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---Logopened Thu Jan 06 00:00:17 2022
00:00<theteju>installer created three partitions on nvme drive /dev/nvme0n1p1 p2 and p3 where p1 is EFI p2 is boot and p3 belongs to LVM
00:00<theteju>Squr{Not} : honestly I do not know how to do that.
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00:01<theteju>Karmavil : thum disk and live is different?
00:01<Karmavil>I have also installed debian stretch in a thum stick usb3.0 with minimal adjustements.. it's not faster as a normal hdd but it works pretty well .. not much difference with what a raspberry would be
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00:03<theteju>Karmavil : I always go for kde version of Debian as I found kde meets my need and stable
00:04<Karmavil>You can have an image from where to boot and install directly. But you can also have an image what's know as a live image. The latest allows you to use and see the operative system pretty much like an annonimous user.. it is not a good comparison but I mean you could use some functionalities that would not be available in a traditional installation image
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00:06<Karmavil>it is a different approach but in essence the final intention is the same, install the OS
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00:08<Sqrt{Not}>theteju, is your problem /boot partition, on the nvme, is it a simple partition, or is it some kind of lvm or other complicated partition?
00:10<Karmavil>Umm about kde.. I'm not sure if you need to choose between one or another before choosing an image.. I think you can choose the desktop environment at install time. But because I don't remember I would advise you to search more information about that or ask other people here with better knowledge than me
00:10<theteju>Karmavil so in your theory such thum stick would let me choose and option during grub menu to repair the grub?
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00:10<theteju>Squr{Not} my /boot is seperate on nvme
00:11<Sqrt{Not}>separate, but it is just a plain ext4 (or something) partition, or is it in some kind of managed disk layer
00:11<Karmavil>Yes sure. After you format and create the partitions. And if I am not wrong after install most of the programs the OS offer. I think it's one the last steps
00:12<theteju>Karmavil : take a look , this is the only page gives choices https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/11.2.0-live+nonfree/amd64/iso-hybrid/
00:13<Karmavil>well those are live images.. I didn't experiment with them
00:13<theteju>Sqrt{Not} : its just plain ext4
00:16<theteju>may be I am wrong! I am so frustrated guys.. spent entire day today to figure this out. I have to hit bed. Tomorrow morning I will try thumb stick !! I would like to have three partitions on my nvme 1. FAT 32 for stupid EFI 2. /boot ext 2 and 3. rest of the drive belongs to lvm where i like if given choice seperate / , /home , /tmp and swap of my choice
00:18<theteju>unfortunately debian installer too complicated for me :( it does give me lvm with seperate but makes only 1 gb swap 1 gb tmp etc
00:18<Sqrt{Not}>theteju, good night. A fresh look in the morning has fixed many problems :) Also, sometimes, the fix comes in a dream
00:18<jm_>you can always choose to manually partition stuff in installer
00:18<Karmavil>@theteju I have to be honest with you.. I repaired problems with the grub a few times (mainly because unexpected behavior like installation interrupted or things like that) but I am not a expert. I did it like any other person.. using an internet connection :)
00:18<theteju>after doing all, I must install grub to somewhere my motherboard can See
00:19<Sqrt{Not}>theteju, you already have grub installed in at leas one working place.
00:19<Sqrt{Not}>you don't need a separate grub for every different OS image you can choose to boot.
00:20<Karmavil>that's right
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00:23<Karmavil>but.. in my case I have different OS in different disks. So I don't share the grub. I just pick where to go from my bios at boot time.. yea it is not fast but it is safe against overwrites I had troubles with windows taking control over the grub in the past so I don't like to share the grub with windows (personal choice)
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00:24<theteju>https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2415658&page=4 this is exatly what I need
00:25<Sqrt{Not}>(dual-booting vs. winders is a whole different set of problems, but luckily I think theteju is only dealing with different flavors of linux)
00:25<theteju>but this guy used nvme without lvm
00:26<theteju>I ditch windows since 2009 guys.. Today i consider myself newbie again!!:(
00:26<Karmavil>and there is also another possible scenario where you can find surprises and that is when your disk is UEFI compatible (I think) and the other disk has legacy compatibility. I should just shut my mouth
00:27<theteju>my MB supports both
00:27<Karmavil>nice
00:28<Karmavil>I think Sqrt suggestions are quite right. I don't say I like to fix the grub but maybe that is what you have to do
00:29<theteju>I can once again try update grub from my Kubuntu
00:30<theteju>before I go for another reinstall. but I am confuse to sepcify directories.. grub looks for /boot or /root inorder to load the OS?
