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---Logopened Thu Feb 16 00:00:25 2006
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00:16<JonR>blah, linode not pingable again
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00:18<JonR>traceroute fails within
00:19<JonR>10 ( 84.111 ms 84.354 ms 84.362 ms
00:19<JonR>11 ( 84.413 ms 97.269 ms 84.320 ms
00:19<JonR>12 * *
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00:19<hal>did host15 go down?
00:20<JonR>hal: there's apparently a problem at hurricane electric
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00:20<taupehat__>what happened to host15?
00:20<hal>ok thank you
00:20<JonR>[00:19] <hal> did host15 go down?
00:20<JonR>[00:20] <JonR> hal: there's apparently a problem at hurricane electric
00:20<JonR>I'm on 17
00:20<JonR>and I can't reach it either
00:21<taupehat__>henet go byebye
00:21[~]taupehat__ makes a phone call
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00:22<JonR>hm, before my traceroute made it all the way to fremont. now it's stopping in chicago.
00:22[~]JonR worries.
00:23<xptek>Is it me, or is host12 buggered?
00:23<xptek>Or just HE again
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00:23<[|^__^|]>It's HE
00:23<xptek>How suprising (not)
00:23<@mikegrb>core router rebooted
00:23<[|^__^|]>They're probably swapping routers or something
00:23<@mikegrb>should be up in a few minutes
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00:23<taupehat__>only one router??
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00:23<xptek>It's HE, anything's possible
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00:24<hal>mikegrb: Thanks for the info
00:24<taupeht>laggy here
00:24<xptek>The gerbils powering the router died
00:24<taupeht>thanks for the update indeed
00:24<taupeht>hey now
00:24<taupeht>be nice to henet
00:24<taupeht>they're still better than teh planet
00:24<JonR>they use quality hamsters
00:24<JonR>not those filthy gerbils
00:25<xptek>My box at ThePlanet hasn't gone down in quite a long while due to network problems
00:25<taupeht>neither has mine at HE
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00:25<taupeht>but I do find the concept of a single "core router" being a bit unsettling
00:25[~]xptek shrugs
00:25<@mikegrb>TP's network is much more robust
00:26<[|^__^|]>collapsed backbone baby
00:26<xptek>And they have better gerbils, so it all works out
00:26<[|^__^|]>everybody SHUNT
00:26|-|taupeht changed nick to d|i|g|i|t|a|l
00:26<d|i|g|i|t|a|l>they need to use newer equipment than this nick
00:26|-|d|i|g|i|t|a|l changed nick to taupeh4t
00:26|-|[|^__^|] changed nick to t4upehat
00:26<taupeh4t>that's painful to look at, ergh
00:27<t4upehat>I know.
00:27[~]taupeh4t has kicked t4upehat from #linode [pwned]
00:27<t4upehat>I thought you had me on ignore, foo'
00:27<taupeh4t>I think mikegrb has run off to hide
00:28|-|t4upehat changed nick to taupehut
00:28<taupeh4t>cgirc doesn't have the ignorance list off my linode
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00:28<taupehut>Welcome to taupehut's shack of wonders!
00:28<taupeh4t>you can stop nickstealing btw
00:28<taupehut>I steal nothing, brother
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00:30<JJE>HE is down again by the looks of it :-(
00:30<taupeh4t>yes indeedy
00:30|-|hal [] has joined #linode
00:30<taupeh4t>thus my leet-speeched nick
00:30<JonR>been down for 15 minutes now
00:30<JJE>This sucks - HE are becoming increasingly unreliable....
00:30<JonR>which sucks because I was in the middle of a conversation using my linode
00:31<taupeh4t>heh JonR
00:31|-|hal changed nick to hal9000
00:31<JonR>JJE: what, this has happened like twice in the past year.
00:31<taupeh4t>JJE: to be honest, I don't know why you say that - my linode hasn't gone away in a long time
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00:31<jack2>is host24 down or something? i can't ping my linode, nor ssh to the console
00:31<taupeh4t>jack2: nice domain
00:31<taupeh4t>all of HE is down
00:31<JJE>Not quite - perhaps you weren't aware - HE have had about 6 network outages over the past month.
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00:32<xptek>Indeed, JJE.
00:32<taupeh4t>JJE: I wasn't, and I'm on my linode constantly
00:32<staynalive>I've had severe latency and dropped packets on several different days in the last 6 months.
