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---Logopened Sun Apr 02 00:00:51 2006
00:38<tsi>anyone know anything about solaris spontaneously deciding to populate /dev/rst instead of /dev/rmt when making tape devices?
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01:01<encode>taupehat: i seem to have kinda solved my xdmcp problem
01:01<taupehat>what was the trick to it?
01:02<encode>the trick was starting up an xdmcp session, logging in, then starting another, logging in again, and the second session would actually work
01:02<encode>so thats why its only kinda solved
01:03<encode>i agree
01:03<encode>but its good enough for me forn ow
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01:10<fo0bar>I just realized I'm not on freenode. kudos to me
01:16<encode>i dont see the correlation
01:18<warewolf>oh god
01:19<warewolf>lilo *yet again* played an april fools joke on OFTC?
01:19<warewolf>last time he walloped *from* an OFTC address on freenode
01:19<warewolf>god I love abuse of power.
01:19<@mikegrb>he didn't play an joke
01:19<@mikegrb>he ddosed oftc
01:19<taupehat>oh it was funny ha ha
01:19<warewolf>did lilo actually redirect people from freenode to OFTC?
01:19<taupehat>and ha
01:19<warewolf>you're shitting me
01:19<taupehat>warewolf: no, he just told people to claim that
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01:20<warewolf>I just read that
01:20<@mikegrb>lilo being the guy that files a police report every time a DOS against freenode happens
01:20<warewolf>so he *convinced* people to tell other people that freenode was kaput?
01:20<@mikegrb>I certainly hope SPI or OFTC files a police report
01:20<warewolf>and that OFTC was the only thing left?
01:20<@mikegrb>even better they should press charges against him
01:20<taupehat>warewolf: he gnoticed the prank
01:21<warewolf>thanks mike
01:22<taupehat>mikegrb: whoah
01:22<taupehat>nah, that's not a ddos
01:24<warewolf>I have one simple question
01:24<warewolf>I used to be on staff here.
01:24<warewolf>mikegrb too.
01:24<warewolf>yes. here.
01:25<warewolf>why didn't the oftc opers +invite or +moderate #oftc?
01:25<@mikegrb>they did
01:25<warewolf>that would have solved one half of the problem
01:25<warewolf>oh I'm sorry, they did it after the first four minutes I've read?
01:26<@mikegrb>you and I were pretty much all that was around for 90% of the day
01:26<fo0bar>,_2006 <-- my prank has been deemed "noteworthy"
01:26<@mikegrb>without us, they're screwed ;)
01:26<fo0bar>IE, it survived the overflow of crap being noted for this year
01:26<@mikegrb>fo0bar: you will always be noteworthy to me, I don't need some silly wikipedia page to tell me this
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01:30<warewolf>lilo, please go away. You're not welcome here any more.
01:30<encode>fo0bar: which prank was yours? theres so many listed
01:30<warewolf>GO CDLU
01:31<fo0bar>encode: search for finnix :)
01:31<@mikegrb> <-- these are awesome
01:31<encode>ahh l ol
01:31<encode>nice work
01:31<@mikegrb>I saw some on recordings but had fast forwarded through them
01:32<warewolf><cdlu>by the way, lilo's k-line is not an april fools joke. But discussion of this matter is over.
01:32<fo0bar>it has been successful though. I've had more downloads of 87.0 in the last 36 hours than I've had in the entire lifespan of any of the 86.X versions
01:33<fo0bar>(average about 2 months between releases)
01:34<encode>because of your listing on the wikipedia page? or because of your announcement?
01:34<fo0bar>encode: I'm guessing a little of a lot of press
01:35<@mikegrb> <-- awesome (they are in a relationship together)
01:35<fo0bar>encode: err, I mean a little each of a lot more press mentions than usual
01:35<fo0bar>no slashdot though :)
01:37<encode>"If you manage to get Finnix-iPod installed on a non-iPod, I would love to hear from you" <-- that would be a particularly challenging feat
01:38<@mikegrb> <-- the first one is the best
01:39<@mikegrb>thank you fo0bar
01:45<warewolf>I sincerely hope SPI-INC takes legal action against lilo.
01:49<encode>how will that change whats already happened?
