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---Logopened Tue Jan 17 00:00:24 2006
00:26<warewolf>awesome
00:26<warewolf>watch, you're going to be able to hit a button and switch between MacOS and Winders on the new iMacs in a few months
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01:40<fo0bar>hmmm, no PNI/SSE3 in the imackertoshes
01:40<fo0bar>unless darwin calls it something else
01:40<fo0bar>or
01:41[~]mikegrb calls fo0bar fo0bark
01:41<fo0bar>I'm just an idiot
01:41<fo0bar>... TM SSE3 MON ...
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02:35<tronix>time to buy imacs. :-)
02:35<tronix>was thinking about one the other day.
02:36<tronix>(I've had the first gen imacs; not very extensible but still nice machines)
02:41[~]Neurosis smashes imac
02:41[~]Neurosis burns imac
02:41[~]Neurosis die imac die
02:43[~][|^__^|] sticks with his thinkpad for a while
02:43<[|^__^|]>the whole point of using linode is that I don't *need* any new computers
02:48<taupehat>hehe
02:48<taupehat>my silly bMotion bot has been happily talking to #freenode users all day now =]
02:49<taupehat>they don't appear to have noticed
02:49<[|^__^|]>megahal HO
02:49<taupehat>heh
02:49<taupehat>this isn't even megahal
02:49<[|^__^|]>man, I remember setting up a megahal called "nakedgirl" and putting it in #sex on some italian network
02:49<[|^__^|]>and laughing myself to tears
02:50<[|^__^|]>send ur pic
02:50<[|^__^|]>no u send ur pic
02:50<[|^__^|]>ok im sending pic
02:50<taupehat>lmao
02:50<[|^__^|]>wheres the pic
02:50<[|^__^|]>u sed ud send ur pic
02:50<[|^__^|]>no u send ur pic
02:50<[|^__^|]>etc
02:50<taupehat>nice
02:50<[|^__^|]>and of course it was good at keeping the languages separate
02:50<taupehat>you remember that skype prank?
02:50<[|^__^|]>italian, german, and english
02:50<[|^__^|]>but then seth schoen would talk to it and teach it latin and esperanto proverbs
02:50<taupehat>the one where you could set two dudes up to talk to one another but they thought they were talking to a chick
02:51<[|^__^|]>so sometimes the italian would switch into this lofty latin/esperanto stuff
02:51<[|^__^|]>the best part is that the bot would learn to speak like a horny rude guy in whatever language
02:51<taupehat>haha
02:51<[|^__^|]>so naturally it'd end up insisting that the conversant is gay
02:51<[|^__^|]>NO IM NOT GAY UR GAY
02:51<taupehat>dude
02:52<[|^__^|]>and of course it'd hurl accusations out of the blue that these guys were bots
02:52<taupehat>if I had a dollar for everytime I saw that running the skype prank
02:52<taupehat>19:55 <skiddieleet> would you ask in the channel if they could voice
02:52<taupehat> everyone instead of the last two people who joined?
02:52<taupehat>ergh
02:52<taupehat>http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/permalink/skype_prank/
02:52<taupehat>there
02:52<[|^__^|]>heh
02:52<[|^__^|]>the skype prank seems uninteresting
02:52<[|^__^|]>the bot was great because it was relentless
02:52<taupehat>oh no
02:52<[|^__^|]>it kept dozens of conversations going at once, and applied what it learned from one to another
02:53<taupehat>the skype prank was hilarious
02:53<taupehat>I ran it for quite a while
02:53<taupehat>and was blue in the face laughing
02:53<[|^__^|]>heh
02:53<[|^__^|]>maybe I'll set up the troll megahal again some day
02:53<warewolf>FAWK
02:53<warewolf>that skype prank url is broken
02:53<[|^__^|]>until then... sleep
02:53<warewolf>but
02:53<warewolf>megahal++
02:53<taupehat>heh
02:53<taupehat>try bMotion
02:54<taupehat>it's subtle, and not overly-chatty
02:54<warewolf>megahal responds every time it sees something
02:54<taupehat>yeah
02:54<taupehat>bMotion is a lot more quiet
02:54<taupehat>which is how I can get away with leaving one in #freenode
02:54[~]Neurosis loves chatterbots
02:54[~]mikegrb conciders publishing a dnsbl
02:54<warewolf>speaking of
02:54<taupehat>mikegrb: just use the one on my website
02:54<@mikegrb>mmm cake
02:54<warewolf>cake
02:54<@mikegrb>lolz
02:54<warewolf>lol
02:54<@mikegrb>roflz
02:54<warewolf>rofl
02:55<@mikegrb>taupehat: dnsbl != website
02:55<@mikegrb>I have plenty of data
02:55<warewolf>grah
02:55<warewolf>bmotion == eggdrop
02:55<warewolf>== the suck
02:55<taupehat>eh
02:55<taupehat>megahal needs eggy too
02:55[~]Neurosis loathes eggdrops
02:55<warewolf>don't argue with me boy
02:55<taupehat>anyhow
02:55<taupehat>I've got mine chrooted
02:55<taupehat>so w/e
02:56<warewolf>... interesting.
02:56<warewolf>megahal release version 9.1.1
02:56[~]warewolf downloads
02:58<warewolf>!@#$
02:58<@linbot>warewolf: Error: "@#$" is not a valid command.
02:58<warewolf>why does megahal require tcl!
02:59<@mikegrb>because it isn't written in tcl?
03:00<taupehat>haha
03:00<warewolf>IT DIDN'T USED TO BE
03:00<taupehat>hehe
03:00<warewolf>dude
03:00<warewolf>it's written in tcl AND PERL
03:00<warewolf>AND PYTHON
03:01<warewolf>oh no wait, it has -interfaces- for those languages.
03:01<warewolf>I See.
03:01<encode>heh
03:02<warewolf>nice, I had "net edition" (eg, irc bot edition) and now this v9.1.1 version doesn't support irc.
03:03<taupehat>ahh
03:03<taupehat>whee
03:03<taupehat>it's updatedb:30
03:03<taupehat>churn churn goes my host
03:03<encode>i used to use megahal
03:04<encode>but then it started using about 70MB of ram
03:05<taupehat>heh
03:05<taupehat>I'm liking bmotion
03:05<taupehat>it's really really funny on gaming irecnets
03:05<taupehat>ircnets*
03:05<warewolf>I was going to go in a caffiene run.
03:05<warewolf>bbiaf.
03:05<taupehat>half the people there can't string two words together coherently, so noboy notices when it gets weird
03:08<fo0bar>jeez, 2.6.16 already has a release candidate
03:09<warewolf>so waht
03:09<warewolf>er wait
03:10<warewolf>you're telling me that bmotion will do well in #zdoom here? *grin*
03:10<warewolf>also:
03:10<warewolf>!fart
03:10<@linbot>warewolf: Error: "fart" is not a valid command.
03:11<encode>i wonder if linbot parses the input for commands
03:11<encode>anyone know some tcl?
03:12<taupehat>heh
03:13<warewolf>taupehat: is that a no? :P
03:13<taupehat>huh?
03:13<taupehat>what is that chan
03:14<warewolf>taupehat: are you a bot?
03:14<taupehat>no
03:14<taupehat>are you?
03:14<warewolf>no
03:14<taupehat>well then
03:14<warewolf>taupehat: can you proove you are not a bot?
03:14<encode>!eat-my-toes
03:14<taupehat>what's the zdoom channel about?
03:14<@linbot>encode: Error: "eat-my-toes" is not a valid command.
03:14<warewolf>oh, zdoom is a channel here on OFTC that is a gaming channel
03:15<taupehat>ahh
03:15<taupehat>hehe
03:15<taupehat>I'll dupe the eggy then =]
03:15<warewolf>taupehat: how can you prove to me that you are not a bot
03:15<taupehat>I dunno, warewolf. Perhaps you can devise a turing-like test for me.
03:16<warewolf>how does that make you feel, taupehat?
03:16<taupehat>like kicking you in the shins!
03:16<taupehat>=P
03:16<warewolf>that's not very nice.
03:16<taupehat>no
03:16<taupehat>but I get grumpy when it's late and I haven't taken my contacts out, etc
03:16<warewolf>have you considered what kicking you in the shins would do?
