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---Logopened Wed Nov 02 00:00:45 2011
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00:26<tonyyarusso>In Apache, in the line <VirtualHost _default_:443> , what does _default_ mean and where does it come from?
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00:28<bob2> <- bottom of page
00:28<npmr>beat me to it
00:28<npmr>although i was going to paste 2.2 docs
00:29<arrty>nginx or bust
00:30*tonyyarusso is trying to explore the realm of multiple SSL sites
00:30<chesty>nginx + bus == bust
00:30<bob2>tonyyarusso, sure, you just specify the IP for each in the <VirtualHost> directive
00:30<tonyyarusso>bob2: name-based, with the SNI extension
00:30<bob2>an optimist!
00:31<bob2>for sanity you likely just want to specify the IP
00:31<tonyyarusso>I only have one IP.
00:31<bob2>specify or * then
00:32<tonyyarusso>what or *?
00:32<bob2>specify the IP or use *
00:33<tonyyarusso>I'm getting warnings about overlap when restarting apache - not sure if that matters.
00:33<bob2>-> show us the output + config files
00:33<bob2>possibly you forgot ServerName
00:34<bob2>or are using a too old version of it
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00:40<tonyyarusso>bob2: Okay, here's what I have so far - has one site and the other. An apache2 restart says "[warn] _default_ VirtualHost overlap on port 443, the first has precedence". Apache version is 2.2.14.
00:41<StevenK>Do you have NameVirtualHost *:443 ?
00:42<tonyyarusso>I don't think so?
00:45<tonyyarusso>ooo, found a useful looking doc page - *reads*
00:47<dcraig>StevenK, the first one has no ServerName
00:48<dcraig>also, you don't want to serve any content for people visiting or
00:48<tonyyarusso>dcraig: me, not StevenK
00:48<dcraig>oh whoops!
00:48<dcraig>tonyyarusso, the first one has no ServerName
00:49<tonyyarusso>dcraig: In the 443 section? Righto - should fix that. The domains you're mentioning are just HTTP, and in a different, unaffected, file.
00:51<dcraig>for this email service you're running, why not force people to use SSL by redirecting them to the https site?
00:52<dcraig>oh wow you do :D
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00:52<tonyyarusso>StevenK: I found where that is now - ports.conf. That does the trick.
00:52<tonyyarusso>dcraig: :)
00:52<StevenK>Adding ServerName probably helps too
00:53<dcraig>could have done that in a lot fewer lines :p
00:53<tonyyarusso>dcraig: which, the force SSL?
00:53<tonyyarusso>on mail?
00:53<tonyyarusso>Whee, it seems to be working now. Sweet.
00:54<Obsidian|server>it's rm -fr / day everybody
00:55<chesty>Obsidian|server: doesn't work in new distros
00:55<Obsidian|server>also did you know that the word "gullible" is painted on the ceiling of the irc channel today?
00:56<chesty>Obsidian|server: you can post it all day long, it doesn't work anymore
00:56<chesty>Obsidian|server: try it for yourself
00:56*Obsidian|server boots up VirtualBox
00:56<Obsidian|server>...wait, I don't have a recent distro.
00:56<Obsidian|server>Project for another day then.
00:56<dcraig>tonyyarusso, probably something like this would have been sufficient:
00:57<chesty>10.04 is recent enough
00:57<Obsidian|server>My distros are stored on an external drive 15 feet away
00:57<Obsidian|server>and i am warm and comfy right now
00:57<Obsidian|server>it might as well be locked in a safe until morning XD
00:59<tonyyarusso>dcraig: probably true.
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00:59<tonyyarusso>something to fuss with another day
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01:04<dwfreed>Obsidian|server: yeah, enough gullible people were running that that coreutils added a switch to rm that stops that from working, and made it the default
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01:12<chesty>dwfreed: did you know that --no-preserve-root doesn't actually work, either?
01:12<StevenK>It doesn't?
01:13<chesty>try it out if you don't believe me
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01:13<chesty>on your highest priority production server
01:14<StevenK>chesty: Go find a bridge
01:16<bob2>From: nagios Subject: FIORDLAND IS DOWN
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01:19<Fieldy>what's that
01:20<rnowak>someone killed norway
01:20<Fieldy>pining for the fjords
01:21<Fieldy>THIS... IS AN EX SERVER!!
01:29<tonyyarusso>dcraig: Why is it that is not showing the blue SSL indicator in the URL bar, but does? I think there might be something screwy with my rewrites / SSL forcing.
01:29<dcraig>firefox says
01:29<dcraig> uses an invalid security certificate.
01:29<dcraig>The certificate is not trusted because no issuer chain was provided.
01:30<dcraig>also, I think you gave me two identical URLs
01:30<bob2>it's tonyyarusso's own CA
01:31<bob2>not a consensus reality one
01:31<tonyyarusso>dcraig: The invalid cert part I expect, but not the different behavior for the / and /about URIs.
01:32<tonyyarusso>dcraig: You can add to Firefox temporarily if you'd like to see it as my users do.
01:32<dcraig>after I add the exception, I see blue in the bar for both
01:32<tonyyarusso>orly? Hrm.
01:32<dcraig>oh, I do for a while, then the page finishes loading, and it disappears
01:32<tonyyarusso>Yeah, see, what's up with that?
01:32<dcraig>I think some content on the homepage is not encrypted
01:33<dcraig>the two youtube videos
01:33<tonyyarusso>Ooooooh - probably the youtube!
01:33<tonyyarusso>yeah, okay. So not actually my fault.
01:34<rnowak>stays blue with noscript denying it to load scripts
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01:50<dcraig>tonyyarusso, why are the people blurred out in the pic on the homepage?
01:50<tonyyarusso>dcraig: a) They're children, and we don't feel like dealing with the implications of that, and b) It puts the focus on John.
01:51<dcraig>I'd find a different picture that doesn't require such obvious photoshopping to be usable
01:51<tonyyarusso>Well, perhaps, but that's not my area of concern :)
01:52<rnowak>some younglings on /issues ;p
01:54<tonyyarusso>Yeah, they must just be trying to focus on John there. No other reason to blur Dave and Joel.
01:54<dcraig>I think I'd blur the top half of the image, too
01:55<dcraig>so there's not that big blur/no-blur line running through the middle of the pic
01:55<rnowak>I could come up with reasons that would be negative to John by having it blurred like that, just saying ;p
01:55<bob2>but seriously fix the photo
01:55<dcraig>and it'll just look like the camera had a really shallow depth of field
01:56<bob2>on a personal note, "Balancing the Budget" without a list of things you will cut is just more wah wah wah wah please vote for me tea party hicks
01:57<tonyyarusso>bob2: I'm not sure I understand what you just said.
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01:58<bob2> does not list a single tax hike or item to cut from the budget
01:58<tonyyarusso>(For background, we do have a serious budget deficit issue in this state currently, because previous legislatures used what were basically accounting shenanigans to pretend there was more money than there really was.)
01:58<bob2>== not serious about balancing the budget
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01:58<dcraig>he's obviously going to fire the people who know how to photoshop things well
01:58<bob2>way off topic
01:59<EugeneKay>DEY TOOK ERR TAXES!
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01:59<bob2>but it angers me when people say "wah wah I will balance the budget" but do not explain which voters they are willing to burn
02:00<bob2>seems almost universal across western politics to claim you'll balance the budget but will not raise taxes, even on the absurdly wealthy and will not cut all but the softest targets from the budget
02:00<tonyyarusso>bob2: You can't begin talking about which line items to change if the overall process doesn't work. His poing is we need to first be honest about what a balanced budget even means, then pursue drafting one.
02:01<bob2>a good start would be explicitly stating the he will have to cut lots of money from the budget or raise taxes
02:01<bob2>anything else is an implicit lie
02:01<rnowak>If you elect me, bob2, I promise to lower tax on cakes.
02:01<rnowak>Everybody would vote for me.
02:01<bob2>rnowak, but how will you make up for that revenue shortfall?
02:01<bob2>hike taxes on urmom?
02:01<@mikegrb>mmm cake
02:01<rnowak>Cake haters will have raised income tax.
02:01<bob2>rnowak, winnar
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02:02<bob2>you even told me who you were willing to anger!
02:02<@mikegrb>mmm cake
02:02<rnowak>All cake haters need hating
02:02<tonyyarusso>bob2: Not or, and. If he were in charge with no other legislators to worry about there would be cuts and raised taxes. Probably more of the latter now, since we've spent the last 12 years or so cutting stuff, although usually the wrong stuff.
02:02<@mikegrb>mmm cake
02:02<bob2>don't h8 the cake, h8 the system
02:03<tonyyarusso>I think our total taxes for the average taxpayer have gone up, but on the state balance sheet they've gone down, because the legislature cut stuff and made cities fund it by tripling property taxes.
02:04<bob2>tonyyarusso, I know nothing about him but what I read on his website, so I'm happy to believe that, but compare it to
02:04<bob2>the taxation section lists their policies on which taxes to raise
02:04<bob2>admittedly your guy is one dude, but it's also the state senate
02:04<rnowak>The Greens' logo is horrible :p
02:05<bob2>their fonts on that site are awful
02:06<tonyyarusso>bob2: Yeah, generally speaking you're absolutely right. It's just that the particulars like that haven't been the bigger campaign issue for his race recently.
02:06<rnowak>just seeing it in the periphery of my view, it reminds me of a warning symbol of some sort, like biological waste material :p
02:06<bob2>I think that may not be an accident ;p
02:09*tonyyarusso sighs
02:09<tonyyarusso>There is so much cleanup that really *ought* to happen with this site, not to mention the constituent database. But I just don't have the time.... :(
02:10<tonyyarusso>We are gradually making it so the non-techy people can do more without me though, so that's progress.
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02:24<pharaun>thoughts on ->
02:24<pharaun>i just got linked to it today and i was like >_>
02:26<chesty>sounds good
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02:26<rnowak>what? all the thing?
02:26<chesty>mv /* /usr
02:27<chesty>ls / -> /usr
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02:28<Kane`>is there a way to find the top X largest files on system?
02:28<rnowak>well, it doesn't look too bad just odd, very odd
02:29<fulgore>Kane`: try 'du -h'
02:29<tonyyarusso>pharaun: poiasdhfpasoihwegoaweihgsa what now? Isn't there some sort of, oh, standard that's supposed to determine where stuff goes?
02:29<rnowak> tonyyarusso, I guess you're thinking of
02:30<tonyyarusso>rnowak: yes indeedy
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02:32<Kane`>fulgore, can that be sorted, or something, to not show _every_ file and instead show the largest files?
02:32<Kane`>at the moment, i'm using `find / -size +50000k`
02:34<tonyyarusso>Kane`: yes - give me a minute
02:35<pharaun>tonyyarusso: heh, well they said the point of /bin /sbin was to have like bin & static bin, that you needed to boot up the system, but now days most of em use initramfs for that shite, so what's the point of bin and sbin, might as well dump it all into /usr/bin and also
02:35<pharaun>bunch systems have trouble booting properly without /usr/bin anyway
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02:36<chesty>find / -ls | sort -nk 7
02:36<chesty>and wait a long time
02:36<tonyyarusso>Kane`: find ./ -type f -size +10000k -exec du '{}' \; | sort -nr | head -5
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02:36<tonyyarusso>Kane`: that's just for under a portion of the filesystem - replace ./ with / for the whole system.
