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---Logopened Tue Mar 28 00:00:11 2006
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00:00<warewolf>caker- so do or don't you compress the disk images when you transfer them?
00:02<@caker>warewolf: I used to use a ssh -C somethingorther, but it looks like I removed it when I implemented LVM-enabled migrations
00:02<efudd>gzip -9 /u/warewolf/root.img | telnet -8 | gzip -d > /u/warewolf/roo.img
00:02<@caker>it never did shit anyway
00:03<efudd>Hmm. I'm thinking that I would pre-compress using CPU on the host, then ssh without -C ...
00:03<@caker>more disk IO .. not
00:03<efudd>ah well. 1am. later.
00:03<warewolf>well since you're shipping over the internet, and not over a local network, you're probally network bound and not CPU bound
00:03<warewolf>efudd- g'night
00:04[~]warewolf "archives" old mail
00:05<warewolf>maildir is such an awesome mail store format
00:05<Spads>Yes it is.
00:07<TheFirst>mail...what a headache to setup, what a treat when it finally just works
00:08<warewolf>wow that was easy
00:08<warewolf>find Maildir -mtime +320 > archive_list.txt
00:08<warewolf>tar -jcvf mail_archive.tar.bz2 -T archive_list.txt
00:09<warewolf>I'd like to see Outlook archive all folders older than 320 days that easially
00:14<@caker>yay .. lish users now show in w
00:16<warewolf>#$ find Maildir -type f -mtime +240 -exec rm {} \;
00:16<@caker>sweet .. 9 xenodes
00:16<@caker>...who've migrated and are running thus far
00:19<warewolf>I so love dovecot too
00:19<warewolf>because me toasting the indexes and mail out from underneith it does NOTHING TO IT
00:19<warewolf>it's like "Oh, you did that? ok, lemme recover."
00:25<warewolf>Linux really has come a long way.
00:25<warewolf>I just finished installing RHEL4 on a HP box
00:26<warewolf>on the first boot, RHEL gives you the option of installing extra CDs
00:26<warewolf>so on a whim I inserted the SmartStart disc and told it "Go!"
00:26<warewolf>it worked
00:26<warewolf>it detected shit that could be installed on the CD
00:26<warewolf>(vendor support)++
00:27<TheFirst>caker: just gotta keep rubbin' in the xen dontcha....sleep with one eye open i tell ya ;P
00:28<encode>now if only i could figure out why linux is having issues with the onboard nic on this old ibm pc300
00:31<TheFirst>heh i got one of those problems with usb on my one linux box...i'm choosing to ignore it
00:33<encode>i prefer not to use a pci nic, but it looks like i have no choice :S
00:34<encode>it wont even work with finix!
00:39<TheFirst>heh i'm in the sitch where the manufacturer says "it is supported in linux" where everything else says no
00:51<linbot>New news from forums: system clock problems? in Xen Public Beta <>
00:57<linbot>New news from forums: iptables in Xen Public Beta <>
01:48<warewolf>I hope these posts in the public xen beta forum are not signs of problems
02:00<@caker>warewolf: they're both resolved already
02:01<@caker>one I expected: not getting all the useful kernel options; the other was that the host wasn't running ntpd
02:01<encode>caker: when you compile kernels, have you ever had an issue compiling the zd1211 driver?
02:02<Spads>boy, newsbruiser URLs are just *ugly* sometimes
02:02<@caker>encode: I don'tt even know what device that is, so I guess not
02:02<encode>im running dapper 6.04 at home, with kernel, i downloaded the kernel source from apt, attempted to compile it, and the compile errored out on that driver
02:02<encode>oh well
02:02<encode>i just replaced the Makefile with an empty file, and managed to continue compiling
02:03<encode>im just a bit worried, since i tried compiling just the network drivers, which is what i want to play around with, and i couldnt load the resulting .ko - i got an error about it not being a valid module
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02:14<marc_in_lux_>mikegrb: are you there?
02:17<warewolf>caker is/was
02:17<warewolf>about 17 minutes ago
02:17[~]cmantito is bored.
02:18<encode>cmantito: is busily waiting
02:18<encode>brain - keyboard malfunction
02:18<@mikegrb>mmm cake
02:18[~]encode is busily waiting*
02:18<marc_in_lux_>mikegrb: just wanted to enquire about my xen migration
02:18<marc_in_lux_>did you configure the downgrade from 160 to 120 with it?
02:18<cmantito>is mikegrb scripted?
02:19<cmantito>that is quite hilarious.
02:19<encode>those 3 expressions are scripted
02:19<@mikegrb>mmm cake
02:19<cmantito>if everybody says lol at the same time, we can get him a sendq so high... >.<
02:19<Spads>he throttles
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02:20<@mikegrb>mmm cake
02:20<@mikegrb>mmm cake
02:20<@mikegrb>mmm cake
02:20<Spads>rofl cake
02:20<Spads>cake rofl
02:20<@mikegrb>mmm cake
02:20[~]cmantito is too, as he said
02:21|-|mode/#linode [+b *!*crack@*] by mikegrb
02:21<encode>someone will get very pissed off soon
02:21|-|Spads kicked [#linode] mikegrb [Spads]
02:21[~]cmantito ducks
02:21|-|mode/#linode [+b *!*gphreak@*] by mikegrb
02:21|-|cmantito kicked [#linode] mikegrb [cmantito]
02:21|-|mode/#linode [-b *!*crack@*] by mikegrb
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02:22<encode>well that was pointless
02:22<cmantito>how entertaining.