03:17[~]warewolf always loved that about Eliza
03:18<warewolf>improper use of you/me/my/I
03:18<taupehat>yep
03:18<warewolf>there was some BBS eliza clone that got dirty if you talked nasty to it
03:18<warewolf>one guy I knew put it up for sysop chat
03:18<warewolf>had a blast
03:19<warewolf>it was great because it would typo, then backspace, or change it's mind on what it was saying
03:19<warewolf>real time too you could see every "keystroke"
03:19<warewolf>sumbitch typed fast too
03:19<warewolf>:)
03:22<taupehat>hehe
03:22<taupehat>nice
03:24<warewolf>fuck
03:24<warewolf>my tradewars server at home is offline
03:24<taupehat>!
03:24<taupehat>haha
03:24[~]warewolf tries magic packet waking it up
03:24<warewolf> hardware ethernet 00:07:95:DD:15:CB;
03:25[~]warewolf attempts to wake it
03:25<warewolf>damn
03:25<warewolf>I guess it doesn't default to allow WoL when you pwoer it off by the power button
03:26<taupehat>no joy eh
03:26<warewolf>yeah no joy.
03:26<warewolf>I'd kill to play tradewars with people I knew again
03:27<warewolf>I even *bought* it.
03:27<warewolf>badass gold edition too
03:28<taupehat>guess I'll have to turn this bot loose in there
03:28<warewolf>#zdoom?
03:28<warewolf>please do.
03:29<warewolf>bingo
03:29<warewolf>skype prank logs: http://www.start.com.my/blog/files/chatlogs.rar
03:29<taupehat>yeah
03:29<taupehat>god
03:29<taupehat>those were hilarious
03:29<taupehat>you could insert text in realtime
03:29<taupehat>but
03:29<taupehat>I had to stop
03:29<taupehat>some of those dudes were sending pix
03:29<taupehat>of their thingies
03:30<taupehat>it was unappealing in the extreme
03:31<warewolf>haha
03:33<warewolf>9/15/2005 4:15:44 PM - tempted_2_touch: OH MY FUCKIN DAIZ
03:33<warewolf>daiz?
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03:45[~]tronix not sure but assuming it's a now-broken part. *cough* ;)
03:46<warewolf>hrm?
03:46<taupehat>he's answering your question
03:46<warewolf>oh
03:50[~]tronix lubs my Thinkpad T42, too (re: convo from a hour ago)
03:50<tronix>bought it out of own pocket, not a work-given deal.
03:50<tronix>work got me a Dell D600 which is spec-wise, identical to T42
03:51<tronix>both are great laptops but I prefer the T42's three button mouse
03:51<tronix>hate the two button emulation with Linux (PITA)
03:51<tronix>tho the D600's case feels nicer on the wrist
03:51<tronix>that's pretty much the only real difference between two
03:51<tronix>similar pricing, options, specs, etc
03:52<tronix>d600 works out ok cause I run windows on it and linux on the T42
03:52<tronix>so two button mouse on d600 is no big deal.
03:53[~]taupehat prefers his iBook
03:53<tronix>i'd love a powerbook, but that iBook at compusa other day looked nice, too
03:53<@mikegrb>http://www.boingboing.net/2006/01/16/firefly_fans_trying_.html
03:53<tronix>$999 was a decent-looking price for the iBook
03:54<taupehat>I've got an iBook, am happy with it
03:54<taupehat>does all I'd expect from a laptop
03:54<tronix>only thing I didn't like with the iBook is that it seemed rather hot under the left side, where you rest your hand
03:54<taupehat>and I hate to say it, but for laptops, Expose really _is_ a killer app
03:54<@mikegrb>tronix: yes
03:54<@mikegrb>taupehat: then why do you hate to say it?
03:54<taupehat>uhh
03:55[~]taupehat resists the fanboi way of speaking
03:55<tronix>:)
03:55<@mikegrb>tronix: I have mine run with the processor in power saving mode even when plugged in to compensate
03:55<tronix>ahh makes sense
03:55<tronix>thought it was probably due to way cusa had it config'd
03:55<@mikegrb>when I go to play in photoshop or somesuch, I flip it back
03:56<tronix>with linux and cpufreqd on the T42, I have it run at 600 MHz mode even with AC power on, unless I'm running some cpu intensive job
03:56<tronix>(in which case, cpufreqd temporarily gives me a faster CPU as needed)
03:56<@mikegrb>yeah
03:56<@mikegrb>dynamic cpu speed makes baby jesus happy
03:57<tronix>hahaha
03:57<taupehat>hehe
03:57[~]mikegrb started a code benchmark about 3 hours before going to bed around noon this morning
03:57<@mikegrb>it's still running
04:01<@mikegrb>lolz
04:01<internat>lol
04:01<@mikegrb>roflz
04:01<warewolf>rofl
04:02<taupehat>so
04:02<@mikegrb>mmm cake
04:02<warewolf>cake
04:02<taupehat>I just got a verified kill by way of Godwin's law.
04:02<warewolf>HEADSHOT
04:02[~]taupehat paints a hash mark on the window sill
04:02<tronix>hahaha
04:03<tronix>mmm Snoopy scoring method
04:03<tronix>notch in doghouse :-)
04:03<taupehat>heh
04:03<tronix>he soon discovered the main problem with being too successful...
04:03<tronix>structural integrity failure.
04:03<taupehat>heh
04:07<warewolf>I am one sexy bald ass hunk of meat
04:07<warewolf>http://www.richardharman.com/me/
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04:32<warewolf>hmm
04:32<warewolf>perl 6 scares me.
04:32<warewolf>I'm not sure what to think of it.
04:51<encode>me neither
04:51<encode>it looks so different from perl5
04:52<encode>like learning a whole new language
04:53<warewolf>heh
04:53<warewolf>know what I enjoy?
04:53<encode>not really
04:54<warewolf>hold one while I manually type this from one machine to another
04:54<encode>but i have a feeling
04:54<encode>you'll enlighten us
04:55<warewolf>bwahaha this is even better than I thought
04:55<warewolf>this is almost good enough for thedailywtf
04:55<encode>hah i love that website
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04:55<warewolf>this will be good
04:55<warewolf>you'll enjoy this
04:56<warewolf>oh god
04:56<warewolf>this is going on thedailywtf when I am done.
04:56<warewolf>damn.
04:56<warewolf>this is really bad code.
04:57<encode>are u actually writing this...really bad code?
04:57<warewolf>no.
04:57<warewolf>I'm reducing it to TWO LINES.
04:57<warewolf>hold
04:58<warewolf>I have to nopaste this
04:59<warewolf>http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/8uqGqr14.html
05:03<@mikegrb>$date=sprintf "%04d%02d%02d\n,$year,$mon,$mday;
05:03<@mikegrb>chomp $date;
05:03<@mikegrb>hahaha
05:04<@mikegrb>puts a \n on it and then takes it off
05:04<@mikegrb>also, you forgot the "
05:04<warewolf>yeah I'll fix
05:04<warewolf>sorry :)
05:04<warewolf>but damn
05:04<warewolf>and this coworker of mine who coded this up WENT TO A PERL COURSE BY DAMIAN CONWAY
05:04<warewolf>I mean CHRIST MOTHERFUCKER
05:04<warewolf>PERL
05:05<warewolf>DO YOU SPEAK IT
05:05<@mikegrb>no, they don't
05:05<warewolf>this is when I want him to sheepishly say "... no?"
