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---Logopened Mon Jan 02 00:00:12 2006
00:00<tierra>thanks, lets hope it doesn't require another
00:00<@caker>I cranked your max to 4mil, too
00:00<tierra>oh, heh
00:01<warewolf>hey caker
00:01<tierra>first time I've had the chance to check out Finnix as well
00:01<warewolf>you see that someone beat you out for last place on RML? :)
00:03<fo0bar>caker: oh, about finnix and marvell
00:03<fo0bar>that's in the existing 86.1
00:04<fo0bar>... or is there something specific to 2.6.15 you need?
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00:49<slava>does anybody run smtp servers on their linode?
00:51<slava>did you have to do anything to open port 25?
00:51<slava>i'm running postfix, but cannot connect to port 25 remotely
00:52<slava>works fine if i'm connecting from the linode though
00:52<darkbeholder>ur isp may block port 25
00:52<Newsome>does netstat report it listening on both localhost and eth0?
00:52<slava>oh shit, you might be right
00:52<darkbeholder>i know mine does and i have to use their smtp server to send email
00:53<slava>Newsome: yup
00:53<Newsome>darkbeholder is probably right, then
00:53<slava>i use another server to send mail, but its encrypted smtp and not port 25. it never occured to me that my isp blocks port 25
00:53<slava>well its not a big deal, just means its harder to test :)
00:56<warewolf>just use the MSA port
01:11<slava>have fun
01:24<fo0bar> <-- new website
01:25<efudd> <- integrated xbox live gamercard :p
01:26<efudd>altho for some reason it isn't pulling down the achivement icons.....
01:26<warewolf>oh, THAT's what those things are?
01:26<warewolf>some XBOX shit?
01:27<warewolf>the frog icon with ElectricFudd?
01:27<warewolf>and if you click on any of it, it prompts you to sign into M$ passport.
01:27<warewolf>wow. Way to go microsoft.
01:28<efudd>that's lame :/
01:28[~]warewolf will never own an xbox
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01:28<efudd>xbox360 is actually very nicely integrated.
01:28<warewolf>efudd: I was trying to figure out wtf all those things were
01:28<efudd>It has impressed me.....
01:28<efudd>dead or alive 4 is just.. wow....
01:28<warewolf>efudd: I will never pay for online gaming on a video game console.
01:28<warewolf>efudd: period.
01:28[~]efudd shrugs
01:29<efudd>you are missing out :)
01:29<warewolf>maybe I am, maybe I'm not.
01:29[~]efudd nods in agreement
01:29<warewolf>I hate microsof /that/ much.
01:29<warewolf>Blizzard, Sony, rockstar, valve, etc will get my money instead
01:30<Battousai>yes, and sony is the bastion of integrity :P
01:31<efudd>I don't live valve.. or blizzar that much..
01:31<warewolf>I didn't say they were
01:31<efudd>sony isn't on my special list either; save for ps3
01:31<Battousai>yes you did
01:31<Battousai>by proxy
01:31<Battousai>or something
01:31<warewolf>lesser of two evils, my friend. lesser of two evils.
01:31<warewolf>and don't put words in my mouth
01:31<Battousai>i'll put whatever i want in your mouth
01:31[~]Battousai unzips
01:31[~]warewolf unbuttons knife
01:31<warewolf>want to bring that tubesteak a little closer?
01:32[~]warewolf slices Battousai's schlong into a million slices similarly to that of a deli slicer
01:35[~]Battousai likes it rough
01:36<warewolf>heh. I hope you enjoy sitting down to pee :P
01:36[~]warewolf goes back to unbreaking things at work, now that he's finally off vacation
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04:02<@linbot>New news from forums: Ubuntu and iptables loaded at boot time? in General Discussion <>
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11:24<ppdorapa>caker there ?
11:25<ppdorapa>chris ?
11:31<ppdorapa>no one here ?
11:38<@caker>ppdorapa: hello
11:39<@caker>!weather 37211
11:39<@linbot>caker: The current temperature in Brentwood, TN is 70\xB0F. Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Wind: SSW at 14 mph (23 km/h).
11:39<rafx>you in TN?
11:39<@caker>damn ... time for a motorcycle ride!!
11:39<rafx>lucky bastad
11:39<rafx>!weather 60601
11:39<@linbot>rafx: The current temperature in Chicago, IL is 42\xB0F. Conditions: Light Fog. Humidity: 95%. Wind: ENE at 9 mph (14 km/h).
11:39<rafx>heh, that is warm for this time of year
11:40<rafx>any news on the intel cpu weirdness?
11:41<@caker>No. Honestly I don't expect it to be gone (for us) until we get rid of SKAS (iow: move to Xen)
11:41<@caker>However, I'm going to start queuing up host kernels compiled with different gcc versions
11:42<@caker>no one else on the planet, except perhaps for Newsome, experiences this problem on their boxes
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12:09<Newsome>it's an odd panic, that's for sure
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13:05<[|^__^|]>read-only filesystem *again*!
13:06<[|^__^|]>free(): invalid pointer 0x96efce8! swap_free: Bad swap file entry 80000008
13:06<[|^__^|]>swap_free: Unused swap offset entry 00000008
13:06<[|^__^|]>EXT3-fs error (device ubda): ext3_find_entry: bad entry in directory #186259: directory entry across blocks - offset=148588, inode=4075517, rec_len=21540, name_len=27
13:06<[|^__^|]>Aborting journal on device ubda.
13:06<[|^__^|]>ext3_abort called.
13:06<[|^__^|]>EXT3-fs error (device ubda): ext3_journal_start_sb: Detected aborted journal
13:06<[|^__^|]>Remounting filesystem read-only
13:07<[|^__^|]>trying to remount rw: mount: block device /dev/ubda is write-protected, mounting read-only
13:07<warewolf>what did you do
13:08<[|^__^|]>it happened last week too
13:08<warewolf>ok what did somebody do to YOU
13:09<[|^__^|]>that would be the question, warewolf
13:09<[|^__^|]>I fsck'd ubda
13:09<[|^__^|]>now I'm swapoffing ubdb
13:09<[|^__^|]>I'm gunna re-mkswap it
13:10<[|^__^|]>this is really unfortunate
13:10<[|^__^|]>and yet mikegrb said last time that there were no problems on the host
13:10<guinea-pig>i've never seen that
13:10<[|^__^|]>and I'm running the same 2.6 kernel as pretty much everyone else
13:13<[|^__^|]>I don't understand why this happens
13:13<guinea-pig>are you the only one?
13:14<Narada>hmm anyone got apache2 + php5 working on debian stable?
13:14<[|^__^|]>guinea-pig: I think so.
13:15<guinea-pig>i don't use apache. i use manchaug.
