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---Logopened Sat Jan 08 00:00:20 2022
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00:14<ilmostro>Is there any background info on why the default UID is set as 1001 in Debian (and Ubuntu)? It seems that most other distros start at 1000
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00:16<themill>I don't believe you're correct about 1001
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00:17<ilmostro>I was gonna walk that back, since I was not the person that installed the OS--even though there is no UID 1000 mapped
00:18<themill>they may have created a UID 1000 at install time, then added you, then deleted the first user they created
00:19<ilmostro>yeah, that's what I suspect as well. Messes with my nfs mounts :( I'll figure out a solution when I'm more awake
00:19<ilmostro>thank you, themill, for walking me through that logic :)
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00:20<themill>no worries. nfs can do UID mapping, or you could change the UID for the user if you wanted...
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00:21<ilmostro>yeah, the latter part seems prone to breakage somewhere. So, I would definitely avoid that this early on in this system's life
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00:24<themill>early in a system's life is the best time to change a UID since it is baked into as few places as possible ... but yes, it's dirty
00:25<ilmostro>haha, indeed; hadn't considered the flip-side
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00:26<ilmostro>Alternatively, if I can't figure out a better solution, I could simply create a second user with UID 1000 and run the backup jobs to be stored on nfs as that user.
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00:29<ilmostro>I've previously only dealt with commandline backup tools/scripts. This is my renewed interest in the GUI backup tools, which can add ease-of-use as well as additional complexity
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05:28<at0m>some firefox tab is playing audio. but which :D
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05:31<at0m>rule #3 of irc hit me, "you ask then you find the answer yourself near instantly"
05:32<bentham>If that's what it takes.
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05:48<@jelly>see also: rubber duck debugging
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05:50<solitario>at0m: I think Firefox will display a little speaker at the left side of the tab currently playing audio.
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05:52<RoyK>!rubber duck debugging
05:53<bentham>http://lists.ethernal.org/oldarchives/cantlug-0211/msg00174.html
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06:00<at0m>solitario: yea, it does. but there's lots of tabs. two extra caveats: 1) the audio played intermittently 2) when it did, somehow pulse(?) always set it to silent. so only by raising the 'application volume' in pulsemixer, every time it restarted, i could actually hear it
06:02<at0m>the tab doing that was https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-lists/best-albums-of-all-time-1062063/
06:02<RoyK>bentham: hehe - thanks - that's actually a good way of debugging ;)
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06:03<at0m>or better, one of the pages to a group of 50 from those 500. funny, since it didnt show anything playing on the page itself
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06:04<at0m>and when it played, it was set to -∞ dB
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06:07<solitario>at0m: Ok.
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10:12<pascal>Hi, I am new to debian, just installed debian 11 testing (bookworm) and I have issue with my 2nd screen which is blank (nvidia graphic card behind). Don't how to investigate (wayland issue I guess)
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10:15<jmcnaught>pascal: laptop with optimus? Sometimes video out ports are only connected to the discrete GPU. Take a look at https://wiki.debian.org/NVIDIA%20Optimus and also testing/bookworm support is in #debian-next
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10:22<pascal>jmcnaught : not laptop w optimus (GeForce GTX 1050 Ti). Ok for testing, I move on ! ;)
10:23<amacater_>pascal: If you've nothing invested in it and can bear a reinstall: use Stable - Bullseye Debian 11 - and do it in a fixed order. Install expert mode text only using unofficial non-free .iso which includes firmware. Sort out the nvidia drivers or nouveau and only at that point install a desktop environment.
10:25<amacater_>As far as possible, always use stable first - there will be lots more people around to help you and, if you're new to Debian, it may be worth getting a little more experience before installing testing: there's slightly less security support and you're also expected to be better able to fix problems as they arise.
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10:27<amacater_>https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/11.2.0+nonfree/amd64/iso-cd/firmware-11.2.0-amd64-netinst.iso is the unofficial installer which includes firmware.
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10:28<pascal>amacater : thank you for the advice. I can reinstall for sure. I tried testing to have latest apps version, but may be better to go with stable... I will give one more try to testing, because 2nd screen was working fine until I did some wrong (I guess) command installing nonfree drivers...
10:29<pascal>amacater : I was running ubuntu before, so I am bit used to debian. But graphic issues (w wayland) are far from my knowledge ! ;)
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10:29<petn-randall>!debian-next
10:29<dpkg>#debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on libera.chat. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net. See also https://wiki.debian.org/IRC and https://wiki.debian.org/GettingHelpOnIrc
10:30<amacater_>The problem you may have is that the free drivers - nouveau - are good but can sometimes have issues: if you follow the sequence I've given, you install text only so graphical environments are not installed before you get nvidia drivers in place if they are needed.
