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#linode IRC Logs for 2006-01-15

---Logopened Sun Jan 15 00:00:43 2006
00:03[~]cmantito is listening to: Within Temptation - Stand my Ground
00:03[~]cmantito hugs his /itunes
00:04<taupehat>I like my song better =P
00:04<cmantito>yet I have no idea what your song is.
00:04[~]taupehat chortles
00:06[~]fo0bar is currently listening to: A computer room full of hot noisy servers
00:07[~]taupehat is actually listening to the local NPR station, which is kind enough to put on a punk rock show on Saturday nights =]
00:09<fo0bar>heh, our NPR itation is about 80% jazz
00:09[~]mikegrb is listening to npr via satelite
00:09<fo0bar>err station
00:09<fo0bar>I wish we had an all-news NPR station
00:09[~]mikegrb laffs at fo0bar
00:09[~]mikegrb has two all talk npr channels
00:10<fo0bar>is caker around?
00:10<@mikegrb>don't believe so
00:10[~]encode is currently listening to the soothing sounds of a keyboard and about 10 fans
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00:10<taupehat>we've got an npr station here that has 3 program streams
00:10<taupehat>it's pretty kickass
00:10<fo0bar>mikegrb: go upgrade finnix on host11, he told me it was ok for you to do so
00:11<fo0bar>also, he told me to tell you to give me an extra 10GB on my host16 linode
00:11<fo0bar>and a pony
00:11<encode>and to give me another 500GB of transfer on my linode
00:11<encode>for free
00:40<psykoyiko>mikegrb: also can you please spin some gold for rapunzel?
00:43<cow>so whats up with this xen transition
00:43<cow>are all hosts moving to it, or just new ones, or...?
00:44<@mikegrb>combination of both
00:44<@mikegrb>though people will be able to elect to remain with uml
00:44<taupehat>mikegrb: that's hard to parse...
00:48<cow>i tried the xen beta way back... i remember not being able to get centos3.1 to run on it, and thats what my node is running
00:49<cow>i'd have to redo the whole box if i wanted to migrate... that'd take some time
00:50<@mikegrb>if I remember correctly the issue was related to centos needing the disk to be read only at boot and was resolved
00:50<@mikegrb>caker would of course know more
00:51<taupehat>how's debian do with xen? =]
00:56<psykoyiko>Xen transition?!
00:56<taupehat>mikegrb: does that mean we all get 2 gigs of ram now?
00:58<@mikegrb>you can have 2 gigs of swap if you'd like
00:58<taupehat>probably use it, too =[
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01:23<fo0bar>taupehat: debain does rather well. the xen demo cd defaults to booting debian, and has it as a guest option
01:24<taupehat>I figured it would be
01:24<taupehat>SuSE's support for xen is startlingly good
01:24<@mikegrb>debian doesn't do anything weirdly
01:25<taupehat>but that's a desktop OS
01:25<@mikegrb>suse isn't any sort of os
01:25<taupehat>I'd go so far and suggest that SuSE is almost a fork of linux
01:25<taupehat>their kernel is so divergent from stock as to be almost unrecognizable
01:25<taupehat>well, ok, maybe that's putting it a little too strongly
01:25<@mikegrb>as are most distributions
01:25<taupehat>but it's way different =]
01:26<taupehat>nonetheless, I like it a lot for desktop use
01:26<@mikegrb>so is red hats
01:26<fo0bar>mikegrb: fedora is better than RHL was in that respect, they seem to have less patches and updates from more often
01:27<efudd>just played a game of 14.1 continuous (straight pool) with my friend who is two skill levels above me. he was ahead by ~32 balls and i ended up winning by 19.
01:27<efudd>race to 150.
01:27<taupehat>I pretty much gave up on redhat entirely with 8.2 (and bluecurve)
01:27<fo0bar>debian is probably the best... it includes patch, but you can always take a debian kernel's .config and run oldconfig against vanilla
01:27<fo0bar>taupehat: there was no rhl 8.2
01:27<taupehat>sure there was?
01:28<fo0bar>7.2, 7.3, 8.0, 9, fedora
01:28<taupehat>I used 7.x, 8.0, then 8.2 made me go WTF!
01:28[~]mikegrb stumbled across some red hat 6.0 manuals yesterday
01:28<@mikegrb>I've got some older mandrake manuals somewhere as well
01:29<taupehat>that's right, bluecurve came out with RHL 8.0
01:29<taupehat>bluecurve was a great way to offend and generally piss off KDE users
01:30<fo0bar>RHN has no mention of any releases between 8.0 and 9
01:30<taupehat>they wanted to forget it
01:30<taupehat>even so far as to deny it ever existed =]
01:30<fo0bar>are you sure you're not thinking of the severn betas?
01:31<taupehat>I clearly recall downloading a set of ISOs for 8.2
01:31<taupehat>and installing them
01:31<fo0bar>from Bob's House of Red Hat
01:31<fo0bar>in that shady alley
01:32[~]taupehat took the stupid pills again
01:32<taupehat>was thinking SuSE 8.2
01:32<fo0bar>YOU LOSE
01:33<taupehat>oh well
01:33<taupehat>redhad < SuSE for desktop linux
01:33<taupehat>bluecurve < dogpoo
01:33<fo0bar>now, if you really want to bash on crappy red hat releases (that actually existed), try 7.0 and 7.1
01:33[~]fo0bar shudders
01:33<taupehat>those were the easier of them for me
01:34<taupehat>in terms of actually working without a lot of kernel-fighting
01:34<taupehat>I'm very, very happy with debian for my servers...
01:35<taupehat>and SuSE is better than any other desktop that I've seen (after years of distro-whoring)
01:35<taupehat>so it looks like I have a combo that works4me =]
01:36<fo0bar>also, today I installed FC4 on a couple servers for another department (my department is all debian), and the damn thing would not start a graphical installation
01:36<fo0bar>I dunno, maybe a Rage XL card is "too hardcore" or something
01:36<fo0bar>I had to use VNC installation mode
01:36<taupehat>sad, very ad
01:37<fo0bar>I keep telling them "look, at the very least, install CentOS. neither CentOS nor Fedora has official (IE paid) support, but at least CentOS won't go out of update support after 1.5 years"
01:38<@mikegrb>vnc installation?
01:38<fo0bar>mikegrb: "linux vnc vncclient=" <-- then all you have to do is start the listening server on your workstation
01:39[~][|^__^|] installates mikegrb's vnc
01:39<@mikegrb>they don't have tty installs?
01:39<fo0bar>mikegrb: they do, but you can't do LVM partitioning through it :(
01:39<taupehat>fo0bar: does redhat still have Linus Torvalds' voice in sndconfig?