01:51<taupehat>it won't
01:51<@mikegrb>it will teach him that you can't break the law and say "lighten up, it's a joke"
01:51<taupehat>but perhaps lilo would then leav
01:51<@mikegrb>I mean, he wouldn't be okay if I shot him and said "ha, ha, april fools!"
01:52<warewolf>that was atleast the second year running that I know of that lilo has played an april fools joke on OFTC
01:53<taupehat>and then he goes "why are they fixated on me?
01:53<warewolf>when I was an oper here, we made absolutely positive that we (as the network staff) made no comment one way or the other about lilo.
01:53<warewolf>we were just another network
01:53<warewolf>not trying to compete
01:54<warewolf>trying to simply co-exist without any trouble apparently is too difficult for lilo to handle
01:55<warewolf>he really, really needs to grow up.
01:56<encode>i guess i dont have the same passion as you guys about it because a) i wasnt around when it happened and b) i was never an ircop on oftc
01:56<warewolf>mikegrb and I were previously OFTC staff members
01:56<warewolf>I was an oper for quite some time
01:56<taupehat>I've just dealt with more than enough lilo stupidity over the years
01:57<taupehat>starting of course with the eternal "hey brotha can u spare a dime?"
01:57<Redgore>I just stay out of IRC politics
01:57<warewolf>Redgore: last I was staff, we tried too.
01:58<@mikegrb>seti's idea of mulithreaded is launching one copy of itself per cpu
01:58<Redgore>ive been involved in small time IRC politics between my network and another which branched out from the same IRC closing down
01:58<Redgore>thats bad enough
01:59<@mikegrb>internet relay chat closed down? I wasn't aware
01:59<encode>whats /.'s obsession with ponies?
01:59<@mikegrb>perhaps that's where lilo got the idea that no IRC protocol exists
03:00<warewolf>encode: their new color scheme is forcing me away from the website
03:00<Redgore>mikegrb: I forgot the word network after the IRC bit
03:00<encode>warewolf: its back to normal now
03:00<Redgore>although it was more, a IRC server back then. The IRC server of to be exact
03:06<warewolf>I have some really, really stupid coworkers.
03:06<warewolf>"rm -i is for deleting inodes!"
03:06<warewolf>"wait, what? please tell me you're not fucking with inodes."
03:07<warewolf>"Yeah, I have a file I can't delete. It's on $SERVER in $DIRECTORY."
03:07<warewolf>*logs in, and looks* "Here's how you do it. 'rm -- <tab completes nasty filename>' The double dash instructs the rm command to stop command-line switch processing."
03:08<warewolf>"Oh. I've used -i to delete files by inode before. It's late, and I understand that we're both tired."
03:08<encode>fortunately my coworkers only know windows
03:08<warewolf>"The only way you can fuck with inodes is with debugfs. I'm going to ask you politely not to ever fuck with inodes."
03:08<warewolf>"I'm sure I've deleted files by inode before. I'll go look it up."
03:09<warewolf>then he sends me an email pointing to this url:
03:09[~]encode is scared for warewolf's employer's data
03:09<warewolf>and again, I have to explain to him that -i is for interactive mode in RM.
03:10<warewolf>encode: I'm tempted to take away this guy's root.
03:11<fo0bar>warewolf: still, that's an interesting way of deleting a pesky file
03:11<fo0bar>(that blog entry that is)
03:11<warewolf>it's a stuipid way.
03:11<warewolf>I'll admit that it's interesting, but stupid.
03:12<warewolf>and I'm not sure it'll work all the time either
03:12<encode>i'd call it dangerous rather than stupid
03:12<encode>but thats just me
03:12<warewolf>er hmm
03:12<warewolf>how about awkward?
03:12<warewolf>ass backward?
03:15<encode>that too
03:17<warewolf>know how I *used* to delete files with f*d up filenames before I learned about rm -- ?
03:17<warewolf>unlink() is your friend :)
03:18<encode>gg perl ;)
03:18<Redgore>using decent filenames is your friend :P
03:18<warewolf>Redgore: sometimes it can't be helped
03:18<warewolf>Redgore: some applications do dumb things at times
03:18<warewolf>lemme check for something real quick
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03:19<scott>Someone referred me to an offsite backup company that was pretty cheap here but I forgot what it is, any suggestions?
03:19<scott>My repository for some reason got eaten
03:20<warewolf>hmm. can't find the one example I know of
03:20<scott>I just need a place to dump incremental backups of my repository
03:20<scott>which really sucks
03:20<scott>but to avoid that happening again...
