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---Logopened Fri Jan 27 00:00:23 2006
00:02<anderiv>so have I just been lucky to have never been on a host that's thrown a kernel panic?
00:03[~]taupehat thinks it's only one or two hosts that do that
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00:03<anderiv>not by the looks of this --->
00:04<anderiv>unless some of those panics weren't caused by the UML bug or whatever it is.
00:04<taupehat>which host are you on?
00:04<taupehat>am on 15
00:05<taupehat>guess we're lucky after all
00:05<anderiv>that's the third host I've been on, though, and have never had the crash.
00:05<anderiv>"The Crash"
00:05[~]anderiv knocks on wood
00:07[~]anderiv wanders off to find some scotch
00:07<taupehat>actually, starting with page1
00:07<taupehat>there's some doozies there
00:39<gpd>mikegrb: when the guide says: use finder to connect to server... any idea what protocol to use? mine doesn't seem to work? possibly because i didn't call it idisk.domain but gdisk.domain...
00:40<@caker> <-- new homepage .. didn't look like that right after the launched the "store"
00:40<@mikegrb>gpd: I don't know that I ever connected that way but I assume http/https
00:40<@mikegrb>gpd: I just did the connect to idisk thingie in finder
00:41<@mikegrb>caker: read the articles today about google vide?
00:41<@caker>mikegrb: no?
00:41<@mikegrb>er video
00:41<@mikegrb>talked about how google admitted they screwed up
00:41<@caker>where was this?
00:41<@mikegrb>all the other google launches everybody said "wow"
00:41<gpd>mikegrb: k, seems to work now - ta
00:41<@caker>also: :)
00:41<@mikegrb>but google video was "hmm"
00:41<@mikegrb>they didn't make it revolutionary or whatever
00:42<@mikegrb>released it before it was ready
00:42<taupehat>just scored that guy out of the freebox
00:42<taupehat>he's great
00:42<taupehat>wind him up and he thrashes his arms around menacingly
00:42<taupehat>laundry room here has a table that used to be where unclaimed clothes went
00:42<taupehat>it's become a defacto freebox
00:43<taupehat>there's a computer monitor there, some toys, a picture frame, and of course clothes
00:43<@caker>interesting concept
00:43<taupehat>and that little guy, who is soon to end up on the top of my server rack at work
00:43<@caker>I would have figured couches and crap would end up there/near it
00:43<taupehat>there isn't room - it's just a table in the laundry room
00:43<@mikegrb>caker: can't find anything in the bloglines search thingie, know I read it more then one place today though
00:44<taupehat>most people here shove their couches in the compactor when they want to get rid of them - it's more fun =]
00:44<@mikegrb>heh, we scored $300 cash like that at the museum
00:44<@mikegrb>was at the time we were building a robot
00:44<@mikegrb>someone turned in 3 $100 bills to the information booth person
00:45<@mikegrb>nobody asked her or the security gaurds about any lost money so at the end of the day she gave it to us
00:45<@mikegrb>paid for the motors
00:45<@mikegrb>motors are frik'n expensive
00:45<@mikegrb>they were $150 each
00:45<@mikegrb>total was 350 or so with tax
00:46<taupehat>that's a much better pic
00:46<taupehat>he's quite intimidating for being only 3 inches tall
00:48<fo0bar>ok, that gives me nightmares
00:48<taupehat>try that
00:49<taupehat>you should see it when he's wound up
00:51<taupehat>you CAN see him when he's wound up
00:52<taupehat>never fails to amaze me what people choose to put on the internet
00:55<fo0bar> <-- watch this, but if you're waiting for the punchline, it never happens... sadly, he DOESN'T crash into a lightpole
00:56<taupehat>drifting on snow is more fun in a bus
01:00<taupehat>fo0bar: you'll enjoy this one then
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02:28<rko_>is everything ok at TP?
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02:30<rko_>hey caker, everything ok at TP?
02:30<rko_>I can't ping host53, host52...
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02:31<rko_>I can't ping
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02:32<rko_>trying to figure id it's my routes or what
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02:33<cmantito>here's an issue.
02:33<cmantito>I can't route to from my linode
02:34<cmantito>but I can route to it from my home? and a bunch of other place.
02:34<cmantito>but I can route to it from my home? and a bunch of other places.
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02:34<rko_>it is routing
02:35<rko_>same thing here... can't reach these from home but web sites work fine theough AOL
02:36<cmantito>kevin@redbaron:~$ traceroute
02:36<cmantito>traceroute to (, 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
02:36<cmantito> 1 ( 1.216 ms 0.787 ms 0.659 ms
02:36<cmantito> 2 ( 0.973 ms 0.606 ms 0.690 ms
02:36<cmantito>that's as far as it gets
02:36<cmantito>then it dies...
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03:02<internat>did u break something?
