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---Logopened Tue Mar 14 00:00:31 2006
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01:14<Spads>21:21 <@caker> what's linux?
01:14<Spads>if only I could set the topic
01:14<@caker>that? :)
01:15<@mikegrb>the topic in the sekr1t channel is better
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01:16<fake>is it kosher to own two linodes at once
01:17<@caker>0wn, or own?
01:17<@mikegrb>Spads: I hear money can make that happen
01:17<Spads>fake: it is every man's destiny to own two linodes at once
01:17<@caker>heh .. fake: yes, but you need to run through the singup process again
01:18<fake>i want to move away from gentoo(bleh on a linode) but I want to try many other things too while keeping my original box up
01:18<fake>What's top of the line these days
01:18<@caker>distro wise?
01:18<fake>yeah and linode wise
01:18<fake>i have a 164 or something right nw
01:19<@caker>ubuntu and
01:19<fake>(sorry had a few beers after operating systems exam so typing isn't excellent)
01:19<@caker>not much availability at the moment
01:19<fake>=/ no 320's
01:19<fake>that sucks
01:20<fake>can't squeeze me in?
01:20<@mikegrb>Linode doesn't oversell
01:20<fake>i don
01:20<fake>i know rather
01:20<@mikegrb>that's one of the things that makes us better then almost everyone else
01:20<fake>i mean -- kick someone else out:P
01:21<@mikegrb>sure, what's your existing username?
01:21[~]mikegrb throws back his head and cackles with insane glee.
01:21<fake>i'm sure you have a ddos target that needs to be shown thedoor
01:21<@caker>fake: look again... I had a few bogus signups I just cleared out
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01:24<fake>hmm can't decide on options
01:24<fake>and why can I get 3 extra IPs on my old, only 2 here.
01:24<@caker>we reduced the max allowed without justification
01:25<fake>but i just love ;p
01:26<fake>what kind of paperwork do you need? I'm usin linode for network security research (dealing with DNS)
01:27<@caker>sounds ok -- just make the request for more IPs via the ticket system after you signup, please
01:27<@caker>maybe a little more detail, should be good enough though
01:27<fake>I already have 4 on the other
01:27<fake>ok will do
01:27<fake>i don't get any cancellation penalty for cancelling the older one do it?
01:29[~]fake hugs caker in his intoxicated state
01:29<fake>any advantage in adding ram/storage/transfer?
01:29<@caker>fake: don't you need a few Liode 80s, too? :)
01:29<@caker>fake: yeah, nab all that stuff while you can
01:30<fake>im drunk and you guys want me to buy the house
01:30<@mikegrb>fake: caker added a new option just for you, click the link that says "Order Whole Host"
01:30<fake>caker how much would you valuate lnode to be
01:31<@caker>I don't really want to disclose that, but thanks for asking
01:31<fake>fair enough
01:31<fake>wasn't serious
01:31<fake>i'm a junior in college anyway
01:32<@caker>now, if you were Google, that would be a little different :)
01:32<cmantito>how much would it be to buy a whole host...? >:)
01:32<@mikegrb>then the answer would be 10 trillion
01:32<cmantito>nah, screw that, I want my own datacentre.
01:32<fake>what kind of ram-intensive stuff do you see on linodes a lot
01:32<@caker>actually -- I heard google will offer some kind of online storage
01:32<@caker>could be a good bonus for Linode users
01:32<@mikegrb>caker: it's called gmail ;)
01:33<@caker>fake: no clue -- Linodes are black boxes as far as we're concerned
01:33<@caker>mikegrb: yeah, NOT gmail :)
01:33[~]mikegrb knows
01:33<@caker>you heard/read?
01:33<@mikegrb>something else controversal too
01:33<@mikegrb>maybe it was the office productivty stuff
01:33<fake>lol i'm pimpin out the largest possible linode
01:33<@mikegrb>last week there was lots of articles about that
01:33<@caker>all ajax like?
01:34<@mikegrb>dunno, didn't read much more then the headlines
01:34<cmantito>ajax is fun.....when it works >:(
01:34<@mikegrb>main gist was that it seemed google has been steering clear of MS's bread and butter domain in the past and that now they felt they were strong enough to compete or some such
01:35<fake>caker just have one host per physical box. expensive but hott
01:35<@caker>esp since MS is coming out with the "google killer" search engine (yeah, right)
01:35<@mikegrb>cmantito: type "telecom"
01:36<@caker> <--?
01:36<cmantito>is that what that perl module you were working on was?
01:36<@mikegrb>or "the planet"
01:36<cmantito>see, firefox doesn't do the whole onKeyUp even right
01:36<cmantito>it lags.
01:36<cmantito>(for me)(
01:36<fake>so for someone who loved portage and it's package management skills, what should I move on to that doesn't require years of compiles?
01:37<cmantito> is a test to a database I was working on while I was learning about ajax
01:37<@mikegrb>caker: probably
01:37<cmantito>it works
01:37<cmantito>just not well ^.^
01:37<@caker>fake: ubuntu or debian (ubuntu is released every 6 months)
01:37<@caker>or thereabouts
01:37<fake>i thought it was somewhat consumer-desktop- based, no?
01:38[~]cmantito thinks linode needs an Arch image ;)
01:38<@caker>cmantito: you got it
01:38<fake>caker what do you use?:P
01:38<@mikegrb>cmantito: no but the perl module will be used by some scripts that I will distribute with the stuff that makes those web pages
01:38<@caker>fake: we're putting ubuntu on new hosts
01:38<cmantito>mikegrb: gotcha.
01:38<cmantito>caker: oh? :P
01:39<fake>ok caker. I may regret this later, but I am going to order another linode .. because I can't sleeep =/
01:39<@caker>cmantito: do you know offhand if I need both the ISOs?