10:30<pascal>amacater : thank you for your help
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10:31<pascal>petn-randall - dpkg : I move...
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10:57<grove>Hi. `sudo journalctl -xeu transmission-daemon` says a lot of things, but the relevant part (all the rest looks like messages I've seen from other services, I can throw the whole thing on a pastebin if anyone wants to see) is "transmission-daemon[25043]: [2022-01-08 16:47:12.101] transmission-daemon Error loading config file -- exiting. (daemon.c:693)". Is the any way to make it say what it ...
10:57<grove>... dowsn't like in the config file?
10:58<bremner>grove: maybe start the daemon manually?
10:59<bremner>typically there is an option to run in the foreground
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11:08<grove>It seems as if the systemd unit already uses that. But actually running it (with the command from the unit definition)) seemed to make the daemon run, but not configued as I thought. Now the question is if somehow uses a different config file when started manually or what else is going on
11:09<bremner>does the systemd unit file specify an environment file? or some other way of overriding the config?
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11:10<grove>Not that I can see
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11:15<bremner>maybe it depends on the user running the command?
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11:19<grove>That's a ossibility
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11:21<grove>It does, when I try to run it as debian-transmission it throws the error
11:21<grove>(but no additional details)
11:22<bremner>so I guess it's looking for config in the user home directory?
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11:28<grove>Maybe. It helped changing the ownership (user+group) of the config file, that had gotten screwed up when I made a ZFS to store the home directory and moved stuff there. Thanks for the help
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11:39<gh555222>does Debian have a BTT-compatible bittorrent client in its repos?
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11:45<pert>gh555222: what's BTT? some web searches turn up a cryptocurrency presumably named after the file sharing protocol
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11:58<marcello1>lol
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12:41<sodo>on embedded device, i can't upgrade my kernel
12:42<sodo>so i can't use latest libc6
12:42<sodo>tho i can't apt-mark hold libc6
12:42<sney>that is common, SoC vendors often require a custom kernel for their hardware/boot setup
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12:42<sodo>but some packages may require higher version of libc6
12:43<sney>not if you stay on a stable debian release
12:43<sodo>will i still be able to update that package to the last version that supports my libc6 version?
12:43<sodo>i'm going stretch from jessie after disabled libc6 update
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12:44<sney>if you are stuck at one libc6/kernel version, then it is unlikely that you'll succeed at upgrading debian releases.
12:44<sney>what device is this?
12:44<sodo>i've installed debian on galaxy s(m110s) with chroot
12:45<sodo>kernel stuck at 2.7
12:45<sodo>(it's a old android phone)
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12:46<sodo>anyway
12:46<sodo>i'm going stretch
12:47<sodo>but i don't know if some packages become unavailable
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13:31<ckosloff>Is there a metapckage to install webserver?
13:31<ckosloff>metapackage
13:31<bremner>you should probably pick one
13:31<ckosloff>bremner: please elaborate
13:31<sney>,i task-web-server
13:31<judd>Package task-web-server (tasks, optional) in bullseye/amd64: web server. Version: 3.68; Size: 0.9k; Installed: 6k
13:32<sney>bremner is right that most people should consider whether apache or nginx or lighttpd is appropriate for the use case, but this task will get you apache
13:32<ckosloff>judd: does this install apache + mysql?
13:32<sney>judd is a bot.
13:33<sney>if you want mysql, you will have to install mysql too.
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13:33<sney>er, mariadb in the current era
13:33<ckosloff>sney: everything is answered, thank you.
13:33<sney>np
13:34<Blakes7>Anyone using openzfs? I'm trying to find if it's possible to shrink a volume to expand another, but what I'm seeing in research says its not?
13:35<sney>Blakes7: I've never had to shrink a zfs volume to find out, #zfs on libera is a good resource for these questions though
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13:36<Blakes7>Thanks sney.
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13:39<Blakes7>Christ why do I need an account everywhere?
13:39<bremner>well, since you don't need one here, it seem like the wrong place to complain
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13:40<Blakes7>That you would be sympathetic?
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13:43<dpkg>This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic or #moocows; or search for a chat topic of your choice at https://netsplit.de/channels/
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13:49<Blakes7>ok karen.