02:38<Kane`>cheers :>
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02:42<fulgore>Kane`: you can do 'du |sort -nr'
02:42<fulgore>biggest dirs will be at the top
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03:49<dcraig>everything seems to be working as expected
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04:30<kyhwana>I shouldn't have drunk all those belgian style beers
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05:49<tim_>Hi Linode, I want to sign up for a new account with my credit card, setup a rails app for my client, and then "clone" or transfer the VPS over to my client's Linode account. Is this possible?
05:50<marius>Yes, you can put in a ticket fomr both accounts to have ownership of that node transfered
05:51<tim_>awesome thanks
05:52<kyhwana>why do so many people ask for that?
05:52<marius>There are many reasons
05:52<tim_>in my case, I want to get this server set up and not have to wait for my flakey client to sign up for the linode account
05:52<jenner>sounds like a valid use case
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05:54<bob2>kyhwana, to avoid using a automated deployent tool!
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06:02<rnowak>how dare they make things like deployment tools
06:08<AlexC_>I use FTP as my deployment tool
06:08<AlexC_>the security that it offers was the tipping point for me
06:09<kyhwana>lol ftp
06:09<linbot>Please use SSH/SCP/SFTP/rsync-over-ssh instead of FTP:
06:09<AlexC_>kyhwana: I am of course joking ;)
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06:12<amitz>oh please. a good app will install itself, you just need to release it to the wild. no need for deployment manager.
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06:13<AlexC_>my apps are always in a state of deployment because I edit on the production server
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06:15<amitz>i have physiical control of my production server, literally at the tip of my fingertip.
06:15<chesty>your phone?
06:15<amitz>*ouch*, sorry exposed cable.
06:15<kyhwana>amitz: so you can literally touch it?
06:16<amitz>chesty: yes.
06:16<hawk>I thought that maybe the power button is broken so he has to push it at all times, or something
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06:18<amitz>hawk: oh, it's just that the cows who uh...cow the stationary bike to generate the power are dead of old age.
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06:18<amitz>there is someone to blame for that, you know who you are.
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06:20<amitz>anywa, given hd shortage, i'm considering to buy a new hd. does linode take steps to ensure that they won't run out of space.
06:20<kyhwana>amitz: I imagine so
06:21<chesty>if they run out of space, you can't add new space on that host anymore, you'd have to move hosts
06:21<rnowak>They actually ran out years ago - everybody is just visited by two men in black upon purchase and reprogrammed to think they have a linode
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06:31<amitz>kyhwana: chesty is funnier than rnowak atm. 1-0
06:31*amitz slowly hides
06:31<amitz>and ruuuuuun <3
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06:36<amitz>soon the egg break, hopefully.
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06:37<amitz>hey, my younger brother is playing with my nickname! naughty younger brother!
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06:44<Solver>amitz: tell him to get his own :)
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06:45<amitz>Solver: it will be "Tiny-amitz" ;-)
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06:49<Solver>mini-amitz :)
06:51<amitz>ah yes, mini amitz sounds right :-p
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07:01<linbot>New news from forums: Newbie Debian Squeeze : adduser (s) in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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07:11<user2307>We are here to seek help for hosting our website
07:12<user2307>We have developed the website using Python and SQLITE
07:12<user2307>PLease suggest
07:13<user2307>nd being new to it we are struggling with it
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07:14<user2307>we have installed Django
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07:14<user2307>we have created a local environment but we are struggling on LINODE
07:15<user2307>Bad typing habbit
07:15<user2307>we tried following it. No Go
07:16<user2307>well we have created a server as suggested by link given above
07:19<user2307>10.04 LTS
07:19<praetorian>SpaceHobo: X.
07:19*Solver hearts Debian GNU/Linux
07:20<praetorian>i determined after reading that stallman thing the other day, im making no effort to calling it GNU/Linux.
07:20<user2307>Thanks for your support SpaceHobo
07:20<Solver>Saint IGNUatious? :)
07:21<Solver>oh I spelt it wrong...
07:21<hipsterslapfight>praetorian: talking about the RMS rider?
07:21<hipsterslapfight>it is pretty much the most hilarious thing
07:21<hipsterslapfight>i lost it shortly after reading that you shouldn't buy a parrot just to make him happy
07:22<swaj>that rider is priceless
07:22<hipsterslapfight>but he would however like to visit any of your friends with parrots
07:22<swaj>there's a tumblr on it with some funny comics now
07:22<dzho>the funny thing about the "GNU/Linux" bit is just how completely right Stallman is about the usefulness of differentiating its parts.
07:22<dzho>Debian has an effort to BSD-ize (my phrase) Debian, by replacing the kernel used
07:23<hipsterslapfight>SpaceHobo: i think RMS and RMS fans are hilarious, yes
07:23<dzho>or is it the userland?
07:23<swaj>Debian GNU/kFreeBSD
07:23<swaj>it's the kernel
07:23<swaj>GNU userland
07:23<Solver>and there is Debian GNU/Hurd too
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07:23<hipsterslapfight>also it doesn't say anywhere that somebody actually bought him a bird afair
07:23<Solver>SpaceHobo: I totaly respect the work RMS does
07:23<dzho>anyway, the other bit that's totally hugely relevant is that Android uses the Linux kernel, but a completely different userland, and pretty much no one refers to it as "Linux"
07:24<Solver>dzho: I do :)
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07:24<dzho>'Linux never prospers, what's the reason? For if it doth prosper, none dare call it Linux'
07:24<Solver>but yes you are right that pretty much no one does :)
07:24<hipsterslapfight>SpaceHobo: well surprise that RMS fans are at least alightly insane though :v
07:24<swaj>yeah, I refer to it as "crap" :P
07:24<dzho>Solver: you do what?
07:24<Solver>SpaceHobo: yep, I avoided the term fan
07:24<Solver>dzho: refer to it as Linux (o point out that it runs on a Linux kernel)
07:25<Solver>dzho: Linux most definitely has prospered
07:25<dzho>Solver: so how's that working out for you?
07:25<hipsterslapfight>i was using the term 'fan' for the guy that buys him a parrot, puts him up to a room, sets his airconditiongin to exactly 72° etc
07:25<Solver>dzho: yeah not bad. My phone runs 2.6.33 iirc
07:25<praetorian>SpaceHobo: i probably found the whole "must call it GNU/Linux" quite a bit over the top. I mean, its not GNU/Linux/Red Hat
07:25<praetorian>(cause redhat developers have added quite a bit of code, etc)
07:25<dzho>Solver: like, what terms do you use when referring to your phone, just "Linux"?
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07:26<dzho>praetorian: I think it's fair to argue that referring to the entirety of something by using the name of one of its parts is a valid figure-of-speech.
07:26<hipsterslapfight>it should be shortened, maybe to debunux
07:27<Solver>dzho: well I was being somewhat facetious. I point out that it runs on a Linux kernel just as I may do for Debian or whatever
07:27<dzho>Solver: :-)
07:27<Solver>is Android a Linux distribution?
07:27<Solver>SpaceHobo: good answer
07:28*dzho has been captivated by the idea of having a Hellaphone: Inferno atop the Android Linux kernel
07:28<rnowak>Android/Linux tyvm ffs etc.
07:29<dzho>rnowak: I see what you did there
07:29<Solver>you mainstreamers.. my phone runs plan9
07:29<Solver>was????? :)
07:29<swaj>marvel as stallman eats crap off his foot
07:29<Solver>plan9 lives!
07:30*Solver sites out the relgious war
07:30<rnowak>I'd prefer to call it RMS/Linux, as no one else really gives a shit
07:31<rnowak>I am sure they'd see the humor in it
07:31<dzho>rnowak: I like how you're making such a point of not giving a shit
07:31<hipsterslapfight>rnowak: not if they're anything like stallman they wont
07:31<rnowak>dzho: yes.
07:31<praetorian>i miss hoopycat
07:31<dzho>I've been wondering about him, praetorian
07:31<praetorian>i tweeted him a while ago
07:32<Solver>dropped off irc?
07:32<hipsterslapfight>wait what happened to hoopycat
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07:34<@Praefectus>school happened to hoopycat
07:34<praetorian>poor kids these days
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07:35<praetorian>yeah, but the other should work
07:36<spkitty>haha hashbangs
07:36<praetorian>should work fine for you then
07:36<praetorian>the whole #! thing annoys me.. stupid people beaking the web
07:36<praetorian>oh baby.
07:37<spkitty>praetorian: especially as they're entirely pointless with the HTML5 history api
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07:41<praetorian>SpaceHobo: well cry like a man then
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07:53<walterheck>hello, I added a private ip to my linode (debian 6 64 bit in Dallas) on the remote access'
07:53<walterheck>page, rebooted my linode, but ifup eth1 say no such device
07:53<@Praefectus>did you configure static networking?
07:54<walterheck>Praefectus: yup
07:54<walterheck>auto eth1
07:54<walterheck>iface eth1 inet static
07:54<walterheck> address
07:54<walterheck> netmask
07:55<walterheck>AlexC_: what about it?
07:55<@Praefectus>did you follow our static networking guide?
07:55<AlexC_>walterheck: it should be eth0, unless I am mistaken
07:55<rnowak>eth0:something, has to be an alias of the first and only interface
07:56<walterheck>oh right, I see now
07:56<walterheck>I suck, thanks :)
07:56<AlexC_>rnowak: meh, only if you want ifconfig to show it
07:56<rnowak>he is using ifconfig, so
07:57<walterheck>probably should get used to using ip instead of ifconfig, but it's hard to change habits :)
07:57<AlexC_>walterheck: yes you should
07:57<praetorian>do you know how long it took me to tsop doing 'nano -w'
07:57<praetorian>(back when i preferred nano)
07:57<rnowak>pico now, yes?
07:58<praetorian>no, ed of course
07:58<rnowak>I wonder if there is one called ångström
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07:59<walterheck>works like a charm now, thanks guys
07:59<dzho>rnowak: to match the editor called nanometre, of course
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08:00<dzho>"not as small as yocto, but sounds like a Marx Brother"
08:03<praetorian>here's a hoopcat i prepared earlier.
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08:49<Louis>Do private IPs cost anything? I just enabled mine by accident. It didn't ask me to confirm or anything so I'm guessing it's not a big deal.
08:49<akerl>Nope, no charge for private IP
08:49<AlexC_>Louis: only time
08:49<Louis>ty akerl
08:49-!-mode/#linode [+o akerl] by Praefectus
08:49<Louis>AlexC_, How much time :O
08:49<rnowak>laker is always there to help (:
08:49<AlexC_>Louis: all of it
08:50<Louis>AlexC_, :(
08:50*akerl looks around for "laker". Sees nobody.
08:50<Louis>but we only live for 20 years... unless we get... MOAR TIME!
08:50<Louis>lol @ movie trailers
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08:57<amitz>hmmm... lol
08:58*amitz crackling crazily.
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10:00<jcap>bob2, sure. I'm not a huge wordpress fan, nor php, but I need a well supported cms to let non technical types manage content
10:00<jcap>I'm trying to protect against a single point of failure
10:02<amitz>user is a single point of failure :-D
10:04<marius>WP IS <3
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10:04*marius pets his lovely WP
10:05<marius>jcap, why not put them on joomla?
10:05*marius falls over laughing
10:05<amitz>joomla, the oompa loompa
10:06<@stan_theman>joompla joompa joomladee do
10:06<@stan_theman>i've got another system for you
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10:08<jasuess>Is someone asking a WP question?!
