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---Logopened Mon Jan 09 00:00:45 2006
00:11<warewolf>aww shit
00:11<warewolf>I found somebody doing something bad at work
00:11[~]warewolf has been crying the sky is falling on this particular issue, and now has caught someone abusing it
00:11[~]warewolf will fry joe-random employee at his office very soon.
00:12[~]warewolf writes up ticket
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03:44<Karnaugh>[0109 00h21.25] < fxf> hey i wounder dose lindo have this karnel
03:44<Karnaugh>what a moron
03:50<encode>i reckon
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04:23<warewolf>hay, eye wander dose lyenode have this colonel
04:25<dopey>anyone know how long it usually takes for reverse dns settings to kick in ? (I'm checking against an authorative server)
04:28<Karnaugh>hay, kan I get teh windows for lonoed?
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04:30<warewolf>give it 24-48h
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06:57<Internat>Karnaugh, no u cant
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07:49<RaSk>hello to all members of #linode!
07:50<RaSk>Does anyone have experience using bind9 with dhcp3?
07:50<RaSk>I don't know how to send the current host-name from the dhclient.conf configuration
07:51<npmr>i don't know what you mean by "send the current host-name from the dhclient.conf configuration"
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07:54<npmr>dhclient doesn't send anything, and at least on linode, the hostname that it receives from the dhcp server will be useless as far as it concerns the configuration of your own name server
07:55<RaSk>npmr: something like send host-name "(eval hostname)";
07:56<RaSk>nprm: that's for the dhcp client's
07:56<RaSk>nprm: they request for a new ip address
07:57<npmr>i think that you should staticly configure your ip address and remove dhclient
07:57<npmr>it will be a lot less confusing for you
08:00<RaSk>nprm: but what happends when you plug a new computer to the local network?
08:01<npmr>a new linode?
08:01<RaSk>no, a new computer to my personal local network, for an example
08:01<npmr>is this about a linode at all?
08:02<RaSk>I will send a request to the dhcp server to retrieve a new Ip address
08:02<RaSk>so, I will like to send the current host-name to the dhcp server, so he can update the dns recourse
08:03<npmr>i see
08:04<RaSk>the thing is that, if I put in dhclient.conf the, send host-name "newcomputer01", the dhcp will send a message to the dns server, so he can update the resourse
08:05<RaSk>but, if I don't do that, then the dns server won't update because he doesn't know the name of the host
08:05<RaSk>so, if I plug-in 200 host at the same time to the lan
08:06<RaSk>then it will be very simple to assign the 200 Ip address
08:06<RaSk>If a discover how to send tha actual host name from the dhclient.conf
08:06<RaSk>do you see?
08:07<RaSk>npmr, do have any idea how to solve this?
08:07<RaSk>npmr, do you have any idea how to solve this?
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12:03<richard>I had no idea that so many of my friends from #utah would be hanging out here.
12:10<[|^__^|]>ARE WE HAVING FUN YET?
12:14<[|^__^|]>richard: no Brokeback Mountain for you!
12:25<Newsome>hi, richard
12:29<richard>I'm looking for someone to discuss billing issues with. Is mgreb on?
12:29<@caker>richard: hmm, I PMed you a minute ago
12:29<@caker>richard: anyway -- you're in the queue, should see it within a week
12:30<richard>caker: I didn't get the PM. I'm using the web interface instead of GAIM, and I'm not sure that PM's work.
12:30<richard>caker: That's good to know. I appreciate the update. I won't bother anyone for another week then.
12:30<richard>caker: thanks a lot.
12:35<@caker>richard: no sweat
12:35<@caker>!weather 37216
12:35<linbot>caker: The current temperature in Nashville, Tennessee (37216) Conditions & is 57\xB0F (11:53 AM CST on January 09, 2006). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: 39\xB0F. Pressure: 30.21 in 1023 hPa. Visibility: 10.0 miles 16.1 kilometers.
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12:38<[|^__^|]>!weather 94618
12:38<linbot>[|^__^|]: The current temperature in Oakland, California (94618) Conditions & is 48\xB0F (9:53 AM PST on January 09, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 44\xB0F. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028 hPa. Visibility: 10.0 miles 16.1 kilometers.
