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00:03<warewolf>sweet, a few new people on RML
00:04<warewolf>46 total
00:04<warewolf>anyone have any thoughts/suggestions for RateMyLinode?
00:05<[|^__^|]>Checking all file systems...
00:05<[|^__^|]>fsck 1.37 (21-Mar-2005)
00:06<[|^__^|]>that didn't look like a fsck -f
00:06<[|^__^|]>it finished awfully quickly...
00:07[~][|^__^|] runs a manual one
00:07<warewolf>I usually (on really badly corrupted filesysems) run fsck -cfy -C0
00:08<warewolf>-c says check for bad blocks, -f is force (as you know) and -y is auto-reply yes. -C0 makes it display a progress bar, which most distros use in initscripts.
00:08<@mikegrb> <-- youwish
00:08[~]mikegrb runs away
00:08<[|^__^|]>that's pretty much what I do
00:08<[|^__^|]>but this is something I thought my init scripts would handle
00:09<warewolf>you touched /forcefsck?
00:10<warewolf>didn't you run fsck -f on it before and have it correct all the problems?
00:10<warewolf>it's still going bonkers?
00:10<[|^__^|]>no it's not
00:10<[|^__^|]>but we were rebooted today
00:11<[|^__^|]>and I want to do an fsck -f after crash reboots like that
00:11<[|^__^|]>because apparently they weren't happening before
00:11<warewolf>it should repair the journal on boot and restore the FS to a consistant state automaticlaly
00:11<[|^__^|]>It really should.
00:11<[|^__^|]>The fact that it didn't is crazymaking.
00:12<[|^__^|]>hence my obsessive-compulsive fsck -f
00:12<warewolf>did you see anything about the journal being corrupt?
00:12<[|^__^|]>but I had been hard-crashed and migrated and rebooted several ways from sunday in my time with linode
00:12<[|^__^|]>I was on a pretty bad-luck host for a while
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09:49<dddd44>hello i need help .. is there a way to see what website user trying to access in my office?? my internet using router.. anyone??
09:50<@mikegrb>dddd44: I think you've got the wrong channel, as you've been told at least 10 times
09:53<@caker>hmm .. factoids--
09:54<@caker>!learn Lish as allows you to perform certain actions without having to log into the LPM. Lish's primary function is to allow you access to your server's console, even if networking is disabled.
09:54<linbot>caker: The operation succeeded.
09:54<linbot>caker: Error: "lish?" is not a valid command.
09:54<@caker>!list factoids
09:54<linbot>caker: change, forget, info, learn, lock, random, search, unlock, and whatis
09:55<@caker>!whatis lish?
09:55<linbot>caker: Error: No factoid matches that key.
09:55<@caker>!whatis lish
09:55<linbot>caker: "lish" could be allows you to perform certain actions without having to log into the LPM. Lish's primary function is to allow you access to your server's console, even if networking is disabled.
09:55<@caker>linbot: hi
09:55<linbot>caker: Error: "hi" is not a valid command.
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10:01<@mikegrb>[10:01] |-| 4 - #linode: ban *!*
10:01<@mikegrb>^ was specifically for them
10:01<weasel>dddd44 isn't using Tor.
10:02<@mikegrb>he used to
10:02<linbot>caker: 11:02 AM, January 04, 2006
10:02<weasel>maybe he realized that that way he could only ask in 6 and not 8 channels..
10:02<@caker>woohoo .. my birthday.
10:02<weasel>happy bday!
10:02[~]caker decides what to do
10:02<@caker>I know .. pay my rent.
10:05<@mikegrb>caker: eat cake
10:05<@mikegrb>but not yourself
10:05<@caker>mikegrb: I plan on it
10:06<@mikegrb>re us constitution applying to everyone and not just citizens:
10:06<@mikegrb>"Actually, no, it does not. For example, if you're a forigner and
10:06<@mikegrb>you're arrested, you don't have a _right_ to representation."
10:07<@mikegrb>doesn't the constitution apply to everyone within the borders? otherwise what is the point of the 14th amendment which says who can become a citizen
10:07<@mikegrb>if the concstitution didn't apply to non citizens, the 14th amendment wouldn't apply to anyone and nobody could become a naturalized citizen
10:07<weasel>I am so not visiting the US any time soon
10:08<Redgore>mikegrb: human rights take over then
10:08<@mikegrb>weasel: that guy is almost certainly talking out of his ass, still a good choice
10:08<Redgore>if that were the case
10:08<weasel>Redgore: as if the US cared about those
10:09<@mikegrb>weasel: officially we don't
10:09<Redgore>I may be in the states Febuary
10:09<@mikegrb>"The U.N. and the Genevea Convention are quaint antiquated things that need not be bothered with."
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10:13<@mikegrb>kvandivo: you are a wise old man, what say you on this? just blog your response, I'll link it in a reply ;)
10:40<OvrLrd-Q>psssst, whens that 2.6 kernel upgrade coming with FUSE :P ;)
10:42<@caker>possibly today
10:43<OvrLrd-Q>hot grits
10:43<taupehat>is it a short fuse? (wakka wakka)
10:44<OvrLrd-Q>dont ask me why i did it, but I just made a fake xdcc bot in perl :(
10:44<OvrLrd-Q>it even serves up /dev/urandom for the different packs :P
10:51<dddd44>hello i need help .. is there a way to see what website user trying to access in my office?? my internet using router.. anyone??
10:51<taupehat>look over his shoulder?
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10:54<taupehat>nevermind, then
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11:07<ppdorapa>hello people..
11:08<ppdorapa>caker are you there ?
11:09<ppdorapa>did you read my ticket ?
11:10<@caker>I did, but don't really understand it, TBH
11:10<@caker>1. how much will cost me to have my own linode server ?
11:10<@caker>^-- ?
11:10<@caker>2. how much will cost me to have my own linux housing ?
11:10<@caker>^-- I don't think I can answer that one
11:17<@caker>!weather 37216
11:17<linbot>caker: The current temperature in Nashville, Tennessee (37216) Conditions & is 60\xB0F (10:53 AM CST on January 04, 2006). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 41\xB0F. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa. Visibility: 10.0 miles 16.1 kilometers.
11:17[~]caker goes for a ride to pay rent
11:17<@caker>anybody need anything?
11:17<taupehat>!weather 97520
11:17<linbot>taupehat: The current temperature in Ashland, Oregon (97520) Conditions & is 35\xB0F (8:53 AM PST on January 04, 2006). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 33\xB0F. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa. Visibility: 0.8 miles 1.2 kilometers.
11:17<taupehat>some heat!
11:18<OvrLrd-Q>!weather 727625
11:18<linbot>OvrLrd-Q: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "727625".
11:18<OvrLrd-Q>!weather 72762
11:18<linbot>OvrLrd-Q: The current temperature in Springdale, Arkansas (72762) Conditions & is 50\xB0F (10:48 AM CST on January 04, 2006). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 35\xB0F. Windchill: 44\xB0F. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019 hPa. Visibility: 10.0 miles 16.1 kilometers.
11:19<taupehat>!weather 99705
11:19<linbot>taupehat: The current temperature in North Pole, Alaska (99705) Conditions & is -19\xB0F (7:55 AM AKST on January 04, 2006). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: -19\xB0F. Pressure: 29.99 in 1016 hPa. Visibility: 13.0 miles 20.9 kilometers.
11:19<taupehat>guess I shouldn't complain
11:19<OvrLrd-Q>!weather 67502
11:19<linbot>OvrLrd-Q: The current temperature in Hutchinson, Kansas (67502) Conditions & is 48\xB0F (10:52 AM CST on January 04, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 52%. Dew Point: 32\xB0F. Windchill: 44\xB0F. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023 hPa. Visibility: 10.0 miles 16.1 kilometers.
11:19<OvrLrd-Q>hurm warm there today
11:20<taupehat>!weather ou812
11:20<linbot>taupehat: The current temperature in Ouricuri, Brazil is 81\xB0F. Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Wind: SW at 15 mph (24 km/h).
11:20<OvrLrd-Q>was colder there in KS there in alaska, one time I looked
11:22<taupehat>I'm still chuckling that OU812 resolved to something
11:23<OvrLrd-Q>!weather br549
11:23<linbot>OvrLrd-Q: The current temperature in Brookings, OR is 45\xB0F. Conditions: Cloudy. Humidity: 71%. Wind: E at 3 mph (5 km/h).
11:23<taupehat>yes, you cannot escape oregon
11:23<taupehat>brookings is nice
11:24<taupehat>it's on the coast, but is in a particularly warm spot (although there's no such thing as "warm" here in January)
11:25<ppdorapa>!weather 33133
11:25<linbot>ppdorapa: The current temperature in Miami, Florida (33133) Conditions & is 71\xB0F (11:53 AM EST on January 04, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 51\xB0F. Pressure: 30.03 in 1017 hPa. Visibility: 10.0 miles 16.1 kilometers.
11:25<ppdorapa>!weather 33133
11:25<ppdorapa>!weather 33133
11:25<linbot>ppdorapa: The current temperature in Miami, Florida (33133) Conditions & is 71\xB0F (11:53 AM EST on January 04, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 51\xB0F. Pressure: 30.03 in 1017 hPa. Visibility: 10.0 miles 16.1 kilometers.