01:39<cmantito>caker: no, there's a base iso which is the base install, which you install packages from the web, and a full iso which includes most of the packages.
01:39<@caker>cmantito: ok .. nabbing that one then
01:39<cmantito>mikegrb: yeah, I remember you posting that before.
01:40<cmantito>jeez, if I ordered a new linode everytime I couldn't sleep, linode'd be full forever ;)
01:40<cmantito>caker: awesome!
01:41<@mikegrb>Please use to respond to this ticket. <-- /me wonders what is so hard to understand there
01:41<cmantito>mikegrb: the "Please use to respond to this ticket." part.
01:42<@mikegrb>oh, gotcha
01:42<cmantito>Try to clear that up a bit, maybe rot13 it, and urlencode the entire sentence.
01:42<cmantito>or at least rot13 + hex.
01:42<@caker>mikegrb: when I first set that up, I struggled with the decision to make the from/reply-to email address undeliverable, or autoresponded with some instructions
01:42<@mikegrb>caker: you should make the ticket from address be the bounces@ address used for invoices and such ;)
01:42<@mikegrb>most people do that
01:43<@mikegrb>most who don't use something like RT where replies sent via email get automagically added to the ticket in the system
01:44<fake>caker wait new order soon. how sould I file for more IP's? Last time I simply requested them
01:44<@mikegrb>open a ticket requesting them
01:45<@mikegrb>and then the IP fairy raises the limit
01:46<Spads>do not be afraid, cmantito. The IP fairy will not make you gay.
01:46<cmantito>I'd like to see hir try!
01:48<cmantito>4 attempts to add this domain to my DNS, and 4 different spellings that aren't even close.
01:48[~]cmantito smacks his keyboard.
01:49<@mikegrb>the first step is admitting you have a problem
01:49[~]cmantito 's name is cmantito, and I'm an SMTP server... I mean an addict. yeah. that's it.
01:50<@mikegrb>HELO CMANTITO
01:50<@mikegrb>540 INVALID HELO
01:50<cmantito>220 - cmantito-maild
01:51<@caker>MAIL FROM:
01:51<@mikegrb>does it helo with that? you might have issues
01:51<@mikegrb>or is that just the name used in the banner
01:51<cmantito>mikegrb: that's not the HELO, that's just the banenr
01:51<cmantito>mikegrb: that's not the HELO, that's just the banner
01:51<cmantito>and I made that up just now anyway ;)
01:51<cmantito>220 ESMTP Sendmail 8.12.11/8.12.11; Tue, 14 Mar 2006 02:51:48 -0500
01:51<@mikegrb>well I asked ;)
01:52<@mikegrb>yeah, supposed to be fqdn
01:52<cmantito>THAT's the banner.
01:52[~]caker burns Arch 0.7.1-base
01:52<@mikegrb>and no cnames
01:52<cmantito>s'not a cname.
01:52<fake>only one username per linode
01:52<fake>why can't i have two
01:52<cmantito>as much as I like cname's...
01:53<@mikegrb>it's funny though, the rfc says you must have a name in your helo that is a, b, c, d and not e
01:53<@mikegrb>and they say you should validate that name on the receiving end
01:53<@mikegrb>then they say that you shouldn't reject if validation fails
01:53<cmantito>special, eh?
01:53<@mikegrb>but it is worded kind of ambigously
01:54<fake>caker: who th hell is usin name "fake"
01:54<cmantito>fake: fake.
01:54<@mikegrb>I think the point meant was, if you aren't able to validate, ie nsdomain or some such, don't reject
01:54[~]cmantito needs to learn the proper format for an RFC.
01:54<fake>should me be =/
01:56<fake>caker: order sent!
01:57<fake>can't wait
01:59<cmantito>my /etc/apache is a mess. I need to clean that up.
02:02<taupehat>cmantito: rm -rf
02:02<cmantito>taupehat: nah. I'll do that when caker finishes the Arch image, though.
02:02<cmantito>anyone know of a way to make emacs mousable?
02:02<cmantito>without x.
02:02<cmantito>ie, through ssh.
02:03<cmantito>in vi I used to be able to do `set mouse=a` or something to that effect.
02:03<@caker>mmm shiney new 500GB drives
02:03<taupehat>caker: ooh, GIMME
02:04<cmantito>bah, my vhosts.conf needs comments.
02:06<fake>caker i submitted my ubernode
02:06<cmantito>fake: wanna buy one for me?
02:06<@caker>fake: consider yourself activated -- thanks
02:06<taupehat>who wouldn't like that?
02:07<fake>you can buy my own one after i migrate
02:09<fake>hmm my new l/p pass doesnt work for control panel
02:09<cmantito>damn, no matter what I do I can't make apache config files look clean.
02:09<@caker>fake: worked for me
02:10<fake>u: fakeilya2?
02:11<@caker>pass is same as your other account but with the last two chars repeated
02:18<taupehat>ok, so like
02:18<taupehat>who's still hammering 15?
02:19<fake>not working for me =/
02:19<taupehat>Host Load: medium
02:19<taupehat>wish there were numerical output from that bit
02:19<cmantito>shit shit shit
02:19<taupehat>since "medium" is nearly all the way across
02:19[~]taupehat looks at caker
02:19<cmantito>GAH! rm /etc IS NOT GOOD
02:20<taupehat>cmantito: !!!!
02:20<cmantito>yeah, really NOT GOOD
02:20<taupehat>no shit!
02:20<cmantito>I have backups though
02:20<cmantito>and I'm still logged in as root.
02:20<cmantito>as long as Idon't log out...
02:21<cmantito>[root@dustpuppy /bigdisk/REDBARON_BACKUPS]# ls
02:21<cmantito>etc.tbz home.tbz var.tbz
02:21<cmantito>thank goodness for that
02:21<taupehat>cmantito: bookmark this:
02:21<cmantito>I was *going* for 'rm /etc/*~' but I missed.