13:16<guinea-pig>local tribe
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13:16<guinea-pig>i use the manchaug liquor store
13:17<[|^__^|]>okay, I'm going to file a bug on this once I get everything running again
13:17<guinea-pig>i highly recommend such behaviour
13:18<[|^__^|]>here we go
13:19<[|^__^|]>oh god
13:19<[|^__^|]>I'm in PAM hell
13:19<[|^__^|]>Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 frotz tty0
13:19<[|^__^|]>frotz login: nick
13:19<[|^__^|]>Login incorrect
13:19<[|^__^|]>Login incorrect
13:19<[|^__^|]>Login incorrect
13:19<[|^__^|]>Login incorrect
13:19<[|^__^|]>Maximum number of tries exceeded (5)
13:19<[|^__^|]>debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,keyboard-interactive
13:19<[|^__^|]>debug1: Next authentication method: publickey
13:19<[|^__^|]>debug1: Offering public key: /home/nick/.ssh/id_dsa
13:19<[|^__^|]>debug1: Server accepts key: pkalg ssh-dss blen 434
13:19<[|^__^|]>Connection closed by
13:19[~][|^__^|] weeps
13:20<[|^__^|]>oh man
13:20<[|^__^|]>this is bad
13:20<[|^__^|]>and notice that cron hasn't started my irc sessions up
13:20<[|^__^|]>this is bad bad bad bad bad
13:20<Battousai>init=/bin/bash time
13:20<[|^__^|]>how thehell do you do that in a linode
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13:21<Battousai>edit the configuration profile
13:21<guinea-pig>new profile
13:21<Battousai>there's a few radios
13:21<Battousai>one of them says init=/bin/bash
13:21<guinea-pig>rescue partition?
13:22<[|^__^|]>I want to try rescue partition
13:22<[|^__^|]>like, use my swap
13:22<guinea-pig>work from elsewhere just in case
13:22<guinea-pig>rescue partition vs init=/bin/bash
13:23<guinea-pig>i've fucked myself over by not working from a seperate place
13:23<[|^__^|]>Okay, I'm working from Oakland
13:23<[|^__^|]>is that separate enough
13:23<guinea-pig>i don't remember. it was ages ago
13:23<Battousai>just do init=/bin/bash
13:23<[|^__^|]>so you don't actually know what you're advising me?
13:24<guinea-pig>yes. but no., heh
13:24[~][|^__^|] does single user mode first
13:24<warewolf>use finnix
13:24<warewolf>finnix is the rescue OS
13:24<warewolf>it's effectivly a CD image that your linode boots
13:24<[|^__^|]>warewolf: yeah, I'd like to use that in my swap partition if possible, but people are screaming shit at me that makes no sense
13:24<[|^__^|]>yeah, I know ryan finnie
13:25<[|^__^|]>and I also used to maintain the LNX-BBC
13:25<[|^__^|]>but I'm not sure how to use it without blowing away the wrong partition
13:25<[|^__^|]>I'll start with single-user mode on my existing partitions
13:25<warewolf>I think caker has finnix configured to "boot from cd" via the linode config panel thing, so it leaves your FS alone
13:25<[|^__^|]>well, I'm concerned about the UI
13:25<[|^__^|]>I don't want to make mistakes
13:26<[|^__^|]>the control panel
13:26<[|^__^|]>Give root password for maintenance
13:26<[|^__^|]>that does me a fat lot of good
13:27[~][|^__^|] reboots init=/bin/sh
13:27<[|^__^|]>Starting Postfix Mail Transport Agent: postfixawk: cmd. line:1: fatal: cannot open file `/etc/postfix/' for reading (Input/output error)
13:27<Battousai>uh oh
13:28<[|^__^|]>ROOT: [root@(none)(/etc/postfix)] # cat
13:28<[|^__^|]>cat: Input/output error
13:28<[|^__^|]>ROOT: [root@(none)(/etc/postfix)] # mount / -o remount,ro
13:28<[|^__^|]>ROOT: [root@(none)(/etc/postfix)] # mount
13:28<[|^__^|]>/dev/ubda on / type ext3 (rw)
13:28<[|^__^|]>ROOT: [root@(none)(/etc/postfix)] # cat
13:28<[|^__^|]>cat: Input/output error
13:29<[|^__^|]>caker: mikegrb ping
13:29<[|^__^|]>caker: mikegrb I need help to be sure that I am using finnix without blowing away the wrong partition
13:35<warewolf>[|^__^|]: are you dense?
13:35<warewolf>[|^__^|]: I said finnix uses a CD IMAGE
13:35<warewolf>[|^__^|]: it boots off the virtual CD IMAGE
13:36<[|^__^|]>and where does this CD IMAGE get stored, warewolf
13:36<[|^__^|]>because going through the profile manager
13:36<[|^__^|]>it looks like I need to select a ubd# to put it on
13:36<warewolf>create a new profile
13:36<warewolf>select the finnix kernel
13:36<warewolf>select udba = finnix iso
13:36<warewolf>select udbb = your OS
13:37<warewolf>shut down your linode
13:37<warewolf>switch profiles
13:37<warewolf>booth new profile
13:37<[|^__^|]>this seems risky to me
13:37[~]warewolf groans
13:37<[|^__^|]>I want someone less obnoxious to prove this to me
13:37<[|^__^|]>also, someone who doesn't misspell ubda/ubdb
13:37<Battousai>create a new configuration profile (manually)
13:38<Battousai>set kernel to "Recovery - Finnix"
13:38<warewolf>ok I'm /ignoring you now because you are obviously trolling. I know you're technically able to do this, and you're acting like a child.
13:38<Battousai>set /dev/ubda to "Recovery - Finnix"
13:38<Battousai>then click "Save Profile"
13:38<[|^__^|]>warewolf: please do. You have been condescending and unhelpful from the word go
13:39<[|^__^|]>okay, now I remember the days when it used to be that the rescue process was to overwrite your swap partition with a mini debian, see
13:39<[|^__^|]>so I want to make absolutely sure that this is simply a linking of the device name ubda to this finnix image
13:39<[|^__^|]>and not a blit of finnix all over my precious device
13:39<warewolf>[|^__^|]: I told you that was not the case 20 minutes ago.
13:40<Battousai>it's a seperate image completely
13:40<warewolf>[|^__^|]: politely, I might add. I stated that it was a virual CD image.
13:40<[|^__^|]>warewolf: please ignore me *now* and not later
13:40<[|^__^|]>and also, the word "virtual" is computerese for "not", so you know how much that means
13:40<[|^__^|]>Battousai: okay, thanks
13:41<[|^__^|]>Battousai: so should I also make my other partitions appear in that list?
13:41<[|^__^|]>bind them to ubdb and so on?
13:42<[|^__^|]>thanks, Battousai
13:42<[|^__^|]>here goes nothing
13:43<rafx> is flagging my test emails to myself with "X-YahooFilteredBulk:" -- my reverse dns matches mail server's fqdn and I'm all clear (not on RBLs) at -- any ideas?
13:44<Redgore>rafx: most likely down to their domain keys thing
13:44<warewolf>rafx: or something based in the body, try pasting something out of a web page for filler content.
13:45<warewolf>rafx: I've seen a lot of emails (junk) that have a single word in the body. Useless, and ineffective, but it's still spam. So a subject line of test, with a body of test might get flagged.
13:45<[|^__^|]>this won't boot
13:46<[|^__^|]>and of course the screen session dies clearing the screen
13:47[~][|^__^|] smashes
13:49<[|^__^|]>why the hell would I have trouble booting finnix?
13:50[~][|^__^|] explicitly marks root as ro
13:50<[|^__^|]>no, that didn't help
13:50<[|^__^|]>VFS: Mounted root (iso9660 filesystem) readonly.
13:50<[|^__^|]>Warning: unable to open an initial console.
13:50<[|^__^|]>Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel.