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14:59<jelly>probably #zfsonlinux for linux, not sure if they renamed it yet
14:59<jelly>also on libera
14:59<sney>both channels routinely field questions for zfs linux usage
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16:08<liliFee>Hi I wondering why firefox does not appear in the Software App of my Debian Bullseye.
16:08<mason>There's #openzfs on Libera too, which also fields questions for everything. There's an unfortunate amount of overlap. Be nice if it condensed down to just #zfs.
16:08<liliFee>Has someone a clue?
16:08<sussudio>software app?
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16:09<bremner>liliFee: you probably need to look for "firefox-esr"
16:09<liliFee>It Like AppStore
16:10<liliFee>I have typed it in but it answers to me: No App found
16:10<liliFee>Inside "Software&Updates" on the ribbon "Software from Debian" I have checked all 4 Options
16:12<liliFee>something seems to be apperantly wrong but what?
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16:15<bremner>I think many of us are not familiar with the software app. If you want to install firefox-esr from the command line, we can help with that.
16:15<bremner>(at least, I am unfamiliar with it)
16:15<Sqrt{Not}>liliFee, is this in gnome?
16:16<liliFee>Sqrt: jep, gnome
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16:18<liliFee>bremner: OK, my aim for long perspective is to be able to use this "Software" option
16:19<bremner>liliFee: OK, maybe somebody else can help you with that. I don't use gnome regularly.
16:19<mason>liliFee: If there's some "refresh" option, that might help. It might not have a valid conception of what's available.
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16:19<bremner>also, for the record, the package firefox is not available in stable, only firefox-esr
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16:20<liliFee>I have executed the cmd.: sudo apt update and sudo apt upgrade with no effect
16:20<Sqrt{Not}>liliFee, are you sure that firefox is not already installed?
16:20<mason>liliFee: If you're okay with that, 'sudo apt install firefix-esr' would get you there, and then you can use Firefox to research the issue
16:21<mason>But by a refresh option, I meant something in the graphical application itself.
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16:22<Sqrt{Not}>liliFee, in my bullseye gnome machine, firefox-esr is the second from top program in the activites "ribbon" a flame colored rodent eating its tail
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16:22<sussudio>a fox is a rodent now?
16:22<mason>Now it is.
16:23<Sqrt{Not}>sussudio, in cartoon land, we all are rodents
16:23<Sqrt{Not}>(if you have to use a rodential input device, give it up)
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16:23<sodo>after i updated from jessie
16:24<sodo>apt wasn't able to access net
16:24<Sqrt{Not}>liliFee, if you click "activities" and then put your mouse on any icon there it will show the name of the program
16:24<mason>My guinea pig hutch used to be called Rodential Pallisades, but this was before Debian and hence off-topic.
16:24<sodo>it was permission related problem and once i gave _apt permission it started to work
16:24<sodo>but ping also broke
16:24<mason>sodo: Make sure your NIC didn't get a new name.
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16:25<sodo>mason: what is NIC?
16:25<sodo>does "ping" has user i should give permission?
16:26<mason>sodo: It's a Network Interface Controller, and it's what you plug a network cable into for wired networks. If networking stopped working on an upgrade, what might have been "eth0" now has one of the new unpredictable names. If it's wifi it can have a similar adventure.
16:26<Sqrt{Not}>liliFee, any luck?
16:26<sodo>mason: it's a bit different issue
16:26<mason>sodo: So if that's what's happened, how to fix it depends on how you configure your network. At a guess, start by comparing the output of "ip" with the contents of /etc/network/interfaces.
16:26<sodo>it's chroot environment
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16:27<mason>sodo: Nothing should have changed there in an upgrade. Maybe verify that your /etc/resolv.conf is still correct.
16:27<sodo>i checked it fine
16:28<sodo>apt now works
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16:28<sodo>wget and busybox ping was working nothing to do
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16:28<sodo>but just ping not working
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16:28<sodo>i mean the command
16:28<sodo>since it's chroot on android
16:29<sodo>i have to usermod -g aid_inet "user"
16:29<sodo>to give "user" network access
16:29<sodo>after i gave it to _apt it worked
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16:29<mason>sodo: Ah, could be something there (glibc, some library, whatever) needs something that's not in the Android-provided kernel. Unsure. You're in largely unknown lands there.
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16:30<sodo>in chroot
16:30<sodo>libc is inside the environment
16:30<liliFee>firefox is allready installed. But the version is old 78
16:30<mason>The chroot still uses kernel services and had to agree with the kernel on interfaces.