01:39<[|^__^|]>Don't hate me because I'm beautiful.
01:40<fo0bar>*shrug* I haven't done a "workstaion install" in about 3 years
01:40<[|^__^|]>Hate me because I murdered your family.
01:40<[|^__^|]>That's a much better reason
01:40<taupehat>I drag that wav out when needed...
01:40<taupehat>"Hello, this is Linus Torvalds, and I prounounce Linux... Linux."
01:40<fo0bar>but I seem to remember RHL9 having this multi-channel guitar thing as a test sound
01:40<taupehat>cracks me up to listen to
01:41<taupehat>they have both
01:41<efudd>not LIGHNUX you assholes!
01:41<[|^__^|]>however, nowadays he pronounces it "linnucks"
01:41<fo0bar>(rhymes with "finnix")
01:41<efudd>best friend insists it is "lienucks".. it's to the point where i just say leenux and he sais lienux and we ignore each other.
01:41<[|^__^|]>with the 'i' as in "it"
01:41<taupehat>the guy who runs the computer parts wholesaler prounounces it wrong, and I convinced his son to play that wav over the PA system one day at the right moment - was hilarious.
01:41<efudd>Yeah. I say linnucks.
01:42[~]mikegrb knows someone who says lienux
01:42<@mikegrb>but he pays me so I'll shudup
01:42[~]mikegrb runs away
01:42<efudd>I correct my friend with "linnucks" and he corrects me with "lienucks"
01:42<[|^__^|]>I morph the 'i' based on the part of speech
01:42<fo0bar>mikegrb lies to nux
01:42<efudd>sometimes i just call it tomatoe.
01:42<taupehat>efudd: your last name Quayle?
01:43<efudd>I invented the internet; you do the math.
01:43<efudd>hrm. firefox just told me that Windows media player performed an illegal operation. i wonder if that was the .wmv hax0r attempt.
01:43[~]efudd starts vscan.
01:44<fo0bar>efudd: that's wmf, not wmv
01:44<fo0bar>windows metafile
01:44<efudd>ha; this xp laptop has been running since 10/27/2005.
01:44<@mikegrb> <--awesome
01:45<[|^__^|]>>I think they call it a "spamming tree". Maybe the big iron switches saw
01:45<[|^__^|]>>its MAC address, decided it was a god, and started worshipping it.
01:45<fo0bar>wget -O - > /dev/dsp <-- on the router :)
01:45<fo0bar>(router is a headless laptop whose motherboard keeps frying video daughterboards)
01:46<@mikegrb>[|^__^|]: the initial post was nice too but that one there neatly somes up the jist of the thread
01:46<fo0bar>but I like routing audio through it for laffs
01:46<fo0bar>the asterisk server is also on it, so I play voicemails through it as well :)
01:46<taupehat>mikegrb: I had a lady do that with an ethernet cable at work
01:46<taupehat>so funny
01:46<taupehat>we had STP setup on the LAN overall so it didn't thrash anything but that one switch
01:46<[|^__^|]>taupehat: what, just patch two wall sockets together?
01:47<taupehat>she didn't know where to plug the extra cable in so found the nearest jack that fit
01:47<taupehat>that's what I said
01:47<[|^__^|]>so did she hax0r your g1bz0n?
01:47<fo0bar>ha ha "spamming tree"
01:47<[|^__^|]>fo0bar: I KNOW!
01:48<taupehat>her password was sex
01:50<@mikegrb> <-- [|^__^|]
01:50<@mikegrb>except, you may have seen that
01:50<[|^__^|]>bridge-playing hobos!
01:50<[|^__^|]>DO NOT HUMP
01:50<fo0bar>mikegrb: dude, I want your 8.2
01:50<[|^__^|]>taupehat: those are all over west oakland yard
01:50<taupehat>shaddup fo0bar
01:51<taupehat>[|^__^|]: this one's in a field in southern oregon
01:51<fo0bar>taupehat: hey, mikegrb was the one who continued the joke (you did see the url right?)
01:51<taupehat>yeah I see it
01:51<taupehat>it'll probably be 396 megs of GNAAGNAAGNAA all on one single line
01:51<@mikegrb>[|^__^|]: I can confirm they were playing cards, I can not confirm it being bridge
01:52<@mikegrb>[|^__^|]: I didn't see them at first, mrs mikegrb pointed them out as they made up the train
01:53<@mikegrb>[|^__^|]: a derailment happened about 15 ft from where that photo was taken about 3 weeks ago
01:53<@mikegrb>[|^__^|]: I missed it :<
01:53<@mikegrb><mikegrb> Can I go watch the trains?
01:53<@mikegrb><mrsmikegrb> Sure if you take lilgrb with you
01:53<@mikegrb><mikegrb> never mind
01:53<taupehat>come over here if you want to watch the trains
01:53<taupehat>they're hard to ignore
01:54<taupehat>about 30 feet from here
01:54<@mikegrb>next night I'm there and they were cleaning up
01:54<psykoyiko>mikegrb: how old is lilgrb now?
01:54<@mikegrb>it's a 15 minute drive from here and happened about an hour after I would have left home
01:54<@mikegrb>16 months
01:54<@mikegrb>somewhere in there
01:54<taupehat>mikegrb: enjoy that time
01:55<@mikegrb> <-- psykoyiko
01:55<taupehat>you know that whole thing about "terrible twos?" It's utter male bovine fecal matter. Three is much tougher. I'd redo two any day, even with poopy diapers.
01:55<psykoyiko>that is excellent.
01:56<@mikegrb>there are four equally good in the parent dir
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02:00<taupehat>mikegrb: you have a very patient cat
02:01<@mikegrb>it's not our cat
02:02<taupehat><- impressed
02:05<psykoyiko> <-- Frodo!
02:06<taupehat>the truth is out
02:07<taupehat>funny thing is - those sandals are pretty much all I wear when frostbite isn't a concern
02:09<taupehat>cake; rofl
02:09<taupehat>rofl; cake
02:09<@mikegrb>mmm cake
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06:36<Dreamr3>if i get a new linode new, where will it be?
06:36<Dreamr3>ca or tx?
06:57<Dreamr3>i just booted into 2.6 and I have no eth0
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07:38<psilocyben>G'day. The website won't send me a Registration email.
07:40<psilocyben>ah well. like lighting the cigarette when the bus comes.
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08:00<jekil>load average: 61.12, 59.74, 58.34
08:08<Dreamr3>jekil: wow, what box?
08:09<jekil>host 21
08:09<jekil>is very very slow in the last 3 weeks
08:10<Dreamr3>how do you get those #s?
08:10<jekil>so sorry but this is my last month with lindoe
08:10<jekil>command w
08:11<Dreamr3>command w?