05:05[~]encode returns from the shower
05:06<warewolf>encode: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/8uqGqr14.html
05:06<encode>yes i saw
05:06<encode>i dont think thats as bad as at least some of thedailywtf's
05:06<@mikegrb>sure it is
05:06<warewolf>1) chomping off a \n you added
05:07<warewolf>2) not putting the periods inside the sprintf
05:07<@mikegrb>I mean it isn't in vb like most of the stuff, but otherwise it is on par
05:07<warewolf>3) using regexes to pull out the zero padded year, month, day from the date
05:07<encode>yeah i guess
05:07<warewolf>4) ignoreance of strftime
05:07<encode>chomping a \n u just added is really dumb
05:07<warewolf>#3 is the worst IMHO
05:07<encode>looks like a copy, paste, trial-and-error-modify job to me
05:07<warewolf>s/ignoreance/ignorance/
05:07<@mikegrb>yeah
05:08<@mikegrb>well the regex to pull out the y, m, d isn't quite as bad as doing it so that you could put .s in between after you just created the string with sprintf
05:08<warewolf>5) ignorance of 'use strict;'
05:08<warewolf>I keep bashing that into him
05:08<warewolf>and he refuses to do it
05:08<encode>i must admit, without seeing warewolf's code i wouldn't have known about strftime
05:08<warewolf>I'm going to revoke his coding privs if he continues
05:09<warewolf>encode: that's ok. Everybody learns one way or another.
05:09<@mikegrb>I was happing this morning, got to remove a dependency on a library that precluded the use of use strict from something
05:09<warewolf>encode: ever use date +%blah ?
05:09<encode>my coding style is always evolving
05:09<encode>warewolf: nope
05:09<warewolf>encode: and it will improve. Mine's improved over the past 6 years.
05:09<@mikegrb>encode: but you would have assumed something like that existed, right?
05:10<warewolf>Thanks! Your message has been sent.
05:10<@mikegrb>or, at the very least, would have had the sprintf actually create the string you wanted
05:10[~]warewolf waits
05:10<encode>yes
05:11[~]encode begins to feel ignorant - why are u adding %blah? %blah is a hash
05:11<@mikegrb>Subject: [SpamCop summary report]
05:11<@mikegrb>( No current data - all clear )
05:11<warewolf>encode: I mean the shell date command
05:11<@mikegrb>:>
05:11<encode>oh
05:11<warewolf>encode: run on the command line date +%G%m%d
05:11<warewolf>encode: notice something similar? :)
05:12<encode>haha
05:12<encode>yes, well sprintf isnt something i've used a great deal for complex formatting
05:12<warewolf>it's great
05:12<warewolf>you'll find a use for it
05:12<encode>yeah
05:12<warewolf>print "Or you will be\n"
05:12<encode>i mean, i've used it in C
05:12<warewolf>print "continuing to do stuff\n"
05:12<warewolf>print "like this to print\n"
05:13<warewolf>print "multiple lines, like my\n"
05:13<encode>haha
05:13<warewolf>print "coworker does.\n"
05:13<@mikegrb>but in perl 6 he can use say and not have \n!
05:14<encode>i look at old code of mine and cringe, for the most part
05:18<@mikegrb># iorank.pl
05:18<@mikegrb> user usage count rate tokens refill max S Total S Used S Pt uptime
05:18<@mikegrb> username 0 1836848 0 400000 512 400000 256 5 2% 165 days 10:32:50
05:18<@mikegrb> username 0 4478181 0 400000 512 400000 64 0 0% 290 days 18:05:54
05:18<@mikegrb> username 0 1926380 0 400000 512 400000 256 7 2% 71 days 06:50:21
05:18<@mikegrb> username 0 8932813 0 400000 512 400000 256 0 0% 244 days 01:48:53
05:18<@mikegrb><snip>
05:18<@mikegrb>^ printf
05:19<warewolf>I see I'm not in that list.
05:20<@mikegrb>default sort oder is asc by usage
05:20<encode>my uptime precludes me from being in that list
05:20<@mikegrb>so if the terminal window is small, like on a treo, what you want is at the end so it hasn't scrolled off
05:21<warewolf>haha
05:21<warewolf>you use TGSSH don't you
05:21<warewolf>:P
05:21<@mikegrb>no
05:21<warewolf>no?
05:21<warewolf>what do you use to ssh over your wireless then?
05:21<@mikegrb>pssh
05:21<@mikegrb>tgssh sucked
05:21<warewolf>so your trio is a palmos device
05:22<warewolf>I thought it might have been one of the new WinCE ones
05:22<@mikegrb>lolz
05:22<encode>lol, wince
05:22<encode>great marketing team microsoft
05:22<@mikegrb>windows ce hasn't been around for quite a while
05:22<encode>its still around
05:22<encode>as an embedded os
05:22<warewolf>fine, pocket pc, whatever
05:23<@mikegrb>anyway, pssh does keys and such
05:23<@mikegrb>and 80x53
05:23<@mikegrb>http://www.sealiesoftware.com/pssh/
05:23<encode>anyway, some of my cringeworthy code --> http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/pagefetch/pagefetch/pagefetch.pl?rev=1.7&view=markup
05:24[~]encode bookmarks pssh
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05:29<Nemesis__>is there any reason i'd be getting terrible delays when doing an ls?
05:29<@mikegrb>hmm, which host?
05:29<Nemesis__>host55
05:30<Nemesis__>by terrible, I mean `time` reports >22 secs to do an ls in a folder with 56 files...
05:31<warewolf>io wait probally
05:31<@mikegrb>yeah, looking into it
05:33<@mikegrb>things should be better now, not yet ideal but better then it was
05:34<encode>swap thrasher?
05:34<Nemesis__>i don't think I'm a swap thrasher
05:35<Nemesis__>io_count=906070 io_rate=0 io_tokens=400000 token_refill=512 token_max=400000
05:35<encode>no, but someone else could be
05:35<Nemesis__>ah
05:38<Nemesis__>tbh, ive been getting pretty lousy disk performance off that host for about a week now
06:09<tronix>re: WinCE... heh, one of our tape libraries uses WinCE to control its color LED menu interface :)
06:09<tronix>(of course, I wasn't the one whom ordered or approved it.)
06:09<tronix>[I got better libs.]
06:11<encode>color LED or color LCD?
06:12<tronix>oh um
06:12<tronix>LCD, sorry :)
06:12<tronix>fingers has permanently memorized the keystrokes for 'LED', I'm afraid.
06:12<tronix>built-in macro ;)
06:13<Nemesis__>usually pre-fixed with 'Blue' ?
06:13<tronix>speaking of which, don't recall if I've seen it BSOD, but know we've had a number of problems with it
06:14<tronix>the library that I ordered has been a rock solid performer, other than the silly thing we did with too-long SCSI cables.
06:14<tronix>but now management is jonesing for disk-based backup solutions. go figure ;)
06:14<tronix>vendors are *drooling* because they want to line their pockets with new sales. :P
06:15<tronix>(a point that is, I'm afraid, lost on my boss' boss...)
06:15<encode>TSM ftw
06:15<encode>the best of both worlds
06:15<tronix>TSM as in tivoli?
06:15<encode>plus cool robotic arms
06:15<encode>yeah
06:15<tronix>aye. that's what I run :)
06:16<tronix>tsm + LTO libs
06:16<tronix>good stuff
06:16<encode>we use tsm, brightstor, veritas, other random stuff
06:16<encode>tsm works the best
06:16<tronix>other team runs legato + ait-3. legato is ok..sort of..
06:16<tronix>but ait-3 is slow.
06:16<@mikegrb>tivoli, not to be confused with the scum tiscali
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06:16<tronix>hahaha
06:16<encode>tiscali? dont believe i've heard of it
06:17<@mikegrb>european isp
06:18<encode>oh
06:18<encode>im not really up to speed with european isps
06:19<@mikegrb>http://groups.google.com/groups?q=tiscali+group%3A*abuse*&scoring=d&
06:20<encode>and that would explain your familiarity with them
06:20<@mikegrb>aye
06:20<@mikegrb>though I get little spam directly from them
06:20<@mikegrb>2 this month
06:21<@mikegrb>http://spam.thegrebs.com/reports/spam_from_provider.pl?providerid=260
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09:59<warewolf>ya know
09:59<kvandivo>i know all, yes
09:59<warewolf>I can't help but laugh whenever I see internat rejoin after a split
09:59<warewolf>09:29 -!- Netsplit over, joins: internat
09:59<warewolf>THE INTARWEB RECONNECTED
09:59<warewolf>HALLEULAH
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10:18<@mikegrb>lolz
10:18<internat>lol
10:25<warewolf>damn
10:26<taupehat>...
10:26<warewolf>I'm glad I didn't just buy 2x 400gb Western Digital SATA drives from CostCo.