11:25<linbot>ppdorapa: The current temperature in Miami, Florida (33133) Conditions & is 71\xB0F (11:53 AM EST on January 04, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 51\xB0F. Pressure: 30.03 in 1017 hPa. Visibility: 10.0 miles 16.1 kilometers.
11:25<taupehat>I'd rather be cold in winter than live in Miami.
11:26<taupehat>only town I've ever heard of where it's too dangerous for armoured cars to operate.
11:26<taupehat>(they fly choppers instead)
11:27<[|^__^|]> <-- mikegrb
11:27<OvrLrd-Q>can't get stupid winamp crossfading to work
11:27<taupehat>OvrLrd-Q: amaroK works a bit better in my experience
11:28<OvrLrd-Q>uh kinda not using linux
11:29<taupehat>then you're SOL =P
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12:17<sipherx>is there something wrong with host 51?
12:25<sipherx>anyone here?
12:26<anderiv>I'm not on host51, though, so I can't help you..
12:26<sipherx>i think host51 is locked up
12:26<sipherx>oh ok
12:26<anderiv>sipherx: it's responding to pings.
12:26<sipherx>maybe not...
12:27<sipherx>i think my node just needed a reboot
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12:50<neale>so linode is running a transparent HTTP proxy, eh?
12:50<SupaZubon>hi neale!
12:50<SupaZubon>I haven't noticed it
12:51<neale>I'm trying to download this .wmf
12:51<neale>and it hangs
12:51<neale>but every other file on that site is fine
12:51<SupaZubon>I can't imagine a proxy that could handle all the HTTP traffic
12:51<OvrLrd-Q>you mean outbound HTTP proxy?
12:51<neale>and I can get it from my speakeasy box
12:51<neale>yeah outbound
12:51<OvrLrd-Q>i'd doubt that
12:51<SupaZubon>that strikes me as a rash jump to conclusions
12:51<neale>it got some attention at least :)
12:52<SupaZubon>like deciding that you should go get chili without coordinating with your lunch guest
12:52[~][|^__^|] sets neale on fire
12:52<neale>maybe snort hooked up to something that blocks TCP transactions
12:52<neale>I'm just wondering if anyone can confirm or deny this
12:52<SupaZubon>I think it's probably not linode
12:52<neale>could be
12:52<SupaZubon>but the particular node
12:53<neale>no, I tried it on two linodes
12:53<neale>lemme try zork
12:53<SupaZubon>may have some "firewall"
12:53<SupaZubon>or rather
12:53<SupaZubon>I thought you said this was outbound
12:53<neale>yeah outbound
12:53<SupaZubon>you mean to host the wmf on zork?
12:53<neale>hanging on frotz too
12:53<SupaZubon>and grab it from speakeasy?
12:53<neale>I just want to download it from somewhere
12:53<neale>I can't download it from my speakeasy box either
12:53<SupaZubon>okay dude
12:54<SupaZubon>give me hostnames and the success matrix
12:54<SupaZubon>I'm lost
12:54<neale>okay sure
12:54<neale>but before I do
12:54<SupaZubon>where is this pr0n hosted, where Can you download it, and where Can't you
12:54<neale>everyone please be aware this is a live virus
12:54<neale>so if you're using MSIE or something please don't click these links
12:54<SupaZubon>neuter the http
12:55<npmr>Connecting to[]:80... connected.
12:55<npmr>HTTP request sent, awaiting response...
12:55<neale> is fine
12:55<neale>I downloaded 101.wmf
12:56<neale>you can get it at
12:56<npmr>brazillion ip
12:56<neale>but not from a linode, apparently
12:56<[|^__^|]>here's a test
12:56[~][|^__^|] steps out for a moment
12:57<npmr>i can verify that i cannot download either file from my linode
12:57<[|^__^|]>that's GPL.txt renamed
12:58<[|^__^|]>mime time shows up as text/plain
12:58<[|^__^|]>mime type
12:58<npmr>i can download both from a speakeasy line
12:58<[|^__^|]>yeah, but that's linode->linode
12:58<[|^__^|]>what I just tested
12:58<[|^__^|]>lemme try on flynn
12:58<@caker>what URL?
12:58<npmr>caker, live virus warning
12:58<[|^__^|]>and 102
12:59<neale>file's on my linode:
12:59<neale>can't seem to pull it either
12:59<[|^__^|]>I can grab GPL.txt renamed to 101.wmf
12:59<@caker>[|^__^|]: that worked
12:59<neale>buf from linode to linode is okay
12:59<[|^__^|]>but not your copy
13:00<@caker>neale: worked too
13:00<[|^__^|]> <-- this works
13:00<neale>[|^__^|]: your 101.wmf is GPL.txt, right?
13:00<[|^__^|]>neale: yes.
13:00<npmr>i can download both the and woozle sources from an sbc line
13:00<[|^__^|]>your binary 101.wmf shows up as text/plain
13:01<[|^__^|]>Length: 16,036 (16K) [text/plain]
13:01<neale>I'm thinking something's doing a signature match
13:01<[|^__^|]>it could be at TP's routers
13:01<[|^__^|]>have we tested texas vs fremont?
13:01<npmr>hang on
13:01<neale>mine are all in tx
13:01<@caker> ?
13:01<[|^__^|]>I think mine are too
13:01<guinea-pig>i can't get woozle's from my linode at HE
13:01<neale>caker: kermit has the real one
13:01<npmr>jordanb's is in fremont, gimme a sec
13:01<[|^__^|]>caker: I think that one's not the problem
13:01<neale>caker: has the real one too
13:02<guinea-pig>but i can get the others at my linode in HE
13:02<neale>no, I can't pull from kermit onto a linode
13:02<[|^__^|]> <-- this one hangs for me
13:02<neale>the ones on zork are bogus
13:02<[|^__^|]> <-- this one works
13:02<guinea-pig>oh wait, kermit works for me
13:02<OvrLrd-Q>i can get the kermit.woozle one
13:02<npmr>can download both and woozle sources from fremont
13:02<neale>so maybe it's texas
13:03<[|^__^|]>looks like it's TP
13:03<npmr>looks like it
13:03<neale>so should I open a ticket?
13:03<[|^__^|]>neale: Effortless Narcotic Professionals
13:03<npmr>shall i check charter cable, too?
13:04<neale>may as well
13:04[~]npmr shrugs
13:04<neale>but if they're blocking it at least they have a good reason
13:04<neale>TP blocking HTTP access seems wonky to me
13:04<@caker>I doubt that's happening
13:04<[|^__^|]>caker: oh?
13:04<npmr>work from charter cable
13:05<@caker>I can get to just fine
13:05<[|^__^|]>caker: from fremont or texas?
13:05<@caker>tihs is URL specific, which I kinda doubt they're running some massive transparent proxy thing
13:05<npmr>it certainly looks like they are
13:05<neale>it's not URL specific though
13:05<[|^__^|]>it's not
13:05<npmr>it's file specific
13:05<neale>I can change the filename and it still hangs
13:05<npmr>perhaps hash specific
13:06<@caker>[|^__^|]: I can get to the homepage of from either, fails to download that specific file from dallas
13:06<neale>I'm about to test that
13:06<[|^__^|]>neale: what if your .htaccess changes the mime type on kermit
13:06<npmr>perhaps extension specific
13:06<neale>[|^__^|]: you think they're blocking text/plain?
13:06<taupehat>I love having fail2ban
13:06<[|^__^|]>I'm thinking that it's a signature-check on the actual data sent, they just drop the wotzit
13:06<neale>that'd be my guess
13:06<taupehat>just got an email:
13:06<[|^__^|]>neale: no, but I was thinking they may include mime type in the signature
13:06<taupehat>The IP '' has just been banned by Fail2Ban after
13:06<taupehat>5 attempts. Hahaha!!!
13:06<neale>snort rule tied in to a router
13:07<OvrLrd-Q>yea, there is a snort rule for the WMf exploit
13:07<[|^__^|]>taupehat: what's fail2ban?
13:08<[|^__^|]>taupehat: does it fail to ban people?
13:08<taupehat>SupaZubon: it bans you if you fail2login =]
13:08<guinea-pig>taupehat: fail2nameproperly
13:09<taupehat>something like that
13:09<neale>yeah, definitely a signature
13:09<neale>I xored all the bytes with 1 and I can now download the file
13:09<taupehat>The IP '' has just been banned by Fail2Ban after
13:09<taupehat>58 attempts. Hahaha!!!The IP '' has just been banned by Fail2Ban after
13:09<[|^__^|]>fial2ban looks good
13:09<taupehat>58 attempts. Hahaha!!!
13:09<taupehat>it's nice
13:09[~][|^__^|] backports it
13:09<guinea-pig>it took 58 attempts?
13:09<taupehat>I've got it set to 5
13:09<taupehat>but the moron is trying a brute-force
13:09<taupehat>server's in the US, too =]
13:10<guinea-pig>so he's still trying after the bannin
13:10<taupehat>yeah it's a script most likely
13:10<neale>caker: should I open a ticket? Is TP even going to care?
13:10<taupehat>npmr: yeah
13:10<[|^__^|]>this will be a good replacement to my cheap hand-hacked rules that I got from mikegrb
13:10<taupehat>hang on, I'm going to contact the sender
13:10<@caker>neale: They'd probably say no-way to a removal request
13:10<[|^__^|]>caker: that's my guess
13:11<neale>this severely limits the usefulness of the linode we bought to do virus investigations.