10:08<jasuess>A question I can answer?!
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10:12<MarkQtty>hi guys.... from there looks that the planet network it's pretty slow...
10:13<@caker>MarkQtty: there's a lot of Internet involved - what makes you think it's a problem in Dallas?
10:14<MarkQtty>mtr command look pretty slow only to dallas from there...all other destination point look ok.... :-(
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10:15<@caker>mtr tests latency and loss -- not 'speed' .. confused ... you can try this:
10:16<MarkQtty>sorry my mistake, before i mean latency and packet loss...not just speed
10:16<MarkQtty>sorry for that
10:16<MarkQtty>-> "hi guys.... from there looks that the planet network has packet loss...."
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10:17<@caker>MarkQtty: can you pastebin your mtr results please? (mtr -rn <ip>)
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10:19<jcap>marius, any sugggestions on running a redundant wordpress cluster?
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10:22<MarkQtty>probably y'r right, the delay start on a node before planet
10:22<MarkQtty>(i'm from europe)
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10:23<@caker>yeah, looks like seabone?
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10:26<MarkQtty>yeah it's look some nodes on seabone down...
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10:27<MarkQtty>thank you, sorry for the misunderstanding about english just sucks
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10:32<gerryvdm>are packages from to be trusted? quality/stability/security-wise?
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10:41<@caker>MarkQtty: your English is great, no worries -- glad I could help (kinda)
10:48<Yaakov>Howdy, caker.
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10:51<MarkQtty>:-) have a nice day..
10:51<@caker>hello Yaakov!
10:51<marius>Hi Marius!
10:52<Yaakov>Hello, marius.
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10:52<marius>I'm popular ^-^
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10:59<Yaakov>Well, you are popular with me.
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11:31<maushu>Would there be any problem to acquire lots of ipv4? Since there was that ipv4 apocalypse some time ago it's going to be hard doesn't it?
11:33<Fieldy>yep. generally after your 2nd ip they will need a very good reason for more
11:33<Fieldy>"i'm paying you" won't get you far in that regard
11:34<Nivex>I for one welcome our new 128-bit overlords :)
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11:35<maushu>Fieldy: How about using protocols that don't support virtual hosts?
11:35<Fieldy>maushu: such as what?
11:35<Fieldy>this is gettin kinda silly, i'll let caker take over
11:35<@caker>why on earth would you need different IPs to ssh into the same box?
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11:36<@caker>multiple chroot ssh or something?
11:36<maushu>Just an example. :p Let me explain.
11:36<@caker>answer: use different ports
11:37<maushu>I have this idea for this service that allows the user to create servers on a tcp port. (non admin ports > 1024), the problem is that with a single a ip they can't choose the port.
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11:37<maushu>And I don't want that ip to be pointing to a important machine either.
11:37<maushu>With ipv6 this would be easy. Not so much with ipv4.
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11:38<maushu>Maybe I will wait until ipv6 becomes more used for this to work. :(
11:41<Fieldy>generally you'll be able to get two IPs (3 if you really make a good case), and can use ports 1024 - 65535 (unless they are already being used for some listening app)
11:41<Fieldy>which is more than enough
11:42<maushu>I would optimize the system, of course. By giving an unused port from the ip pool instead of getting another ip.
11:43<Fieldy>i do believe i'll step away from this one ;p good luck
11:45<maushu>The alternative is generating random ports or denying the user an already used port.
11:46<maushu>Hmm, well, if I keep the number of linodes per "user that require a already in-use port" ratio... it might work.
11:46<@heckman>Fieldy: each Linode comes with one by default, additional ones require justification.
11:46<Fieldy>heckman: yep. i know :) i got one more and went for a 3rd which didn't happen, which is fine
11:47<maushu>...what the hell am I talking about. ipv6 save me!
11:47<@heckman>Stop killing IPv4 address space, Fieldy. :x
11:47<@akerl>maushu: So use a datacenter with IPv6?
11:47<Fieldy>i'll hop on ipv6 the moment it comes on line in atlanta
11:47<maushu>But.. but... ipv6 are ugly.
11:47<@heckman>I heard they standardized this system to map names to addresses... :X
11:48<@caker>what's so funny about IPs, love and understanding?
11:48<Fieldy>my /etc/hosts file is 5.9GB
11:48<Fieldy>good day
11:48<maushu>heckman: Right... as if every user would get a d- know that might work.
11:48<@heckman>Couldn't you just get a domain and set up some type of system to give them their own subdomain?
11:49<maushu>heckman: That would only work with the http protocol.
11:49<@heckman>I'm talking about with IPv6 (if you do multiple addresses)
11:49<maushu>heckman: You're a genius.
11:49<Fieldy>move your plan from a pool of ipv4 addresses to a pool of ports above 1024
11:50<Fieldy>shouldn't be a big deal
11:50<maushu>No, no. I use ipv6 but instead of giving our ips, I give out subdomains (or the user's domain).
11:50<Fieldy>you told us it was ipv4.....
11:51<maushu>Fieldy: I was trying to avoid giving to the user that huge ugly thingy.
11:51<maushu>Subdomains are better to remember.
11:51<maushu>Now the problem is ipv6 support. *sigh*
11:53<maushu>I blame all of this on node.js
11:54<maushu>What was Ryan thinking?!
11:54<swaj>node.js = win
11:55<swaj>what's the issue you have with it?
11:56<swaj>according to, node.js has had ipv6 support since version 0.0.5, released 2009.06.18
11:57<spkitty>how did i know this was going to have something to do with node.js
11:57<swaj>don't blame node :P
11:58<spkitty>i see all three of us are in #node.js :v
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11:59<swaj>yes, I idle there like a pro :P
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12:15<maushu>That was me playing around with ipv6.
12:15<maushu>Didn't go well.
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12:17<SleePy>Curse you he!
12:17<SleePy> 4. 63.3% 49 56.0 59.9 55.8 66.3 3.6
12:19<boba>HE curse you!
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12:28<hawk>Indeed... In Soviet Russia HE curses you!
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12:31<SleePy>I should snail mail them a ethernet cable. It might get there before my packets get through them :P
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12:33<dwfreed>interesting, when I mtr, Once it pops into HE's network, I don't see it again until it hit's linode's router
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12:34<SleePy>My pings are across ipv6. They seem to show HEs router
12:34<dwfreed>I think mine are running across ipv4 atm
12:35<SleePy>Ipv4 is 12 hops to my node. IPv6 is 7 :D Same ping time
12:35<dwfreed>oh, right, host machines don't have AAAA records
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12:42<Zippers>is there a linode forum post/wiki article that has the list of public IP ranges that they use?
12:44<boba>I dont know of a comprehensive list, but you can check and search for Linode
12:45<boba>That should get you a bunch of them
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12:46<Zippers>alright, that looks like a good start, thanks! was looking for a page similar to but i guess i can't always get what i wish for
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12:47<grueblur>I need support.
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12:47<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
12:47<Fieldy>start with asking a question :)
12:47<grueblur>Password reset request is not hitting my email.
12:47<grueblur>email address confirmed with billing status, etc.
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12:48<grueblur>I checked spam, no messages.
12:48<grueblur>Further, a password reset message a few weeks back was handled appropriately.
12:49<grueblur><_< >_> My password algorithm is a little wonky, right now.
12:49<grueblur>But I promise to remember it this time! :D
12:50<grueblur>So, there's that.
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12:53<linbot>New news from linodelibrary: Set up a LAMP Server on Ubuntu 11.10 (Oneiric) <>
12:54<grueblur>any ops on?
12:54<grueblur>Need account management support.
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13:02<grueblur>ericoc: minutes are like hours.
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13:11<maushu>grueblur: what email host are you using? Might be a problem on their side.
13:12<grueblur>checked spam folders, nothing.
13:12<maushu>Or the tubes are just clogged.
13:12<grueblur>I checked all the series of tubes on my end.
13:12<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
13:12<grueblur>I removed a narwhol and some bacon, but that's about it.
13:13<maushu>narwhal? I have bad news for you.
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13:13<grueblur>narwhal, yes.
13:13<maushu>It seems your tubes are full of redditors.
13:13<grueblur>*pounds table*
13:13<grueblur>Nuke it from orbit.
13:13<maushu>You can now panic. Please panic in a orderly manner.
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13:18<dand>can I create a self signed certificate for both and ?
13:19<mitmatt>just thought i'd ask: any student discounts for the linode services?
13:22<@heckman>dand: I believe you can accomplish that with SubjectAltName
13:22<@heckman>mitmatt: no we do not, sorry.
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13:24<mitmatt>thanks :)
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13:24<brandon272>I removed a couple of extra IP's from my Linode and now no IP's except for my main IP are responding. I am getting no errors when I do /etc/init.d/networking restart. Is there another place I should look for errors?
13:24<brandon272>I can do a pastebin of my interfaces file if that would help!
13:25<dand>heckman: thanks. reading
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13:26<@heckman>brandon272: have you tried pinging your gateway from each IP?
13:29<brandon272>heckman: I am able to ping from the IP to the gateway successfully. I assume that means that the interface is connected properly. Could be an apache issue then?
13:29<@heckman>I mean did you ping your gateway from the ones that weren't working?
13:31<brandon272>The IP that isn't working is, so I ran "ping -I"
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13:32<@heckman>64 bytes from icmp_req=1 ttl=63 time=0.421 ms
13:32<brandon272>Oh heavens... it's working!
13:32<@heckman>That IP replies to ICMP and I can get HTTP headers from it. :p
13:32<brandon272>I'm sorry.
13:32<@heckman>Gateway ping probably fixed it.
13:33<brandon272>Thanks for the help! I appreciate it greatly.
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13:40<MTecknology>I get to monitor system stats for >1hr.....
13:40<MTecknology>this is gonna be fun
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13:54<linbot>New news from linodelibrary: Creating Accounts on DirectAdmin <> || Installing DirectAdmin on Debian 6 <>
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13:57<hawk>heckman: I'm here now, anyway
13:57<@heckman>hawk: I sent you a quick PM.
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15:12<grueblur>Hey there. I have a hostgator shared server and registered a DNS record with them. I'd like to transfer it to linode so I can manage everything in a single interface. What's the best way to do that?
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15:14<@caker>grueblur: get everything running on the Linode, hack your local computer's /etc/hosts to point your domain(s) at the Linode to test, and when satisfied switch DNS over
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15:15<grueblur>right -- well, I want to understand the process, "switch DNS over". I know I can simply point to a different server, but I would like to transfer the registration and manage my DNS via linode.
15:16<grueblur>Or, am I barking up the wrong tree with that? Must I have a discrete DNS registrar?
15:17<@caker>Your registrar is with whom you've registered the domain with -- can have nothing to do with who is hosting it (the authoritative nameservers)
15:17<@Praefectus>Linode doesn't do domain registrations
15:17<grueblur>^ Praefectus -- that's the answer I'm looking for. Thanks.
15:18<@caker>Linode HOSTs DNS, but we're not a registrar -- we're talking about different things here, no?
15:18<grueblur>I think so. I was wanting to transfer my DNS registration so that I could manage everything with a single billing interface.
15:18<@caker>We have an awesome 'DNS Manager' which our DNS servers host your zone, and a great interface allowing you to add/edit/remove records and such
15:19<@Praefectus>awesome doesn't scratch the surface
15:19<@caker>you'd still pay your registrar for the domain
15:19<@Praefectus>grueblur: take a look -
15:19<grueblur>I'm not sure I understand completely, but -- that's why I am here. So, I can point my DNS to linodes dns servers, and then break down the management of these records /here/?
