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---Logopened Fri Jun 02 00:00:20 2006
00:00<gpd>nvm... i have an eval version of Norton Ghost that can mount it - so i can probably create an .iso or something from the mounted image
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00:22<gpd>bah... windows xp seems to think 650Mb is max for an iso
00:23<Battousai>but what about dvds?
00:23<Battousai>silly windows
00:23<taupehat>someone should be a hero and port K3B into windows
00:24<taupehat>it'd put roxio out of business, heh
00:29<gpd>I prefer GnomeBaker - but not used K3B much
00:29<gpd>none of them seem to get anything like the /actual/ performance of my CD|DVD Writer
00:32<@mikegrb>I just have Battousai burn mine with a flashlight and magnifying glass
00:32<Battousai>you make me use candles
00:33<Eman>i got nero 6 free with a dvd burner so i just cheap out and use it
00:33<Battousai>do you have any idea how hard it is to focus a radial light source with a magnifying glass?
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01:35<taupehat>mikegrb: you can add roadrunner to the list of qmail or exchange backscatter spammers
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01:40<taupehat>now I need to see what you did to piss off shallax
01:40<taupehat>probably not much =]
01:41<taupehat>gentoo people are often rather unbalanced - look at lilo/somegeek/freenode-freeloader
01:42<gpd>all those hours of staring at compiles will do that
01:42<taupehat>no! it'll make you a linux GOD
01:42<taupehat>"I know gcc-output-fu!"
01:43<gpd>[and then profit]
01:43<Eman>lilo makes me lol
01:43<taupehat>we've got several former freenode staffers laying low in our smallish regional ircnet right now
01:44<taupehat>I look forward to the day when a good FOSS network will rise and offer what people need again.
01:44<taupehat>oftc isn't half bad =]
01:44<encode>taupehat: and we shall call it...skynet
01:45<Eman>dalnet? more like furryland
01:45<taupehat>actually, my personal preference would be that open projects put their irc channels in
01:46[~]Eman waits for the </spam> tag :p
01:46[~]taupehat lilo smilies (8 (8 (8 (8
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01:52<taupehat>err, I don't much care for the comments mikegrb
01:53<taupehat>well, that's not true
01:53<taupehat>long beach hotels:
01:53<taupehat>long beach hotels
01:53<taupehat>offshore muffin balconies beneficent:transactions howls deepens axon,holiday inn express
01:54<taupehat>it's borderline poetic (and psychotic
01:54<taupehat>for example:
01:54<taupehat>student loan debt consolidation
01:54<taupehat>mumbled manifestation Belushi Slavonicizes Salaam lens realist student loan consolidation
01:54<taupehat>mumbled manifestation belushi?
01:54<taupehat>that makes sense
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01:56<aldo>please, need recover inittab with finnix
01:56<gpd>not another one
02:01<Eman>i just love getting "canadian prescription" spam on my canadian domain
02:01<taupehat>that's rad
02:02<Eman>its funny too, the prices are higher then i can get the stuff locally
02:04<taupehat>well, yeah
02:04<taupehat>have to make a profit, y'know
02:04<taupehat>fscking spammers
02:06<gpd>aldo: mikegrb or caker might be able to assist with that - open a ticket
02:06[~]taupehat stumbles to zzzland
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08:47<Dreamrr_3>any problems with routing from kentucky area?
08:49<Dreamrr_3>have lots of people that seem to not be getting thru
08:49<Dreamrr_3>pretty sure it's ISP problem, but curious if anyone else is in on this
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09:00<taupehat>yep, qmail
09:01<taupehat>stupid roadrunner
09:01<kriby>meep meep!
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09:09<Dreamrr_3>npmr: i'm not affected
09:09<Dreamrr_3>npmr: hear about it indirectly from clients
09:09<Dreamrr_3>anyone know of problems?
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09:19<linbot>New news from forums: Slow setup process and no contact info in Sales Questions and Answers <>
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09:46<Dreamrr_3>anyone else having problems with insight cable customers not being able to get to your sites?
09:46<Dreamrr_3>or others in the mid-west?
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09:48<MyTreo>hi, anyone live? quick Q about which distro to choose...
09:49<gpd>go ahead...
09:51<gpd>summary: most ppl use debian, some are switching to ubuntu, some use gentoo, others centos...
09:52<MyTreo>Ok...I want to run a fairly standard LAMP setup with php and mysql 4, apache 2. May want to add a postfix/dovecot mail server later and play with php and myslq v5. i have experience using redhat el3/4 and would prefer that software I need can be easily installed through rpm and apt/yum/similar and not built from source. i don't want a gui, just a fast lightweight server.
09:52<gpd>centos is most like rhel... but not as up to date as you request
09:52<MyTreo>oh, and i don't like the look of rhel2 because it is so out of date.
09:52<gpd>ubuntu dapper drake has all the above
09:53<gpd>and is easier to manager using apt-get
09:53<gpd>debian would need testing to get those versions
09:53<ximbiot>do any of the distros come with qmail as a standard or optional package?
09:53<gpd>there is not distro image for dapper yet - but you can apt-get dist-upgrade from breezy
09:53<MyTreo>ubuntu dapper drake, is that three different distos?
09:53<gpd>no 1
09:54<gpd>dapper drake is the code name for version 6.06 - released y'day
09:54<MyTreo>ahh, it's a branch of ubunto? i got you
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09:55<MyTreo>thanks i'll take a look at ubuntu 5.1 first
09:55<gpd>k - if you want extra stuff edit /etc/apt/sources.list
09:55<MyTreo>i presume there are a lot of repos for ubuntu?