13:11<@caker>plus I'd look shady
13:11<guinea-pig>and you aren't shady, are you
13:11[~]guinea-pig winks
13:11<npmr>neale, you could try migrating it to the fremont datacenter
13:11<@caker>neale: run on another port?
13:11<@caker>neale: or migrate to HE
13:11<neale>I'd be okay with migrating
13:12[~]taupehat ain't saying nothing
13:12<@caker>neale: send us a migration request ticket, plesae
13:12<guinea-pig>yay for HE!
13:12<neale>can't change the port, since we need to get stuff frome the wild
13:12[~]guinea-pig beats TP down
13:12<neale>okay will do
13:12<npmr>neale, can you email me that file as an attachment?
13:12<neale>BTW, what's "HE" stand for?
13:12<guinea-pig>hurricane electric
13:12<npmr>hurricane electric
13:12<guinea-pig>it's what powers the datacenter... windfarms in the ocean
13:13<[|^__^|]>taupehat: thanks for the tip on fail2ban
13:13<guinea-pig>we're still running off Katrina
13:13<npmr>email, man
13:13<@caker>I'm kinda impressed that TP has a setup like that...
13:13<npmr>i want to see if the planet is dropping smtp too
13:13<guinea-pig>caker: impressed or not. it's a violation or freedoms!
13:14<neale>well I'll mail it as soon as I get a mime mail thingy on kermit
13:15<npmr>i'd do it myself but... well, i can't think of any non-TP servers i could send from
13:15<[|^__^|]>the fail2ban.conf(5) man page is great
13:16<neale>there ya go npmr
13:16<neale>oh yeah
13:16<taupehat>the config is pretty easy to hax
13:16<neale>looks like it's getting dropped
13:16<taupehat>neale: is TP trying to drop anything that looks like a .wmf?
13:16<neale>kermit isn't exactly configured to send mail
13:16<neale>taupehat: not sure
13:16<neale>I only have this one .wmf
13:18<guinea-pig>err, you want it sent from a non-TP host?
13:18<neale>how do you tell mutt to change the From:
13:18<[|^__^|]>my_hdr From:...
13:18<[|^__^|]>or set edit_headers or edit_hdrs or whatever
13:18<taupehat>hmm, this is interesting
13:18<[|^__^|]>see /etc/Muttrc.d/zork.rc on frotz
13:18[~]taupehat is in touch with senior IT from the place he's being brute-forced from
13:19<[|^__^|]>taupehat: I know, but the man page is cute
13:22<guinea-pig>npmr: i just sent a copy from Freemont
13:23[~]taupehat should read it
13:24<npmr>isn't also at tp?
13:25<npmr>ah ha, fremont
13:26[~][|^__^|] turns on fail2ban mail stuff
13:26<taupehat>well, that was cool
13:26<taupehat>it's always really nice when you contact a company about abuse and they're actually responsive
13:27<[|^__^|]>I'll have to try that
13:27<npmr>guinea-pig, got your mail
13:27<taupehat>the guy I talked to kind of reminded me of how I'd handle such a situation - he was looking forward to ripping someone a new arsehole
13:27<npmr>so smtp's not being checked
13:27<npmr>bounce it back?
13:28<[|^__^|]>npmr: it probably goes by the actual data signature, which MIME would confuse
13:28<[|^__^|]>npmr: also, make sure you're not both TLS!
13:28<npmr>no tls, no uucp
13:28<npmr>dunno about mime
13:29<npmr>Encoding: base64
13:29<guinea-pig>attachment is 100% accurate
13:29<taupehat>uucp, heh
13:30[~]taupehat calls an @! party!
13:30<guinea-pig>i should set up greylisting
13:30<[|^__^|]>yeah, base64 will do it
13:30<[|^__^|]>that's useful stuff
13:30<taupehat>I've got greylisting set up but it doesn't seem to be working
13:30<[|^__^|]>guinea-pig: postgrey baby
13:30<[|^__^|]>works great
13:30<taupehat>yeah I need to tweak it
13:30<taupehat>which milter you using?
13:30<npmr>ha ha sendmail
13:30<[|^__^|]>I just set up postgrey and spampd on flynn
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13:31<taupehat>postgrey, eh?
13:31<npmr>[|^__^|], it's a sendmail thing
13:31<[|^__^|]>npmr: that's what i figured
13:31<guinea-pig>right, i'm still an exim weenie
13:31<[|^__^|]>guinea-pig: yeah, that can't last.
13:31<[|^__^|]>guinea-pig: trust me. postfix is now the win
13:32<[|^__^|]>unless you're like on a tiny system that just needs to run exim out of inetd/cron
13:32<guinea-pig>set up works fine. i only have 3 users
13:32<[|^__^|]>but I have spampd set up with global spamassassin bayes db
13:32<[|^__^|]>and postgrey
13:32<[|^__^|]>and a bunch of RFC-ignorant reject rules
13:33<[|^__^|]>so half my spam gets dropped just for having a bogus HELO
13:33[~]taupehat wishes he were on his 120 so he could use spamassassin again
13:33<[|^__^|]>the other half is quarantined via postgrey
13:33<[|^__^|]>and then only a teensy amount goes through spampd
13:34<[|^__^|]>mostly legitimate mails
13:34<[|^__^|]>and a tiny handful of remaindered spams
13:34<npmr> <-- [|^__^|]
13:34<[|^__^|]>and spampd is nice and lightweight about the spamassassin stuff
13:34<npmr>oh nevermind
13:34<npmr>that one's fixed
13:34<taupehat>[|^__^|]: how big a footprint does postgrey use?
13:35<[|^__^|]> 1147 postgrey 16 0 10732 7504 2424 S 0.0 2.4 0:12.23 postgrey
13:35<taupehat>not much
13:36<taupehat>I liked SA but it ran me into swap-thrashing land
13:36<[|^__^|]>you have to use spampd
13:36<[|^__^|]>as a proxy in your SMTP chain
13:36<[|^__^|]>yeah, well, sendmail is just one big server
13:36<[|^__^|]>so it probably has trouble pipelining daemons like that
13:37<guinea-pig>spampd better than spamd?
13:37<npmr>whoa, braille google logo
13:37<taupehat>heh, cook
13:37<[|^__^|]>but on MTAs that chop up into lots of isolated-privilege daemons, you basically set up chains of daemons, each one able to reject the mail and tear down the chain
13:37<anderiv>npmr: yah - caught me by surprise this morning as well.
13:38<guinea-pig>npmr: yep
13:38<taupehat>louis's b-day =]
13:38<npmr>and caker's
13:38<taupehat>no way
13:38<[|^__^|]>guinea-pig: yeah, spampd makes more intelligent use of spamassassin's modules. much lighter on the RAM
13:38<taupehat>he is blind after all =P
13:38<[|^__^|]>it's my third wedding anniversarry
13:38<taupehat>it's my one-month divorce anniversary =]
13:39<[|^__^|]>24661 spampd 16 0 29776 26m 2396 S 0.0 8.7 0:06.20 spampd
13:39<[|^__^|]>24729 spampd 15 0 28776 25m 2396 S 0.0 8.3 0:05.72 spampd
13:39<[|^__^|]> 1281 spampd 16 0 25860 22m 1996 S 0.0 7.3 3:03.75 spampd
13:39<taupehat>it was a 2.5-year divorce process
13:39<[|^__^|]>^-- I keep only 2 spampd children
13:39<taupehat>I was more than ready
13:39<[|^__^|]>and that's them AFTER they've inflated to full size
13:40<guinea-pig>i keep thinking i should set it up so things get piped off to my home box for processing, and piped back to my linode for storage :P
13:40<[|^__^|]>laptop-mode also helps a lot
13:40<[|^__^|]>well, RFC bouncing plus greylisting will cut down more spam
13:40<[|^__^|]>I reject tens of thousands of spams without even spooling
13:40<[|^__^|]>per day
13:40<[|^__^|]>and only a dozen get through
13:41<taupehat>greylisting will probably eat most of mine
13:41<[|^__^|]>mostly via relayed mail from outside aliases and uucp links
13:41<taupehat>I only get about 20 per day anyhow
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13:41<[|^__^|]>okay, time for lunch
13:41<OvrLrd-Q>i hate spamd
13:42<[|^__^|]>OvrLrd-Q: spampd is your salvation
13:42<[|^__^|]>much better than spamd
13:42<OvrLrd-Q>oh i guess there is a p in there
13:42<[|^__^|]>damn fools
13:42<OvrLrd-Q>none the less
13:42<OvrLrd-Q>iptables is my salvation
13:42<[|^__^|]>I'm gone
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13:42<npmr>you're using iptables to block spam?
13:43<OvrLrd-Q>kinda but not really :)
13:43<npmr>isn't that tedious?
13:43<taupehat>npmr: I do
13:43<taupehat>to some extent
13:44[~]taupehat blocks most of APNIC via iptables
13:44<OvrLrd-Q>when I get mad at an address range i take out a /20 or so
13:45<OvrLrd-Q>I think I did a /14 at one time
13:45<taupehat>I've got a couple of /8 and a /7
13:48<taupehat>something's not working right on my greymilter
13:48<taupehat>like the inet policy rule isn't being seen by postfix
14:00<taupehat>[|^__^|]: mind having a look at and helping me understand why it isn't working right?