15:20<grueblur>Sounds dreamy.
15:20<grueblur>I love the interface.
15:20<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
15:20<grueblur>Whoever is responsible for the web management side of things diserves a form of bacon that I have yet to discover.
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15:21<grueblur>So, is there a howto on delegating DNS services to linode servers rather than my clunbky hostgator account?
15:22<grueblur>I am in DNS guides now in the library buit it is a bit like sipping from a firehose.
15:22<grueblur>I wear so many hats I haven't developed a proper mastery.
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15:22<hawk>grueblur: Add the zone in the linode dns manager thing, go to your registrar and change nameservers to ns1,ns2,ns3,ns4,
15:22<@caker>GLaDOSDan: is hostgator your domain's registrar? .. what is the domain?
15:22<@caker>grueblur: --^
15:24<grueblur>by the way? I think I'm in love.
15:24<grueblur>thanks for you're help.
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15:28<grueblur>hrm, soa email THis is for MX records?
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15:30<synapt>SOA email is generally the email of the individual/contact(s) managing the records
15:30<Tiven_>soa email is start of authority
15:30<grueblur>nodnod. I am a newb. figuring that out now.
15:30<synapt>(you use a . instead of an @)
15:31<synapt>Though I think you -can- use an @, but it's spec-incorrect if I recall
15:31<grueblur>it said it wasn't a valid address. methinks it wants a proper address in the webform.
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15:33<hawk>Yeah, might well be that the form asks for what the actual email address is
15:34<synapt>and just converts it, yeah, could be
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15:34<jasuess>Howdy people.
15:34<dand>anyone have experience with free ssl from ?
15:34<dand>is there any problem with using it?
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15:35<jasuess>So, how long should it take for a subdomain to start working?
15:35<dwfreed>jasuess: depends on your TTL
15:36<jasuess>Default across the board.
15:36<synapt>linode's DNS refreshes every 15m of the hour if that's what you're using
15:36<synapt>eg; 00/15/30/45
15:37<dwfreed>jasuess: which domain?
15:37<jasuess>Yeah, Its been an hour... I get the feeling I screwed up something along the line.
15:38<dwfreed>jasuess: with your current TTL settings, it could take up to 2 days for to work
15:38<@caker>$ dig +short
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15:39<ingy>greetings. why is 32bit os still recommended? (good url is a fine answer)
15:39<jasuess>It shouldnt make a difference wether its an A/AAAA record or a CNAME record right?
15:39<synapt>ingy: less memory overhead on the lower nodes primarily
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15:40<jasuess>caker - Since it know the right IP does than mean I probably screwed up the virtual host configs?
15:40<kyhwana>we need a trigger for that
15:40<ingy>lower == cheaper? (aka 19.95 512MB)
15:40<synapt>if you had like an 8GB+ linode it might be worth going for otherwise if you need it, otherwise not really worth it
15:40<synapt>lower as in lower memory yes
15:41<ingy>I guess there's only one way to find out how bad it really is...
15:41<ingy>synapt: ta
15:42<synapt>It's not really 'bad', just an unnecessary overhead more or less
15:42<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
15:42<linbot>Bacon is what makes food good!
15:42<synapt>I mean when you figure most (if not all?) *nix distros have PAE these days, which help bypass the 4GB 32-bit limit
15:42<linbot>jasuess: *click*
15:42<synapt>It's not like windows where microsoft themselves explicitly hard-limit RAM even with PAE
15:42<ingy>yeah, but the "world" is going 64. I get people looking at me like I'm a k00k for using 32.
15:42<synapt>no microsoft is, because of what I just said :P
15:43<synapt>we're still a good long time away before even the epoch 32-bit issue would hit so :P
15:43<Obsidian|server>ingy: ignore them, use what you need to.
15:43<Obsidian|server>synapt: not if you do anything with future scheduling and calculations
15:43<synapt>Obsidian|server: Like I said 'need'
15:43<rsdehart>ingy: what benefit do they purport for using 64 when you don't need it?
15:43<synapt>I didn't say not to use it at all period
15:43<ingy>well most of it is at ActiveState where I work on cloud stuff, and they don't even support 32
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15:44<Obsidian|server>...ActiveState? oho, them eh
15:44*Obsidian|server clings to Komodo
15:45<Obsidian|server>you can't take it back it's mien now you sold it to me
15:45<jasuess>I do like my Komodo Edit.
15:45<Yaakov>Hey, ingy.
15:45<ingy>I'll pass it on
15:45<ingy>hi Yaakov
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15:46<ingy>I forgot you'd be here
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15:46<Obsidian|server>jasuess: I try looking at the other IDEs out there and cringe when they start up. And start up. And start up. And start up.
15:46<Yaakov>ingy: I am nearly everywhere.
15:46<ingy>Yaakov == my favorite linode wonk
15:46<Obsidian|server>eventually i just kill the processes before it fully loads
15:46<jasuess>Obsidian|server: Everyone keeps telling me they like Aptana but I just never like it
15:46<Obsidian|server>why must nearly all ide's be made in java ;__;
15:46<jasuess>Too much refreshing and project based stuff
15:46<Yaakov>I do like Komodo Edit as well. That or vim, depending.
15:46<jasuess>I just want to see a folder and make it a root.
15:47<Obsidian|server>aye...I've been playing with Cloud9 a bit more lately
15:47<Yaakov>OK, I am going home! Yay!
15:47<Obsidian|server>but the local install not having any kind of authentication to lock it down to specific users is a huge turnoff
15:47<ingy>Yaakov: I think I've convinced AS to license Stackato for free to non-commercial single vm.
15:47<Yaakov>ingy: You're the man.
15:48<jasuess>Ingy, Got any free Komodo IDE keys?
15:48<ingy>now we need to pump it out through linode
15:48<Obsidian|server>ingy: impressive
15:48<Yaakov>ingy: Well, convince the caker!
15:48<Obsidian|server>cloudize ALL the things
15:48<ingy>jasuess: just do a release of Perl 5 and they'll give you one :)
15:49<ingy>practically anyone can do that now
15:49<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
15:49<Obsidian|server>jasuess: perhaps you should send them bacon
15:49<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
15:49<Obsidian|server>lots of bacon, that might be persuasive
15:49<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
15:49<jasuess>Looks like he triggers off of just bacon
15:49<Obsidian|server>CUE MONTY PYTHON SPAM SKIT
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15:50<jasuess>Well if I know what "do a release of Perl 5" meant I would do it.
15:50<jasuess>Listening to music messes with my typing!
15:50<ingy>fyi, I am here because I'm setting up the node that will host by the end of the day
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15:51<ingy>gonna try 64bit for grins....
15:51<grueblur>mmmm, 64 bits.
15:51<Obsidian|server>i like 82 bits better
15:52<@heckman>>9000 bits
15:52<kyhwana>5 bits ftw
15:52<jasuess>Wouldnt it be 80 bits?
15:52<Obsidian|server>heckman: WHAT HAVE YOU DONE
15:52<ingy>I'm gonna make a git repo under a permissive github organization, so almost anyone can update :)
15:52<Obsidian|server>oh dear
15:52<jasuess>Ingy, Let us know how long it takes to get defaced.
15:52<Obsidian|server>my thoughts exactly :|
15:53<Obsidian|server>watch as a java fan strolls by and slaps on "XML IS BETTER" on every page
15:53<ingy>well all defaces will answer to github I guess
15:53<jasuess>Back to my subdomain issue.
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15:53<jasuess>Anyone have any IRC alternatives for Mac OS besides Colloquy?
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15:54<Obsidian|server>jasuess: ssh + screen + favorite cli irc client
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15:54<Obsidian|server>you should try that challenge too, perhaps
15:54<jasuess>Obsidian|server: Let me solve my subdomain issue first.
15:54<Obsidian|server>linode 512 + ipad, or cr48
15:54<swaj>Textual is decent -> You can grab the source from github and build it yourself to avoid license fees if you so desire :P
15:54<Obsidian|server>I might take a whack at it with my own cr48
15:55<@heckman>I wish I had gotten a CR48 =/
15:55<@heckman>I can't justify a cost of a Chromebook otherwise, tho
15:55<jasuess>swaj: I was looking into that. It looks really nice but I dont have that XCode since I dont normally use Mac OS.
15:55*Obsidian|server nods
15:55<jasuess>My new job has me using Mac OS though.
15:55<swaj>XCode is free on the AppStore
15:55<kyhwana>jasuess: well, you could a) install xcode or b) pay for it? ;)
15:55<grueblur>Mac OS is smiled upon for its posix underbelly.
15:55<Obsidian|server>the chromebooks need a lower price point tbh
15:56<@heckman>Indeed. That's what is shying me away from one.
15:56<jasuess>Well what the hell. I looked up xcode on google and all I saw is you had to be a Mac dev in order to get it.
15:56<swaj>search it on the mac app store
15:56<swaj>it's free
15:56<Obsidian|server>I'd like to see what happens when chromeos finally gets a native client
15:56<Obsidian|server>might actually have utf8 support within the crosh terminal
15:57<jasuess>So, Since Caker did that record search and saw my linode IP. Does my subdomain not working mean that is a Virtual Host problem?
15:57<jasuess>swaj: thanks.
15:58<Obsidian|server>possibly. Maybe it'd DNS propagation?
15:58<jasuess>swaj: My director of development may wonder what I am up to if I start using it haha. He is the other dev here and he does strictly mobile development, primarily iOS.
15:58<@heckman>When I view that domain I get: There is nothing to be found here. Move on.
15:58<Obsidian|server>has that had enough time?
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15:58<swaj>jasuess: well you need XCode (or at least GCC) installed to compile anything on OSX :P
15:58<jasuess>heckman: Must be Porpagation. Cause mine still shows that it finds nothing.
15:58<@heckman>Could be negative caching on your side.
15:59<@heckman>Or on your ISP's resolvers
15:59<jasuess>Well since you see that page it lets me know its just a time factor.
15:59<Obsidian|server>"have you tried rebooting the internet?"
15:59<jasuess>Ill get Textual working and check it again.
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15:59<jasuess>And apparently Mac OS has software updates for me.
15:59<Obsidian|server>somebody call al gore
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16:00<Obsidian|server>we need an internet reboot
16:00<swaj>it's worth noting that TExtual only costs $5 on the mac app store if you don't feel like going through the XCode download :P
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16:00<Obsidian|server>swaj: but that's the price of a COFFEE
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16:00<kyhwana>swaj: also how much your time is worth to you ;)
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16:00<jasuess>swaj - I know. I like be technical. If I used Mac OS outside of 9 to 5 then I would consider it.
16:00<swaj>meh, I'll stick to my tmux + irssi setup :)
16:00<kyhwana>If it's worth more than $5 to fuck around installing xcode/etc
16:01<swaj>I find my linode makes a great IRC box (amongst other various things)
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16:01<jasuess>I need OSX 10.7
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16:01<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
16:01<jasuess>Oh does he lulz when someone says lol?
16:02<Takyoji>Will there be any possibility of two-factor auth for Linode at some point?
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16:02<hawk>kyhwana: Installing xcode is probably the least troublesome way of getting a full development toolchain (gcc, etc)
16:02<Obsidian|server>Takyoji: I certainly hope so myself
16:02<Kos>Takyoji: for logging into your control panel?
