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#linode IRC Logs for 2011-01-06

---Logopened Thu Jan 06 00:00:02 2011
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00:00<HoopyCat>bss: that assumes you have a real MTA somewhere else, you know where it is, and you know how to get mail to it
00:00<amitz>kapeels: does monit have an smtp server that can send email? Or monit simply call an external smtp server to send the email?
00:00<kapeels>amitz: latter
00:03<bob2>I love livejournal fanfic
00:03<Peng|>The only LJ fanfic I've read is that Tetris lemon. (I'm not into fanfic.)
00:03<Peng|> really bad one, I think?
00:03<bss>HoopyCat: true enough
00:03<bss>Peng|: wait, the tetris lemon *isn't* the bad one?
00:03<amitz>kapeels: now, what kind of mechanism is provided to call an external smtp server (MTA)? Which MTAyou're familiar with that provides that service?
00:03-!-Netsplit <-> quits: m3lawren, hiro_dSn, @lmatos, warren, stitch, @Perihelion, sorressean, HIghoS, nDuff, jvaughan, (+26 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them)
00:03<bob2>don't forget
00:03<HoopyCat>oh wait i always get that one confused with isitchristmas
00:03<Peng|>Heh, reflowing a zillion times for Mibbit to render a netsplit seems to make Firefox a little unhappy for a couple seconds.
00:03-!-Netsplit over, joins: @Perihelion, @irgeek, @caker, bd_, @tychoish, @lmatos, stitch, lxsg, warren, sorressean (+26 more)
00:03-!-mode/#linode [+v Perihelion] by ChanServ
00:03-!-mode/#linode [+v tychoish] by ChanServ
00:03-!-mode/#linode [-o lmatos] by ChanServ
00:03<SleePy>oh geez :o
00:04<kapeels>amitz: i think monit uses "default" MTA setup on system
00:04<kapeels>the man page reads - "If the MTA (mail server) for sending alerts is not available, Monit can queue events on the local file-system until the MTA recover"
00:05<amitz>kapeels: if that is how it is worded, then you need to set up an MTA properly, however fedore does that.
00:06<kapeels>so MTA comes installed with Fedora? I think I just need to put my google apps account details,then
00:06<warren>still no way to force poweroff your linode
00:06<kapeels>amitz: ^
00:06<warren>it is polite and waits 2-3 minutes
00:07<@ericoc>warren: there's destroy in lish, i believe
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00:09<warren>ericoc, from the web panel?
00:09<amitz>assuming you have an MTA installed properly, well, I don't know the actual function of MTA so I must stop atm. But basically just glue everything so that everything is connected.
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00:10<amitz>s/function/behavior and communication method/
00:11<HoopyCat>warren: engage the ajax console, ctrl-a, d, destroy, enter :-)
00:11<@ericoc>what hoopycat said :P
00:12<amitz>kapeels: googling indicates that MTA sends data as SMTP. So yeah, set up your munit to use google apps SMTP server. Your MTA will do the communication details.
00:13<bob2>that's the opposite of having your mta do the communication
00:13<amitz>mm wait...
00:13<warren>oh man, my brain is fuzzy
00:13<warren>I cna't remember the command tells you the current running kernel
00:13<warren>ahh uname
00:13<warren>oh man
00:13<warren>my brain is toast
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00:16<amitz>kapeels: ah, bob is right. hmm, I will have to google more for certainty but it seems you have to set up your local MTA to relay email to your google app.
00:17<kapeels>i'm trying that amitz bob2
00:18<@heckman>sleep o/
00:18<amitz>kapeels: so just go ahead and do?
00:18*amitz buries heckman
00:18*kapeels helps amitz
00:19<linbot>SelfishMan: Point (0.94310704, 0.39954662) falls outside of the unit circle. Hits: 17561 of 22340 (π ≈ 3.144315129811996 - 0.002722476222203)
00:19*amitz leaves a cellphone, a torch light, and a snake inside the coffin.
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00:21*kapeels checks if the cellphone has internet connection..
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00:27<asialove11>any administrator here? support here?
00:27<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
00:27<linbot>If you have a question, please just ask it. Don't look for topic experts. Don't ask to ask. Don't PM! Don't ask if people are awake, or in the mood to help. Just ask the question straight out.
00:27<linbot>SelfishMan: Yo momma's so pedantic, she opened a trouble ticket to request a correction to a previous yo momma joke (725:0/0) [ommru]
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00:28<SelfishMan>!urmom vote up 725
00:28<linbot>SelfishMan: Voted up 725 [momru]
00:28<asialove11>if linode have contol pannel?
00:28<bob2>for the vps, sure
00:28<SelfishMan>asialove11: define "control panel"
00:28<bob2>if you want cpanel or whatever, you're welcome to buy it
00:28<asialove11>ok, thanks
00:28<asialove11>just bought a vps account, test it now..thanks
00:29<amitz>kapeels: oh, I misread. You didn't require the use of google app. Never mind the relay thingie.
00:29<kapeels>amitz: right :)
00:30<asialove11>— pending activation —??
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00:34<warren>anyone know heckman's work e-mail off hand?
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00:35<SelfishMan>why are you emailing him?
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00:35<warren>newguy, you serious?
00:36<warren>SelfishMan, following up something he asked me about
00:36<SelfishMan>warren: oh, so not a support ticket type thing
00:36<SelfishMan>I vote for gratuitous hilighting until he tells you
00:37<linbot>heckman: Yo momma's so stupid, she thought Conflicker was real! (771:0/0) [mmrou]
00:37<bob2>hilights of who? heckman?
00:37<amitz>highlight.. hilight.. hmm
00:37<linbot>amitz: There is no need for a prescription. Your remedy can be filled here
00:37<Peng|>bob2: No, use a highlighter to draw on his Mom
00:38<bob2>who's mom? heckman's?
00:38<Peng|>bob2: Everyone's moms!
00:38*SelfishMan is confused
00:38<Peng|>Erk, asialove11 left.
00:38<warren>his support ticket name is theckman
00:39<warren>I wonder if those names match their e-mail addresses
00:39<SelfishMan>Peng|: we couldn't help much anyway
00:39<Peng|>Hope he/she/it checks his/her/its inbox for the activation email.
00:39*Peng| goes to bed, maybe.
00:39*SelfishMan is in a relationship with urmom
00:39*SelfishMan is going to turn IRC into facebook
00:39<amitz>question like asialove11 always freezes me. Not sure if the whole non-response from op is part of a test...
00:40<SelfishMan>amitz: if the ops are around they will respond
00:40<SelfishMan>if not then a support ticket should be opened
00:41<amitz>SelfishMan: ticket can't be opened if pending activation, iirc.
00:41<SelfishMan>amitz: sure they can. email
00:41<@caker>he was activated in like 10 seconds
00:42<amitz>caker: oh, 10 seconds from registration or from asking in #linode?
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00:45<amitz>well, I guess when someone asks similar question, I should suggest him/her to email .
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00:55<rlankfo>anyone successfully running openfiler on linode?
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01:00<celthunder> ls
01:01<pharaun>rm -rf /
01:01<celthunder>lol sorry clicked the channel never clicked off
01:02<mbreslin>double lulz
01:02<pharaun>amitz: nice :-p
01:02<pharaun>well whelp, i just bought a xbox
01:02<mbreslin>i was just playing ilomilo
01:02<amitz>pharaun: but yours is funnier, if you type it in the wrong window :-D
01:03<pharaun>amitz: heh i make *very* certain that it was my irssi window :-p
01:03<mbreslin>/exec rm -rf /
01:05<opello>/say /exec rm -rf /
01:05<Void|work>does rm -rf go alphabetically?
01:05<mbreslin>what does that do?
01:06<mbreslin>oh crap brb redeployiiiiiiiiiiiing
01:14<amitz>Void|work: that's a very concerning question... :-p
01:15<mbreslin>you can do man rm or you can try it and come back and tell us
01:15<mbreslin>the second one seems much more entertaining on my end
01:16<Void|work>i've always been meaning to get around to testing that in a vm
01:23<opello>i expect ls -1 / would match
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01:50<kapeels>anybody know how to downgrade the packages that were updated the last time?
01:50<kapeels>a command for that.. i know I can check the logs and downgrade them "manually"
01:51<bob2>not easily
01:51<bob2>what did you do
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01:52<Marius>$10 something wasn't tested before upgrading on a production box!
01:54<kapeels>it's not in production right now.. i am still developing it
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01:54<amitz>Marius: I will give you my paypal information.
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01:55<bob2>so fix your php code
01:55<kapeels>the error doesnt makes any sense .. the line to which it is referring to in my code is a comment..
01:57<kapeels>bob2: what do you want me to show?
01:58<Marius>the code
01:59<kapeels> -- those are the first 9 lines..
02:00<Marius>a shebang in a php file o_O
02:00<Marius>that's a new one
02:00<kapeels>this is probably a bug in some core package.. TC_STRING.. never heard of it.
02:01<chris>I didn't know people actually used php for shell scripting
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02:03<kapeels>chris: well, now you do :-)
02:03<Marius>I've done it once, but I've never done it with a shebang, that's completely unheard of for me
02:03<Marius>and it was more of a "add a cronjob to an existing web feature to make sure stuff is up to date"
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02:05<Marius>Holy crap it's thursday already :|
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02:26<weechat3>anyone here with an eggdrop feeling like helping a noob ? :)
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02:28<Internat>depends whats dead ;)
02:28<pkiller>dcc chat
02:28<pkiller>i trie /dcc chat botname ... and i get the screen waiting....
02:29<pkiller>maybe i overlooked something
02:29<pkiller>do i also have to specify a port on wich i want to dcc? or does it do automaticaly?
02:30<pkiller>i am not new at this its just been 12 years :) since my last eggdrop
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02:31<kapeels>ok people .. monit is up and running
02:31<kapeels>but mail isn't working ..
02:31<kapeels>Sendmail: error receiving data from the mailserver '' -- Interrupted system call
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02:33<pkiller>Internat: any ideas?
02:34<Internat>you behind a firewall at your end?
02:35<pkiller>i am trying to connect from the server the bot is on
02:35<pkiller>this weechat runs from the same server the boot is on :)
02:35<pkiller>i didnt put any firewalls
02:36<Internat>oh, so your client and your egg are on the server? not chat server, but client server?
02:37<pkiller>the server the egg and the client are on the same server
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02:38<pkiller>the server the egg and the client are on the same server :)
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02:39<thorrr>anyone familiar with apahce ant? what are those 2 **'s for in say "<include name="**/*.java"/>"
02:39<thorrr>i have been looking at the docs for like an hour trying to find out what that means
02:40<pkiller>Internat: maybe #set my-hostname ""
02:40<pkiller>#set my-ip ""
02:40<pkiller>maybe the bot doesnt know who it is?
02:40<Internat>whats the bot log say?
02:41<pkiller>uh... wait let me check again
02:42<SelfishMan>thorrr: '**' matches zero or more characters
02:42<pkiller>[08:32:57] Refused DCC chat (no access): kiki!weechat@bla.bla.bla
02:43<thorrr>SelfishMan: regex style?
02:43<SelfishMan>(across directory levels)
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02:44<SelfishMan>no, '**/*.java' would match './', './foo/', './foo/bar/', etc
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02:44<SelfishMan>I wouldn't really call it regex style
02:45<thorrr>SelfishMan: hmm, okay i think i get it. thanks
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03:08<Marius>Call forwarding over cellphones is AWESOME!
03:11<Internat>guess you know why you coudlnt connect
03:11<Internat>sorry i got distracted by work phone
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03:24<pkiller>yea i found it... my hostmask was all strange :)
03:24<pkiller>forgot about that part
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03:43<amitz>Marius: and consumes your minute?
03:43<Marius>nope, it's a free service
03:43<Marius>the call is actually diverted form my phone and onto the next persons phone
03:44<amitz>oh, well, that's good then
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03:51<shawnps>I have a python process that is OOMing, anyone know if there's a way to limit the memory usage of the process?
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04:26<Internat>i really wish they would come up with a proper mechanism for fowarding sms's
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04:36<Marius>Thye don't have one?
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04:47<Marius>I never think about it, I get all my sms'es sent to my email and my phone
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04:52<thorrr>sms --> email would be cool
04:52<thorrr>but in an integrated way
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04:55<Marius>we have that too here
04:55<Marius>wait, I ment email to sms
04:55<Marius>send an email to 1345678@provider.tld and it forwards
04:55<Internat>yeah i want the other way
04:56<Internat>where is "here" btw?
04:56<Internat>do i understand it right, that in the US, you get charged per sms you receive? rather then what you send?
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05:00<thorrr>heh this sever is going to be kick ass
05:00<thorrr>Dual Xeon E5620 24GB ram
05:00<thorrr>too much ram heh
05:10<Yaakov>thorrr: We've got blades for Cisco UCS with dual six-core Xeons and 384GB or RAM.
05:10<Yaakov>of, too.
05:10<thorrr>Yaakov: mmmmm
05:10<thorrr>this is a gameserver box
05:11<thorrr>i have a feeling the CPU will be maxed well before the ram usage hits 24GB
05:11<Yaakov>That blade serves 160 virtual desktops.
05:13<Yaakov>I want a Linode with 12 cores and 384GB of RAM.
05:14<thorrr>it will only cost 12*384$
05:14<Yaakov>So when I type free -m it shows my using ~100MB and the rest free.
05:14<Yaakov>And .1% of one CPU :)
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05:28<oltmans>Hi guys, I hope you're doing well. I'm a newbie programmer and someone who I respect told me about Linode. My situation is that I need to run a Python script on linode (it's a very small server) and I need to be able to acess from the outside i.e. given a port and a cilent I should be able to access it from anywhere on Internet.
05:28<oltmans>Is this possible on Linode, asking because I've zero Linux experience?
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05:31<thorrr>oltmans: with a linode you are free to do whatever you like with it
05:31<thorrr>you can run whatever services you want
05:32<thorrr>you can run a python script that listens on a port and accepts commands from another client :D
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05:39<Yaakov>oltmans: Short answer is yes, it is trivial. The longer answer is you might want to do it a different way in practice. But in any case, Linode is the right stuff.
05:40<user9242>if i buy 1 month on a linode, can i change the payments process to 1year after the next month?
05:40<Yaakov>user9242: That's always been true in the past, so almost certainly.