12:38<[|^__^|]>It was below freezing this morning though
12:38<[|^__^|]>and since we have no heating around here
12:39<[|^__^|]>it was below freezing in our living room
12:39<@caker>no heating?
12:39<[|^__^|]>I just start cooking when it gets cold
12:39<[|^__^|]>well, we have dinky delonghi electric heater thingy
12:39<[|^__^|]>but that's pretty inefficient
12:40<@caker>!quote goog
12:40<linbot>caker: The current price of GOOG is 472.10, as of 1:25pm EST. A change of +6.44 from the last business day.
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12:43<kvandivo>insane, even
12:46<@caker>!quote hstm
12:46<linbot>caker: The current price of HSTM is 2.40, as of 1:01pm EST. A change of -0.02 from the last business day.
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13:45<Beirdo>I live in Toronto, and I don't use heat either
13:45<Beirdo>computers and TV heat my place
13:50<[|^__^|]>we use laptops and have no TV
13:50<Beirdo>how energy efficient of you. silly.
13:51<npmr>i know a couple of people in chicago who do not use heat
13:51<Beirdo>the other trick is to keep the windows closed :)
13:51<[|^__^|]>part of moving to linode was to cut down on fan noise in our flat
13:51<[|^__^|]>yeah, see, I bet you have adequate insulation
13:51<npmr>their apartments only get down to around forty degrees in winter, despite below zero outside
13:51<[|^__^|]>also we're on the ground floor and get little sun
13:51<[|^__^|]>but we do get ridiculous stagnant pools of hot air in the summer
13:52<[|^__^|]>the only way we can heat this place at all efficiently is to cook
13:52<[|^__^|]>which is fine by me
13:52<npmr>it's actually written into leases, though, that apartment tennants here have to maintain some minimum temperature
13:52<npmr>i forget what it is, though
13:53<npmr>to avoid the pipes freezing and bursting
13:53<[|^__^|]>yeah, apartment heating is kind of a tragedy of the commons
13:53<[|^__^|]>but it's also a major source of efficiency
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13:53<[|^__^|]>our building is just badly built. Our apartment is in the back in an added-on space
13:54<npmr>every apartment i've had since 2002 has had communal heat
13:54<[|^__^|]>but you've lived in places where people think about heating
13:54<npmr>landlords do a pretty good job insulating buildings like that
13:54<[|^__^|]>out here people still have the notion that it's california and thus the weather is always mild
13:55<npmr>ha ha
13:55<[|^__^|]>in Seattle there was a weird disbelief in the need for air conditioning
13:55<[|^__^|]>but at least there was heat for the times when you needed it
13:55<npmr>a couple of years ago when my girlfriend was looking for a job and apartment in sf she asked about heat and they laughed
13:56<npmr>it was like "what kind of heat does the apartment have?" "huh? oh, haha!"
13:56<[|^__^|]>I lived in a place in the richmond that had steam radiators
13:56<[|^__^|]>and it was on a weird system where you had to commit yourself by 5pm and they'd come on at 8
13:56<[|^__^|]>and if you backed out it'd leak condensation into the ground floor units
13:56<[|^__^|]>but nobody told us this
13:57<[|^__^|]>of course, the microclimate thing in SF being what it is, I never knew if I really wanted it until I was unhappy
13:57<[|^__^|]>and then there was no chance to decide
13:58<[|^__^|]>so usually I'd just turn it on and then leave the windows open for the fog to compensate
13:58<npmr>and the warm glow of zork was at the office
13:58<@caker>apartment at WVU that used to be a store front with full glass in the front of the apt + bad winter storm of '93 (or thereabout) == $600 gas bill and about 40 degrees inside with heat running constantly == dispute with landlord == eviction
13:58<[|^__^|]>yeah, back then zork was under my desk at USF
13:58<[|^__^|]>actually it was still back then
13:59<[|^__^|]>caker: Ha!
13:59<npmr>caker, that would never happen here
13:59<npmr>chicago has major tennants' rights regarding heat
14:01<npmr>even the cta charter has proscribed heating requirements for its vehicles
14:01<[|^__^|]>I sit here in an apartment just edging toward the 40s
14:01<[|^__^|]>and I still say I'll take this over hot weather any day of the week
14:02<npmr>i'm mostly an indoor cat
14:02<[|^__^|]>no more bicycling?
