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---Logopened Fri Aug 25 00:00:41 2006
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03:14<lucca>caker / mikegrb: hm, more datapoints on the sleep/select delay problem I had that wasn't fixed by reboot-to-latest-kernel
03:15<lucca>sleep 150 (or anything less) returns instantly
03:15<lucca>sleep 151 waits one second
03:15<lucca>sleep 152 waits two seconds
03:15<lucca>etc, linearly up from there, as far as I've tested
03:15<lucca>hm, no off by one on that
03:16<lucca>it seems to sleep for n-151
03:16<lucca>e.g. vmstat 1 scrolls furiously byt vmstat 152 works like vmstat 1 should.
03:16<lucca>loadavg increases with the number of processes blocked on select(), but cpu load doesn't rise at all.
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08:20<@linbot>New news from forums: I am ROFLing here! in General Discussion <>
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08:56<@linbot>wferrel: Linode100 - 0, Linode150 - 0, Linode200 - 0, Linode300 - 0, Linode400 - 0
08:57<wferrel>so sad... :)
08:57<bendy24>but i bet the owner is happy
08:58<bendy24>he cant build servers fast enough
08:58<ximbiot>that would be caker? ;)
08:58<ximbiot>or the owners of the linodes. :)
09:04<Kurt>clearly, they need to raise their prices
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09:08[~]ximbiot throws a burlap bag over Kurts head then begins beeting him with a tire iron.
09:09[~]bendy24 joins in
09:11<ximbiot>i have a crowbar too, if anyone would like to borrow it.
09:11[~]ximbiot kicks Kurt a few times.
09:20<ximbiot>bendy24, doesn't caker pay your husband? why are you helping me beat Kurt?
09:20<wferrel>ximbiot: cuz he suggested caker raise prices...
09:21[~]wferrel Grabs his trusty Louiseville Slugger
09:21<npmr>ha ha bendy24 + mikegrb
09:22<ximbiot>wferrel, yes, that's why I'm beating Kurt, and why, I must admit, it appeared to me that bendy24 was beating him, but unless i'm mistaken, bendy24 is married to mikegrb.
09:22<ximbiot>and i *think* mikegrb gets paid. :)
09:22<npmr>you are mistaken
09:22<npmr>that's why it's funny
09:22[~]ximbiot goes to check the logs.
09:23<ximbiot>thought someone told bendy24 to go wake him once. that they were in the same house...
09:23<npmr>it's possible that they've been in the same house
09:23<npmr>but mikegrb is married to heidi
09:23<npmr>and heidi often wakes him for people
09:23<ximbiot>probably i just forgot who was who. it's been awhile.
09:24<ximbiot>sorry bendy24 . :)
09:24<ximbiot>thanks for the help. :)
09:25<npmr>also, if you had a kid that was born during a hurricane, you'd seriously consider using the name of the hurricane as the kid's middle name, right?
09:25<ximbiot>heh. depends how bad the hurricane was. why?
09:26<npmr>hurricane ivan
09:26<npmr>mikegrb's kid
09:27<ximbiot>heh. ivan flooded my basement.
09:27<ximbiot>when i still lived in PA.
09:27[~]bendy24 beats ximbiot
09:27<bendy24>my husband?
09:27<npmr>ha ha
09:28<bendy24>mikegrb is my wife
09:28<bendy24>get it right
09:28<ximbiot>sorry. bad memory. somehow got you and heidi confused. probably because i haven't seen heidi speak in awhile.
09:31[~]ximbiot covers his head with his arms.
09:32<ximbiot>bendy24, alright, that's enough. we need to get back to beating Kurt.
09:33<Kurt>ximbiot: well, that's how you cure shortages when you can't raise production
09:33<ximbiot>heh. :)
09:34<wferrel>so, how many servers are they up to these days?
09:36<Kurt>wferrel: CUBS WIN! CUBS WIN! CUBS WIN!