14:01<OvrLrd-Q>you let the black magic out
14:01<taupehat>postgrey is working
14:01<taupehat>or not working
14:07<[|^__^|]>taupehat: looking
14:07[~]caker returns from bike ride
14:08<npmr>taupehat, you added the line to, right?
14:08<[|^__^|]> check_policy_service inet:,
14:08<[|^__^|]>that's the part
14:08<[|^__^|]>npmr: nono
14:08<[|^__^|]>npmr: it's when you have a proxy in the chain that you need
14:09<[|^__^|]>spampd uses filter magic
14:09<@mikegrb>which would matter if they were talking about spampd
14:09<npmr>that must have been my last spam filtering misadventure
14:09<[|^__^|]>postgrey is a simple check in, because it's OOB of the SMTP pipeline
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14:10<npmr>taupehat, your crazy ass firewall isn't blocking port 60000 on loopback connections, is it?
14:10<[|^__^|]>taupehat: you can telnet to port 60000 an
14:10<[|^__^|]>on localhost?
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14:11<[|^__^|]>and if you do a bogus SMTP session
14:11<[|^__^|]>MAIL FROM
14:11<[|^__^|]>RCPT TO
14:11<[|^__^|]>you'll get back status goobers on whether or not you're in the greylist?
14:11<taupehat>it says OK
14:12<[|^__^|]>you're already in the DB
14:12<[|^__^|]>try bogus from and to
14:12<[|^__^|]>it could be that postgrey is just configured wrong here
14:13<[|^__^|]>maybe pastebin your mail.err and mail.log or maybe all postfix entries from syslog
14:13<taupehat>all it shows is stuff getting through
14:13<taupehat>postgrey says "ignoring garbage" when I telnet to it
14:14<[|^__^|]>by the way
14:14<[|^__^|]>some of your tests are in a different section from what I'd use
14:14<[|^__^|]>reject_non_fqdn_hostname is in smtpd_helo_restrictions for me
14:14<[|^__^|]>and I have smtpd_delay_reject = no
14:14<[|^__^|]>that speeds up RFC-ignorant rejects immensely
14:15<npmr>ha ha neale
14:15<npmr>Make this your wallpaper. It'll rule.
14:15<npmr>[-- Attachment #2: 101.wmf --]
14:16<[|^__^|]>taupehat: lemme pastebin my stuff for you
14:17<taupehat>if the goddamn phone would ever stop ringing =[
14:17[~]taupehat is home with a sick kid, and work is going 'OMG HELP!'
14:17<[|^__^|]> <-- it ate the whitespace :<
14:18<[|^__^|]>that's crap
14:18<[|^__^|]>I'll try again
14:19<[|^__^|]> <-- better
14:19<[|^__^|]>I don't have the RBLs
14:19<[|^__^|]>I let spampd use them as one factor of many
14:19<[|^__^|]>but you're welcome to treat them as 100% accurate if you really want
14:20<[|^__^|]>[nick@frotz(/etc/postfix)] cat helo_access
14:20<[|^__^|]> OK
14:20<[|^__^|]> OK
14:20<[|^__^|]> OK
14:20<[|^__^|]> REJECT You are not me! Forfiku vin, trolo!
14:20<[|^__^|]> REJECT You are not me! Forfiku vin, trolo!
14:20<[|^__^|]>that cuts down on a LOT of bs spam
14:21<[|^__^|]>also it has stylish cursing in esperanto
14:21<taupehat>what is the secondary_mx_access part?
14:21<[|^__^|]>it lets your backup MX in
14:21<[|^__^|]>I don't have a backup MX, so whatever
14:21<taupehat>no such critter here
14:22<[|^__^|]>backup MXes are just vectors for unfiltered spam
14:22<npmr> 554 Access denied
14:22<npmr> 554 Access denied
14:23<npmr>i'm all uucp internally
14:23<[|^__^|]>and mail redelivers for a week ANYWAY
14:23<taupehat>smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name (Microsoft IIS 4.0)
14:23<npmr>no fancy made up languages, though
14:24<npmr># Known-nonexistent domains
14:24<npmr>.local REJECT
14:24<npmr>^-- this one cuts down on a lot of DNS lookups
14:25<[|^__^|]>i'll have to add that one
14:30<taupehat>don't seem to have one of those
14:30<[|^__^|]>you need to edit helo_access and postmap it
14:30<[|^__^|]>See, most spammers try to get around your filters by pretending to be *you*
14:30<[|^__^|]>but if someone is connecting to port 25
14:30<[|^__^|]>they're *not* *you*
14:30<[|^__^|]>so you just drop 'em at HELO/EHLO
14:30<@caker>you had me at HELO
14:31<taupehat>so what does helo_access look like/
14:31<[|^__^|]>taupehat: I pasted it in here a while back
14:31<[|^__^|]>with the esperanto
14:31[~]taupehat scrolls
14:31<[|^__^|]> REJECT You are not me! Forfiku vin, trolo!
14:31<[|^__^|]> REJECT You are not me! Forfiku vin, trolo!
14:31<[|^__^|]>and maybe an OK for the localish domains that do work
14:31<npmr>'vin' is 'off', right?
14:31<[|^__^|]>it's "you"
14:31<[|^__^|]>declined to the objective case
14:32<[|^__^|]>vi = you (subject), vin = you (object)
14:32<[|^__^|]>the prefix "for" gives "fikas" a preposition
14:32<[|^__^|]>and the u makes fikas a command
14:33<[|^__^|]>so it's sort of like "fuckaway yourself, troll!"
14:33<taupehat> REJECT Suck a nut, spammer. Poshol von!
14:33<taupehat> REJECT Suck a nut, spammer. Poshol von!
14:33<taupehat>not esperanto =]
14:33<taupehat>nope =
14:33<taupehat>it's an abbreviated shtobui clause
14:33<[|^__^|]>you should have answered "yob!"
14:34<taupehat>essentially means "fuck off" without actually saying anything other than "gone away over there somewhere"
14:34<[|^__^|]>GO YOUR OWN WAY
14:34<taupehat>something like that
14:34<[|^__^|]>anyway, you'll need to postmap that file
14:34<taupehat>it's really rude
14:34<taupehat>already did =]
14:34<[|^__^|]>I have some other entries in there you'll need to touch and postmap for postfix to not get pissy
14:34<[|^__^|]>or just ignore them
14:35<[|^__^|]>sender_access is like this:
14:35<[|^__^|]> REJECT There is no such address! A Fie on ye!
14:35<[|^__^|]> REJECT There is no such address! A Fie on ye!
14:35<@caker>!calc 176kg in lbs
14:35<linbot>caker: 176 kilograms = 388.013581 pounds
14:35<[|^__^|]>gets rid of common spam targets before things have gone too far
14:35<[|^__^|]>my recipient_access is just a touched empty file
14:36<[|^__^|]>and my secondary_mx access is empty now too
14:36<[|^__^|]>I should probably dike them out of the postfix config to cut down on wasteful db file accesses
14:36<taupehat>504 <me>: Helo command rejected: need fully-qualified hostname
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14:37<taupehat>504 <>: Helo command rejected: need fully-qualified hostname
14:37<taupehat>looks like it's a bit too restrictive
14:37<[|^__^|]>was that the helo?
14:37<[|^__^|]>or was that the from?
14:38<taupehat>504 <>: Helo command rejected: need fully-qualified hostname
14:38<npmr>that's not a hostname
14:38<npmr> is a hostname
14:38<[|^__^|]>that was my first guess actually
14:38<[|^__^|]>I thought I'd asked that
14:38<taupehat>504 <>: Helo command rejected: need fully-qualified hostname
14:38<[|^__^|]>try HELO
14:38<[|^__^|]>HELO isn't MAIL FROM
14:38<taupehat>that's it
14:38[~]taupehat has kicked himself in the shins!
14:39[~][|^__^|] hugs taupehat
14:39<[|^__^|]>You *are* home!
14:39<[|^__^|]>npmr: by the way, you need to watch TLI2
14:39<npmr>what's that?
14:39<taupehat>[|^__^|]: mail worked, no greylist
14:39<[|^__^|]> <-- npmr
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14:40<taupehat>I think it's permitting me because my ipaddr has been sasl-authed
14:40<[|^__^|]>taupehat: not sure why. care you pastebin your /etc/default/postgrey and /etc/postgrey/whatever files?
14:40<[|^__^|]>oh yeah
14:40<[|^__^|]>try from outside!
14:40<taupehat>[|^__^|]: can you try sending mail to via telnet?
14:40<[|^__^|]>sure hangon
14:41<npmr>sasl auth is per ip?
14:41<taupehat>I tried doing it from my desktop computer at work
14:41<[|^__^|]>250 Ok: queued as CBE829CA6D
14:41<taupehat>and then remembered that I've blocked oubound port 25
14:41<taupehat>shit =[
14:42<[|^__^|]>have you restarted postfix?