13:51<[|^__^|]>okay, let's try that mister finnie
13:51<[|^__^|]>Warning: unable to open an initial console.
13:51<[|^__^|]>Failed to execute /bin/bash. Attempting defaults...
13:51<[|^__^|]>Kernel panic - not syncing: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel.
13:51<[|^__^|]>bad news
13:52<[|^__^|]>unable to open an initial console?
13:53<guinea-pig>does finnix require a certain kernel?
13:53<[|^__^|]>I set the finnix kernel
13:53<[|^__^|]>and the finnix volume
13:53<[|^__^|]>I'm doing this all according to hoyle/battousai
13:54<[|^__^|]>Kernel command line: mem=320M fake_ide fakehd con=null con0=fd:0,fd:1 devfs=nomount root=/dev/ubda ubdar=/vbin/fs/finnix-86.1.iso ubdb=/linodes/zork/21818.fs eth0=tuntap,zork_0,fe:fd:46:55:81:c7 token_max=400000 token_refill=512 init=/bin/bash ro
13:56<[|^__^|]>Welcome to my world of PAIN
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13:56<guinea-pig>there's a finix initrd too
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13:57<guinea-pig>2) Select "Recovery - Finnix (kernel)" for the kernel
13:57<guinea-pig>3) Select "Recovery - Finnix (iso)" for /dev/ubda
13:57<guinea-pig>4) Select "Recovery - Finnix (initrd)" for the initrd (right below disk images)
13:57<guinea-pig>5) Add your disk images that you need to repair/mount from inside Finnix to the remaining /dev/ubd slots.
13:58<[|^__^|]>ah okay
13:58<[|^__^|]>the one step I was misisng
13:58<[|^__^|]>let's try that
13:58[~][|^__^|] sweats bullets
13:59<[|^__^|]>Welcome to Finnix for User Mode Linux!
14:00<[|^__^|]>root@tty0:/mnt/ubdb/etc# cat postfix/
14:00<[|^__^|]>cat: postfix/ Input/output error
14:01<guinea-pig>i thought you already established that
14:01<rafx>new spammer infesting today.
14:01<guinea-pig>rafx: i declined the cookies query, it redirected me to
14:02<[|^__^|]>root@tty0:~# fsck.ext3 -f /dev/ubdb
14:02<[|^__^|]>oh please oh please
14:03<guinea-pig>didn't you already have to fsck? maybe it's lost+found
14:03<[|^__^|]>it needed to be forced
14:03<[|^__^|]>it was quitting saying "I'm clean. Good job!"
14:03<[|^__^|]>but with -f it now gives me lots of craptrolla
14:03<[|^__^|]>Inode 10207, i_size is 405364648483767296, should be 0. Fix<y>? yes
14:03<[|^__^|]>Inode 10207, i_blocks is 65041408, should be 0. Fix<y>? yes
14:03<[|^__^|]>Inode 10208, i_blocks is 144712960, should be 0. Fix<y>? yes
14:03<[|^__^|]>Deleted inode 70873 has zero dtime. Fix<y>? yes
14:03<[|^__^|]>Inode 70874 is in use, but has dtime set. Fix<y>? yes
14:03<[|^__^|]>Inode 70874, i_blocks is 520093696, should be 0. Fix<y>? yes
14:04<guinea-pig>oh right right
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14:04<[|^__^|]>I'm hoping that this is the tempest in a teapot that larns me to get my backups going again
14:04<[|^__^|]>and not the utter destruction that makes me an object lesson in backup policy
14:05<[|^__^|]>I will also recommend that all linodes come with a finnix profile or other rescue profile by default
14:05<[|^__^|]>so you just hit the big red OMFG button and don't have to worry that you're shooting yourself in the foot
14:05[~]guinea-pig nods
14:05<[|^__^|]>it should also have ryan finnie's face
14:06<[|^__^|]>but at least I'm happy now that it's not necessarily something host-side
14:08<guinea-pig>did i ever tell you about the time i accidentally used dd of=/dev/hda instead of /dev/fd0?
14:08<[|^__^|]>that's nothing
14:08<[|^__^|]>you know about when Linus did that right?
14:08<[|^__^|]>he originally used linux just as a terminal program
14:08<[|^__^|]>so like he'd do "echo atdt >> /dev/sty1" or whatever
14:09<[|^__^|]>and at one point he did /dev/hda1 instead of /dev/sty1
14:09<[|^__^|]>and had to hand-poke his own superblock back in
14:09<[|^__^|]>sort of like the old favorites file thing really :)
14:09<guinea-pig>i just managed to lose the partition table, and /etc... data was still there, but the directory wasn't
14:09<[|^__^|]>lost+found city
14:10<guinea-pig>as long as i didn't reboot, i could restore .. heh
14:10<[|^__^|]>oh, partition table
14:10<guinea-pig>until linux started forgetting what the directory structure of /etc/ was and had to re-read it from disk
14:10<guinea-pig>yay for caches
14:11<[|^__^|]>I forget how you dump that out of haha
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14:24<chapterthree>anybody here intimately familar with postfix?
14:24<guinea-pig>evil evil evil
14:25<[|^__^|]>postfix r0x
14:27<chapterthree>i've got a strange configuration where i need postfix to forward all email sent to local recipients to another mail program that is running on the same machine, but i'm not sure how to set that up
14:28<chapterthree>what i mean is system generated messages, such as mysql email warnings/errors, or cron error email messages.
14:29<Redgore>procmail would most likely be the best way of doing that
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14:31<chapterthree>is that used in conjunction with postfix, or is it an mta replacement?
14:32<Redgore>its used in conjunction with postfix
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14:33<Narada>does have logo/banner that i can put on my site to support it?
14:33<[|^__^|]>my postfix configs were blown away by this corruption
14:34<chapterthree>oh yeah, and how can i generate a system message to test this? i tried creating a cron job with an invalid path, which i believe should send an email to me, but is there another way?
14:37<@caker>[|^__^|]: everything ok?
14:38<[|^__^|]>I've lost some mail
14:38<[|^__^|]>and lots of postfix setup data
14:38<[|^__^|]>and some user files
14:39<[|^__^|]>and lost+found is full of symlinks to that make me worry
14:39<[|^__^|]>it's as if everything that was open since the last crash just went bye-bye
14:39<@caker>host27's blocked procs is very high
14:39<guinea-pig>just peachy
14:39<[|^__^|]>I just did an fsck -f
14:39<[|^__^|]>but manually, so as not to roast through I/O so fast
14:40<@caker>Jan 2 15:42:38 host27 kernel: BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0!
14:40<@caker> ???
14:40<[|^__^|]>yeah well
14:40<efudd>deadlock. yay.
14:41<@caker>[|^__^|]: you just can't catch a break, it sames ...
14:41<[|^__^|]>I've lost enough data that I'm hurting, but some of it is replaceable
14:41<@caker>seems even
14:41<[|^__^|]>heh I know
14:41<[|^__^|]>I'm jinxed
14:41<guinea-pig>never put me on his host
14:42<[|^__^|]>I'm going to stay in finnix for a while I think
14:42[~]Redgore pats host 17
14:42<[|^__^|]>until I get my backups in
14:42<@caker>well, I submitted a reboot request to TP a few minute ago
14:42<@caker>takes them about 10-15 minutes or so usually
14:43<[|^__^|]>feel free to either close my ticket or conjoin it with
14:43<[|^__^|]>whatever this deadlock was
14:43<[|^__^|]>I'm going to go shopping for vegetables
14:43<guinea-pig>good diea
14:48<rafx>robots eat veggies?