09:56<gpd>most of the extra stuff is in 'universe and multiverse'
09:56<gpd>you should be able to uncomment a line in the base file
09:56<MyTreo>sweet, sounds great
09:57<gpd>and do s/breezy/dapper/ if you want the new version
09:57<gpd>then do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
09:57<gpd>there are plenty of guides - ubuntu is the latest bandwagon ;0
10:00<MyTreo>thanks for your help gpd, nice to see an active IRC channel here at linode
10:02<gpd>np - take it easy
10:11<npmr>caker or mikegrb: make the billing email work
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10:15<Dreamrr_3>anyone else having connectivity issues from some large cable providers?
10:15<Dreamrr_3>i'm having reports from the southern indiana/lousiville market that they can't get to our box
10:16<npmr>any particular cable provider?
10:16<npmr>i can check from charter cable in michigan
10:17<npmr>root@ritalin:~# ping
10:17<npmr>PING ( 56 data bytes
10:17<npmr>64 bytes from icmp_seq=0 ttl=44 time=56.7 ms
10:17<npmr>64 bytes from icmp_seq=1 ttl=46 time=54.3 ms
10:17<@mikegrb>npmr: I have that email thingie on my todo list
10:18<npmr>it's annoying
10:18<MyTreo>im confused by the disk images now - I installed ubuntu on and created a swap then I realised I wanted to delete both those and start again, but deleting the images doesn't appear to do anything
10:20<npmr>you may have to either delete any boot profiles that use the disk images first, or remove the disk images from them
10:20<@caker>MyTreo: it should insert a job into your host's queue, and they'll dissappear from the LPM once thehost has deleted them
10:21<MyTreo>"Delete failed. Perhaps this volume is in use?"
10:23<MyTreo>keeps failing
10:23<ximbiot>MyTreo: shut down the host first?
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10:24<MyTreo>that would be an idea but I deleted my configuration profile so can't send commands to the host
10:24<MyTreo>silly me I know, can I get in another way to shut it down?
10:25<ximbiot>hrm. can you log in?
10:25<ximbiot>then `shutdown -h now' as root.
10:29<MyTreo>thanks ximbiot and npmr, i got in through ssh
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10:32<@mikegrb>mmm cake
10:32<ximbiot>Ciaran, hi. do you like cake?
10:32<@mikegrb>mmm cake
10:32<Ciaran>ximbiot: mmm cake
10:33[~]Ciaran wonders what mikegrb's automatic responses do when you have "cake" and "lol" in the same line.
10:33<Ciaran>cake lol
10:33<Ciaran>Just the "lolz".
10:34<Ciaran>lol cake
10:34<Ciaran>Same if you do it the other way round.
10:36<ximbiot>lol cake roflz
10:36<@mikegrb>mmm cake
10:36<ximbiot>cake roflz
10:36<@mikegrb>mmm cake
10:36<ximbiot>roflz cake
10:36<ximbiot>lol, cake, then rofl.
10:36<ximbiot>cake rofl
10:37<ximbiot>oops, had rofl spelled wrong. it's lol, rofl, then cake.
10:37<Ciaran>LOL ROFL CAKE!!!!!!!111
10:38<@mikegrb>mmm cake
10:38<ximbiot>personally, i prefer cake. (sorry anderiv)
10:38[~]Ciaran proposes a new name for a cake: "Lolroffle Cake".
10:38<Ciaran>Oh, my.
10:38<Ciaran>I just thought of something.
10:39<Ciaran>People are always going on about "roflcopter".
10:39<@mikegrb>mmm cake
10:39<Ciaran>So... what we should do is have a "roflcaker". Now we've got cake AND Linode in the same word.
10:39<Ciaran>I like that.
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10:46|-|npmr changed nick to lol
10:46<lol>!weather 48116
10:47<anderiv>!seen linbot
10:47<anderiv>nevermind :-)
10:48<ximbiot>brighton. good skiing there. for michigan.
10:49<ximbiot>heh. southern michigan, anyway. :)
10:51<lol>no it isn't
10:51<lol>are you hopped up on weed?
10:51<ximbiot>heh. i did specify southern mi. you have, what, holly and pine knob to compare it to. neither is much better.
10:52<lol>alpine valley is better than mt. b
10:53<lol>although, after skiing on that dung pile for years and years, you can ski on anything
10:53<lol>for example, frozen waterfalls
10:53<ximbiot>ok, maybe. haven't skied there much, if at all. been years since i've been to any of those anyhow.
10:53<ximbiot>heh. yes, that is true.
10:53<lol>it's fun to head out to colorado on spring break
10:53<lol>the only people left on the mountain are the local season pass holders
10:53<ximbiot>where do you go in CO?
10:54<lol>and they have no freaking clue how to ski on crappy late season snow
10:54<lol>keystone, breckenridge, arapahoe, copper mountain, loveland, steamboat, snowmass, and vail
10:54<ximbiot>'cept for the few who started in the east (or midwest). there are usually a few transplants. :)
10:54<ximbiot>wow, you got around for s spring break trip.
10:55<lol>and i've also been to brighton, ut, park city, jackson hole, and big sky
10:55<gpd>i just came back from Mammoth, CA - where they plan to be open 'til 4th Jul...