14:42<[|^__^|]>220 ESMTP Postfix (Microsoft IIS 4.0)
14:42<taupehat>oh also
14:42<taupehat>thunderbird marked your mail as spam
14:44<[|^__^|]>time to look at logs Iguess
14:45<taupehat>that's the thing
14:45<taupehat>logs don't tell me anything useful
14:45<npmr>fyi, debug_peer_list is awesome
14:45<taupehat>they show postgrey starting
14:45<[|^__^|]>npmr: oh?
14:45<taupehat>and that's the last I hear from postgrey
14:45<taupehat>after that it's just regular postfix stuff
14:45<[|^__^|]>taupehat: start postgrey with the debug flag on
14:45<npmr>[|^__^|], give it a list of HELO hostnames you want to debug sessions with
14:45<[|^__^|]> -v, --verbose increase verbosity level
14:46<[|^__^|]>npmr: that's pretty cool
14:46<npmr>then postfix does extra special logging for just those sessions
14:46<npmr>yeah, i've been using it to try to figure out the deal with flynn and dorothy
14:46<npmr>i'm not getting any useful information though
14:46<[|^__^|]>npmr: I only just got flynn set up with spampd/postgrey last night
14:46<[|^__^|]>so there were some hiccoughs
14:46<[|^__^|]>but you do have lots of funny stuff in the queue
14:46<npmr>no, this has been going on since november
14:46<[|^__^|]>I know
14:47[~]npmr nods
14:47<[|^__^|]>taupehat: put that -v in /etc/default/postgrey's little flags var
14:47<npmr>i'm not concerned about any of the messages that are currently being held on flynn
14:47<[|^__^|]>but I did notice that something was up
14:47<[|^__^|]>also, I shaboomed flynn
14:47<[|^__^|]>it was crazy behind
14:47<npmr>but the fact that messages in general seem to be held up.... that's not so good
14:48<[|^__^|]>taupehat: do you have reject_unauth_destination, before your postgrey line?
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14:49<taupehat>it bloody well never talks to postgrey
14:50<[|^__^|]>care to paste your now?
14:51<taupehat>I literally replaced my antispam section with yours just to stupidify the problem
14:51<[|^__^|]>okay, that's good
14:52<[|^__^|]>do you see any different behavior when you take postgrey down entirely?
14:52<taupehat>good question
14:53<[|^__^|]>I've taken to doing init.d/foo stop of all related daemons in situations lik ethis
14:53<[|^__^|]>and then waiting a minute, killing any stragglers, and starting them again
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14:54<taupehat>no difference in behavior
14:54<taupehat>there's a bad line wrap there that does not appear in the actual cf
14:55<[|^__^|]>I know what it is.
14:55<taupehat>oh no
14:55<[|^__^|]>but I'm going to make you beg
14:56<[|^__^|]>haha no
14:56[~]taupehat waits for the bomb to drop
14:56<[|^__^|]>line 67 trumps line 23
14:56<taupehat>why is that
14:57<npmr>ha ha
14:57<[|^__^|]>I hate it when I do shit like that
14:57<npmr>postconf == teh win
14:57<[|^__^|]>that's true
14:57<npmr>postconf > postconf
14:57<[|^__^|]>postconf is The Right Thing
14:57<npmr>postconf -d > postconf-d
14:57<npmr>diff -u postconf-d postconf
14:58<taupehat>greymilter isn't working
14:58<[|^__^|]>uh what
14:58<taupehat>I thought taking permit_sasl_authenticated, would be sufficient
14:58<taupehat>I need to take that whole line out, don't i
14:59<[|^__^|]>it's erasing the settings from line 23
14:59<[|^__^|]>and it's a duplicate of the middle chunk of that anyway
15:00[~]taupehat feels sorry for mailservers trying to reach him right now
15:01[~]Battousai doesnt
15:01<taupehat>ahh, there it is =]
15:01<npmr>-mail_name = Postfix
15:01<npmr>+mail_name = GoToMyMTA
15:01<taupehat>Recipient address rejected: Greylisted for 300 seconds (see
15:05<[|^__^|]>Jon Johansen wants me to give him a tour of alcatraz
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15:06<@caker>the wikipedia guy?
15:06<npmr>DeCSS, no?
15:07<[|^__^|]>yeah, DeCSS
15:07<[|^__^|]>Seth gave him my contact info
15:07<[|^__^|]>I love how I still manage to be hooked into all these crazy social circles
15:08<javafueled> is red-lining (on the web interface). should I be concerned?
15:08<[|^__^|]>he was just a teenager when he wrote it. He's more of an adult now
15:09<taupehat>Jan 4 13:08:14 taupehat postfix/smtpd[12745]: NOQUEUE: reject: HELO from
15:09<taupehat>[]: 504 <localhost>: Helo co
15:09<taupehat>mmand rejected: need fully-qualified hostname; proto=SMTP helo=<localhost>
15:10<taupehat>[|^__^|]: thanks again for your help
15:10<npmr>i see those a lot
15:10<taupehat>I bet my spam volume goes to zilch
15:10<taupehat>or close to
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15:10<npmr>it'll go down around 80-90%
15:10<npmr>the remainder to be handled by your content filters
15:10<guinea-pig>where's the updike RFC?
15:12<[|^__^|]>taupehat: iie
15:13<taupehat>this isn't so good
15:13<taupehat>helo localhost.localdomain
15:13<[|^__^|]>you can add that to your helo_access REJECT lines
15:13<taupehat>already done
15:14<taupehat>but that's kinda significant
15:14<[|^__^|]>yeah I oughta do that...
15:14<taupehat>since it's essentially open-relay time now
15:14<taupehat>I guess not open relay
15:14<@mikegrb>shouldn't be
15:14<taupehat>but open spam-me
15:15<taupehat>fixed =]
15:17<[|^__^|]> <-- taupehat
15:17<taupehat>I think I spammed that here
15:17<[|^__^|]>I love that it's an april fool's joke from a few years ago that nobody saw
15:18<[|^__^|]>so now it's hitting the rounds out of context
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15:18<taupehat>and they're leaving it on the site
15:19<taupehat>I don't care how people whine - I think google's pretty cool
15:19<@caker>!quote GOOG
15:19<linbot>caker: The current price of GOOG is 445.24, as of 4:00pm EST. A change of +10.01 from the last business day.
15:20<taupehat>caker: heh, you making some money there?
15:20<@caker>bought at $292
15:20<taupehat>I heard someone raised their target for goog to $600
15:20<taupehat>damn, dude =]
15:20<[|^__^|]>does that account for splits?
15:20<[|^__^|]>I think they' split before 600, at this point
15:20<@caker>GOOG has not split
15:21<@caker>most I've heard is that they won't, for reasons I can't remember
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15:29<guinea-pig>i keep wishing i had money to play around with like that
15:29<guinea-pig>i'd be a rich boy
15:29<encode>so do the rest of us ;)
15:30<anderiv>caker: one of the reasons companies choose not to split is to provide more stability in their investor base...
15:30<anderiv>caker: when you choose not to split, your stock price just continues to rise and that prices "casual" or "small-time" investors out of the market.
15:31<anderiv>...leaving you with mainly large institutional investors
15:32<guinea-pig>and those of us little guys who want to support someone like google are screwed
15:32<anderiv>guinea-pig: you support google just fine by using their search engine.
15:33<guinea-pig>those of us little guys who want to support ourselves with google are screwed
15:33<anderiv>...and email....and desktop search...and google earth...etc.
15:33<guinea-pig>i don't use any of those
15:33<anderiv>guinea-pig: google maps?
15:34<guinea-pig>yes, that one
15:34<guinea-pig>is there a linux google earth yet?
15:34<anderiv>guinea-pig: good ;-)
15:34<anderiv>guinea-pig: not that I know of.
15:34<anderiv>not sure if it'll run under wine. I doubt it.
15:34<guinea-pig>and i don't think anyone in here should need gmail
15:35<guinea-pig>i don't use wine :P
15:35<tierra>I use Froogle, Gmail, Maps/Local, News, and many more on a daily basis
15:35<anderiv>guinea-pig: I use gmail for all of my mailing lists...
15:35<anderiv>guinea-pig: it does that well.
15:35<tierra>Gmail comes in very handy
15:35<tierra>yes, for mailing lists
15:35<guinea-pig>what's wrong with mutt?
15:35<tierra>unbelievably handy
15:35<@mikegrb>guinea-pig: it works too well
15:36<anderiv>guinea-pig: nothing's wrong with mutt.
15:36<guinea-pig>mikegrb: apparantly
15:36<anderiv>guinea-pig: it's a matter of preference.
15:36<@mikegrb>guinea-pig: makes you lazzy and rots your brain
15:36<guinea-pig>my brain is so rotten, it's composted, and had 2 years worth of growth on top
15:39<npmr>taupehat, looks like they've got a couple of bum servers
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15:40<taupehat>no, that was in my logfile
15:40<taupehat>but check this out
15:40<taupehat>mail from: <>
15:40<taupehat>250 Ok
15:40<taupehat>is that correct?