05:40<user9242>nice :)
05:41<user9242>thx Yaakov
05:41<thorrr>perhaps i should prepay this node
05:43<oltmans>Thank you, Yaakov adn thorr. One last question, given I don't have Linux experience what should I know in order to run a small Pyhton server on linode? What pre-requisites/linux-commands should I know?
05:44<thorrr>oltmans: Install a distro, read some documentation on securing it, make sure python is installed, and go from there
05:44<Yaakov>oltmans: You will have to understand how to adminster a Linux server. That's a general case. There is no such thing as a "Pyhton server". Your program is simply going to run on the server you set up.
05:45<thorrr>you should also probably read "Linux command line 101"
05:45<Yaakov>oltmans: There is help in getting the basic installation done using "StackScripts", so a lot of the fiddly bits will be done for you.
05:46<Yaakov>oltmans: You will need to know how to add user accounts, apply updates and posssibly to write rules for the firewall.
05:46<Yaakov>I would suggest either Debian or Ubuntu as the distribution. You will find many people here to help with either one.
05:46<thorrr>oltmans: the Linux CLI really is not that bad once you have experimented a bit.
05:47<Yaakov>oltmans: You will be overwhelmed but the variety of things you need to know, at first. In a relatively short time (say 20 hours) you should be comfortable with the basics.
05:47<oltmans>much appreciated guys, really. Thanks a lot. For now, I think I should find and read "linux command line 101" then see what is "stackscripts" and go from there
05:48<Yaakov>oltmans: StackScripts are a Linode-specific feature.
05:48<Yaakov>!library for oltmans
05:48<linbot>Yaakov: timed out
05:48<oltmans>thanks Yaakov and thorr, you're super-helpful
05:49<Yaakov>There is a "Linode Library", lots of good information.
05:49<thorrr>oltmans: you will find that most people here can answer some basic linux questions
05:49<Yaakov>Take a look.
05:49<thorrr>and the library is very helpful
05:49<Yaakov>Sometimes they even answer correctly!
05:49<oltmans>will defintely do
05:51<thorrr>ur a MYSTERIOUS FISH DEATH
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05:51<Yaakov>am not
05:52<thorrr>well, don't say i didnt warn yall./
05:53<Yaakov>Herring Rain was a popular song by The Artist Formerly Known as ♌
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06:02<Internat>*hates deployment nights*
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06:12<Marius>Marius 4 pr0 network engineer!
06:12<Marius>Just set up the new firewall at work xD
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06:14<Internat>where do you work, and whats the ip? ;)
06:15<Marius>Which IP do you want, I've got a whole subnet to choose from!
06:15<Internat>something in the range plz
06:15<Marius> ?
06:15<Marius>I wonder hwo has that
06:16<Internat>the dns on that used to be awesome
06:16<Internat>it used to be resolve to something like. or something like that
06:17<Internat> name =
06:17<Internat>sad when you know what random ip's on the interwebs revser to :(
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06:17<thorrr>omg what is this
06:18<Marius>I was looking for a word or something in the authorative answer section too =(
06:18<thorrr>usually is it lame hack attempts
06:18<Audas>I am assuming I can add entries for more than one domain on the Linode DNS manager, correct?
06:18<thorrr>this looks promising
06:18<Internat>as many as you want Audas
06:19<Yaakov>Marius: I don't think plugging in a Linksys broadband routewr counts as "setting up a firewall".
06:19<Marius>Yaakov, but configuring a proper netgear rack mount firewall does!
06:19<thorrr>getting some *INVALID* messages from my firewall
06:19<thorrr>never got those before
06:19<Marius>although it's no cisco setup =(
06:20<Yaakov>I like Netgear.
06:21<Yaakov>We use the Sisco ASAs, though.
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06:25<Marius>I set up a netgear prosafe gigabit FVS318G
06:26<thorrr>has anyone seen something like this before: ?
06:26<Marius>That's the 2nd one, we have one before this which handles incoming traffic and does DDoS detection etc, and then onwards to a switch, and further to another firewall before hitting the final switch
06:26<warren>Marius, hey
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06:27<Marius>warren, hey
06:27<amitz>hah, urinal game. it's nice to have save game though.
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06:30<amitz>what can i say, i'm young at heart!
06:30<hawk>Does partying like it's 1999 involve gaming in public restrooms?
06:30<@mikegrb>! people still use slackware?!?!
06:31<amitz>SpaceHobo: srs q, what do you read?
06:32<chesty>the sun
06:32<chesty>SpaceHobo: and you read them in irssi?
06:33<chesty>planet was my idea, stolen
06:34<amitz>slashdot still satisfy me, i don't like multiple feeds, takes too much time to even skim.
06:35<Cromulent>I had to reduce the number of feeds I was subscribed to0 to 59 because it was getting out of hand
06:35<amitz>*moving s*
06:35<Cromulent>does anyone have a running gitorious setup here?
06:36<Marius>I do \o/
06:36<Cromulent>SpaceHobo: meh
06:36<Cromulent>butchering the english language is a past time of mine
06:36<amitz>yes, my point Cromulent . i have 12 feeds, 1 international news, 1 slashdot, the rest are comics, blogs, and funs.
06:37<amitz>usually 10 if not for wikileaks.
06:37<Cromulent>Marius: would you say it was worth the setup hassle for a freelance dev sharing git repos with clients?
06:38<bob2>metafilter = party like it's 1998
06:38<Cromulent>small time freelance dev I should say
06:38<bob2>the feel pre-bust
06:39<bob2>fair enough
06:39<Marius>Cromulent, so far I only set up the gitorius, I haven't figured out how to actualyl use it yet xD
06:40<Cromulent>ha :)
06:40<Marius>mostly due ot time constraints though
06:40<bob2>UHOH CLIPSHOW
06:40<bob2>stargate should just not make an episode if they can't afford to film it
06:41<praetorian>stargate should stay cancelled
06:41<Marius>WHAT !?!
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06:41<praetorian>the 3rd ones a leg.
06:41<Marius>I like Stargåte!
06:41<chesty>i'm jake the peg, diddle diddle dum, with me extra arm
06:41<bob2>praetorian: tough but fair
06:41<Marius>Funny thing, you know how they write it STARGÅTE ?
06:41<Marius>"GÅTE" is norwegian for "riddle"
06:42<Marius>star riddle \o/
06:42<praetorian>It's europeanised
06:43<praetorian>!summer goat
06:43<chesty>|o| /o/ \o\ |o|
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06:44<bob2>the engineer from firefly is the doctor on sg:a
06:44<bob2>i think she was better on firefly
06:44<Marius>but she's pretty, I like her :3
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06:45<bob2>I think I liked the LOWER CASE Marius BETTER
06:45*Marius sniffles
06:46<praetorian>you have a penis.
06:48<thorrr>why is the audio out of sync
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06:48<chesty>because sound travels slower than light
06:50<thorrr>the .VOB is fine, but the AVI that dub generates is not :(
06:50<praetorian>wave your left hand
06:50<Crothers>Anybody know why IPv6 doesn't seem to want to work on Linode? any commonly known issues?
06:51<thorrr>Crothers: <-- did you look at that
06:52<chesty>php on linode?
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06:53<Crothers>Oh, I thought Linode had native v6
06:53<Crothers>nvm lol, thanks!
06:54<thorrr>Crothers: it very may well have, thats what i got from google :D
06:54<Crothers>Actually, the more I think about it... how can it have native v6? At least in Dallas, they are in TP/SL, and they just recently picked up v6 routes from SL iirc.
06:55<Crothers>Could be wrong
06:55<Crothers>So they wouldn't now that I think about it.
06:55<Marius>The ydon't have native IPv6 yet
06:55<Marius>It probably own't happen until all facilities have the capabilities (but don't quote me on that)
06:56<chesty>22:55 < Marius> It probably own't happen until all facilities have the capabilities (but don't quote me on that)
06:57<Marius>Why am I not surprised *throws hands in the air*
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07:44<user9242>hi Just wondering if anyone knows on ubuntu how I can install a lower version number of php5 than is currently in the repository?
07:46<Gika>user9242: i don't know why you would do that, but you can, compiling it yourself
07:47<Marius>migrating form a failing server to a new one = booooooooooring
07:47<Gika>or finding an older .deb package (though that may break some dependencies)
07:48<zyro>Hi. Anyone able to help with Redmine? It is working at but not as
07:49<Marius>zyro, sounds like it's set to listen on port 8080, did you try ?
07:49<Marius>alternaatively there are various ways you can forward port 80 to 8080 on a virtual host, depending on what httpd you are running
07:50<zyro>I followed instructions from here:
07:50<Marius>that bit too?
07:50<zyro>yes, all of it
07:51<Marius>What happens when you try visiting ?
07:52<zyro>it opens the default apache ... the one that runs from /var/www
07:52<Marius>sounds like the virtual host isn't set up/isn't set up properly
07:53<zyro>See here and here
07:53<zyro>I did set it as instructed in the articles
07:54<Marius>could you paste your virtualhost for the redmine.* at ?
07:54<zyro>just a moment please
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08:05<zyro>any ideas?
08:05<Marius>Not really
08:05<Marius>did yo uremember to a2ensite it?
08:06<Marius>and you reloaded apache after that
08:08<Marius>Yeah, I'm out of ideas
08:09<zyro>oh, thanks though
08:09<zyro>I guess everything is working fine - just that it is not proxying properly
08:10<Marius>do you have mod_proxy loaded?
08:10<Marius>did yo urestart apache as well?
08:12<zyro>yes, lots of times
08:14<linbot>New news from forums: Nginx banning in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
08:27<chesty>zyro: not sure if it matters, but you got the ServerAdmin line wrong
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08:33<Marius>that would make apache not approve it!
08:34<Marius>But it should also say spo when you try reloading it then
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09:05<jameswilson>could someone help me troubleshoot why i cant connect to port 25, even when 1) postfix's master daemon is listening on that port 2) iptables is configured to accept on port 25?
09:06<jameswilson>i found this:  but i confirmed that its already configured correctly in
09:06<amitz>what's the log say? of postfix.
09:07<jameswilson>but netstat reports that its listening on, i presume that needs to say, correct?
09:07<mwalling>pastebin postconf -n
09:08*mwalling bets you set *_bind_address
09:08<mwalling>or shorter: whats the output of "postconf smtp_bind_address
09:09<jameswilson>its empty
09:10<jameswilson>is it : inet_interfaces = loopback-only
09:10<jameswilson>thats flubbing things up?
09:12<mwalling>yeah, that too
09:12<mwalling>same concept as bind_address
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09:18<jameswilson>mwalling: thanks for pointing me in the right direction
09:19<mwalling>fishing yada yada
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09:21<Yaakov>Well, this is kind of cool:
09:24<Gika>"ideone" means something like "big idea" in italian :D
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09:25<chesty>got to be exploitable
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09:30<Marius>seriously...they have mongolian as one of the first languages to translte into?
09:30<Marius>wtf is up with that xD
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09:32<hawk>Marius: Who?
09:33<Marius>hawk, that ideone site
09:33<hawk>I don't get it
09:34<megatron27>probably someone volunteered
09:34<hawk>Ah, they have it listed as one of the lagnuages they want translations for
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09:36<hawk>(quite likely what megatron27 said, then)
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09:37<Marius>'I want one of those for vacations!
09:37<megatron27>I remember reading once that the programmers on the Windows NT team targeted PowerPCs first
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09:43<@heckman>I find it interested that Microsoft is switching to support ARM. I suspected this would happen a few years ago. Admittedly took longer than I had expected.
09:43<straterra>But they already do with their mobile line
09:43<@heckman>I'm talking about full-fledged Windows.
09:44<mwalling>and people say ms cant pivot
09:44<@jed>chances are it'll fail like alpha did
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09:45<straterra>Only because no one else is going to recompile their apps for ArM
09:48<pharaun>well osX had to deal with the same thing with the PowerPC -> x86
09:48<pharaun>and they were able to successfully pull it off
09:48<@jed>I haven't seen evidence yet that this is a *switch*
09:48<@jed>just another platform that it runs on, a la NT with Alpha and MIPS
09:49<pharaun>jed: i suppose that is a valid point, but what i mean is didn't osX have an emulator that ran the powerPC stuff ?
09:49<@jed>yeah, and it sucked
09:49<pharaun>never used it myself heh but i thought they did ok there
09:50<@jed>it had a lot of issues
09:51<pharaun>I suppose. I wonder if the ARM move is more for targetting the tablet/netbook market more than anything
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09:51<JshWright>There's no way MS is going _away_ from x86 any time soon
09:51*heckman emerges the world
09:52<pharaun>heckman: emerge -avuND world you mean? :-p
09:52<straterra>pharaun: they had an emulation layer too
09:52<straterra>Which sucked
09:52<@heckman>JshWright: Most consumer PCs with Windows 7 are installed with x64
09:52<@heckman>Regardless of their amount of memory
09:52<@heckman>I could imagine "Windows 8" leaving x86 behind.
09:52<JshWright>heckman: I was using 'x86' in the broad sense
09:52<pharaun>yes but isn't x86 & x64 compat.... easier ?
09:52<@heckman>Ah JshWright.
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09:52<straterra>heckman: they've already done it on the server side
09:53<straterra>2008 R2 is x86_64 only, as is the latest version of Exchange
09:53<pharaun>i know but i mean isn't it easier to work on compat for 32/64bitness
09:53<@heckman>Yeah, I know. They were holding off on consumers tho.
09:53<pharaun>versus say another arch actually
09:53<@heckman>I'm expected x32 to be blitzed for Windows 8.
09:53<straterra>We can only hope
09:53<straterra>I wish XP would die off
09:54<JshWright>pharaun: absolutely... running 32bit code on a 64bit system isn't evenly remotely as difficult as running x86 code on an ARM system
09:54<@jed>are you nuts? XP will live on for another decade
09:54<@heckman>I'm suspecting when Windows 7 SP1 comes out, people are gonna jump ship.
09:54<straterra>jed: I know..but I want it to die
09:54<pharaun>JshWright: yeah so i guess i was just trying to say that 32/64 issues is "minor" compared to an entire new arch
09:54<pharaun>straterra: me too
09:54<Kuboing>apparently, restarting mysql was a bad idea
09:55<Kuboing>mysql_safe is at 100% cpu, and the log files are empty
09:55<pharaun>straterra: At work, i have two choices for OS... windows xp, *or* a RHEL shitbox for the laptop..... in the end i just sneaked in a ubuntu fucked distro into work
09:55<JshWright>Kuboing: it may be trying to fix stuff
09:55<straterra>My Das Keyboard arrives on Monday
09:55<Kuboing>fix *what* stuff
09:55<Kuboing>database runs just fine
09:55<pharaun>Kuboing: *something* :-p
09:56<Kuboing>shouldn't it notify me of *what* it is fixing?