16:30<liliFee>78.15.0esr
16:30<liliFee>I would like to update it
16:30<sodo>it worked out fine on jessie
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16:31<sodo>and i had to hold the libc6 version before upgrading due to old kernel
16:31<liliFee>I have already executed: sudo apt install firefox-esr
16:31<liliFee>but lead to the same version
16:31<mason>sodo: You're narrowing in on the issue there.
16:31<mason>sodo: New ping, new linkages, new expectations.
16:32<Sqrt{Not}>liliFee, in your software&updates thing, go to the tab named "update" and check the boxes to allow security updates and recommended updates
16:32<sodo>but doesn't the minimal dependency version of package guarantee it will work with it?
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16:33<mason>sodo: Theoretically it should, but clearly something is unhappy.
16:34<liliFee>Hurra, :) now I will update the system.
16:34<mason>sodo: At the core of it, networking is provided by the kernel, and your stuff using the kernel needs to agree on interfaces, and if you've changed the userspace things and they no longer work, the expectations are no longer the same.
16:34<liliFee>But firefox update still does not appear
16:35<Sqrt{Not}>liliFee, did you do sudo apt update already?
16:35<Sqrt{Not}>liliFee, (after you checked those boxes)?
16:35<liliFee>I will perform a system power cycle
16:35<Sqrt{Not}>liliFee, wait
16:35<sney>firefox-esr update is in bullseye-security
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16:36<Sqrt{Not}>liliFee, after you checked those boxes in update&security, the re-do the sudo apt update and sudo apt upgrade
16:36<mason>sodo: This is a bad answer to an unfortunate problem, but maybe drop in ping from the older release and see if it works. And ldd /bin/ping and maybe rinse and repeat for the libraries it uses. This can lead to an irrevocably hosed system of course, but again, you're in very poorly-tested territory.
16:38<sodo>is there any utils that use network provided by coreutils?
16:38<sodo>other than ping?
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16:38<mason>sodo: In your situation I'd stick with an older release and the most minimal possible footprint and either backport or hand-build things as needed for security.
16:38<mason>sodo: dpkg -L coreutils
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16:40<mason>Don't see anything network-related in there. (including ping)
16:40<sodo>oh
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16:43<sodo>i was using ping from iputils
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16:48<sodo>im just going to live without ping
16:48<mason>sodo: Yeah, if you can ping from outside the environment and ping is the only notable thing broken, that's not a bad plan.
16:49<sodo>busybox ping works tho
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16:49<mason>Different libraries/linkage/expectations.
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16:52<liliFee>After some restart, .... issue still the same
16:52<liliFee>I will install the newest version tomorrow by using terminal
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16:52<liliFee>newest version of firefox-esr
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17:04<petn-randall>Uhm, so when I already have a patch file, how's the easiest way to view it in colours like when generating it with e.g. colordiff?
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17:11<azeem>petn-randall: "colordiff < foo.patch" apparently
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17:26<petn-randall>azeem: Oh, indeed! Thanks for the pointer.
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18:00<MarkB>I'm running MX Linux does that count against me?
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18:01<petn-randall>!mxlinux
18:01<dpkg>MX Linux is a popular distribution <based on debian>. It is not supported in #debian. Support is available on their forum: https://forum.mxlinux.org/. It is related to <antix>. If you are new to linux, or want a distro with IRC support, try Debian instead: https://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian
18:01<sney>you are free to use whatever distro you want, but mx linux is offtopic in #debian
18:01<petn-randall>MarkB: Nothing wrong with that, you just have to ask in the right support channel, though. ^^^
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19:16<spawacz>My soud card is visible only for one user playing sound at a time
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19:16<spawacz>when i play sound from user A, then user B cannot play and vice versa
19:16<spawacz>if i pause music on one, the second user starts playing after a while
19:16<spawacz>but never both at once
19:17<spawacz>pavucontrol and pacmd just does not see he card when other user is playing
19:17<spawacz>how to resolve that??
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19:18<spawacz>aplay -l does not change but pacmd list-sources does (the playing user sees the card, the other one does not)
19:18<spawacz>is that pulseaudio issue?
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19:23<spawacz>i have invoked "systemctl --user stop pulseaudio.service" on both users and it works
19:23<spawacz>but why pulseaudio messes it up?
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19:47<truth>upgrading my dpkg to version 1.21.1 failed with the error...