02:22<cmantito> is better ;)
02:22<@caker>cmantito: weird, I was *just* thinking about the time I rm'ed half of host4's /etc/ .. thought I was in a different directory (working on disk image or something)
02:22<fake>strg still cajt login
02:23<taupehat>I took out /usr once
02:23<@caker>fake: what's going on?
02:23<fake>invalid pss
02:23<@caker>fake: PM?
02:23<@caker>not for the pass
02:24<fake>i have no info about the box without access
02:25<@caker>fake: get my PM?
02:25<cmantito>root@redbaron:/etc# ssh -R 222:localhost:22
02:25<cmantito>You don't exist, go away!
02:25<taupehat>damn, man
02:25<cmantito>grumble grumble.
02:27<cmantito>root@redbaron:/etc# ssh -R 222:localhost:22
02:27<cmantito>ssh: Temporary failure in name resolution
02:27<cmantito>copy and paste my password file and it's something else...
02:27[~]cmantito replaces that with an IP.
02:27<@caker>everyone congratulate fake -- he finally logged in!
02:27<cmantito>good job fake
02:27[~]cmantito shoots.
02:30<fake>sleeping pills ;)
02:32<cmantito>I. hate. ssh.
02:34<taupehat>cmantito: still b0rk3d?
02:34<cmantito>my ssh session gave out on me -_-
02:35<cmantito>got it back
02:35<@caker>cmantito: where is this to, your node?
02:35<cmantito>caker: nah, I got the connection back to my linode back.
02:35<cmantito>it was out of the linode back into my hosue that broke, but nothing an interrupt didn't fix.
02:36<@caker>I was just curious what had its /etc/ blown away
02:36<cmantito>my linode
02:36<@caker>right .. lots of options for repairing
02:36<taupehat>like was there going to be a malfunctioning host on your network, eh caker
02:36<cmantito>THANK GOD FOR WGET.
02:37<cmantito>I WIN!
02:37<cmantito>eat THAT rm!
02:38<Eman> <-- does this apply to both HE and TP?
02:38<@caker>Eman: no, just TP .. is there something you needed?
02:38<Eman>was just wondering, i used to run a torrent tracker on 6969
02:38<cmantito>that applies to TP caker?
02:38<@caker>cmantito: yes
02:39<cmantito>good to know.
02:39<cmantito>that explains why the ircd on 7000 doesn't work.
02:39[~]cmantito removes removes the iptables rule for that
02:39<@caker>that won't apply to others in your same subnet, however. If that matters
02:40<cmantito>it doesn't at the moment, but it will, actually, when I get my second linode.
02:40<@caker>man .. this is good:
02:40<@caker> True RMS current: 1.6 Amps
02:40<@caker> Maximum Detected: 2.1 Amps
02:40<@caker>^-- new AMD server
02:40<@caker>verses 2.25A RMS for the dual intel hosts that most recently went online
02:40<@caker>good stuff
02:41<cmantito>hmm...I wonder what new user I added between the backup and now...
02:41<Eman>one more question, does traffic between linodes at the same datacenter count against your monthly limit?
02:41<@caker>Eman: it does
02:41<cmantito>the only un-properly-owned directory in /home has a UID of 2007, and the last one in my passwd file is 2005.
02:41<@caker>I have a feature in the queue that will allow inter-node traffic to be excluded from network accounting, but honestly other things have priority
02:42<Eman>ok, np
02:42<@caker>that feature will tie into the account linking feature
02:42<taupehat>cmantito: you'll find out when a service won't start or someone calls you on the phone
02:42<cmantito>taupehat: more likely an SMS.
02:42<cmantito>but yeah.
02:42<taupehat>it's similar to a trick I use at work
02:43<taupehat>when I get a misbehaving host named "WIN-2898HF09" and no way can I locate it physically
02:43<cmantito>disconnect & wait for the complaint.
02:43<taupehat>I simply set the gateway to drop it and wait for the phone to ring
02:43<taupehat>"My computer can't connect to the internets!"
02:44<cmantito>there an easy way to find files with no owners?
02:44<taupehat>me: "Ok, let's see. You begged and screamed for administrative rights to this computer so you could install essential software. Like the cute bunny rabbit that hops out of the taskbar? Or how about those Outlook smileys? Essential!"
02:45<cmantito>actually, it won't matter, because eventually I'm planning to blow away this isntall of the OS and restructure the users & groups from scratch.
02:45<taupehat>I think after wiping /etc/ it's safe to say the time has come
02:45<cmantito>I'm waiting for Arch :P
02:46<@caker>cmantito: find -nouser
02:46<taupehat>find rules
02:46<@caker>man find -- it's nuts
02:47<cmantito>I've only played with it a bit.
02:47<cmantito>I usually use locate.
02:47<@caker>locate is evil, at least in our environment
02:47<@caker>speaking of ... 12 minutes to locate thrashing time
02:47<cmantito>cause of updatedb?
02:47<cmantito>I do it manually once in a while when I need it.
02:47<cmantito>I got rid of the cronjob for it.
02:48<@caker>So did we, last time you rebooted.
02:48<cmantito>oh, why thank you.
02:48<cmantito>that's the missing user!
02:49<cmantito>thanks caker.
02:50[~]cmantito sticks a stickynote to his monitor --- no more using the 'rm' command.##
02:52[~]cmantito chalks another bottle of pepsi up to his /etc
02:52<taupehat>rm is fine
02:52<taupehat>just don't use -f or -r
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02:53<cmantito>taupehat: I'm quite glad I didn't.
02:53<Eman>"rm -rf c:\program~1" i did that before :(
02:53<cmantito>cause I just finished making BIG edits to my apache configs.