08:11<Dreamr3>i can't get to lish on host22
08:11<Dreamr3>but my linode is working
08:12<Dreamr3>not my day
08:14<Dreamr3>where is the staff?
08:14<Dreamr3>jekil: is host 21 that bad?
08:15<Dreamr3>how do you get those load #s?
08:15<Dreamr3>with a bunch of linodes running those load #s might be normal
08:16<Dreamr3>my linode is slow sometimes, but i'm pushing RAm limits
08:16<Dreamr3>need more
08:16<Dreamr3>or to change something
08:16<Dreamr3>other than that great with few exceptions
08:16<Dreamr3>you arne't over extending your memory are you?
08:18<jekil>in the last weeks i have shutdown a lot of deamons to have more free ram
08:18<jekil>but the machine is always slow
08:22<Dreamr3>maybe people just weren't using their boxes before
08:22<Dreamr3>what plan are you on?
08:22<Dreamr3>if it's an 80 you're only guaranteed 100mhz
08:23<Dreamr3>of course it should be more, but doesn't have to be
08:23<Dreamr3>define "slow"
08:27<kvandivo>Not moving or able to move quickly; proceeding at a low speed; Marked by a retarded tempo; Taking or requiring a long time:... that sort of thing
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08:29<jekil>my plan is 80 and worked GREAT for a lot of months, now with LESS services the machine is slow
08:29<jekil>now, if he worked for 6 months, why now is slow?
08:29<jekil>so sorry but this is my last month with linode
08:33<Dreamr3>jekil: what does "slow" mean
08:33<Dreamr3>jekil: what is slow about it
08:33<Dreamr3>mikegrb: i can't log into lish on host22
08:33<Dreamr3>mikegrb: and when i boot 2.6 eth0 is MIA
08:36<jekil>Dreamr3: WTF slow means tha amount of load that I have pasted
08:37<Dreamr3>jekil: is that your linode? or the host? i'm still not sure how you got that
08:37<Dreamr3>jekil: and like i said... if there are a lot of linodes that load might be quite normals
08:37<Dreamr3>1 per linode would be considered normal louad i believe
08:38<Dreamr3>jekil: no need to curse
08:38<jekil>WTF, i said two times, this is my linode, output of w, you read? or only type?
08:42<Dreamr3>i get you now
08:42<Dreamr3>that's a problem with your linode dude
08:42<JasonF>jekil: I'd bet you hit the I/O limiter
08:42<Dreamr3>not the linode service
08:42<JasonF>you have a runaway process swap-thrashing
08:43<JasonF>or something like that
08:43<JasonF>do this command: cat /proc/io_status
08:43<Dreamr3>load average: 0.05, 0.13, 0.14
08:43<JasonF>then run uptime again and let me know the numbers
08:43<JasonF> 09:43:20 up 34 days, 7:47, 2 users, load average: 0.08, 0.09, 0.08
08:43<JasonF>io_count=15423218 io_rate=0 io_tokens=399995 token_refill=512 token_max=400000
08:43<JasonF>that's what your io_status should look like
08:43<Dreamr3>JasonF: yeah, he defaintely has a problem with his setup
08:44<jekil>Dreamr3: dude it's you
08:44<Dreamr3>jekil: and i repeat, no reason to cuss
08:44<jekil>my setup works for 6 months with no problem
08:44<Dreamr3>jekil: you have a runaway process or severay
08:44<Dreamr3>jekil: maybe you got hacked
08:44<JasonF>jekil: what do you mean by "it's you" ... me nor Dreamr3 are Linode staff
08:44<jekil>hacked?! rotlf
08:44<Dreamr3>too funny
08:44<JasonF>jekil: it's happened before to people who have had similar problems
08:44<Dreamr3>jekil: that load means something is deadly wrong with your box
08:45<Dreamr3>it'll be sad to see you leave over something that isn't the services fault
08:45<Dreamr3>and you may just run into elsewhere
08:45<jekil>JasonF: all what you want, but sure that i am not hacked..
08:46<JasonF>jekil: okay, will you run the commands I gave?
08:46<JasonF>cat /proc/io_status
08:46<JasonF>and paste in the output
08:48<JasonF>that means you've hit the io limiter
08:48<JasonF>which means you have some process hammering the harddisk
08:48<JasonF>I'd help you find out which one, but I have to go to my hockey game now
08:49<Dreamr3>any linode would be slow with that much rate limiting
08:49<Dreamr3>you should file a ticket
08:50<Dreamr3>i've been rate limited before for swap thrashing, but never like that
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09:38<edasque>hey guys. Once you get confirmation of your linode order, how long does it take for them to check it and assign you a node ?
09:43<warewolf>edasque: not long, although it is a manual process.
09:44<warewolf>edasque: they get an email when people sign up
09:44<warewolf>edasque: the linode staff here are mikegrb and caker
09:44<edasque>so if I did it yesterday morning, it's normal I haven't received it yet, right /
09:44<warewolf>if it is a pressing matter, I believe you can email
09:45<warewolf>or do like everyone else, and post on the forums at
09:45<warewolf>there's an "activation thread" I believe
09:45<edasque>nor pressing, I was just hoping to play with it during the extended week-end
09:50<warewolf>god I wish wasn't so microsoft-centric.
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11:35<_root>host50 is down?
11:36<cmantito>appears so.
11:37<_root>damm :(
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11:45<bball>is something wrong with host50 ?
11:46<bball>I can't access my node and I can't ping
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11:56<bball>is nobody else having problem with host50 or everyone just idling now :-)
11:57<@mikegrb>bball: working on it
11:58<bball>ok.. thanks
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12:21<@linbot>New news from forums: Host 50 Panic in System and Network Status <>
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16:34<marc_in_lux>good evening
16:35<marc_in_lux>is there a way to disable password ssh access to lish?
16:36<[|^__^|]>that was my question when I first signed on
16:36<[|^__^|]>I lock down everything to opie and ssh key-auth, and it's kind of unnerving that lish is accessible with a password that the management pages won't even allow to have non-alpha characters
16:37<[|^__^|]>or I guess alnum
16:37<[|^__^|]>I got no answer, but things may have improved since.
16:39<marc_in_lux>other question... did anybody manage to make fuse work? I'm stuck...
16:43<marc_in_lux>filesystems in userspace
16:43<[|^__^|]>user-space filesystems
16:44<kvandivo>systems for the user in filespace
16:45<@mikegrb>marc_in_lux: could do it manually (disable lish password)
16:46<marc_in_lux>mikegrb, how can I do that?
16:46<@mikegrb>we could do it for you, sorry, wan't very clear
16:47<marc_in_lux>ah, ok. Should I put in a ticket for that?