03:20<scott>or to avoid it from causing data loss
03:21<scott>I'd like to create incremental backups this time...luckily I have up to date working copies of most of my projects, but still, lost alot of data there :-(
03:21<warewolf>Redgore: there's something that some people do in rpm spec files that causes the shell to create a file named 'tar: *.something: no such file or directory' in /usr/src/redhat somewhere.
03:21<warewolf>Redgore: I never did quite figure out what causes that (nor did it really matter any of the times it occured)
03:22<Redgore>any decent packager would test their package, find it makes that file and try fixing
03:23<warewolf>my packages don't do that 8-)
03:23<encode>scott: i use bqinternet, they're pretty cheap
03:24<encode>5 USD / month for 10GB
03:24<encode>only had one minor problem with them over the past year, and they quickly fixed it plus refunded my money for that month
03:24<@mikegrb>was just going to say encode
03:24<scott>encode: perfect, except I don't care about paypal
03:25<encode>scott: it seems to be their only payment method
03:25<scott>now that sucks
03:26<encode>well, if thats no good for you
03:26<@mikegrb>scott: ?
03:26<encode>i suggest you take a look around
03:26<encode>and see if you can find something more to your liking
03:27<scott>mikegrb: ok, some instructions for how to set up automated backups...I didn't really need instructions, but thank you anyway.
03:27[~]scott 's backups are a little more complex than this anyway
03:28<@mikegrb>well, rdiff-backup is the main gist of it
03:28<@mikegrb>handles doing incremental stuffs
03:29<scott>mikegrb: well, what I want to back up is a subversion repository, which outputs incremental rdiffs though another means
03:29<@mikegrb>so you just rsync the directory containing those then ;)
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03:36[~]scott considers gmailfs
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03:52<@linbot>New news from forums: Host 9 down or inaccessible? in General Discussion <>
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05:36<encode> haha so funny
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05:46<andrewtaylor>hi, i'm having some problems with firehol - i can see messages in dmesg but i can't find them in any log files /var/log/syslog /var/log/kern.log /var/log/messsages any other suggestions?
05:50<encode>dont use firehol?
05:51<andrewtaylor>what would you suggest, build ip tables by hand
05:52<encode>i would suggest seeing what firehol's documentation says about its logging configuration
05:52<andrewtaylor>yeah, i've done that, thanks for your help
05:52<encode>maybe check /etc/syslog.conf
05:53<encode>and see if theres anything in there for firehol
05:53<andrewtaylor>there's not, but i have kern.* goingn to kern.log
05:53<andrewtaylor>and it's empoty
05:53<encode>i dont really know much about firehol, maybe someone else does?
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12:41<afv-13>anything funny going on with host32?
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13:02<@linbot>New news from forums: Bridging between wired and wireless interfaces in Linux Networking <>
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14:02<gpd> <-- Finnix
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15:14<@linbot>New news from forums: [Fixed] Host 9 down or inaccessible? in General Discussion <>
15:49<@linbot>New news from forums: Kernel: with NPTL/TLS support in Announcements <>
15:51<iggy>caker: does the nptl stuff actually perform better or is it just for compatibility?
15:54<@linbot>New news from forums: Announcement: Xen Public Beta in Xen Public Beta <>
16:02<lucca>nptl is working good for me (Well, futexes anyway)
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17:57[~]efudd blinks
17:58<taupehat>that's like rick james saying "What, you think I'm gonna go grinding my muddy boots into somebody's suede couch? Yeah, I ground my boots into Eddie's couch."
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18:07<efudd>ok. that's good.
18:08<taupehat>efudd: heh, nice one
18:09<efudd> <- too much fun
18:10<encode>damn right mouse click
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18:24<Eman>those are the kinda cars you hit with a ford aerostar
18:25<Spads>oh yes
18:25<Spads>you are so manly
18:25<Spads>the brand of motorcar you prefer is definitely more manly than the novelty hobby cars in those images
18:25<taupehat>I like the third one
18:25<Spads>it proves that your virility is stronger than theirs
18:26<Spads>your consumer preferences will make you king!
18:26<taupehat>actually, those photos were all taken outside a gentoo lug
18:26<efudd>that's wrong.