09:56<straterra>pharaun: Touch choice..I would've picked OpenSUSE myself
09:56<Kuboing>because as far as i know, when a shell script 'fixes' stuff without my knowledge, it's actually TRASHING AND DESTROYING it
09:56<JshWright>Kuboing: I have no idea... it's MySQL... stuff like that is "Need to Know" information, and it doesn't think you need to know
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09:57<Kuboing>it's using 100% cpu, I have a right to know
09:57<@jed>is it listening for connections?
09:57<HoopyCat>Kuboing: which storage engine are you using?
09:58<pharaun>straterra: heh yeah, i haven't ever really used opensuse so i'm not familiar with that distro, just fedora/debian so... yeah. The biggest thing that pisses me off is people who got Thinkpad W500 as their computer, *have* windows 7, but since i have a Thinkpad T61 I am screwed and they won't allow me to get windows 7 *sigh*
09:58<straterra>pharaun: Need a license?
09:58<pharaun>straterra: no they just will not allow it
09:58<pharaun>I do have msdna account and i have it on one of my work VM but they won't allow me to put it on my laptop
09:58<HoopyCat>Kuboing: show engine innodb status\G
09:58<pharaun>its lame as hell
09:59<@jed>HoopyCat: hence my question :>
09:59<pharaun>thus, count me as one of the person who wants windows xp to *die* ASAP :-p
09:59<Kuboing>what's \G for?
09:59<Kuboing>and what should I look for?
09:59<HoopyCat>Kuboing: because show engine innodb status; is unreadable unless you have a 5000" monitor with a 100:1 aspect ratio
09:59<dominikh>pharaun: my desktop still runs XP :<
09:59<@heckman>That reminds me....I need to dump all of my Windows Licenses to a text file.
09:59<Kuboing>it still is unreadable
09:59<robinetd>pharaun: Who won't allow it?
10:00<Kuboing>but what should I be looking for?
10:00<pharaun>dominikh: heh I do have windows xp in my vmware, but that's cuz I still have vmware 6.5 haven't updated to 7.2 which i heard is much much better with win7
10:00<dominikh>pharaun: Windows XP isn't bad :P
10:00<@heckman>Except for the fact everything runs as "root"
10:00<HoopyCat>Kuboing: oh, i dunno... normal stuff :-) transactions is a good section to get a feel for what's happening, file i/o is another good one (although you probably aren't I/O-bound)
10:00*heckman sips his tes
10:01<pharaun>dominikh: its *still* a what 9-10 year old OS :-p
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10:01<dominikh>heckman: just like my linux install!
10:01<Kuboing>wa is 0.05
10:01<Kuboing>and there is no transactions section
10:01<HoopyCat>Kuboing: row operations has rates for various types of accesses, you can see if something's pegged there
10:01<pharaun>robinetd: oh my work place, if you got the new laptop in a hardware refresh you can get windows 7, but if you are stuck with a older laptop which is x64 enabled *ANYWAY* you can't get windows 7 its not allowed
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10:02<Kuboing>2 reads
10:02<robinetd>pharaun: Not even if you pay for your own license?
10:02<Kuboing>this only started to happen after I Rebooted mysql
10:02<HoopyCat>Kuboing: <--- what i see
10:02<pharaun>dominikh: but the thing is, i'm just tired of windows xp, want some of the usability improvements, and various other improvements in windows 7, plus its 64bit enabled, and I want to put 8gig into my work laptop, right now i'm being limited to 32bit cuz of windows xp, (worked around with using linux, but they still won't allow me to get 8gig)
10:03<Kuboing>ah, there it is
10:03<Kuboing>just 1 transaction
10:03<pharaun>dominikh: the issue is some of the IDE we use needs 6gb *min* just to start up, so running it on 3-4gb is..... *painful*
10:03<Kuboing>looks mostly the same
10:03<dominikh>pharaun: so.. they don't allow you to get win7 AND they don't allow to get 8gig because you don't have win7?
10:03<pharaun>robinetd: nope, it must be a work/corporate license
10:03<pharaun>dominikh: yeah something like that
10:03<dominikh>pharaun: sounds like an awesome place with decent rules!
10:03<straterra>I kinda see their point
10:04<straterra>Makes support easier if all of the hardware adheres to a standard
10:04<HoopyCat>Kuboing: hmm. was it a clean restart of mysqld? e.g. it was working fine and you shut it down cleanly?
10:04<Kuboing>I'm about to bloody kill the damn thing
10:04<Kuboing>it was a clean restart
10:04<Kuboing>service mysql restart
10:04<pharaun>dominikh: so my choice is to put on ubuntu and deal with windowcenteric culture, but atleast email and other stuff runs in java so i can use it on my linux install...
10:04<Kuboing>mysqlcheck says that all tables are in perfect condition
10:05<pharaun>straterra: but the thing is we can get windows 7 license for the VM, and work support multiple OS already, linux, windows 7 or xp, etc...
10:05<HoopyCat>Kuboing: show processlist;
10:05<pharaun>straterra: I'm a dev, and It would sure be nice to actually get 8 gig so I can actually run the damn IDE worth shit (it wants 6gig)
10:05<robinetd>pharaun: Who do you work for? The insanity department of insanity? :O
10:05<HoopyCat>Kuboing: empty!
10:05<pharaun>robinetd: just a large corp
10:05<Kuboing>apart from the show processlist query
10:05<HoopyCat>Kuboing: that's not empty :-P
10:05<Kuboing>it's void of anything else
10:05<HoopyCat>Kuboing: wait, which distro are you running?
10:06<Kuboing>ubuntu 8 something
10:06<dominikh>pharaun: what's the IDE, anyway? even VS2010 *with* R# isn't that hungry
10:06*HoopyCat recalls
10:06<Kuboing>but it ran fine for months
10:06<robinetd>6GB RAM for an IDE? hoooooowow.
10:06<pharaun>straterra: i mean yes i can *understand* wanting to have hardware/standard yes but my problem is they give us a IDE that wants 6gig to start off, and say you can only use a 32bit, and I can't get windows 7 or 64bitness for another year or two (hardware refresh every 3+ years)
10:06<pharaun>robinetd: rational :-p
10:06<pharaun>dominikh: rational :-p
10:07<Kuboing>HoopyCat: what about stracing?
10:07<dominikh>ironic name.
10:07<HoopyCat>Kuboing: it's mysql_safe that's spinning, right?
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10:07<dominikh>IBM, okay... big clumsy keyboards and 6gb heavy IDEs
10:07<straterra>pharaun: for you :)
10:07<Kuboing>it's complaining about NO CHILD PROCESS
10:07<pharaun>dominikh: haha, i use eclipse, and i have to bring in various custom plugin into second eclipse install but they are really *FORCING* us into using rational
10:07<Kuboing>wait4(blablabla) echild no child process
10:07<HoopyCat>Kuboing: edit the first line of mysql_safe to say #!/bin/bash instead of #!/bin/dash per
10:07<Kuboing>and now it killed my terminal
10:08<robinetd>I wonder how long it takes to load 6GB of data into memory. :D
10:08<straterra>HoopyCat: A typo?
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10:08<HoopyCat>straterra: a bug in dash
10:08<pharaun>straterra: hah indeed :-p was just bitching a little sorry :) i can understand *some* of the reasoning but it just seems silly to be forced into a heavy weight IDE and not given the ram/os that can handle it
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10:08<Kuboing>wait4(4294967295, 0x7fff5277d17c, 0, NULL) = -1 ECHILD (No child processes)
10:08<pharaun>robinetd: it is *SLOW*
10:09<HoopyCat>Kuboing: yes, i know the hex offset doesn't exactly match the bug report, but i'd say it's close enough :-)
10:09<pharaun>robinetd: I start it up, i go get breakfast, i come back, its finally started up :-p
10:09<HoopyCat>i knew this sounded familiar
10:09<robinetd>pharaun: Sounds like dial up days when I waited hours for a 1mB file. >.<
10:09<Kuboing>sorry, even my client PC was getting in 100% cpu usage when stracing the process :P
10:09<pharaun>robinetd: hah, yes i still remember those.... days.... not that fondly
10:10<pharaun>dominikh: heh what you mean by "IBM". Hey i like their Model M keyboard, they are awesome, don't knock em! you can use em as a weapon to beat people and then use them aftward without even washing the blood off ;-p
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10:10<Kuboing>HoopyCat: it's current running in sh, that's dash?
10:10<dominikh>pharaun: hahaha
10:10<HoopyCat>Kuboing: possibly
10:11<Kuboing>k, still 100% cpu usage
10:11<HoopyCat>Kuboing: with /bin/bash instead of /bin/sh?
10:11<pharaun>dominikh: but regardless... ibm?
10:12<HoopyCat>Kuboing: hmm.
10:12<Kuboing>oh wait, I have to kill it first
10:12<linbot> ...
10:12*robinetd giggles at Kuboing.
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10:12<pharaun>I better shutup before i make myself annoyed :-p so uh um brb :-p
10:12<Kuboing>now, where did mysqld_safe go...
10:13<Kuboing>ah, there
10:13<amitz>pharaun: what sound was that?!
10:13<HoopyCat>whoop, there it is
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10:13<Kuboing>amitz: inception trailer?
10:13*HoopyCat thinks this SRU needs a firm kick in the johnson
10:14<amitz>Kuboing: haha
10:14<amitz>pharaun: oops, sorry :-p
10:14<dominikh>oh boy. a desktop pc mainboard for 344 EUR. that'd be more expensive than the CPU I am getting…
10:15<Kuukunen>Kuboing: o hi >_>
10:15<robinetd>dominikh: You going AMD?
10:15<dominikh>robinetd: Intel
10:15<robinetd>hehe, hoho, humhum. >.>
10:15*Kuboing stares at clamav
10:15<Kuboing>I thought I fucking got rid of you already
10:16<dominikh>robinetd: the new Sandy Bridge architecture
10:16<robinetd>dominikh: I've been eyeballing the new 6 core phenoms.
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10:17<dominikh>robinetd: the Sandy Bridge ones (coming this week) beat the 6 core pehnoms (even in fully multithreaded apps)
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10:18<kaitocracy>hi does anyone know if Linode will be getting grsecurity support anytime in the future?
10:18<HoopyCat>kinda my #1 beef with ubuntu is how easy it is for non-security bugs to fall through the cracks, since the SRU process is some sort of ritual that requires a funny hat and magic underwear and other stuff
10:19<HoopyCat>kaitocracy: you can probably run it yourself; see
10:20<kaitocracy>HoopyCat: ooh, that's a little too much work for me to try out grsecurity...
10:20<HoopyCat>kaitocracy: then you probably don't want grsecurity :-)
10:20<kaitocracy>HoopyCat: plus I'm still mad afraid to run custom kernel
10:22<Yaakov>kaitocracy: Get a second 'node for a few days and play with it.
10:22<kaitocracy>hmm true
10:23<Yaakov>Clone your current node a for a few bucks you can make sure it works then clone back.
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10:24<straterra>I <3 this USB powered coffee cup
10:26<robinetd>straterra: Did you get the self stirring one?
10:26<Yaakov>straterra: Then you need this!
10:26<straterra>robinetd: I wish
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10:27<HoopyCat>why does coffee need stirred?
10:27<robinetd>Because cream and sugar isn't meant to sit on the top.
10:28<HoopyCat>cream? sugar?
10:28<HoopyCat>oh. weird people.
10:28<robinetd>Yeah, they're to make it taste nice instead of harsh and bitter. ;)
10:31<Cromulent>drink espresso its the only decent way to drink coffee imo
10:32<dominikh>uh, Linode does have a referral program, doesn't it? I only found an old blog entry + link which is now dead because of the new manager
10:32<JshWright>Cromulent: then you have a very limited palate
10:32<Cromulent>JshWright: thats what 10+ years smoking does to you
10:32<JshWright>dominikh: sure, the referral code is in the "My Profile" section of the manager
10:32<Cromulent>luckily I gave up earlier this year
10:32<linbot>Looking for a referral code? Use this one for free activation: dbe98bfe8cad58e02d9ea22fc98f446240edc909
10:33<HoopyCat>sooooo, does this nautilus thing have some sort of setting for maximum trash box size?
10:33<JshWright>Cromulent: I got an aeropress for christmas, it makes an _excellent_ quasi-americano
10:33<HoopyCat>~/.local/share/Trash/ is 31 GB
10:34<dominikh>JshWright: ah, thanks. I totally missed the "My Profile" link
10:34<robinetd>HoopyCat: What's the point of that? I just delete things with rm.
10:34<@jed>rm can be wrapped to send to Trash on desktops
10:34<robinetd>If I want to delete them, I want them to be deleted, not moved to a "trash" folder to continue wasting space. ;>
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10:35<Cromulent>JshWright: hmm americano sounds interesting
10:35<HoopyCat>robinetd: if it's going to open with a fancypants GUI app, i usually don't use the command line to find it. easier to just pointy-clicky, then my hand's already on the mouse
10:36<HoopyCat>robinetd: i forgot about the trash, but i was inspired to look for my trash when i deleted some tens of thousands of useless files in some hundreds of directories and it did so immediately, with one disk hit
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10:42<amitz>jed: I am still waiting for a rm wrapper. The one that can automatically create a /.Trash/<timestamp>/root/deleted/folder/
10:43<dominikh>shell script, go at it
10:43<amitz>dominikh: I'm not sure it'll be simple though but I hadn't finished thinking about it.
10:44<dominikh>amitz: why wouldn't it be simple?
10:44<robinetd>hehe, 60MB of erlang for a 2.5MB jabber server. This be silly.
10:45<dominikh>robinetd: AND a horrible configuration format :P
10:45<amitz>not sure, perhaps making sure that the operation is atomic enough? across fs, across lvm, shits like that.
10:45<robinetd>dominikh: At least it doesn't depend on JRE though. :>
10:45<dominikh>robinetd: hehe.
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10:46<dominikh>I currently do run openfire, but on a 1gb machine. will switch to a smaller solution for my 512
10:46<amitz>dominikh: what's interesting is making somekind of a gui based "merge" undelete scheme,a t least for me.