00:32[~]taupeh4t shurgs
00:32<JJE>Some lasting up to 2 hours. Most of them during the day here in Australia though so maybe at times you didn't notice.
00:32<xptek>Back up, whee!
00:32<taupeh4t>it's the 1AM nightmare
00:32<jack2>What is HE? :)
00:32<Spads>jack2: Hurricane Electric, the hosting company where some linodes are hosted
00:32<JJE>HE: Hurricane Electric
00:32<taupeh4t>JJE: match those lag times against 1AM Pacific Standard time
00:33<taupeh4t>right then everyone's bloody cron jobs run
00:33<JJE>Not quite - I chatted with MikeGRB at Linode each time and he confirmed the outages...
00:34<hal9000>looks like it might be back i can get to my node
00:34<JJE>It's back....
00:34<JJE>See you next time guys.
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00:35<Spads>taupehat: kiss me you fool!
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00:35<Spads>The HE folks are coming back into the channel...
00:36<taupehat>die die die!
00:36|-|Artifex changed nick to Guest2227
00:37[~]taupehat is now recognized... don't mess!
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00:55<JonR>goddamn HE
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01:26<OvrLrd-Q>HE having some routing issues?
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01:26<JonR>yeah, all night
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01:27<OvrLrd-Q>yea I can tell
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01:27<OvrLrd-Q>trying to compile some stuff and getting discoed every 5 minutes during the ./configure sucks
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01:28<sydneyguy>so is it just me that can't access from Sydney?
01:28<taupehat_>dubya-tee-eff, over
01:28<OvrLrd-Q>sydneyguy: no
01:28<taupehat_>sydneyguy: I think Hurricaine Electric is going sideways tonight
01:28<sydneyguy>about 2 minutes ago the SingTel routers couldn't find and beyond
01:28<taupehat_>it's bloody down again
01:28<sydneyguy>so much for HE's web advertising about redundant links etc
01:29<JonR>someone at HE is probably going to be looking for new employment tomorrow
01:29<OvrLrd-Q>eh dont think it's the links, guessing it's something internal
01:29<sydneyguy>so I take it isn't hosted on a virtual server :p
01:29<OvrLrd-Q>it is, but think it's in ThePlanet
01:30<sydneyguy>well I have to say, so far, I've really enjoyed my linode experience
01:30[~]OvrLrd-Q whois's
01:30<OvrLrd-Q>yea, www is in the planet
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01:30<sydneyguy>only had it for a week and a half.. but got the linode 80 plan, and loved installing debian/apache/mod_perl/mason/bind and what-not. It's great.
01:32<sydneyguy>hmm no point hanging around I see this will take a while to fix
01:33<Dread>i presume that coz of this HE thing hosts 9 to 26 are all down...?
01:33<taupehat_>safe presumnption, I'd say
01:33<Dread>fair enough, at least i know it wasnt me that did it
01:33<OvrLrd-Q>HE is usually the reliable one too :/
01:34<sydneyguy>well you can't prevent really big things, like BGP mess ups.
01:34<sydneyguy>or a tornado through the facility
01:34<OvrLrd-Q>dont think they get many tornadoes in cali
01:34<sydneyguy>*shrugs* whatever the local danger is.. every place has something to worry about!
01:35<OvrLrd-Q>quakes, but it's quiet over there
01:37<taupehat_>12 ( 171.239 ms 91.835 ms 101.823 ms
01:37<taupehat_>and that's where it all ends
01:37<taupehat_>11 ( 31.697 ms 32.386 ms 30.814 ms
01:37<taupehat_>most of the ping times are similar to 11
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01:38<OvrLrd-Q>hurm i love playing guess what this hostmask means
01:38<sydneyguy>I just got through to my host 24
01:38<taupehat_>but that 'pos' one throws a consistently higher ping
01:38<taupehat_>I guess it's getting hammered
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01:38<taupehat_>woohoo, back online!
01:38<sydneyguy>right I've got back up everyone.
01:38<OvrLrd-Q>sntcca, Santa Clara . . . California . . something 1-hurricane-gigabit ethernet
01:39<OvrLrd-Q>prolly go down again ;)
01:39<linbot>New news from forums: Host 24 down? in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
01:39<aatharuv>just got back to my host22 server.
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01:40<sydneyguy>well my ssh sessions recovered :)
01:40<OvrLrd-Q>HAH, told ya :(
01:40<Dread>ah excellent, i can get back to my php now :)
01:40<OvrLrd-Q>just got discoed
01:40<aatharuv>woops, my host22 is down again.