14:58<@linbot>New news from forums: host27 BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0 in System and Network Status <>
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15:31<encode>caker: u there?
15:32<@caker>encode: yup
15:32<encode>did u read my pm sent a number of hours ago?
15:32[~]caker looks
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15:36<@caker>ok, brain fart .. what binary converts lines to arguments?
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15:50<D|AFK>Hiya - any idea on why host 28 just burped?
15:51<chapterthree>how can i enable cron logging?
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16:03<MrJohnK>Hi, I'm a linux-a-holic. I'm new to the therapy session...
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16:10<MrJohnK>I'd like to pass my complements to the activations guy who turned up my new linode at 11:30PM on 12/31/05. I really didn't expect anything to be working until today or tomorrow.
16:10<@mikegrb>no problem Mr K
16:11<MrJohnK>Sure is strange weather in TN today. Raining and almost 70 degrees. Wearing my shorts again...
16:12<@mikegrb>Ahh, you were the one from Cookeville?
16:12<MrJohnK>Maybe next time Chris passes through this area, we can catch up. He told me a couple of years ago that he would stop in on his way to Knox...
16:12[~]mikegrb has stayed in cookeville a number of times
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16:13<MrJohnK>What brings you to this area? I just live here.
16:13<MrJohnK>Not really much of a destination.
16:13<@mikegrb>I was stationed in Charleston, SC, cookeville was just inside the 500 mile limit that didn't require authorization
16:13<@mikegrb>my wife was in okc, so we would meet in cookeville on 3 day weekends
16:14<@mikegrb>I guess a few 2 day weekends too
16:14<MrJohnK>Ahh, now I see.
16:14<MrJohnK>More to see recently with all the new businesses coming to town.
16:15<@caker>MrJohnK: hello
16:15<MrJohnK>When I first got here, I started my own UML business that caught Chris' eye...since then I went and got a real job.
16:15<MrJohnK>Nice to see you C.
16:16<MrJohnK>So far so good with my linode. I've got a few kinks to work out, but it seems to be doing OK
16:17<MrJohnK>I see that UML still has that nasty random disconnect when you get distracted and come back.
16:17<MrJohnK>The console access is a nice backup that is much more stable, but breaks my Joe editor.
16:18<MrJohnK>From what I can tell, I ended up running in Fremont?
16:19<encode>what nasty random disconnect? i've not experienced any random disconnect using ssh
16:19<MrJohnK>I've remember that when I ran my own UML host. I still get it. Using putty
16:20<MrJohnK>encode: what client do you use?
16:20<encode>im using putty, connecting from australia to my linode in theplanet, over the past 8 months had very very few disconnects that werent related to my isp being its normal annoying self
16:21<guinea-pig>good point. isps can be stupid
16:21<encode>bigpond likes to force ip address changes at random intervals
16:21<MrJohnK>you ssh direct to your linode and not through the server console "screen" access from your linode host?
16:21<guinea-pig>MrJohnK: you mean lish?
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16:22<MrJohnK>I suppose. It looked like screen running during my login to the host.
16:22<MrJohnK>not read too much about lish...
16:24<MrJohnK>If my favorite editor worked better on host login through my console, I'd just firewall off 22/tcp from my linode all together.
16:25<MrJohnK>I hesitate to complain that the ISP is causing my random disconnects as that pretty well points the finger back at me.
16:26<MrJohnK>and I had a different ISP when I got here....
16:26<encode>MrJohnK: correct, i ssh directly to the ssh serving running on my linode
16:27<MrJohnK>Glad that works for you.
16:27<MrJohnK>I do what I need then log back out.
16:27<MrJohnK>If I want to maintain a connect, I connect via the host, then login.
16:27<encode>that would suck very much - i use my linode for irc and everything
16:27<MrJohnK>else it leaves a hanging bash session that I have to manually kill.
16:28<encode>do you use screen?
16:28<MrJohnK>Have not recently.
16:28<encode>maybe its an isp / internet configuration thing
16:28<MrJohnK>might have to start doing so to save my work between disconnects.
16:28<encode>have u tried it from an internet cafe or something
16:29<MrJohnK>No, not yet. All the ones I know use the same ISP.
16:29<MrJohnK>Maybe I can try it from work.
16:29<MrJohnK>on our corporate LAN as well as through the DSL in my office.
16:29<MrJohnK>see if there is any difference.
16:30<MrJohnK>Another thing that I have not checked yet is if there is an idle disconnect on sshd.
16:32<encode>i dont see any idle disconnect options in my config file
16:32<encode>which distro are u using?
16:32<MrJohnK>which one are you on?
16:32<Narada>enable keepalives in putty
16:32<MrJohnK>hmmm, let me go look for that option.
16:33<MrJohnK>sounds like a good idea
16:34<MrJohnK>where might one find that option?
16:34<encode>in the connection settings
16:34<encode>"Seconds between keepalives (0 to turn off)"
16:35<encode>mine is set to 0
16:35<Narada>it is in two places
16:35<MrJohnK>found it. set it to 5. seems resonable?
16:36<Narada>no set to 1 or 2 minutes
16:37<Narada>you can't be telling me your linode disconnects every 5 seconds
16:38<MrJohnK>nope, more like every 2-3 minutes I think. Not really sure since, well I'm not using it at the time.
16:38<MrJohnK>I'll 120 seconds and see what happens.
16:38<Narada>there's another option called enable tcp keepalives in "Connection"
16:39<Narada>which i normally enable too
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16:39<MrJohnK>OK, I'll check that one too.
16:40<MrJohnK>I'm sure that will take care of it. Thanks again for the help guys.
16:42<MrJohnK>I'll curb my desire to block ssh out for now, although I still see it as a potential security risk.
16:42<MrJohnK>I prefer to have no locks on the doors instead of just really good passwords.
16:42<guinea-pig>wouldn't it be better to have no doors at all? :P
16:42<MrJohnK>that too
16:44<Narada>anyone recommend a nice simple wiki; what do you guys use other than mediawiki
16:46<MrJohnK>I don't know much about wikis, just wookies
16:46<guinea-pig>wookies got cooties
16:47<Narada>yeah ... thanks for that
16:47<MrJohnK>I got cooties too according to my offspring.
16:48<guinea-pig>my cooties have their own offspring.
16:49<MrJohnK>got to go. my offspring are getting restless. have a good evening all.
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17:06<fo0bar>caker: ping
17:06<@caker>fo0bar: pong
17:07<fo0bar>root@tty0:~# rsync -avzP -e ssh /mnt/ubdc/bin
17:07<fo0bar>rsync: pipe: Address family not supported by protocol (97)
17:07<fo0bar>rsync error: error in IPC code (code 14) at pipe.c(55)
17:07<fo0bar>^^^ finnix/linode kernel
17:07<fo0bar>I'm suspecting this has something to do with your pruning on that kernel
17:07[~][|^__^|] is doing tar/ssh pipery
17:07<[|^__^|]>because I can't rsync data off
17:08<[|^__^|]>15:07 <@sneakums> leaving out unix domain sockets is a bit extreme
17:08<@caker>I kinda doubt I did that
17:08[~]caker checks
17:08<[|^__^|]>grep for it in /proc/net/protocols
17:08<[|^__^|]>it ain't there
17:09<@caker>CONFIG_UNIX is not set ... damn.