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15:40<@mikegrb>jwhois AS23462
15:40<@mikegrb>er, ww
15:40<npmr>yes, that is a correct envelope
15:40<npmr>it's the envelope of a server-generated bounce message
15:41<taupehat>but I wasn't trying to send to the city of myrtle beach
15:41<npmr>no, but someone was trying to mail you
15:41<npmr>and their message bounced
15:41<npmr>probably spam
15:41<@mikegrb>if it isn't a bounce from a message you sent, then send it to their provider as spam
15:42<@mikegrb>s/as spam/as a spam report/
15:42[~]mikegrb bets $50 if that is the case it is from a qmail server
15:42<[|^__^|]>SORRY IT DIDN'T WORK OUT!!11
15:42<Battousai>qmail bad
15:42<taupehat>tell me about it
15:43<@mikegrb>seriously, report it
15:43<@mikegrb>I do
15:43<@mikegrb>we also get reports about Linode users for that reason
15:43<@mikegrb>they are treated the same as any other spam report, customer has to fix their broken server
15:43<taupehat>I've still got to make a post on the bloody mess that resulted from someone using a address as the Mail from: address in a spamrun
15:43<npmr>i went on a spam-reporting binge for most of a year several years ago
15:43<taupehat>all from qmail or exchange servers
15:44<npmr>managed to get my domain blacklisted by spammers
15:44<npmr>they just stopped trying
15:44<npmr>that lasted about two years before i started getting spam again
15:44<@mikegrb>it works well
15:44<@mikegrb>but I've also received spam addressed to an address that was only used to report spam
15:45<taupehat>I'm still trying to figure out how my mailserver was trying to connect to myrtleach
15:45<@mikegrb>it's a live target, they won't send to that address again but they will sell it to other spammers
15:45<@mikegrb>taupehat: it probably wasn't
15:45<taupehat>Jan 4 13:34:30 taupehat postfix/smtp[13150]: connect to mail.cityofmyrtle
15:45<taupehat>[]: Connection refused (port 25)
15:45<npmr>taupehat, want a diagram?
15:45<taupehat>npmr: sure
15:46<@mikegrb>taupehat: had it been a legit message, (and a non broken mailserver), your sderver would c onnect to them, they would say bad user, no, *your* mail server send you a bounce
15:46<npmr>taupehat, look way back in your logs, about 12000 seconds ago
15:46<@mikegrb>rather then the other mail server accepting it for delivery, and then sending a bouce back
15:46<npmr>you'll see an incoming message from aramus@[inkblot@dorothy:~]$ telnet 25
15:46<npmr>telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
15:46<taupehat>ok npmr
15:47<taupehat>you're saying someone tried a shell escape as an email address?
15:47<npmr>you'll see an incoming message from to some bogus address at your server
15:47<npmr>your server queued the message, then figured out that the recipient was bogus
15:47<taupehat>oh ok
15:47<@mikegrb>npmr: if his server accepted the message and then bounced it then it is broken
15:47<npmr>and now it's stuck try to send a "user unknown" message
15:47<npmr>mikegrb, earlier today that's how his server worked
15:47<taupehat>* @ my domain should go through
15:48<@mikegrb>surprised we didn't get any spam reports for it
15:48<taupehat>you souldn't have...
15:49<@mikegrb>if it accepted a message for delivery and then later sent a bounce back, then we should have
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15:49<@mikegrb>nobody bothered to report it
15:49<taupehat>I don't think it was doing that
15:49<npmr>here's another possibility
15:50<taupehat>mikegrb: here was my from before today:
15:50<npmr>someone sent a message from to some bogus address at some other domain (not yours)
15:50<@mikegrb>I don't use postfix
15:50<npmr>and your mailserver queued it, then figured out it was bogus.... bounce
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15:51<[|^__^|]>mikegrb uses qmail because he loves djb
15:51<taupehat>npmr: it'd reject anything not going to offhand
15:51<npmr>since @taupehat.bah is all accepted
15:51<taupehat>not queue it
15:51<taupehat> not .bah
15:51<taupehat>try it =]
15:52<@mikegrb>[|^__^|]: I get a big grin when I get to open an abuse ticket with someone for using qmail
15:52<npmr>sure, after we've spent all day reconfiguring your server
15:52<npmr>taupehat, what was the "whoah"?
15:52[~]taupehat just got an email from the IT manager for that company apologizing for the incident and describing the steps they took to prevent a recurrance
15:53<npmr>myrtle beach?
15:53<Battousai>/whois mikegrb with wub
15:54<taupehat>the other company that had a server try to brute-force ssh
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15:56<anderiv>just what I needed on my wednesday afternoon
15:56<taupehat>random peinis spam?
15:56[~]taupehat thinks he's killed his keyboard again
15:56<anderiv>it made me laugh.....what can I say?
15:56<taupehat>it is downright silly, isn't it
16:01<taupehat>mails are getting through now =]
16:01<taupehat>good mails
16:02<taupehat>haven't seen a spam yet
16:02<[|^__^|]>mikegrb: we should start a campaign for reporting abusive qmail installations
16:02<[|^__^|]>like, provide form letters and all
16:03[~]Karnaugh has lots of fun header-checks entries
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16:03<[|^__^|]> <-- mikegrb
16:03<Battousai>[|^__^|]: also, high explosives
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16:03<marc_in_lux>good evening
16:04<taupehat>[|^__^|]: bwahaha
16:04<Karnaugh> /^[sS]ubject: Symantec Mail Security/ REJECT Your mail filter is broken.
16:04<Karnaugh> /^From: Mail Delivery System \<Mailer-Daemon@mail\.prowalco\.co\.za\>/ REJECT Your mail server is behaving strangely
16:04<[|^__^|]> <-- taupehat
16:04<Karnaugh>mostly crappy exim and exchange setups
16:04<Battousai>lol i mean
16:04<[|^__^|]>Karnaugh: !!!!
16:04<Battousai>that poor kid
16:04<[|^__^|]>Karnaugh: pastebin this ish for us
16:05<Karnaugh>[|^__^|]: pastebin for two lines?
16:05<[|^__^|]>Karnaugh: oh was that it?
16:05<taupehat>[|^__^|]: bwahaha
16:05<[|^__^|]>14:03 * Karnaugh has lots of fun header-checks entries
16:05<Karnaugh>[|^__^|]: besides, I should dig into you for that atrocious nickname
16:05<[|^__^|]>you said lots
16:06<marc_in_lux>not wanting to disturb, just wanted to enquire about latest kernel developments... 2.6.14, 2.6.15...
16:06<marc_in_lux>is there anything in view?
16:06<@caker>marc_in_lux: compiling now
16:06<marc_in_lux>great :-)
16:06<taupehat>marc_in_lux: this was a heavy tech discussion anyhow...
16:06<taupehat>feel free to chime in
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16:06<[|^__^|]>Karnaugh: but it is 塊魂
16:06<marc_in_lux>taupehat, very much acknowledging that, but I'm only a lowly user, so...
16:07<taupehat>dang it, I thought I had loaded into my irssi.conf
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16:11<tsi>touch /etc/httpd/conf.d/sarcasm.conf; service httpd restart
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16:28<linbot>New news from forums: Driver Request: ztdummy (Zaptel Timing Source for Asterisk) in Feature Request/Bug Report
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16:35<@caker>ok, 2.6.15-linode16 is out there... any testers?
16:37<encode>will it run on xen?
16:37<anderiv>caker: hrm - if I didn't have a huge emerge going on now, I'd take you up on it.
16:37<@caker>it's for UML only
16:38[~]linbot dispenses starburst fruit chews
16:39<marc_in_lux>anything special I need to consider when going from a 2.4 to a 2.6? This is on debian...
16:39<anderiv>marc_in_lux: I recently switched to 2.6 on a gentoo linode with no issues at all...
16:39<@caker>marc_in_lux: mv /lib/tls /lib/tls.disabled, and if it's a REALLY ancient debian deployment, apt-get install dhcp3-client (I think that's the one)
16:39<marc_in_lux>ok... caker, I can just select and reboot, then?
16:40<@caker>marc_in_lux: after those two commands, yes
16:40<@caker>pretty sure it should Just Work
16:40[~]anderiv wonders if he should have disabled tls...
16:40<@mikegrb>[|^__^|]: I already report all of the ones I get as spam to providers, probably 3 or 4 a day
16:40<@caker>anderiv: you would have known. Things stop working
16:40<[|^__^|]>mikegrb: do you have a good filter or form letter?
16:41<anderiv>caker: ok
16:41<anderiv>caker: it's been running fine for a few months now.
16:41<[|^__^|]>mikegrb: No match for "REPORT-QMAILERS.COM".
16:41<@mikegrb>give me an address and I'll cc you one from my sent folder
16:41<marc_in_lux>caker, looks like ancient... it just downloads dhcp3... :-)
16:41<@mikegrb>it's a generic message but has a *NOTE FOR QMAIL AMDINS* section
16:41<guinea-pig>i love that address
16:41<@mikegrb>except it says ADMINS
16:42<[|^__^|]>mikegrb: I support your efforts 105%
16:42<[|^__^|]>once I get your mail, I hope to push that to somewhere in the 112-117% range
16:43[~]anderiv wonders what everyone's issues are with qmail....besides djb's pig-headedness and all...
16:44<marc_in_lux>caker, keeping /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf?