02:22|-|mode/#linode [-b *!*gphreak@*] by mikegrb
02:22<cmantito>thank you
02:23[~]cmantito is one of those people who should not be allowed to get bored.
02:23<taupehat>I'm just going slowly insane
02:23<cmantito>this morning I got bored and took my ibook's keyboard apart.
02:23<taupehat>moving sucks
02:23<cmantito>it's not going back together.
02:24<cmantito>moving is good. I can't wait to move. Only a couple weeks now.
02:24<cmantito>I have *got* to get out of here.
02:24<taupehat>everything hurts, and I just now got my dsl going, only I forgot my damn ethernet cables, so I'm using the crappy one qwest sent me with the modem and only one computer
02:24<taupehat>but tomorrow I get the warsher and dryer and dishwarsher
02:25<cmantito>heh. cool. where'd you move to?
02:25<taupehat>from one town to another =P
02:25<cmantito>imagine that...
02:25<taupehat>cutting about 40 minutes off my commute
02:25[~]cmantito is gearing up for a move to Britain.
02:25<taupehat>and about 150 bucks off my gas bill
02:25<taupehat>dude, that's different
02:25<taupehat>you're not moving - you're emmigrating
02:25<taupehat>blast it
02:25[~]taupehat would if he could
02:26<cmantito>I only have a 6 month work permit at the moment (well, will receive this week)
02:26<encode>"Building modules, stage 2." yay
02:26<cmantito>I really really desperately need to get a permenant one.
02:26<taupehat>oy vey
02:27<taupehat>flat pack furniture: assembled
02:27<taupehat>couches: in place
02:27<taupehat>kitchen: needs everything
02:27<taupehat>bathroom: works
02:27<taupehat>bed: works
02:27<taupehat>particularly that last... gnight
02:27<cmantito>good luck getting settled.
02:29<warewolf>jesus crist
02:30<warewolf>that was totally unnecessary
02:31<warewolf>(the people abusing mikegrb's auto-response)
02:31<cmantito>yea, it really was. but I must admit, it did cure my borededness briefly.
02:34<Spads>I turned out to be wrong
02:34<Spads>I thought I saw someone hit the lol-ignore after like three
02:36<@caker>cmantito: whassa matter, you don't like NJ?
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02:37<cmantito>caker: hell effing no ;)
02:37<cmantito>I _HATE_ nj.
02:37<@caker><-- jersey boy
02:37<cmantito>really? what part?
02:38<@caker>LBI area (specifically, Manahawkin)... exit 63
02:38<@caker><-- ex beach bum
02:38<cmantito>ah cool. Medford, Burlington County.
02:38<cmantito>it _sucks_.
02:38<@caker>yeah, two different states, IMO
02:38<cmantito>but then, I'd be lying if I said I liked living in the US in general ;)
02:39<@caker>get lots of coats, do ya? :)
02:39<@caker>cmantito: you a US native or what?
02:39<@caker>Burlington Coat Factory Outlet <-- endless commercials
02:39[~]cmantito doesn't watch much TV...just Stargate
02:40<cmantito>yeah, born in NJ, lived here......forever
02:40<@caker>why Britain?
02:40<cmantito>Best friends live out there, been out there a few times. Really nice.
02:40<cmantito>I'd also like to hit NZ at some point too.
02:40<@caker>my cuz is out there
02:40<cmantito>I just want to do some travelling, and that's a good base.
02:40<cmantito>and like I said, convenient, I've got good friends there.
02:41[~]cmantito points at macdan.
02:42<cmantito>should be interesting. getting my work permit this week, sending out my CV to a bunch of jobs. finishing my classes early so I don't have to wait til the semester ends and getting on the first possible flight I can. I'm just a couple hundred dollars short at this point.
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02:58<fo0bar> <-- Coming Soon: Surprise
02:58<fo0bar>cmantito: BTW, I didn't forget about your CD. I screwed up the drying process, and had to re-do the CDs.
02:59<cmantito>fo0bar: no biggie, I shouldn't need to recover a system until this box shits doesn't sync it's filesystem again
02:59<cmantito>and then not even a livecd will save it -_-
03:00<cmantito>because mr rubber mallet and mr. hard disk will be forced to make love. -.-
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03:00<ttyp0>hi there
03:00<ttyp0>is there any linode operator here?
03:01<@caker>ttyp0: hello
03:01<ttyp0>hi there caker
03:01<ttyp0>are you a linode operator?
03:01<cmantito>fo0bar: I had done about 24 hours of scripting and compiling and stuff under a UML kernel, not counting breaks, and I rebooted to test my RC scripts. It shutdown and started up fine and what do I find? The FS reverted to the last time I rebooted! Scripts be gone >.<
03:02<ttyp0>i'm having troubles after registering my Plan 80
03:02<cmantito>if it happens again, *NO* livecd will save that computer. >:)
03:02<@caker>ttyp0: Yes, I saw that in your email. Thanks for bringing that to my attention
03:02<@caker>ttyp0: I went ahead and voided the transaction against your credit card
03:03<ttyp0>okay, so did you get paid?