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03:50<internat>yah for io stats
03:51<cmantito>and....the route is back
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05:21<linbot>New news from forums: Apache installation guide in Linux, Apache, Mysql and PHP (LAMP) Forum <> || Debian server setup guide in Linux Tips, Tricks, Tutorials <>
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11:29<linbot>New news from forums: linode mail server setup? in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
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13:00<xela>I'm new to linode and new to linux (I'm an old unix hand) Everything looks familiar but different. I have a couple of pretty basic questions I'm hoping people can help out with....
13:01<npmr>can't answer a statement
13:01<xela>I'm using the ubuntu image. How do I disable DHCP & set my IP address staticcally?
13:02<trip>ifconfig can modify it
13:02<alex323>Disable the script that starts dhcpd via rc-update.d
13:02<trip>if you want the setting to keep you modify /etc/network/interfaces
13:03<xela>as in cat > /etc/ifconfig.eth0<cr> netmask
13:07<trip>on my laptop the only file i ever have to modify to setup static ips is /etc/network/interfaces
13:08<xela>Ok, reading the interfaces(5) man page...
13:09<xela>There doesn't seem to be a man page for rc, rc-update, or rc-update.d. Where is the rc system documented?
13:10<trip>Let me give you an example interfaces file
13:10<npmr>xela, well, since alex323 answered your question about configuring interfaces under ubuntu with "ifconfig." i have to wonder whether he's referring to some other distribution
13:10<npmr>xela, modifying /etc/network/interfaces is the way it's done in ubuntu and debian
13:10<trip>map eth0
13:11<trip>iface eth0 inet ip
13:11<npmr>most of the mapping related stuff you can just ignore for your linode
13:11<trip>gateway ip
13:11<npmr>it's mostly relevant to laptops
13:11<xela>Yeah, the interfaces man page is pretty straightforward.
13:11<trip>well there ya go then
13:12<npmr>when you've got statics all set up, run "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0"
13:12<trip><3 debian based distros
13:12<npmr>that will take down the interface and bring it back up with the new configuration
13:12<xela>So my other immediate question is where to look for documentation of the rc system?
13:12<npmr>i'm not sure what he was referring to
13:12<trip>nor am i
13:13<npmr>but debian's (and ubuntu's) initscripts are stored in /etc/init.d
13:13<npmr>there are symlinks under /etc/rc[0-6].d
13:13<npmr>those rc[0-6].d correspond to your init runlevels
13:13<npmr>the default in ubuntu is runlevel 2
13:14<efudd>runlevel numbers used to have a mostly consistant meaning. :/
13:14<npmr>normally you will not need to touch anything in those directories
13:14<npmr>to start, stop, restart, or reload a specific service, you can run the initscript directly,
13:14<npmr>e.g. to restart apache run "/etc/init.d/apache restart"
13:15<npmr>xela, have you educated yourself on linode's i/o limiter?
13:16<anderiv>xela: ^^^^
13:21<xela>Ok, the /etc/init.d stuff looks largely the same as solaris. Thanks for the pointer on the i/o limiter; I'll have to familiarize myself with that. Thanks!
13:21<anderiv>xela: the IO limiter can be your best friend or your worst enemy....
13:21<anderiv>...depends on the day ;-)
13:22<xela>Heh. I plan to use the linode machine pretty much exclusively as a nameserver, so it _shouldn't_ become an issue...
13:22<npmr>yeah, that should fit well within your limits
13:22<npmr>seeing as nameservers do so little i/o
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13:29<xela>Ok, if I'm grokking this, all I have to do is edit /etd/network/interfaces to set eth0 statically. Then, since /etc/network/interfaces no longer has an interface set by dhcp, dhclient won't run at boot. Am I missing anything?
13:30<xela>(If I'm not missing something, this is pretty damned slick.)
13:33<anderiv>I'm not an ubuntu user, so I can't verify...but it wouldn't hurt to reboot to see what happens.
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13:36<xela>I've never used dhcp on anything but windows boxes & Macs. If I reboot and dhclient _does_ run, will it reliably leave a lot file or som other evidence that it ran? If not, rebooting won't tell me anything.
13:36<xela>s/lot file/log file/
13:36<anderiv>xela: I'd guess that it would leave evidence in /var/log somewhere.
13:37<npmr>xela, you will not need to reboot, and dhclient will not run
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13:38<anderiv>sprouse: bad idea
13:39<xela>npmr: So this /etc/network/interfaces thing really is that slick? Nice.
13:39<npmr>yes, but you will need to run ifdown and ifup to reset the interface
13:40<xela>Yeah; the interfaces(5) man page made that clear.
13:40<npmr>ok, cool
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17:24<@caker>Must. Get. Food.
17:34<@mikegrb>mmm cake
17:34<[|^__^|]>get cake
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17:52<@caker>[|^__^|]: oh wise one of all things Debian -- is deb's latest 2.6 kernel really 2.6.8, or am I mistaken?
17:53<[|^__^|]>that may be for stable
17:53<@caker>correct .. sarge/3.1 (at least that's what it is on my install disc)
17:53<[|^__^|]>looks like debian followe dthe ubuntu way
17:53<[|^__^|]>went from "kernel-image-blahblah" to "linux-image-blahblah"
17:53<[|^__^|]>I blame the Hurd.