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16:47<@mikegrb>yeah, go ahead and put a ticket in right quick, stick around, I'll have you double check that you can still get in
16:48<Battousai>also, don't tell anybody which host you're on :)
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16:48<marc_in_lux>mikegrb, give me a couple minutes, need to set up a keypair for it first.
16:52<marc_in_lux>ok, mikegrb, ticket is in
16:52<@mikegrb>give it a shot
16:53<marc_in_lux>well, actually I'm still trying to get out... ctrl-c doesn't seem to work
16:53<@mikegrb>are you viewing your console? if so ^A and then D
16:53<marc_in_lux>yes, it's screen.. .sorry
16:55<marc_in_lux>wonderful - works like advertised
16:56<marc_in_lux>thanks, mikegrb
16:56<marc_in_lux>[|^__^|], you know what to do :-)
16:56<@mikegrb>I'll talk to caker about making it an option on the website
16:57<@mikegrb>marc_in_lux: note, if you change your password on the website, password auth to lish will be re-enabled
16:57<@mikegrb>marc_in_lux: so you'll need to have us disable it again
16:58<marc_in_lux>ok... so if my password is compromised, an attacker would still gain access.
16:58<marc_in_lux>well.. anyways, he would :-)
17:00<[|^__^|]>what would, of course, rock the kasbah is if someone used the javurscript otp-md5 stuff used on to do a hidden challenge-response login system for linode
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17:02<marc_in_lux>that's java, not javascript
17:02<[|^__^|]>You are looking at the wrong spot
17:02<marc_in_lux>and it doesn't work in my browser...
17:02<[|^__^|]>the ssh client is java
17:03<marc_in_lux>ah, ok
17:03<[|^__^|]>and doesn't work in *my* browser either
17:03<marc_in_lux>too quick
17:03<[|^__^|]>but the otp calculator is javascript
17:03<[|^__^|]>and works everywhere I've needed it
17:03<marc_in_lux>I like the authentication my homebanking does...
17:03<womble>Are you a criminal? ( ) Yes ( ) No
17:03<marc_in_lux>username, password plus 2 digits out of a security code
17:03<marc_in_lux>that you have on a card.
17:04<[|^__^|]>I used to work at VA Linux
17:04<marc_in_lux>not as safe as rolling pw's, but still...
17:04<[|^__^|]>and the sysadmin there got all opie
17:04<[|^__^|]>and insisted that nobody run otp-md5 on any net-connected machines because they can be hacked
17:04<[|^__^|]>so everyone got palm pilots, which i refuse to use on licensing grounds
17:04<marc_in_lux>what is opie... apart from that pda system?
17:04<[|^__^|]>so I printed out a list of 500 passphrases and kept it folded in my passport
17:04<[|^__^|]>one-time passwords in everything
17:05<[|^__^|]>pam module for otp
17:05<[|^__^|]>anyway, so marc got all furious
17:05<[|^__^|]>because someone might *find* this piece of paper and connect it to my account at VA
17:05<[|^__^|]>which was nonsense on the face of it
17:05<[|^__^|]>but still much less likely than a pilot getting hacked by his network bogeymen during syncup
17:06<[|^__^|]>of course, people took the opportunity to argue that since PalmOS is a *bad* proprietary OS on *chips*, it was therefore somehow not a proprietary operating system
17:06<[|^__^|]>"It's *firmware*!"
17:07<marc_in_lux>just looking up opie, it looks nice :-)
17:07<[|^__^|]>oh yes thank you for that wonderful distinction without a difference
17:07<marc_in_lux>ok, maybe I'm not strong enough... but palms work quite nicely for their task. Have me pay twice the price for a comparable open system, and I'd gladly buy
17:08<marc_in_lux>firmware in my toyota is proprietary, too...
17:08<[|^__^|]>yes yes, there are always technical arguments for using proprietary software
17:08<[|^__^|]>yes, well, I despise automobiles for other reasons
17:08<[|^__^|]>but the point is that I don't care if there's a chip in my food processor with code on it
17:09<[|^__^|]>but a palm pilot is a generally useful computing device that loads and unloads programs etc etc
17:09<marc_in_lux>don't consider my palm that. It's a calender, todolist and address book
17:09<[|^__^|]>I'll consider it whatever I like. Don't tell me what not to consider.
17:10<@mikegrb>marc_in_lux: for my bank, if you login from home computer with a cookie, you get a little image and phrase that you specify ahead of time to prove that they really are your bank, and then you sign in with password
17:10<marc_in_lux>no hard feelings...
17:10<@mikegrb>marc_in_lux: if you aren't at home, you type your username and random crap into the password box, then it shows you one of 6 questions you picked from a possible 30 or so
17:10<marc_in_lux>what do you use as a PDA-type device, [|^__^|]
17:11<Battousai>i have a zaurus 5500 with a burnt out battery that lasts 5 minutes
17:11<@mikegrb>if you answer it right, it shows you the picture and phrase and then you type your password
17:11<encode>marc_in_lux: i find my brain to be a useful substitute
17:11<marc_in_lux>sounds good too, mikegrb
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17:11<marc_in_lux>Battousai, zaurus' are cool... but so expensive, and so large...
17:12<marc_in_lux>encode, try juggling 120 todos...
17:12<marc_in_lux>I have a palm z22
17:12<marc_in_lux>90 grams
17:12<[|^__^|]>marc_in_lux: I use a moleskine notebook
17:12<[|^__^|]>cheap, energy-efficient, and crash-proof
17:13<[|^__^|]>and juggling hundreds of tasks is not hard if you just make use of simple office supplies
17:13[~]mikegrb would have a problem replacing his palm's address book with a notebook but it isn't his primary use for it
17:13[~]mikegrb 's palm is a mobile linode host recovery tool
17:14<encode>marc_in_lux: yeah, i dont usualy have so may todo's
17:14<encode>i have an old palm m100 that i never really used
17:15<marc_in_lux>[|^__^|], never could get along on paper... but I guess it's personal preference.
17:15<marc_in_lux>I have to admit, never really considered my palms proprietary in the 'bad' way.
17:16<marc_in_lux>really bad (bug ridden, non functioning sync, lots of weird restrictions) are mobile phones.
17:16<marc_in_lux>but, then, as sad, I am maybe not as pure as you...
17:17<marc_in_lux>in terms of free software.
17:17<[|^__^|]>I always love the condescending way that term is used, as if to portray its speaker as a giant of pragmatic good sense.
17:18<@mikegrb>[|^__^|] uses proprietary software everyday!
17:18<@mikegrb>I have logs!
17:19<[|^__^|]>I don't even use *software* every day!