00:30<Sqrt{Not}>theteju, you may need to move the contents of your new /boot directory over to an existing /boot directory on one of the old disks, so everything needed to boot is on old hardware, and then the main part of the bullseye install is in the lvm part of the new nvme
00:31<Karmavil>if you have a live image you could run some checks on the disks. I guess you know if your boot sector is damaged some times is not possible to fix
00:32<Sqrt{Not}>theteju, grub looks in a different place for each grub menu item. usually it finds a /boot directory by its UUID, and the menu will tell the name of files to bboot inside that directory. A usual /boot directory will have several co-existing versions available in it, depending on the boot command line
00:32<theteju>Karmavil : come on man,, this is my first nvme of life.. brand new.. Please dont say that,, things are expensive everywhere
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00:34<theteju>OK
00:34<Sqrt{Not}>theteju, look at the way your old grub config has 100 versions of ubuntu available, just different file names
00:35<theteju>tommorrow.. thanks guys.. sleepwith with hope! for tomorrow
00:35<theteju>Good Night
00:36<Karmavil>your first what? let me google that.. dude you guys are using those therms like regular verbs.. wait a minute.. I just check an UUID table once in my life.. and that was installing the operative system in a thumb stick.. You guys are so ahead of me
00:37<Sqrt{Not}>Karmavil, don't worry, they are busy changing everything as we speak, so we will all have to learn new ways tomorrow
00:37<Karmavil>lol
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00:37<theteju>how do i save this chat?
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00:37<Karmavil>do you have a cellphone? use it
00:38<Sqrt{Not}>what chat client? there are logs on the internet, the robot will tell you
00:38<Sqrt{Not}>!irclog
00:38<dpkg>#debian on <freenode> is logged at http://infobot.rikers.org/%23debian/ , #debian on <OFTC> is logged at http://irclogs.thegrebs.com/debian/
00:38<Karmavil>wow that's good to know thanks
00:39<Sqrt{Not}>freenode ??? ewwwww
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00:39<theteju>Konversion
00:39<Sqrt{Not}>anyone know about possible logs on libera?
00:40<Sqrt{Not}>I don't know konversation, I'm here on hexchat right now
00:40<theteju>I guess I am loyal to KDE
00:41<theteju>lol
00:41<Karmavil>I did't expect that too. I though we were using Debian servers not freenote. I think I don't know much about freenode
00:41<Sqrt{Not}>theteju, I would expect that konversation has the ability to save your session to a file, but I don't know
00:42<Sqrt{Not}>freenode is basicly history now
00:42<Sqrt{Not}>we are on OFTC, official debian servers here
00:42<Sqrt{Not}>the new alternative place is at irc.libera.chat
00:42<Karmavil>oh that is what it means. Thx
00:45<Karmavil>I'm still confusing what's a network and what's a server.. People told me about that but it's still hard to understand..
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00:46<Karmavil>basically because the meaning of a server has changed. I guess all this are micro services all over the web
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01:55<maxzor>Is there a way to find the load on the ftp mirrors? Wondering if I should invest time in setting up a raspberry pi apt-cacher-ng
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01:56<mooff>maxzor: if you have trouble with a mirror, just choose another :)
01:58<maxzor>Guess this network abuse is nothing compared to youtube and twitch
01:59<freq>remember apt-transport-https
01:59<freq>remember apt-transport-tor
01:59<freq>use wisely
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02:42<Karmavil>I need your help guys. I'm going to upgrade to bullseye from buster and I have a question about a command
02:43<Karmavil>I ran this command aptitude search '?narrow(?installed, ?not(?origin(Debian)))' to remove non-Debian packages and there a few
02:44<Karmavil>firefox, helm, and kubectl.
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02:44<Karmavil>The last one is a command line tool. A script
02:44<Karmavil>Why is Docker not listed here?
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03:21<Karmavil>Umm. forget it. It's probably my fault. I must made an incomplete upgrade from stretch to buster
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03:37<Pddy>as far as i know, you should go step by step, from release to release
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03:37<Pddy>keeping an eye on the release notes
03:37<tp43_>pddy 2nd
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03:38<tp43_>I always just re-install, it is quicker.
03:38<Pddy>yup
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04:13<sattva>is open source the greatest collaborative effort in modern times?
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04:18<tarzeau>sattva: i'd guess so, yes
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04:20<Pddy>:D
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04:20<Pddy>every commit a handing over the torch
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05:05<Exagone313>Hi, since today, when I create a virtualenv with Python 3 on Debian Buster, running "python -m pip" commands fails with an error, but "pip" commands work. I can reproduce this on debian:buster-slim Docker image. https://ewd.xyz/10787b.txt Have anyone else encountered this issue? Maybe virtualenv decided to upgrade its bundled wheels or something, pip/virtualenv is complicated to understand. Thanks for your help.