16:02<swaj>yeah, agreed
16:02<Takyoji>Because I would love such, especially if it's possible with Yubikey
16:02<Kos>Takyoji: there is the ability to restrict IPs logging in
16:02<Takyoji>For the control panel, yes
16:02<swaj>there is a standalone GCC for OSX though... can't remember the URL, but XCode is far easier.
16:02<Kos>unrecognized IP requires email auth
16:02<jasuess>So how do you get the previous stable version of XCode in the App Store?
16:02<Kos>Takyoji: I'd be cool with yubikey support, also
16:03<kyhwana>Takyoji: they have to fix password character limits first
16:03<hawk>jasuess: If you're running an odler OS X version you probably have an older Xcode version on your DVDs...
16:03<Takyoji>because for implementing Yubikey, it shouldn't be that difficult to implement (or some OTP algorithm)
16:03<swaj>jasuess: Xcode from the app store only runs on Lion. if you want the snow-leopard version, you need to have an apple developer account and download it from the dev site :P
16:03<Takyoji>and password character limits should be irrelevant if there's SHA-512 hashing going on..
16:03<jasuess>I wonder if my director has a apple dev account.
16:03<Obsidian|server>swaj: or a borrowed download?
16:03<hawk>swaj: Or install it from he discs
16:04<swaj>hawk: the version on the disk will be very out of date
16:04<jasuess>Sounds like Ill ask my Director of Dev first.
16:04<kyhwana>Takyoji: indeed
16:04<jasuess>Then the IT guy.
16:04<Kos>Takyoji: s/SHA-512/any/
16:04<Takyoji>is there any specific place to submit basic ideas for Linode, so that it's at least on record?
16:04<swaj>jasuess: update to Lion
16:04<kyhwana>Takyoji: the forums?
16:04<Takyoji>I suppose
16:04<@mikegrb>mmm cake
16:04<Kos>send a cake
16:04<Kos>with the suggestion on it
16:05<Takyoji>I just might do that. :P
16:05<Obsidian|server>and if that doesn't work
16:05<Obsidian|server>send bacon
16:05<Obsidian|server>and if THAT doesn't work
16:05<Kos>inside cake
16:05<Obsidian|server>send a hit squad
16:05<Takyoji>Laser-printed bacon?
16:05<jasuess>Obsidian|server: mike didnt do his bacon macro
16:05<swaj>bacon inside cake. It's like heaven.
16:05<Takyoji>with the message laser printed on it
16:05<jasuess>Oh no
16:05<kyhwana>Obsidian|server: or send someone to pee in the plants at the linode office till it changes
16:05<jasuess>The spam reply bot is broken.
16:05<Obsidian|server>kyhwana: start messing with the lights, rearrange the desks constantly when nobody's looking
16:06<Obsidian|server>maybe adhere one of the chairs to the ceiling
16:06<kyhwana>Fill cakers office with packing peanuts
16:06<swaj>Perihelion, your perl script ... err... I mean mikegrb is broken.
16:06<Obsidian|server>swaj: or he's throttling responses
16:06<Obsidian|server>probably could say bacon now and he'd reply
16:06<Obsidian|server>Nope. WOO!
16:06<hawk>swaj: It tastes like heaven but it looks like bacon, or how was that?
16:07<swaj>I want a bacon cake
16:07<@caker>kyhwana: the password length limit is completely arbitrary - people complained about 32 chars, so then I made it 128, and people are still complaining .. and they will complain about 512 or 1024 or whatever .. does it really matter beyond 50 chars or so??
16:07<Obsidian|server>that would be entertaining
16:07<@Perihelion>swaj: wat
16:07<kyhwana>caker: oh sweet, you did fix it then, a few years it was 20 or something
16:07<kyhwana>(I did ask yesterday, but no one was paying attention :)
16:08<@mikegrb>mmm bacon
16:08<swaj>Perihelion: go kick mikegrb, his bacon and cake spam is broken. The channel just seems... wrong without them.
16:08<Kos>caker: speaking of random security stuff, i heard u liek exif data in your twitter photo
16:08<Obsidian|server>....Excuse me I need to go do a yubikey+pin password
16:08<dwfreed>"i want to be able to set a 1024 character password!"
16:08<EugeneKay>I go with 250 chaacters as the general limit for strings because it fits neatly within 2^8.
16:08<@Perihelion>swaj: You tell smelly lies.
16:08<EugeneKay>If you need more than that, you're a douche
16:08<swaj>I want cake!
16:08<Kos>Obsidian|server: they're quite nice, I'm just not a fan of the OTP model they're using
16:08<Kos>well, not
16:08<Kos>well, not "not a fan", just would prefer something like Google Authenticator
16:08<Obsidian|server>dwfreed: naw, but I like having the ability to use a 32char yubikey password + pin for a password
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16:10<swaj>caker: why have a limit anyway? Don't want your webserver to hash huge strings? :P
16:10<jasuess>You know you're losing your mind when you question wether or not the phone number your typed is the right phone number youve had for the past 6 years.
16:11<@caker>swaj: the ascii file I store the plaintext in doesn't like long lines
16:11<swaj>caker: rofl
16:11<hawk>caker: :)
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16:11<@akerl>In reality, heckman is in charge on keeping track of passwords on the whiteboard, and he can't write fast enough for long passwords
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16:12<@heckman>Yeah. Here's a cool secret: Just type in the first letter of your password and it'll work.
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16:13<Kos># file /linode/passwords : ASCII text, with very long lines
16:13<mixman>i've a billing related question, any linode staff to discuss?
16:13<@caker>Kos: what did I miss about the exim data in that photo? the gps/location data?
16:13<EugeneKay>You people joke about it, but I store all of my passwords in plaintext..... on an un-networked laptop with two layers of TrueCrypt required to get at them.
16:13<Kos>caker: it's there, don't know if you missed it, I just point it out to most people if I see it just because a lot don't know/forget that GPS tagging is on by default
16:14<@caker><insert joke about those coordinates being urmom's house here>
16:15<Kos>it is an airstrip... so...
16:15<Nivex>caker: I just remembered something: victor airway intersections are 5 letters long....
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16:16<Gabtendo>my 768 linode in dallas has horrible ping on the tf2 server I'm running?
16:16<Gabtendo>it was fine yesterday, I haven't changed anything since then
16:16<@caker>Gabtendo: The Internet
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16:16<jasuess>Gabtendo: How well does running a TF2 server work on a Linode?
16:16<Nivex>caker: we must now find a way to register the "URMOM" intersection
16:16<jasuess>I was wondering how well running a Linode as a game server would work.
16:17<@caker>Gabtendo: ping is useless in determining WHERE the loss is happening -- use mtr and pastbein the results (in both directions)
16:17<jasuess>XCode is 4gb?!
16:17<mwalling>caker: i think he's referring to the "ping" column in source games
16:17<@akerl>jasuess: Be glad they do incremental updates now
16:17<swaj>the download is 1.7 GB I think
16:17<hawk>jasuess: Maybe something like that installed. The download is 1.7 or so
16:18<jasuess>Well the only XCode 3.2.6 I could find has the iOS SDK with it
16:18<jasuess>And its 4.1 GB
16:18<swaj>that's old
16:18<swaj>4.2 is the current version
16:18<jasuess>But it doesnt run on my version of Mac OS
16:18<swaj>yes it does
16:18*Obsidian|server has no issues running TF2 on a node
16:18<swaj>unless you have leopard
16:19<jasuess>Which ever that one is
16:19<swaj>that's snow leopard -- I ahve 4.2 installed on that at work now
16:19<Obsidian|server>my server reports 63 ping atm via steam, not having any issues
16:19<jasuess>Well what the hell
16:19<mwalling>xcode 4 doesn't run on SL?
16:19<swaj>it does
16:19<mwalling>i guess my imac is in another dimension
16:19<swaj>4.2 will probably be the last version on SL, though
16:20<swaj>or at least the last major version
16:20<jasuess>The App store wont let me download it cause I need 10.7 or later
16:20<jasuess>ANd thats 4.2
16:20<swaj>you can get 4.2 from the developer site for snow leopard
16:20<swaj>if someone has a developer account
16:21<jasuess>I registered for one.
16:21<grueblur>for a subdomain to work with vhosts, do I need to make a special DNS record?
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16:21<jasuess>swaj - I see either 4.2 for Lion on the App Store or download 3 on that page.
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16:22<Gabtendo>caker: I'm not saying it's down?
16:22<Gabtendo>I'm just saying I'm getting a bad ping?
16:22<jasuess>Cause you have to be a "Program" member and Im just a free member
16:22<@caker>Gabtendo: that page describes how to use mtr
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16:22<swaj>surely someone in your company is a paid member?
16:22<jasuess>Sooo stupid.
16:22<bob2>grueblur, for any website to be accessible, the name obviously has to resolve to the web server
16:22<Gabtendo>caker: what do you want me to do
16:22<jasuess>YEah I think my director is.
16:22<Obsidian|server>Thaaaaat's Apple!
16:22<swaj>go get him to download it :P
16:22<mwalling>Gabtendo: how far is it from your house to dallas?
16:23<Gabtendo>I'm on Oklahoma
16:23<mwalling>i know
16:23<swaj>Obsidian|server: if he was running Lion, it would be free :P
16:23<mwalling>there's a lot of internet between you and dallas. use MTR to find out where it's kinked.
16:23<Obsidian|server>swaj: "if he had paid for an upgrade..."
16:23<Gabtendo>I know, but exactly what do I type in MTR to do that
16:23<swaj>Obsidian|server: oh yes, because that $30 upgrade to lion is a fortune!
16:24<jasuess>swaj - Then I would just pay the $5 for Textual
16:24<swaj>well your company should update your system to lion :P
16:24<jasuess>They should.
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16:24<jasuess>Probably when they upgrade me to 4gb and a Solid State they'll put in Lion.
16:25<Obsidian|server>upgrade all the things?
16:25<swaj>I recently put 8 GB of RAM into my MBP... next upgrade is a solid state drive :P
16:25<mwalling>Gabtendo: did you read like the section that says "What it do?"
16:25<jasuess>We'll they have to install the OS on that SSD.
16:25<JoeK>upgrade all the memories
16:26<Gabtendo>mwalling: but do I do it from my windows to my server
16:26<Gabtendo>or from the server to my home IP
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16:26<jasuess>If they do order the SSD ( dependant on how it performs in our sys admins laptop ) Ill probably tell them just to install Xubuntu 11.10.
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16:26<Obsidian|server>jasuess: miiiiint
16:26<Obsidian|server>jasuess: come to the miiiinttyyyy siiiiiide
16:26<grueblur>when I ping my domain from the outside, it responds with a response from Is it possible to make it respond with my domain name?
16:27<swaj>Lion :P
16:27<Obsidian|server>grueblur: RDNS
16:27<Obsidian|server>grueblur: remote access tab in the manager iirc
16:27<jasuess>Obsidian|server: I wonder if the IT guy uses Linux and what he prefers.
16:27<@caker>grueblur: Linode -> Remote Access -> Reverse DNS -> (Do it) -> wait a day or so
16:27<Obsidian|server>there's a link in there for "set reverse dns", if I remember right
16:27<jasuess>I know that the windows testing laptop next to me has Ubuntu & WinXP
16:27<dwfreed>TTL = 5m ftw
16:27<jasuess>So I know they atleast will use a Ubuntu OS
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16:27<Obsidian|server>jasuess: I just avoid ubuntu because of their nonfree paranoia anymore
16:28<jasuess>Their Media One thing has me bothered
16:28<Obsidian|server>dwfreed: won't some ISPs ignore the ttl if it's under like 30 minutes though?