17:20<@mikegrb>your linode does
17:20<marc_in_lux>[|^__^|], depends on what you consider software and what you consider 'use'
17:20<[|^__^|]>mikegrb: I know caker still humps qmail every morning
17:21<@mikegrb>but linode is built on proprietary software
17:21<[|^__^|]>oh yeah, the coldefusione
17:21<@mikegrb>and the whole linode system
17:21<@mikegrb>it's proprietary as well
17:22<taupehat>free the nodes!
17:22<[|^__^|]>well the whole system hasn't been distributed to anyone, making the distinction academic
17:23<marc_in_lux>well, gentlemen... I'll read this up in the irc logs tomorrow morning. It's 0:25... good night.
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18:19<Beirdo>yay for amanda
18:19<Beirdo>amrestore just saved my substantial ass
18:21<taupehat>substantial? Like hello.jpg substantial? Yikes!
18:22<Beirdo>no comment
18:22<Beirdo>anyways, just restored my customized script that an svn upgrade blew away
18:22<Beirdo>gotta be more careful with this :)
18:23<Beirdo>weekly backups are good, mmkay? :)
18:23<taupehat>what I get more often is apt-get upgrade on a mailserver followed immediately by the sound of the phone ringing
18:23<Beirdo>yeah, that sucks
18:23<taupehat>it's actually a good way to ferret out misconfigured mail clients
18:23<Beirdo>I was like "where the hell are my commit emails?"
18:24<Beirdo>ooops, my script ain't there, there's some... stock one. OOOPS
18:25<Beirdo>got to practise my amrecover-fu
18:25<taupehat>my other favorite BOFH trick is when I find a machine trying really hard to update its spyware, and I find that the computer has a name like '9824HF' and is joined to 'Workgroup' - rather than spending hours trying to find the machine physically, I simply use mac address matching to drop it from the gateway and wate for the phone to ring =]
18:25<taupehat>then it finds me
18:25<Beirdo>hehe, that can work
18:25<taupehat>works really well
18:26<Beirdo>and if there's no call, then someone got owned and the call will come later
18:26<Beirdo>meanwhile it won't be messing with your internet bandwidth
18:26<Beirdo>all is good
18:26<taupehat>I was using squid to do the dropping simply because it's easier, but I found that people call faster when they can't get email or connect to their homedir on the server
18:27<Beirdo>drop it right at the switch :)
18:27<taupehat>my favorite question: "Is the server down?"
18:27<taupehat>me (looking at a rack full of servers): "Which one?"
18:27<Beirdo>if it was... WHY WOULD I BE ANSWERING THE PHONE?!
18:27<Beirdo>some users are so dumb :)
18:28<taupehat>not dumb
18:28<taupehat>most of my users are schoolteachers. so they're really good at that, but some of them don't have the foggiest about computers
18:28<Beirdo>well as users, they are dumb :)
18:29<Beirdo>as humans, they are likely smarter than you or I :)
18:30<Beirdo>wonder if there is anything else I should break
18:31<taupehat>rm -rf /etc/apache; /etc/init.d/apache restart
18:31<Beirdo>won't work
18:31<Beirdo>I run apache2
18:31<Beirdo> :)
18:32<taupehat>which do you think has a smaller memory footprint assuming the need to support php and mysql? apache or apache2?
18:32<Beirdo>hmm, I dunno
18:32<Beirdo>they are both rather hoggish :)
18:32<taupehat>since I'm on an L80, that matters.
18:33<Beirdo>yeah, so am I. I use apache2
18:33<Beirdo>takes a bit of tweaking
18:33<taupehat>frankly, the main reason I haven't upgraded is laziness
18:33<Beirdo>I'm hungry again
18:33<taupehat>and also I run mod_msff which works a lot better on apache1
18:34<Beirdo>well, maybe apache1 is your best friend :)
18:34<taupehat>it works well enough
18:34<Beirdo>and it serves >2G files. apache2 doesn't
18:34<Beirdo>idiots removed largefile support
18:35<Beirdo>not that ya usually need it
18:36<taupehat>why the hell would you serve a 3 gig file from apache?
18:36<Beirdo>mythtv recordings, serving on my home network
18:36<Beirdo>over the internet, I never would
18:37<taupehat>I guess if you wanted to serve up ISO images for dvd installs of a distro...
18:42<edasque>anyone from linode around ?
18:43<@caker>edasque: hello
18:46<edasque>caker: see prvt msg
19:16<warewolf>mod_msff is teh awesomeness
19:19<warewolf>Eminem re-married Kim
19:19<warewolf>lo, the irony
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19:34<Can0beans>looking for a VPS service
19:35<Can0beans>does linode provide some form of snapshotting?
19:35<warewolf>why would you need it?
19:35<Can0beans>as added protection
19:35<Can0beans>in case I screw something up....
19:35<@mikegrb>Can0beans: yes, though not live
19:36<warewolf>I stand corrected
19:36<Can0beans>mikegrb, can you explain?
19:36<Can0beans>or provide a link where I can read?
19:36<@mikegrb>you need to shutdown or have the image unmounted to make a duplicate
19:36<Can0beans>you need the disk space in the account then?
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19:37<Can0beans>do you have a howto on that process some place?
19:37<Can0beans>I'd like to read it....
19:37<@mikegrb>not that I'm aware of
19:38<Can0beans>I'm moving from another VPS service potentially
19:38<Can0beans>they don't offer the web interface like you guys jave
19:38<@mikegrb>the disk images tab of the member's site acts like say Partition Magic or some other form of graphical partitioner
19:38<Can0beans>and no method of snapshot
19:38<@mikegrb>and has an option at the bottom to make a copy of an existing image
19:39<Can0beans>what kind of uptime do your hosts typically have?
19:39<@mikegrb> <-- has some screenshots of the member's site
19:39<@mikegrb>it varies, some hosts are up around 600 days
19:39<@mikegrb>some are shorter, we've been having problems with a cpu/kernel bug that effects a few hosts but that should go away with the move to xen
19:40<Can0beans>which will happen when?
19:40<@mikegrb>first quarter 2006
19:41<Can0beans>how easy is it to move an image from UML to Xen?
19:42<Can0beans>how big of an operation will that be?
19:42<Can0beans>or will UML accounts stay UML?
19:42[~]taupehat notices that it is currently first quarter 2006
19:42<@mikegrb>it will be a matter of shutting down via the website, clicking a migrate button, and then clicking boot
19:43<Can0beans>if I buy an 80
19:43<Can0beans>when they are availalbe
19:43<Can0beans>and I want to go to 120
19:43<Can0beans>is there a setup fee for that move?
19:45<Can0beans>and Wednesday is when the 80's are expected, right?