02:53<taupehat>caker: on the subject of thrashing, any idea who's been doing that to host15?
02:53<Eman>native compile
02:53<cmantito>ah cool.
02:54<taupehat>Eman: bash compiled on win32?
02:54<Eman>bash is crap on windows
02:54<taupehat>all it really needs is reboot, and you can download an exe of that
02:55<taupehat>an excellent prank to pull on someone who's both levelheaded and skilled is setting initdefault:6 on their inittab
02:55<warewolf>I did that to a coworker/roommate
02:55<taupehat>(if the victim does not possess both those attributes, they'll probably replace the powersupply first)
02:55<warewolf>but I did one step better
02:55<warewolf>chattr +i /etc/inittab
02:56<cmantito>I compiled a kernel with the fonts flipped upside down, and installed it on a friends computer.
02:56<warewolf>oh, you don't know about the e2fs (I)mmutible flag? 8-)
02:56<taupehat>that's evil
02:56<taupehat>another good one is init=/bin/emacs
02:57<taupehat>cmantito: yeah
02:57<taupehat>they can't change the file
02:57<taupehat>per filesystem
02:57<cmantito>that's a good one to remember.
02:57[~]cmantito writes that down.
02:57<cmantito>I actually have a use for that.
02:57<taupehat>warewolf: can you -i it as well?
02:57<taupehat>what, booting into emacs/
02:57<cmantito>no, +i
02:59<Eman> <- they're all there if you wanna look (only nano uses cygwin)
03:02<cmantito>that should take care of my /etc now...
03:02<cmantito>oooh, shit, nope.
03:02<cmantito>oh wait.
03:03<cmantito>/etc/mail is a directory. GOOD.
03:13<linbot>New news from forums: What's the dumbest thing you've done with your linode? in /dev/random <>
03:14<cmantito>you know, you didn't have to announce that.
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03:52<cmantito>if I were to purchase a second IP for my linode, would it be in the same subnet as the original?
03:59<warewolf>maybe, maybe not.
03:59<warewolf>mine isn't
04:00<warewolf>I've got one IP strictly for IRC (to prevent people dicking around with my server) and one foreverything else
04:10[~]cmantito shrugs.
04:10<cmantito>I'm just thinking about routing rules and such.
04:26<warewolf>what distro?
04:26<warewolf>hmm actually I don't think it matters
04:27<warewolf>I think the greater majority of distros have issues if you have two default routes
04:27<warewolf>I think most of them attempt to solely use one of the two routes, and will not fail over to the other if the other continues to function
04:27<warewolf>I have this in my /etc/rc.d/rc.local
04:27<warewolf>ip route del default
04:27<warewolf>ip route del default
04:27<warewolf>ip route add default scope global nexthop dev eth0 via weight 10 nexthop dev eth0 via weight 1
04:28<warewolf>that nukes the two default routes added by my init scripts
04:28<warewolf>then adds a fail-overable default route, with one with a higher priority than the other
04:34<cmantito>I'm not too concerned about outgoing traffic, that can all take the default route.
04:35<cmantito>if I stay logged as root at this time, I'll start making stupid mistakes.
04:35<cmantito>...stupid-er mistakes.
04:35<cmantito>which given earlier, would be A Bad Thing (Tm)
04:35[~]cmantito &
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04:44<Phreakazoid>hey does anyone get these messages (errors) in dmesg output ?
04:44<Phreakazoid>Partition check:
04:44<Phreakazoid> hda: unknown partition table
04:44<Phreakazoid> hdb: unknown partition table
04:44<Phreakazoid>and also...
04:44<Phreakazoid>ubd2: Can't open "<NULL>": errno = 14
04:44<Phreakazoid>about 100 times
04:58<Ciaran_>Phreakazoid: That's odd. I don't believe I get them. *checks*
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04:58<Ciaran>Oh wait, I do get the unknown partition table ones.
04:59<Ciaran>Not the other one, though, about errno = 14.
04:59<Phreakazoid>I don't think they are fatal
04:59<Phreakazoid>just annoying
05:00<Ciaran>The unknown partition table ones are actually expected, thinking about it.
05:00<Phreakazoid>also when my linode boots up it says "Fail" next to mounting filesystems
05:00<Ciaran>Hecause they're referring to /dev/hd* devices, when UML uses /dev/ubd*
05:00<Phreakazoid>at first I thought it was because of sysfs (since I am running a 2.4 kernel)
05:00<Phreakazoid>so I commented it out of fstab
05:00<Phreakazoid>but it still said fail
05:00<Phreakazoid>just didn't have another error saying "sysfs: no such fs"
05:00<Ciaran>Maybe try comparing /etc/fstab to /etc/mtab and see which ones aren't mounted.
05:01<Ciaran>Although the swap won't show up in mtab.
05:01<Phreakazoid>swap isn't in mtab
05:01<Phreakazoid>which was expected
05:01<Phreakazoid>but everything else in fstab is there
05:02<Phreakazoid>and then there are two more in there besides the ones in fstab
05:02<Ciaran>Hmm. Odd.
05:02<Phreakazoid>devpts and tmpfs
05:02<Ciaran>Yeah, those are probably expected.
05:02<Phreakazoid>that's what I thought
05:02<Ciaran>I have them too.
05:03<Ciaran> /dev/shm is for shared memory, and /dev/pts is for active terminals, I believe.
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05:11<vodka>good afternoon...
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05:12<vodka>I just noticed my linode not starting up properly, so I went to see what was wrong... apparently, devfs is no longer in the linode kernel, is that correct?
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05:32<nikki>is there anyone around who can tell me if linode *really* charged me yearly like I suspect?