10:55<lol>well, this was like four consecutive spring breaks and one winter break
10:55<Spads>brighton beach
10:56<kriby>alpine valley:
10:56<lol>and going to a different place every day for a week
10:56<kriby>cascade mountain:
10:56<ximbiot>i lived in Boulder for awhile, so i held season passes for Arapahoe and Winter PArk in different years, spent some time at breck, vail, & keystone too. went to steamboat and copper each once. steamboat was actually my favorite, but it was too far to get to much.
10:57<lol>kriby, wrong alpine
10:57<kriby>right alpine.. just not the one you were thinking of. :)
10:57<lol>i went to cascade once, i wasn't impressed
10:57<kriby>my fav is breck.. but i haven't made it much out of summit county (except for Eldora, which doesn't really count)
10:58<kriby>i've been wanting to try utah, or telluride.. maybe aspen..
10:58<lol>aspen's too expensive
10:58<lol>ever been to arapahoe?
10:58<kriby>nope.. haven't do abasin
10:58<lol>you could probably go Right Now
10:58<kriby>thought about it.. but just haven't made it there yet
10:58<kriby>or next month..
10:59<lol>it's the only place i've ever skiied off a cliff
10:59<lol>that was fun
10:59<kriby>i'm not quite that advanced
10:59<lol>it was only about twenty feet
10:59<ximbiot>liked abasin. lots of diamonds. some nice chutes. they usually reopen for a fourth of july beach party every year where some people ski in their swim suits.
11:00<kriby>we always go back to breck.. i think i've about convinced people that we need to try some new places, though
11:00<lol>haven't been there in years
11:00<lol>it is true they built a lift all the way up peak 8?
11:00<kriby>the gondola should make things interesting
11:01<kriby>yep.. something like 80 feet from the summit
11:01<lol>i hiked that
11:01<ximbiot>breck, aspen, and vail were all pretty darn expensive by the time i left, and that was like 6 years ago. anyone know what's happened to abasin since vail bought it?
11:01<kriby>if i took the lift i'd be hiking.... down
11:02<lol>did they buy keystone, too?
11:02<kriby>i don't mind the expense for a one-week-a-year thing..
11:02<lol>keystone owned abasin
11:02<kriby>ya, i think vail resorts owns most stuff in summit county now
11:02<kriby>that's how they can get away with the one-pass-to-rule-them-all thing
11:02<lol>oh, and winter park.... i went there too
11:02<ximbiot>yeah, that sounds about right.
11:03<lol>still owned by the city of denver?
11:03<kriby>breck, abasin, keystone, vail, and wp on the same multiday pass
11:03<kriby>(limited days at vail and, iirc, wp)
11:03<lol>is copper mountain still independent?
11:03<kriby>i'm thinking it is.. but a websearch would verify
11:04<kriby>haven't been to copper but once, and that was 10 years ago or so
11:04<lol>likewise, but more like 15 years
11:05<kriby>i really want to get up to whistler/blackcomb.. a mile of vertical sounds very compelling
11:10<lol>only place i've been in canada was searchmont
11:10<lol>left early that day after my uncle got a concussion
11:10<lol>my other uncle was sick with the flu back at the hotel room
11:10<lol>it was a bad day
11:11<lol>but the canadians fixed up my uncle for free
11:11<lol>hotel room was a three hour drive away, too, back in petosky
11:28<MyTreo>folks, i am liking ubuntu, but i am lost without the "service" command I know from red hat. How do I make services start or see their status in ubuntu?
11:29<MyTreo>I have installed webmin but can't find how to start it, under red hat I would have done "service webmin start"
11:30<ximbiot>look in /etc/init.d. are there lots of files with service names?
11:30<anderiv>MyTreo: did you check if it added an init script? Look in /etc/init.d/
11:30<anderiv>ximbiot: you beat me :-)
11:30<ximbiot>all the RH `service' script does is call /etc/init.d/script, where `script' is the name of the service you typed.
11:31<MyTreo>haha, i see
11:31<ximbiot>okay, that's not true. the RH service script handles the files in /etc/xinetd.d too, come to think of it.
11:32<MyTreo>so i could make a little script that does the same, or just run the service script directly, sweet thank you
11:32[~]MyTreo understands a little more
11:32<ximbiot>which means just toggling the `enable = yes' line to `enable = no' and vice versa, i believe.
11:32<ximbiot>and HUPing xinetd.
11:33<MyTreo>do i even need xinetd?
11:33<ximbiot>MyTreo, depends what you are running.
11:34<ximbiot>anyhow, i had service and chkconfig confused.
11:34<ximbiot>you cuold replace service with the script that calls /etc/init.d/service
11:34<ximbiot>#! /bin/sh
11:35<ximbiot>service = $1
11:35<ximbiot>/etc/init.d/service ${1+"$@"}
11:36<ximbiot>actually, don't call exit
11:36<ximbiot>but you get the idea
11:36<MyTreo>thanks, would i just put that in /bin/service ?
11:37<ximbiot>chkconfig diddles the links in /etc/rc?.d and munges the /etc/xinetd.d files as I mentioned.
11:37<ximbiot>MyTreo, /bin/service would be fine.
11:37<ximbiot>and don't forget the $ in $service, like i did.
11:38<MyTreo>i never use chkconfig much so that's no bother :)
11:38<ximbiot>so, one more time with correct syntax:
11:38<MyTreo>i'll try this script now.