10:46<dominikh>amitz: dunno. If I want to version my deletes, I run git ;)
10:46<dominikh>generally deleting means "be gone"
10:46<amitz>dominikh: ah, good point :-p
10:47*robinetd deletes dominikh.
10:48<dominikh>NOOOOOoooo... *plop*
10:49<robinetd>dominikh: Apparently you can change the ejabberd configuration file from erlang syntax to XML.
10:49<dominikh>robinetd: that's not any better at all. there's actually some other jabberd I tried which did use XML... it was horrible
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10:58<pharaun>amitz: heh i was bored
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11:04<robinetd>interesting. I can't find the mumble server on gentoo. All that's in portage that I can see is the client. :|
11:04<pharaun>robinetd: roll your own ebuild ;-p
11:05<pharaun>or hit the other repo, they got layman and various other repo like sunset, etc...
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11:15<ZackOfAllTrades>Hello. I am pretty new at this sort of thing so my question is pretty basic
11:16<ZackOfAllTrades>Can I access a linode server through a gui interface somehow?
11:16<DephNet[Paul]>ZackOfAllTrades, if you install one, yes
11:17<ZackOfAllTrades>So, if I put in ubuntu, then I can get into it somehow from my laptop?
11:17<nDuff>plenty of ways to do that, none of them linode-specific
11:18<nDuff>you can run a VNC server, you can use NX, you can tunnel X11 over ssh...
11:18<nDuff>any other remote GUI access that works on Linux in general will work here.
11:18<ZackOfAllTrades>Awesome. Just checking: I have a google cr-48. Would that work too?
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11:19<DephNet[Paul]>ZackOfAllTrades, Linode does not bundle any desktop environments with their servers, it would be worth your while to get a "learn linux" book from Amazon
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11:19<nDuff>ZackOfAllTrades, ...that's Chrome OS? No idea whether NX clients, or X11 clients, or VNC clients are available for that.
11:19<nDuff>(also, I tend to agree that it's very, very worth learning how to do things without a GUI)
11:19<DephNet[Paul]>ZackOfAllTrades, as ChromeOS is web based, you would need to see if they have an SSH client, which I doubt it
11:20<nDuff>well, if it runs Java you've got some options
11:20<ZackOfAllTrades>Paul: Thank you! nDuff: Yes, Chrome OS. Sounds like I need to experiment then.
11:20*nDuff was using a Java-based VNC client a decade ago
11:21<ZackOfAllTrades>Thank you! Time for class. I will probably be back afterwards.
11:21<nDuff>...but that needs to be served off the same machine you're accessing, so you need to know enough to install it on your server _before_ you can use the GUI :)
11:21<nDuff>(same as X11 libs / your desktop environment of choice, for that matter)
11:22<linbot>New news from forums: Linode AJAX shell and Unicode in General Discussion <>
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11:33<utahcon>Any got an article on creating a copy of my running linode for use in VirtualBox? I want to experiment with some things, but not toast my live instance.
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11:35<amitz>utahcon: somewhere in library, probbaly.
11:36<JshWright>utahcon: I would suggest looking into automating your deployment
11:36<JshWright>running an exact copy is a little tricky, and very brittle
11:37<JshWright>if you have a script that deploys your server, you can run that anywhere (a local VM, a linode, etc), and it's a lot more flexible
11:39<HoopyCat>utahcon: i haven't done it in awhile, but the key difference is going to be that /dev/xvda needs to be copied to a partition (e.g. /dev/sda1), since it lacks partition table and boot sector. then, you'll need to install a kernel and grub.
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11:42<HoopyCat>(you can do the kernel-install step before attempting the clone... installing a kernel and grub shouldn't impact your linode within the linode environment, unless you're using pvgrub, in which case you have a kernel and grub already)
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11:43<utahcon>thanks all for the info, sounds a bit more heavy than I had expected, but I will look into these options
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11:48<azaghal>Anyone know what the caveats of using internal-sftp vs sftp-server in case of OpenSSH are? (I want chroot'ed sftp, just wondering if there's anything wrong with the internal-sftp
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12:00<HoopyCat>azaghal: none that i know of
12:00<mwalling>i thought internal-sftp was static so that it could work inside a chroot better
12:01<HoopyCat>azaghal: aside from internal-sftp not existing for sufficiently-old versions of openssh
12:02<azaghal>mwalling: Yeah, that's why I want it.
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12:28<pharaun>what the fuck, i coughed and i saw floaters
12:28<pharaun>then they went away, uhh should i be worried about retinal deattachment
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12:30<robinetd>I see floaters all the time. Then again, I probably have glaucoma.
12:30<pharaun>yeah always had a couple black floaters one here and there growing up
12:30<pharaun>but i mean when i just now coughed i had a bunch of bright white floaters that looked like worms that wingled all over
12:30<pharaun>then they went away
12:31<pharaun>only happened once before
12:32<robinetd>Might should go to an optometrist then ;)
12:33<robinetd>An eye doctor.
12:33<linbot>New news from forums: A few Arch-related issues (tmux, screen, urxvt) in General Discussion <>
12:33<straterra>Perihelion: MONDAY
12:33<straterra>Then maybe I'll get my own office
12:33<@Perihelion>I have my own office for the next 5 or so minutes
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12:34<@Perihelion>Until tychoish or pparadis return
12:35<robinetd>Quick! Move everything off the desk and replace it with personal family photos and the like, and tell them they're delusional and that you've always had that office.
12:35<robinetd>(Bonus points if you can convince management.)
12:35<@heckman>They are returning now
12:44<linbot>New news from forums: Anything special I should do to get pop3 working now? in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
12:45*Kuboing stares
12:45*Kuboing FUCKING STARES
12:45*Perihelion RAGES
12:45*Kuboing sets a server on fire with laser sight
12:45<Kuboing>model name : Mobile AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3100+
12:45*purrdeta pats Perihelion
12:46<Kuboing>are you KIDDING ME?!
12:46<Kuboing>and they actually put CPANEL AND WHM ON IT
12:46*Kuboing flips out
12:46<Kuboing>and sold it as an i7
12:47*Kuboing loses his shit
12:47<straterra>Its not an i7?
12:47<rlankfo>say what
12:47<robinetd>Kuboing: Not linode, I hope.
12:47<straterra>Who puts an i7 in a server anyway? Prolly the same people who put Semprons in a server
12:47<rlankfo>Kuboing: you bought a sempron as an i7?
12:47<dominikh>that'd be lulz
12:47<Kuboing>rlankfo: client did
12:48<Kuboing>he complained that it was "slow"
12:48<dominikh>oh wow
12:48<dominikh>I'd love selling your client some awesome 8GB DDR3
12:48*robinetd rolls.
12:48<dominikh>which really is 128MB DDR
12:48<robinetd>DDR? You're being generous. I'd send him a digital copy of my swap partition.
12:49<Kuboing>dominikh: I'm checking that right now
12:49<dominikh>robinetd: I have to somehow get rid of the DDR I still have :P
12:49<Kuboing>with 32GB swap
12:49*Kuboing flips
12:49<robinetd>32GB swap?!
12:49<dominikh>well, effectively 32.5GB of memory, that's quite nice!
12:49<Kuboing>and 73% of it is used
12:49<dominikh>he's trolling
12:50<Kuboing>I wish
12:50<robinetd>You has proofs?
12:50<Kuboing>I cannot do has screenshot
12:50<Kuboing>because I'm in CLI
12:50<dominikh>webcam, dawg
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12:50<Kuboing>..... what would I do with a webcam?
12:50<Kuboing>why would I even own one?
12:50<dominikh>for taking pictures of CLIs
12:51<robinetd>dominikh: I think you're right. :o
12:51<dominikh>literally a screenshot
12:51<JshWright>tychoish: you should head up the city monday night... The Andrew and Noah Band is playing at The Living Room
12:51*robinetd shoots dominikh's screen
12:52*Kuboing is going to remove cpanel and whm and is gonna make it his file server
12:52<robinetd>Kuboing: What was it doing before?
12:52<Kuboing>hosting an static html website
12:52<Kuboing>and mailserver
12:52<robinetd>And that took 23.725GB memory?
12:53*Kuboing points at WHM and cpanel
12:54<pharaun><-- is surprised by the lack of panic over php's lulzy vult
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12:55<@tychoish>JshWright, this monday?
12:56<JshWright>tychoish: yeah
12:56<@tychoish>mmm, I have this work thing. ;)
12:57<JshWright>caker/tasaro: give tychoish monday afternoon off
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12:58<@tychoish>they/you going to be at flurry?
12:58*caker shakes fist at AppArmor
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12:59<JshWright>tychoish: I'm sure they are, I'm not going to be able to go
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13:09<HoopyCat>oh right it is flurry time
13:09<HoopyCat>that means soup night begins next week!
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13:09<straterra>HoopyCat: FURRY TIME?!
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13:12<straterra>I wish I could make phone calls through Google Voice on my iPod
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13:17<JshWright>HoopyCat: flurry is still 6 weeks out
13:18<HoopyCat>JshWright: but people are starting to think of flurry, ergo, soup night
13:18<straterra>What is this..flurry?
13:18<JshWright>straterra: you're better off not knowing...
13:19<pharaun>furry? fur suits? what?
13:19<straterra>TELL ME
13:19<straterra>I demand to know
13:19<JshWright>very well...
13:19<straterra>What the hell
13:19<pharaun>lol the hell?
13:19<straterra>Exercise to music?
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13:20<JshWright>while it is a decent workout, that's certainly not the point
13:20<straterra>What is the point? :/
13:20<JshWright>it's fun?
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13:20<straterra>Oh..fair enough
13:21<JshWright> perhaps a better introduction to the "fun" side of contra dancing
13:21<solotandem>when u create a finnix recovery profile, what is the initial password (if u want to ssh into the finnix instead of using the finnix console)
13:22<snubby>moi near future card
13:23<JshWright>solotandem: I think you have to use the console intially
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13:23<solotandem>JshWright: and i just changed the root passwd in console, but ssh doesnt accept it?
13:24<JshWright>solotandem: is ssh enabled?
13:24<solotandem>JshWright: maybe not
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13:25<solotandem>JshWright: once ssh is running, what is the command ssh
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13:25<JshWright>well, that will get you to lish
13:25<solotandem>that is on the linode network page
13:25<JshWright>if you want to ssh to the node itself, you'll need to connect to username@your_ipaddress
13:26<solotandem>JshWright: let me try
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13:26<@caker>Finnix boots without networking and ssh running. /etc/init.d/networking start; passwd root; /etc/init.d/ssh start <-- or something close to that
13:27<@caker>then: ssh
13:28<Yaakov>caker: You have a fancy IP address!
13:28<Yaakov>caker: Is that IPv6?
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13:31<ralphholzmann>Hi there -I have a weird problem. index pages are downloading instead of being processed by php
13:31<Gika>hey guys, i'm trying (with nginx) to rewrite from i'm using "rewrite ^/(.*)$ /srv/www/site/pages/$1.php break;" but it shows an empty page. any clue?
13:31<sdfee>hey, I just disabled "PermitRootLogin" -- as it says to here:
13:31<sdfee>but it seems to have had no effect. Any clue as to why that may be?
13:32<robinetd>sdfee: Did you restart sshd?
13:32<Gika>sample conf >>
13:32<sdfee>robinetd: ah, that's probably why. thanks
13:32<ralphholzmann>permissions are the same on the files, also -
13:33<solotandem>do u need to issue a quit command or something when in the finnix console?
13:33<solotandem>or just close the window?
13:33<sdfee>robinetd: hm, I have now.. and still no change
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13:34<robinetd>sdfee: You can still login as root from ssh?
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13:34<sdfee>robinetd: yes
13:35<robinetd>Very weird. O_o
13:36<@caker>login is not a verb. You can't be logining or have logined
13:37<straterra>I have logined to your server
13:37<dominikh>I can login to systems and I can setup them! and caker won't be stopping me
13:37<straterra>You can bludgon someone
13:38<robinetd>caker: Yes, that's likely the problem he's having. He loginned instead of logged in!
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13:39<hawk>that would explain a lot, actually
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13:42<hawk>hmm, he left
13:43<hawk>maybe even logoffed
13:43<robinetd>hawk: Not by choice. He timeoutted.
13:47<mwalling>does anyone know how to edit the login page in moinmoin?
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13:47<mwalling>sorry, "login" page, since it is called "login"
13:47<robinetd>Have you loginned?
13:48<mwalling>(i cant find a good query that doesnt tell me how to restrict edits to logged in users)
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13:50<mwalling>ugh, it looks like it is static in MoinMoin.action.LoginHandler
13:50<nathan>does anyone know if I can install xwindows on a virtual server and vnc into it
13:51<mwalling>nathan: sure, but you're going to get heckled in here for wanting to do that
13:51<nathan>yeah i figured
13:51<straterra>mwalling: I do that
13:51<nathan>would use alot of ram i guess
13:52<ralphholzmann>Does anyone have any insight into why my public_html/index.php files wont parse from PHP, but rather download the source files, while other php files work just fine?
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13:52<Peng|>straterra: You heckle people, or you run X?
13:52<mwalling>ralphholzmann: is this in a ~userdir?
13:52<straterra>Run X
13:53*Peng| heckles straterra
13:53<linbot> |
13:53<straterra>I have some Windows software that needs to run in Wine
13:53<ralphholzmann>mwalling nope - /var/www/sites/<sitename>/public_html
13:54<nDuff>straterra, ...not sure why that's a compelling use case for VNC -- you could just tunnel X over ssh
13:54<linbot>New news from forums: Need someone to Optimize my Linode at a Affordable Price in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
13:54<@Perihelion>Nivex: Now that we know the actual source of the image the one can probably be removed :P
13:54<straterra>nDuff: because..I don't want to be remoted in to my linode for the software to run
13:54<straterra>It's server software
13:54<mwalling>nDuff: do you run irssi in screen?
13:55<mwalling>(i'm going somewhere with that)
13:55<nathan>would kde be a total resource load when I only have 1 gig of memory on my linode?
13:55<nDuff>mwalling, negative, though I do see the point (ability to disconnect / reconnect from GUI apps)
13:56<nDuff>straterra, you actually need to poke at it via the GUI on occasion, or would just running a dummy local X server be adequate?