05:32<nikki>because £150 - $20 isn't under £35
05:37<vodka>$20*12=$240 = about 140
05:37<nikki>vodka: exactly
05:37<nikki>but I'm supposed to be paying monthy
05:37<nikki>monthly, even
05:38<vodka>caker? mikegrb?
05:39[~]nikki is nothing but trouble, it seems ;)
05:39<vodka>I'd make a support ticket if I were you, then you're sure they see it
05:40<vodka>I don't know what time it is there, but since it's dead quiet on the channel, I'd guess their working day hasn't started yet
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06:06<linbot>New news from forums: FTP Permission Denied in Linux Networking <>
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07:25<linbot>New news from forums: Is Linode 80 for me? in Sales Questions and Answers <>
07:44<encode>anyone around?
07:44<encode>i've just done a ubuntu server install on a box at home, going to use openbox
07:44<encode>i installed openbox (apt-ge tinstll openbox)
07:44<encode>but what else do i need to install to get it to run?
07:46<encode>i need to install X dont i?
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07:53<afv-13>encode: was xorg not a dependancy of openbox?
07:54<encode>no, strangely enough
07:54<afv-13>maybe it can be run off the framebuffer
07:55<encode>well when i try and execute it without xorg installed, it wont run
07:55<encode>something about cant connect to display
07:55<encode>"Failed to open the display."
07:56<afv-13>are you sure xorg isn't installed?
07:56<encode>yes, because i just ran apt-get install xserver-xorg
07:56<encode>to install everything
07:56<encode>so it wasnt there when i tried before
07:56<afv-13>ic, after that you just need to run through a xorgcfg
07:58<encode>i dont have any binaries in my search path beginning with xory
07:58<encode>also when i run startx (just installed xinit) i get "Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed'"
07:58<afv-13>i think
08:01<encode>lol, theres broken sym links all over the place for X
08:01<encode>the only think in the /usr/X11R6/bin folder is a broken symlink for X
08:02<encode>i think something is very broken
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08:02<afv-13>updatedb && locate xorgcfg
08:03<encode>nope, not there
08:03<encode>i must be missing something
08:04[~]encode installs gdm in the hope it will make thinkgs better
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09:13<linbot>New news from forums: Linode as an Alternate DNS Root in Linux Networking <>
09:20<kvandivo>dilbert rocks today
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10:35<fake>hahah apparently i was drunk last night and ordered a new linode
10:36<Spads>you're living the dream
10:36<fake>haha i remember that
10:36<fake>jeez i'm embarassed but also feel good that i can afford things like that
10:37<kvandivo>given enough time you inevitably won't be able to afford things like that
10:37<Spads>23:39 <fake> ok caker. I may regret this later, but I am going to order another linode .. because I can't sleeep =/
10:37<fake>i just looked at my logs too
10:37<fake>very embarassing
10:37<fake>i couldn't sleep all night for some reason
10:38<fake>oh well maybe i should migrate my stuff to the new linode
10:39<@caker>fake: How's the head feeling today?
10:39<fake>oh man don't you feel bad taking money from a drunk guy
10:39<Spads><fake> I DON'T NEED YOUR PITY!!!!
10:40<kvandivo>i'm sure he feels at least as bad as your average bartender
10:40<@caker>How do I know you're not drunk right now, hmm?
10:40<@caker>how do you know I'm not? :)
10:40<Spads>tomorrow he'll be all in here going "Man, I was so drunk yesterday that I cancelled my biznaz critical linode with all its crucial important data!"
10:40<fake>nah i don't even use linode for anything super important
10:40<fake>which makes it a little funnier
10:41<@caker>the best is my transcript with him about his password :)
10:41<@caker>it's a keeper
10:41[~]caker comforts fake
10:41<fake>caker why do you keep passwords in plaintedxt
10:41<fake>text rather
10:41<@caker>fake: I decrypt them in my head
10:43<fake>Why does my 320 have 175gb transfer, not 200?
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10:43<kvandivo>drunk tax
10:43<fake>drunk tax is the logs from last night
10:45<@caker>fake: fixed
10:46<fake>still 175 under "network summary" bar but 200 in the upgrades area
10:46<@caker>fake: yeah, relogin it'll show it correctly
10:47<fake>oh god the logs -- so embarassing.
10:48<@caker>"Linode -- tastes great, less filling"
10:48<@caker>hmm ..
10:48[~]caker considers new marketing ploy for drunkards
10:49<fake>whoa 6gb free
10:49<fake>why =/
10:52<fake>now to decide which distro although i think i asked last night
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11:32<fake>hmm, in terms of hobby servers, does ubuntu have any advantage over debian
11:32<Spads>quick release cycle
11:32<Spads>every six months they push out a new stable and supported release
11:33<Spads>so it's like debian testing without the weird holdbacks
11:33<fake>well i had planned to use unstable
11:34<Spads>I used to use unstable
11:34<Spads>but I also used to hang out in the debian developer IRC channel
11:34<Spads>and about every six months you'd see the topic switched to "OMFG NOBODY UPGRADE"
11:34<fake>ubuntu 5.10 doesn't even have lighttpd =/
11:34<Spads>it so does
11:35<Spads>Package: lighttpd
11:35<Spads>Priority: optional
11:35<Spads>Section: universe/web
11:35<Spads>it's in universe
11:35<Spads>you need to add the universe repository
11:35<fake>isn't universe equivalent to unstable?
11:35<Spads>it's not equivalent to anything in debian
11:35<Spads>it's basically all the packages that don't go on the CD-ROM
11:36<fake>I only see it in dapper
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11:37<fake>I need to read up on how ubuntu does its versioning/packaging
11:37<Spads>I'm running dapper
11:38<fake>I'm used to gentoo =/
11:38<Spads>dapper will be released in a month, so it's pretty stable now
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11:39<fake>seems ubuntu is pretty desktop-centric
11:40<Spads>the desktop version is
11:40<Spads>I'd hope that caker used the ubuntu server for the 5.10 image
11:41<fake>yeah the installed packages are pretty minimal
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11:44<fake>so, any other real differences, besides shorter release cycles?