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05:07<Exagone313>I can't reproduce on bullseye, it's specific to buster
05:08<Pddy>is pip3 installed, does that command work?
05:10<Exagone313>Pddy: inside the virtualenv?
05:12<Exagone313>pip[3[.7]] commands work in and out of the virtualenv, only python[3[.7]] -m pip doesn't in a virtualenv (only)
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05:31<pipedream>Exagone313: looks like that setuptools versios been yanked. https://pypi.org/project/setuptools/60.3.0/ Downgrade with pip install setuptools==60.2.0 and python -m pip works again. somehow on bullseye the virtualenv has setuptools 44.1.1 (which is not yanked, but if you upgrade to 60.3.0 you see the same error on bullseye) Also see https://github.com/pypa/pip/issues/8262.
05:32<Exagone313>pipedream: yes, I just found this
05:32<Exagone313>thanks
05:32<Exagone313>I'm still not sure why/when it downloads this yanked version
05:33<pipedream>See the github issue. I don't know enouhg about pip/virtualenv to really understand this or why the bullseye virtualenv gets such an older setuptools
05:34<pipedream>try asking in debian-python
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06:03<sattva>why after installing clamav do i need to purge exim4base and re install or just leave it
06:04<sattva>if i dont dpkg errors
06:06<jm_>maybe check BTS if it's a known bug
06:06<sattva>hmm what is bts
06:06<sattva>bug tracker
06:07<jm_>!bts
06:07<dpkg>Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. See also <apt-listbugs>, <reportbug>. http://wiki.debian.org/HowtoUseBTS
06:08<sattva>^ perfect thanks
06:08<sattva>cat
06:08<sattva>!cat
06:08<dpkg>[cat] a program in Unix and Unix-like operating systems that concatenates the contents of files, reading from a list of files and/or standard input in sequence and writing their contents in order to standard output. cat takes the list of files as arguments but also interprets the argument "-" as standard input. See also <more> and <less>.
06:08<sattva>sorry just checking
06:09<jm_>you can use /msg dpkg ... and only you will get the reply
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06:10<sattva>nice thanks i no nothing about irc
06:10<sattva>"/msg" is like a man page
06:10<sattva>?
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06:12<jm_>no, it's a command to send private message on irc
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06:14<no>how do i change the language of the calendar on debian xfce
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06:18<sattva>idk no
06:18<no>@sattva, is fine i will just wait more or search a bit more
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06:21<sattva>https://wiki.debian.org/ChangeLanguage these will change more than the calender
06:24<no>thanks
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06:26<no>huh
06:27<no>so my lang is = english but my time seems to be in russian
06:27<no>so how do i change my region?
06:28<no>on xfce
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06:29<sattva>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639-1_codes
06:31<no>thanks again
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06:39<sattva>export LANG=en_US:UTF-8 probably already did this no but something like that
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10:01<jimpop>why does 'dpkg -S /usr/sbin/logsave' report no path found matching pattern /usr/sbin/logsave?
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10:02<rudi_s>jimpop: Maybe it's /sbin/logsave?
10:02<avu>jimpop: it's /sbin/logsave, you're probably on a system with usrmerge?
10:03<avu>dpkg doesn't play well with that
10:03<dpkg>i don't know, avu
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10:17<jimpop>avu, rudi_s, yep that's it
10:17<jimpop>thanks!
10:19<rudi_s>np
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11:49<tohoyn>I'm planning to install debian bullseye in my Lenovo having BCM43142 network controller. I found instructions in https://wiki.debian.org/wl. But how can I install the driver when I have no net available during the installation? Is the BCM driver contained in the firmware archive?
11:50<tohoyn>I suppose I could collect all the necessary packages into a USB stick
11:50<azeem>tohoyn: try booting a live-system via a usb stick to see
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11:52<somiaj>I think that one you need to build yourself?
11:52<sney>tohoyn: for wl it will be much easier if you install the OS offline, with a dvd image for instance, and then copy the necessary files over and build the driver in the installed system
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11:52<sney>like somiaj says it's a driver that needs to be compiled, it's not just a question of having firmware files in place.
11:52<somiaj>tohoyn: having a wired or some other network connection available is also useful too (less things to manually copy over)
11:52*sney *shakes fist* BROADCOM!
11:53<tohoyn>sney: does the DVD debian image contain all the packages necessary to build the wl driver?
11:53<sney>yes, it has the compiler toolchain and the kernel headers
11:53<somiaj>tohoyn: they won't, you'll have to copy some stuff over.