01:40<sydneyguy>yes I can confirm, traceroute is failing from Sydney
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01:41<OvrLrd-Q>i must be pyschic
01:41<sydneyguy>this site is down:
01:41<OvrLrd-Q>or psycho, either/or
01:41<sydneyguy>well at least I got to update the page I needed. Right I'm off.
01:43<sydneyguy>its back up Ovr
01:44<Dread>is it gunna stay...
01:44<sydneyguy>or is it gonna go.. ask REM that
01:44<linbot>New news from forums: Host 24 down? in General Discussion <>
01:44<sydneyguy>linbot.. aarrgghh silly bot. That's me spamming the forums.
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01:49<@caker>having fun yet?
01:49<taupehat>oh bigtime. you?
01:50<@caker>not much we can do .. this is an upstream problem, unfortunately :( I wouldn't expect this to last long
01:50[~]taupehat nods
01:50[~]taupehat is also shin-kicking everyone he knows at HEnet
01:50<taupehat>but that guy's too busy to notice
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03:02<sneakums>i trust HE is being kicked in suitably tender spots?
03:05<OvrLrd-Q>hurm, down again?
03:05<sneakums>seems to be
03:05<sneakums>lookes like it did it a few times in the past while
03:05<gsf>host19 is down -- everyone is?
03:05<sneakums>i'm on host11
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03:06<JJE2>HE down again.....
03:06<sneakums>i'm assuming it's network because i pinged out a few times over the past ~16hrs already
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03:17<OvrLrd-Q>yea it's . . . being a PITA
03:18<sneakums>i had barely time to log in and reattach screen before it went again
03:18[~]sneakums shakes his fist at HE
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03:27<JJE4>Down again....
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03:28<hawk>hi, is there any problem on hast12?
03:28<sneakums>looks like a general network problem at the place it's hosted
03:28<JJE4>All Linode hosts on HE have problems becuase HE are down.
03:28<hawk>I am experiencing outages at the moment
03:29<JJE4>There have been outages for about the last 4 hours....
03:29<JJE4>Up and down all over the show...
03:29<hawk>hmm, ok..
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03:35<JJE4>HE are back up by the looks of it - let's see how long for...
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03:36<sneakums>they're toying with us
03:36<JJE4>Must say - I'm not enjoying the game much anymore...
03:36<sneakums>i doubt the mouse does either
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04:38<cmantito>Networks go up, networks go down. Networks go up, networks go down. Sounds like my place of work when I get bored. ^.^
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05:48<hello>hi to all
05:49<hello>can you helpo me everybody?
05:49<hello>I have one problem :(
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08:07<npmr>SupaZubon, i'm deconfiguring the gaspar-dorothy uucp link on my end
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08:42<serich>anyone around noticing problems on host22?
08:42<shrap>I am unable to access mine
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08:42<wirehead>host26 seems to be down
08:43<Redgore>17 too
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08:43<Redgore>time to wake mikegrb and caker up with a support ticket :P
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08:44<iggy>time to wake them up with a boot
08:44<serich>32 is up, unfortunantly i don't have a backup of the server i need to let that one take over for me
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08:45<alienz>anyone having trouble with host26?
08:45<denis>is alive?
08:46<denis>can't reach it
08:46<iggy>they're all down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:46<alienz>well then
08:46<shrap>your hafl right :/
08:46<iggy>they are working on it
08:46<alienz>someone trip over the power cord?
08:46<denis>network cord more like
08:47<iggy>yeah, seems like a network problem, or a site power problem which seems unlikely
08:47<wferrel>or a rack poer problem
08:47<serich>the connection is up sometimes then down sometimes
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08:48<iggy>I've actually been having network issues with my linode for the past few days
08:48<denis>admin panel says server is 'running' so i assume if it is a power problem, just power to a routing device
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08:48<iggy>anybody else?
08:48<shrap>ya, my panel says all is well....
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08:49<ximbiot>my panel says all is well, but can't get to my linode. also time out sshing to, which should get me my console.
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08:49<ximbiot>whole host may be down.