14:02<npmr>i get acclimated to cool air in the summer and hot in the winter
14:02<npmr>my bike was stolen in june
14:02<npmr>while i was in florida
14:03<[|^__^|]>wait, out of your apartment then?
14:03<[|^__^|]>or was the bike in florida too?
14:03<npmr>out of my girlfriend's building entrance
14:03<npmr>in chicago
14:03<npmr>yeah, behind a locked door, but not in the unit
14:04<npmr>hers was with it, but looked to the bannister
14:04<[|^__^|]>Our unit is by the back door
14:04<[|^__^|]>which people always leave unlocked
14:04<[|^__^|]>so I always hear miscreants rattling our doorknobs
14:04<[|^__^|]>and some folks used to keep their bikes under the stairwell
14:05<npmr>+120VDC will fix that
14:05<[|^__^|]>out of obvious sight
14:05<[|^__^|]>well I also once answered a knock on my kitchen door
14:05<[|^__^|]>and found a woman from another unit looking for the dumpster
14:06<encode>whats this 120V DC business?
14:06<encode>240V AC all the way baby
14:06<encode>AC is much more fun anyway
14:07<encode>i thought your power was 120V AC
14:07<npmr>it is
14:07<encode>why would you bother to convert that to DC
14:07<npmr>positive DC will suck all the electrons out, no skin effect, no saturation
14:07<encode>to protect the bike
14:07<Beirdo>DC is a killer
14:08<Beirdo>AC will just sting
14:08<encode>Beirdo: are you an electrician? have you ever been electrocuted?
14:08<encode>maybe 120V is different
14:08<Beirdo>electrical engineer
14:08[~]npmr raises his hand
14:08<Beirdo>and yes I have
14:08<Beirdo>with 240VAC
14:08<encode>but 240V AC is way way worse than 240V DC in my experience
14:08<Beirdo>several times
14:08<npmr>120VAC tingles
14:08<Beirdo>240VDC will kill you
14:08<encode>depending on the current of course
14:09<[|^__^|]>AC across the chest is super bad
14:09<encode>and where u are electrocuted
14:09<encode>anyway i must leave for work
14:09<Beirdo>if the current goes through the heart, you are toast. AC will screw you up, but you will likely survive
14:09<[|^__^|]>it's easier to recover fibrulation from a DC charge than AC
14:09<[|^__^|]>that's why defibrulators are DC
14:09<Beirdo>30VDC at decent current hurts like shit
14:10<Beirdo>it all sucks
14:10<[|^__^|]>I've had both AC and DC in my right arm
14:10<Beirdo>240VDC from elbow to hand
14:10<Beirdo>on the same arm
14:10<[|^__^|]>and to this day I touch wires only with the back of my hand
14:10<[|^__^|]>so that if they're live, I'll just reflexively clench away from them instead of around them
14:10[~]Beirdo slaps himself
14:11<[|^__^|]>but AC was just a momentary fire
14:11<[|^__^|]>120VAC at 60Hz
14:11<Beirdo>DC clenches your muscles
14:11<[|^__^|]>110 probably, now that I think about it
14:11<Beirdo>AC clench/release/clench/release.
14:11<[|^__^|]>less chance of crippling yourself
14:11<[|^__^|]>although it's still not good for yu
14:12<Beirdo>hehe, yeah, it still sucks badly enough
14:13<Beirdo>yeah, I still use no heat. it can be 10F outside, and my bachelor apt goes down to about 60F
14:13<Beirdo>definitely well insulated
14:13<kvandivo>is a bachelor apt one that hasn't yet found a good wife apt?