11:45<@caker>that kinda implies more modern versions of apps, too
11:45<@caker>which is a big win
11:46<fake>i love portage, just .. not compiling
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11:47<Spads>heh yeah
11:47<@caker>isn't there a binary repo for gentoo?
11:48<Spads>the gentoo image for linode should be set to use it by default :)
11:48<@caker>ok .. it seems any Dapper 2.6.15 kernel refuses to even decompress after grub
11:49<@caker>there's a bug for it, but it was rejected (BS)
11:49<Spads>"normal mode"?
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11:49<fake>caker, you said you're moving hosts to ubuntu?
11:49<@caker>fake: yes
11:50<@caker>ancient minimal RH9 install
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12:00<kvandivo>buh bye, linny
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12:07<@caker>fo0bar: more impressed with Finnix each time I use it
12:07<@caker>fo0bar: nice work
12:08<cmantito>woot, no SMSs. That backup was recent enough then.
12:18<linbot>New news from forums: Anyone played with VServer kernels at all? in General Discussion <>
12:19<@mikegrb>cmantito: #vserver on this network ;)
12:20<cmantito>well smack me with the pointy end of a rake.
12:20<cmantito>on second thoguht, don't.
12:20[~]mikegrb sma
12:20<@mikegrb>oh :<
12:21<cmantito>I gotta wipe clean one of my spare boxes and set it up, they're something I've been meaning to play with for a while.
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12:32<fake>i already like ubuntu more than gentoo
12:32<fake>although gentoo has more colors ;p
12:34<Spads>I like the bronze look
12:34<Spads>but you can *change* that you know
12:34<Spads>I mean, distributions are *configurable*
12:34<fake>bronze look?
12:34<Spads>everything is coppertoned
12:34<fake>I have white on black text :)
12:34<Spads>as do I!
12:34<Spads>well, grey really
12:35<Spads>^-- my prompt
12:35<Spads>then I set like PROMPTCOLOR=34
12:35<Spads>and it's blue
12:35<Spads>or 32 fo rgreen etc
12:35<cmantito>[\u@\h \w]\$
12:35<Spads>how retro
12:37<Spads>also fun
12:37<Spads>fg/bg both
12:38<Spads>45 also isn't bad
12:39<fo0bar>caker: :)
12:40<fake>hmm, how do you make apt-get install suggested packages automatically
12:40<Spads>use aptitude
12:40<Spads>sudo aptitude install <foo>
12:40<Spads>it's a drop-in replacement for apt-get that grabs recommended by default
12:40<Spads>I odn't know that anything does suggested by default
12:55<Spads>yeah, jwz had that up like a year ago
12:56<@caker>fo0bar: anything (not so obvious) that I'm missing for getting networking up on finnix besides ifconfiging and adding a route?
12:56<@mikegrb>caker: have to turn it on first, that's what always gets me
12:58<@caker>mikegrb: will you fix my printer?
12:58<@caker>hmm .. ok first problem .. eth devices are reversed
12:59<@caker>second problem, it came up in half duplex .. that might be the issue
12:59<@caker>tg3: eth1: Link is up at 100 Mbps, half duplex.
12:59<@caker>tg3: eth1: Flow control is off for TX and off for RX.
13:02<bendy24>good job
13:02<@caker>still not werkin... hmm
13:09<@mikegrb>caker: you have to plug in the ethernet cable, my printer doesn't work when the ethernet cable isn't plugged in
13:11<tsi>host42 griiinnnndddddinggg
13:11<tsi>better now, whoever was swapping appears to have stopped
13:15<@mikegrb>silly tsi
13:15<@mikegrb>your io_rate was running around 2k
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13:51<fake>caker: you there
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13:52<@caker>fake: yup
13:53<fake>gonna ask you to cancel my old linode in a sec
13:53<Spads><fake> I've got a fifth of bourbon that says you'll be upgrading my new linode tonight!
13:53<@caker>fake: you'll need to do it under "My Account"
13:53<fake>oh, alright.
13:53<fake>Spads: no where to upgrade! already at the highest
13:54<Spads>you can always tack on ram or disk space
13:54<@caker>I think he did already
13:54<Spads>haha nice!
13:54<fake>I added ram
13:54<fake>Don't need disk
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14:08<Spads>more fakery
14:12<fake_>I wonder why the other fake is still around, I killed that linode
14:13<Spads>ghost him
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14:15<kvandivo>amazing that demi moore was once as young as she was Ghost..
14:15<kvandivo>was in* Ghost
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14:31<@caker>heh .. taupehat's been complaing about thrashers .. now he's thrashing
14:32[~]cmantito needs to find cheap rackspace in a UK datacentre...
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15:09<taupehat_>uhh, what's happening to host15?
15:10<@caker>taupehat_: your node is thrashing hard
15:11<taupehat_>yeah I guess so
15:11<taupehat_>I'm trhing to figure out why now
15:11[~]taupehat_ is on lish
15:11<taupehat_>dang it
15:11<taupehat_>these iptables messages logging to console are making this difficult
15:11<@caker>bring networking down?
15:12<taupehat_>I can't get a password prompt
15:12<Spads>that'd be a great thing to be able to do from list
15:12<taupehat_>I think it's bounce time
15:12<Spads>just pull the network cable out
15:12<@caker>taupehat_: one sec, ok?
15:12<taupehat_>can you tell me what's run away?