03:03<@caker>ttyp0: you may use the signup system again if you wish to signup (the bug was fixed)
03:03<ttyp0>i mean
03:03<ttyp0>is it okay?
03:03<ttyp0>the transaction?
03:03<ttyp0>ah ok ok
03:03<ttyp0>ok lots of thanks
03:03<@caker>thank you!
03:03<ttyp0>caker: one more thing
03:04<ttyp0>is it possible to make an VPS with FreeBSD installed?
03:04<@caker>ttyp0: no, Linux only
03:04<ttyp0>ok no prob
03:04<ttyp0>i need it for building a secondary DNS
03:05<ttyp0>it's root access, isn't it? i mean, i'll be able to install a Bind9 dns server
03:05<@caker>you can install whatever you want -- just like on any other Linux box
03:05<encode>except for kernel modules
03:05<ttyp0>okay so it's perfect for me
03:05<ttyp0>encode: only need a secondary dns server :-)
03:06<cmantito>grr... I love this song, but it's 4 in the morning and I can't make it loud :(
03:08<cmantito>hmm...headphones...stereo would be nice, but loudness is more important
03:08<Redgore>get a nice set of headphones
03:08<Redgore>my headphones are better than my speakers :P
03:09<cmantito>Redgore: I'm playing it through my USB iChat/Skype headset.
03:09<cmantito>one earphone though.
03:10<cmantito>gah, I must have earphones here somewhere.
03:10[~]cmantito goes earphone hunting...
03:12<cmantito>that was useless
03:12<Redgore>you want a nice set of full headphones with 40mm drive unit
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03:13[~]caker cranks Radiohead - Go To Sleep
03:13[~]cmantito is listening to: Within Temptation - Pale
03:14<Redgore>np: Bon Jovie - Living On A Prayer (0:05 / 4:10)
03:15<cmantito><3 within temptation :)
03:15<Redgore>within temptation are a good band
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04:03[~]gpd completes F.E.A.R. - goes to bed with mild ptsd
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04:36<fo0bar> <-- woo
04:40<encode>fo0bar: i used finnix this week
04:40<encode>it worked well
04:40<encode>was doing a badblocks test on a 300GB hdd - took forever :S (well, 18 hours or so)
04:42<@caker>fo0bar: what's the surprise?
04:42<@caker>I want to know NOW
04:43<warewolf>03:58 < fo0bar> <-- Coming Soon: Surprise
04:44<fo0bar>encode: if it was IDE, most likely DMA was not on. The upcoming 87.0 release has better DMA support (if you boot "finnix dma"), which should drastically increase speed
04:44<fo0bar>caker: the surprise is you will be surprised in a few days!
04:44<encode>fo0bar: it wouldnt matter, since it was over firewire anyway
04:45<fo0bar>encode: oh yeah, dma wouldn't have been available then
04:45<warewolf>caker- *ahem* (whispering) .. chris .. (getting louder) just what (normal speaking volume) in the hell (shouting) ARE YOU (absolutely SCREAMING) DOING AWAKE AT THIS HOUR?!
04:45<fo0bar>caker is now operating on UTC time
04:45<warewolf>more like LTC
04:46<@caker>can't sleep... I skipped on my sleeping pills this evening
04:46<warewolf>Linode Time
04:46<@caker>this is the result
04:46<warewolf>sleeping pills?
04:46<warewolf>you really take sleeping pills?
04:46<@caker>something new for this week, yeah
04:46<warewolf>those are habit forming
04:46<@caker>not the ones I have
04:46[~]caker shakes
04:46<warewolf>no side effects either, right?
04:46<@caker>anyway, it's been an exciting week
04:46<@caker>I dunno
04:46[~]warewolf shakes
04:47<warewolf>damn, your shake side-effect has traversed across the internet to me!
04:47<@caker>Diphenhydramine Hydrochloride <-- good stuff
04:48<encode>caker: do you suffer from insomnia?
04:48<@caker>encode: no
04:48<@caker>I've never
04:48<encode>but i dont take sleeping pills either
04:49<encode>i figured mainly people with insomnia would take sleeping pills, obviously i was mistaken
04:50<@caker>I think insomnia is much much worse than not having a 9-5 job and kids and a set schedule to keep you regular
04:50<encode>i imagine it would be
04:51<encode>i guess a 9-5 job and living at home with parents and siblings is a good way to keep sleep cycles relatively regular
04:51<encode>i dont tend to have trouble sleeping
04:51[~]encode <3 16x dvd-r
05:02<linbot>New news from forums: openvpn in Xen Public Beta <>
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09:19<linbot>New news from forums: Using IPTables? in Linux Networking <>
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10:49<linbot>New news from forums: Xen Update - 2006/03/23 in Xen Public Beta <>
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11:17<marc_in_lux>mikegrb, are you around?
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12:07<linbot>New news from forums: Sticky: Note! RateMyLinode does not work under Xen yet! in Xen Public Beta <>
12:09<warewolf>thanks caker
12:09[~]warewolf edited old post to point to Xen post
12:10<warewolf>and now that I've officially put in 15 hours of work today
12:10<warewolf>sleep time.
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12:25<amcnabb>My linode seems to have a real high load average right now even though it's not doing much (this happens every once in a while)
12:26<amcnabb>Is that a common problem?
12:26<@mikegrb>what user name?
12:26<efudd>lack of understanding is definately a common problem.
12:27<afv-13>amcnabb: what's top say?