13:56<Peng|>nathan: KDE is always a total resource hog, but a gig of RAM is more than enough to run it.
13:56<straterra>WellI have to poke at it in the GUI to get it started
13:56<straterra>Then I leave it
13:56<@pparadis>freenx works very nicely.
13:56<Peng|>Unless recent versions have gone Windows Vista?
13:57*nDuff tries to remember the Python library he's using for automating button-clicking on Windows apps
13:57<nathan>so using centos i could just yum install kde-base and it will install all the xwindows dependants
13:57<nDuff>(it's for a side job he hasn't done many hours for lately -> not fresh in the memory)
13:57<nDuff>s/he hasn't/I haven't/
14:02<solotandem>trying to follow with a twist
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14:02<solotandem>want to transfer a tar.gz file with the disc image and write it out to dev/xvdb
14:03<solotandem>anyone know the proper command
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14:03<solotandem>restate: want to transfer a tar.gz file with the disc image, uncompress the image and write it out to dev/xvdb
14:04<solotandem>i have something on dev/xvdb but it is not in ext3 format
14:04<solotandem>how do u look at what it is
14:05<mwalling>you have a disk image inside a tarball?
14:05<mwalling>but... its one file...
14:05<solotandem>not sure what the name of file inside is; does that matter
14:05<solotandem>as far as i know
14:05<Peng|>Why would you put a single file in a tarball?
14:05<mwalling>tar tvf <filename>
14:06<mwalling>lists the contents
14:06<mwalling>(v may be optional)
14:06<solotandem>i dont have a local copy; trying to avoid downloading it from server A to my local then to linode
14:06<solotandem>seems like i will have to
14:06<mwalling>ok, here's a *GUESS*
14:06<Peng|>solotandem: No you won't.
14:07*solotandem waits with baited breath
14:07<mwalling>use `tar tvf <filename>` to find the name of the disk image inside the file
14:07<solotandem>will that work on a remote file?
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14:07<solotandem>a url to a box i can not login to
14:07<nDuff>if you stream it in, sure -- then you don't even need the f or the filename
14:07<mwalling>wait, wheres the file?
14:08<solotandem>on sever A
14:08<solotandem>not my local
14:08<nDuff>curl ${url} | tar t
14:08<Peng|>solotandem: You don't have SSH access?
14:08<solotandem>the server is a build service that makes the disc image
14:08<Peng|>solotandem: Boot up Finnix on your Linode. You could come up with a clever command line to scp the tarball, extract it, and dd it onto the device.
14:08<mwalling>sucks to be you, i dont know how to do it w/o knowing the filename inside the file
14:08<solotandem>so no i dont have access to server A, just a URL
14:08<mwalling>Peng|: SCP it to where
14:09<Peng|>Actually, everybody uses ssh dd, right? So not scp.
14:09<solotandem>Peng|: i have except the dd file seems to not be ext3 format
14:09<Peng|>This sounds like hte least convenient build service ever!
14:09<mwalling>solotandem: is this on OBS or something?
14:09<solotandem>well it makes a smaller file
14:09<solotandem>suse build
14:09<Peng|>So? SSH compression "makes a smaller file" without being a total pain in the ass.
14:09<mwalling>solotandem: linky me.
14:09<solotandem>i agree
14:10<mwalling>i wonder if this is a filesystem tarball, not a tarball of a single file
14:10<solotandem>mwalling: and what will u do
14:10<Peng|>Or you can just run a normal image through whatever compression tool you want to.
14:10<mwalling>solotandem: look for myself
14:10<solotandem>mwalling: how will u do so
14:10<nDuff>solotandem, I gave you a command to list the contents of a tarball knowing only the URL above
14:11<solotandem>nDuff: does the curl end up downloading the entire file?
14:11<nDuff>solotandem, if tar closes the file, curl will stop downloading
14:11<mwalling>if you're pulling from OBS to your linode, it will be plenty fast
14:11<nDuff>solotandem, so you've got lots of options -- you can feed from tar into an unbuffered stream which closes its input as soon as it reads a line, for instance.
14:12<solotandem>nDuff: in plain english, plz
14:13<straterra>Hire someone to do it
14:13<solotandem>nDuff: ie the actual command
14:13<mwalling>[01-06] 14:08:07 < nDuff> curl ${url} | tar t
14:13<solotandem>im doing that now ^^
14:13<Peng|>That's more plain sh than English, though. :D
14:13<nDuff>solotandem, no. An actual command that reads from the tar command, handles buffering correctly, and kills its parent would require actual testing to develop, and I'm not willing to do that for you for free.
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14:14<nDuff>solotandem, if you head over to freenode's #bash, we've got some handy factoids and FAQ links which will help.
14:14<robinetd>Is it abnormal for me to be able to type a few words before they register while sshing into my linode?
14:14<straterra>Not if your internet sucks
14:14<linbot>New news from forums: Permissions best practice: semi-shared hosting in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
14:14<robinetd>My internets are fine. :o
14:14<straterra>What kind of latency do you have to your linode?
14:14<hawk>Evidence suggests otherwise :P
14:14*robinetd checks.
14:15<Peng|>robinetd: Are you saturating your connection with sucky/no QoS?
14:15<nDuff>solocommand, ...another option would be to just unconditionally read only the front of the file
14:15<robinetd>63ms to 92ms.
14:15<Peng|>robinetd: If so, then yes, it's "normal". Stop saturating your connection or configure QoS to give SSH a higher priority.
14:15<nDuff>solotandem, ...using dd to cut off the stream after the first few kb is really, really easy :)
14:16<solotandem>the tar.gz file contains a .raw file
14:16<robinetd>Peng|: I'm not saturating it. :/ the connection is mostly idle.
14:16<Peng|>That's absurd.
14:16<hawk>robinetd: Are you really far away from the linode geographically?
14:16<Peng|>solotandem: Tell whoever made that not to be such an idiot and create pointless tarballs just to inconvenience everyone./
14:16<Peng|>hawk: 63-92 ms suggests not.
14:16<robinetd>hawk: I'm in Michigan. My linode is in NJ.
14:16<solotandem>i am assuming the final dd of=/dev/xvdb ends up with someting named .raw instead of writing the image as expected
14:16*nDuff is +1 on the "diediedie" for whoever set up the build service solotandem is using.
14:17<hawk>Peng|: It kind of does
14:17<hawk>robinetd: Ok
14:17<Peng|>hawk: Oh, good point. Sorry, I'm used to my ADSL connection where RTT to the damn corner store is like 75 ms.
14:17<mwalling>from finix, curl $URL | tar zx <thatrawfile>.raw | dd of=/dev/xvdb
14:17<mwalling>solotandem: ^^
14:17<straterra>robinetd: run there any loss?
14:17*Kuboing is trying to figure out why his subdomain isn't being taken into account...
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14:17<Peng|>Kuboing: Explain.
14:18<solotandem>mwalling: that sounds like the trick
14:18<Kuboing>it's been several hours already, and the subdomain isn't showing up anywhere :|
14:18<mwalling>solotandem: YMMV, IANAL, good luck, nto my fault if it chops off your stuff, etc.
14:18<Peng|>(Is the file really transferred with curl?)
14:18<solotandem>mwalling: thanks to all
14:18<Peng|>Kuboing: Maybe you cached an NXDOMAIN.
14:18<Kuboing>Peng|; I added a subdomain several hours ago in the linode manager, but it's still not resolving
14:18<Peng|>Kuboing: By "subdomain" do you just mean a hostname, or an actual zone.
14:18<mwalling>Kuboing: ask the resolver itself
14:18<Kuboing>Peng|: hostname
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14:18<hawk>(As my point of reference I'll say that I get like 110ms avg to my NJ linode from regular cable connection in Sweden)
14:18<Peng|>Kuboing: NXDOMAIN. The DNS "this doesn't exist" response.
14:18<mwalling>Kuboing: dig <yourrecord>
14:19<mwalling>Kuboing: if it answers there, something in between rememberd it not existing, and wont forget it for the length of your negative ttl
14:19<Peng|>hawk: Yeah. I was on said ADSL connection for 8 years, so it's taking me a while to adjust to normal RTT. :)
14:19<robinetd>straterra: 10% loss
14:19<straterra>That might be your lag then
14:19<robinetd>It's going down now.
14:19<hawk>Peng|: heh, ok
14:19<Kuboing>mwalling: where is this 'dig' thing?
14:21<Kuboing> says NXDOMAIN
14:22<mwalling>are you sure you did it right then?
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14:22<Kuboing>I added an 'A' record named 'media' to the zone
14:23<Kuboing>okay, apparently it has to be in a specific order ;>_>
14:23<Kuboing>dig <your record>
14:23<Kuboing>finds it just fine
14:23<mwalling>oh, whoops
14:23<Kuboing>so now I'm wondering why it doesn't resolve for anyone
14:23<Peng|>hawk: (Worse, ICMP ECHO was even worse. ~110 ms RTT for anything interesting.)
14:24<hawk>Peng|: Ouch
14:24<Peng|>Kuboing: How do you know it doesn't resolve for anyone? Have you asked everyone?
14:24<robinetd>straterra: The packet loss is starting at I believe this is a linode address, yes?
14:24<Kuboing>Peng|; I've asked my friends
14:24<Peng|>Kuboing: What's the name, so we can have a whack at it?
14:24<Kuboing>nslookup says NXDOMAIN, dig says it exists...
14:24<Kuboing>Peng|: I would rather not ;p
14:25<hawk>dig says it exists?
14:25<mwalling>Kuboing: run dig w/o the @ns1.linode
14:25<straterra>robinetd: Let me find out from my handy dandy whoiser
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14:25<straterra>robinetd: yes. Pastebin the MTR
14:25<Kuboing>mwalling: NXDOMAIN
14:25<linbot>mwalling: Man, you really screwed up.
14:26<mwalling>Kuboing: right, but!
14:26<Peng|>hawk: Yeah, but ICMP ECHO performance doesn't matter much. I eventually noticed important stuff was only 75 ms. That's only an excess of about 40 ms RTT compared to a normal connection. Since I don't game or do voip or such, it's not a big deal.
14:26<Kuboing>mwalling: but?
14:26<mwalling>Kuboing: one of those numbers should show the remaining seconds the NXDOMAIN is cached for
14:26<mwalling>i just dont remember which one
14:26<Peng|>Kuboing: Why do you care if we know your media hostname? It's on the public Internet.
14:26<hawk>Peng|: Iirc when I had an ADSL connection the RTT to the first hop was about 20ms
14:27<Peng|>mwalling: The last one in the SOA.
14:27<Kuboing>Peng|; hm? different server
14:27<Peng|>hawk: For me the first hop -- the modem itself, on the end of a couple meters of CAT5 was 13 ms. :D
14:27<Peng|>hawk: But that was just ICMP.
14:27<robinetd>straterra: mtr opens a graphical dialogue on my eeepc. I don't see a way to dump the data. o_o
14:27<Peng|>hawk: Given my general performance, I think I was pretty far away from the DSLAM.
14:28<Kuboing>okay, either it's an unix timestamp, or it's a really big number
14:28<mwalling>Kuboing: its seconds
14:28<Peng|>robinetd: A GUI? Not just curses? Anyway, try mtr --report.
14:28<Kuboing>okay, apparently it resolved for *someone*
14:28<hawk>Peng|: Uhm, of course by first hop I mean the first thing on the ISP side. (My modem at least was purely a modem, just bridging stuff, no routing going on there)
14:28<Peng|>hawk: :P
14:28<robinetd>Peng|: Yeah, it's a GUI. opens a new window and everything.
14:28<mwalling>Kuboing: someone fresh. all your friends probably asked about it when it was still generating or pre-generation
14:29<robinetd>Peng|: that's doing it. Thanks.
14:29<Peng|>Kuboing: Remember, Linode only regenerates the zones every quarter-hour, so you have to wait a little while for it to start working. Directly query the nameservers -- dig -- to avoid getting an NXDOMAIN stuck in your resolver's cache.
14:29<Kuboing>but it has been *hours* :P
14:29<Getty>saw 7 is crazy......
14:30<Kuboing>I've set it up 4 hours ago, or something like that
14:30<Peng|>Kuboing: And? "Hours" is a common negative TTL setting.
14:30<Peng|>Kuboing: Especially since you said yours is "a really big number".
14:30<straterra>robinetd: take a screenshot then :P
14:30<Peng|>Then print the screenshot out, put it on a wooden table...
14:30<mwalling>robinetd: is this winmtr or something?
14:30<hawk>Peng|: I think this was at like 3.5-4km distance... so not exactly close either, but maybe you mean like really really far off...?
14:31<robinetd>mwalling: mtr on debian
14:31<solotandem>mwalling: i use the command wget -O - http://image.tar.gz | tar -O -xz image.raw | dd of=/dev/xvdb
14:32<solotandem>this write something to xvdb but it is not ext3 format
14:32<solotandem>what is wrong with the command?
14:32<mwalling>nothing, looks right to me
14:32<Kuboing>take screenshot. print screenshot. scan screenshot. export it to a pdf. take a screenshot of it. put it in ms word. email it
14:32<Kuboing>or did he mail it?
14:32<robinetd>Kuboing: I'll do it, but you have to do me a favor first. :)
14:32<mwalling>but i cant actually debug it myself since you wont tell me where it is or
14:33<mbreslin>mwalling: SECRETZZZZZ
14:33<Kuboing>no, that was a tech support case from the past
14:33<Peng|>hawk: No idea, dude.
14:33<Peng|>hawk: It's not something I ever investigated much, and at the moment I'm on a different connection.
14:33<straterra>robinetd: I'd say open a ticket with Linode and show them the MTR
14:33<solotandem>mwalling: have at it
14:33<straterra>They can look at super sekrit network stuffs
14:34<Peng|>Kuboing: You left out the printer, wooden table and camera!
14:34<solotandem>how can u tell what is on xvdb; what fs type it thinks it is,etc?
14:34<straterra>Try to mount it o.O
14:35<straterra>Thats what I do when I'm not sure what something is
14:35<solotandem>straterra: i did, but it says no way
14:35<Kuboing>Peng|: I left out the table and camera
14:35<Kuboing>because this isn't a TDWTF story :P
14:35<solotandem>straterra: using the linode script it is mount /media/xvdb
14:35<mbreslin>can we trade goods/services here?
14:36<mbreslin>i'll pay someone'se (smallish) linode bill if they perform a task for me ;p
14:36<robinetd>straterra: This makes me a sad panda. What is the average response time on tickets?