15:12<@caker>I'll crank up your tokens so you can login
15:13<@caker>taupehat_: try now
15:13<taupehat_>no login prompt
15:13<@caker>taupehat_: might I suggest a quick top, followed my M
15:13<taupehat_>yeah I want to do that
15:13<taupehat_>but it's thrashed
15:13<@caker>taupehat_: hit return a few
15:13<taupehat_>nothing happens
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15:15<taupehat_>forget this - I'm rebooting. I'll watch the machine after it comes backup
15:17<taupehat_>getting a lot of fishy traffic from the look of the logging being dumpted to console here
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15:22<taupehat>well, that was fun
15:23[~]taupehat will watch carefully to see what ran off
15:28<@caker>man .. I forgot that HE charges for backrails in their cabinets
15:28<@caker>what use is a cabinet without both rails?
15:28<Spads>telecomm maybe
15:28[~]taupehat sure wishes he had been able to find out what his node just choked on
15:29<@caker>taupehat: I noticed you have three apahce versions running?
15:29<@caker>taupehat: I'd look there first
15:29<Spads>taupehat: it probably binged on meth
15:29<Spads>okay, laundry time
15:31<efudd>Gmail is temporarily unavailable. Cross your fingers and try again in a few minutes. We're sorry for the inconvenience.
15:31[~]efudd ponders
15:33<bendy24>efudd: chuck norris roubd house kicked the servers
15:35<@caker>The chief export of Chuck Norris is pain.
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15:57<kvandivo>There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of animals Chuck Norris allows to live.
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17:39<linbot>New news from forums: (Slightly) open relay in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
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18:56<linbot>New news from forums: Switch from Debian 3.1 to Ubuntu 5.10? in General Discussion <>
18:58<gpd>just change /etc/apt/sources.list and cross your fingers ^^
18:59[~]mikegrb crosses gpd's fingers
18:59[~]gpd lets off a cross one
18:59<@mikegrb>mmm dinner
19:06<gpd>the main problem with ^^ is that breezy wants to install a bunch of X crap
19:06<gpd>and there doesn't seem to be a setting for 'act like a server'
19:06<@caker>gpd: you sure?
19:07<gpd>despite the fact that they have 'ubuntu server'
19:07<gpd>it certainly does if you do U in aptitude
19:07<gpd>let me check with plain old apt-get
19:09<gpd>yup... whole bunch of x stuff... 160MB
19:14<@caker>I'll give it a shot on a test node
19:14<@caker>gpd: mind feeding me the sources for ubuntu if you have em handy?
19:17<@caker>nm, got em
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19:18<taupehat>I've got no idea what thrashed earlier today
19:18<taupehat>have been monitoring closely
19:18<taupehat>and I'm still sitting at 10M free ram, 9M swap used
19:18<@caker>taupehat: I think it's time we sched a kernel upgrade for host15
19:18<@caker>I need to do one for host55, anyway
19:18<warewolf>holy shit
19:19<warewolf>removing spamassassin from the mix (and probally turning off IRC logging) made a drastic improovement on my io rate
19:19<taupehat>caker: I'm assuming for the host eh? My node is 2.6.15
19:19<taupehat>warewolf: yeah, I dumped SA a while back. Replaced with postgrey and never looked back =]
19:19<@caker>taupehat: yeah .. the version of cfq currently running is sub-optimal
19:20<warewolf>completely fair queueing
19:20<taupehat>oh ah
19:20<warewolf>diso io scheduler
19:20<warewolf>disk even
19:20<@caker>yeah .. this version doesn't have the timesharing goodness
19:20<warewolf>IIRC it was written by kolivas
19:20<@caker>new cfq is really impressive
19:20<taupehat>well, if you need to do it, do it
19:20<taupehat>not like I'm going to lose killer uptime or something
19:21<taupehat>(but I'm merely one node on that host, heh)
19:21<@caker>warewolf: no, Jens Axboe .. just tested in -ck
19:21<warewolf>oh, I stand corrected
19:21<@caker>yeah, looks like 15 crapped out a week ago .. should have been done then, but I usually handle/take blame for kernel upgrades so Mike probably just had it rebooted to get it back ASAP
19:22<taupehat>you were busy at the time
19:22<taupehat>btw, are you pausing the host here and now?
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19:23<@caker>it's just loaded
19:23<@caker>I'm monitoring it still
19:23<taupehat>not me this time!
19:24<warewolf>mmm... chocolate covered coffee beans
19:24[~]warewolf crunches away
19:24[~]taupehat thinks "loaded" is the operative word and wanders off to the six-pack store
19:24<warewolf>these are white chocolate, not regular chocolate though :(
19:32[~]caker switches host15 to anticipatory
19:38<gpd> <<-- sarge->breezy
19:38[~]gpd awaits hax0rz
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19:45<@caker>gpd: odd .. I just deployed debian 3.1, updated/upgraded, installed mysql/apache, a few other things, changed sources.list and:
19:45[~]caker goes for it
19:46<warewolf>NO WAIT DON'T
19:46<@caker>too late
19:47<warewolf>Welcome to UBUNTU!
19:47<warewolf>Where would you like to go today?
19:47<bendy24>omg it happened
19:47[~]caker surfs some ubuntu pr0n
19:51[~]bendy24 unzips his pants
19:51<warewolf>no sausages please.
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19:56<myfnp>hey can you create a image that httpd and mysql start at boot for me??
19:57<myfnp>once i copy some files real quick?
19:59<@caker>myfnp: which distro?
20:00<myfnp>redhat small
20:00<@caker>under your account, you mean? .. Sure, just let me know
20:00<myfnp>about 5 mins
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20:10<myfnp>caker, ok img sz 4352
20:14<@caker>ok, working...
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20:22<taupehat>so it couldn't be helped
20:22<taupehat>I bought a copy of Weekly World News while I was at the store.