09:37<npmr>--- ping statistics ---
09:37<npmr>1 packets transmitted, 1 packets received, 0% packet loss
09:37<npmr>--- ping statistics ---
09:37<npmr>1 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss
09:37[~]wferrel Grabs the kevlar bag he keeps handy for these situations, drops it over Kurt's head and starts working with the bat again.
09:37<wferrel>npmr: thanks... Just checked that too...
09:38<Kurt>wferrel: maybe I'll get Sean Connery to insult you
09:38<Kurt>wferrel: are you a Trojan cheerleader?
09:39<wferrel><-- is totally lost now.
09:40<ximbiot>what's sean connery have to do with anything?
09:40<ximbiot>and who are the Trojans?
09:41<wferrel>ok, I'm glad I'm not the only one who's confused.
09:43<npmr>just keep beating him
09:43<npmr>it was lame
09:46<Kurt>wferrel: is your name not a reference to Will Ferrel?
09:46<wferrel>no, it would be a reference to my name... :)
09:47<npmr>besides Mr. William Ferrell of Saturday Night Live fame has more "l"s
09:48<wferrel>yup, poor guy doesn't know how to spell his name...
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10:17<bendy24>mikegrb: make me some food
10:17<@mikegrb>mmm cake
10:17<ximbiot>bendy24, do you like cake?
10:17<ximbiot>sorry. couldn't resist.
10:17<bendy24>of course
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11:11<@linbot>New news from forums: SYN attack? in General Discussion <>
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11:43<wferrel>mikegrb: you still lurking?
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11:51<@mikegrb>mmm cake
11:51<ximbiot>mikegrb, want some cake?
11:51<@mikegrb>mmm cake
11:51<ximbiot>mikegrb, want some cake?
11:51<@mikegrb>mmm cake
11:51<ximbiot>mikegrb, want some cake?
11:51<@mikegrb>mmm cake
11:51<ximbiot>mikegrb, want some cake?
11:52<wferrel>sigh... fooled by the bot
11:53<ximbiot>sometimes it's mikegrb and sometimes he talks. he just has some automated responses too.
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12:16<bendy24>mikegrb is a script kiddie
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13:12<Narada>hi; i had a quick question about my gentoo linode; i'm getting segfaults when i emerge packages; is this due to insufficient memory; how can i address it
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13:14<Narada>it happens on many different packages; often when you re-emerge the same package it works
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13:19<mdh>Out of curiosity, does anyone here work for LiNode?
13:20<npmr>caker and mikegrb do
13:20<npmr>in that order
13:22<afv-13>so mikegrb is always late?
13:22<JasonF>mikegrb just does less work, duh!
13:22<npmr>a day late and a dollar short
13:26<Narada>how's xen going btw; when is it due to go public
13:26<Narada>not been keeping up
13:27<npmr>they say that they're ready to bring it online, but xen isn't
13:28<npmr>still some showstopper bugs, i guess
13:28<npmr>as far as caker is concerned
13:29<bendy24>yeah, it wasnt the greatest experiance for me
13:29<bendy24>i had a beta xennode
13:29<JasonF>I'm using xen at work... it works, but it's not perfect
13:30<bendy24>just not quite as mature as UML
13:32<Narada>i see
13:33<Narada>bendy24: what problems did you have (briefly)
13:33<bendy24>at first the host needed to be rebooted quite a bit
13:33<bendy24>my node didnt always startup
13:34<bendy24>and other times it would be "off" for no reason
13:35<Narada>that sounds quite serious
13:35<Narada>not sure i want to migrate in that case
13:35<bendy24>apparently it was just me, so, who knows?