11:53<sney>you would need to bring the broadcom-sta-dkms separately though
11:53<somiaj>well it won't have the non-free stuff, it will have to build tools
11:54<somiaj>sney: wl is still better than the old b43 fw-cutter, had to manually cut the firmware out once, that was a pain..
11:55<sney>indeed, and wl generally works ok once installed too
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14:07<redbrass>not sure where to ask this. It's on Debian, but not a debian specific issue... In bash, how can I know when a VM is done starting up via qemu?
14:08<redbrass>normally I would wait for the service I need (ssh in this case), but I can't rely on waiting for SSH for various reasons...
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14:09<sussudio>redbrass: /var/run/sshd.pid being present?
14:11<redbrass>host would have that. I can't ssh into the VM to check there, because SSH may not be running (yet). I may not be able to ssh into the vm due to host identification changing (dynamically generated VM...)
14:12<somiaj>redbrass: what does it mean to be done starting up, and how would qemu know this? In general you'll have to either use ping to check network, or have some service on the vm that reaches out to inform that it has read that service.
14:12<redbrass>Basically I have a catch 22 issue. I need to reset the known hosts to handle the new VM SSH id., but I can't do that until SSH is running. I can wait for the SSH service, but it will always error due to the host identification change...
14:13<somiaj>I guess there is already such a thing
14:13<somiaj>,i qemu-guest-agent
14:13<judd>Package qemu-guest-agent (otherosfs, optional) in bullseye/amd64: Guest-side qemu-system agent. Version: 1:5.2+dfsg-11+deb11u1; Size: 266.0k; Installed: 748k; Homepage: http://www.qemu.org/
14:13<somiaj>that is a daemon that runs inside the guest and informs the host when it is booted
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14:13<redbrass>Thanks. I'll look at that for sure.
14:15<somiaj>seems it does a bit more, but it is a tool to allow the host to get info/control the guest a bit more directly
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15:04<mason>Is there a particularly well-supported RPi-style device suitable for HostAPD?
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15:05<mason>I'll probably end up going RPi, but if I can avoid https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi#Booting_via_a_binary_blob I'd like to.
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15:07<bremner>you might ask on #debian-arm. I think the answer is usually spend a bit more money on something like a beaglebone black, but I have no personal experience
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15:09<mason>bremner: Ah, good idea. Thank you.
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15:31<amacater_>mason: You may find significant difficulties finding anything - supply chain not good at the moment
15:31<mason>amacater_: Sure. But knowing what to look for is a decent first step.
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15:35<amacater_>Depends very much on what performance you want too. Beaglebone is not hugely performant.
15:36<bremner>people lookinf for performance don't usually ask for 'RPi-style', IME
15:36<mason>Wireless devices are distinctly second-class citizens here.
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17:40<dvs>why?
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18:18<RoyK>anyone that knows how I can make tab completion work with bash/virsh?
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18:32<Habbie>RoyK, you mean, in bash, typing 'virsh li', hitting tab, and getting 'list'? just as one example
18:32<mason>RoyK: Do you have bash-completion installed?
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18:50<Blondie101010>ironically, I have libvirt-bash-completion.x86_64 and it doesn't autocomplete
18:51<Blondie101010>oh, I didn't test it well... it works after starting a new shell
18:52<RoyK>mason: yes ;)
18:52<RoyK>Habbie: more like virsh shutdown myvm<tab>
18:53<mason>RoyK: Works out of the box here.
18:53<RoyK>tab completion for the virsh commands works
18:53<mason>vir<tab> gets me virsh, sh<tab> gets me shutdown, then I tab into --domain, then the VM
18:53<RoyK>but not for the vm names
18:53<mason>weird
18:53<mason>RoyK: So, you have "virsh shutdown" and you hit tab, and...?
18:54<mason>RoyK: Here, it gives me two dashes, and I can choose mode or domain. If I choose domain, tabbing more gives me actual domains.
18:54<Blondie101010>use: --domain
18:54<mason>Or you could use domain. Excellent point.
18:55<Blondie101010>then my VMs auto complete
18:55<RoyK>it completes --domain, but not the vm names
18:55<mason>RoyK: Ah, you're doing it as a user, aren't you? Try it as root.
18:55<RoyK>I'm root
18:55<Blondie101010>well it can be complicated to account for *all* possibilities
18:56<mason>RoyK: Odd. Not sure then. What you're describing is what non-root accounts get here, but root completes everything.
18:56<Blondie101010>the autocomplete script has to be smaller than the program it helps with
18:56<RoyK>Blondie101010: the usual way is to run a virsh status --all in the background or similar and then take the output of that to get fed into autocomplete
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18:57<Blondie101010>makes sense, yet quite (understandably) inefficient
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