12:27<amcnabb>Load average is about 3.5.
12:27<amcnabb>Mem: 115464k total, 113080k used, 2384k free, 2708k buffers
12:27<amcnabb>Swap: 263160k total, 53316k used, 209844k free, 66388k cached
12:27<amcnabb>which doesn't look too bad
12:27<efudd>you are in swap
12:27<efudd>that's bad
12:27<efudd>end of story
12:28<efudd>rephrase, you are HEAVILY in swap relative to your memory footprint
12:28<amcnabb>66 MB of memory is cached
12:28<efudd>I care not.
12:28<amcnabb>Is that reducable?
12:28<@mikegrb>echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/laptop_mode
12:29<afv-13>`sync` might help a wee bit
12:29<efudd>sync isn't going to do a damned thing.
12:29<afv-13>not even a wee bit?
12:29<efudd>it'll use up CPU cycles. if you consider that "wee"
12:29<amcnabb>I just tried the laptop_mode--I'll see what that does.
12:30<@mikegrb>amcnabb: run "vmstat 1 10" and paste the output to a paste site
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12:31<amcnabb>I'm not used to running a system without much memory.
12:31<@mikegrb>your blocking on io
12:31<amcnabb>I guess I'm spoiled.
12:31<efudd>look closer
12:31<efudd>he's got 0 in wait.
12:32<efudd>yet 3 blocked (which explains the Load average.)
12:32<efudd>but doesn't explain why they are blocked.
12:32<efudd>if it was io block, i'd almost expect those processes to be in wait also
12:32<efudd>but they ar eblocked without any CPU time
12:32<efudd>cat /proc/io_status
12:32<@mikegrb>typical for uml
12:32<efudd>never is for me
12:32<@mikegrb>he's not being throttled yet
12:33<amcnabb>io_count=175688269 io_rate=88 io_tokens=399967 token_refill=512 token_max=400000
12:33<@mikegrb>always see io blocked but not in r
12:33<efudd> b: The number of processes in uninterruptible sleep.
12:33<@mikegrb>amcnabb: you averaging about 200-300 for io_rate
12:33<efudd>that isn't "io blocked"
12:33<@mikegrb>no but it typically is because the process is io blocked
12:33<efudd> wa: Time spent waiting for IO. Prior to Linux 2.5.41, shown as zero.
12:33<amcnabb>mikegrb, 200-300 seems normal for us
12:33<efudd>That is IO blocked.
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12:34<@mikegrb>and based on his io numbers I'd be surprised
12:34<@mikegrb>if that wasn't the problem
12:34<efudd>shrug, i don't know uml.
12:34<efudd>there is a decent quantity of bi tho
12:36<amcnabb>Our memory footprint doesn't seem to vary too much, but sometimes the load goes really high like this.
12:36<@mikegrb>yeah this isn't being caused by swapping but by other disk io
12:36<efudd>fwiw, it doesn't look "Bad"
12:36<@mikegrb>something is reading lots of stuff on disk
12:37<amcnabb>Is there a good way to see which process is responsible?
12:37<efudd>having a load above 1 per CPU isn't anything bad.
12:37<efudd>sure, look and see what processes are in a blocked state via 'ps' with the right arguments
12:38<efudd>I say this isn't bad for you given the high quantity of CPU that you still have available (idle column, no wait)
12:38<efudd>it could be that a process i sa slow reader vs. slow IO...
12:39<efudd>for example, somethign that reads from /dev/random or /dev/urandom and blocks waiting for new bits when there is low entropy...
12:39<efudd>that'd use no CPU, would be a "slow reader" and be perfectly normal whilst upping the load average
12:39<amcnabb>The system is noticably sluggish, though.
12:39<efudd>that could be.. something else. :0
12:39<@mikegrb>normally yeah, but in this case he's just doing too much io
12:39<@mikegrb>it's effecting the host io wise
12:40<efudd>I'd venture to say that your host IO is overloaded
12:40<efudd>yes that
12:40<efudd>so you are ARTIFICIaLLY being slowed down in IO
12:40<efudd>you can't even HIT your io limiter
12:40<efudd>I'm going to shut up now. :)
12:40<@mikegrb>he would be hitting the io limiter if someone else complained
12:40<@mikegrb>but it's not too bad yet
12:41<@mikegrb>mainly just affecting him
12:41<efudd>nod. numbers make sense now.
12:41<amcnabb>I didn't quite catch the explanation (sorry).
12:42<efudd>you are overruning the host IO.. or soemthing.
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12:46<amcnabb>I temporarily stopped mail, and the load is lower, but it's still hovering around .5. It doesn't seem like the machine is really doing anything.
12:47<amcnabb>oh, well
12:47<amcnabb>I'd better get back to work.
12:48<amcnabb>Thanks for your help. I'll keep a closer eye on things.
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13:18[~]gpd reads about rainbow tables - begins to think that Spads isn't that paranoid after all
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13:26<@caker> <-- another one of those boilerplate default webserver pages causing confusion
13:27<TheFirst>hey! i posted that yesterday...steal my thunder why dontcha! :P
13:27<@caker>"Investigative savants." haha
13:27<@caker>TheFirst: sosorry4u
13:27<linbot>how to free the BSD?