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14:13<[|^__^|]>kvandivo: one of these days it'll have a Jr. Apt
14:14<Beirdo>this bachelor apt has a fiancee house
14:15<Beirdo>and it has no heat at all
14:15<[|^__^|]>The one thing I loved about the last place I lived at in The City was the skylight
14:15<Beirdo>and doesn't need it
14:15<[|^__^|]>it let sunlight in on cold days and could open to just vent all the hot air on bad days
14:16<Beirdo>that would be a good feature
14:16<[|^__^|]>yeah, I had the attic
14:16<[|^__^|]>also I pretty much never turned on the lights
14:16<Beirdo>my next living place has palm trees in the front and back yards, and will likely never experience a temperature below 70F
14:17<[|^__^|]>sounds miserable
14:17<[|^__^|]>I hope you have air conditioning
14:17<Beirdo>only in the bedroom
14:17<kvandivo>sweat serves to cool the body
14:17<[|^__^|]>better than nothing
14:17<Beirdo>welcome to Puerto Rico, my friend
14:17<[|^__^|]>kvandivo: only if it's dry as a bone out
14:18<Beirdo>which it NEVER is
14:18<[|^__^|]>kvandivo: if it's humid out, the sweat has noplace to evaporate to, and serves only to insulate and trap heat in the body
14:18<Beirdo>(cold shower)++
14:18<[|^__^|]>hot weather is pretty much a sexual impulse killer
14:19<Beirdo>I didn't find that
14:19<npmr>i have fond memories of standing under waterfalls in the appalachians on 110+ degree days
14:19<Beirdo>the waterfall in the middle of El Yunque was great
14:19<npmr>the water was probably around 55 degrees
14:19<Beirdo>the water was at about 60F if that
14:19<Beirdo>and the air over 90F
14:19<Beirdo>it was GREAT
14:20<[|^__^|]>Yeah, I'd rather it were just 60F outside
14:20<Beirdo>well, San Fran's a good place for ya then
14:20<[|^__^|]>pity I'm in Oakland
14:21<Beirdo>could be worse
14:21<[|^__^|]>SF actually cools down in the summers, but this apartment is super uncomfortable in the summer
14:21<Beirdo>could be Sacramento or something
14:21<[|^__^|]>I have no idea how Octal does it
14:21<[|^__^|]>he moved from Minneapolis to Sacramento
14:21<Beirdo>better winters, I guess
14:21<npmr>minneapolis is no picnic in the summer
14:22<[|^__^|]>from kill-you-dead winters to the land of non-stop summer
14:22<[|^__^|]>yeah, I'll bet
14:22<[|^__^|]>lake country is usually muggy in summers
14:22<npmr>not as bad as chicago, but not much better
14:22<Beirdo>it would get toasty in the summer, and freeze the balls off the brass monkey in the winters
14:23<Beirdo>as far as I'm concerned, Minnesota residents are honorary Canadians :)
14:23<[|^__^|]>the biggest industrial empire in Sacramento befor ethe railway came was ice
14:23<Beirdo>mmm, ice
14:23<npmr>carted down from the sierra nevada?
14:24<Beirdo>I need to buy some Smirnoff Ice
14:25<Beirdo>not the same ice, I realize
14:29<[|^__^|]>ZOMG: '' banned for 5 knocks on 'SSH'.
14:30<[|^__^|]>hooray for fail2ban
14:30<npmr>!weather 60625
14:30<linbot>npmr: The current temperature in Chicago, Illinois (60625) Conditions & is 37\xB0F (1:56 PM CST on January 09, 2006). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 28\xB0F. Windchill: 28\xB0F. Pressure: 30.25 in 1024 hPa. Visibility: 10.0 miles 16.1 kilometers.
14:30<npmr>very mild
14:30<[|^__^|]>It's 54 degrees out, so I'm opening the window
14:31<[|^__^|]>It's stuck fast
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14:31<npmr>we got our subzero temps early this year
14:31<Beirdo>!weather yyz
14:31<linbot>Beirdo: The current temperature in Toronto-Pearson International, Ontario is 37\xB0F (3:00 PM EST on January 09, 2006). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: 28\xB0F. Windchill: 28\xB0F. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa. Visibility: 15.0 miles 24.1 kilometers.
14:31<npmr>january thaw was in late december
14:31<Beirdo>nice. exactly the same as Chicago
14:33<Beirdo>I should open the sliding door a bit when I get home
14:34<Beirdo>the problem with a well-sealed building... you are constantly recycling the same crappy air
14:34<Beirdo>gotta whip the window open for a bit to get fresh air
14:36<[|^__^|]>we get a bad dust problem on top of our lame heating problems
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14:47<Beirdo>yeah, that can suck
15:01<risto>is there some routing problem with theplanet going on?