11:38<ximbiot> #! /bin/sh
11:38<ximbiot> service=$1
11:38<ximbiot> shift
11:38<ximbiot> exec /etc/init.d/$service ${1+"$@"}
11:38<ximbiot>that should work.
11:39<gpd>what is wrong with `/etc/init.d/foo start|stop|restart`
11:40<MyTreo>gpd: i am just used to the "service" shortcut
11:40<ximbiot>gpd: just less to type. i went that route until i discovered the `service' script. :)
11:40<ximbiot>i can type `service named reload' faster. i think going for all the punctuation slows me up.
11:40<gpd>bah - typing is the least of my worries...
11:40<MyTreo>ximbiot: works great, thank you!
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11:42<gpd> / e [tab] i [tab] n [tab] reload [but point taken]
11:43<ximbiot>yeah, if those are all short enough to uniquely identify. but i still think i type service named faster. haven't benchmarked it. :)
11:44<@mikegrb>wrong, window
11:45<ximbiot>bad, bad window! bas!
11:46[~]ximbiot wags his finger at the window.
11:47<gpd>talking of services - this is super easy: sysv-rc-conf
11:47<ximbiot>is that ubuntu-speak?
11:49<ximbiot>gpd: ah, Debian. that is like RH's chkconfig, except it also diddles the xinetd.d files.
11:49<ximbiot>(chkconfig handles xinetd.d too)
11:50<gpd>it is a package that does as you say - sets up symlinks for you for each runlevel
11:55<ximbiot>MyTreo, heh. thanks for the tip. i hadn't thought of uninstalling xinetd as a performance tweak, yet, but i didn't actually need it. :)
11:57<@mikegrb>wait until you guys see the pics of caker on the mechanical bull
11:57[~]mikegrb runs
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11:59<ximbiot>is there anyway to uninstall sendmail and still allow mail to be sent from script on the local host?
11:59<MyTreo>hey mikegrb, you have a treo? :)
11:59<MyTreo>700 or 650?
11:59<MyTreo>or 600?
11:59<@mikegrb>there are a few mail servers designed just for that
12:00<MyTreo>ximbiot: i use postfix, sendmail is truly horrible
12:00<ximbiot>mikegrb, which ones?
12:00<ximbiot>i don't want to accept SMTP connections - just want scripts to be able to mail me status reports.
12:00<@mikegrb>ximbiot: couldn't name one off hand, I know there are a few out there
12:01<@mikegrb>wifi here is a bit overloaded so can't really help you look, unfortunately
12:01[~]ximbiot starts googling.
12:01<MyTreo>postfix defaults to local outgoing mail only when it installs, it also replaces the sendmail command so no scripts need changing
12:02<ximbiot>MyTreo, does it stay memory resident or only launch to send mail?
12:02<MyTreo>good question :)
12:02<lol>postfix is a bunch of small pieces
12:02<lol>only a couple of them run continuously
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12:03<Dreamrr_3>anyone else having connectivity problems from the indiana/kentucky area?
12:03<@mikegrb>Dreamrr_3: have you tried a traceroute?
12:04<Dreamrr_3>mikegrb: i don't have a problem
12:04<Dreamrr_3>mikegrb: it's customers of my clients
12:04<Dreamrr_3>i can get to everything fine
12:04<Dreamrr_3>apparently it's been an onging issue for a week or two, i'm trying to get more info
12:04<@mikegrb>so ask them for a traceroute
12:04<Dreamrr_3>mikegrb: uh yeah, most of these people prolly don't even know how to use IE...
12:05<Dreamrr_3>your average joe, or grandma
12:05<Dreamrr_3>i'm just wondering if anyone else has heard anything... Insight evidentally told one user that it's their issue, but a fix doesn't seem to be happening too quickly
12:07<Dreamrr_3>if i was at an affected workstation i would traceroute it
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12:10<Dreamrr_3>actually i'll try from the other systems i have access to, but i'm betting it works just fine
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12:18[~]warewolf is now the owner of two IS2600 "tuxscreen" lucent webphones.
12:19<warewolf>one beautifully modded to have hard-wired ethernet, that has a bricked flash, the other unmodded and running linux already.
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12:38<lucca>hm, the clock on the host i've moved to seems to drift noticably... what is the recommended way of keeping time synced within a uml node? ntpd?
12:38<Spads>what distro are you running?
12:38<Spads>there should be like an ntp-simple package or something
12:40<Spads>note that ntp only syncs within a narrow range
12:40<Spads>so you'll want to fix your clock with ntpdate or something before running ntpd
12:41<Spads>if you install ntpdate, it ought to spot that and run it automatically before firing up the ntpd anyway
12:41<lucca>yeah, already had ntpdate
12:43<afv-13>i feel safer croning ntpdate
12:44<lucca>heh, I have an embedded system where I have to cron ntpdate
12:44<lucca>it loses 6.1 seconds every 30 minutes >_<
12:44<afv-13>that's quite hectic
12:45<lucca>it's also a pretty simple router. I don't really need a userspace running on it.
12:45<Spads>ntpd seems a better fit for that kind of system
12:45<Spads>especially a router
12:45<lucca>ntpd dies within a few minutes on That system
12:46<lucca>the crystal is just too far off
12:50<warewolf>you might need to manually calculate out what the crystal drift is and frob ntp.drift manually
12:50<warewolf>RTFM for what the details are on the two numbers in there
12:50<Spads>man, I remember toying with that shit after building ntpd from sources
12:50<warewolf>I think they're something like uh ...