13:28<TheFirst>people like that need to be banned from computers
13:32<linbot>New news from forums: Why doesn't "reboot" reboot? in General Discussion <>
13:38<gpd>hmm that guy didn't do himself any favors... should have just explained what a webserver is in the first place
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13:58<Spads>that's been making the rounds nicely
13:59<GN>the stop letter?
13:59<GN>oh sorry
14:00<Spads>it's still funny
14:01<@caker>and in other news: :)
14:01<@caker>still makes me laugh
14:01[~]caker goes back to madly hacking python
14:10<gpd>does courier-imap really require fam and portmap (!?) - since switching to ubuntu it is complaining
14:11<gpd>maybe ubuntu compiles it with FAM - which requires portmap... grr
14:14<@caker>Spads: does a python lxr type tool exist?
14:15<@mikegrb>caker: yes, it's called textmate
14:15[~]mikegrb runs
14:16<@caker>huh .. looks like lxr on its own does a good job of it
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14:27<fo0bar>caker: thanks on the ticket. I'm rebooting now
14:27<@caker>fo0bar: np
14:28<@caker>fo0bar: I also updated your disk image icon
14:28<@caker>well, one was missing
14:29<fo0bar>I'm reading over the xen beta forums now. I may sign up to move that account over to a xen host
14:29<@caker>sounds good
14:31<fo0bar>caker: oh, did you ever run those hammer-time tests on the 9550sx?
14:31<@caker>fo0bar: I did for a few hours
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14:32<fo0bar>I tried test drivers from 3ware, problems. Removed a CPU, no problems. Removed that CPU and put the other in, no problems. Put both back in, but disabled hyperthreading, no problems so far.
14:33<@caker>the "bad" cpu + HT give you problems back again, or didn't test that?
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14:33<fo0bar>well that's the weird thing, both CPUs individually test out OK, even with HT enabled
14:34<fo0bar>I'm going to let this current test run 72 hours, then just try enabling HT again and confirm that's it
14:34<fo0bar>then maybe I'll try to get 3ware and supermicro is a glass jar, shake it, and watch them fight until something is fixed ;)
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14:36<@caker>I used 3ware support the other they (their thing, which is wierd to me) .. anyway, told me to look in Device Manager for my ncq question :)
14:37<@caker>After I re-informed him I was on Linux, he said my drives needed a firmware upgrade, which I suspected...
14:37<@caker>I was overall pleased with support .. not used to getting it
14:37<fo0bar>probably just a miscommunication
14:37<fo0bar>while I haven't been able to get any results from this situation, they've still been helpful and non-condesending
14:38<fo0bar>what drives did you get again?
14:38<@caker>I suspect it's that kernel you're forced to run
14:39<@caker>the tw_cli thing is pretty cool, too
14:39<Spads>for playing tradewars
14:39<@caker>and, good thing I found this out (after making the purchase, btw) that only the 9000 series supports serial-bios
14:39<fo0bar>are you using debian, or still using a RH-based OS?
14:40<@caker>ubuntu was too much of a PITA to get working correctly
14:40<fo0bar>apt-get install rlwrap
14:40<fo0bar>rlwrap tw_cli
14:40<Spads>mmm, rlwrap
14:40<fo0bar>it gives you up-arrow history and stuff
14:40<Spads>readline in tradewars!
14:40<bendy24>15:40 < fo0bar> apt-get install rlwrap
14:40<@caker>oh FINALLY
14:40<@caker>wow .. how the hell does that work?
14:40<fo0bar>magic, as far as I can tell
14:41<@caker> rlwrap runs the specified command, intercepting user input in order to supply readline's line editing, persis-
14:41<@caker> tent history and completion. rlwrap tries to be as transparent as possible, keeping track of command's termi-
14:41<@caker> nal settings, so that it can do the right thing when command asks for single keypresses or for a password.
14:41<Spads>or a pipeline on IO
14:41<@caker>bad ass
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15:15<efudd>caker, *heh* "no pinch."
15:20<efudd>before GM removes it
15:20<efudd>go view that NOW
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15:26<Exelius>Hello, are there Linode support personnel in here?
15:28<Exelius>I guess not :)
15:28<@mikegrb>Exelius: hi, I see your problem
15:28<@mikegrb>Exelius: you are booted and running though, right?
15:28<Exelius>No I am not
15:28<Exelius>At least I do not believe I am
15:29<Exelius>I logged into the lish shell and ran "logview" and the output was:
15:29<Exelius>Cannot exec '/vbin/kernel/': Permission denied
15:31<@mikegrb>you should be up now
15:31<@mikegrb>there is still a bug that is preventing your profile from being displayed/edited
15:31<Exelius>that is ok, as long as I can log in to the machine I will be happy :)
15:31<@mikegrb>was likely introduced in some of the changes in the xen stuff
15:31<@mikegrb>so I will talk to caker about that
15:31<Exelius>Ok :)
15:31<@mikegrb>but yes, you are up and running now
15:32<@mikegrb>if you hit enter at the lish prompt you will be connected to the console
15:32<Exelius>aah I see :) thank you
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15:33<@mikegrb>the boot from LISH just boots the previously booted profile, since you hadn't booted from the website yet, it didn't know what profile to use
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15:34<@mikegrb>issuing a boot from the website is what got it up
15:35<Exelius>One more question.. I'm very familiar with centos/redhat4, so if I edit the config files for it, will they be overwritten by the web management app?