17:09<[|^__^|]>I shall survive
17:09<[|^__^|]>but it was one more shock added to a pretty tiring morning
17:09<@caker>[|^__^|]: what's going on/what happened besides the softlockup?
17:10<[|^__^|]>well, the softlockup happened after I had successfully forced an fsck (fsck deciding to report "OMFG UR KLEEN d00d" erroneously)
17:10<[|^__^|]>that fsck said a lot of stuff like "File /really/important/thing/you/really/need points to a deleted inode. clear?"
17:10<[|^__^|]>and lost+found is only half helpful
17:11<[|^__^|]>the lost files number in the dozens
17:11<[|^__^|]>but lost+found has a lot of rather scary entries
17:11<[|^__^|]>like symlinks to
17:11<[|^__^|]>and lots of elf binaries
17:11<internat>so i guess ur reinstalling
17:11<[|^__^|]>pretty much
17:11<internat>bugga :/
17:11<[|^__^|]>I'm going to get some basic backups now
17:11<[|^__^|]>just the essentials: /etc, mail, etc
17:11<internat>my box does a rdiff backup daily now
17:11<[|^__^|]>yeah mine used to
17:12<@caker>any clue as to what initiated this all, besides when you finally got the "went readonly" error?
17:12<[|^__^|]>but the machine it backed up to was SUPER NOISY
17:12<[|^__^|]>caker: no f'in idea
17:12<[|^__^|]>although I suspect
17:12<fo0bar>[|^__^|]: oh, were you backing it up to gaspar?
17:12<[|^__^|]>that somewhere in all my crashings and migrations
17:12<Narada>/dev/ubd/disc0: unknown partition table
17:12<@caker>odd .. as far as I can see, nothing on the host caused this (ie: disk full)
17:12<@caker>it's got 60G free
17:12<[|^__^|]>fo0bar: yeah, I have an old gaspar backup
17:12<[|^__^|]>anyway, somewhere in all my past troubles
17:12<[|^__^|]>filesystem corruption happened
17:12<@caker>right .. that sounds most likely at the moment
17:12<[|^__^|]>yet fsck just went "K THX UR Good"
17:13<[|^__^|]>which puts me in the stabbing mood
17:13<internat>*slowly steps backwards*
17:13[~]caker bends over
17:13<fo0bar>caker: also, I need some stuff from you re: marvell when you have a minute
17:13[~][|^__^|] pushes internat over caker in a classic slapstick routine
17:14<[|^__^|]>anyway, today I've gone from OMFG EVERYTHING IS GONE GONE GONE GONE GONE
17:14<[|^__^|]>to "oh hangon wait..."
17:14<@caker>WHY is menuconfig so difficult to find shit, even with the search
17:14<[|^__^|]>to "oh, I guess a few things are goney von gonerson"
17:14<fo0bar>menuconfig has search?
17:14<@caker>hell yeah
17:14<@caker>---> /
17:14<internat>yeah i was thinking the same thing.. it has a search?
17:14<[|^__^|]>so my outlook is much improved over the gnashing of teeth earlier
17:15<internat>im so glad for my rdiff-backup.. not that im sure how to use it in reverse but im sure i tcant be too hard
17:15<@caker>Pressing <Y> includes, <N> excludes, <M> modularizes features. Press <Esc><Esc> to exit, <?> for
17:15<@caker>Help, </> for Search. Legend: [*] built-in [ ] excluded <M> module < > module capable
17:15<fo0bar>I've gone back to editing .config files and running oldconfig. If it's a simple change, you have about an 80% chance of it accepting your change and asking for answers to cascading changes
17:15<@caker>ok, unix sockets enabeld .. fo0bar: anything else I should add?
17:15<fo0bar>(the other 20%, it just ignores your change)
17:16<fo0bar>caker: not that I know of. [|^__^|]?
17:16<[|^__^|]>that's the big one I ran up against
17:17<[|^__^|]>internat: I've used it in reverse. For the common case you just copy out the files and rsync 'em over
17:17<internat>kewl.. i was hoping it would be that sympol
17:17<[|^__^|]>internat: for the harder case it takes some wrestling, as it builds huge patchsets in /tmp, but it's good in a pinch
17:17<@caker>fo0bar: ok, compiling .. what's up with SATA_MV?
17:17<Narada>hmm my linode just died for the second time and i don't know why
17:17<@caker>Narada: logsview via lish
17:18<internat>yeah well the only things i really care about are /etc /home and /root
17:18<internat>but i back up eveyrthing anyway
17:18<[|^__^|]>that's funny
17:18<@caker>Narada: which username?
17:18<Narada>it's excrutiatingly slow as well
17:18<[|^__^|]>who the hell keeps anything in /root?
17:18<Narada>caker: dhruba
17:18<[|^__^|]>is this the 80s and I missed the big hair?
17:18<internat>i think i keep most of my custom debs there
17:18<[|^__^|]>I keep mine in my homedir
17:19<[|^__^|]>fakeroot dpkg-buildpkg etc
17:19<@caker>can't get to any of the HE nodes
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17:19<[|^__^|]>fakeroot is superb for building debs without running the risk of being root
17:19<internat>pretty much my debs, and my ssl certiifcated
17:19<Narada>caker: is it likely that this is not a problem at my end?
17:19<internat>i think im at tp..
17:19<@caker>ok, they're back
17:19<Narada>caker: because i have not changed anything here
17:20<internat>tp here
17:21<fo0bar>name HE
17:22<fo0bar>err damn
17:22<fo0bar>caker: #1, have you tried finnix 86.1 with one of those boxes? sata_mv was included with 2.6.14
17:23<fo0bar>caker: I'm guessing it didn't automatically find it, which leads to #2, I need pci info from one of those boxes
17:23<@caker>fo0bar: odd, I don't see it in, and no
17:23<@caker>fo0bar: ok, not where I can get to that box atm, but I'll try it and give you the info this week
17:24<fo0bar>ok. lspci, lspci -vv and lspci -vvn would be the most helpful
17:24<fo0bar>should I email you a reminder?
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17:27<fo0bar>ok. I'm *hoping* 2.6.15 comes out this week, and that and this are the only things that are outstanding
17:27<@caker>fo0bar / [|^__^|]: deployed the new finnix kernel w/ sockets to all the hosts
17:29<fo0bar>oh cool, it's snowing
17:29<fo0bar>it's been raining for the last 3 days, just because it was hovering around 38
17:29<@caker>[|^__^|]: it's odd that your system thought BOTH the swap and ubda images had problemsd
17:30<[|^__^|]>I actually re-did a mkswap on the swap
17:30<@caker>that swap wasn't on ubda was it (as a file)?
17:30<[|^__^|]>it was ubdb
17:30<encode>10:24 <+Modes> i think most ppl here are geeks :P
17:30<encode>10:24 * majbour puts his hand up
17:30<encode>oh whoops, sorry guys
17:30<encode>damn right click pasting
17:31<[|^__^|]>okay, backing up www and then it's time to try an optimistic reboot
17:31<[|^__^|]>maybe I'll try putting some of those lost+found files back first
17:31<[|^__^|]>some look important
17:32<[|^__^|]>the symlinks
17:32<[|^__^|]>I'll use another system to try and find their proper locations
17:32<@caker>is there an app that helps with that?