10:26<warewolf>they're $50 more at CostCo than the cheapest online
10:26[~]warewolf checks newegg
10:26<taupehat>jeez
10:27<taupehat>so how much are they running nowadays anyhow?
10:27<taupehat>!
10:27<taupehat>ffs :-|
10:27<warewolf>$200
10:27[~]taupehat got like 20 bounces from his bugtraq post
10:27<warewolf>you posted to bugtraq?
10:27[~]warewolf looks
10:27<taupehat>yah
10:28<warewolf>what's your friendly SMTP name
10:28<warewolf>eg "Me" <me@something.com> -- the part in quotes
10:28[~]taupehat nukes people who setup vacation messages and don't filter out mailinglists
10:28<taupehat>I'll give you a hint: the domain is the same as this nick
10:28<warewolf>then I don't see it yet.
10:31<taupehat>yeah, it's not archived yet either
10:31<taupehat>all I see is my post from 04 re: diebold GEMS
10:31<warewolf>fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck
10:32<warewolf>I want 5x of these drives
10:32<warewolf>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144424
10:32[~]warewolf cries
10:32<taupehat>holy cow
10:32<warewolf>CHEAP eh?
10:32<taupehat>yes!
10:32<warewolf>and they're "raid" edition too
10:33<taupehat>jesus
10:33<warewolf>(for like $2 more than the non "raid" edition)
10:33<taupehat>16meg cache
10:33<warewolf>YES!
10:33<warewolf>I WANT!
10:34<warewolf>where is that 4x sata raid enclosure I saw on newegg
10:34<warewolf>damn damn damn damn
10:34<warewolf>bing found it
10:34<@mikegrb>raid edition == we can make it louder because they don't care
10:34<warewolf>ooh shit
10:34<warewolf>it's 5x drives
10:34<warewolf>not 4
10:34<@mikegrb>raid edition == they won't be so mad at us if it dies
10:34<taupehat>hehe
10:35<warewolf>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817121404
10:35<warewolf>do I want to spend $1140 + shipping
10:35<warewolf>mang
10:36<warewolf>I can, but I can't.
10:36[~]warewolf fumes
10:37<kvandivo>newegg's shipping pricing policy annoys me
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10:39<Dreamer3>how is host 27 migration goes?
10:42<warewolf>oh man
10:42<warewolf>I love the CVS protocol
10:42<warewolf>esp the post on it in thedailywtf
10:43<warewolf>"Error fetching resource list from repository."
10:43<warewolf>"Reason: I/O exception occured: Connection refused: I HATE YOU"
10:43<warewolf>(please note, that "I HATE YOU" is the /failure/ status string for authentication failure)
10:43<warewolf>(a successful auth returns "I LOVE YOU")
10:56<Dreamer3>man
10:56<Dreamer3>even 160 sold out now
10:56<Dreamer3>sheesh
10:56<Dreamer3>i tell ya
10:59<Beirdo>there was only one yesterday
10:59<Beirdo>not hard to sell out one
11:01<warewolf>awesome
11:01<warewolf>From: "lottery draw" <lottery_drawp30@hotmail.com>
11:01<warewolf>Bcc:
11:01<warewolf>Subject: YOU HAVE WON USD2,950.000.00
11:01<warewolf>look at that!
11:01<warewolf>I won USD2,950.000.00
11:02<Dreamer3>warewolf: no way! you too????
11:02<warewolf>X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Jan 2006 15:49:59.0315 (UTC) FILETIME=[ABC27E30:01C61B7D]
11:02<Dreamer3>*jumps up and down*
11:02<warewolf>X-Greylist: Delayed for 00:47:25 by milter-greylist-2.0 (mail.xabean.com [67.18.92.146]); Tue, 17 Jan 2006 11:37:49 -0500 (EST)
11:02<warewolf>damn
11:02<warewolf>and it got through greylisting :(
11:02<warewolf>somebody was persistant
11:02<Dreamer3>hey
11:02<Dreamer3>what do you use for geylisting?
11:02<Dreamer3>that changes headers like that
11:02<warewolf>milter-greylist for sendmail :)
11:03<Dreamer3>oh
11:03<Dreamer3>it's a sendmail thing
11:03<warewolf>*** SARCASM is set to ON
11:03<warewolf>OH
11:03<warewolf>I'M SORRY
11:03<warewolf>DOES YOUR MTA SUCK?
11:03<warewolf>*** SARCASM is set to OFF
11:03<Dreamer3>no, it's quite nice :-)
11:03<Dreamer3>*hugs postfix*
11:03<Dreamer3>i'm just about to setup a db setup to handle e-mail routing, domains, greylisting, all with a slick web UI that I design
11:04<Dreamer3>but that header is pretty cool
11:04<@mikegrb>apt-get install postgrey
11:04<Dreamer3>does it do headers?
11:05<@mikegrb>yes
11:05<Dreamer3>that would require it be a filter, not just a policy
11:05<@mikegrb>Dreamer3: the correct answer was "no, but yours does"
11:05<Dreamer3>*goes to read*
11:05<Dreamer3>huh?
11:05<@mikegrb>[11:03] <warewolf> DOES YOUR MTA SUCK?
11:05<Dreamer3>oh
11:05<Dreamer3>hehehe
11:05<Dreamer3>yeah
11:06<Dreamer3>i was in a nice mood though
11:06<Dreamer3>mikegrb: i don't think it filters, i think it' sjust a policy tha tpasses or not
11:06<Dreamer3>it's a policy server
11:06<@mikegrb>it adds a header
11:07<Dreamer3>policy servers can add headers?
11:07<Dreamer3>*lookings for this in docs*
11:07[~]mikegrb shrugs
11:07<@mikegrb>I don't use postfix
11:07<warewolf>he uses exim!
11:07<@mikegrb>but I know postgrey adds a header
11:07<warewolf>so anyway
11:07<warewolf>my sendmail doesn't suck because it does greylisting, sender-id, spf, and srs.
11:07<warewolf>come back when your MTA can do all those.
11:08<Dreamer3>*reads the perl source*
11:08<warewolf>last I checked, sid+spf+srs was not possible across all the popular MTAs
11:08<Beirdo>or necessary
11:08<Beirdo>but you do what you want :)
11:08<@caker>Good morning.
11:08<warewolf>dude, SRS blocks 90% of the bounces from joejobs.
11:08<warewolf>I love it.
11:09<@mikegrb>my mta can do all of those
11:09<Beirdo>morning, caker :)
11:09<@caker>mikegrb: hey, feeling any better?
11:09<@mikegrb>yes
11:09<@mikegrb>just the broken ear
11:09<@caker>can you hear now?
11:09<@mikegrb>other then that all good
11:09<warewolf>caker- mikegrb is being cranky
11:09<@caker>damb
11:09<warewolf>eh? broken ear?
11:09<Dreamer3>mikegrb: i see the code for headers, now trying to figure out how it works
11:09<warewolf>time killer: http://planarity.net/
11:10<Dreamer3>mikegrb: ah
11:10<Dreamer3>mikegrb: you pass a PREPEND back
11:10<Dreamer3>that's too cool
11:10<Dreamer3>i didn't know you could do that
11:12<Dreamer3>i don't get how it works
11:12<Dreamer3>perl is so icky
11:14<warewolf>Dreamer3: them be fighting words.
11:14<Dreamer3>i could figure it out
11:15<Dreamer3>but it's not Ruby *hugs Ruby*
11:15<warewolf>oh god
11:15<warewolf>ok this conversation is over, because I have to go sleep. :)
11:15[~]warewolf -c sleep &
11:18<Dreamer3>hahaha
11:18<Dreamer3>for my $w (@{$self->{postgrey}{whitelist_clients}}) {
11:18<Dreamer3> return 'DUNNO' if $attr->{client_name} =~ $w;
11:18<Dreamer3> }
11:18<Dreamer3>like that makes sense
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11:22<@mikegrb>it doesn't?
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11:29<psykoyiko>I think the root of perl confusion is scalar context vs array context
11:29<psykoyiko>and it all sort of spins out of control from there.