18:27<taupehat> is right, you know
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19:06<taupehat>oh my
19:14<@linbot>New news from forums: Scheduled Maintenance: host27 - April 2nd, 7:00 PM Eastern in System and Network Status <>
19:18<encode>please tell me those car pictures are just photoshopped rather than actual cars
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19:32<taupehat>encode: I believe they're real. Certainly gentoo users.
19:33<efudd>Stop abusing gentoo. :)
19:33<efudd>or at least exclude me from that list by name!
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20:56<efudd> A
20:56<efudd>that's disconcerting.
20:56[~]taupehat wonders off to omg-optimize his dinner
20:57<encode>whats disconcerting?
20:57<efudd>look closer.
20:57<taupehat>ok, this is extremely weird
20:57<efudd>the fact that * resolves at
20:57<efudd>he's using it to phish
20:57<taupehat>for some reason, is resolving for me to the bbc
20:58[~]taupehat suspects there's some dns poisioning afoot
20:58<efudd>I'd surmise that is trying to hax0r accounts.
20:58<taupehat>no really
20:58<taupehat>I'm getting weird dns results from home here
20:58[~]efudd shrugs
20:59<efudd>what i want is papajohns to deliver my damned pizza
21:00<encode># ping
21:00<encode>PING ( 56(84) bytes of data.
21:00<encode>64 bytes from ( icmp_seq=1 ttl=59 time=1.40 ms
21:00<encode>how can you tell that its resolving to the bbc?
21:00<taupehat>try browsing to it with firefox or something
21:00<taupehat>PING ( 56(84) bytes of data.
21:00<taupehat>64 bytes from ( icmp_seq=1 ttl=56 time=69.4 ms
21:01<encode>i get a homeland security page
21:01<encode>doesnt look like bbc to me
21:01<taupehat>so we're getting vastly different results
21:01<encode>and also using different dns servers
21:01<efudd>"Yeah, our delivery time isn't 35 minutes. It's 45 minutes to an hour... to an hour and 15 minutes."
21:01<encode>acutally "servers" is redundant in that satement
21:01<encode>like lcd displays
21:02<taupehat>dns addresses?
21:02<efudd>taupehat, if anythink, akamai is fuckedu p vs. "DNS poisoning"
21:02<taupehat>anyhow, it's extremely weird
21:02<taupehat>I suspect you're right about the akamai thing
21:02<taupehat>also, qwest's dns sucks
21:02<taupehat>it's dog slow
21:04<encode>i suspect i've seen slower dns'
21:04<encode>used to use bigpond at home, they have severely overloaded dns, up to several seconds response per request
21:06<taupehat>that's about what I see
21:06<taupehat>I'd call and complain, but it's easier to just point settings at servers that I know and operate =]
21:07<taupehat>ahh, there's that Dark Evil Empire homepage, rather than those liberal hippie truth-tellers at BBC
21:08<taupehat>I was wondering why my FF extension wasn't showing the idiocy level, so I clicked it and got the beeb
21:08<taupehat>which led to all this'
21:45<Spads> <-- emad. No really, Emad El-Haraty
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22:06<@mikegrb>Spads: my gps uses ogg for sounds clips
22:07<@mikegrb>on it's harddrive
22:07<@mikegrb>./Licences/GNU General Public License.txt
22:07<@mikegrb>as well, since it's linux based
22:11<fo0bar>Spads: when I first joined tron, emad was on sabatical or something. Whenever I saw "http://foo <-- emad", I thought "emad" was this metaphorical character that people attributed humor/weirdness to
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22:14<fo0bar>efudd: yeah, after the dominos lawsuits, all pizza delivery companies were instantly given the opportunity to relax their commitments to cellphone-company standards
22:15<Spads>mikegrb: :D
22:15<Spads>fo0bar: I know.
22:15[~]efudd nods
22:17<fo0bar>these days, if I feel the urge to get fast food pizza, I just phone in the order for pickup, and it's usually available in about 15 minutes
22:17<@mikegrb>Spads: they not only provide their source and kernel, they provide a tar.gz you can download, extract, and run a shell script and it will build a patched linux kernel and hello world application
22:17<Spads>mikegrb: !!!!
22:17<Spads>mikegrb: who makes this?
22:17<efudd>i was lazy. went and got food lastnight. wanted delivery today.