12:50<Spads>ten years ago, almost exactly
12:50<warewolf>click drift, over what time
12:51<warewolf>actually it appears to be just one number
12:51<warewolf># -SSH- warewolf@xabean:/etc/ntp$ cat drift
12:51<warewolf>apparently my clock is slow.
12:52<Spads>[nick@xyzzy(~)] cat /var/lib/ntp/ntp.drift
12:52<Spads>Mine's fast
12:52<Spads>[nick@frotz(~)] cat /var/lib/ntp/ntp.drift
12:52<Spads>that's my linode
12:52<warewolf>#$ cat /etc/ntp/drift
12:52<warewolf>I don't think I'm running ntp
12:52<warewolf>rather pointless
12:52<warewolf>since you can't change the clock
12:53<warewolf>(my linode)
12:54<Spads>you can, just not the hardware clock
12:56<lucca>heh, drift was recorded as 0.0 on that router system
12:56<lucca>I'm guessing that means it never got around to calculating anything
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13:31<@mikegrb>lucca: you can change the maximum update amount in the conf
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13:33<lucca>hm, i'll have to try that
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13:36<shrap>Is there a problem, i cannot connect to my linode
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13:37<collin>i can't either
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13:38<tchang>is anyone else on host58.fremont?
13:39<shrap>Im on host 15, and mines down
13:39<jekil>another problem i cant connect to my linode on host21
13:39<tchang>yeah mine's offline
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13:39<tchang>looks like some sort of a network issue at HE?
13:39<@mikegrb>it's an HE networking outage
13:40<tchang>i find it amusing that itself is still online, as well ;)
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13:41<shrap>host15 is back... but lag is immense
13:42<@mikegrb> isn't hosted at HE
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13:43<christophe>is there some kind of problem with node 26 ?
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13:43<shrap>christophe, half of linode seems to be down right now...
13:43<christophe>oh I see
13:43<christophe>network problem I guess
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13:44<linbot>New news from forums: Fremont Networking Issues in System and Network Status <>
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13:51<shrap>26% packet loss
13:51<shrap>wow that sucks
13:51<anderiv>hey - look at the bright side - you're still getting the *majority* of the packets.
13:52<ximbiot>it's not enough to load a web page.
13:52<anderiv>it *is* friday after all.
13:52<shrap>This isnt what i wanna be dealing with on a friday tho :P
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13:55<TheFirst>only thing to deal with on a friday is getting to the bottom of a bottle of beer :P
13:55<shrap>Agreed, Gotta finnish work 1st tho...
13:56<TheFirst>wish i had work to finish
13:56<shrap>cool, latancy is alot better now
13:57<shrap>and 0 packet loss, cheers
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14:01<ximbiot>anyone know where to grab a copy of httpd_load?
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14:03<gpd>what is it? like apache benchmark tool?
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14:03<rko>host53 seems to be in high load
14:03<rko>known issue?
14:03<Kathy>anyone notice an outage just now?
14:04<gpd>yes - bunch of ppl reporting network problems
14:04<warewolf>someone said there were packetloss problems
14:04<gpd>ximbiot: use openload or ab (in apache-utils)
14:05<Kathy>host 20 and 22 went unusable and massively laggy<worried>
14:05<ximbiot>gpd, an httpd benchmarking utility. has a few featues ab doesn't, like selecting random urls from a file.
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14:06<gpd>ximbiot: TheFirst is correct:
14:06<ximbiot>i can find all sorts of references to it in google, but none of them have a download url. `httpd_load download' isn't a very good search when httpd_load is a program that downloads things. :(
14:06<TheFirst>of course i'm correct, i'm always correct, my word is gospel! :P
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14:06<gpd>http_load --- no d
14:08<ximbiot>got it now. thanks.
14:08<ximbiot>gpd, huh?
14:09<TheFirst>hmm in openload ab does have nicer reports than http_load...
14:10<TheFirst>gpd: got a good set of options to use for load testing?
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14:20<Kathy>network turbulance stabilised?
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14:34<rko>my load issues is stabilizing at least
14:34<rko>I don't know what kind of network problem it was but I didn't notice anything like that on host53
14:35<@caker>rko: it only affected HE
14:35<rko>pings to the local gateway were 0% packet drop
14:35<rko>caker, gotcha... I thought so
14:36<rko>I'm going to drive by Fremont in 30 minutes, maybe I can take my baseball bat with me
14:36<@caker>batter up
14:37<rko>we have to migrate off from host53 soon?
14:38<@caker>rko: well, you won't have to right away, but I figured you guys would want off that box...
14:38<rko>yes we do
14:38<@caker>that (replacement) box is still here, however -- I've been at the Red Hat summit this week
14:38<rko>any ETA when we can start? Must be my 3rd or 4th host
14:39<@caker>Sometime this week, hopefully
14:39<anderiv>'s an amateur radio thing.
14:40<rko>just some ham radio slang
14:40<@caker>QSLAcknowledge Receipt (Ham radio)
14:40<rko>migration is fine with me... I've done it few times and it's always gone smooth
14:41<Spads>Hi, Q/S/L?
14:42|-|mode/#linode [+o linbot] by caker
14:42<@linbot>caker: *click*
14:48<@linbot>warewolf: *click*
14:49<warewolf>if you're not a ham, please don't use Q codes.
14:49<warewolf>thank you.