11:30<@mikegrb>well that is pretty craptastically implemented, but it's not the languages fault
11:34[~]taupehat has no love for perl
11:34<npmr>ooh raise
11:34<npmr>happy new year
11:34<taupehat>!\
11:37<Dreamer3>i mean
11:38<Dreamer3>it's obviously a for loop looping over the whitelist to see if anything matches
11:39<Dreamer3>but, what horrific syntax
11:39<npmr><consequent> if <antecedent>; always makes me a little uneasy
11:39<kvandivo>just like do/while, which has been around forever
11:39<Dreamer3>Postgrey.whitelist_clients.each { | client| return "DUNNO" if client.name == @client | }
11:40<Dreamer3>oh, one extra | there
11:42<psykoyiko>bah
11:43<psykoyiko>I think we all know who the *clear* winner is
11:43<npmr>pedro?
11:43<psykoyiko>exactly.
11:43<npmr>:)
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11:44<Dreamer3>i should write a postfix policy server in ruby
11:44<Dreamer3>that'd be cool
11:44[~]linbot dispenses coffee
11:44<psykoyiko>you could call it postrails!
11:45[~]mikegrb posts pictures of psykoyiko's rails
11:45<psykoyiko>:<
11:45<psykoyiko>My big fat rails
11:45<@mikegrb>yes
11:45<@mikegrb>allllll over all of the internets
11:46<@mikegrb>even gopher
11:46<@mikegrb>and wais
11:46<psykoyiko>hopefully not archie though.
11:46<@mikegrb>screw archie
11:47<psykoyiko>npmr: is gopher still alive and well?
11:47<@mikegrb>yes, silly
11:47<@mikegrb>the smithsonian has a gopher server
11:47<psykoyiko>there are many layers to my question, mikegrb
11:47<@mikegrb>firefox 1.5 included full gopher support
11:47<psykoyiko>npmr is a gopher EXPERT
11:48<@mikegrb>previous versions didn't
11:48<@mikegrb>I invented gopher, bish
11:48[~]psykoyiko gopher's mikegrb
11:48<psykoyiko>Invent that!
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11:48<@mikegrb>gopher://gopher.floodgap.com/
11:49<npmr>psykoyiko, it's still on goose
11:49<psykoyiko>ha ha, tinyproxy no likey gopher
11:49<npmr>psykoyiko, but goose is 10.120.4.2 these days
11:49<psykoyiko>oh, right.
11:49<kvandivo>linbot: goose?
11:49<linbot>kvandivo: Error: "goose?" is not a valid command.
11:49<psykoyiko>poor old goose.
11:49<psykoyiko>is there no closet of doom anymore?
11:49<npmr>there is not
11:50[~]psykoyiko sheds a tear
11:50<npmr>i moved out of my apartment at the end of may
11:50<Griswald>Anyone hear about the new Quad SLI system?
11:50[~]Griswald drools.
11:50<npmr>i've been living with my parents tuesday through thursday
11:50<npmr>and with my girlfriend friday through monday
11:50<psykoyiko>damb.
11:50<Griswald>http://www.slizone.com/object/slizone_quadsli.html
11:50<npmr>my stuff
11:50<npmr>'s all in storage
11:51<psykoyiko>npmr: sounds like a pretty sweet deal.
11:51<npmr>no rent :)
11:51<kvandivo>his girlfriend might charge him
11:51<psykoyiko>I would be a brazillionaire with no rent.
11:51<@mikegrb>lolz
11:51<Griswald>lol
11:51<Griswald>Quad SLI = sexy.
11:52<psykoyiko>Griswald: invalid lvalue
11:52<Griswald>?
11:53<npmr>psykoyiko, so the crazy part is that my parents and my girlfriend live about 300 miles apart
11:53<psykoyiko>yes, that is crazy.
11:53<@mikegrb>lolz
11:53<Griswald>lol
11:53<Griswald>too much travel
11:53<Griswald>:)
11:53<psykoyiko>are you driving or riding the rails?
11:53<npmr>driving
11:53<psykoyiko>oh that's right, you bought a car
11:53[~]psykoyiko memories come flooding back
11:54<npmr>yeah, i've had that thing almost two years now
11:54<npmr>i'd still rather not
11:54<psykoyiko>see, I've been in this time warp.
11:54<psykoyiko>wherein the passage of time a) goes unnoticed b) happens fast
11:54<Griswald>damn psyko
11:54<Griswald>I want those hax
11:54<npmr>well, on the business end, my income has tripled since two years ago and my expenses have 3/4'd
11:55<Griswald>I'm currently unemployed and time is going by so SLOW :P
11:55<psykoyiko>tripled is good.
11:55<npmr>on the location end, i'm split between chicago and michigan instead of being all in chicago or all in michigan
11:55<psykoyiko>Griswald: have a baby
11:55<Griswald>have one.
11:55<Griswald>:)
11:55<psykoyiko>I see.
11:55<Griswald>but she's usually asleep
11:55<Griswald>and when she's awake, it's to eat.
11:55<npmr>on the relationship end, i'm dating
11:56<psykoyiko>Griswald: how old?
11:56<psykoyiko>npmr: so is this the same girl that was looking for work awhile back
11:56<Griswald>~8 months
11:56<@mikegrb>lolz
11:56<Griswald>lol
11:56<psykoyiko>(out here)
11:56<npmr>psykoyiko, yes
11:56<psykoyiko>groovy.
11:56<psykoyiko>Griswald: me too, only mine never seems to sleep
11:57<Griswald>I've got a good baby :P
11:57<Griswald>she loves PC's :D
11:57<npmr>ha ha
11:57<psykoyiko>okay, now I am hardcore Xcoding.
11:57<Griswald>I cut the cord off one of my old keyboards and gave it to her
11:57<Griswald>she loves it :P
11:57<psykoyiko>oooh, good idea.
11:58<npmr>i have a niece who used to run at the keyboard screaming "buttons!" when she was about two or three
11:58<psykoyiko>keys might be a choking hazard though.
11:58<npmr>then she'd just start banging on them randomly
11:58<Griswald>we keep an eye out
11:58<Griswald>she's currently starting to learn to walk as well
11:58<Griswald>she can already stand
11:58<Griswald>:)
11:59<Griswald>with help of things, of course
11:59<@mikegrb>heh, yeah, we had to get hunter a fake laptop
11:59<psykoyiko>one of those vtech things?
11:59<@mikegrb>if I left mine on the arm of the couch, he would climb up on the couch, pick the laptop up with both hands and put it in front of him
11:59<@mikegrb>then type
11:59<@mikegrb>psykoyiko: yes, similiar
11:59<@mikegrb>but for younger kids
12:00<npmr>i gave my two year old nephew my old cell phone for christmas
12:00<npmr>it has no service and the battery is permanently dead
12:00<@mikegrb>oh man, phones are his other big thing
12:00<@mikegrb>and anything that looks like a phone
12:00<@mikegrb>like an electric razor, gps receiver, tv remote
12:00<npmr>ha ha
12:00<@mikegrb>holds it up to his ear and talks
12:00<npmr>brilliant!
12:01<@mikegrb>well except it isn't english
12:01<psykoyiko>excellent.
12:01<@mikegrb>or any other known language
12:01<@mikegrb>he walked at 8 months which appearantly means he will be late talker
12:01<@mikegrb>he babbles a lot
12:01<@mikegrb>months ago he was given a bath and said water
12:01<kvandivo>you should have named him Brooke
12:01<@mikegrb>hasn't said it since
12:02<@mikegrb>he's said lots of words, he will say them for a few days and then not ever say them again
12:02<npmr>ma ma, da da, and ki ki was last i knew
12:02<npmr>that was a few months ago, though
12:02<@mikegrb>yeah
12:02<npmr>or longer.... maybe around 1 year?
12:03<@mikegrb>he's about 15 monts
12:03<@mikegrb>lolz
12:03<Griswald>lol
12:03<@mikegrb>16 I guess
12:03<Griswald>my daughters the same mike
12:03<Griswald>but she loves to say "Da da da da da da da da"
12:03<@mikegrb>but he understands
12:03<npmr>my cousin has a 18 month old daughter who is learning to talk now
12:03<@mikegrb>neighbors kitten was in and we didn't know where it was, asked hunter "where's the kitty?"