17:32<@caker>lost+found is a PITA
17:32<[|^__^|]>yeah I know
17:32<[|^__^|]>I'm going to do manual
17:32<[|^__^|]>oh yeah caker
17:33<[|^__^|]>I'm kind of backing this stuff up to a certain beta instance
17:33[~]fo0bar goes to make sure his cromulent rsync backups have been working for the last month or so
17:33<@caker>[|^__^|]: perfect
17:33<[|^__^|]>quickest net access, you see
17:33<guinea-pig>time is of the essence
17:33<@caker>lemme know if you need an token fix
17:33<[|^__^|]>no, I'm good there
17:34<fo0bar>44K -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 43K 2006-01-02 06:56 cromulent-lastrun.log
17:34<[|^__^|]>but there's enough space on the other system to *just* hold the critical stuff and still have a little breathing room
17:34<[|^__^|]>so I'm good
17:34<@caker>yeah, that too -- just let me know
17:34<[|^__^|]>thanks, man
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17:34<@caker>You've seriously had back luck here .. I feel bad
17:35<[|^__^|]>it all builds up too
17:36<guinea-pig>some might say karma for your crack mischief
17:36<guinea-pig>some might say those people are stupid
17:49<fo0bar>for i in /var/lib/apt/lists/*.*; do echo -n >$i; done; apt-get check
17:49<fo0bar>^^^ heh
17:49<encode>what does that do?
17:49<[|^__^|]>oh yeah
17:49<[|^__^|]>I was thinking of doing something similar
17:50<[|^__^|]>but I was going to use dpkg --get-selections or something
17:50<dopey>encode: empties all those files
17:50<fo0bar>encode: gets rid of all the data in the local apt-repository, but still makes apt think it knows about those repos
17:50<fo0bar>"a good way to save 20MB"
17:50<[|^__^|]>oh heh
17:50<[|^__^|]>sweet, backed up with a gig to spare
17:51<fo0bar>I'm going to that before shipping out finnix 86.2
17:51<[|^__^|]>not everything, but enough
17:51<fo0bar>nifty, should save about 4.5MB
17:51<fo0bar>(of iso size)
17:52[~][|^__^|] hugs fo0bar
17:52[~][|^__^|] hugs caker
17:52<[|^__^|]>and you, mikegrb! I'll miss you most of all!
17:52[~][|^__^|] clicks his heels three times, and...
17:53<fo0bar>14:44 <@[|^__^|]> fo0bar: I hope you have enough blood to replace the tears of baby jesus
17:53<fo0bar>it's amazing what can change in an hour :)
17:53<[|^__^|]>actually, I just remembered that I was going to try and put some of the lost+found back first
17:53<@caker>[|^__^|]: want some extra space on that linode to make a keep of your image for a while?
17:54<[|^__^|]>caker: is there some easy way to do that?
17:54<@caker>[|^__^|]: yes .. there's an image dupe function in the LPM
17:54<[|^__^|]>That may be the in
17:54<[|^__^|]>the win
17:54<@caker>how much you need?
17:54<[|^__^|]>although I have two accounts
17:54<[|^__^|]>well for an image dupe?
17:55<@caker>yeah, or whatever you're up to :)
17:55<[|^__^|]>I'd happily scrap the other linode's data
17:55<@caker>your call
17:55<[|^__^|]>tell me more about this image dupe
17:55<[|^__^|]>it just makes a copy of one whole linode to another, yes?
17:55<@caker>I add +16G to your account space, you click on the disk images tab and select it from a drop down, then click Duplicate
17:56<[|^__^|]>I see
17:56<[|^__^|]>yes, that would be most helpful
17:56<[|^__^|]>many thanks!
17:56<@caker>ok, 16G enough, or need bigger?
17:56<fo0bar>48512 extents written (94 MB)
17:56<[|^__^|]> 18176 MB, ext3, readonly: No
17:56<[|^__^|]>that's what I have in my image
17:57<@caker>ok, added 20G just to make life easier
17:57[~][|^__^|] bows and scrapes
17:57<@caker>you'll need to logout/in to see it
17:57<fo0bar>new kernel, more functionality, more packages, etc, etc... 5MB smaller
17:58<fo0bar>the problem with this is people may start to EXPECT finnix to get smaller and smaller with each release
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17:58<@caker>host27 df -h
17:58<@caker>Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
17:58<@caker>/dev/md0 274G 201G 59G 78% /
17:59<fo0bar>caker: do you still use sparse files (I know you're not oversubscribing, but I think you were using them anyways at one point?)
18:00<@caker>but if you migrate, that goes away .. and I had problems with rsync when I moved migrations to use it
18:01<[|^__^|]>caker: did you even use the --use-sparse option to rsync?
18:01<[|^__^|]>it's not part of -a
18:01<[|^__^|]>it's like -S or something
18:01<@caker>[|^__^|]: yeah, that was one of two reasons I wanted to use rsync --- other reason was to pre-migrate the image file, and then the real migration would only take seconds
18:01<[|^__^|]>it caught me by surprise once
18:02<@caker>that didn't work, cause it essentially had to parse the file on both ends anyway
18:02<@caker>which ate up IO
18:02<[|^__^|]>you churn IO/CPU
18:02<@caker>and sucked up network too
18:02<JasonF>what are sparse files?
18:02<[|^__^|]>JasonF: in Unix if you open a file, write some stuff, then skip ahead a bunch and write some stuff, it's smart enough to figure out that it doesn't need to eat up disk space storing all the zero data in between
18:02<@caker>JasonF: files that are allocated to a certain size, but don't occupy all the space until they're used
18:02<[|^__^|]>database files use it a lot
18:02<fo0bar>rsync -avzP -e ssh --numeric-ids --no-blocking-io --delete
18:02<fo0bar>^^^ ahh, the great rsync dance
18:03[~][|^__^|] relaxes while the job queue works on his image clone
18:03<[|^__^|]>maybe I'll go buy some chocolate
18:03<fo0bar>JasonF: 7.3G -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 25G 2006-01-02 16:01 os.img
18:04<fo0bar>25G file, but only 7.3G actually used on the disk
18:04<internat>thats awsome
18:04<internat>god i love unix at times :)
18:04<@caker>[|^__^|]: what's your plan, out of curiosity? Try to ressurect the damaged FS, while keeping the old copy safe?