08:50<Redgore>HE is out for now
08:50<serich>it's been going up and down for me since 1am (est) but my uptime never reset, so points to probably a power to network only or network problem
08:50<Redgore>just be patient and things will return to normal
08:50<serich>ahh, that answers it Redgore, thanks
08:50<iggy>my money is on network
08:50<Redgore>Hurricane Electric
08:50<Redgore>hosts 9 to 26 are located there
08:51<wferrel>iggy: have you actually heard something from the boys?
08:51<ximbiot>are those the only hosts out?
08:51<serich>you know, i should have looked at which hosts are located where before setting up which host backsup to which host....
08:52<wferrel>serich: hindsight is allways 20/20. :)
08:52<BadMan>I am currently down on host13
08:52<iggy>nope, but I know how all there stuff is setup, they have monitoring software paging them and of course the 20 trouble tickets they've gotten so far
08:52<@mikegrb>The networking issues were resoled at 4:30 am est, the problem now is network related but is suposedly unrelated to the networking outages over night.
08:52<Redgore>ximbiot: yes serich said he can gtet to his linode on host32 fine
08:52<Redgore>just HE is out
08:53[~]iggy humps mikegrb
08:53<wferrel>heh... now we've officially heard from them. :) Sorry to wake you, mikegrb.
08:53<@mikegrb>no problem
08:53<@mikegrb>and I was just falling asleep too :<
08:53<Redgore>mikegrb: you should setup a network status page or something, as soon as you get a mass of tickets about a DC being down then it auto sets to "down" :P
08:54<denis>how long will this take to resolve (minutes, hours, days?)
08:54<BadMan>So Hurricane Electric is the issue?
08:55<Redgore>denis: as long as it takes
08:55<Redgore>BadMan: yes
08:56<Redgore>denis: shouldnt be too long though, HE tend to be good at fixing stuff
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08:57<alienz>guess this gives me a reason to set up my local development system again :)
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08:58<linbot>New news from forums: host10 is not accessible in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
08:59<reece>is there a status on host 15??????
08:59<Redgore>reece: its being worked on
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09:00<raman>I saw some posts on the forums that HE is having troubles?
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09:00<Redgore>14:52 <@mikegrb> The networking issues were resoled at 4:30 am est, the problem now is network related but is suposedly unrelated to the networking outages over night.
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09:01<benti>I am thinking about getting an account and was wondering if someone can answer two questions: 1) will i be able to get libpcap type access to the unmunged IP headers of packets coming to my virtual box?
09:01<benti>2) is there any proxying on http(s)
09:01<Redgore>1) yes 2) no
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09:02<raman>Redgore: thanks, is there any timeline on resolution?
09:02<Redgore>raman: when its resolved :P
09:02<raman>:-) Of course, that goes without saying
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09:03<benti>thanks for the quick answers
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09:03<linbot>New news from forums: Hurrican Electric is Down in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
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09:05<reece>i better go. I've got a lot of paper cups and string to purchase
09:05<sweh>Heh, I come in here to ask about HE and in the time it takes for me to get the proxy configs correct... it's been discussed. The forum log web page is useful :-)
09:05<Redgore>reece: string telephones are sooo last century :P
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09:08<denis>ITS ALIVE!
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09:09[~]wirehead replaced the string with titanium wire and the cups with machined niobium resinator cavities.
09:09<linbot>New news from forums: Hurricane Electric is Down in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
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09:09<denis>well, that was scary for a minute, i'll go do a fresh backup
09:10<denis>thanks :)
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09:10<jungleg>morning all
09:11<jungleg>caker, I was having problems with two linodes... is it me only?
09:11<Redgore>jungleg: HE issues are now resolved
09:11<jungleg>I see the load on both was high on the control panel
09:11<jungleg>ah really! now both are working...
09:11<sweh>jungleg: there was just an issue with HE; if your linodes were there then that'd be causing connectivity problems for you.
09:12<jungleg>Thanks a bunch Redgore, sweh!
09:12<jungleg>HE = ?
09:12<Redgore>jungleg: its all down to HE having network issues, when the linode control panel cant connect it shows everything as high
09:12<Redgore>Hurricane Electric
09:12<sweh>HE = Hurricane Electric. One of the providers for Linode.
09:12<Redgore>where hosts9 thorugh host26 are
09:12<jungleg>Got it!
09:13<jungleg>Yep, I'm on 17 on one of those
09:13<JonR>it's safe to say that most reputable webhosts require mailinglists to be confirmed-opt-in or double-opt-in, right?