15:35<Exelius>ok great
15:35<@mikegrb>the onlty times your filesystem are touched are:
15:35<@mikegrb>1) initial deployment to edit /etc/shadow to set the root password
15:36<@mikegrb>2) on boot if the disable updatedb helper is enabled, it will chmod a-x the cron script that runs updatedb
15:36<Exelius>so packages are installed via yum, etc?
15:36<@mikegrb>3) when you move to xen, a script will change the devices nodes in /etc/fstab and the console in /etc/inittab
15:36<@mikegrb>right everything is done like a normal system
15:37<Exelius>I have used other virtualization software where that was not the case so I have to ask :)
15:38<Viza>efudd, you there?
15:38<Viza>oh ok nvm
15:38<@mikegrb>if I was interested in quiting that gadget would be neat
15:38[~]efudd has been !smoking for a few weeks now
15:39<@mikegrb>maybe if you could just use the case to make pretty graphs of frequency
15:39<efudd>cold turkey.
15:39<efudd>I rock.
15:39<@mikegrb>I've done that a few times
15:39<@mikegrb>lasted months even
15:39<kvandivo>i like cold turkey.. especially on bread
15:39<efudd>You quit.
15:39<efudd>I stopped.
15:39<efudd>quitting is for losers.
15:39<efudd>quitters restart.
15:40<kvandivo>isn't "start" the antithesis of "stop" more than "quit" ?
15:41<GN>my parents raised me not to be a quitter.
15:41<kvandivo>i'm a non starter, myself
15:41<kvandivo>but, i'll quit now
15:42<kvandivo>because you definitely don't want to get me started about stopping
15:42[~]gpd locates weird portmap/courier-imap problem to portsentry - restarted now all fixed, no portmap required
15:47<Exelius>one more question :) Would there be issues compiling a 2.6 kernel? or any custom kernel for that matter?
15:51<@caker>Exelius: yes, you can only run kernels provided by Linode
15:51<@caker>Exelius: you can compile one, sure, but not run it on the Linode
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15:52<Exelius>hehe well I meant using them. Just wanted to make sure before I did anything dumb :)
15:52<Exelius>back to work it is.. thank you guys very much for the quick responses :)
15:53<@caker>np -- thank you
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15:54<efudd>any of you know x86 assembly well?
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15:55<@caker>efudd: is your intention to hack evercrack?
15:56<efudd>gave that stuff up long long ago.
15:56<@caker>evercrack? Good :)
15:56<efudd>i'm just loooking at some disassembly that appears redundant. trying to sanitize my thoughts.
15:56<efudd>yeah, i've spent < 20 minutes in evercrack the last 6+ months.
15:56<efudd>probably closer to a year
15:57<kvandivo>moved on to Wow?
15:57<kvandivo>WoW, rather..
15:57<iggy>caker: time frame on 320's?
15:57<efudd>i spent 17 levels in wow... canceled before the end of the first month
15:58<kvandivo>knowing my history with plain old diku muds, i've stayed away from any of the new ones
15:58<GN>not D&D
15:58<efudd>evercrack was my first... imean, i had awareness and accounts on many muds through the years.. i just never put in any time.
15:58<efudd>evercrack intrigued me because i hacked hte hell out of it.
15:58<GN>"deaths domain"
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15:59<kvandivo>back in the diku days i had immort'd on several, ran my own for a while, build lots of zones.. major major time sink.. good friends failed out of college..
15:59<kvandivo>i got out of it..
15:59<kvandivo>too addictive
16:00<kvandivo>very fun, though
16:02<@caker>GN: hah
16:02<@caker>GN: people still use my inventory page
16:02<GN>no kidding
16:03<@caker>iggy: give me a few, and I'll check if I can squeeze an account in somewhere
16:03[~]iggy humps
16:14<GN>[insert joke here]
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16:21<npmr>linbot, roulette
16:21<linbot>npmr: *click*
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16:55<@caker>iggy: I can fit one more 320 at the moment
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17:48<efudd>kvandivo, ah, you were one of THOSE
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18:06<acox>Help! I am locked out of my linode. Is any linode person there?
18:07<JonR>have you tried LISH?
18:07<acox>what/who is LISH?
18:08<JonR>if the lockout is due to firewall rules or something, LISH can help.
18:08<JonR>it basically puts you at the console, as if you were at the keyboard of a real physical machine.
18:09<acox>I tried that, thanks. Let me explain..
18:09<acox>I am a paid-up linode user until the end of the month. I shut my linode down the other day cuz I am a student, using it for subversion on group projects and projects all finished.
18:09[~]JonR nods.
18:09<acox>but now my login is rejected at web page a day early at least
18:09<acox>and my data is still stuck in there!
18:09<JonR>oh, the linode control panel.
18:11<JonR>I guess I can't do much to help you, since I'm just a user myself. :(
18:12<@caker>acox: your account expired
18:13<@caker>acox: I can reactivate it for you, if you'd like. You'll need to pay the back balance
18:13<acox>caker, I terminated it myself, but I am still paid up a few more hours, no?
18:14<acox>Linode 120 03/01/2006 - 03/31/2006 $0.00 $29.95
18:14<acox>from my last invoice
18:14<@caker>you didn't notice the big "THIS WILL INACTIVATE YOUR ACCOUNT NOW" text on the cancel page, eh?