18:05<[|^__^|]>essentially, I have three images now:
18:05<[|^__^|]>1: the original ubda
18:05<internat>apt- needs a repair feature
18:05<[|^__^|]>2: the new ubdc copy which is a godsend
18:05<[|^__^|]>3: my months-old backup here at home
18:06<[|^__^|]>so my plan is to attempt getting ubda up and running
18:06<[|^__^|]>see if it's just a few missing links and some dpkg reinstall magic
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18:06<@caker>ok good
18:06<[|^__^|]>and maybe a yank of some config files from home
18:06<[|^__^|]>barring that
18:06<[|^__^|]>it's a reinstall on ubda, with rips from ubdc and home
18:06<[|^__^|]>but I'm hoping not to need that
18:07<[|^__^|]>at any rate, I hope to not need ubdc for long
18:07<@caker>personally, I'd feel safe that after a full fsck that the integrity of the image would be sound
18:08<[|^__^|]>the fsck -f kind of opened my eyes
18:08<internat>i dont think ive ever done fsck -f :/
18:08<[|^__^|]>I think I'll do that next time just by force of habit
18:08<[|^__^|]>okay, I'm off to shop again
18:08<@caker>If it's a Linode system, resize by 1M or so -- it performs an fsck -f on the image before the resize .. that'll save you from running up against the limiter
18:09<@caker>also, resizing BIGGER takes no time -- resizing down takes a while
18:09<@caker>(both fsck -f)
18:10<JasonF>[|^__^|]: what happened
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18:31<[|^__^|]>JasonF: oh, I had been on some bad-luck hosts in the past, and I never properly ran fsck to fix any filesystem corruption, and it all sort of caught up with me this week
18:32<[|^__^|]>that is, I ran fsck, but never fsck -f
18:32<[|^__^|]>okay, we are in success land
18:32<internat>its fixed?
18:32<[|^__^|]>let's start hacking on ubda
18:32<[|^__^|]>it's backed up
18:32<[|^__^|]>Status Success
18:33<[|^__^|]>aha, these crazy symlinks are from /lib/security/
18:35<internat>only important stuff
18:53<internat>when ppl are bored and have some time, have a look at and tell me what im missing
18:54<@caker>I picked up an iPod Nano today :)
18:54<[|^__^|]>libpam-modules is a pretty key package in this mess...
18:56[~][|^__^|] reinstalls libpam-modules
18:56<internat>nice :)
18:57<internat>what do u think of it caker ? im told the screens are really easy to damage
18:57<@caker>internat: I bought this to compensate for that
18:57<@caker>the things are really really cool, IMO -- audio quality is pretty damn good
18:58<@caker>interface is so easy to use
18:58<internat>nice :)
18:58<internat>do u have a mac? or are u using it with itunes on windows
18:58<@caker>I have both
18:58<internat>ah, me too :)
18:58<@caker>I have an oldish tibook
18:59<@caker>bunch of other apple equipment, but that remains in the closet unused
18:59<@caker>actually .. /me uploads some pics
18:59<internat>ah ok, i bought a 12" powerbook about 6 monoths ago
18:59<internat>i use it more then my dell laptop.. mainly cause this one is so small, and im not tempted to play games on it :)
19:00<internat>thats what my bed room looked like at the end of uni last semster with all the computers
19:02[~][|^__^|] reboots into ubda
19:02<internat>its changed a bit now.. i have a 17" lcd in the middle.. and my wifi router has left the room, and my dell laptop has a spot next to the computer, and i have akvm to clean up half the mess
19:02<internat>i need a 4 port kvm :/
19:04<@caker>that isnug case came with a little clear static-stick on thing for the nano ...
19:04<@caker>that plus the two cases should protect it fairly well :)
19:05<@caker> <-- pics of an Apple Network Server that used to serve some of and
19:05<@caker>the last photo is of the internal "Apple Inventory" sticker, but it's out of focus
19:06<internat>auctioned off stuff?
19:06<@caker>I got it because I did some work for the woman who used to run that devision -- she needed files off it
19:06<@caker>So ... she *shipped* it to me to retrieve the files, and it was my payment
19:07<@caker>took me all of about 20 minutes to hack my way into it (no root pass) -- oh, it ran AIX btw
19:08<@caker>apple used to run an Enhanced-CD portal, and that's what she wanted off it
19:08<@caker>pretty interesting content of that filesystem, too ..
19:08<internat>ah ok
19:08<internat>i imagine it would be
19:09<internat>i imagine u would spend a bit of time looking arround at that one
19:09<@caker>there's also a pic of my ancient 6100 from my skooling
19:09<@caker>I used to make overclocking-chips for the x100 series .. I called them the Chris Clip
19:10<[|^__^|]>okay, single-user mode works
19:10<[|^__^|]>it even knows root's password
19:10<[|^__^|]>thanks to my pre-emptive reinstall of libpam-modules
19:10<@caker>from 66Mhz to about 72Mhz (the best I ever got on a 6100)
19:10<@caker>hmm .. I have a 9500 somewhere, too .. /me wonders where that is
19:11<@caker>[|^__^|]: cool
19:11<[|^__^|]>yeah, it helped
19:11<encode>internat: are you pretty happy with your 12" powerbook?
19:11<encode>i've been thinking of getting one for a while
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19:12<@caker>I'm going to wait until Mactel lappys arrive, methinks
19:12[~][|^__^|] hugs SupaZubon
19:12<encode>but revision 1 stuff made by apple always has big flaws
19:12[~]SupaZubon hugs caker
19:13<@caker>SupaZubon: wb
19:13<SupaZubon>okay, now to actually get the software working right
19:13<SupaZubon>postfix is the notable problem
19:13<@caker>SupaZubon: how screwed is the fs?
19:13<SupaZubon>well, minimally, I think
19:13<SupaZubon>I'll never know for sure
19:13<SupaZubon>which is the real devil of it
19:13<SupaZubon>but if I go on the hope that all damage was represented in my fsck...
19:14<SupaZubon>then I'm looking at some lost mail, lost user dotfile or two, and some missing conf files in /etc/
19:14<SupaZubon>which should be repairable
19:14<internat>yeah i like it :)
19:14<SupaZubon> 1719 root 15 0 8048 640 536 S 7.8 0.2 0:10.49 rngd
19:14<SupaZubon>^-- still weird
19:15<internat>what is that command?
19:15<SupaZubon>it's the random number wotzit
19:15<guinea-pig>rnf... random?
19:15<[|^__^|]>so the thing that could really help out here
19:15<[|^__^|]>is that I think I put a copy of my postfix configs on another server
19:16<[|^__^|]>but that server vanished off the net
19:16<[|^__^|]>so I'm kind of gnashing teeth there
19:16<internat>have u got a backup mx?
19:18<guinea-pig>omg you don't
19:20<[|^__^|]>hell no
19:20<[|^__^|]>backup MXes are lame
19:21<internat>until ur mail server goes offline ;)
19:21<[|^__^|]>they're just a way for spammers to make an end-run around you
19:21<[|^__^|]>internat: mail redelivers for FIVE DAYS
19:21<guinea-pig>mmm, true
19:21<[|^__^|]>and adding an MX does not extend that
19:21<internat>my backup mx has better spam protection then i do :/
19:24<fo0bar>my backup mx at work does greylisting and has a special spamassassin score (artificially inflates everything), UNLESS it determines the primary MX is down, at which case it becomes "normal"
19:25<[|^__^|]>that's cool
19:27<internat>i figure if i break my linode pretty badly, ic ould easily takie 5 days to fix.. so having a backup, is well worth it
19:28<internat>if i have to deal with extra spam.. so be it
19:28<Battousai>see i'm the opposite
19:28<Battousai>i figure that i'm way too lazy to break my linode or keep a backup
19:28<internat>a backup mx that is
19:28<internat>not a backup of my liniode :P
19:28<Battousai>well either way
19:28<internat>i have a backup of my linode :)
19:28<internat>rdiff for the win
19:28<Battousai>what'll whowen
19:29<Battousai>great show
19:29<internat>annoyed me no end when i could work out why it stopped rdiffing after the host crashed
19:29<internat>stupid me enabled disablerootlogins in ssh, but forgot to restart ssh
19:29<[|^__^|]>rdiff-backup is teh win
19:29<[|^__^|]>to be sure
19:29<internat>so when the host crashed it was restarted
19:29<[|^__^|]>I just need to get back to using it
19:29<internat>and then my rdiff script wouldnt login cause root logins had been disabled :/
19:29<[|^__^|]>le sigh
19:30<Battousai>oui oui, ho ho ho
19:30<internat>took me ages to work out why that was happening
19:30<[|^__^|]>dammit, where's tastytronic...