14:36<robinetd>mbreslin: What kinda task?
14:36<mbreslin>all i need is someone to spider the entire internet and give me a list of every news-related rss feed that is either rsscloud or pubsubhubbub enabled
14:36<mbreslin>for this i will buy you taco bell
14:37<mbreslin>and pay 1 month of your linodes ;p
14:37<robinetd>Taco bell? That's like a slap in the face :O
14:37<straterra>robinetd: They are usually pretty quick
14:37<mbreslin>sorry i picked a random fastfood joint
14:37<mbreslin>you can have your pick
14:38<auraka>suse is dead....opensolaris is dead
14:38<robinetd>mbreslin: Some fancy shmansy diner hosted on a three story yacht will do.
14:38<mbreslin>robinetd: if you could complete my task i'd consider it
14:39<mwalling>auraka: uh, those two things arent related
14:39<robinetd>mbreslin: Sure. Just get me a good connection and a crapton of hardware.
14:39<auraka>i know
14:39<auraka>just kind of sad
14:39<auraka>and good
14:39<mwalling>just checking
14:39<straterra>How is opensuse dead?
14:39<mbreslin>robinetd: i think you're misunderstanding the payer/payee relationship
14:39<Peng|>mbreslin: Got any friends at major search engines? They probably have a magic button they can press to find out in milliseconds.
14:39<auraka>Well...since Novell got bought out it is my prediction they are done for
14:40<mwalling>solotandem: which build option did you select int he create appliance screen?
14:40<robinetd>mbreslin: So you're saying I need to bring my own tools? :(
14:41<mbreslin>uh, yes
14:41<robinetd>Don't make me turn this screen session around!
14:41<mbreslin> used to and probably still does someonwhere hidden, have an exhaustive list of rss feeds
14:41<solotandem>mwalling: i am using the disk image since that is all i was told linode could accept
14:42<solotandem>mwalling: the disk image is in tar.gz for download
14:42<solotandem>mwalling: i want to avoid having to download it locally and do all this
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14:42*solotandem thinks that is not unreasonable
14:42<straterra>solotandem: did you try booting it?
14:42<mwalling>solotandem: yeah, i just built a JeOS image to try
14:42<solotandem>mwalling: good point
14:42<straterra>Try it
14:43<mwalling>solotandem: which is why i was asking over and over what the url was
14:43<solotandem>mwalling: how do i boot it
14:44<mwalling>this isnt a filesystem, it has partitions
14:44<straterra>It's a WHOLE disk image?
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14:44<mwalling> docs
14:44<mwalling>i have to prep for a meeting
14:44<solotandem>mwalling: u find the answer
14:45<mwalling>solotandem: it is spelled Y O U, and no, i didnt
14:45<pixl>Is it difficult to run your own ircd?
14:45<@Perihelion>Not at all
14:45<@heckman>So easy
14:45<pixl>Just amongst a group of friends
14:45<dominikh>getting users is harder
14:45<@heckman>A caveman can do it
14:45<@heckman>or....a PSEUDOVIKING
14:45<straterra>What about a real viking?
14:45<dominikh>straterra: there's no such thing
14:45<pixl>Would the oftc hybrid be the best choice?
14:46<robinetd>So, who likes 40% packet loss from one host? :>
14:46<@heckman>If you're nwe to IRC I would recommend UnrealIRCd.
14:46<@Perihelion>dominikh: Tell that to Marius
14:46<@heckman>I mean, new to configuring / administering.
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14:46<straterra>heckman: nweb
14:46<tonyyarusso>robinetd: I'd take that over the 1KB/s transfers our LAN is getting today :(
14:46<robinetd>tonyyarusso: Are you stalking me?
14:46<tonyyarusso>no - you're not that interesting
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14:47<robinetd>tonyyarusso: Love you too. <3.
14:47*tonyyarusso sighs
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14:47<Marius>VIKINGS ARE REAL!
14:47<robinetd>Marius: Who says they aren't?
14:47<Marius>Want me to get medieval on yoru asses?
14:47<Marius>I'll pillage you all!
14:47<tonyyarusso>gigabit gear, and I'm getting dialup speeds to computers 15 feet away :(
14:48<mbreslin>so i told my 4yo if he cries at the dr today while he's getting shots he has to walk home
14:48<robinetd>mbreslin: Did he get home yet?
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14:48<mbreslin>appt is in an hour, we'll see
14:49<mbreslin>it's like 15 miles and his legs are really short so
14:49<mbreslin>should take awhile
14:49<robinetd>Either that or he hotwires a car and takes off.
14:49<tonyyarusso>See, if you had my house and doctor's office, that would be reasonable. It's three blocks.
14:49<robinetd>Kids are smart these days. :O
14:50<Peng|>pixl: While it's easy to run an ircd, running a good IRC network takes work. Easier to just start a channel on an existing network. This one, for example, does allow off-topic channels, as long as they're +s and don't cause trouble.
14:50<auraka>ahh the good old days of dalnet
14:50<mbreslin>tonyyarusso: are you implying i'm unreasonable? :x
14:50<tonyyarusso>maybe :P
14:50<tonyyarusso>Only if you follow through.
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14:51<mbreslin>i got to stay home from work today to take him so he's already my hero
14:51<mbreslin>he can cry all he wants
14:51<pixl>Peng|: I am mostly interested in learning and have a private server for some buddies to use.
14:51<auraka>mbreslin: he should be able to...his daddy still does
14:51<pixl>No ambissions to become a network, lol
14:52<auraka>pixl: ambitions
14:52<Peng|>pixl: A good network has numerous geographically distributed servers -- which you could do with a handful of Linodes, of course! -- and opers and sysadmins around at all times to stab spambots and fix burning servers and such.
14:52<pixl>auraka: thanks
14:52<mbreslin>Peng|: i'm not running any software that catches my machines on fire
14:52<tonyyarusso>Or so you think...
14:53<mbreslin>aptitude install fire-department
14:53<tonyyarusso>But the guy next to you in the datacantre might! Silly Dallas.
14:53<auraka>aptitude install thunderdome
14:53<mbreslin>forgot sudo see my crap would have burned down
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14:53<straterra>MrGlass: Don't do that..that makes mwalling show up
14:53<auraka>Dallas only exploded once
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14:54<auraka>Fremont seems to go down more than mbreslin in a midget boxing match
14:54<mbreslin>i thought i burned that tape
14:54<Peng|>Dallas never exploded.
14:54<auraka>twinkie can fight
14:54<Peng|>H1 in Houston did.
14:55<mwalling>straterra: ?
14:55<auraka>Peng|: thanks for the are right
14:55<mwalling>Peng|: thats your queue
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15:00<Peng|>mwalling: Everbody does !pi and !urmom now, though.
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15:00<Peng|>!avail-he but it feels kind of out-of-date
15:00<linbot>Peng|: (linodeavailfremont takes no arguments) -- Gets the availability of each Linode plan type optionally restricting the results to a specific datacenter.
15:00<linbot>Peng|: Fremont512 - 93, Fremont768 - 46, Fremont1024 - 42, Fremont1536 - 12, Fremont2048 - 5, Fremont4096 - 5, Fremont8192 - 4, Fremont12288 - 2, Fremont16384 - 2, Fremont20480 - 1
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15:06<linbot>New news from forums: Kernel 2.6.37 & PVGRUB fails to boot in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
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15:11<linbot>New news from forums: Kernel 2.6.37 & PVGRUB fails to boot in General Discussion <>
15:15<hawk>I like the "New news" bit, but it would be perfect if it said "forum forums" (fora?) the same way the actual web site says "forum forum"...
15:16<Yaakov>The plural of forum is forums.
15:16<Yaakov>I have complained about the new news. Maybe if I said, new news is not a verb!
15:16<linbot>New news from forums: phpmyadmin help in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
15:17<Peng|>There is only one forum.
15:17<hawk>Yaakov: But have you commented on "forum forum"? That was my main point after all
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15:17<Yaakov>hawk: I spend little time there and so it doesn't wear on me.
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15:18<Kos>does anyone know of any websites that use HTML5 localStorage?
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15:22<linbot>New news from forums: Ubuntu 10.04 - SQL PHP5 NginX - Error in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
15:22<mwalling>uh, that guy's password thing
15:22<mwalling>oplop or something
15:22<mwalling>i think he used it
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15:23<Kos>Looking more for actual websites that use localStorage in their applications
15:23<Kos>I thought gmail/docs/calendar would use it, but they apparently still like gears
15:24<@jed>I think chrome can dump everything in there
15:24<straterra>Chrome is awesome
15:25<Kos>In gmail, it says "offline storage is unavailable for your browser", they took offline docs out of docs, and calendar prompts me for gears
15:26<Kos>I think there was a website demoed at shmoocon that used localstorage from last year, I'll just find that video...
15:26<@jed>uses it:
15:26<@jed>it set it up in chrome, but it's not storing anything as I mess with it
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15:28<@jed> // when they click the 'don't show' checkbox
15:28<@jed> // use localstorage to persist that option.
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15:28*jed shrugs
15:29<eyecool>Ok guys, you can make any linode use less io by putting up by firing up a memcached linode and running it through the private network
15:29<eyecool>is my logic flawed?
15:29<@jed>the app has to make use of it
15:29<eyecool>or is that answer so obvious, it goes overlooked
15:30<eyecool>jed: right, right
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15:30<@jed>depends on a lot, depends on what your app workload is like
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15:30<dominikh>and it won't reduce i/o caused by write operations
15:30<nDuff>eyecool, ...connecting to memcached via the private network is so obvious it goes unsaid, yes...
15:30<@jed>might introduce a bit of latency
15:31<eyecool>WordPress.. memcached + batcache + object cache = total win, for any WP site
15:32<Kos>jed: the only place I could find a substantial amount of data from was twitter, but it was pretty basic stuff (recentlyfollowed, recentlyviewed)
15:33<Kos>was looking for something that use localStorage pretty heavily, I'll just have to scour the web more
15:33<eyecool>I ran in circles trying to get a linode to be a dedicated file server... that's been an NFS fail so far... but separating all the other services has been a wet dream
15:33<@jed>can always stress test it yourself
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15:34<eyecool>jed: a linode cdn would rock
15:34<eyecool>not a cdn for the world, but a cdn for customers
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15:35<@jed>an argument could be made that our edges at the moment would favor the USA
15:35<eyecool>as in, if you're a linode customers, we have a cdn set up across our dc's for our customers
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15:35<eyecool>oh yeah.. hell yeah! that's a win, not an argument.. USA
15:36<eyecool>I know you have a lot of international customers, but starting in the USA is great
15:36<dominikh>that's a win? do you know what the purpose of a CDN actually is? :P
15:36<eyecool>it also distributes the edges closer to asia and europe
15:36<dominikh>(disclaimer: I am not from the US)
15:37<eyecool>dominikh: enl eye ten me!
15:37<dominikh>eyecool: Could not parse sentence; please try again!
15:38<eyecool>I guess competing with cloudfront (on price) is hard.. but as far as leveraging the private network, wow.. ease of use and convenience is worth a premium
15:39<eyecool>and yes, I know dc to dc is not private links.. it's what you can do within each dc... that's where the advantage and value lays
15:43*eyecool <Set name="gracefulShutdown">Exit, stage left</Set>
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15:44<straterra><marquee>DO THE WORM _/---\___O-</marquee>
15:47<praetorian>thats a prety boring worm
15:47<@jed> o \O_ Arrgh!!
15:47<@jed> <\==- - - - - - - --- __/.
15:47<@jed> / \ \ `
15:48<praetorian>ok, in comparison
15:48<praetorian>yours was gold.
15:48<praetorian>jed's sucks
15:48<straterra>Mine scrolls though
15:48*jed deletes alias
15:48<praetorian>its not scrolling in links.
15:49<praetorian>My ps3 was almost here :-(
15:49<praetorian>07/01/11 07:05 Attempted Delivery - No one in attendance
15:50<straterra>Only losers have PS3s
15:50<praetorian>no, only losers pay for PS3s.
15:50<Peng>The PS3 is a pretty nice Blu-ray player, right?
15:51<TheFirst>Peng: eh if you like listening to the damn fan in it while watching your movie
15:51<dominikh>yeah, only losers pay for PS3s. real men steal them
15:52<Peng>Real men convince someone else to steal them, so the real man can't be traced back to it.
15:52<praetorian>PS3, 2 Pairs of 3d glasses, 3d transmitter, 2x blu-ray 3d movies, 4 playstation 3d game vouchers, gt5
15:52<Peng>TheFirst: Heh
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15:52<dominikh>Peng: those are smart men, not real men
15:53<straterra>real men sit at home, drink bear and have sex with women
15:53<dominikh>all at the same time
15:53<WoodWork>drink bear?
15:53<dominikh>while watching two and a half men on tv
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15:57<Snagglepuss>dominikh: oh! if a cdn is defined as offloading static assets from my linode, count me in! The benefits are many. The downside, if any, is criticism (words) and envy (non linode customers)
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15:58<eyecool>which brings up a good point... this would deserve a better name for a better product
15:58<eyecool>a DCN
15:58<eyecool>^5, FTW GG&HF
15:58<eyecool>; )
15:59*eyecool goes back to the grind
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16:01<moi>Just a quick question: How long does the whole 'pending activation' thing usually last for?
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16:03<Peng>Guest3549: Perhaps a few minutes, perhaps a few hours. Check your email for instructions.
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16:05<Guest3549>Peng: As far as I can see, there aren't any instructions in any of the emails I received. I guess I'll just wait around.
16:06<@Perihelion>Can you PM me your username?
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16:12<nathan>i am having a problem conecting to freenx
16:13<bear454>In what case would a user's lish username not match their username ?
16:13<@jed>a user's lish username never matches their username, unless your username is linode12345
16:13<@jed>the lish username is always your linode's unique ID unless you signed up many moons ago
16:14<bear454>just signed up 2 months ago; my lish username& password match my username & password
16:14<@jed>what's your lish username?
16:14<@jed>then that's not for lish
16:15<@jed>oh. we created you that account
16:15<@jed>never mind.
16:15<@jed>you're a special case - in the general case, a person's lish username will be linode12345
16:16<@jed>well. a linode's lish username
16:16<@jed>each linode has its own
16:16<bear454>k. thx jed
16:17<@jed>np, sorry for the confusion :)
16:18<straterra>Am I a special case too?