14:51<warewolf>feel free to type unix commands on irc though.
14:51<afv-13>sorry, i'm used to focus following the mouse
14:51<warewolf>me too.
14:51<warewolf>I love sloppyfocus.
14:51<@linbot>ximbiot: *click*
14:52<ximbiot>!weather 48085
14:52<@linbot>ximbiot: Temperature: 75°F / 24°C | Humidity: 44% | Pressure: -9999.00in / -9999hPa | Conditions: Clear | Wind Direction: NE | Wind Speed: 7mph / 11km/h; Rest of Today - Mostly cloudy until about 2 PM...then becoming partly sunny. Highs 74 to 78. Northeast winds 5 to 15 mph.; Tonight - Partly cloudy until late evening...then becoming mostly cloudy. Scattered showers and thunderstorms through mid evening...then a (1 more message)
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14:53<warewolf>holy shit
14:54<warewolf>someone created an account on lj to spam comments in my journal
14:54<warewolf>hey start off with "u r a faggot"
14:54<afv-13>that's dedication
14:54<warewolf>then "do you still pay $90 for cable tv?"
14:54<warewolf>and link to or something
14:55<afv-13>isn't there a "type these numbers into this box to comment" feature?
14:55<warewolf>I have to admit, calling me a faggot is a GREAT way to make me honestly consider purchasing an advertised product.
14:56<warewolf>afv-13: I restrict my journal commenting to people who 1) aren't anonymous, 2) have LJ (or OpenID) accounts.
14:56<warewolf>and 3) people who I havn't selectivly banned
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15:00<rko>warewolf, QSL
15:00<rko>I am a ham
15:00<rko>so I can use them :-)
15:00<warewolf>CQ CQ CQ DE KE4POK
15:01<rko>KE4POK de W6RK
15:01<anderiv>I like to eat ham...does that count?
15:01<warewolf>ooh, a one by tw
15:01<warewolf>Fairfax, VA here
15:01<rko>Hayward, CA, CM87xp
15:01<warewolf>I used to know my grid square when I lived at my parents house.
15:01<rko>Alameda County
15:01<warewolf>I have no idea what my grid is where I live now.
15:02<warewolf>I thought 6 ws somewhere out west
15:02<rko>yes, California
15:02<warewolf>I used to run uh
15:03<warewolf>I used to play netop/controller for boyscout camporees and jamborees
15:03<warewolf>hardcore hams hated me signing off with other hams with "Ok, cool."
15:03<rko>or 10-4?
15:03<warewolf>oh hell no
15:03<warewolf>none of that children's band stuff
15:03[~]warewolf avoids 11 meters like the plague
15:04<rko>I'm mostly a DXer, contester, county hunter, digital modes
15:04<warewolf>my dad has DXCC
15:04<warewolf>you should have seen his QSL cards on his wall
15:04<rko>what's his call?
15:05<warewolf>I need to get him to use 'universal serial bus' as his phonetics for his call
15:05<rko>not in the log
15:05<warewolf>what, there's a list of who has DXCC?
15:05<rko>nah... for us USB means upper side band :-)
15:06<rko>no, I meant he's not in my log
15:06<warewolf>rko- haha he prefers SSB :)
15:06<rko>yes, there is a list...
15:06<warewolf>rko- OH, meaning you've never talked to him.
15:06<rko>I bet his call is from time when computer USB didn't even exist
15:06<warewolf>it is.
15:06<rko>and yes, there is a list...
15:06<warewolf>his call used to be Nsomething4USB, which was his NOVICE call
15:07<warewolf>if that's not dating him, I don't know what else will :)
15:08<rko>look at listings under "DXCC listings"
15:08<rko>it was probably WN4USB?
15:09<warewolf>I'm pretty sure the prefix was N
15:09<rko>I have mixed, CW and 20m DXCC
15:09<warewolf>hmm he's probally in 20 meters
15:09<rko>210 worked now on mixed... just lagging behind with QSLing
15:09<rko>a lot of people don't go after band DXCC. Just mixed or maybe CW/phone/RTTY
15:12<warewolf>dude, this is frustrating
15:12<warewolf>I can't find my dad in the list
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15:13<rko>if this tells you anything... DXCC mixed is 60 pages long
15:14<rko>DXCC 20m list is only 8 pages long
15:14<warewolf>20 meters was his favorite band
15:15<warewolf>20 and 80 I think
15:15<rko>he's not listed in the mixed
15:15<rko>maybe he had some other call before?
15:15<rko>after all, until recently you had to change the call if you moved from one call area to another
15:16<warewolf>I remember him telling me that he got extra points for working countries that nolonger exist
15:16<rko>did he use to live somewhere else before?
15:16<warewolf>he's been wa4usb for as long as I can remember (26 years)
15:18<rko>I found N4USB on Phone list
15:18<warewolf>n4usb isn't my dad
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15:19<warewolf>they have his phone area code number wrong
15:19<warewolf>it isn't 571
15:20<rko>well... I don't know why he isn't listed. Maybe they don't have everything pre-electronic stuff listed
15:20<warewolf>I'll ask him the specifics
15:20<warewolf>I may be mistaken on which he got
15:21<rko>one thing could be that he have them all worked and verified but he never applied
15:21<warewolf>I was pretty sure it was worked-all-countries and worked-all-states
15:21<warewolf>that may be the case
15:21<rko>those are little bit different awards
15:21[~]warewolf nods
15:21<rko>WAC = worked all continent is another
15:22<rko>anyways.... I gotta get going to the post office
15:22<rko>to drop of some letters with QSLs :-)
15:23<rko></ham mode>
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15:40<Eman>im looking at a word created html doc and am scratching my head wondering wtf this mess does
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15:43<anderiv>Eman: don't even bother.