12:04<@mikegrb>walked straight to it and pointed
12:04<npmr>she's been communicating with hand signs since she was about 5 months old
12:04<npmr>so she's been a little slow to replace signs with words
12:04<npmr>but very very communicative
12:05<psykoyiko>damnit, my wife has left with the vpn fob
12:05<Griswald>:)
12:09<taupehat>on the keychain?
12:10<psykoyiko>yep.
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12:35<[|^__^|]>". . . we could end up with a situation where it's legal to own
12:35<[|^__^|]>hardware that automatically fires bullets really fast but
12:35<[|^__^|]>illegal to have software that automatically fires bits really
12:35<[|^__^|]>fast. -- Jenny Reiswig"
12:58<linbot>New news from forums: UDP traffic not being allowed out in Linux Networking <http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2054>
13:07<warewolf>OMFGWTF
13:07<warewolf>I AM SPENDING $1K
13:07<warewolf>god I hate my job now
13:08<warewolf>holy hopping jesus christ on a pogo stick
13:11<warewolf>oh, no I'm not
13:11<warewolf>I'm spending $530.
13:11<warewolf>well, that's the flight.
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13:51<warewolf>shazbutt
13:51<warewolf>I'm spending $800
13:51<warewolf>I wasn't far off in the first place :/
13:53<kvandivo>kudos on your accuracy
13:54<warewolf>I'm extremely glad that I jumped the gun and cleared off $1k room on my credit card *this morning*
13:54<npmr>i am spending $1K
13:54<kvandivo>you could have just slapped down the gold card
13:54<npmr>per month
13:54<npmr>on me
13:54<warewolf>I did slap down the gold card
13:54<warewolf>my gold card isn't that McFly
13:55<warewolf>ok
13:55<warewolf>I go to bed now. I've been awake waaaaay too long.
13:55[~]warewolf -c sleep &
14:20<srid>any idea when Xen will be made available?
14:20<warewolf>1 year, 37 days, 15 hours, 10 minutes and 12.314159 seconds.
14:20<warewolf>and counting.
14:21<warewolf>(I'm kidding)
14:21<kvandivo>not 12.31415927 ?
14:21<warewolf>srid: it's coming soon. Real soon. Prod caker for details. I think it may be a matter of months.
14:23<srid>I am desperate to buy a linode sometime this month. After I do so, will the upgrade to Xen (for my linode) be smoother?
14:23<warewolf>srid: last I checked, the migration process to move from a UML based Linode to a XEN based linode was already set.
14:23<kvandivo>clicking a button, from what we've been told
14:23<warewolf>srid: yeah, pretty much clicking a "migrate" button, or something to that effect.
14:24<srid>cool
14:24<srid>btw, no Ubuntu breezy?
14:25<warewolf>ask caker and mikegrb if they can add it as a distro
14:25<warewolf>if they get enough requests, they might add it :) asking doesn't hurt.
14:26<srid>warewolf: or can I install stock Ubuntu (warty?) and upgrade without much hassles to breezy?
14:26<srid>I mean, apt-get dist-upgrade
14:27<warewolf>srid- I don't know much about Ubuntu, but I do know this channel has a lot of debian fans, so you're likely to find someone who can help.
14:27<kvandivo>http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2031&highlight=breezy seems to indicate that you can
14:28<srid>awesome
14:28<srid>I was also reading this - http://www.linode.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1716&highlight=xen
14:28<srid>I actually mainly want to host my turbogears apps - turbogears.org
14:29<warewolf>bedtime for me
14:29[~]warewolf -c sleep &
14:29<srid>btw, I have a domain name (registered a month back) and my site is hosted in nearlyfreespeech.net. How easy is it to migrade to a linode?
14:30<kvandivo>who's doing dns?
14:31<kvandivo>if nfs is, you'd probably want to get a zoneedit account or something similar
14:31<kvandivo>other than that, the term migrate is a bit of a misnomer.. i mean, linode is going to be a complete linux install, so you'll have to set up your webserver, etc etc
14:32<srid>kvandivo: yes, I'm using NFS's basic dns
14:32<kvandivo>ya, zoneedit is the easiest way to go from there.. you can even run your own dns if you want, but for small installations, zoneedit is much easier
14:32<srid>the webserver part is fine, but I'm more worried about the domain name, and email forwarding, since I haven't done any thing like this before
14:33<srid>hmm
14:34<srid>my domain is just a month old, is that a problem?
14:34<kvandivo>not hardly
14:34<kvandivo>i'd suspect a reasonably percentage of people getting a 'node have a domain that is mere hours old
14:35<srid>I heard that yahoo is charging $3 per domain. How do I change my existing domain to yahoo?
14:35<kvandivo>sounds like you already have the domain name. why mess with it? when it comes due in another 11 months (or 23 months.. whatever) worrya bout it
14:36<srid>:)
14:36<srid>for the next renewal,i mean
14:36<kvandivo>oh. yahoo should have instructions for you, then
14:38<srid>btw, I don't want to buy a linode for a year initially. If i want to pay for a month + setup, and then from second month, if I want to pay for the whole year, will the setup fee be refunded and will I get 50% extra storage?
14:38<Neurosis>man startlogic those sobs wont unlock my domain with tucows.... i sent em my last four of cc# like 10 times and their stupid ticket system gets me a different tech every time who just asks for my last 4 again
14:39[~]Neurosis kicks startlogic.com in the balls
14:39<Redgore>Neurosis: can you log into opensrs ? might be able to do something from there
14:39<Neurosis>i did
14:40<Neurosis>but my domain is locked so i cant change nameservers
14:40<Neurosis>those startlogic guys support sucks
14:40<Redgore>tucows resellers can be a PITA
14:41<kvandivo>srid: don't know about the setup fee, but you get the extra storage
14:42<Neurosis>yep
14:44<Neurosis>srid: kvandivo said about letting domain expire then remaking with yahoo is valid but be careful about that.. i owned mrc0de.org and i did that with godaddy and they held it for 30 days trying to auction it off for $5 and then when no one bought it and i didnt pay the $80 to get it out of 'redemption period' they didnt release it and then they sold it straight to one of those catch all search portals we all hate so much
14:44<kvandivo>who said anything about letting it expire?
14:44<Neurosis><kvandivo> sounds like you already have the domain name. why mess with it? when it comes due in another 11 months (or 23 months.. whatever) worrya bout it
14:44<Neurosis>i thought thats what u meant
14:44<kvandivo>i would never tell someone to let it expire.. i was just meaning to wait until it was due for renewall
14:44<Neurosis>instead of transferring
14:44<Neurosis>my bad
14:44<Neurosis>misunderstood
14:45<kvandivo>transfer.. but go ahead and use the money that you've invested in the current registrar
14:45<Neurosis>aww yes
14:45<Neurosis>ahh*
14:45<srid>well, I feel like 80MB won't be enough, though $20/month is the budget for me
14:45<kvandivo>what services are you planning?
14:46<Neurosis>i love linodes.. i cant imagine hosting from anywhere else
14:46<Neurosis>so much control
14:46<srid>subversion, irc, apache/php, turbogears.org (rails like)
14:46<srid>lighttpd
14:46<srid>jabberd
14:46<srid>email
14:47<kvandivo>if email includes SA, you're hurting on an 80
14:47<kvandivo>SA is a hog
14:47<srid>SA?
14:47<kvandivo>spamassassin..
14:47<kvandivo>irc mean client, or server?
14:47<srid>I'll mostly be forwarding email
14:47<kvandivo>apache and lighttpd ?
14:47<srid>client
14:47<srid>but what if server also?
14:48<ferik>isn't SA on a linode 80 fine if you're only serving one user ?
14:48<srid>yes, apace and a few instances of lighttpd
14:48<srid>behind apache vhosts
14:48<kvandivo>well, if you are going to be on a site that regularly uses all of those things (ie., they all need to be in ram all the time) 80 is pushing it
14:49<kvandivo>if they can be gracefully swapped out, you would be fine.
14:49<kvandivo>the devil in the details of a linode is that you really DON'T want to bite into swap for active processes
14:49<kvandivo>swap is fine for apps that aren't being used.. but you don't want to be using more active ram than you actually have
14:49<kvandivo>swap for actively running processes is a no-no, though
14:50<Neurosis>how come?