17:54<[|^__^|]>Package: kernel-image-2.6-686
17:54<[|^__^|]>Depends: linux-image-2.6-686
17:54<[|^__^|]>Package: linux-image-2.6-686
17:54<[|^__^|]>Depends: linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 (= 2.6.15-2bpo1)
17:54<@caker>and that's ... testing?
17:54<[|^__^|]>oh, that may be
17:55<@caker>not that it really matters to me since I roll my own kernels .. but I'm kinda surprised that they're using an amost 2 year old kernel
17:55<[|^__^|]>I'm not
17:55<[|^__^|]>they've always done stuff like that for stable
17:56<[|^__^|]>they patched the hell out of some 2.2 kernel beyond all practical reason
17:56<@caker>ok .. I'm really NOT trolling here .. Mike and I are making a decision on Deb vs Ubuntu for the new hosts. I know all the tricks of using backports and testing and whatnot, but...
17:56<[|^__^|]>yeah, it's a tough call
17:57<@caker>we've both agreed that if we went with deb we wouldn't be painting ourselves into a corner since the hosts don't do much
17:57<@caker>but for some reason a 2 year old kernel package in their LATEST update is kinda turning me off
17:57<[|^__^|]>well realize that stable is *old*
17:58<[|^__^|]>and also realize that the 2 year old kernel has the very latest security patches backported
17:58<@caker>that's nuts
17:58<[|^__^|]>these guys are maintaining 2.6.8 in a big way
17:58<@caker>no CFQ, etc
17:58<[|^__^|]>it's nuts from one perspective
17:58<@caker>that seems like a shitload of work for them
17:58<[|^__^|]>but they're promising stability
17:58<[|^__^|]>yeah it is, and they do it to provide consistency
18:00<@caker>so .. their testing tree is that much more up to date .. impressive difference
18:00<[|^__^|]>do you want to run the hosts on testing?
18:00<[|^__^|]>do you want backports?
18:00[~]caker shrugs
18:00<[|^__^|]>at that point, i can see why you'd be interested in Ubuntu
18:00<@caker>I'd want more recent versions of the tools we use, that's for sure (gcc, bridge utils, etc)
18:01<[|^__^|]>sort of like testing but blessed as a 'release' instead of just "I'm grabbing some release candidates that look okay for now"
18:01<@caker>there's also some cool "cluster" configuration management tools coming down the line from the Ubuntu peeps
18:01<[|^__^|]>oh yeah?
18:01<[|^__^|]>that could be teh win
18:01<@caker>I agree
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18:41<sprouse>anyone offer their recommendation on what path to backup with is using tar then downloading to home pc
18:42<sprouse>I want the minimum such as /etc /home but I don't know what else
18:42<[|^__^|]>you may want /var/mail if you still use the old mbox stuff instead of Maildir
18:43<sprouse>/var/mail and I guess /var/logs too
18:43<[|^__^|]>if you want the logs
18:43<[|^__^|]>I don't back up logs
18:43<[|^__^|]>they change too quickly
18:43<[|^__^|]>too ephemeral
18:43<[|^__^|]>I won't need them in a situation where I'm doing a restore from backups
18:44<sprouse>thanks, I'm going bonkers trying to get cwRsync on the home pc
18:45<sprouse>it's cygwin with and installer that includes rsync service
18:45<[|^__^|]>oh, windows.
18:46<sprouse>yup. windows. I don't think my wife and 3 y/o would appreciate ubuntu tomorrow when they go to disney playhouse
18:47<sprouse>they are lucky I don't have a blank cd handy
18:47<@mikegrb>my wife and 1.5 year old use ubuntu
18:49<sprouse>hmm. i guess all they really need is the browser for
18:50<sprouse>I wonder about shockwave, I guess firefox installs in automatically?
18:50<[|^__^|]>you mean flash?
18:50<[|^__^|]>you can install flash on ubuntu
18:50<sprouse>yes, flash
18:50<sprouse>maybe I'll surprise them :-) if I find a cd
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19:31<sprouse>[|^__^|]: here goes, gonna tar-it-up; its gonna kill my ratemylinode rankings and eats all my tokens
19:33<sprouse>I'm backing up my linode the only way I know how using tar
19:33<sprouse>seems to take 10 minutes on my 120 to tar 350 megs
19:34<[|^__^|]>I use rdiff-backup
19:34<[|^__^|]>on a remote machine
19:34<[|^__^|]>works great
19:34<[|^__^|]>the box has a root @reboot cron job that does the rdiff-backup and then shuts down
19:34<[|^__^|]>and I use wakeonlan to cron the backups
19:35<sprouse>I am gonna try using rdiff-backup or rsnapshot once I install ubuntu on my home pc
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19:37<sprouse>io_count=45095600 io_rate=509 io_tokens=-14 token_refill=512 token_max=400000
19:38<sprouse>thats how fast tar ate those tokens
19:38<sprouse>tokens go away with xen--right?
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19:53<[|^__^|]>xen should be using a sort of ionice system
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