20:23<Eman>anything worth noting in it?
20:23<taupehat>it's office wallart-worthy
20:24<taupehat>with a picture of some lady sneezing on the keys of her optiplex
20:25<taupehat>right beside it is a headline asserting that there are new bar glasses that help you see straight when you're drunk
20:25<taupehat>man, if only
20:25<KENTA>Hello all, I'm brand spanking new so go ahead and chastise me for asking stupid questions beforehand.
20:26<bendy24>a NEWB!
20:26[~]bendy24 jumps behind taupehat
20:28<Eman>ive got an old 386 laptop that has a serial port, how hard would it be to setup a linux machine to have its console to com1?
20:28<bendy24>not hard at all
20:29<taupehat>you get servers from sun, they're set that way by default
20:29<taupehat>bloody frustrating, that
20:31<Eman>so would it involve compiling a special kernel?
20:34<FireSlash>Eman, Its not a Toshiba T series, by chance, is it?
20:34<Eman>AST power exec
20:35<FireSlash>Ah. I just finally had to pitch my old T2200SX :(
20:35<FireSlash>HDD died, and the BIOS is keyed to the HDD model number.
20:35<Eman>orange plasma screen?
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20:38<myfnp>caker, no mysql on 2nd boot
20:38<Eman>this is what ive got, nice little beast tho
20:39<@caker>myfnp: Starting MySQL: [ OK ]
20:39<myfnp>i dont see it running
20:39<@caker>myfnp: try the usual .. /etc/init.d/mysql restart
20:39<@caker>myfnp: go from there ..
20:41<gpd>caker: I have imagemagick and php-gd - which depend on xfree86-common in sarge
20:42<myfnp>it said OK buts it not running
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20:44<myfnp>caker, did you get that?
20:48<KENTA>Silly Question #1: I'm looking at the wiki for Slackware and it seems easy to follow. All I want to do is set up one site that requires php, mysql. Will following that get me there?
20:48<gpd>KENTA: slackware isn't the easiest of the distributions if you are not familiar with Linux
20:49<Eman>oh nice, i forgot the laptop is a 486 :D
20:50<chapterthree>wow, how long does a disk resize normally take? i'm at 15 minutes and counting
20:50<Eman>maybe some damn small linux on the laptop
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20:54<chapterthree>there we go, apparently 18 minutes :)
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21:03<myfnp>caker, think i might got it
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21:20[~]gpd contemplates the switch to breezy...
21:26<gpd>caker: how did your test go?
21:28<@caker>gpd: looks like it worked
21:36<warewolf>I think I need to start graphing load average too
21:36<warewolf>'cause load average v.s. real CPU utilization is a good comparision
21:36<warewolf>also need to get dspam working :(
21:36<warewolf>I hope to god it sucks up less memory than spamassassin
21:44<gpd>rm: cannot remove directory `/finix/var/lock': Device or resource busy
21:45<gpd>nothing in lsof that would suggest why?
21:52<warewolf>fuser -m /path/to/that/mountpoint
21:52<warewolf>it might be a mountpoint, which is why it could be lockeed
21:54<gpd>fuser? and it isn't a mount point - but it is on a mounted partition - which can also not be umounted atm
21:56<gpd>gpd@www:~$ fuser -m /finix/var/lock/
21:56<warewolf>I think lockd plays in there
21:57<gpd>but it isn't /var/lock... but /finix/var/lock ? (yes it should be finnix)
21:57<warewolf>pastebin the output of mount
21:58<warewolf>pastebin the contents of /proc/mounts
21:58<gpd>ahhhh.... varrun /finix/var/run tmpfs rw 0 0
21:58<gpd>you sir... are a legend...
21:58<gpd>where did that come from?
21:59<warewolf>I don't use finnix. I use linux. This is sort of stuff comes from being burned once or twice before 8-)
21:59<gpd>finnix is not running - this is Linux.. with a finnix partition
21:59<gpd>i don't think i have ever even booted the finnix partition
22:02<gpd>ok - fab - with those unmounted all is good... now to backup to that partition and prepare for ubuntification
22:03<gpd>what is the preferred way to copy a / filesystem? tar with p - or cp -a (heavy load?)... or other method (rsync?)
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22:13<gpd>seems to be a bunch of stuff in /sys that I can't copy... ? uml stuff?
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22:21<warewolf>/sys is like /proc
22:21<warewolf>it's a virtual filesystem
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22:54<Eman>damn small linux has taken 10 minutes to boot on my 486
22:54<Eman>and it aint finished yet
22:56<gpd>warewolf: thanks - I am clearly losing it
22:56<warewolf>it's ok
22:56<warewolf>we all do at some point
22:57<gpd>also cp -a isn't working too well---the dirs are bigger in the copied version - any better suggestions?
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23:10<Eman>i should probably know this, but how do i change what runlevel the machine boots in?
23:10<gpd>edit /etc/inittab
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23:17<Eman>now to get rid of X
23:21<Eman>200meg harddrive and i have 50 free :(
23:21<gpd>Eman: what is this machine going to do for you?
23:23<gpd>so i have 672000 Used on / and 672620 available on /backup ... but it doesn't fit?
23:24<gpd>i suppose it is a bit tight :P
23:41<Eman>either ive fucked something up, or i have no processes running
23:42<Eman>i think the first
23:42<gpd>well i certainly fucked it up big time... removed apache1 to free up space... it deleted all my old logs in /var/log/apache :/
23:43<gpd>what makes you think you have no processes?
23:44<Eman>ps just gives the headers line and quits
23:44<gpd>what about /proc ?
23:45<gpd>or sudo ps auxfw | less -S
23:45<Eman>oh i know what i did
23:46<Eman>i killed the knoppix autoconfig script (dsl uses it)
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23:59<fake_>whoa, weird
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