13:35<bendy24>i ended up moving back to a uml node
13:37[~]bendy24 bish-slaps Battousai
13:38<ximbiot>linbot, roulette
13:38<@linbot>ximbiot: *click*
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14:08<npmr>Aug 25 15:08:14 dorothy postfix/smtpd[20038]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from unknown[]: 554 <>: Relay access denied; from=<> to=<> proto=ESMTP helo=<>
14:08<npmr>ha ha brazil
14:14<npmr>also, (postfix address verification)++
14:14<efudd>Mmap.xs: In function `XS_Mmap_mmap':
14:14<efudd>Mmap.xs:138: error: `sv_undef' undeclared (first use in this function)
14:14[~]efudd sighs
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14:18<efudd>one has to compile it with POLLUTE=1
14:57<ximbiot>everyone is always polluting. don't they care abhout the world their children will inherit?
14:58<afv-13>it could be worse
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15:11<rko>did something just happen to host53?
15:11<IntuiWorx>I think so, I'm on it and my Linode is dead.
15:12<rko>it's .1 gateway pings, but host itself (.14) doesn't
15:13<rko>I will open a ticket
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15:14<IntuiWorx>Actually I already did, if you haven't already ...
15:14<IntuiWorx>Of course, the more, the merrier ...
15:14<rko>yep :-)
15:15<rko>ok, .14 pings
15:15<rko>got the console
15:15<rko>but there's nothing running yet
15:16<IntuiWorx>They must have already rebooted it ...
15:16<IntuiWorx>That was fast. :-)
15:16<rko>they usually get notified pretty quick
15:16<rko>Host53 became unresponsive and was rebooted. Linodes are coming up now.
15:16<rko>quick indeed :-)
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15:20<@linbot>New news from forums: Reboot: host53 in System and Network Status <>
15:22<Battousai>i blame mikegr's missing b
15:24<rko>ok my linode is rebooting
15:25<IntuiWorx>Any of you folks running Gentoo and have to go through several boot-shutdown cycles to get it past "VFS: Mounted root (ext3 filesystem) readonly."?
15:25<IntuiWorx>Mine started that craziness on Wed., and I'd love to track down the source of the problem ...
15:26<rko>let me guess, you need to fsck your root filesystem
15:26<rko>it doesn
15:26<IntuiWorx>No, that's not the problem ... thought it was the first time I encountered it, so I rebooted into Finnix and ran fsck ... and the fs was clean.
15:26<afv-13>i had that with debian once, fsck end up being clean and problem doesn't go away
15:28<rko>look for any other errors before that line...
15:28<npmr>did you run "fsck" or "fsck -f"?
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15:29<IntuiWorx>npmr: ran without -f
15:29<botah>I am trying to learn if a linode VPS will work for me better than my current VPS server is there anybody from LInode who can help w/ this sales question
15:29<npmr>ext2 and ext3 (probably most others) have a flag in the superblock which indicates whether the filesystem was cleanly unmounted
15:29<afv-13>botah: maybe we can help?
15:30<rko>what is your current provider botah_
15:30<npmr>by default, fsck looks at that flag and if it says clean, then fsck says the filesystem is clean
15:30<botah>specifically... will my download speeds be faster than my current vps and will i be able to get more memory cheaply
15:30<botah>current provier ==
15:30<botah>curent site ==
15:30<IntuiWorx>rko: Only errors I see are "unknown partition table" for ubda & ubdb ... but I *think* I get those on a normal boot anyway ... though that seems odd.
15:30<npmr>with -f, fsck will ignore that flag in the superblock and check the filesystem anyway
15:30<botah>I am noticing tha my downloads are slower than i want like 40KB/s
15:30<npmr>this is important when a buggy kernel messes up your data, but sets that flag to true
15:30<IntuiWorx>npmr: ok, I'll try running it that way, thanks ...
15:31<afv-13>vpscenter is kinda expensive
15:31<rko>well, botah, as soon as my site is up I can tell you what my download speeds are... just give me something I can test with
15:31<npmr>IntuiWorx, that "unknown partition table" is normal in UML
15:31<botah>well i got 500mgs of memory bundled in with VPS for 29$
15:31<npmr>IntuiWorx, it's because your block devices are *not* partitioned
15:32<botah>ive been there for 2 years and they gave it to me a long tim ago
15:32<botah>java servers (resin and tomcat) with my stuff running need about 256 min
15:32<botah>but I dont need much bandwith(just fast) nor CPU nor disk...