09:13<jungleg>oh, both are 17
09:13<Redgore>JonR: its down to their choice, or the laws in their country
09:14<JonR>Redgore: I'm talking about AUPs and such... Anyhow, that was my impression.
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09:14<Redgore>AUP's and such are legally binding documents
09:14<sweh>But "reputable" would mean that the subscribe request requires positive confirmation from the requesting address.
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09:14<JonR>yeah, that's what I thought.
09:14<sweh>Legally they may not need it, but good netiquette asks for it :-)
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09:19<shayne>Does anyone know if the instability with the Linode network has been resolved?
09:19<JonR>seems to be.
09:19<sweh>For the moment, anyway :-)
09:20<shayne>What is the best place to go to see notices like of outages like this? It took me a small bit of time to search the forums to find the problem. Is there a better place?
09:21<sweh>A lot of outages are discussed here first, and there is a log of the day's chat at
09:21<sweh>(which is updated live). So that's a good place to check :-)
09:22<shayne>sweh: Thanks. I appreciate it.
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10:04<taupehat>so it looks like HEnet is still going boingboing =[
10:07<linbot>New news from forums: Hurricane Electric is Down in General Discussion <> || host10 is not accessible in General Discussion <>
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11:05<warewolf>boy do I ever love it when code just comes together cleanly.
11:09<kvandivo>that happens?
11:10<warewolf>usually after a lot of required sleep so my brain is functioning at 100% instead of 50%
11:10<warewolf>(work has been burning me out lately)
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11:21<Chang>The finnix .iso doesn't seem to be present on host1
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11:56<id10t>anyone able to answer a iptables question?
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12:00<id10t>fa so la ti do?
12:01<roadmr>um.. good reply
12:01<id10t>:) too much time being an ass at rocky horror showings
12:06<roadmr>see ya laters!
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12:27<Dreamer3>mikegrb: hey, when can i get port 25 reopened?
12:28<alienz>Dreamer3: same Dreamer3 from #rubyonrails?
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12:40<alienz>Dreamer3: coolness :) how've you been you running rails on your node too?
12:41<Dreamer3>I've gotten a PA account for most rails app
12:41<Dreamer3>they just use too much ram
12:44<Dreamer3>i don't have any linode account for just rails, so i don't know if that would be as fast as a shared host... I woudl guess not because of the increased overhead
12:44<Dreamer3>PA is quite fast
12:56<alienz>Dreamer3: I haven't load tested my site, but using SQLite instead of MySQL helps
12:57<alienz>Probably be able to do 10requests/sec and that's with lots of DB hits, rendering actually eats up most of the time in (ms)
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13:10<Dreamer3>alienz: yes, but like i said i have several rails apps, plus tring to do other things... and it falls apart, rails is just a memory hog
13:30<linbot>New news from forums: Host 55: poor performance in Performance and Tuning <>
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15:01<oneman>I am having a problem with reverse dns
15:01<oneman>Its messing up my transfer of to my linode ip
15:01<oneman>atleast for my isp I see my linodes ip for but I cant get my webserver to respond..
15:02<oneman>downtime omg
15:03<npmr>[inkblot@dorothy:~]$ host
15:03<npmr> A
15:03<npmr>[inkblot@dorothy:~]$ whois | grep NetName
15:03<npmr>NetName: RESERVED-7
15:04<oneman> is currently working
15:04<oneman>it should be set the same way dns wise
15:04<npmr>[inkblot@dorothy:~]$ host
15:04<npmr> A
15:04<npmr>[inkblot@dorothy:~]$ host
15:04<npmr> A
15:05<npmr>^-- i'm guessing there's a typo in the ip address for
15:05<oneman>oh damn
15:05<npmr>you lack discipline
15:05<anderiv>oneman: are you one of the type that always forgets some mundane detail?
15:05<oneman>I was up all night it was the last thing I did
15:06<oneman>yeap after 6 hours of sql conversions
15:06<oneman>this is not a business site
15:06<oneman>its just my personal one
15:06<oneman>no big deal
15:07<oneman>thanks for that ;]
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16:11<warewolf>RoR sucks!
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16:54<kvandivo>big Roll keep on wheelin'
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17:17<warewolf>the dogs are going to be killed by my roommate
17:23<linbot>New news from forums: DNS Set-up: Debian 3.1 / Godaddy / in Linux Networking <>
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17:30<@caker>Red Hat Summit is in Nashville this year...