14:50<Neurosis>isnt that what its there for?
14:50<srid>another question? how much is the swap? is it part of disk space ?
14:50<kvandivo>because that chews through your io tokens like a woodchipper chews through a branch
14:50<kvandivo>swap comes out of disk space, yes
14:50<Neurosis>my swap is 256 mb and i believe yes it comes from ur total space
14:51<Neurosis><--stupid alert...
14:51<Neurosis>whats an io token
14:51<Neurosis>i;ve heard of it
14:51<Neurosis>dunno what it is
14:51<kvandivo>http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/IO_Tokens
14:51<Neurosis>ahh
14:51<Neurosis>tank u
14:52<kvandivo>99% of the io token problems that people have are a direct result of hitting swap for active processes
14:53<Neurosis>hmm
14:53<Neurosis>-bash: io_status: command not found
14:53<kvandivo>no kidding
14:53<@caker>Milestone: Xen Public Beta - Completed 1 day ago - 100% completed - Closed tickets: 13 Active tickets: 0 :))
14:53<Neurosis>how do u keep a process from hitting swap?
14:53<kvandivo>Neurosis: tune it so that it fits in available ram
14:53<@caker>just waiting on cabinets/hardware now :)
14:53<Neurosis>ahh i c
14:54<kvandivo>speaking of xen, hopefully it will help a lot with the io token issue. initial results look promising, (i think caker would agree with me saying that)
14:55<kvandivo>the io token issue is surmountable.. (trust me on this one.. i know) it just requires getting your 'node tuned so that it stays in ram
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15:31<psykoyiko>I wish to Xen
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15:37<anderiv>psykoyiko: don't we all
15:37<encode>how philosophical of you
15:39<anderiv>I try
15:45<ascott>hey gang.
15:45<anderiv>caker: has anyone requested adding the ztdummy module to the kernel (for asterisk support)?
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15:45<ascott>I've been having some troubles with my linode and was wondering if anyone can give me any tips?
15:45<kvandivo>tip #1: don't eat yellow snow
15:45<ascott>right now, when I log into the member area of linode.com it says it's online.
15:46<ascott>but it sure isn't to the rest of the world.
15:46<[|^__^|]>how about lish?
15:46<ascott>kvandivo: never stir fry naked
15:46<[|^__^|]>oh, and hi ascott
15:46<[|^__^|]>long time no see
15:46<kvandivo>ascott: good one! that sounds painful
15:46<ascott>hiya. crackmonkey?
15:46<[|^__^|]>Yep.
15:46<[|^__^|]>ascott: what about when you ssh into lish?
15:47<ascott>no, telnetting to port 22 yields no prompt
15:47<anderiv>ascott: not telnet...ssh
15:47<[|^__^|]>nono, lish
15:47<ascott>telnetting to 25 is the same, just nothing
15:48<[|^__^|]>ascott: lish is your console
15:48<ascott>no ssh on this boxen. hang on, I'll get putty
15:48<ascott>oh, there. k.
15:48<[|^__^|]>ascott: what host are you on?
15:48<ascott>not sure. IP, you mean?
15:49<anderiv>ascott: lish. right side. hostXX.linode.com
15:49<ascott>host55.linode.com
15:49<[|^__^|]>ascott: for example, I used to be on host27
15:49<[|^__^|]>ascott: so I'd "ssh zork@host27.linode.com"
15:49<[|^__^|]>and get to the console that way
15:49<ascott>I"m on a dial-up wtih XP. :-P
15:50<[|^__^|]>so you might "ssh ascott@host55.linode.com"
15:50<ascott>right.
15:50<ascott>hang on, I need an ssh client. none here.
15:50[~]npmr suggests to caker a "Lish" button on the LPM that sits the user in front of an ssh applet automatically aimed at the right host with the right user name
15:50<[|^__^|]>mindterm, baby
15:50<npmr>totally
15:50[~]anderiv seconds npmr suggestion
15:53[~]tronix triple-seconds ;)
15:53<tronix>i've run mindterm for a long time. awesome stuff.
15:53<[|^__^|]>I've had it for a long time, but never used it myself
15:53<[|^__^|]>because it's javur
15:54<[|^__^|]>but my users take advantage of it
15:54<tronix>it's saved my arse when I've been in remote places, a few times :)
15:54<[|^__^|]>http://zork.net/ssh even has a javurscript OTP calculator beside it!
15:54<ascott>seems like it just times out.
15:54<[|^__^|]>ascott: what are you trying to do
15:54<ascott>ssh from tathata.org to the linode host (sacredroad.org)
15:54<[|^__^|]>no
15:54<ascott>just hangs indefinately.
15:55<[|^__^|]>sacredroad.org is *not* your host
15:55<[|^__^|]>guaranteed
15:55<[|^__^|]>unless it is a CNAME for host55.linode.com
15:55<[|^__^|]>you are confusing host with guest
15:55<ascott>well, yeah.
15:55<[|^__^|]>let's say your linode username is sacredroad
15:55<ascott>I set up DNS for sacredroad.org to point to the IP of host55.linode.com
15:55<[|^__^|]>you want to ssh sacredroad@host55.linode.com
15:55<ascott>ah, that might be my problem...
15:55<[|^__^|]>You shouldn't have
15:55<[|^__^|]>did you?
15:55<ascott>i changed hostnames on host55.linode.com to sacredroad.org
15:56<[|^__^|]>what?
15:56<[|^__^|]>you lack the permission
15:56<tronix>ascott: host55's sshable for me. do you have firewalling in between you somewhere and host55?
15:56<[|^__^|]>okay okay
15:56<[|^__^|]>there are [nick@xyzzy(/tmp)] host host55.linode.com
15:56<[|^__^|]>host55.linode.com has address 70.85.129.16
15:56<[|^__^|]>[nick@xyzzy(/tmp)] host sacredroad.org
15:56<[|^__^|]>sacredroad.org has address 69.93.127.206
15:56<tronix>btw, ascott, sacredroad.org dns still points to ... heh, what he said
15:56<tronix>ascott: for now, just ssh directly to host55.linode.com
15:56<[|^__^|]>ascott: you want to ssh to the *host*, not your *guest instance*
15:57<[|^__^|]>your node is unreachable
15:57<ascott>okay, but I want to use the linode account and not an account I set up on my virtual server, right?
15:57<[|^__^|]>the host that it runs on is what you need to connect ot
15:57<[|^__^|]>right
15:57<ascott>okay, but why is my node unreachable?
15:57<[|^__^|]>I don't know. Didn't you say it was?
15:57<tronix>you'll have to hop on the console of your node
15:57<tronix>to figure out why
15:57<ascott>it's done this a few times now.
15:57<[|^__^|]>Yes exactly.
15:58<[|^__^|]>Are you running 2.6?
15:58<[|^__^|]>kernel.
15:58<ascott>holy sh*t
15:58<[|^__^|]>?
15:58<ascott>__alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=0x1d2/0)
15:58<[|^__^|]>yeah
15:58<npmr>oom
15:58<ascott>what's that?
15:58[~][|^__^|] nods
15:58<tronix>out of memory
15:58<npmr>out of memory
15:58<tronix>what he said ;)
15:58<[|^__^|]>Out Of memory
15:59<[|^__^|]>yeah
15:59<ascott>erm. :-/
15:59[~][|^__^|] is lagged from a heavy rdiff-backup
15:59<ascott>mmkay. reboot.
15:59<tronix>ascott: you'll hafta tune your apps a bit to not use so much mem
15:59<kvandivo>http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Alloc_pages
15:59<tronix>once you get that down pat, you'll be all good
15:59[~][|^__^|] nods
15:59<[|^__^|]>I run top and hit M
15:59<[|^__^|]>shift-M
15:59<encode>or, just upgrade your ram / plan
15:59<[|^__^|]>and watch to see what consumes RAM
15:59<ascott>okay. thanks guys, (and gals, if any)
15:59<kvandivo>ha
15:59<tronix>(occasionally is :) )
15:59<kvandivo>you are?
16:00[~]tronix quickly takes off cross-dressing clothes and reverts back ;)
16:00<[|^__^|]>occasionally
16:00<tronix>hahaha
16:00<psykoyiko>irssi using 4mb!