15:32<botah>So i really only consume memory
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15:33<botah>so... i am trying to find out if linode can customize a setup so i only pay for memory and not disk and other stuff
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15:34<rko>I guess you could buy chepest linode and then buy extra memory
15:34<botah>y but still more than what i pay now
15:34<rko>although you'll quickly pay same as you would for next level
15:34<botah>anybody from Linode here
15:34<botah>ive left like 3 v-mails to the sales dudes
15:34<botah>no responses yet
15:35<rko>they have phone?
15:35<rko>I didn't even know
15:35<botah>y on the bottom of the main page
15:35<botah>probably nobody answers it
15:35<rko>oh :-)
15:35<rko>yep, they're techies, not really sales people
15:36<botah>so... what are people seeing for download speeds?
15:36<botah>anyhosted sites that you can point me to and I can snoop your downloads of images and css?
15:36<afv-13>lemme find something to download
15:36<TheFirst>each host is on 100mbit that's your burst...
15:39<botah>if I buy type of linode... and I upgrade... can they move my files and stuff onto the new server automatically?
15:40<TheFirst>you'd be given a button to do it at your own convenience
15:40<TheFirst>click and it does the work
15:40<afv-13>Length: 29,263,872 (28M) [application/octet-stream]
15:40<afv-13>14% [==========> ] 4,147,072 199.44K/s ETA 00:55
15:40<afv-13>hovering around that now
15:40<afv-13>dropped to 225
15:40<botah>better than what i got w/ vpscenter
15:41<afv-13>and done
15:41<rko>which file is that?
15:41<rko>I can usually get much better than that
15:41<afv-13>something i'm downloading at home
15:41<afv-13>gparted livecd
15:41<rko>oh, home
15:41<afv-13>no, that on my linode
15:42<afv-13>i'm _also_ downloading at home
15:42<rko>100%[====================================>] 3,291,283 992.40K/s
15:42<rko>that was a file from to my linode
15:43<afv-13>which dc?
15:43<afv-13>maybe sourceforge is slow
15:44<rko>try this:
15:44<rko>yes, sf is slow
15:44<rko>that was my reference file
15:44<Kurt>use vim, dumbass
15:44<rko>I'm getting anythign between 700k-1.05M
15:44<botah>but doesnt that just show download speeds to your server? Im interested in upload speeds
15:45<rko>yes, just downstream with that test
15:45<afv-13>my connection at home is 64k isdn so that won't be a good indication
15:48<rko>13:48:26 (487.21 KB/s) - `leim-21.2.tar.gz.3' saved [3291283/3291283]
15:48<rko>that was from my linode to my work
15:48<rko>but the bottleneck might also be on this side
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15:52<botah>can somebody remind me how to get 'apt-get' to show a list of packages I can install?
15:52<botah>ive run apt-get upgrade
15:52<botah>and I want to intall mysql
15:52<TheFirst>apt-cache search?
15:52<botah>thats it
15:53<botah>hey is there an easy way to get a LAMP server running?
15:53<TheFirst>or apt-file search
15:53<rko>botah, btw, I believe you can open linode account and then if you're not happy with it you can get refunded
15:53<TheFirst>botah: install and configure it?
15:53<rko>within some time period of course
15:53<TheFirst>but question if you really need some of it or can go with less resource heavy options
15:53<botah>i just got started with Ubunto 6.06
15:56<botah>so if i want mysql server and the client libs... for 4.1 is it best to run apt-get mysql-server-4.1 and then run apt-get mysql-client-4.1
15:56<botah>w/ instal option i mean
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16:04<botah>how can i find a package for apache 1.3?