22:17<efudd>in the future, i'll order pizza a week in advance.
22:18<Spads>efudd: ha ha, I live across the street from a fantastic pizzeria.
22:18<fo0bar>mikegrb: sounds like linksys (well, after they eventually opened their source). The WRT54G tarball requires about 4 lines of typing to rebuild the firmware
22:18<@mikegrb>efudd: last time we got papa johns it was nearly four hours until we had our pizza (well three but one of the pizzas was wrong so it took another hour to fix that)
22:18<efudd>damnit. i can't seem to determine what is causing ~100 ios/second ever ~15-20 minutes
22:18<@mikegrb>and then I ended up in the hospital with food poisoning
22:18<efudd>gues si'll look closer.
22:19<@mikegrb>and a 5k hospital bill
22:19<efudd>mike, erg. Wtf? :)
22:19<efudd>how muchd id you make on the lawsuit?
22:19<@mikegrb>none :<
22:19<@mikegrb>silly heidi threw out the pizza
22:19<@mikegrb>I left it in the fridge for a reason! I tell her
22:19<@mikegrb>alas, it was too late
22:19<JasonF>throwing out pizza is terrible
22:19<fo0bar>mikegrb: I feel for you, but I still consider papa john's on the upper-end of the "pizza that's crap" category
22:20<JasonF>crime against huMANity
22:20<efudd>yes. agree.
22:20<Spads>wow their diff too!
22:20<Eman>little caesars is aweful
22:20<fo0bar>little caesars was great back in the 80s
22:20<fo0bar>but not now
22:20<@mikegrb>Spads: I'm about to update the firmware so it's the first time I've had a look at the filesystem as I tar it up
22:21<Eman>$5 pizza that sits around under the heatlamp all day
22:21<fo0bar>godfather's pizza is probably the best "chain" pizza joint, but it's not nationwide
22:22<Spads>"aweful" is like a cross between "awful" and "awesome"
22:23<Eman>theres an excellent place about 3 blocks away from here, amazing pizza, building looks like hell
22:23<efudd>damn i mixed those lines up
22:23<@mikegrb>However, please note that building such a toolchain targeting ARM Linux, hosted on x86 Linux or another platform, with these separate components from scratch is NOT trivial, and can therefore not be supported by TomTom. However, we provide some precompiled, binary versions for your convenience.
22:23<efudd>I read: <fo0bar> gadawful's pizza is probably....
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22:42<@mikegrb>fo0bar: around?
22:46<fo0bar>mikegrb: yeah
22:46<@mikegrb>so seperate finnix versions for ppc and intel
22:46<@mikegrb>is it not possible to put both kernels on one cd? guess it would make it bigger since the kernels aren't very small
22:47<fo0bar>remember, the userland binaries are all different too, so one cd to do both would be double the size
22:48<fo0bar>and I'm not sure if you can have both arches be bootable at the same time
22:48<@mikegrb>downloading 87
22:48<@mikegrb>going to try it on my dual g5 goodnesses
22:48<fo0bar>I've only had one other person try it on a g5
22:49<fo0bar>they said it worked, but the fan control didn't work so the fans were on at full speed
22:49<@mikegrb>thought this spindle was cdrs
22:49<@mikegrb>it's dvdrs :<
22:49<fo0bar>so burn it to dvdr, it should work :)
22:49<fo0bar>100MB on a 4GB disc
22:50<@mikegrb>heh indeed
22:50<@mikegrb>at least it isn't dual layer
22:50<@mikegrb>found a cdr spindle
22:50<fo0bar>anyways, be sure to type "finnix64" at the boot prompt, because the G5 kernel is separate from the G4/G3
22:50<@mikegrb>only two or three left
22:51<fo0bar>if it works, type "finnix-hwsubmit" at the bash prompt and submit info about the system please
22:51<@mikegrb>yes ma'am
22:52<fo0bar> <-- also, if you have a 486 lying around
22:52<@mikegrb>unfortunately, I don't think I do
22:52<@mikegrb>not here anyway
22:52<fo0bar> <-- it's sad, I typing in my seatch term, and my own site comes up as result #2
22:54<@mikegrb>24x writing for the win
22:54<fo0bar>well, at least it's not big
22:54<@mikegrb>yeah that too
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22:56<@mikegrb>I think I have a software update available that requires a reboot
22:56<@mikegrb>should check that
22:56<@mikegrb>good time to get it out of the way
22:56<@mikegrb>yeah, 10.4.4 -> 10.4.5
22:57<fo0bar> <-- god damnit I'm too popular
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23:13<Spads> <-- finnix-monster
23:14<fo0bar>21:13 [oftc] CTCP VERSION reply from finnix-monster: irssi v0.8.10 - running on Linux ppc64
23:14<fo0bar>it's ALIVE
23:15<fo0bar>I like my spelling better
23:15<finnix-monster>2root@tty2:/# uname -a
23:15<finnix-monster>Linux finnix 2.6.16-1-ppc64-finnix #1 SMP Sun Mar 26 21:38:36 PST 2006 ppc64 GNU/Linux
23:15<fo0bar>finnix-monster: so the fans kicked on full speed? hmm
23:16<fo0bar>mind staying around for a few minutes?