19:32<guinea-pig>i got hungry
19:32<guinea-pig>oh fuck
19:32[~]guinea-pig goes to sleep
19:32<internat>mmm food
19:32<guinea-pig>snow's coming much earlier than expected... g'nite!
19:39<[|^__^|]>I didn't lose my
19:39<[|^__^|]>just my
19:42<[|^__^|]>um, and my aliases
19:43<rafx>rdiff-backup and rsnashot are pretty nice
19:43<rafx>rsnapshot that is
19:45<internat>yeah i have rdiffbackup
19:46<[|^__^|]>the only real problem with rdiff-backup is that you have to have your versions exactly the same
19:46<[|^__^|]>which may become less of a problem as time goes on
19:47<internat>what do u mean?
19:47<[|^__^|]>rdiff-backup works best with two systems
19:48<internat>asin a source and destination?
19:48<[|^__^|]>each system has to have the exact same verison of rdiff-backup, or it just exits and says "upgrade one side"
19:48<internat>oh right.. both comptuers of mine are running debian testing :)
19:48<internat>so they should both always have the same versions
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20:04<@caker> <-- Dad just sent me that (mac guy)
20:29<@mikegrb>that thing is huge
20:35<@mikegrb>I don't think I've ever had the same version of rdiff-backup on each end
20:35<@linbot>New news from wiki: AppInfo: screen <>
20:35<@linbot>New news from forums: Bind Help or Tutorial in Linux Networking <> || Problem with removing postfix in Email/SMTP Related Forum <> || How much should I trust a registrar? in General Discussion <> || host27 BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0 in System and Network Status <
20:36<@mikegrb>it was only a problemn for me about a month before the current ubuntu release, as the version in sid was too new for it, otherwise it just says that certain things like resouce forks comming from a mac might not work right
20:45<@caker>[|^__^|]: any chance your .mc files are still around?
20:45<@caker>I don't even know what's in -- my .cf setup is all one file
21:16<[|^__^|]>caker: .mc?
21:16<[|^__^|]>[nick@frotz(/etc/postfix)] ls *.mc
21:16<[|^__^|]>ls: *.mc: No such file or directory
21:17<@caker>[|^__^|]: aren't those the m4 files that the .cf files are created from?
21:17<[|^__^|]>in sendmail maybe
21:17<@caker>ok, never mind me then.
21:17<[|^__^|]>it's just a historical naming convention in postfix :)
21:17<[|^__^|]>but yeah
21:17<[|^__^|]> has all the real work in it
21:17[~]mikegrb snickers
21:17<@caker>I just realized you said postfix about 4 times
21:17<@mikegrb>[21:17] <@caker> ok, never mind me then.
21:17[~]mikegrb never does
21:17<[|^__^|]> just has simple stuff like "SMTP IS HERE ON THE INTERNET IN PORT 25"
21:17[~]mikegrb runs away
21:17<@caker>mikegrb: har
21:17<[|^__^|]>happy new year, mikegrb
21:18<@mikegrb>happy new year
21:18<[|^__^|]>happy leap second!
21:18<encode>it is? i hadnt noticed
21:18<[|^__^|]>encode: OMFG it is 2006
21:18<encode>haha @ happy leap second
21:18<[|^__^|]>my T'khasi Orion is already 4 years old
21:18[~]caker considers upgrading linbot
21:18<encode>[|^__^|]: i realise its a new year, the happy bit is the part im unsure of
21:19[~][|^__^|] transwarps in and pods encode
21:19<encode>oh gn0es! i've been pod'ed
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21:29<encode>haha @ upgrading to linbot2006
21:29<encode>and [|^__^|], board away
21:29[~][|^__^|] inserts the docking tube into encode's entry passage
21:29[~]encode sets his out of office reply and goes on holidays while [|^__^|] boards whatever he was going to board
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22:35<warewolf>transwarps in and pods?
22:35<warewolf>telnet:// <-- tradewars server
22:36<warewolf>I don't think anyone has played in forever though
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22:43<@linbot2006>caker: AcronymFinder, Admin, Alias, Amazon, Anonymous, Babelfish, BadWords, Channel, Config, Currency, CyborgName, Debian, Dict, Dunno, Ebay, Filter, Format, Games, Google, Herald, Insult, Internet, Lart, Later, Linux, Memo, Misc, News, Nickometer, Note, Owner, Plugin, Praise, Quote, RSS, Rhyme, RootWarner, Scheduler, Seen, Services, ShrinkUrl, Sourceforge, Status, Stock, String, Success, Supybot, Time, Topic, (1 more message)
22:43<@linbot2006>caker: URL, Unix, User, Utilities, Weather, Web, and Webopedia
22:43<@caker>infobot is broken :(
22:44<encode>wow, that was a long upgrade
22:44<encode>did you have to recompile everything
22:44<[|^__^|]>has been for eons
22:44<[|^__^|]>the infobot guys are a laugh riot
22:45<[|^__^|]>the supybot guys are hilarious
22:45<[|^__^|]>they list supybot as an infobot replacement
22:45<[|^__^|]>and so you ask them "exactly how?"
22:45<[|^__^|]>and they say "oh who cares about that, it's way broken"
22:45<warewolf>use flooterbuck infobot
22:45<[|^__^|]>that's not much better
22:45<warewolf>you've used it?
22:45<[|^__^|]>we have an ancient infobot that would need migration
22:46<warewolf>what didn't you like about it?
22:46<[|^__^|]>I forget exactly, but trying to migrate a whole dataset reminded me that people who reimplement infobot tend to forget a few things
22:46<[|^__^|]>also, one of the reasons to move away from infobot itself was to ditch perl entirely
22:47<warewolf>to each his own, I guess.
22:47<[|^__^|]>don't get me wrong
22:47<[|^__^|]>Perl's no Java
22:48<[|^__^|]>but it's not my favorite language
22:48<warewolf>and Java isn't the end-all of languages either. The most suited language for the job is the one that is most appropriate.
22:48<[|^__^|]>you big ol' pragmatist you
22:48<[|^__^|]>with your malfunctioning /ignore
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23:08<@linbot2006>New news from forums: Someone setup a ftp site on my linode. in General Discussion
23:09<[|^__^|]>linbot2006: hold me!
23:09<@linbot2006>[|^__^|]: Error: "hold" is not a valid command.
23:09[~]warewolf reads forums
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23:28<warewolf>oh sweet
23:28<warewolf>dude's letting me download his webserver logs to figure out how he got owned
23:28[~]warewolf loves doing this stuff
23:29<warewolf>yeah he found the rootkot
23:34<@mikegrb>my favorite was finding the stuff in /dev/shm/.../
23:35<warewolf><h1>fukkin SHEL PRIVATE! old</h1>
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