16:18<heidi>special head case...
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16:21<bear454>jed: helping solotandem get his Studio appliance up & running
16:21<@jed>ah, gotcha
16:21<bear454>using the draft HOWTO I wrote
16:21<@jed>how's that working out?
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16:21<@jed>I'm incidentally familiar with what you're working on
16:21<nathan>i added user nx to the /etc/group file and when i try to connect it says auth failed
16:23<bear454>jed: I have a working recipe
16:23<bear454>solotandem is my unwitting guinea pig ;)
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16:23<bear454>I have a few steps that seem inordinately complicated; as soon as our team finished review I'll send it over
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16:24<bear454>see if you can shorten things up
16:24<bear454>IMO SUSE Studio + Linode is a match made in heaven
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16:35<tyler>whats down
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16:38<@jed>tyler: nagios is clean
16:39<tyler>I was just unable to reach a few of my nodes in atlanta
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16:39<tyler>but they seem to be back
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16:40<@jed>whatever it was, I'm unable to see it, so the Usual Internet Disclaimer applies
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16:41<@jed>a few people pinged out and I heard someone in support land say 'nlayer', so something might have gotten routed around upstream
16:41<@Perihelion>how2internet plz
16:41<Peng>tyler: Next time get an mtr.
16:41<linbot>mtr combines the functionality of traceroute and ping into one easy to use tool, and the output can be useful for determining where the source of a problem is. It can be downloaded from or for Windows. MTR summaries can be retrieved in-channel using the command !mtr-CITY where CITY is fremont, atlanta, newark, dallas or london.
16:41<@jed>Peng: he knows
16:42<mwalling>jed: those pingouts were from OSUOSL
16:42<mwalling>not atl
16:42<@jed>well there you go
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16:44<tyler>i did get a MTR
16:44<mwalling>and what ever it was, that osuosl leaf didnt shed enough to trip moranserv
16:44<mwalling>because my code is *SOLID BABY*!
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16:45<@Perihelion>I'll trip it for you.
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16:45<mwalling>Perihelion: do it, i dare you
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16:46<@Perihelion>You'd love a reason to akill me.
16:46<straterra>He needs a reason?
16:46<LadyNikon>why did it do that?
16:46<@jed>blame mwalling, LadyNikon
16:46<straterra>blame jed
16:46<@Perihelion>straterra: Well, kinda. He'd get raged at otherwise.
16:46<mwalling>blame OSU
16:46<LadyNikon>jed: uh oh
16:46<@jed>blame CANADA
16:46<straterra>Perihelion: By who?
16:46<mwalling>BLAME NORTH DAKOTA
16:46<@Perihelion>I really want buffalo wings right now.
16:46<LadyNikon>you guys skipping through the server farms again?
16:46<straterra>I have a $25 gift card to B-Dubbs
16:47<@Perihelion>straterra: Whoever it is that rages at him for doing it? Last time I think it was some other network staff member?
16:47<@Perihelion>I remember hearing something about it.
16:47<straterra>A nice big woodchuck and some wings.. <3
16:47<mwalling>i've never been raged at
16:47<LadyNikon>that sounds good
16:47<LadyNikon>Perihelion: hey do you guy still do referral program
16:47<straterra>Draft woodchuck goes GREAT with wings
16:47<@Perihelion>LadyNikon: Yep
16:48<@Perihelion>straterra: I had corona and wings last night
16:48<LadyNikon>i have referred two people since i been with linode :D
16:48<@Perihelion>With lime
16:48<@Perihelion>LadyNikon: Awesome!
16:48<@Perihelion>mwalling: Maybe it was tjfontaine that got raged at.
16:48<straterra>I love corona..but only with mexican food
16:48<@Perihelion>I'd rage at you.
16:48<mwalling>Perihelion: tj's the chair, he does no wrong
16:48<@Perihelion>Actually I'd probably thank you
16:48<straterra>tj is the uber rager
16:48<LadyNikon>Perihelion: how long does it take once they open their account?
16:48<@Perihelion>Because I wouldn't have to stare at IRC
16:49<@Perihelion>LadyNikon: They have to remain a customer for 90 days
16:49<straterra>You know you would be on IRC anyway
16:49<@Perihelion>But that 90 days can be spread out over 180 days iirc
16:49<@Perihelion>straterra: Not for work though!
16:49<straterra>I do
16:49<straterra>I'm at work RIGHT NOW
16:50<@Perihelion>LadyNikon: They can keep their account open and add/remove Linodes over the span of 180 days for a combined total of 90 days
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16:50<@Perihelion>straterra: SO AM I
16:50<straterra>I know
16:50<straterra>You have an @ on
16:50-!-mode/#linode [-o Perihelion] by Perihelion
16:50-!-mode/#linode [-v Perihelion] by jed
16:50<Perihelion>Which one of you mongs voiced me?
16:50<LadyNikon>does that mean you are no longer on the clock?
16:51<Perihelion>No I still have a few more minutes.
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16:51<straterra>Perihelion: Now you're off the clock \O/
16:51<Perihelion>Lies :<
16:51<straterra>Secretly, your time sheet gets filled out my a perl script that tails the logs
16:51<straterra>by a ^
16:51<Perihelion>Since mwalling hasn't akilled me yet I'm still wasting my life on IRC.
16:52<straterra>These skull candy headphones suck
16:52<Perihelion>I've heard that from a few people
16:52<Perihelion>I have sennheiser ones that are pretty nice
16:52<straterra>I paid for the expensive ones too
16:52<straterra>I shouldve just bought the bose ones I wanted
16:53<Perihelion>I feel like a failure when I spend $50-$150 on earbuds but stuff sounds good
16:53<Perihelion>They probably cost like $2 to make in China
16:54<LadyNikon>wow yall changed the site a lil bit
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16:58<@jed>LadyNikon: a touch
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16:58<LadyNikon>i need to get on the forums and think of ideas for my linode
16:58<LadyNikon>instead of just ircing from me
16:58<bran>i need some help with transfering my domain to linode
16:59<straterra>Linode isn't a registrar :x
16:59<@jed>as in your domain's registration?
16:59<bran>i registered my domain with media temple
16:59<bran>but now i want it to be controlled by linode
16:59<bran>can I do that?
16:59<@jed>we don't act as a domain registrar
16:59<erik`>how do i stop the backup service on my linode?
17:00<@jed>you can transfer your DNS to us fairly easily, but we do not register domains
17:00<@jed>erik`: file a ticket and we'll get you taken care of
17:00<Perihelion>erik`: Put in a ticket
17:00<erik`>ah, there is no button :)
17:00<bran>jed: so i'll have to leave my domain with MT and point the A record to my linode VP?
17:00<straterra>bran: yes
17:00<Peng>bran: You could move your domain to another registrar.
17:00<straterra>You can have Linode host the actual DNS and tell MT about DNS having the authorative DNS servers for your domain
17:01<@jed>okay, based on that last question I want to make sure we have the question right
17:01<bran>i want to do this: "You can have Linode host the actual DNS and tell MT about DNS having the authorative DNS servers for your domain"
17:01<bran>how do I do it?
17:01<@jed>instruct media temple to set your domain's nameservers to ns1 through
17:02<bran>this is what i have done:
17:02<@jed>your "domain name registrar" from the perspective of that guide is media temple
17:02<@jed>now read the rest of that guide.
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17:04<bran>so by pointing the nameservers to nsX.linode I have done everything i have to? I can just use the template zone file linode generated for me?
17:04<bran>it's just really slow transfering? because I pointed the DNS to linode's 2 hours ago
17:05<@jed>what is your domain?
17:05<mwalling>bran: did you read the whole legalsmeegal in that page?
17:05<mwalling>it said 24 hours
17:05<@jed>when you change DNS servers your registrar needs to work with the authority above it, and that isn't always a fast process
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17:06<@jed>$ whois # will tell you what WHOIS thinks is your nameservers
17:06<@jed>$ dig +trace NS # will tell you what the DNS thinks is your nameservers
17:06<bran>wow my keyboard stopped working for a sec
17:07<danieldg>is it possible to create PTR records in linode's DNS manager, or do you need to do a zonefile import? This is for IPv6 reverse DNS, btw
17:07<@caker>danieldg: no, it is not possible to create PTR records in a master zone in the Linode DNS Manager. However, you can set up a slave zone and a dns server, and we'll serve up whatever is in the zone
17:08<@jed>bran: looks transferred here. now you need to follow the rest of the guide, the Linode-specific parts
17:08<danieldg>ok, that seems like a reasonable way to do it
17:08<bran>jed: but that's all done for me
17:08<bran>the default looks fine
17:09<@jed>working fine, then
17:09<bran>ah yeah it does
17:10<bran>so the zone file on MT right now is useless now right?
17:10<@jed>in all likelihood
17:10<bran>MT slow as hell
17:12<bran>i guess i just gotta clear my OS's dns cache or something
17:13<bran>on my computer it still points to the old ip
17:13<bran>cool all working now
17:13<bran>thanks a bunch jed, straterra
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17:22<linbot>New news from forums: HOLY SH!T this is FAST in General Discussion <>
17:22<@jed>we agree
17:23<b0tz>70 meg a second, nice
17:23<dominikh>cannot be truez
17:23<@jed>wget is in megaBYTES/sec, too, isn't it?
17:23<jtsage>protip: reverse ipv6 dns will only propegate to the linode nameservers if you manage to get *all* the digits correct. yar.
17:24<dominikh>jed: yes
17:24<danieldg>jtsage: I've learned to copy-paste and not retype :)
17:24<dominikh>that's quite some Mbit there
17:25<jtsage>danieldg- really. i had enough trouble managing to reverse ipv4... these are just killer
17:26<danieldg>well, I just got mine up about 5 minutes after finding I had to install bind to do it
17:26<jtsage>alas, everyone now agrees on one serial number for the zones, all is well in the world
17:27<@jed>ever had to go backwards with SOA serials?
17:27<@jed>probably one of the best experiences available in IT
17:28<jtsage>backwards? as in, force the new one to be lower? or?
17:28<Peng>danieldg: You could find another DNS host, of course. has a nice interface for it, even nicer if you're using one of their tunnels.
17:28<jtsage>well, that doesn't sound like it would be fun
17:28<@jed>oh, it's a *thrill*
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17:29<bob2>don't you need to be a customer or do the ipv6 certifiaction thing to use that?
17:29<bob2>(if it's up again;p)
17:29<Daevien>hey jed.. is there any issue currently with the sending of emails for logging into accounts from an unverified ip?
17:29<Yaakov>I AM UNVERIFIED
17:29<Yaakov>AND I LOVE IT
17:30<@jed>Daevien: not that I'm aware of
17:30<Daevien>nm, emails came through after a bit.. tried it a couple times giving it a while in between
17:30<jtsage>Daevien- just did that myself, took about a minute and a half to show up to a gmail account. maybe a little less
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17:30<@jed>we send lots of e-mail, hang in there
17:30<Daevien>yeah, i waited longer than that and got nothing, all 3 just arrived same time
17:30<Peng>bob2: Yeah, probably, but it's easy to sign up for one of their services.
17:31*jtsage fondly rembers fidonet. and waiting days or even weeks for replies. those were the days
17:31<@caker>Daevien: who is the recipient so I can search for it.
17:31<Daevien>caker: i got the emails now
17:31<Daevien>had to give you $ :p
17:31<@caker>I've seen a lot of reports about email delays lately, but every single time I look it was delivered instantly (and the delay is elsewhere)
17:32<Yaakov>It's caker! Woo.
17:32<Daevien>it was to a gmail account, same as jed's
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17:33<@jed>mwalling: you still around?
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17:34<danieldg>bob2: most IPv6 providers give you control of reverse DNS delegation
17:35<danieldg>so just check with the person giving you your IPv6 address space
17:38<hawk>jed: It's pretty straightforward though, iirc? It's just a few well documented steps?
17:39<@jed>yeah, but making different software play nice with it is fun. I spent several hours getting nsd to obey
17:39<@jed>it's one of the chief hacks wrt DNS
17:39<Peng>I have nsd3, bind and PowerDNS slaves. That sounds like fun. =D
17:39<hawk>jed: Ok, I've only done it with bind slaves involved, and that plays nice with the official idea on how it should work
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17:48<mwalling>jed: am now
17:49<@jed>what's 'hexip' and why'd I get it on one person's WHOIS but not others
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17:49<mwalling>context? (go to pm if you want)
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17:53<@jed>stupid irssi
17:53<@jed>thought I found a bug in the oftcs
17:53<bob2>danieldg: I know, I was refering to their free dns hosting
17:53<bob2>danieldg: I'm an ipv6 sage yo
17:54<ahf>jed: hmm?
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18:09<hawk>BarkJr: indeed
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18:54<bear454>is the path pv-grub looks for for 64-bit different than 32-bit (hd0)/boot/grub/menu.lst ?
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19:05<nb>bear454, shouldn't be
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19:53<Kos>do any of you have one of those crappy verizon proviced routers?
19:54<linbot>New news from forums: php 5.3.5 in Web Servers and Web App Development <> || phpmyadmin help in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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19:58<jtsage>i... i don't know... is that what this rash is?
20:00<Yaakov>jtsage: Is it obscuring a tattoo?
20:01<jtsage>ummm... yes?
20:01<Yaakov>That could be data loss.
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20:08<Nivex>if the tattoo is a QR code and you didn't use enough metadata
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20:10<CompWizrd>i think data's lost.. though that halfass backups to B-4 might be recoverable.
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20:41<mwalling>you guys are a gold sponsor of pycon?
20:42<linbot>double pits to chesty, he nailed it
20:42<SelfishMan>!f chesty
20:42<chesty>#1 in the hit parade
20:42<linbot>SelfishMan: 1. (2)
20:43<chesty>who put that up there, bad grammar and all
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20:44<HoopyCat>Press DEL to enter SETUP , ESC to skip memory test
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21:15<linbot>New news from forums: Posts with ignorant curse words in the subject in General Discussion <>
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21:19<Deezire_>hah, now i've heard someone complain about that too..
21:21<Peng>Are non-ignorant curse words allowed?
21:21<Deezire_>I guess so!
21:21<jtsage>how about curse words said in a british accent so they sound high-class?
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21:24<avenj>Thou wimpled dismal-dreaming whey-face!
21:27<Ovron>"holy shit", is that it?