23:16<fo0bar>also: HOW DID YOU PASTE WITH ONLY ONE BUTTON?!? :)
23:16<Spads>Linux finnix 2.6.16-3-iPod-finnix #1 Sat Apr 1 12:42:36 PDT 2006 iPod GNU/Linux
23:16<fo0bar>finnix-monster: try modprobe therm_pm72
23:17<finnix-monster>fo0bar: I have 4 buttons silly
23:17<finnix-monster>root@tty2:/proc# modprobe therm_pm72
23:17<finnix-monster>FATAL: Error inserting therm_pm72 (/lib/modules/2.6.16-1-ppc64-finnix/kernel/drivers/macintosh/therm_pm72.ko): No such device
23:18<finnix-monster>linux does sata drives like scsi, right? ie sda, sdb?
23:18<fo0bar>windfarm_pm91? windfarm_pm81?
23:18<finnix-monster>windfarm, ha
23:18<fo0bar>there's a lot of crap in /lib/modules/2.6.16-1-ppc64-finnix/kernel/drivers/macintosh
23:19<fo0bar>finnix-monster: we have a couple G4s in the office whose apple generation name is called "windtunnel"
23:20<finnix-monster>root@tty2:/lib/modules/2.6.16-1-ppc-finnix/kernel/drivers/macintosh# ls
23:20<finnix-monster>ans-lcd.ko apm_emu.ko therm_adt746x.ko therm_windtunnel.ko windfarm_core.ko
23:20<finnix-monster>root@tty2:/lib/modules/2.6.16-1-ppc-finnix/kernel/drivers/macintosh# modprobe windfarm_core
23:20<fo0bar>as for sata: yeah, once you modprobe the right module. unfortunately, finnix doesn't have many pci mappings for sata controllers yet
23:20<fo0bar>finnix-monster: no, ppp64, not ppc
23:20<finnix-monster>silly me
23:21<finnix-monster>root@tty2:/lib/modules/2.6.16-1-ppc64-finnix/kernel/drivers/macintosh# modprobe windfarm_smu_sensors
23:22<finnix-monster>and the fans fell silent
23:22<fo0bar>as for sata, try sata_svw, then examine dmesg to see if it found anything
23:22<fo0bar>although there's a possibility sata_svw was already loaded
23:22<finnix-monster>ught oh
23:22<fo0bar>nope, it wasn't according to your repot
23:23<finnix-monster>they are going back up to full speed
23:23<finnix-monster>well, hard to tell it might not be full speed this time
23:24[~]fo0bar curses apple for making chipsets that rely on drivers to keep fans at a sensible level
23:24<encode>at least they cant overheat if the driver dies
23:25<finnix-monster>sata_svw found my dive
23:25<fo0bar>encode: true, but it would be better for the bios/firmware to manage the monitoring, and just let the driver make hints
23:25<finnix-monster>Device 'windfarm.0' does not have a release() function, it is broken and must be fixed.
23:25<finnix-monster>Badness in device_release at drivers/base/core.c:83
23:25<finnix-monster>Call Trace:
23:25<finnix-monster>[C0000001191AB570] [C00000000000E630] .show_stack+0x6c/0x1a0 (unreliable)
23:25<finnix-monster>[C0000001191AB610] [C0000000000202E0] .program_check_exception+0x164/0x524
23:25<finnix-monster>[C0000001191AB6B0] [C000000000004348] program_check_common+0xc8/0x100
23:25<finnix-monster>this most likely from my modprobe -r
23:26<finnix-monster>so I'll reboot again in a moment and load the ppc64 version rather then the wrong one first
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23:29<finnix-monster>[*] Finnix CD found at hda
23:29<finnix-monster>Cannot access the Hardware Clock via any known method.