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17:22<greggy>what's he's deal today? :)
17:22<Eman>goddamn he, i was just compiling stuff
17:23<greggy>it seemed to do exactly this for about 2 minutes earlier today, so probably patience will reward us
17:23<greggy>... someday
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17:24<Narada_>hi my linode just went offline after behaving very strangely; any problems that are known right now?
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17:25<taupehat>argh, what happened there?
17:25<taupehat>network burp?
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17:25<taupehat>hosting provider
17:26<taupehat>14 ( 63.436 ms 58.090 ms 57.609 ms
17:26<taupehat>15 ( 90.550 ms 90.542 ms 90.922 ms
17:26<taupehat>16 * * *
17:26<taupehat>17 * * *
17:26<TheFirst>yah what happened...been happening all day for me
17:26<Narada_>i can login into host10 but cannot ssh into my linode
17:26<Narada_>from outside or from inside
17:27<Narada_>linode has also gone offline
17:27<internat>did something die? my mobile just got notified that my linode is down
17:27<taupehat>everyone's here...
17:27[~]Narada_ breaths a sigh of relief.
17:27<taupehat>I had a burp happen a minute ago where I couldn't connect to my 'node
17:27<TheFirst>nasty pings at and once things get into he
17:27<taupehat>but it went away
17:28<Narada_>is it just a case of waiting?
17:28<Eman>its back for me
17:28<TheFirst> 6 ( 185.175 ms ( 194.971 ms ( 195.041 ms
17:28<taupehat>somoene tripped over a cable or something
17:28<Narada_>still can't ssh
17:28<Narada_>maybe reboot
17:29<taupehat>rebooting won't fix a bad network connection
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17:29<TheFirst>reboot is what it took to fix that when i had the problem a few days ago (could get into lish but not ssh)
17:29<Narada_>i'll just wait
17:29<Narada_>oh really:?
17:29<internat>what host are u on
17:29<internat>yeah well im on 47 and i cant access mine
17:30<TheFirst>but mine wasnt just ssh
17:30<internat>so a reboot isnt the issue ::)
17:30<TheFirst>any traffic to the node wasn't getting through...
17:30<internat>mine is ev erything
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17:30<TheFirst>there was a switch problem the other day...maybe the same thing again?
17:30<internat>mine is back
17:30<internat>anyone elses?
17:30<TheFirst>if i'm here, mine's back ;)
17:31<TheFirst>and if i'm not here, then caker should be watching his back :P
17:31<Narada_>any idea why ssh keeps repeatedly refusing me
17:31<TheFirst>Narada_: is it refusing everything or just ssh?
17:32<Narada_>webserving is back; ssh is still down
17:32<greggy>it's back now yay
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17:33<Narada_>it keeps saying "Login timed out after 60 seconds" when i tried from lish
17:33<Narada_>and from outside "Connection closed by <ip>"
17:33<Narada_>i'm in big trouble if i can't even get in]
17:33<TheFirst>put a ticket in?
17:34<Narada_>hmm maybe
17:34<Narada_>i'll try a quick reboot if doesn't work then i'll file a ticket
17:35<Narada_>it's strange how it says timed out after 60 seconds after less than a second
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17:41<Narada_>boot process has brought up some error messages; might try to address those
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17:43<Narada_>what's the linode network configuration? is it dhcp?
17:44<Eman>dhcp + magic
17:44<Battousai>black magic
17:44<Battousai>except for additional IPs
17:44<Battousai>that's static
17:44<Battousai>and white magic i guess
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17:48<Narada_>okay i've in a loop; the boot process is saying no dhcp client installed (all of a sudden) but i can't install one because net.eth0 won't come up
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17:49<Narada_>any suggestions?
17:49<npmr>staticly configure your network interface
17:50<Narada_>with what details
17:50<Narada_>the details are in my linode admin?