18:14<@caker>one sec
18:15<acox>I just want to get in, grab my repository, and get out: one time only
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18:16<JonR>it's normal for a multi-threaded app to appear multiple times in top, under 2.4, right?
18:16<@caker>acox: ok, back in business, except your IP changed
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18:26<OvrLrd-Q>then it showed up :(
18:26<@caker>hehe .. had to relogin, probably
18:30[~]caker heads out to get some mexican food
18:34<JonR>hm, should I worry about this? "*** glibc detected *** corrupted double-linked list: 0x402f2a8c ***"
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18:35<OvrLrd-Q>what were ya doing?
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18:35<JonR>OvrLrd-Q: well, I was watching apache logs in one window, while apt-get dist-upgrading in another.
18:36<JonR>oh, and I also restarted apache.
18:36<OvrLrd-Q>do you know which caused it?
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18:36<OvrLrd-Q>well bug in either apt or apache :)
18:37<OvrLrd-Q>prolly apache depending on which modules you have loaded
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18:37<JonR>I wish I could switch to lighttpd.
18:37<OvrLrd-Q>ditto :)
18:37<JonR>and, technically I can, except lighttpd's equivalent of mod_rewrite requires me to learn LUA in order to use it.
18:38<OvrLrd-Q>heh lua isn't that bad
18:38<JonR>and there's no examples to copy and paste.
18:38<JonR>maybe not, but that's time I haven't got.
18:38<JonR>also, the lack of directory-specific .htaccess functionality is annoying.
18:44<OvrLrd-Q>Your Linode is currently
18:44<OvrLrd-Q>Brand New
18:45<acox>caker, thanks very much for your help. I got my data and killed my linode and canceled the account again. Hope I get the cash and an excuse to come back and do business with you guys again soon.
18:47<OvrLrd-Q>oh wait nm i'm a moron
18:53<OvrLrd-Q>so just keep rebooting till swap shows up?
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19:18<@caker>OvrLrd-Q: #linode-xenbeta, por favor
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19:41<iggy>caker: are you able to do the pay-a-year-in-advance-deal?
19:41<iggy>disk space wise
19:42<@caker>iggy: the 50% more thing, yes
19:42<@caker>tell me when, and I'll open the slot for signupage
19:43<iggy>caker: okay, it'll be tomorrow when I'm back in the office
19:43<@caker>iggy: cool
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19:57<encode>caker: seen these ->
19:57<encode>they look pretty awesome
19:57<encode>Sun T2000
19:57<encode>"Sun claims that this 72 W eight core, 32-thread CPU can outperform the power hungry (200-400W) quad IBM Power 5, Intel Xeon and the AMD Opteron machines in many server applications."
19:58<@caker>"based on the UltraSparc T1 CPU"
20:03<encode>can you run x86 xen guests on a non x86 host?
20:07<efudd>heh. benchmarks rock.
20:07<efudd>so easy to.. uh... make them say anything.
20:11<encode>but it looks nice and shiny
20:12<encode>and 2.5" SAS mmmm
20:12<encode>and 32GB RAM mmm
20:17<oneman>don't buy into the sun bs
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20:17<oneman>its a good machine but in most cases a x86 linux box is bette
20:17<oneman>unless your allready solaris shop
20:18<encode>yeah, i wasnt planning on buying it
20:18<encode>just admiring the shinyness
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21:38<encode>thats pretty cool
21:38<encode>but why 250 feet of cable??
21:39<@caker>2 feeet of cable for each LED, I'd guess
21:39<encode>ahh - when you put it that way it sounds reasonable
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22:09[~]caker sends migration notices to the rest of the beta registrants
22:10<tierra>what if I don't want to migrate when the beta is over? ;)
22:14<JonR>the sky falls.
22:14<@caker>tierra: you'll be stuck w/ UML forever
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22:23<JasonF>caker: still no xen-beta in tp?
22:30<fo0bar>JasonF: caker skipped xen-beta and moved all the way up to xen-sigma
22:31[~]fo0bar puts the final touches on his surprise for finnix 87.0
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22:31<fo0bar>and caker doesn't know what the surprise is!
22:31<fo0bar>ha ha him!
22:31<encode>when will the surprise be released?
22:31<fo0bar>end of the week most likely
22:31<fo0bar>if you want to help...
22:31<encode>theres probably not much i could do to help
22:32<fo0bar>burn that ISO and give it a shot on any computers you have lying around
22:32<@mikegrb>fo0bar: you told me those nude pictures of caker would be in the last release, glad you finally got around to putting them in
22:32<@mikegrb>oops, I've gone and ruined the surprise
22:33<encode>l0l @ authentication message
22:33<fo0bar>mikegrb: your wife reviewed them and thought nude pictures of her would be better
22:33<fo0bar>want to see them?
22:33<fo0bar>encode: it's to casually discourage people from trying to slurp those directories
22:34<@mikegrb>fo0bar: no thanks, I've seen them
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22:39<encode>fo0bar: yeah i guessed that was the case
22:39<encode>im downloading now...
22:40<encode>what sort of hardware do you want it tested on? modern? ancient? laptop? desktop?