16:28<jasuess>I use an OS for development not music and video entertainment
16:28<dwfreed>no idea, but they shouldn't
16:28<grueblur>I do not see a Remote Access tab in Linode Manager
16:28<swaj>a lot of ISP's ignore TTL period.
16:28<jasuess>If I wanted my OS to be an App MArket Id install Android.
16:28<grueblur>Oh, there it is.
16:28<swaj>Comcast is notorious for it.
16:28<Obsidian|server>jasuess: I go with mint because of codec <3
16:28<@caker>grueblur: Log in, click on your Linode, then the Remote Access subtab
16:29<Obsidian|server>still waiting for mint 12, and to find out if 11.10 supports Hi10P h.264 video or not
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16:29<Gabtendo>caker: do I do it from my server to my IP or from my home computer to my server
16:30<jasuess>Obsidian|server: See, I dont work with Videos so it doesnt matter to me about that at all.
16:30<Gabtendo>from the server to my home IP or from my computer to the server?
16:30<Gabtendo>which one do I use MTR on?
16:30<mwalling>Gabtendo: both ways would be ideal
16:30<Obsidian|server>jasuess: I watch stuff on mine, it's both a productivity OS and an entertainment OS
16:30<Gabtendo>mwalling: from the server to my home has two ???s
16:30<Gabtendo>is that bad?
16:30<mwalling>not always
16:31<jasuess>Gabtendo: Those are just hackers listening to your connection. Dont worry about them.
16:31<jasuess>Gabtendo: That was sarcasm by the way.
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16:31<Gabtendo>from the server to my IP:
16:31<Obsidian|server>THE HAXXORS
16:31<Obsidian|server>THEY ARE LISTENING
16:32<Obsidian|server>worse than the nsa, man
16:32<Nivex>Remember kids, always encrypt your data!
16:32<jasuess>Except those "special" pics of your hot attractive legal aged gf.
16:32<Gabtendo>now what?
16:33<@caker>Gabtendo: now get from home to the Linode
16:33<jasuess>Obsidian|server: What size Linode would you need for a 32 person BF3 server?
16:33<JoeK>take I-81 for 30 miles
16:33<JoeK>then jump on the linode turnpike
16:33<jasuess>^ haha
16:33<jasuess>That was epic.
16:34<@caker>Nivex: what am I looking for? :)
16:34<Nivex>caker: read the names of the fixes in approach order
16:34<Obsidian|server>jasuess: No idea, I've not played with BF3 server at all
16:34<Gabtendo>jasuess: what?
16:34<Obsidian|server>(and won't, I'm not touching EA products)
16:34<kyhwana>hmm, I thought BF3 servers were all run by EA?
16:34<Gabtendo>I thought BF3 didn't even have dedicated servers?
16:34<grueblur>I was just thinking it was BF3, time.
16:34<grueblur>damned helicopters.
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16:35<jasuess>People have to host PC servers. I dont know what they do for PS3 / XBox.
16:35<Obsidian|server>kyhwana: I think there were rogue ones out there
16:35<kyhwana>Obsidian|server: You mean for people who didn't pay the EA tax? ;)
16:35<Obsidian|server>however EA was threatening to ban accounts entirely if people played on said servers
16:35<Obsidian|server>even those who paid
16:36<Obsidian|server>AND to note, those people were being sent to those servers by matchmaking too
16:36<jasuess>That looks like a 3rd party host to me.
16:36<Obsidian|server>think it was during the beta though
16:36<Obsidian|server>either way, to kill all of someone's games for something like that, no thanks
16:37<kyhwana>Obsidian|server: lols
16:37<jasuess>I just hate that they use Origin as the game manager.
16:37<grueblur>I have had a hardon for EA since Chuck Yeager's Flight Simulator.
16:37<jasuess>No one uses Origin, Everyone is on Steam.
16:37<kyhwana>BF3 isn't on steam tho
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16:37<jasuess>Thats why I said...
16:37<Obsidian|server>though I am still disappointed by this:
16:37<jasuess>jasuess: I just hate that they use Origin as the game manager.
16:38<Gabtendo>caker: my machine to my server:
16:38<Obsidian|server>sad but true
16:38<jasuess>Obsidian|server: That call center guy looks stoned.
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16:39<kyhwana>Gabtendo: your ping looks fine, at least through till where it drops, are you dropping ICMP on your linode/router-firewall at home
16:39<Gabtendo>I'm firewalling it on the server
16:39<jasuess>Obsidian|server: Solution, Name your son after you and there you have it.
16:40<Gabtendo>hmm, it's a friend of mine that has the truly bad ping
16:40<jasuess>Tell him to drop AOL for a better ISP.
16:40<Obsidian|server>jasuess: GENIUS
16:40<kyhwana>Gabtendo: Don't firewall ICMP (especially don't drop ICMPv6)
16:41<Gabtendo>how do I un-firewall it?
16:41<kyhwana>just remove the rules you added to drop it?
16:41<jasuess>Obsidian|server: Im still working on convincing my wife to name our child after me. 3 mo's preggers.
16:41<Gabtendo>oh, derp
16:41<Obsidian|server>do it
16:41<hawk>Maybe a waterwall can cancel out the firewall?
16:41<Obsidian|server>GET A FIREHOSE
16:42<jasuess>hawk: I prefer fireextinguisherwalls
16:42<grueblur>And, with that, I'm ending my day.
16:42<grueblur>Thanks for your help today, guys.
16:42<Takyoji>Does Windowz support anything other than just friggen plaintext FTP? I know my clients will want file access to their websites, but not sure what protocol would be most sane that they could use that isn't crap.
16:42<dwfreed>Takyoji: putty ftw
16:42<jasuess>WinSCP has SFTP and SCP and Putty can SSH
16:42<Takyoji>I have SSH and all, but I highly doubt Windows supports such; unless if there's some sshfs plugin for Windowz
16:43<grueblur>ssh is ubiquitous.
16:43<grueblur>You'll likely have to make a pdf with screenshots and handholding.
16:43<mwalling>Windows is spelled with a "s", not a "z", and there are tons of clients for many protocols. Cyberduck, WinSCP, Filezilla if you're feeling retro
16:43<kyhwana>Takyoji: no, use filezilla/winscp
16:43<Takyoji>I just mean moreso "out of the box". I know Linux platforms (as I use) have SSH mounting available by default and so on
16:43<jasuess>Just make a cpanel-like file manager.
16:43<Takyoji>or that, as I've been thinking
16:44<kyhwana>(windows is teh sux0rz, etc)
16:44<grueblur>wndblows is teh meh
16:44<Takyoji>I've been intending on making a basic FOSS panel that can also bind to the Linode API (yay)
16:44<Takyoji>Don't worry, I'll have them off Windows in no time anyway. :P
16:44<Obsidian|server>Takyoji: filezilla supports sftp
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16:44<Takyoji>right now they're using Expression Studio (or whatever the redead corpse of Frontpage is)
16:44-!-grueblur [] has quit [Quit: CGI:IRC]
16:45<Takyoji>but yes, I've used Filezilla on Windowz workstations in the past
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16:45<Takyoji>Is there such a possibility as RAM quotas for users? :P
16:48<Takyoji>this is their current website by the way: :P
16:48<AviMarcus>i'm curious to know the answer to that.
16:49<Takyoji>and they have a really crap host, which forces you to transfer domain ownership to them, and doesn't ever answer calls or tickets (and if they do, it's rather snide), and it's pretty much a 'hay, I gots cPanel, I r a hostin company!' hosting provider.
16:49<Takyoji>So I'm trying to move them out of that hell
16:50<Takyoji>and they're almost at their quota of like 100MB; also while there's almost a thousand other shared hosting websites on the same crap server. xP
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16:52<Takyoji>and the registrar the crap host is through is eNom, and I contacted them about the issue with trying to regain control of the domain, and 'they can do nothing on their end about it, since the registrant is also the registrar as well'
16:52<ddebowczyk>hi, looking for help from linode staff
16:53<dwfreed>ddebowczyk: ask your question and staff will see it
16:54<ddebowczyk>i've just signed up, but cannot login nor received any confirmation email
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16:55<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
16:55<mwalling>that still works!
16:55<mwalling>ddebowczyk: ^^
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16:57<ddebowczyk>mwalling: ?
16:57<kyhwana>ddebowczyk: check your spam folder
16:57<ddebowczyk>kyhwana: already did it, nothing there
16:58<ddebowczyk>kyhwana: also - i've clicked back to the registration page to see if i entered email correctly, and it is ok
16:59<mwalling>ddebowczyk: the irc channel is "community support", the about page has a phone number
16:59<kyhwana>ddebowczyk: sometimes it takes ~30 minutes apparently
16:59<jasuess>I think this channel has its moments of unsupport.
17:00<mwalling>jasuess: you can fix it?
17:00<jasuess>Fix what?
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17:01<kyhwana>you can't fix the moments of unsupport
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17:01<@akerl>One might posit that you could nullify them by being supportful
17:02<ddebowczyk>mwalling: i've hoped i find somebody from support here
17:02<jasuess>akerl - I blame the myspace!
17:02<ddebowczyk>kyhwana: thanks, i'll wait a bit
17:02<mwalling>ddebowczyk: well, akerl just showed up, but he's the first employee in almost a half hour
17:02<ddebowczyk>mwalling: thx for tip
17:03<@akerl>ddebowczyk: As has been said, this is community support. I love the community, but if you want direct conversation between you and staff, tickets/email are the way to go
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17:04<ddebowczyk>akerl: hi, could you help me - i have trouble to log in after supposedly successful sign up
17:04<@caker>ddebowczyk: everything looks good on our end - mind trying again or resetting your password?
17:05-!-pygi [] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
17:05<ddebowczyk>caker: i've already tried it few times - no success
17:05<ddebowczyk>akerl: i've come here in desperation - resetting password didn't help
17:06<@caker>ddebowczyk: emails to gmail lag for whatever reason -- check with them again in a few minutes?
17:10<ddebowczyk>all: everything is fine, guys from linode helped me via email
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17:21<Gabtendo>a friend of mine is getting horrible ping to my Dallas linode
17:21<Gabtendo>I got him to ping all the other linode servers
17:22<@caker>ping is pretty useless -- he needs to do mtrs (and you need to get the mtr from the Linode back to him)
17:22<Gabtendo>and he has expected ping to those servers, but to the Dallas linode he's getting ~200 ping
17:22<Gabtendo>I got him to do MTR
17:22<Gabtendo>and I did MTR to him
17:22<Gabtendo>Here's my linode's MTR to him:
17:23<Gabtendo>here's his MTR to me:
17:23<kyhwana>Gabtendo: where does your friend live?
17:23<kyhwana>(the speed of light is too slow)
17:23<Gabtendo>Southern Canada
17:23<kyhwana>where in canada?
17:23<Gabtendo>he gets significantly better ping to the Atlanta linode server, which is significantly farther away from him
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17:24<@caker> <-- what the heck is that?
17:24<kyhwana>that's a pretty fail winmtr
17:24<Gabtendo>that's what he gave me?
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17:24<Gabtendo>what do you want me to ask him to do differently?