16:00<[|^__^|]>it happens.
16:00<tronix>zoinks!
16:00<tronix>log buffering? :)
16:00<[|^__^|]>RSS - Shared = rough estimate of consumption
16:01<[|^__^|]>heh
16:01<encode>wheres that configuration file for mysql that makes it use less ram?
16:02<kvandivo>try /etc/my.cnf
16:02<kvandivo>it can be various places, is the proper answer to your question
16:02<[|^__^|]>kvandivo: I think he means the example config with low-ram stuff
16:02<kvandivo>oh, that
16:02<npmr>http://theshore.net/~caker/uml/my.cnf
16:03<kvandivo>http://www.linode.com/wiki/index.php/Slashdot_My_Linode
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16:05<ascott>dude, lish is pretty cool. what is that? stdout as my user's shell?
16:05<[|^__^|]>it's just a restricted shell
16:05<[|^__^|]>you're in screen
16:05<[|^__^|]>do a ^ad and hit ?
16:05<[|^__^|]>you can set up VCs as screen windows if you really want to
16:05<ascott>cooool.
16:06<npmr>it's /dev/tty0
16:06<ascott>don't think I need to, but cool.
16:07<npmr>well, /dev/tty0 plus a few tools
16:07<[|^__^|]>try not to do too much in console, because the "logview" command keeps console output logged in case of a crash
16:07<[|^__^|]>so you can see what was the last thing on the screen before it halted
16:08<[|^__^|]>but I've checked logview only to find a week's worth of top output spewing at me
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16:09<ascott>heh.
16:09<ascott>sorry, I had stepped away for a second.
16:10<ascott>family just came home.
16:10<ascott>gotta go for now. thanks for the help!
16:11<[|^__^|]>ha ha poor andrew
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17:41<encode>who was i talking with the other day about perl?
17:42<kvandivo>Where'd I leave my keys?
17:44<FireSlash>Anyone wanna buy a used laptop hard drive? Got a spare Conner PANT 1.18 SG3 here... Comes with a free windows license :P
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18:08<Neurosis>i thought windows was always free >:)
18:09<guinea-pig>i pay $560/month for a dozen windows
18:10<guinea-pig>and some walls to hold them up
18:11<encode>hehe
18:11<encode>at least those sort of windows dont crash
18:11<Neurosis>bsod that actually kills u
18:12<@mikegrb>lolz
18:12<Neurosis>lol
18:12[~]Neurosis grabs a baseball and defrags guinea-pig's place
18:12<encode>hehe
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18:41<FireSlash>Neurosis i thought windows was always free >:) <-- Well, yeah. But with this drive, you can be the PROUD OWNER of a 100% LEGIT license for WINDOWS 3.1!!
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21:23<warewolf>fuck
21:23<warewolf>google fucked up s2s on their jabber implementation
21:23<guinea-pig>not now, people are watching
21:23<warewolf>it's ONE FUCKING WAY.
21:24<guinea-pig>oh?
21:24<warewolf>yes
21:24<guinea-pig>is s2s like p2p?
21:24<warewolf>my gmail account can talk to my own personal jabber server but not vice versa
21:24[~]warewolf -c work &
21:24<warewolf>no.
21:24[~]warewolf -c work &
21:24<taupehat>...
21:24<guinea-pig>oh s=server?
21:30<fo0bar>warewolf: works for me, I can talk and add in both directions
21:34<fo0bar>$ host -t srv _xmpp-server._tcp.gmail.com
21:34<fo0bar>_xmpp-server._tcp.gmail.com SRV 20 0 5269 talk-py.l.google.com.
21:34<fo0bar>_xmpp-server._tcp.gmail.com SRV 20 0 5269 talk-va.l.google.com.
21:34<fo0bar>_xmpp-server._tcp.gmail.com SRV 5 0 5269 talk.google.com.
21:38<encode>i dont run a jabber server anymore, so i cant really test
21:50<@mikegrb>I invented jaber
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22:01<encode>mikegrb: sure sure
22:03<fo0bar>hello mr. mikegrb, thank you for subscribing to my service. that'll be $9.95 per month
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22:59<warewolf># warewolf@xell:~$ host -t srv _xmpp-server._tcp.richardharman.com
22:59<warewolf>hmm
22:59<warewolf>maybe that's what the problem is
23:00<warewolf>I thought I set up the srv records
23:00<warewolf>how strange
23:00<warewolf>$ORIGIN richardharman.com.
23:00<warewolf>_xmpp-server._tcp 1800 IN A 67.18.92.146
23:01<npmr>serial number?
23:01<fo0bar>warewolf: that's an A record, not SRV
23:01<warewolf>er
23:01<npmr>hehe
23:01<npmr>that too
23:01<warewolf>fo0bar: you're absolutely correct
23:01<fo0bar>_xmpp-server._tcp IN SRV 5 0 5269 cromulent.colobox.com.
23:01<fo0bar>_xmpp-client._tcp IN SRV 5 0 5222 cromulent.colobox.com.
23:01<fo0bar>_jabber._tcp IN SRV 5 0 5269 cromulent.colobox.com.
23:01<fo0bar>that's my config
23:01<warewolf>fo0bar: I wonder how I fucked this up
23:01<warewolf>fo0bar: 'cause I'm positive I followed a how-to
23:05<fo0bar>SRV records are actually quite a neat invention. too bad it wasn't thought of when "da web" was invented
23:05<warewolf># warewolf@xell:~$ binddate
23:05<warewolf>2006011801
23:05<fo0bar>would have made load balancing/failover a lot easier
23:07<warewolf>Jan 18 00:08:02 dazed named[25466]: dns_master_load: richard_harman/richardharman.com:13: ignoring out-of-zone data (_jabber._tcp)
23:07<warewolf>yaay
23:07<warewolf>I fucked up my zone
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23:10<taupehat>warewolf: what'd you do
23:10<taupehat>hehe
23:10<warewolf>I fixed it
23:10<taupehat>ahh, good man
23:11<warewolf>[root@dazed richard_harman]# host -t srv _xmpp-server._tcp.richardharman.com
23:11<warewolf>_xmpp-server._tcp.richardharman.com SRV 5 0 5269 67.18.92.146.richardharman.com.
23:11<warewolf>ACK
23:11<fo0bar>yeah, you can't use IPs
23:11<fo0bar>it's more like an MX record
23:11<warewolf>now I Get it
23:11<warewolf>[root@dazed richard_harman]# host -t srv _xmpp-server._tcp.richardharman.com
23:11<warewolf>_xmpp-server._tcp.richardharman.com SRV 5 0 5269 richardharman.com.
23:12<warewolf>suck on /that/ choda boy!
23:12<warewolf>(not anyone here)
23:12<taupehat>eh
23:12[~]taupehat once published the MX record for taupehat.com as 192.168.1.140
23:12<warewolf>taupehat: I did the same
23:13<warewolf>[root@dazed richard_harman]# host -t mx xabean.net
23:13<warewolf>xabean.net mail is handled by 5 the.void.xabean.com.
23:13<taupehat>heh
23:13<warewolf>[root@dazed richard_harman]# host the.void.xabean.com
23:13<warewolf>the.void.xabean.com has address 1.2.3.4
23:13<warewolf>since 0.0.0.0 and 127.0.0.1 did not work
23:13<warewolf>how else do I say "I. DO. NOT. WANT. MAIL."
23:13<warewolf>?
23:13<fo0bar>don't run a mail server :)
23:15<warewolf>egad
23:15<warewolf>restartingrestarting named chug chug
23:15<warewolf>.. my linode
23:17<warewolf>OKAY
23:17<warewolf>h_xmpp-server._tcp.richardharman.com SRV 5 0 5269 richardharman.com.
23:17<warewolf>s/^h//
23:17<warewolf>now that my laptop sees that zone correctly (/me curses overly large TTLs)
23:19<warewolf>YAAY
23:19<warewolf>two-way gmail xmpp chat works
23:19[~]warewolf is happy
23:20[~]warewolf now nolonger signs into google talk
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23:58<taupehat>hmm
23:58<taupehat>I wonder if there's some ipv6 network that my node is hooked up to
23:58<taupehat>=]
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