19:47<truth>head: error reading 'index.db': Is a directory
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19:47<truth>dpkg: error processing package dpkg (--configure):
19:47<dpkg>truth: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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19:55<truth>I MSGed dpkg with the link to a pastebin reporting my errors. The main one is in a post-installation script. It says "head: error reading 'index.db': Is a directory". I'd like to debug it. Where are post-installation scripts located?
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19:57<Habbie>truth, dpkg is a bot - msging it is not useful
19:57<Habbie>truth, better put the pastebin url in this channel
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19:59<truth>Habbie, https://paste.debian.net/1226447/
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20:07<truth>lechner, Where are package post-installation scripts located?
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20:07<lechner>truth: what was the first thing you did?
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20:08<sussudio>truth: run "mandb"
20:08<truth>lechner, Can you please be more specific?
20:09<lechner>you already told us the last thing you did. are you installing a new system?
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20:11<lechner>i'd go with namdb also
20:11<lechner>mandb
20:11<truth>sussudio, I tried running "mandb" as a normal user and root, and rerunning
20:11<truth>$ aptitude install <many packages>
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20:11<truth>It gave the same error...
20:12<truth>head: error reading 'index.db': Is a directory
20:12<sussudio>truth: lsof | grep index.db
20:12<truth>lechner, Thank you. I am not installing a new system. Just upgrading many packages.
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20:12<sussudio>there's also /var/log/dpkg.log
20:13<lechner>truth: did you use dist-upgrade?
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20:14<truth>lechner, No. I used...
20:14<truth>root$ aptitude install <many packages>
20:16<truth>sussudio, root$ lsof | grep index.db found nothing.
20:16<lechner>how about dpkg --configure -a
20:17<sussudio>truth: you're not running this in a vm/container, are you
20:17<truth>If I knew where dpkg's post-installation scripts were located, I might debug it. Maybe I'll check packages.debian.org.
20:17<lechner>you can't
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20:19<lechner>do you know where the index.db that is unexpectedly a directory is located?
20:19<truth>lechner, root$ dpkg --configure -a gave the same error.
20:19<truth>sussudio, I am not running this is a vm/container.
20:19<lechner>i might try find / -type d -name index.db
20:20<truth>lechner, I do not know where an index.db directory is.
20:20<sussudio>the only thing using the filename index.db on my system is mandb
20:20<sney>you can find dpkg's postinst script somewhere under https://git.dpkg.org/cgit/dpkg/dpkg.git but it is unlikely to be illuminating
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20:21<lechner>sussudio: would it make sense to purge mandb?
20:21<lechner>sney: he does not know what an index.db directory is
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20:22<sussudio>the index.dat files are kept in /var/cache/man/
20:22<lechner>truth: i think sussudio is on the right track. i'd try to repair your mandb installation.
20:23<lechner>you may end up reinstalling if you touch dpkg
20:24<sussudio>truth: have you just tried to install the packages one by one
20:24<truth>Maybe I'll be back later. I want to find the post-installation script.
20:24<sussudio>they will be in the .deb file
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20:25<sussudio>dpkg --unpack file.deb to unpack without installing
20:25<dpkg>i haven't a clue, sussudio
20:25<sussudio>dpkg: botsnack
20:26<lechner>truth: you could also try dpkg-reconfigure dpkg
20:27<lechner>"Package dpkg is not configured yet."
20:29<Habbie>sussudio, because a chewing bot can't talk? :)
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20:30<sussudio>!eat Habbie
20:30*dpkg eats Habbie, *CHOMP* *CHOMP* *CHOMP*
20:30<Habbie>that's unrealistically quick, i am quite big ;)
20:31<truth>I was surprised to not recognize any install scripts in...
20:31<truth>root$ dpkg -c /tmp/dpkg_1.21.1_i386.deb | less
20:31<truth>I downloaded the .deb from
20:32<truth>ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/dpkg/dpkg_1.21.1_i386.deb
20:32<lechner>it's in the control.tar
20:32<lechner>postinst
20:32<lechner>but you are likely reaching for the wrong knife
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20:33<lechner>the failure in mandb prevents your dpkg from beign configured
20:34<truth>lechner, I do not see a file named "control" or any .tar file in the output of...
20:34<truth>root$ dpkg -c /tmp/dpkg_1.21.1_i386.deb | less
20:34<sussudio>how about mandb -c
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20:35<lechner>truth: you would find it with dpkg-deb -e ... dir but it's the wrong place to look for the problem
20:36<truth>lechner, Thank you for suggesting "postinst". root$ locate postinst found the location. It's...