17:24<kyhwana>paste the entire route
17:25<Gabtendo>he said he did
17:25<Gabtendo>he said that was everything
17:25<@caker>and why is he mtr-ing dallas1? that's useless -- he needs to mtr to your Linode's IP
17:26<Yaakov>caker: Interpolate.
17:26<kyhwana>Note that my mtr to my node in dallas shows 40-90% packet loss (and ~200ms, but thats from NZ)
17:26<jasuess>I like the title of that pastebin.
17:26<jasuess>Hats Baby"
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17:27<jasuess>Damn Comcast and their choice of DNS servers.
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17:27<jasuess>heckman can see my page but I cant!
17:28<jasuess>Oh well. My project manager has nothing for me to do so I think Ill just head home 30 mins early and get started on BF3.
17:28<jasuess>Cya in 45ish minutes #linode!
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17:33<Gabtendo>caker: OK, here's his MTR to my server's IP:
17:33<Gabtendo>caker: and here's my server to his IP:
17:36<@caker>Gabtendo: those look great - under 95ms avg both directions or so
17:36<Gabtendo>why is he getting much better ping to servers farther from him?
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17:37<@caker>it's called the Internet .. closer isn't always better .. and routes change
17:38<Gabtendo>I mean, he gets comparable ping to Australia
17:38<Gabtendo>It just seems silly
17:38<Yaakov>Once I had a different route to and from a site. True story!
17:39<@heckman>Yaakov: <3
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17:41<kyhwana>oh, he left
17:42<hawk>That's no reason to stop, though
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18:04<Gabtendo>do any of you run any source servers?
18:05<kyhwana>I ran one for a few days, why?
18:05<kyhwana>(just ask)
18:06<Gabtendo>I'm trying to figure out how to fake the player count
18:06<Gabtendo>in the server browser
18:06<Gabtendo>google isn't being helpful
18:07<praetorian>let me guess.. you want to do that to make it seem more popular?
18:07<Gabtendo>that's the downside
18:07<Gabtendo>a huge majority of tf2 servers fake player count, the quick join system from Valve favors servers with more players
18:07<Gabtendo>so it sends people to the servers with 23/24 before the server with 20/24
18:08<Gabtendo>so, unless you want your server to die and not get any players to join
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18:08<praetorian>so, essentially your answer is 'yes'
18:08<Gabtendo>if you don't have an enormous active user base, the *only* way to start up a server is to fake the player coun
18:08<Gabtendo>praetorian: no
18:08<Gabtendo>preferably, I would disable it when the server is empty
18:08<Gabtendo>I'll try to modify it
18:08<Gabtendo>since it only matters when people are actually on the server
18:09<kyhwana>Gabtendo: I hate you (for faking player count)
18:09<kyhwana>So basically, go fuck yourself.
18:09<Gabtendo>it's designed so the only way to keep a server full is to have a fake player count - the behavior when the server doesn't have any players is undesirable
18:09<Gabtendo>or even when it has few players
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18:10<Gabtendo>kyhwana: and, why do you hate the fake player count?
18:10<kyhwana>Because it's complete bullshit "Oh, that server has 22 people, i'll join it" "Oh wtf it has <22 people, *disconnects*.
18:11<Obsidian|server>funny enough
18:11<Gabtendo>you'd disconnect because it had 18 people?
18:11<kyhwana>You're wasting my time, when I just want to jump in a game and play and you're fucking with me
18:11<Obsidian|server>that is something that is being discussed on hlds_linux
18:11<Gabtendo>you'd disconnect because it had 18 people?
18:11<kyhwana>Gabtendo: in pretty much all the cases it's 0-5 people
18:11<Gabtendo>but that's the time when I want to *dsiable* the fake player count
18:11<Obsidian|server>It's something that is being tossed around as something that kills quickplay reputation scores and also is being discussed as being "report-worthy"
18:12<kyhwana>Obsidian|server: goddamn right, I blacklist servers that do that
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18:12<Gabtendo>kyhwana: do you understand why I'd want it for when the server is more than half full, but not otherwise?
18:12<Obsidian|server>Lotusclan, saigns come to mind
18:13<Gabtendo>kyhwana: hellO?
18:13<kyhwana>yes, but that's still bullshit
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18:14<Gabtendo>I only want it faked when it's between 15 and 22 players
18:14<Obsidian|server>The only thing that I can think of that'll screw you over more than faking player counts is "premium benefits"
18:14<Gabtendo>becuase the server will die out from that point if I don't
18:14<Gabtendo>since /so/ many other servers are faking, it makes it impossible to keep the server up if I don't
18:14<Obsidian|server>engineers with multiple sentries for "donators"? Lol blacklist + report + spreading the word that it's a server to avoid
18:15<Gabtendo>yeah, premium benefits are dumb
18:15<Gabtendo>so are fake player counts
18:15<Gabtendo>all the empty servers that fake them are the only reason I have to do it with my server is nearly full
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18:18<Obsidian|server>Gabtendo: it's not hard to fill a server
18:19<Gabtendo>how do I fill a server?
18:19<Obsidian|server>just drag in a few people
18:19<Gabtendo>in my experience, getting 6 people online won't cause anybody to quickjoin?
18:19<Obsidian|server>granted I don't usually leave my server open for long - I keep mine passworded for my community to play on, that way they avoid the usual pubber douchebags
18:20<Obsidian|server>*most* of the time at least. The times I don't and I get 6 or so people on it usually starts to fill up, especially if it's stock maps
18:20<Gabtendo>want to come play tf2 with me
18:20<Gabtendo>note: I'm not faking the player count
18:21<Gabtendo> is the IP if you want to jump on
18:21<Obsidian|server>erm, not stock, core maps. Good ones. Not hydro or degroot or steel, but rather the better maps like badwater
18:21<Gabtendo>I'm about to go play some game
18:21<Gabtendo>some games*
18:21*Obsidian|server is in linux atm, gets 3 seconds per frame in TF2 on wine
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18:27<swaj>I'm wondering if cloud9 would be any good for node.js work. I dunno if I wanna pay $15/month for an IDE
18:27<Obsidian|server>swaj: it is, actually
18:28<Obsidian|server>swaj: only problem is restricting acccess - I have to hide it behind a firewall to keep people from mucking with my code if it's installed on my server
18:28<Obsidian|server>can always install it on your own box, it's on github after all
18:28<swaj>does that version have the bitbucket/github integration?
18:28*Obsidian|server shakes head
18:29<Obsidian|server>if you have git installed though, it'll pipe commands to the server itself
18:29<Obsidian|server>you *will* want to install it on its own user
18:29<swaj>seems like you have to kill/restart it to switch projects
18:29<Obsidian|server>or just have it on a full work tree
18:29<Obsidian|server>that's what I do
18:29<swaj>can you call mercurial from it?
18:29<swaj>I don't use git
18:30<Obsidian|server>I think you can do anything you can access from cli
18:30<swaj>oh, so it has a shell prompt
18:30<swaj>well I could even use SSH if I had to
18:30<Obsidian|server>I haven't tried stuff outside of git and basic shell commands, but I think that'd work
18:30<swaj>to control merc
18:31<Obsidian|server>Probably could use hub to interact with github if you wanted, for decent integration
18:31<swaj>I could just clone crap with the cli probably
18:31<swaj>maybe I'll try it out
18:31<swaj>does everything work in the self-hosted version? like debugging, etc.?
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18:32<Obsidian|server>I've not tried debugging, but I believe I saw the UI stuff for it present in self-hosted
18:32<Obsidian|server>so I would think so, assuming you had the server-side stuff for debugging
18:33<Obsidian|server>I found self-hosted to be more reliable than though, anyways
18:33<Obsidian|server>their version kept timing out all the time a few months ago, so I installed it on my box to use it
18:33<Obsidian|server>additionally, BOBRACHA!
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19:02<Obsidian|server>such magic
19:02<Obsidian|server>working with split screen
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19:09<SleePy>It isn't magic, its technology ;)
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19:41<deppy>someone I can get an ip from each data center to see the ping result with my isp?
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19:42<deppy>ok thanks
19:44<deppy>We are allowed to host one Game Server on linode? (if we respect our bandwith limit)
19:44<deppy>ok thanks again
19:44<kyhwana>you can host whatever you like on your linode as long as a) you're not doing anything illegal b) not spamming
19:45<deppy>heh perfects :)
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19:52<Obsidian|server>SleePy: IT'S MAGIC
19:53<Obsidian|server>SleePy: WIZARDRY, I TELL YOU
19:53<Obsidian|server>also it seems that when I detach it loses the split configuration...wonder if that's normal.
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20:26<ingy>what kind of vm-s does linode support?
20:27<ingy>I want to try to install a ActiveState Stackato vm image on a node...
20:28<bob2>whatever that is
20:28<bob2>you can upload whatever you like, though
20:29<bob2>(the upload will take ages though)
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20:41<ingy>so linode is xen based?
20:41<ingy>thx bob2
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20:42<KevinBombino>Hey, are there any sales reps in here?
20:43<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
20:44<KevinBombino>mainly I'm trying to figure out how many IP addresses I can realistically put on a node. Is 16 too crazy?
20:44<linbot>Each Linode comes with 1 public IPv4 address. Additional IPv4 addresses are $ 1/month, and require technical justification. With IPv6 enabled each Linode is assigned one IPv6 address, and pools of 4,096 shareable IPv6 addresses can be requested at no charge.
20:44<Nivex>what, not *over 9000!*
20:45<bob2>KevinBombino, justifying 16 sounds hard
20:45-!-toyama_ is now known as seijit
20:45<bob2>but if you can, it's trivial
20:45<KevinBombino>well, it's admittedly going to be impossible to justify
20:46<KevinBombino>or rather, I'm not sure if the justification of "I'm starting an SEO hosting company trying to market to people who think that they need to host their sites on separate IPs for good SEO" works
20:46<bob2>bullshit, got it
20:46*caker sees all
20:46<bob2>KevinBombino, make them read
20:47<bob2>if they think matt cutts is a liar, well, YHL HAND
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20:47<bob2>but "SEO hosting" sounds like your business model is webhosting for idiots
20:47<KevinBombino>haha, well , I know that it's a myth, but the fact is that there are thousands of people
20:47<KevinBombino>out there paying $200 or more per month
20:47<Nivex>are there plans to IPv6 enable LISH?
20:47<KevinBombino>for "SEO hosting"
20:47-!-seijit is now known as toyama_
20:47<KevinBombino>and I'd like to scoop up some of it :)
20:48<bob2>probably need to find a dodgier server host then
20:48<KevinBombino>any suggestions? :D
20:48<@caker>16 Linodes
20:48<KevinBombino>not the craziest of ideas
20:49<bob2>and this is why caker has a whole wing of his mansion to store his monocles and I don't
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20:50<Nivex>I thought caker was saving up for his own private jet.
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20:51<chesty>saving up? you mean transfering from the cash account
20:51<kyhwana>Nivex: it isn't already?
20:52<Nivex>kyhwana: my host doesn't have an AAAA record.
20:52<kyhwana>It'd be a virtual jet
20:54<JSharp>Hi folks, is it possible to have a linode machine transferred from one account to another? I was paying for a machine for a friend of mine and now they want to take responsibility for them. Same thing for zone records?
20:54<bob2>yes via a ticket
20:54<kyhwana>What bob2 said
20:54<JSharp>so, both accounts would need to create a ticket? what information would be needed?