15:44<Eman>haha, i just gave up and im gonna just recreate the page from scratch
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16:02<AutoDMC>Hello! My linode firewall is dumping messages to my terminal, and I can't seem to figure out how to make it stop.
16:02<MyTreo>quick q about the ubuntu distro at - what is the ssh server that is installed by diffault?
16:03<AutoDMC>I'm pretty sure it's OpenSSH...
16:03<anderiv>MyTreo: I'd guess OpenSSH.
16:03<anderiv>...aside from micro distos, I've never heard of anything else being used.
16:04<AutoDMC>I don't know how to check, I"m sitting next to my Ubuntu linode terminal...
16:04<AutoDMC>...which is getting blasted with Firewall logs...
16:04<kriby>ssh -v linode.machine would work
16:05<kriby>grep for 'remote software version'
16:05<kriby>but i can't imagine anything other than Open
16:05<AutoDMC>OpenSSH4.2pl Debian-7ubuntu3, OpenSSL 0.9.8a 11 Oct 2005
16:05<kriby>that sounds more like the client string.. a bit farther down it lists the remote version.. (i could be mistaken, though)
16:06<anderiv>the only other sshd I've used is dropbear, which I have running both on my NSLU2 and my WRT54G.
16:07<AutoDMC>"debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version OpenSSH_4.2pl Debian-7ubuntu3"
16:07<kriby>that sounds right
16:07<AutoDMC>So... OpenSSH officially :D
16:11<AutoDMC>Any idea about the firewall garbage?
16:11<anderiv>AutoDMC: just to be sure we're clear...I think it's OpenSSH
16:11<anderiv>AutoDMC: what firewall garbage?
16:12<gpd>AutoDMC: is this iptables stuff?
16:12<gpd>you can use ulog to divert to /var/log/ulog
16:12<AutoDMC>Yah, it's OpenSSH.
16:12<AutoDMC>Yah, it's IPtables stuff... I use FIREHOL to set up the IPTABLES rules.
16:13<AutoDMC>I followed both of the ideas here:
16:13<AutoDMC>As you can see, I've had this problem before :D But each time those steps worked.
16:14<gpd>you should be able to change the default log parameters of firehol or iptables
16:14<gpd>or you can change /proc/sys/kernel/printk for the whole system
16:16<gpd>heh - looks like my post in that thread... gravies
16:16<gpd>clearly that worked for me --- but i stopped using firehol
16:16<gpd>decided i didn't care, now only use ssh-bruteforce
16:18[~]gpd wonders if discard, daytime, time are worth worrying about
16:20<kriby>i worry about time all the.. well... time
16:36<AutoDMC>OK, I figured it out. I feel dumb. Just put "server drop all" at the bottom of the servers rules block in Firehol. Happy clear terminal!
16:36<AutoDMC>Thanks, everybody.
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16:37[~]kriby looks around.
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17:22<afv-13>i see load averages start at 0 again :p
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17:47<@caker> <-- so wrong
17:50<gpd>$50k and it is yours caker...
17:50<eFUDd>yes. that is fugly. saw it a few days ago.
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17:59<@caker> <-- street quad (video links towards bottom)
18:16<@mikegrb>yesterday after caker rode the mechanical bull some girls came up to him
18:16<@mikegrb>I was kind of far and my hearing is bad but I'm pretty sure I heard them
18:16<@mikegrb>"wow you sure rode that animal good"
18:16<@mikegrb>"hows about we see how well you can ride these animals"
18:17<@mikegrb>then they took their picture with him
18:17<@mikegrb>I think he said "no thanks, I don't ride fat cows" or something
18:17<TheFirst>vps people have groupies now?
18:17[~]mikegrb goes to eat
18:18<afv-13>TheFirst: fat ones aparently
18:18<TheFirst>so it would seem
18:20<afv-13>i wonder if there will ever be a version of ifolder that doesn't need mono
18:20<afv-13>the blog entry anouncing it's title would be "we finally made ifolder suck less"
18:24<lucca>heh, ntpd be default can deal with clock drift of 500PPM; 43 sec per day or so
18:24<lucca>and that router has a clock drift of 295.941264 sec per day
18:24<afv-13>so ntpdate it is
18:25<lucca>heh, there are a few more exotic options to try yet
18:25<afv-13>such as?
18:26<lucca>manually specified variance
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18:29<afv-13>that's not exotic, more like crazyotic
18:33<@caker>mikegrb: the girls asked to see my "red hat"
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19:03<@linbot>asterick: hello
19:03<asterick>Kinda dead in here, hey?
19:03<@caker>geeks party on Friday
19:04<asterick>I see...
19:04<asterick>Quick question, is there any real practical reason to keep the discard port open?
19:06<asterick>Good to know.
19:07<asterick>I'm trying to close as many ports as possible, that one just seemed like a bandwidth sink.
19:12<TheFirst>close them all and open one by one until things work?
19:13<asterick>Well, I know it wouldn't 'obviously' kill anything... I just didn't want a time bomb problem.
19:13<asterick>down to 4 open ports.