21:27<Ovron>perhaps he'd prefer unholy shit.
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21:27<dominikh>unholy feces
21:27<Ovron>although, when you self-censor yourself by writing shit as sh!t, you probably just should avoid doing it
21:28<Deezire_>You should aviod the Internet.
21:35<Peng>"sh!t" just looks stupid
21:36<DephNet[Paul]>i know someone that writes "fuck" as "fuk"
21:36<DephNet[Paul]>you have no idea how hard I want to slap him
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21:38<@heckman>Sleep time. Need to wake up early to drive to PA to tie off two more personal items.
21:38<avenj>that sounds ominous
21:38<avenj>need to borrow a shovel?
21:38<@heckman>Getting rid of braces, finally after 5 years
21:38<@heckman>And paying off the car.
21:38<@heckman>Well, technically treatment still wasn't finished.
21:38<avenj>sure you don't want me to just get the dremel and a pair of pliers? save a few bucks
21:38<@heckman>I cba to drive back to PA once a month to get em worked on.
21:39<@heckman>I need to go back to pay off the car. two birds, one stone.
21:40<HoopyCat>rtucker@tremens:/bin$ sudo mv sh
21:40<HoopyCat>rtucker@tremens:/bin$ sudo ln -s bash sh
21:40<avenj>debian? :o
21:40*nDuff would be selling his car, but he lost the keys
21:40<nDuff>(sure they'll show up eventually...)
21:41<DephNet[Paul]>nDuff, sure they have not been nicked?
21:41<DephNet[Paul]>thats happened alot around here over the last 4 months or so
21:41<HoopyCat>looks like about 90% of the problems people have with this software that comes in a 3.2 GB shell script are because of dash
21:42<nDuff>DephNet[Paul], ...not _certain_, but it doesn't strike me as particularly likely -- that keyring doesn't have any of the keys I use particularly often, so leaving them in a door (and inviting a crime of opportunity) doesn't happen with that set so much.
21:43<DephNet[Paul]>nDuff, i guess, but I know of someone that got robbed, and the only thing that went missing was the keys to his year old Skyline
21:44<DephNet[Paul]>6 weeks later, after he had a new set of keys set from Nissan, the car went missing
21:44<nDuff>well, if it takes 6 weeks, the car will be sold by then :)
21:45<HoopyCat>that's why i drive a 9-year-old toyota
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21:45<hawk>HoopyCat: If the script requires bash the it should not say #!/bin/sh but #!/bin/bash
21:45<DephNet[Paul]>that was not his daycar
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21:46<DephNet[Paul]>i also know someone that had their satnav nicked from their car
21:46<HoopyCat>hawk: dogs should also not poop in my front yard, but you can't reason with 'em. same deal with commercial software.
21:46<DephNet[Paul]>2 weeks later their house was done over
21:47<DephNet[Paul]>the satnav was taken when the car was in the car park at work
21:47<Perihelion>you can stop the pooping by feeding them fiberglass
21:47<hawk>HoopyCat: Well... "bash" would be the obvious workarond for a single broken script. But I dunno.
21:47<nDuff>House is behind two locks, neither of which was on that chain. Also occupied by a two dogs, one of them large.
21:48<mwalling>nDuff: have your dogs been eating and defecating normally?
21:48<mwalling>yes, i went there.
21:48<DephNet[Paul]>nDuff, and you probably are not moronic enough to put your home address in the "home" button on the satnav
21:49<HoopyCat>hawk: there's shell scripts that call shell scripts that call binaries that call shell scripts that run java applets that generate shell scripts that all have #!/bin/sh at the tops of them that synthesize hardware that contains /bin/sh
21:49<hawk>HoopyCat: Sounds like fun
21:49<mwalling>HoopyCat: but is your $JAVA_HOME set
21:50<HoopyCat>mwalling: the documentation says to NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES touch that
21:51<HoopyCat>scripts who are binaries who like binaries to be scripts who do binaries like they're scripts who do scripts like they're binaries always should be something you really run
21:51<Luizg>HoopyCat: if it's changable then obviously they want you to change it!
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21:52<HoopyCat>Luizg: i'm having problems getting it to obtain a license off of the licensing server, which is always fun because it's the free edition of the software that doesn't need a license
21:52<linbot>New news from forums: Mercury Drupal and Apache Solr Integration in General Discussion <>
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21:57<zmaril>Question: how do I get vnc working?
21:58<Luizg>zmaril: install it, run.
21:59<zmaril>Luzig: vncserver is installed and I tried the start command. Remote desktop connection is not connecting though.
21:59<HoopyCat>oh great, now it'll insult me when i insult it
22:00<Luizg>zmaril: is it listening on the right port/interface? (netstat -anp). That port not firewalled?
22:00<HoopyCat>(good news is that the installer hasn't thrown an error yet)
22:02<zmaril>Luzig: not sure. I ran netstat with anp. How do I tell if it is firewalled?
22:02<Luizg>iptables -L ?
22:02<Luizg>and it should be listening on * or, not localhost
22:03<eyecool>my eyes is going crayzay
22:03<eyecool>misis gng crzy
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22:03<eyecool>falung long duck dong
22:04<eyecool>mao tse tsung
22:04<eyecool>that wasn't PF's Chang, mang
22:04<zmaril>iptables isn't showing much. Nothing about * or
22:04<eyecool>oops.. linbot got me on that trigger
22:05<HoopyCat>we're now targetting the EP2C35F672C6 baby
22:05<eyecool>HoopyCat: how's my favorite cat?
22:05<Luizg>zmaril: if vncserver isn't showing up in netstat, on the port it's supposed to be listening on (5900 by default) then it's not running. Check the logs
22:05<zmaril>Will do. Thanks.
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22:06<HoopyCat>eyecool: lovin' life since replacing the dash with the bash
22:06<eyecool>HoopyCat: nice! That's better than hasg
22:07<Ovron>bashing the dash in a dashing bash bashed out all the dashing problems
22:08<eyecool>jed: is that a mind map video of the revolutionary linode service: DNC?
22:09<HoopyCat>HELLO WORLD
22:09<HoopyCat>i can now avoid going into the lab tomorrow :-)
22:11<eyecool>HoopyCat: I have no idea what that is, but I bet it's awesome
22:12<HoopyCat>eyecool: it's... hmm... a and b or not c
22:12<HoopyCat>well, (a and b) or (not c) to be explicit about it
22:13<HoopyCat>it was the first vhdl file i found to test it out :-)
22:15<eyecool>HoopyCat: rotate it -90 degrees and it looks like a 3 legged robot
22:17<HoopyCat>eyecool: rotate it -90 degrees and it becomes a capacitor
22:18<eyecool>HoopyCat: I only see the capacitor if I rotate it 270 degrees...
22:19*HoopyCat passes the j to eyecool
22:19<mbreslin>that auction must be against ebay tos right?
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22:20<eyecool>mbreslin: wow.. I didn't catch it until the end... wonder what his kickstarter looks like
22:21<mbreslin>it must be the new hotness ebay scam?
22:21<mbreslin>or something, i've never seen that before
22:21<HoopyCat>mbreslin: of course not, as long as the ebay fees are paid
22:21<mbreslin>it reminds me of the original xbox launch, people selling "xbox box" for 1k$+
22:22<mbreslin>HoopyCat: obviously profit counts but they do close a ton of auctions which are even less shady than that one
22:23<Luizg>7 day money back!
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22:24<Luizg>and yeah, anyone winning that and paying via paypal is going to lodge a complaint/etc
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22:25<bob2>only the finest vendors take paypal
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22:26<Perihelion>actually it's incredibly misleading since the rest of the info indicates that they have the item and will ship it
22:26<Perihelion>worth reporting
22:29<mbreslin>Ask seller a question: Dear Sir/Madam, you are a shit eater. Cheerio, mbreslin.
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22:34<mbreslin>i want a used macbook for the couch
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22:35<mbreslin>i've never owned a mac but i've messed with one at work
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22:40<eyecool>sometimes u harden the server, sometimes the server hardens you
22:40<Ovron>I just discovered pyMOL. I guess python-resistance can only last for so long. *shakes fist*
22:40<linbot>New news from forums: VNC/GUI Access with a CR-48 in Linux Networking <>
22:40<HoopyCat>eyecool: that's what it's like being a linode customer ;-)
22:41<eyecool>HoopyCat: 8 hours and a few gray hairs later!
22:41<HoopyCat>eyecool: open a support ticket if you experience an erection lasting more than 4 hours
22:41*eyecool moving on
22:42<eyecool>HoopyCat: I'll save the ticket for when I'm on my death bed... until then, lesson learned =x
22:42<eyecool>oopss.. thats an ugly emoticon
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22:47<sdfe>hey guys -- after adding the line "PermitRootLogin no" in my /etc/ssh_sshd_config", I still can login in with the root account to my linode. Any clues as to why this isn't working, and how I can get it to? I'm on the archlinux image
22:47<Ovron>sdfe: restarted sshd?
22:48<Peng>sdfe: For one thing, is it really /etc/ssh_sshd_config? Not /etc/ssh/sshd_config?
22:48<Peng>For the other thing, what Ovron said. :)
22:48<Ovron>quite a few cool publication covers have been generated with PyMOL, om nom
22:49<Knight>yo @ Peng and Ovron
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22:49<Ovron>heya Knight
22:49<Peng>Knight: Greetings, Earth-being.
22:50*Knight tips hat and shows some carbon chain to indicate his earth-being
22:51<sdfe>yes, it is /etc/ssh/sshd_config - that was a mistake, sorry. Yes Ovron, I've restarted sshd many times now
22:51<Ovron>:O where is my 18 april 2009 science journal?!?! *bursts into tears*
22:52<auraka>does anyone have a good web designer they use....I'm looking to spend $500-1000 for a fairly simple design but it has to be coded as well
22:52<@jed>I'd wager it's where the last person who had it left it
22:52<Ovron>jed: I fear I might actually not have received it, and it has such a cool cover :(
22:53<Ovron>sdfe: are you sure you're doing it on the linode and not your local computer? Checked for duplicate entries of PermitRootLogin, where the latter is set to Yes?
22:54<synapt>auraka: I imagine most people in here either -are- web designer/developers like myself, or are companies who actually have their own personal designer/developer, lol
22:54<synapt>Gawd I hate that bot
22:55<synapt>bad mikegrb
22:55<synapt>or that script of his anyways (if I recall he's not a bot?)
22:55<Ovron>it has not been proven either way, if he is or not
22:55<sdfe>Ovron: yep, got all that covered. Should I restart the machine?
22:55<auraka>synapt: well I'm looking for people need to speak up
22:55<sdfe>if I can
22:56<Ovron>sdfe: afraid I don't know what's up then; rebooting probably won't change much if you're restarting ssh successfully. No error messages when issuing the restart?
22:56<synapt>auraka: Well I just kinda explained why people aren't :P, I'd offer to help you with it though I doubt I have the time for what you'd want in that range, you may wish to try a freelancer site maybe?
22:56<sdfe>ovron: correct -- no error messages
22:59<sdfe>ah, I got it. I'm a moron. I was editing ssh_config, not sshd_config. So sorry about that.
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23:11<linbot>New news from forums: Recommendations for a script to run an IMAGE HOSTING site? in General Discussion <>
23:13<Ovron>ikea's website is so rage inducing >:(
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23:15<sdfe>what's wrong with it?
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23:16<dominikh>they send you a bunch of tags and you have to build the site
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23:16<sdfe>hahahah :)
23:18<Ovron>it is just slightly annoying, when trying to find things in their directory; you nearly have to know exactly what you want by their product names to find it by the search, rather than looking through the listing ;p
23:19<Ovron>looking at getting a larger desk; 2 or 3 pieces from the GALANT series, hmm
23:19<Ovron>they have them with motors for raising/lowering as well... but a bit pricey. *ponders*
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23:27<dominikh>motors... ikea... scary, seriously
23:27<b0tz>Im getting an error while trying to copy a large (34Gig vmware guest OS folder) onto my external HD in ubuntu, about 5gigs it gives me Error copying file, the error is "Error splicing file: File too large"
23:27<b0tz>anyone had this problem\know a fix?
23:28<Luizg>b0tz: what filesystem is on that drive?
23:30<b0tz>for filesystem type it says msdos, so im guessing ntfs? I dont think its fat32 which has like a 4g file cap or something like that
23:30<Luizg>er, that's fat, then. if it was ntfs, it'd say ntfs
23:30<Luizg>convert it to ntfs and try again.
23:30<b0tz>ah, okay. will do :p thanks
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23:30<dominikh>msdos certainly won't be ntfs, unless it means the format of the partition table itself?
23:31<b0tz>thats what i just figured dominikh when googling it
23:31<dominikh>just check the output of "mount" to see what fs it uses though ;)
23:32<dominikh>there we go :)
23:32<dominikh>no 34 gigs for you there :P
23:32<b0tz>ahh. its mainly used as a backup drive, so ntfs should be alright?
23:33<dominikh>if you want to use it on windows machines as well then yes, ntfs
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23:37<b0tz>Thanks :p
23:38<Ovron>if you're using it on winxp as well as win7 make do it in winxp
23:38<Ovron>there's still horror stories about the journaling messing everything up when you connect a ntfs drive to winxp, that was formated/used in vista/7
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23:39<b0tz>ah i see
23:39<b0tz>well i formatted it using gparted in ubuntu
23:39<b0tz>It really wont be used in windows
23:39<b0tz>im just backing my stuff up to switch from ubu to linux mint
23:40<b0tz>would ext4 be better>
23:40<Ovron>I am not keeping tabs on ext4; I use ext3 and 2 (well, mounting 3 without journaling, for some things)
23:41<b0tz>I see..
23:42<Ovron>is ext4 production-worthy now?
23:42<Ovron>heh, apparently for 2 years, already :p
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23:42<b0tz>so i read and hear from friends, thats what they use for their mount points
23:43<b0tz>I havent used windows except for a VM so i havent had to deal with ntfs for a while
23:51<Ovron>Anyone that has used LTO5 drives yet, and perhaps LTFS? Is it as awesome as it sounds?
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23:57<Ovron>linear tape file system
23:58<Ovron>mount tapes like a block device - kind of, as far as user-usage goes.
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23:59<linbot>SelfishMan: Point (0.08522950, 0.08064781) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 17562 of 22341 (π ≈ 3.144353430911777 - 0.002760777321984)
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