15:02<risto>I'm seeing some packet loss between SBC and TP... seems like in transition from savvis to TP
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15:06<[|^__^|]>13:05 <%fo0bar> umm, wow. sprint is... down.
15:06<[|^__^|]>^-- WILD RUMOR
15:10<guinea-pig>sprint is in fact high
15:15<[|^__^|]>yeah, 1-800-sprint1 gives bad juju from wherever
15:17<encode>i wish it was nice and cold here now
15:17<encode>over the past few weeks we've had temps as high as 45 C
15:19<encode>(thats 113 F)
15:22<encode>yay, fail2ban has been busy overnight
15:23<fo0bar>[|^__^|]: I gave that as an example, we've been digging through hundreds of pages of work orders, web sites, etc. no sprint phone numbers work
15:23<fo0bar>local or national
15:24<fo0bar>our sprint cellphone employees are currently roaming and cannot get to 411/611
15:25<[|^__^|]>I know
15:26<[|^__^|]> <-- nothing yet
15:26<fo0bar>[|^__^|]: I know :(
15:35<@caker>sprint is weird here too
15:36<encode>i dont think .au has sprint
15:36<fo0bar>their data network seems to be up kinda, but their phone network seems to be melted
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15:42<JasonF>!weather RDU
15:42<linbot>JasonF: The current temperature in Raleigh-Durham International, North Carolina (27623) Conditions & is 64\xB0F (3:51 PM EST on January 09, 2006). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 50\xB0F. Pressure: 30.19 in 1022 hPa. Visibility: 10.0 miles 16.1 kilometers.
15:51<FireSlash>!weather CSCC
15:51[~]FireSlash fails :(
15:51<linbot>FireSlash: Error: Could not retrieve weather for "CSCC".
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16:28<gpd>last night hacked... this morning fried my BIOS on my desktop - welcome to 2k6
16:33<encode>ouch, thats a big pile of non-fun
16:34<gpd>seems there might be some hope of rescue for the bios - remove one of the memory sticks and the AGP card... gotta love PC architecture
16:35<encode>how did you manage to fry your bios?
16:35<gpd>not sure - MSI live update thing - does the flash in windows...
16:37<Redgore>windows, that explains it :P
16:38<encode>although updating bios is a problem - either do it in windows or you need a floppy drive
16:38<encode>which i don't have
16:42<Redgore>im sure there is a DrDOS cd image somewhere
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18:47<djayc>caker: I noticed my plan says I have 80MB RAM, but my linode is only reporting 60 of it.. is there something wrong?
18:47<encode>when was the last time you rebooted your linode?
18:48<encode>you have to restart it for the extra ram to take effect
18:48<djayc>it says 146 days ago, but I dont think that's right
18:48<djayc>damn I guess it is
18:48<djayc>yeah since Aug 15h
18:49<encode>well you have a choice
18:49<encode>eithre lose the uptime or gain the ram
18:49<djayc>alright well I guess I'll reboot tonight
18:49<encode>i choise to lose the uptime
18:49<djayc>thanks for pointing out about rebooting!
18:49<djayc>see ya
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19:56<Lego>heya, anyone know how to fix a "map : /proc/mm map failed, err = 12" error, not sure if its just me or if its my linode doing wacky and unusual things, never encountered it before but google tells me it could be a UML thing
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20:52<alex323>mikegrb / caker: Is there any news on linodes at HE yet?
21:52<linbot>New news from forums: Configuring virtual domains with Exim in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
21:54<npmr> <-- excellent
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22:42<[|^__^|]> <-- mikegrb
22:42<[|^__^|]>PROOF POSITIVE!
22:43<npmr>so reiser has a way higher roi, eh?
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22:51<linbot>New news from forums: Host36 panic in System and Network Status <>
22:51<Genmac>anyone here?
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23:01<JasonF>mikegrb: caker: is someone thrashing on my host (51, I think)
23:02<JasonF>okay, thanks. Something was acting screwy on here, but it cleared up
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