16:44<[|^__^|]>anderiv: it's malfunctioning abandonware. And if djb *hadn't* been pig-headed about licensing, people could have kept maintaining it now
16:44<anderiv>[|^__^|]: hrm - true
16:44<[|^__^|]>djb's own pig-headedness in general is not bad
16:44<[|^__^|]>it's done some good things, like help tear down the ITAR regulations on cryptography
16:44<[|^__^|]>for that, djb++
16:45<[|^__^|]>but the non-license bit of qmail means headaches for the Internet
16:45<marc_in_lux>82 days uptime... gone :-)
16:45<anderiv>[|^__^|]: agreed
16:46<[|^__^|]>also, I've had to work with qmail installations in the past, and the way you configure it just hurts my aesthetic sense
16:46<[|^__^|]>but that's obviously frivolous
16:47<anderiv>I've had to admin several qmail boxes and I've never really had any issues with them.
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16:48<taupehat>so at some point I found a way to bounce obvious spam to
16:49<[|^__^|]>I used to have my spam addresses be like:
16:49<@mikegrb>you've got mail
16:49<@mikegrb>I'm all slow on the bluetooth link
16:49<[|^__^|]>spamtrap: |/usr/bin/sa-learn --spam,
16:50[~]taupehat gots not spamassassin
16:50<[|^__^|]>mikegrb: cool. it may greylist for a while
16:50<[|^__^|]>but then I realized that they don't need that kind of spam
16:50<[|^__^|]>who here needs other people to help them find spam?
16:50<[|^__^|]>so I stopped doing that
16:50<[|^__^|]>it was just flooding them
16:51<@mikegrb>[|^__^|]: that is exactly what they want
16:51<[|^__^|]>is it?
16:51<@mikegrb>it's what the address is for
16:51<[|^__^|]>okay, I'll put it back then
16:51<taupehat>they do fine-grained analysis, heh
16:51<taupehat>kind of like the ending of "Raiders of the Lost Ark"
16:51<taupehat>"We've got top men on it right now. Top men."
16:51<@mikegrb>when they are putting together a case about a specific spammer, they come up with some nifty regexs to describe their spam characteristcs
16:51<@mikegrb>then make reports up about the spam from that person
16:51<[|^__^|]>teergrube: haesslich
16:51<[|^__^|]>majordomo: haesslich
16:51<[|^__^|]>hack-pit: haesslich
16:51<[|^__^|]>haesslich: spampd+haesslich,
16:52<@mikegrb>and then spank them and ask them not to do it again
16:52<[|^__^|]>spampd+haesslich is cool
16:52<@caker>marc_in_lux: you really should fix your inittab so you get a console on Lish.. Also, I noticed all your firewall logs are going into the console log (it was 105M)
16:52<[|^__^|]>spampd has a homedir on my system: /usr/lib/spam/
16:52<taupehat>and take away their little mansion on the hamptons
16:52<@caker>I really need to start rotating those :)
16:53<[|^__^|]>and it has a .forward+haesslich that stores spam in a spam mailbox
16:53<@mikegrb>I get lots of spam to
16:53<[|^__^|]>then once an hour a cron job sa-learns it and deletes
16:53<marc_in_lux>what's wrong in the inittab? never touched it...
16:53<@mikegrb>from irc logs
16:53<@mikegrb>it all gets auto larted and counted
16:53<[|^__^|]>I have another one for non-spam
16:53<taupehat>I get plenty to ""
16:53<[|^__^|]>which I don't paste onto the internet because I don't want it to get harvested
16:54<@caker>marc_in_lux: grep tty0 /etc/inittab, please
16:54<[|^__^|]>okay, really
16:54<[|^__^|]>time to go
16:54<fo0bar>caker: if you're saving /dev/console, it would be nice to have like the last 25 lines displayed in web
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16:54<[|^__^|]>mikegrb: thanks for bouncing me the qmail smackdownage. I'll look at it in an hour or so
16:54<@caker>fo0bar: on the website? Yeah, that'd be cool, huh?
16:54<taupehat>[|^__^|]: what's the format look like for recipient_access?
16:54<taupehat>same as the helo_access
16:55[~]mikegrb puts fo0bar on trac
16:55<taupehat>eh, nvm
16:55<marc_in_lux>caker, 0:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty0
16:55<fo0bar>caker: heh, yeah. I was typing that and then someone started talking to me, then I somehow hit enter :)
16:55<guinea-pig>marc_in_lux: do you have a /dev/tty0?
16:55<@mikegrb>marc_in_lux: should be vc/0 iirc
16:56<@caker>mikegrb: isn't he running debian?
16:56<@mikegrb>no clue
16:56<@mikegrb>does he have the respawning to fast message?
16:56<@caker>ok, well .. your login prompt just appeared
16:57<marc_in_lux>so... everyhting's fine, then?
16:57<@caker>marc_in_lux: if you could easily add a log option to your firewall rules, that'd help
16:58<marc_in_lux>sure... I'll check that. It's firehol, the way it came from debian...
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17:00<@mikegrb>heh, ticket autoassigned to caker due to component = www
17:00<marc_in_lux>apart from that, looks fine, then?
17:02<marc_in_lux>which is a good thing, since as of 2 minutes ago it's tomorrow. :-)
17:02<marc_in_lux>I'll be off then. Thanks for the help :-)
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17:13<JasonF>caker: *poke*
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17:36<[|^__^|]>mikegrb: I can't find SpamTools on karsten's page
17:36<[|^__^|]>mikegrb: n'mind, just found
17:40<@caker>JasonF: ya?
17:41<JasonF>caker: how would you like to get the xenode stress tested with some irc stuff
17:41<JasonF>caker: like I was thinking of delinking my test irc server on my xenode
17:41<JasonF>and getting it "bot attacked" to test load
17:41<JasonF>but didn't want to do it without asking you or seeing if you wanted to monitor it
17:42<@caker>if the testing stays on that box, and source and target are on the same subnet, I don't mind.
17:42<guinea-pig>i had mplayer installed on my linode?!
17:43<@mikegrb>otherwise the irc nazis will want us to open abuse tickets with everyone who has an ip, our customer or not
17:43[~]mikegrb runs off to dinner
17:43<@mikegrb>mmm cake
17:43<Battousai>mmm cake
17:45<JasonF>caker: source and target probably won't be on the same subnet
17:45<JasonF>so that'd be a no then :(
17:46<Battousai>plz to not waste bandwidth ktnx
17:47<taupehat>I just got a phone call that callerID said was from "DIST OF COLUMBI" (truncated due to dumb phone)
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17:47<taupehat>however, the number resolves to winnipeg
17:47<taupehat>and the guy was saying "You called this number earlier?"
17:47<taupehat>it smelled like a scam while I was talking to him
17:47<guinea-pig>well, did you?
17:47<Battousai>crazy canucks
17:47<taupehat>and now that the callerID is bogus, I'm really thinking scam
17:47<[|^__^|]> <-- mikegrb
17:48<taupehat>no, I didn't. And he was trying too hard to keep me on the line.
17:50<guinea-pig>but how do you fake a caller id?
17:50<guinea-pig>i mean, that's a neat trick
17:51<guinea-pig>oh, not so neat, nevermind
17:52<taupehat>not so neat at all
17:52<fo0bar>guinea-pig: it's trivial
17:53<taupehat>anyone in here know who the phone company is that handles winnipeg?
17:53<guinea-pig>fo0bar: yeah, i'm seeing that
17:53<fo0bar>just call canada and ask for them
17:53<guinea-pig>"hi, is this canada?"
17:54<guinea-pig>not sure aboot that one
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20:09<sprouse>any xen beta testers here want to share thier experiences?
20:14<[|^__^|]>it's often hard to think of what to do with the beta instance
20:14<[|^__^|]>so the load tends to be pretty low
20:14<[|^__^|]>but if it turns out to rock under load with the whole io_nice thing
20:14<[|^__^|]>that will be the win
20:14<[|^__^|]>no more tokens
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20:15<sprouse>I only run out of tokens during backups
20:16<@caker>[|^__^|]: speaking of which .. I figured out how to compile their more recent tree (2.6.15 as of today)
20:16<@caker>I'll need to reboot that host to try it out
20:16<[|^__^|]>well you have no objection from me
20:16<[|^__^|]>it'd be cool if the shutdown for a system walled on all the instances :)
20:16<sprouse>tar -cvf backup.tar /home eats all my tokens in a few minutes
20:17<internat>yeah that seems kinda painful
20:17<@caker>that tree also contains the Xen sub arch .. so no more "make <whatever> ARCH=xen" .. they did it so you set the arch for whatever (i386, soon ppc, etc) and then just select xen as a subarch
20:17<@caker>that'll be what goes into mainline
20:17<internat>so xen is anotther step closer then?
20:18<@caker>internat: yep... We're on target for a mid-jan opening of the beta .. a few external dependencies -- namely TP and HE getting our space ontime
20:18<internat>omg *drools*
20:19<@caker>the mid-jan open beta will likely be for TP only, since HE's new facility isn't ready yet (late Jan, early Feb)
20:19<internat>is it going to be the same kinda beta as last time?
20:19<@caker>I'm fairly certain the open beta will require moving of your existing node, so they'll be some real-world load on these boxes
20:19<warewolf>caker- is there going to be a user-available way to check how throttled people are from inside the xennode?
20:19<warewolf>eg /proc/io_status ?
20:19<internat>umm move or copy?