19:45<Can0beans>Does that mean a new host is being brought online?
19:45<@mikegrb>there may very well be new ones before then
19:45<@mikegrb>yes, I believe so
19:46<@mikegrb>at least one or two
19:46<Can0beans>I'm going to seriously consider relocating my stuff
19:46<@mikegrb>but watch before then as well, cancellations and such
19:46<Can0beans>to you guys
19:47<Can0beans>last question
19:47<Can0beans>what kernel?
19:48<Can0beans>2.6, good
19:48<Can0beans>I'm stuck at 2.4 with my current
19:48<taupehat>you can have 2.4 if you want it, too
19:48<taupehat>I'm working from the "debian small" distribution
19:49[~][|^__^|] pings out
19:49<Can0beans>I think my current host is using linode kernels
19:49[~][|^__^|] tries to reach host27
19:49<taupehat>loved setting it up, since I could really minimalize what I have on the host
19:49<@mikegrb>Can0beans: heh
19:49<[|^__^|]>did host27 just reboot?
19:50<[|^__^|]>oh man
19:51<[|^__^|]>logview stored all the output of top, which I left running for a couple days
19:51<Can0beans>thanks mikegrb for you answers
19:51<taupehat>[|^__^|]: nice one
19:52<[|^__^|]>is there a way to see just the tail of logview?
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19:52<[|^__^|]>yes, as in "logview | tail -25" or some such
19:52<warewolf>wtf is logview
19:53<[|^__^|]>warewolf: it's a lish command
19:53<[|^__^|]>logview - view contents of console log
19:53<warewolf>aka dmesg
19:53<@mikegrb>well, you are in less so any less commands will work
19:53<[|^__^|]>yes, but it works even when your linode isn't running
19:53<warewolf>er no wait
19:53<[|^__^|]>mikegrb: I see no less commands, just scrolling and then the output of that top i ran
19:54<@mikegrb>thought it was less
19:54<[|^__^|]>no, it's cat :<
19:54<[|^__^|]>less is probably risky
19:54<[|^__^|]>since you may be able to shell ou of it or something
19:54<taupehat>I assume more would have the same problem
19:54<[|^__^|]>I just want to see if there was an oops or anything
19:55<Battousai>mikegrb: you must add the command line option -n to logview
19:55<@mikegrb>Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 frotz tty0
19:55<@mikegrb>frotz login: init_new_context_skas - new_mm failed, errno = -23
19:55<@mikegrb>init_new_context_skas - new_mm failed, errno = -23
19:55<@mikegrb>init_new_context_skas - new_mm failed, errno = -23
19:55<@mikegrb>init_new_context_skas - new_mm failed, errno = -23
19:55<@mikegrb>Battousai: yes
19:55<Battousai>mikegrb: for you are the moon master
19:56<[|^__^|]>that's mmu.c...
19:56<[|^__^|]>I wonder if it was a swap erroration
19:56<@caker>host27 go boom?
19:56<warewolf>not boom.
19:57<warewolf>and I don't know
19:57<@caker>[root@host27 root]# uptime
19:57<@caker> 20:57:12 up 11 min, 4 users, load average: 0.86, 0.75, 0.41
19:57<@mikegrb>it rebooted itself?
19:57<[|^__^|]>caker: well, I'd like an fsck now if I could
19:57<Battousai>my router went bewm overnight
19:57<@caker>guess so
19:57<Battousai>but it only had like 150 days on it
19:58<warewolf>this has me laughing my ass off:
19:58<NeonNero>host27 responds well to ping from my end, too
19:58<[|^__^|]>NeonNero: yeah, it rebooted, but came up
19:58[~]NeonNero sees that he forgot to scroll back a little
19:59<taupehat>warewolf: hilarious. What's even better is that firefox animates the image in the location where favico goes
19:59<warewolf>taupehat: yeah
20:00<taupehat>nasty-looking fall though
20:00<warewolf>the force is poerthe force is powe
20:00<taupehat>wanna bet there's a lawsuit from that fall?
20:00<taupehat>store left a trapdoor open
20:00<[|^__^|]>someone else who uses ^U!
20:00[~]warewolf wonders why his ^U went through unadulterated
20:01<[|^__^|]>hooray for neglected-yet-damn-useful tty control characters
20:01<[|^__^|]>warewolf: I'll guess you're on irssi, which has a "whoa this is so fast it must be a paste" detector
20:01<warewolf>katmari- ^U/^K are extremely useful.
20:01<[|^__^|]>sometimes lag can trigger it
20:01<warewolf>yeah lag did it
20:01<[|^__^|]>as are ^W
20:01<warewolf>I rarely use ^W
20:01<[|^__^|]>when I find a process hanging that needs restart
20:01[~]mikegrb uses ^W 1000 times a day
20:02<[|^__^|]>I hold down the Ctrl key (which for some bizarre reason is named Caps Lock even though it does not lock down my keycaps) and tap out CPJ
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20:02[~]taupehat curses the eggdrop config file, which first asks for TZ and then asks for TZ offset. WTF
20:02<[|^__^|]>^C -> kill, ^P -> up arrow/previous, ^J -> LF
20:02<gene203>Hi, my server on host27 is not responding.
20:03<[|^__^|]>ha ha eggdrop
20:03<[|^__^|]>gene203: yeah, host27 just rebooted
20:03<warewolf>gene203: it just rebotoed
20:03<Battousai>ha ha, tz
20:03<warewolf>I have to go with katmari here, "hah hah, eggdrop"
20:03<gene203>okay, I just wondered if your are working on it.
20:03<[|^__^|]>Eggdrop is so very 1992
20:03<warewolf>gene203: caker/mikegrb noticed it, it apparently rebooted on its own
20:03<[|^__^|]>Op me cos I'm lame!
20:03<[|^__^|]>Op me cos I'm lame!
20:03<Battousai>mikegrb: you heard the man
20:03|-|[|^__^|] kicked [#linode] mikegrb [ops 2 u]
20:03<@caker>mikegrb: I don't think TP has ping monitoring working for host27
20:04<taupehat>I'm putting an AI bot in a different channel I'm on
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20:04<@caker>[root@host27 root]# cat /proc/sys/kernel/panic
20:04<@mikegrb>my finger slipped
20:04<@mikegrb>hit the wrong key
20:04<@caker>^-- 15 minutes without notification
20:04<@mikegrb>they check every 5 minutes but not every box every 5 minutes
20:05<[|^__^|]>FYI, that was the default eggdrop op request msg when last I looked at it in 1994
20:05<Battousai>oh, it still is
20:05<[|^__^|]>if you didn't op it, it'd just keep bleating that
20:05<Battousai>every 30 seconds
20:05<taupehat>I need to figure out what the frickin tz offset is for pst
20:05<Dreamer3>mikegrb: hey
20:05<taupehat>why ask for tz if it doesn't set offsset
20:05<Dreamer3>mikegrb: i booted 2.6, but my eth0 didn't work
20:06<taupehat>something like that
20:06<[|^__^|]>and since they had their own OOB network with all sorts of goofy trust set up, one compromised eggdrop could root a whole cluster of the damn things
20:06<Battousai>est is -5
20:06<Dreamer3>*goes to check on ticket*
20:06<Battousai>unless it's dst
20:06<Battousai>when it's -4
20:06<[|^__^|]>PST is -8, PDT is -7
20:06<Dreamer3>no reponse yet?