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17:52<linbot>New news from forums: Speed limit? in General Discussion <>
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21:42<kog>gentoo+linode 80... doesn't seem very workable
21:42<kog>anyone tried it?
21:44<kog>ah, someone's alive ;)
21:44[~]taupehat tries to imagine compiling *.* on a linode, then thinks better of it
21:45<kog>well, I also don't want to be an ass... there's already going to be plenty of contention
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21:46<taupehat>I wonder
21:47<taupehat>do you know if there's a way to throttle usage with gcc?
21:47<taupehat>like have the compile go slower on purpose
21:47<taupehat>that way you won't thrash the host etc
21:47<kog>and no, I'm not calling you nice
21:48<kog>although... in retrospect - perhaps you are
21:48<taupehat>I'm trying
21:48<taupehat>you'd mentioned that you didn't want to cause contention
21:48<taupehat>more than needed
21:48<kog>well yes, I'd also like to not spend all day getting stuff built
21:48<taupehat>one strategy you might consider would be to compile it on UML on your own computer
21:48<taupehat>and upload the disk image
21:49<taupehat>I've seen people in here doing that
21:49<kog>hm, not really sure I want to go through that trouble
21:49<taupehat>talk to caker to get any neccessariy info on the host
21:49<kog>I mean... if I wasn't so damn poor I'd obviously want a ded box, not a vps
21:49<kog>but uh... they cost money :(
21:50<kog>as for the OS... there was some way to swap between them yeah
21:50<kog>I think I saw a webapp that did that
21:50<@caker>There's generally always plenty of CPU power to go around -- it's just disk I/O that can cause slowdowns (host thrashing or limiter kicking in)
21:50<kog>(rather, a screenshot of a linode app for it)
21:50<kog>ah, caker is here... fortunate
21:50<taupehat>or you could install debian and have similar functionality on a binary distro
21:50<taupehat>hi caker
21:50<kog>caker: yes, but it'd still be kinda rude
21:51<taupehat>io limiter would stop you from bothering other hosts
21:51<@caker>kog: to each their own, but yeah -- Gentoo likes it's cpu
21:51<kog>although... gentoo has bins in the tree
21:51<kog>and I could make an ebuild for UML ... have to figure out how
21:51<kog>could also remote distcc
21:51<@caker>what? for a uml binary?
21:52<@caker><-- gentoo noob, will be quiet now
21:52<kog>caker: well, so for some packages where I either want flags or there's no binary I could make an ebuild like taupehat was saying
21:52<kog>not really sure how that'd work and if I'd need to cross-compile
21:52<kog>probably not
21:52<kog>or I could just use debian apt-get
21:53<kog>caker: how goes the process of Xen and Snapshots?
21:53<kog>I asked about them last year and I was told Q1
21:53<kog>and now we find ourselves in Q1 ;)
21:54<@caker>Q1 for xen, yes .. not snapshots, however
21:55<@caker>I'm just waiting for one of my datacenters to have space available to put more boxes online, and then we'll roll out xen
21:56<taupehat>eh caker did you ever get the story from henet about last night?
21:56<taupehat>like "what the heck was that?"
21:56<@caker>My tickets came back "replaced a router"
21:56<taupehat>guess the reset didn't work out
21:57<@caker>WHat I think happened is that the night crew did their best, and when the day shift started (10AM my time, 8AM Cali) they fixed it for real
21:57<taupehat>sounds about right
21:57<@caker>hence the twitchiness this morning
21:57[~]caker shrugs
21:57<taupehat>iirc there's a bunch of cisco upgrades out
21:57<taupehat>possibly one of them went south
22:00<xptek>HE's gerbils died
22:00<kog>sup xptek
22:00<kog>didn't know you were in here
22:00<kog>xptek: what're you running?
22:00<kog>caker: in terms of failure on boxes... I only saw a couple of really old (3 year) threads on the forums
22:00<xptek>kog: Just have a Linode for compiling/testing crap
22:01<kog>xptek: what flavor of linux?
22:01<xptek>CentOS :\
22:01<xptek>'tis nasty
22:01<@caker>kog: hmm?
22:01<xptek>I was going to put Gentoo on it, but I really didn't feel like watching everything emerge in slowmo.
