired today, i appologies
23:28<Gombye>No problem.
23:29<tyzef>thanks guys for your attention !
23:29<tyzef>and help
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