20:06<[|^__^|]>Dreamer3: they're working on the host reboot
20:07<Dreamer3>host reboot?
20:07<Battousai>dst sucks
20:07<taupehat>I just resent having to specify both
20:07<Battousai>i demand 4am sunrise
20:07<taupehat>either assk for tz or ask for offset
20:07<taupehat>but ffs
20:07<taupehat>ask for both?
20:08<[|^__^|]>Dreamer3: host27 rebooted about 20 minutes ago
20:08<gene203>is host27 still booting now?
20:08<[|^__^|]>that is
20:08<[|^__^|]>I'm in list
20:09<[|^__^|]>but I'm waiting to boot my node until I've seen that things have settled down on the host
20:09<warewolf>gene203: check your linode status page, log in and see if your linode has booted.
20:09<Dreamer3>i just wonder why 2.6 kernel didn't work at all
20:09<@mikegrb>[|^__^|]: the host will boot your linode for you
20:09<[|^__^|]>I just saw the queue entry
20:09<gene203>it sais "Host initiated restart" is "in progress" still.
20:09<[|^__^|]>gene203: yeah, those run in series to keep a dozen fscks from swamping I/O
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20:09<warewolf>gene203: then there's nothing you can do, except wait for it to come up.
20:10<gene203>okay, I see.
20:10<warewolf>gene203: I would suggest not submitting any commands, for your requests will be at the end of the queue and only delay things further
20:10<Dreamer3>i wonder if a linode 80 could run a nice mail server
20:10<[|^__^|]>Dreamer3: It could, neatly.
20:10<Dreamer3>with spam filtering and complex stuff?
20:10<@mikegrb>sane spam filtering
20:11<[|^__^|]>how complex do you have in mind?
20:11<Dreamer3>i want a Rail web admin :-)
20:11<[|^__^|]>that's not mail
20:11<[|^__^|]>that's Web
20:11<gene203>warewolf: okay.. I also wonder if you guys replaced the hardware that causes the problem.
20:11<Dreamer3>so toss out 30mb :-)
20:11<Dreamer3>i need a web interface to configure mail :-)
20:11<[|^__^|]>hmmm, I don't know how well that would work
20:11<warewolf>gene203: I'm not a linode admin, mikegrb and caker are. I was just giving suggestions ;)
20:12<gene203>warewolf: oh I see. thank you for answering me.
20:12<[|^__^|]>gene203: caker has already sent in hardware to be installed, but they're waiting on shipping and installation, based on chatter in here
20:12<Dreamer3>[|^__^|]: I want postifx, greylisting, and db driven mailboxes all powered by sqlite :-)
20:12<[|^__^|]>18:53 <@caker> Well, we're going to have to limp along on host27 for a few days
20:12<[|^__^|]>until, then we'll move everyone off.
20:12<[|^__^|]>18:53 <@caker> *until I can have TP install some hardware*
20:12<[|^__^|]>18:54 <@caker> I'll ship it tommorrow overnight, they'll likely get it done over the weekend
20:13<[|^__^|]>Dreamer3: dunno about the db-driven mailboxes, but postfix and postgrey are pretty light on RAM
20:13<[|^__^|]>Dreamer3: I find that Maildir works great especially with caching
20:13<[|^__^|]>Dreamer3: and may be faster than a heavy RDBMS
20:13<Dreamer3>[|^__^|]: db drive mailbox are easy... admin with a nice interface... then scripts to dump the db stuff to flat files for postfix since it doesn't support sqlite
20:13<[|^__^|]>Dreamer3: or lighter on RAM
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20:13<Dreamer3>[|^__^|]: oh no, i don't need the mail in the database
20:14<Dreamer3>[|^__^|]: i juse want to add new accounts that way, etc
20:14<[|^__^|]>why not just use the normal posthashed db files?
20:14<Dreamer3>i want to use a Rails app to manage all this :-)
20:14<Dreamer3>and that'll use sqlite
20:14<[|^__^|]>Dreamer3: are you planning to write one?
20:14<[|^__^|]>that sounds cool
20:15<[|^__^|]>although the sqlite stuff doesn't sound that useful to me, since postfix already hashes everything into super efficient dbms
20:15<Dreamer3>list postfixadmin but no mysql, simpler, lighter, faster
20:15<gene203>okay, my server is running now. I hope linode staff fix the problem soon. bye now.
20:15<Dreamer3>[|^__^|]: sqlite is for the web app
20:15<[|^__^|]>gene203: yeah, it's in the cards
20:15<Dreamer3>[|^__^|]: Ruby on Rails doesn't talk to hashed files, but it talkes to database :-)_
20:15<[|^__^|]>Dreamer3: what would be stored in this RDBMS?
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20:16<Dreamer3>[|^__^|]: mailboxes, aliases, domains
20:16<[|^__^|]>that beggars belief
20:16<Dreamer3>my first linode already does this, but with mysql
20:16<Dreamer3>and postfixadmin
20:16<[|^__^|]>you just parse and manipulate the plain text files, and shell out to posthash
20:16<[|^__^|]>and I doubt that ruby can't deal with dbms
20:17<[|^__^|]>libdbm-ruby - DBM interface for Ruby
20:17<Dreamer3>[|^__^|]: ActiveRecord talks to databases, and taht's waht I'll be using :-)
20:17<[|^__^|]>libsdbm-ruby - SDBM interface for Ruby
20:17<[|^__^|]>libgdbm-ruby - GDBM interface for Ruby
20:18<[|^__^|]>well, good luck convincing postfix to talk to your RDBMS
20:18<Dreamer3>i alreayd got it all in my head
20:18<Dreamer3>postfix doesn't ahve to :-)
20:18<Dreamer3>although it does talk to others
20:18<Dreamer3>i'll dump all the data to flat files
20:18<[|^__^|]>so why store it in the SQL stuff in the first place?