23:29<finnix-monster>Use the --debug option to see the details of our search for an access method.
23:29<finnix-monster>[*] Running Linux kernel 2.6.16-1-ppc64-finnix on ppc64
23:30<finnix-monster>^ that's that error I mentioned
23:30<finnix-monster>you should also mkdir /var/run/ircd and chown it to the irc user
23:30<finnix-monster>so I don't have to do it every time I want to su to irc and run irssi ;)
23:30<finnix-monster>though I guess running irssi as root from a live cd isn't as bad as doing it on a real system
23:31<fo0bar>finnix-monster: there's a general-purpose non-superuser named "finnix"
23:31<finnix-monster>well I guess I could just use that ;)
23:31<finnix-monster>I cat'ed /etc/passwd saw irc user and went with that
23:32<finnix-monster>ok, modprobed and fans off
23:32<finnix-monster>nothing in dmesg though
23:33<finnix-monster>back up again :<
23:34<fo0bar>maybe there's a /sys control or something
23:34<finnix-monster>looking there
23:34<finnix-monster>nothing so far
23:34<finnix-monster>some smu stuff
23:34<finnix-monster>but mainly power
23:36<fo0bar>ask linus, he has a G5 or something :)
23:37<finnix-monster>there is a windfarm_smu_controls
23:37<finnix-monster>looked prommising but it didn't add anything to /sys
23:38<finnix-monster>root@tty3:/proc/device-tree/smu@0,0/fans@4a00# ls
23:38<finnix-monster>#address-cells built-in device_type fan@1 fan@3 fan@5 hwsensor-params-version name zone
23:38<finnix-monster>#size-cells compatible fan@0 fan@2 fan@4 fan@8 linux,phandle reg
23:39<fo0bar> <-- hmm
23:39<fo0bar>what's a "G5 Quad"?
23:39<fo0bar>detected as : 337 (PowerMac G5 Dual Core)
23:39<fo0bar>I'm guessing that's you
23:39<fo0bar>> is fan management supposed to work on the G5 Quad (PowerMac11,2) with
23:39<fo0bar>> 2.6.16-rc1?
23:40<fo0bar>It will be there soon !
23:40<fo0bar>^^^ finnix-monster
23:40<finnix-monster>nothing writable
23:40<finnix-monster>root@tty3:/proc/device-tree/smu@0,0/fans@4a00/fan@0# ls
23:40<finnix-monster>built-in control-id init-value location min-value name safe-value version
23:40<finnix-monster>compatible device_type linux,phandle max-value motor-type reg unmanage-value zone
23:40<finnix-monster>init-value = "L" which is probably low
23:40<finnix-monster>unmanaged value is a high ascii character
23:41<finnix-monster>probably 127/128 or some such
23:41<finnix-monster>and max-value is the same character
23:41[~]finnix-monster reboots
23:41<finnix-monster>G5 quad == two dual core G5 processors
23:42<finnix-monster>was going to get it but got the single dual core G5 and the tomtom gps instead
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23:42<fo0bar>I was wondering why only 2 procs showed up in cpuinfo
23:43<encode>ah ha! now i know who finnix-monster is
23:44<fo0bar>encode: jesus?
23:44<encode>its mikegrb
23:44<encode>unless theres 2 people in here that bought a tomtom gps and dual core g5 instead of just a quad core g5
23:45<fo0bar>that, and he was talking about downloading and booting finnix on the G5 :)
23:46<encode>i think i missed that bit
23:52<@mikegrb>you miss everything!
23:52[~]mikegrb runs
23:56<encode>i might not miss everything, but i'm sure theres a lot i do miss
23:56<@mikegrb>yeah, like that lotto ticket you threw away last week
23:57<@mikegrb>you missed the fact that their was a redraw and you won
23:57[~]mikegrb pats his pile of fresh green bills from said ticket
23:57<@mikegrb>booting this box is unread
23:57<@mikegrb>27 seconds to login prompt
23:57<@mikegrb>3 seconds from hitting enter after typing password until fully logged in
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