17:50<npmr>they sure are
17:50<Narada_>really odd how this is happening now and it's been fine for all this time
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17:52<erikh>did host53 reboot earlier today?
17:52<TheFirst>Narada_: actually that's making senese to me...would explain the problems i had the other day...and given the issues they had it kinda makes sense
17:52<npmr>erikh, yes
17:52<Narada_>okay statically configured eth0, went online and now installing dhcpcd dhcp client
17:53<Narada_>should work on next restart of interface
17:53<npmr>you don't need it anymore
17:53<Narada_>well i do if i want to use dhcp
17:53<npmr>you're staticly configured!
17:54<Narada_>no no; i didn't configure any files; i did a manual one time series of commands
17:54<Narada_>so it's temporary until the next reboot i think
17:54<npmr>in that case, yes
17:54<npmr>why not make it permanent?
17:54<Narada_>i will; if dhcp doesn't work this time
17:55<Narada_>also have to look up the new syntax for /etc/conf.d/net
17:56<Narada_>woohoo ... eth0 coming up fine; now to test ssh in a minute
17:56<Narada_>yep all back to normal
17:57<Narada_>now ... how the heck did dhcp suddenly stop working and the dhcp client go missing ... i will never know
17:57<TheFirst>maybe you did an update that uninstalled dhcpcd
17:58<Narada_>gosh no ... thank god portage doesn't work like that
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17:58<Narada_>it only uninstalls an older dhcpcd if you upgrade to a newer one
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18:01<Narada_>anyway thanks a lot for your help guys; i'm just relieved that everything's back up
18:03<erikh>npmr: hmm, was it planned, or should I expect more of these RSN? :)
18:04<erikh>ah, there it is in the forums
18:04<npmr>i believe it was an anomaly
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18:33<Sythim>I am curious why my Linode console says I am using 100% of my disk while df says i have 29% used
18:38<Battousai>you've _allocated_ 100% of your account's disk space
18:38<Battousai>that's what the linode thing looks at
18:38<Battousai>it pays no heed to the filesystem itself
18:43<Sythim>thats what i figured
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19:16<caker-web2>everything going ok?
19:18<caker-web2>hmm, not seeing anything
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19:39<internat>down again?
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20:24<encode>i cant reach my linode from one of my home dsl links
20:26<encode>traceroute ends at
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22:24<internat>i cant get my linode or any of the linlodes
22:26<internat>im assuming im not the only one with thisp roblem?
22:27<TheFirst>hmmm still seeing a nice increase in times once things hit he...~40 to all hops prior ... 90-100 once it hits he
22:28<TheFirst>internat: encode just mentioned the problem
22:28<TheFirst>well a couple hours ago actually
22:29<internat>pretty much once i get out of the singtel ix link i loose all my packets :(
22:36<internat>hmms me thinks im going to need to get a mail backup somewhere that is not in the he center
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22:49[~]tuppa can't connect to host46, and can't connect to linode website to submit a ticket
22:49<tuppa>(I do have the tracepath output here though)
22:50<Eman>works from here...
22:50[~]tuppa is in .au
22:51[~]tuppa points to the above URL for tracepath output
22:51<tuppa>as I said, I can't even connect to the linode website to submit the ticket
22:51<tuppa>some backbone router must be dead
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23:05<internat>tuppa me to mate, i cant get to antything
23:06<internat>i cant get to anything after i get otu of optus/singtels links
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23:10[~]tuppa uses tor to submit a ticket
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23:45<tuppa>I guess caker or mikegrb is asleep atm
23:55<internat>err submit a ticket to what?
23:56<internat> is down, so i imagine u cant log a ticket via the normal ways :P
23:56<internat>but im sure that caker/mikegrb would have been paged when it went down
23:56<Eman>it aint down :p
23:56<tuppa> is up
23:56<tuppa>it's the link between me and which is down
23:56[~]tuppa hugs tor
23:57<internat>what is tor?
23:57<internat>well that is true
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