20:18<Dreamer3>for the web app and other apps that will query the data
20:19<[|^__^|]>this seems wasteful
20:19<Dreamer3>the web app is the most wasteful part of it (only cause it's Rails), but I want a nice UI... and no one makes one :-)
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20:19<Dreamer3>sqlite is sure light enough
20:20<Dreamer3>if there was a sqlite module for postfix that'd be even better
20:20<Dreamer3>then no intermediate files
20:22[~][|^__^|] boots into finnix to fsck
20:29<Can0beans>what distro does linode use as the host OS?
20:30<Dreamer3>is htat relevant? :-)
20:32<Can0beans>just curious
20:35<[|^__^|]>fscking in finnix seems much easier on the I/O than it was in single-user mode under debian
20:36<fo0bar>that's because e2fsck under finnix is a symlink to e2fsck.placebo
20:38<[|^__^|]>fsck.ext3 even
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20:39<fo0bar>.ssh/config recipe of the day:
20:39<fo0bar>Host 192.168.0.* UserKnownHostsFile /dev/null StrictHostKeyChecking no
20:39<fo0bar>well, my paste manager screwed that up
20:40<fo0bar>anyways, small DHCP pool space, many DHCP workstations, and many transient servers that are built in the office
20:44<warewolf>that could be useful for a lab envionment
20:44<warewolf>how I locked down ssh:
20:45<warewolf>AllowGroups wheel
20:45<warewolf>AllowUsers warewolf
20:45<warewolf>(adjust as you see fit)
20:47<[|^__^|]>fo0bar: good one
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21:28<JasonF>!wunder 27597
21:28<@linbot>JasonF: The current temperature in Zebulon, North Carolina (27597) Conditions & is 37\xB0F (10:20 PM EST on January 15, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 48%. Dew Point: 19\xB0F. Pressure: 29.97 in 1015 hPa. Visibility: 10.0 miles 16.1 kilometers.
21:32<Battousai>thanks captain deep space 9
21:32<taupehat>I'm about to wander outside...
21:32<taupehat>!wunder 97520
21:32<@linbot>taupehat: The current temperature in Ashland, Oregon (97520) Conditions & is 39\xB0F (6:53 PM PST on January 15, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 33\xB0F. Pressure: 30.32 in 1027 hPa. Visibility: 10.0 miles 16.1 kilometers.
21:32<Battousai>man i think its warmer here
21:32<Battousai>!wunder 18067
21:32<@linbot>Battousai: The current temperature in Northampton, Pennsylvania (18067) Conditions & is 17\xB0F (9:51 PM EST on January 15, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 1\xB0F. Windchill: 3\xB0F. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa. Visibility: 10.0 miles 16.1 kilometers.
21:33<taupehat>lol, nope
21:33<Battousai>ok maybe not
21:33<Battousai>thats pretty freakin cold
21:33<Battousai>glad i'm not out there
21:33<taupehat>stay indoors
21:33[~]taupehat afk
21:34<warewolf>!wunder 20706
21:34<@linbot>warewolf: The current temperature in Lanham, Maryland (20706) Conditions & is 33\xB0F (9:55 PM EST on January 15, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 14\xB0F. Windchill: 24\xB0F. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013 hPa (Rising). Visibility: 7.0 miles 11.3 kilometers.
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21:42<@mikegrb>!wunder 32504
21:42<@linbot>mikegrb: The current temperature in Pensacola, Florida (32504) Conditions & is 53\xB0F (8:53 PM CST on January 15, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 33\xB0F. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018 hPa. Visibility: 10.0 miles 16.1 kilometers.
21:42[~]mikegrb wins
21:42<taupehat>eat my shorts
21:44<taupehat>mikegrb: the bot in #g7 appears to be gone
21:45<fo0bar>!wunder bra
21:45<@linbot>fo0bar: The current temperature in Barreiras, Brazil is 93\xB0F (4:00 PM BRST on January 15, 2006). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 26%. Dew Point: 60\xB0F. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa. Visibility: 12.0 miles 20.0 kilometers.
21:46<efudd>hmmm 24.
21:46<Battousai>93, dayum
21:48<taupehat>that would be OK with me right about now...
21:49<fo0bar>!wunder krno
21:49<@linbot>fo0bar: The current temperature in Reno-Tahoe International, Nevada (89502) Conditions & is 28\xB0F (6:56 PM PST on January 15, 2006). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 14\xB0F. Pressure: 30.27 in 1025 hPa. Visibility: 10.0 miles 16.1 kilometers.
21:51<Beirdo>!wunder yyz
21:51<@linbot>Beirdo: The current temperature in Toronto-Pearson International, Ontario is 10\xB0F (10:00 PM EST on January 15, 2006). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 62%. Dew Point: -1\xB0F. Windchill: -4\xB0F. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa. Visibility: 15.0 miles 24.1 kilometers.
21:52<fo0bar>!wunder kgrb
21:52<@linbot>fo0bar: The current temperature in Austin Straubel International, Wisconsin (54304) Conditions & is 32\xB0F (9:41 PM CST on January 15, 2006). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 23\xB0F. Windchill: 21\xB0F. Pressure: 29.73 in 1007 hPa. Visibility: 10.0 miles 16.1 kilometers.
21:52<fo0bar>hell, when it's colder in reno than it is in green bay, something is wrong with the world
21:52<@linbot>FireSlash: (wunder <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city.
21:53<FireSlash>!wunder 43001
21:53<@linbot>FireSlash: The current temperature in Alexandria, Ohio (43001) Conditions & is 28\xB0F (9:54 PM EST on January 15, 2006). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 21\xB0F. Pressure: 29.97 in 1015 hPa (Falling). Visibility: 10.0 miles 16.1 kilometers.
21:53<FireSlash>Data is only an hour old.
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22:21<@mikegrb>Dear Sir/Madam
22:21<@mikegrb>Thank you for having contact with us by mail.
22:21<@mikegrb>We tell you that we have found the person who was doubtful about the SPAM,
22:21<@mikegrb>and already had contact with him.
22:21<@mikegrb>Then we told him to do something to stop the incident.
22:26<Beirdo>better than sending you an email in Chinese :)
22:27<@mikegrb>they do
22:27<Beirdo>engrish is fun though
22:27<@mikegrb>some have english translation as well some don't
22:27<@mikegrb>just got about 10 in french with no english translation
22:28<Beirdo>heh... at least French is fairly babelfish-able
22:28<Beirdo>if you want to bother
22:28<@mikegrb>same as chinese
22:28<Beirdo>really? I didn't remember seeing it there.
22:29<Beirdo>ah well, my memory sucks :)
22:29[~]mikegrb shrugs, have used google's translation service since it came out
22:29<@mikegrb>seems to work much better
22:29<Beirdo>true that
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22:43<warewolf>HOLY SHIT
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