20:19<@caker>warewolf: no .. I'm not even certain how well io_nice will do, TBH
20:20<warewolf>RML go bye bye
20:20<@caker>that's something else that needs a serious workout
20:20<sprouse>caker: will there be a signup for the beta?
20:20<@caker>warewolf: no way -- /proc/diskstats dood
20:20<internat>im happy to copy over to xen for beta and shutdown my uml box, but with it being a beta and all.. having the option to bring back up the uml box would be nice, if something bad happens
20:21<@caker>sprouse: yeah .. once I announce it, it'll be first come first served
20:21<efudd>caker, once you believe it's "stable" enough in beta, i'm probably willing to move this host over completely such that it (the betas) actually get used.
20:21<@caker>efudd: the private beta? .. probably not ready to accept real nodes yet -- as I take the box down from time to time
20:21[~]efudd nods.
20:21<efudd>I was feeling exceptionally helpful with that comment anyway.
20:22<efudd>It's unusual for me.
20:22<efudd>(I'm called 'Pocket Nazi', 'Satan', 'Little Ball of Hate' and 'Beezlebub(sp?)' at work for being hatefully helpful.)
20:22<guinea-pig>pocket nazi? sounds perverse
20:23[~]efudd short.
20:23<taupehat>how short?
20:24<@caker>so E in efudd actually stands for Electric? Somehow I ran across that the other day (ElectricFudd)
20:25<taupehat>I'm thinking of Peter dinklage in "Living in Oblivion"
20:25[~]taupehat will have to IMDB the quote
20:25<efudd>caker, where did you run across ElectricFudd?
20:25<taupehat>so funny
20:25<@caker>oh yeah ..
20:25<[|^__^|]>beel ze bub
20:25<@caker>efudd: <-- top right corner
20:25<efudd>Oh. :)
20:25<[|^__^|]>be el ze bub
20:25<efudd>yeah. No. Efudd originally was short for my BBS name of Elmer Fudd that's existed since 1990.
20:25<@caker>I guess I linked to it from
20:26<efudd>when i signed up to xbox360's live stuff, efudd was taken
20:26<guinea-pig>funny, that's the only googleable occurance for "electricfudd"
20:26<taupehat>here's the quote
20:26<efudd>So.. based on some old efnet #unix troll who called me ElectronicFudd, I used ElectricFudd for live.
20:26<taupehat>(language warning)
20:26<taupehat>"Have you ever had a dream with a dwarf in it? Do you know anyone who's had a dream with a dwarf in it? No! I don't even have dreams with dwarves in them. The only place I've seen dwarves in dreams is in stupid movies like this! "Oh make it weird, put a dwarf in it!". Everyone will go "Woah, this must be a fuckin' dream, there's a fuckin' dwarf in it!". Well I'm sick of it! You can take this dream sequence and stick it up your ass!"
20:26<internat>hey efudd u dont happen to chat on dalnet do u?
20:26<@caker>efudd: wasn't there some controversy with them and your efudd nick?
20:27<efudd>Not specifically. There was conflict over 'E'.
20:27<efudd>I went by just 'E' for a couple of years until the point I got tired of fighting back against packet kiddiez.
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20:27<efudd>i've been efudd@efnet for a decade.
20:28<efudd>at some point there was another dude who tried to use efudd during my 'E' period but he lost.
20:29<Beirdo>you hunted that wabbit?
20:29<taupehat>I had to fight to get gloin back at freenode - I pointed out that even though I'd been gone for six months, I'd been there as gloin since openprojects days.
20:30<Beirdo>I have been Beirdo since day 1 using IRC in 1993
20:30<Beirdo>now now
20:30<Beirdo>be nice
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20:36[~]taupehat was something else on trex
20:36<taupehat>not taupehat, not gloin
20:36[~]taupehat shurgs
20:37<Beirdo>I miss the days of using telling random people in channels on efnet to go fuck themselves
20:37[~]efudd misses /rcol
20:37<taupehat>is it forbidden for you to do that now?
20:37<Beirdo>nah, I grew out of it
20:38<Beirdo>now I just tell off newbies in #mythtv-users on the other network...
20:38<efudd>rcol was "remote collide" which was a DCC based "chat" network built on top of irc servers that exploited the lack of timestamping
20:39<taupehat>Beirdo: you probably told me off a while ago for that... "Why are you using SuSE for this!?"
20:39<efudd>1.6TB/month of transfer for 19.95/month?
20:39<Beirdo>some people are just WAY too clueless.
20:39<Beirdo>it can be fun to tell people off
20:40<taupehat>for a good time grep -iw 'ubuntu' ~/.irssi/logs/freenode-debian
20:40<Beirdo>like the idiots who ask the same question over and over all day and ignore the 20 times they get an answer
20:40[~]taupehat has to share that one
20:45<internat>err whats /rcol ?
20:46<efudd>wow. just pulled 5.7MB/second from
20:46<efudd>internat, I explained it.
20:46<efudd>If it isn't something you grok()d, there is no hope.
20:46<internat>oh ok.. i dont really get how/why that works
20:46<efudd>It's, as they say, History.
20:47<taupehat>RFC'd into oblivion
20:47<taupehat>kinda like freenode...
20:50<@caker>btw, I deployed 2.6.15-linode16 today, if any of you want to test before I make it official
20:51<guinea-pig>i would, but i don't reboot frivolously
20:51<taupehat> 18:51:25 up 89 days, 52 min, 2 users, load average: 0.21, 0.19, 0.18
20:51<taupehat>not planning on it
20:51<guinea-pig>zork on the other hand...
20:51<taupehat>but thanks =]
20:51<internat>hehe i dont normally restart but hey the kernel panic killed my uptime
20:51<internat>have they worked out what is causing tha tproblem yet?
20:52<guinea-pig>taupehat: i've got you beat by a week
20:52<taupehat>mine would be over 200 days now but I wanted 2.6 for ipsec (which I then never used)
20:52<guinea-pig>ah heh
20:52<guinea-pig>i'm assuming my last reboot was a host-wide... but i really can't remember
20:53<guinea-pig>and that's all that matters.
20:53<npmr>guinea-pig, the memory upgrade?
20:54<npmr>i'm at 97 days, and that's the last thing i rebooted for
20:54<guinea-pig>ohyeah. much be
20:55<guinea-pig>oh yeah, must be
20:55<guinea-pig>reason enough
21:00<npmr>anybody know how inode permissions and ownership work out over various networked FUSE connectors?
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21:01<taupehat>tell me it isn't going to be like NFS...
21:02<npmr>if i had that option, that would work for me
21:03<taupehat>nfs is fine until you need to merge networks
21:03<npmr>i've got consistent uid/gid mapping across all of my systems on account of ldap auth
21:04<internat>hmms that was kinda stupid.. had telnetd installed
21:04[~]efudd point, laugh
21:05<internat>i suppose same uid/gid is always a good thing..
21:06<taupehat>it is helpful
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21:58<internat>do we get a link
21:59[~]taupehat has kicked linbot in the shins
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22:01<taupehat>yous how that bot =]
22:02<internat>lol now thats definatly a kewl bot
22:02<taupehat>except for when it barfs
22:25<cmantito> does a nix app like 'ps' know how big it's terminal window is so that it chops it's output to that many columns?
22:25<internat>theres a env variable set that says the ouputt
22:26<internat>err says the screen width
22:26<cmantito>that's what I thought
22:26<cmantito>however, I can't modify that variable.
22:26<internat>i would believe its sent by ur ssh/telnet client
22:26<cmantito>say, I wanted it to extend further than the terminal window.
22:27<cmantito>but that doesn't work.
22:27<internat>well i just resized my screen and it worked
22:27<cmantito>I mean, I can't modify it in the sense of not resizing it.
22:27<cmantito>I want it to be "bigger" than the screen actually is.
22:28<cmantito>or rather
22:28<internat>it works here
22:28<cmantito>the program, say 'ps', is setting it back to correct before running.
22:28<internat>but only works for one command then it resets
22:28<cmantito>so if I do COLUMNS=130, that works, but then, when I run ps, ps resets it BEFORE runnig.
22:28<cmantito>which defeats the purpose.
22:28<internat>declare -x COLUMNS-160
22:29<internat>err s/-/=
22:29<internat>mines running one command then resetting back
22:29<cmantito>mine gets set back before the command runs.
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22:30<internat>maybe its ur term
22:30<cmantito>my terminal window is 136 cols, but if I set columns to 50, and then run ps aux, it's still displayed at 136 cols.
22:33<internat>mine shunk down when i tested that
22:39<cmantito>ps axww
22:40<cmantito>ww = use as many columns as needed to fit all the data
22:43[~]npmr <3 ps fauxww
22:45<internat>wow, never seen the f part
22:50<cmantito>the 'f' part isn't in the bsd representation of ps
22:50<cmantito>it is in linux though
22:50<npmr>if by "linux" you mean "gnu" then yes
22:51<cmantito>by "linux" I mean the "box that is sitting on my desk with linux on it"
22:51<npmr>linux system generally use gnu ps
22:51<npmr>although there is an older ps that was only supplanted by the gnu version within the last few years
22:52<cmantito>oi, I don't care. :P
22:52<npmr>that older version was distributed with the util-linux package along with things like shutdown and mount
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23:51<[|^__^|]>procps baby
23:52<[|^__^|]> <-- npmr
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