22:01<kog>nevermind... it's classified unmanaged
22:02<kog>xptek: yeah, I'm contemplating doing some rather odd things with DCC
22:02<kog>damnit, why can't I type
22:02<kog>mind. melting. out of my head
22:02<@caker> <-- might be relevant
22:02<kog>hm, confucious say: I should set up Rsync or something for backups
22:03<taupehat> l'chat c'est moi
22:04<kog>caker: yeah... there are a couple ideas in my head right now... distcc+nice, building binaries locally
22:04<kog>or... move the build process onto my box here
22:05<kog>yay... cross-compile haha
22:05<kog>caker: how easy is it to upgrade plans? I heard there was going to be an automated way of doing that?
22:05<@caker>kog: yeah .. click a button when you're ready (after we configure the migration)
22:06<kog>... ok
22:07<kog>caker: and I don't see any sort of contract... just the usual ToS sorta deal?
22:07<kog>(gonna check it out monthly)
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22:42<taupeht>it's happening again
22:42<taupeht>caker or mikegreb: ping
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22:46<taupeht>I thought they swapped that thing
22:46<sydneyguy>so I can't traceroute beyond '' again
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22:46<sydneyguy>I take it this is going to be a daily thing at around this time of day with
22:46<taupeht>welcome to the club :-|
22:46<OvrLrd-Q>shoulda guessed
22:46<taupeht>it's a new evening ritual
22:47<sydneyguy>yes I see that
22:47<taupeht>HEnet falls over. More news at 11!
22:47<sydneyguy>well while I've got the best of the best on irc.. anyone tried compiling exim for yahoo! domainkeys?
22:47<sydneyguy>thought I'd give it a god
22:47<taupeht>haven't tried that, no
22:48[~]OvrLrd-Q punches in the face
22:48<sydneyguy>*shrugs* i'm not much of a mail guru but thought it might be fun to try the domain keys thing.
22:48[~]sydneyguy watches wince
22:48<sydneyguy>well there was a note added to the forums by mikegrb
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22:48<sydneyguy>he explained that were tinkering with routers
22:49<sydneyguy>and they did expect some downtime again
22:49<@mikegrb>sydneyguy: I doubt it would require a patch and recompile, you can implement just about anything in exim's config language
22:49<taupeht>hi mike
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22:49<sydneyguy>mikegrb I was just following instructions from the web that said to include EXPERIMENTAL_DOMAINKEYS into the makefile.. something you can't do in config language
22:49<@mikegrb>so it has some built in stuff
22:49<OvrLrd-Q>hey mikegrb, do we need to go get the pitchforks yet
22:50<sydneyguy>I'd join you, just that it's a wee bit expensive to fly over..
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22:50<sydneyguy>oh back up
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22:50<sydneyguy>can traceroute right through again
22:50<taupehat>hey, whoah
22:50<taupehat>look at this!
22:50<taupehat> [20:50] [taupehat(+Ri)] [8:#linode(+cnt)] [Lag: 274 (??)] [Act: 3,5,10]
22:51<dryan>join the club!
22:52<sydneyguy>great graph
22:52<warewolf>gentoo == registered sex offender
22:53<warewolf>oh damn that's an awesome post :)
22:54<taupehat>warewolf: huh?>
22:54<warewolf>23:02 <@caker> <-- might be relevant
22:54<sydneyguy>overlrd over the week looks good though
22:54<OvrLrd-Q>accidently kill -9'd the wrong ssh session
22:54<sydneyguy>its just last 24 hours that were nasty
22:54<OvrLrd-Q>sydneyguy: yea it's weird tho
22:54<OvrLrd-Q>for my 'internal' graph i use the hostname of the box i'm on host26
22:55<OvrLrd-Q>and for the 'external' i use
22:55<OvrLrd-Q>and for some odd reason the has a lower lat then pinging host26 :/
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22:58<JasonF>caker: mikegrb: ping
22:58<sydneyguy>maybe are intelligently taking the timestamp embedded in the ICMP packet of your ping command and subtracting a bit of time before returning the ICMP response
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23:00<JasonF>caker: mikegrb: Whichever host is hosted on keeps flashing in and out
23:00<OvrLrd-Q>yes, that's HE net which we've been discussing
23:01<sydneyguy>righteo I'm off..
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23:02<JasonF>well someone smack them with a dead horse
23:05<OvrLrd-Q>one of these days i'm going to get a job and get a dedi box
23:07<JasonF>OvrLrd-Q: these are DC issues. Unless you find a perfect DC (which would require $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$), same issue
23:08<OvrLrd-Q>i know I wasn't referring to the DC issues
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