22:42<fo0bar>a little of all
22:42<fo0bar>my turion64 laptop, an athlon64 desktop, a K6-300, a P4 1U server, etc
22:43<fo0bar>I even have a 486 CPU/mobo on the way I got off eBay, on a lark to see if the 486 kernel support works
22:43<encode>i dont have anything that old
22:43<fo0bar>I was hoping it would arrive already, but no
22:44[~]efudd had one of those
22:44<encode>hmm, old
22:45<efudd>yes yes. i let the magic smoke out of one of those once.. well, only part of it.
22:45<efudd>still functioned once i reset the circuit breakers in the store
22:45<fo0bar>the important part there are PCI slots. not unheard of, but ISA-only was more common. and as far as I know, no 486s could boot off CD, so I need a PCI IDE card that can do the booting
22:45<fo0bar>which I have at work
22:46[~]efudd snickers
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23:01[~]caker downloads the finnix
23:04<encode>caker: my linode hasnt been thrashing recently has it (apart from the last 10 mins or so)
23:04<@caker>encode: not that I know of
23:05<encode>i've gone through all my io tokens, and i woudlnt have expected what i was doing would've used them up that fast
23:05<@caker>encode: free refill for you
23:06<encode>i will be using a fair few tokens over the next few minutes, but no need for any more refills
23:07<efudd>I'll sell you my spares.
23:07<efudd>You are right. that price is laughable. $1/each.
23:10[~]encode loads finnix onto the remote lightsout boards on our servers and reboots them
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23:28<encode>hmm, ratemylinode site seems to not work (at least for me)
23:28<Eman>alert the internet!
23:29<@caker>encode: the site comes up fine for me
23:29<encode>odd, ok then
23:31<encode>its not loading in Firefox, but in IE its working ok
23:31<kevin>hi, i just mirgrate my linode to xen on host56, however even I got a login prompt from the xenconsole... i keep getting "System bootup in progress - please wait" error when trying to login, any idea?
23:31[~]encode blames bill gates
23:32<@caker>google knows
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23:33<@caker>kevin: can you get in via ssh, or how about logging in to the console as root rather than a user?
23:33<cmantito>oh, nevermind.
23:34<kevin>let me give it a try.
23:35<@caker>kevin: do you have any weird admin application installed? The kind that takes over your machine (like: ISPConfig?)
23:36[~]cmantito makes a note to remove 'kevin' from his hilight list ;)
23:36<kevin>no, I don't. I only have apache/mysql and a email server running.
23:37<kevin>I can't get it via ssh and when I log in to the console, it said my linode is not running... but it is shown as running in the web control panel.
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23:38<@caker>kevin: you have two Lish sessions going
23:38<@caker>kevin: notice how the message says "Linode isn't running or another sesssion is active" ? :)
23:38<@caker>kevin: use the "kill" lish command then reconnect
23:39<@caker>now you're in your console...
23:39<@caker>kill won't do much as a username
23:39<kevin>I am in the console where I got a " login:" prompt
23:40<@caker>now type: root :)
23:40<@caker>and your root pass
23:40<@caker>see if that works
23:40<kevin>no, it does not work.
23:40<kevin>I disabled root login on my ssh...
23:40<@caker>kevin: have you used Lish to login to the machine before?
23:40<@caker>kevin: that's not ssh
23:40<@caker>kevin: that's the console (different beast)
23:40<kevin>yes... it worked fine.
23:41<@caker>what does /etc/nologin do?
23:42<@mikegrb>prevents non-root users from logging in
23:42<@mikegrb>one of the last init scripts executed is supposed to rm in
23:42<kevin>I think that was some script that I got off some debian package..
23:42<@caker>whoops, caps
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23:42<@caker>I think that's his problem
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23:43<@caker>kevin: edit your config profile, enable "init=/bin/bash", reboot
23:43<@caker>kevin: log into Lish, run: "mount -o remount,rw /"
23:43<@caker>kevin: then: rm /etc/nologin
23:44<kevin>ok. I will try.
23:44<@caker>kevin: undo the setting, reboot, see if that fixes it
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23:47<@caker>kevin: my bad
23:48<@caker>kevin: try now, sorry
23:48<kevin>ok, thx.
23:49<@caker>kevin: ok wait there .. I'll search some more
23:49<kevin>I did the mount command and when I do the rm command, it said file not found
23:50<@caker>kevin: cd /etc/; grep "please wait" -r .
23:51<@caker>kevin: cd /etc/; grep "please wait" -r . <--- period
23:51<@caker>(I can see your console, btw)
23:52<@caker>kevin: grep "/etc/nologin" -r .
23:53<@caker>kevin: grep DELAYLOGIN -r .
23:53<@caker>kevin: edit rc5.d/, and change DELAYLOGIN=yes to no
23:54<@caker>kevin: poweroff, set the config back to normal and reboot
23:55<@caker>kevin: you might need to do what we just did over again -- it didn't sync the filesystems
23:55<kevin>ok.... is that a problem on my end? I am not an sysadmin thanks for the help!
23:55<@caker>kevin: well, poweroff or reboot might have done it
23:55<@caker>kevin: as in the commands "poweroff" :)
23:56<@caker>kevin: no biggie .. just boot back up, verify that /etc/rc5.d/ has DELAYLOGIN set to no, then run "sync"
23:56<kevin>ok, I just boot up the linode
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23:58<@caker>kevin: do over
23:58<@caker>kevin: it didn't write that file out
23:58<kevin>how can I quit that prompt? " login"?
23:59<@caker>I'll reboot the node back into init=/bin/bash
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