19:14<asterick>I guess that will make it easier to secure my server.
19:23<fo0bar>asterick: somebody DOSing your discard port would actually be 1/2 the bandwidth of somebody DOSing a non-open port, since you would be returning ICMP port closed or something
19:23<fo0bar>asterick: of course, nobody would specifically target discard, so I'm not saying you should leave it open :)
19:24<asterick>fo0bar: I'm more concerned with someone using it as a throw away and eating away at my bandwidth.
19:24<asterick>that and I personally won't use it, so I might as well dispose of it.
19:25<asterick>The odds of it posing a problem to me is slim to zero... but no sense in having something I don't need.
19:26<asterick>Right now, all my server is doing is 3 virtual hosts (apache2) and an exim mailer with spam filtering.
19:26<asterick>unless php magically decides it needs discard, I'll do without.
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21:04<@mikegrb>lucca: just specify the max correction value as something like 100000 in the conf file, that's what I did for a similiar system
21:25<@caker> <-- test me
21:34<gpd>you might wnat to put a brief explanation under each box
21:35<gpd>or some summary text at the top to explain the process
21:35<gpd>i clicked on add new domain after adding a domain... 2nd attempt was to go to edit domain
21:37<@caker>gpd: I didn't parse that last line
21:38<gpd>just not entirely clear that there is anything new to edit in the domain you just setup...
21:38<gpd>so didn't click on edit 1st... clicked on Add new domain Zone... (wanted to add stuff)
21:38<@caker>ok, I'll make it go to domain_view after adding/editing a domain
21:38<gpd>that would do it :)
21:39|-|D[a]rkbeholder changed nick to darkbeholder
21:40<darkbeholder>the remove button does the same as edit right now (looks like the delete=1 isnt working)
21:40<gpd>would also be nice to have a reminder of your linode ip address on the page where it is asking for it
21:40<@caker>darkbeholder: removing a domain, or an RR?
21:41<darkbeholder>on the main index, removing a domain zone
21:43<@caker>darkbeholder: fixed
21:43<@caker>gpd: where does it ask you for your Linode's IP?
21:44<gpd>doesn't - just assuming that most A records wil point to linodes
21:44[~]gpd goes down the pub...
21:46<Griswald>Pretty neat chris :)
21:47<@caker>cool :)
21:48<@caker>There will still be a few more features -- duplicate domain, some kind of hooking into named-checkzone
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22:06<Griswald>well, I'm sure it'll save some new people some time from having to setup domains, etc
22:07<Griswald>eventually I guess you'll have you're own cpanel type thing built into nodes XD
22:08<@caker>I'd prefer to stay out of node configs
22:08<@caker>I'm sure the dns thing will help .. hopefully what we deploy on the ns side will be pretty robust
22:14[~]warewolf wonders what package from amazon showed up
22:15<warewolf> Delivery estimate: June 7, 2006 - June 8, 2006
22:15<warewolf> Delivery estimate: June 12, 2006 - June 14, 2006
22:15<warewolf>can you ship any later amazon?
22:15[~]warewolf has 4 packages in route of camera shit
22:18<@caker>prepare for some Linode LOC statistics:
22:18<@caker>Pre Launch (by a few weeks):
22:18<@caker>14,672 total lines of ColdFusion code in 189 files
22:18<@caker>1,712 lines of PERL code in 7 files
22:18<@caker>33856 lines of ColdFusion code in 371 files
22:19<@caker>4390 lines of PERL code in 13 files (roughly)
22:20<warewolf>btw, it is "Perl" not "PERL". Yes I am a stickler.
22:20<@caker>WAREWOLF: OK
22:20<@caker>it's an acronym, hence the uppercase
22:21<warewolf>it is not.
22:21[~]warewolf searches perfaq(insert number here)
22:21<warewolf> What's the difference between "perl" and "Perl"?
22:21<warewolf> One bit. Oh, you weren't talking ASCII? :-) Larry now uses "Perl" to
22:21<warewolf> signify the language proper and "perl" the implementation of it, i.e.
22:21[~]caker doesn't care
22:21<warewolf>But never write "PERL", because perl is not an acronym , apocryphal folklore and post-facto expansions notwithstanding.
22:21[~]caker uses his RADAR detector
22:22<warewolf>perlfaq1, FWIW
22:23[~]warewolf shuffles loads of mail around on his linode, probally generating a lot of io
22:24<warewolf>oh nuts
22:24<warewolf>that's what made my stats script break
22:24<warewolf>I'm running 2.6 now on my linode
22:24[~]warewolf wasn't before
22:26[~]warewolf reboots
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22:28<warewolf>taking quite a while for it to reboot from the website
22:29<warewolf2>and there it just died
22:30<warewolf2>in a not-so-very-nice way
22:30<@caker>warewolf: yeah, known bug :(
22:30[~]caker looks into it
22:31<warewolf2>yeah it looked awefully like a 300s emergency timer hit and -9'd the uml process or something
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22:32<warewolf2>my stats script works again.
22:33<warewolf2>now my graphs will not be broken.
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22:57[~]warewolf kicks amazon
22:58<warewolf>why can't I combine orders that havn't shipped yet, doof.
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23:02<warewolf>I'm suprised how level my io rate graph is on RML now
23:02<warewolf>for the past two months it's pretty much the same
23:16<@caker>warewolf: fixed
23:20<fo0bar>he reduced it down to 0
---Logclosed Sat Jun 03 00:00:01 2006