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20:37<truth>Maybe I'll be back later. I need to take a break.
20:38<truth># /var/lib/dpkg/info/dpkg*
20:38<lechner>truth: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ4c8Srl6uI&t=7s
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20:48<Sqrt{Not}>truth, are you picking individual .deb files from testing and installing them into a bullseye machine?
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21:03<PrOcToLoGiSt>how's HP printer/scan drivers in buster? i am currently with Package: hplip Version: 3.18.12+dfsg0-2 on buster. is there a way that i can see if i upgrade to bullseye, that everything will still work?
21:03<sney>you can look at the changelog for hplip in bullseye to see if anything significant was added/removed
21:04<sney>if you have a fairly common hp printer that didn't need a lot of work to get going, it will probably be the same in bullseye and up. mine is.
21:04<sney>and if it's new/smart enough it may not even need hplip, and work with ipp or ipp-usb
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21:06<sney>that changelog: https://tracker.debian.org/media/packages/h/hplip/changelog-3.21.2dfsg1-2
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21:07<PrOcToLoGiSt>HP_LaserJet_Pro_MFP_M127fs is what i have
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21:08<sney>oh yeah a laserjet should not need anything special
21:09<sney>looks like that may be the newer version of my m225dw, even. are you expecting trouble, have you had issues with it before?
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21:10<PrOcToLoGiSt>a year or so ago ... had a few issues
21:10<PrOcToLoGiSt>i guess i will give it a try
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23:05<truth>lechner, I think version 1.21.1 of dpkg was complaining about /var/lib/dpkg/index.db{barrel,vocabulary}
23:05<truth>They are owned by root, in root's group and dated 2002.
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23:06<truth>The "file" command describes both files as "data".
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23:08<truth>I saw no complaints with version 1.20.9 of dpkg.
23:11<Sqrt{Not}>truth, are you picking individual .deb files from testing and installing them into a bullseye machine?
23:11<truth>Sqrt{Not}, I am not.
23:11<Sqrt{Not}>,v dpkg
23:11<judd>Package: dpkg on amd64 -- stretch: 1.18.25; buster: 1.19.7; bullseye: 1.20.9; bookworm: 1.21.1; sid: 1.21.1
23:12<Sqrt{Not}>what environment are you installing into?
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23:14<Sqrt{Not}>truth, dpkg version 1.21.1 is from testing and/or unstable. what is the release version of the machine you are having trouble with?
23:14<truth>Sqrt{Not}, More or less, yes.
23:15<Sqrt{Not}>truth, are you installing them with their dependencies and/or recommendations?
23:16<truth>Sqrt{Not}, I used "aptitude install"'s default, which I think may be just dependencies.
23:16<truth>Sqrt{Not}, https://paste.debian.net/1226447/
23:20<Sqrt{Not}>truth, what is the release version of the machine you are having trouble with?
23:21<truth>Sqrt{Not}, How should I check the release version?
23:21<Sqrt{Not}>truth, `cat /etc/debian_version`
23:21<truth>Sqrt{Not}, "bullseye/sid"
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23:24<Sqrt{Not}>truth, what version of debian did you first install on this machine, and then how did you upgrade it to where it is now?
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23:27<Sqrt{Not}>truth, bullseye/sid is not a recommended combination. bullseye is the current stable release. bookworm is the current testing release. and sid is always the unstable release.
23:28<Sqrt{Not}>truth, if you want to experiment with packages from unstable, it is recommended to fully upgrade to the testing release, and then carefully mix in packages from unstable.
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23:29<Sqrt{Not}>truth, mixing in unstable packages into the supposedly "stable" release is not recommended, and is very hard to support, exactly because of the weird kind of unmatched software versions you are seeing in your current problem.
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23:31<truth>Removing /var/lib/dpkg/index.db{barrel,vocabulary} solved the problem.
23:32<Sqrt{Not}>truth, heh, OK, glad to hear it. good luck!
23:33<lechner>truth: congrats!
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23:38<Sqrt{Not}>truth, for the future, problems with packages from testing and/or unstable/sid should be addressed in channel #debian-next
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23:54<DaAwesomeP>Heyo! Is anyone else having issues installing exim4-daemon-heavy or exim4-daemon-light on Bullseye x64?
23:54<DaAwesomeP>Tried clearing /var/lib/exim4 and /etc/exim4, but I keep getting a dpkg error: "Exim configuration error in line 969 of /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated.tmp: Unexpected end of configuration file: .endif missing"
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