20:55<EugeneKay>JSharp - the linode # and both account names, in both tickets, ought to be enough
20:56<JSharp>cool :) thanks
20:56<EugeneKay>And the zone names, I guess
20:56<JSharp>okay, cool
20:56<JSharp>I'll file in a sec once other party gets back to me with account name
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21:37<amitz>SelfishMan: he inspires me, seriously. I wish I have his aptitude.
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22:41<chinauser>Is there anyone here?
22:42<amitz>hello, how can we help?
22:43<chinauser>Hell, I am a chinese user.My domain name is .But I can't open it.
22:44<bob2>perhaps your webserver isn't working?
22:44<Bhavic|BNC>Maybe no DNS
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22:44<bd_>chinauser: seems that you don't have a webserver running
22:45<kyhwana> has address
22:45<bd_>or it's firewalled
22:45<bd_>but most likely it's not running
22:45<chinauser>So what can I do?
22:45<kyhwana>start your webserver
22:45<bd_>start your webserver?
22:45<bd_>which webserver are you using?
22:46<chinauser>Yestoday I have reboot the server.
22:46<chinauser>It become so!
22:48<chinauser>Thank you! please wait for a moment ,I will go to have a look.
22:49<chinauser>The webserver's name is :My CentOS 5.3 Profile
22:49<bd_>I mean something like 'apache' or 'lighttpd' or etc
22:50<chinauser>Oh, I see.
22:51<kyhwana>You'll have to login to your node over ssh and start whatever webserver it is you're using
22:52<chinauser>Oh , you mean I can't see the wenserver on the bakestage of the linode?
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22:55<chinauser>Ok,I will to do it ,thank you.
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23:07<Gabtendo>Has linode ever considered a Chicago datacenter?
23:08<bob2>linode has never preannounced a datacentre
23:08<KyleXY>Gabtendo: haven't you went off and shared a datacenter with a friend
23:08<KyleXY>Gabtendo: did that already die? heh
23:08<dwfreed>KyleXY: he still has a dallas linode
23:08<KyleXY>dwfreed: he cancelled/requested a refund last I knew
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23:09<KyleXY>dwfreed: cancelled before the refund, to be exact..
23:09<Gabtendo>I re-bought a lower-tier Dallas linode for a separate purpose
23:09<dwfreed>A Chicago DC would be a good location to serve the Midwest from; and HE has a DC there
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23:09<KyleXY>dwfreed: oh lord, HE
23:09<Gabtendo>dwfreed: that was my logic
23:09<dwfreed>KyleXY: only Fremont is cursed
23:09<kyhwana>So then it can go down as much as fremont
23:09<grueblur>Ugh. I am going through lamp guide but I am missing something -- php is not being evaluated by APACHE.
23:10<KyleXY>then I'd definitely need to code Deadnode up to compare Chicago and Fremont :p
23:10<bob2>forgot to install libapache2-mod-php5
23:10<Gabtendo>Chicago is a VERY good location for mid-US
23:10<Gabtendo>I'd prefer it over Dallas
23:11<Gabtendo>in short, please open a Chicago DC
23:11<KyleXY>Gabtendo: Bad place to suggest it, ♥
23:11<Gabtendo>Also, this may be a taboo question, but what exactly is HE?
23:11<dwfreed>Chicago is also a large hub for the Internet backbone in the US
23:11<dwfreed>Gabtendo: Hurricane Electric
23:11<KyleXY>Gabtendo: And for all we know, it could be in the works, like bob2 said Linode doesn't preannounce jack
23:11<grueblur>bob2, there is no such package in centos
23:12<bob2>grueblur, I'm so sorry
23:12<KyleXY>grueblur: I feel sorry that you went with centos, any reason?
23:12<KyleXY>!library apache php centos
23:12<linbot>KyleXY: 1. Basic Apache Installation - | 2. Ruby on Rails with Apache on Debian 6 (Squeeze) - | 3. Install the Apache 2 Web Server on Debian 6 (Squeeze) -
23:12<Gabtendo>I was actually surprised linode *didn't* have a Chicago server
23:12<KyleXY>Gabtendo: I'm not
23:12<KyleXY>!library apache centos
23:12<linbot>KyleXY: 1. Basic Apache Installation - | 2. Ruby on Rails with Apache on Debian 6 (Squeeze) - | 3. Install the Apache 2 Web Server on Debian 6 (Squeeze) -
23:12<bob2>why isn't there a gary, indiana one too
23:12<grueblur>I am working toward my RHCSA so, I thought it would be a good primer.
23:17<grueblur>I would like to contribute to the CentOS walkthrough on linode's user documentation.
23:17<grueblur>I found the libraries I needed.
23:18<KyleXY>grueblur: yum search is your friend
23:19<KyleXY>read that up heh
23:19<dwfreed>iirc, Perihelion (who is, surprisingly, not connected to IRC atm) is one of the people responsible for managing the library
23:19<KyleXY>dwfreed: weird, why isn't she?
23:19<KyleXY>dwfreed: and yeah, she is.
23:20<grueblur>My node is named, "sol". I just got warm fuzzies.
23:21<dwfreed>hmm, she left at 17:39 and never came back (a /part, not a /quit); she is connected to the network, just not in any channels
23:21<KyleXY>"ruby-1.9.2-p290 - #compiling " -- hurry up :(
23:22<dwfreed>also interesting: she was active 8 seconds before I said that statement mentioning her
23:22<dwfreed>I <3 second-precision timestamps in irssi
23:22*KyleXY suggests we go annoy her back in here :p
23:23<dwfreed>She's away, unfortunately (says "Not connected")
23:23<KyleXY>dwfreed: something tells me her bouncer fakes her idle time then
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23:24<dwfreed>KyleXY: yeah, looks like it
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23:25*dwfreed waves at Perihelion
23:26<Gabtendo>grueblur: my node is named SonicRaimBoom
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23:27<@Perihelion>KyleXY: You're correct that my bouncer fakes idle time.
23:27<KyleXY>Perihelion: woo
23:27<KyleXY>I win
23:27<@Perihelion>dwfreed: You are correct that I was active.
23:28<@akerl>We all win!
23:29<kyhwana>Hii Perihelion
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23:31<kyhwana>Perihelion: You doing any better? :|
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23:33<@Perihelion>kyhwana: I'm alive, I think?
23:33<@Perihelion>That counts for something, right?
23:35<Boohemian>(off topic, a bit, but i'm hoping i can get some quick advice) how practical is it to build your own router (i can pick up a p4 system for $50)? any links you can point me to (i tried google but all i found was stuff on dd-wrt and a 1998 article)
23:35<KyleXY>1998, woo
23:35<@Perihelion>Depends on your needs
23:35<bdube>yes, what is the goal?
23:35<@Perihelion>dd-wrt is still considered good these days, btw
23:35<Gabtendo>1998? that's when Al Gore created the internet
23:35<Gabtendo>so it's probably reliable
23:35<grueblur>Perihelion. I am told you are the keeper of the tomes.
23:35<@Perihelion>But it's a waste of your time if you just use the internet for facebook and stuff :P
23:36<@Perihelion>grueblur: What is your quest?
23:36<@Perihelion>More importantly, what is your cooking level?
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23:36<@Perihelion>I'm low on HP and need some cakes.
23:36<grueblur>I would like to add information to the CentOS guide to ease furrowed brows.
23:37*akerl hands Perihelion a monkfish
23:37<Boohemian>i just want to get the experience. i'd also like to have a decent firewall with iptables and i thought using a $50 P4 box would be a good way to go about it
23:37<grueblur>As it is, the current guide does not include the libraries neccessitated by Apache to interpret php.
23:37<courtland>Hello! My Linode's hard disk seems to be full, but I'm not sure what the best way is to find out what's using all the space. Anyone willing to lend me a hand?
23:37*Perihelion gains 160 life points
23:37<@akerl>courtland: Have you tried using du?
23:37<@Perihelion>grueblur: on 5 or 6?
23:37<grueblur>5, no 6. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh,
23:38<@Perihelion>Are you talking about the LAMP guide or just the Apache guide?
23:38<grueblur>It was just a moment or two of confusion -- I sorted it out, but -- as a newb, I am sensitive to such omissions.
23:38<bdube>Boohemian: a $50 box can make a fine router
23:39<courtland>akerl: No, not sure what that is. Let me look into it..
23:39<@Perihelion>Hmm, what was the issue?
23:39<grueblur>In my opinion, these guides should foster newbs such as myself.
23:39-!-seijit is now known as toyama_
23:39<@akerl>courtland: Basically, if you start with "cd /", and run "du -hs ./*", you can walk your way to the problem
23:39<@Perihelion>That's definitely what we aim for, and if it's not doing that then there's a problem D:
23:39<grueblur>Well, I followed the proceedure as outlined by the guide and lacked the libraries needed to interpret php
23:39<Boohemian>bdube: do you know where i can read about it so i can figure out how to do this? i assume i need a wifi card (but which) and dd-wrt and that's about it?
23:39<grueblur>I have a single line suggestion.
23:40<@Perihelion>Alrighty, shoot :P
23:40<courtland>akerl: Ah, great
23:40<bdube>Boohemian: you'll need at least two NICs, wifi is up to you
23:40<courtland>akerl: lol and just like that, I've already found it.... massive amount of logs
23:41<courtland>akerl: 106GB of logs haha
23:41<grueblur>yum install php-common php-gd php-mcrypt php-pear php-pecl-memcache php-mhash php-mysql php-xml
23:41<@akerl>That would do it. Do you have logrotate running?
23:41<Boohemian>bdube: well, i want wifi... what do i need for that?
23:41<grueblur>I think it was the "common" package, perhaps? Not sure which one scratched my itch.
23:41<courtland>akerl: I have a custom script I wrote that creates new log files every day using cron
23:41<courtland>akerl: just so i wont have one huge log file
23:41<courtland>akerl: thats about it, though
23:41<@akerl>courtland: You might want to check out logrotate
23:42<bdube>Boohemian: does dd-wrt run on a P4 box? I thought it was ARM or some other chip often found in embedded systems
23:42<@akerl>It handles cycling log files out and can compress old logs
23:42<grueblur>:/, I need to not be in CGI so I can log all of this. good stuff.
23:42-!-toyama_ is now known as seijit
23:42<Boohemian>bdube: ah, good point. so what are my options for the router software?
23:42<courtland>akerl: Nice, I
23:42<courtland>I'll look into it, thanks for the til
23:43<bdube>Boohemian: it can be done with iptables or similar
23:43<bdube>Boohemian: and yes, it is good experience
23:43<Boohemian>i see, okay. and what would i need for wifi connectivity?
23:43<@Perihelion>grueblur: Hmm, okay. I'll look into that. I'm pretty sure some of those are "extra" things that may vary per use case.
23:43<@Perihelion>The php-common one may be it, though
23:43<@Perihelion>What were you testing it with?
23:43<grueblur>Perihelion, I think it may be, yes. The others are probably overkill, though -- as it is, I only had a CLI interpreter.
23:44<grueblur>Also, props. My nodes name is "sol" :p
23:44<@Perihelion>You restarted apache after installing php right?
23:44<bdube>Boohemian: when I build my own using PC hardware like that, I've used a wireless access point with good results. not the combined router/access points you mostly find these years, just an access point.
23:45<bdube>Boohemian: but you may also be interested in starting with a RouterBoard instead of a P4
23:45<Boohemian>bdube: routerboard?
23:46<grueblur>Further, I am working toward my RHCSA. I would be pleased as punch to braindump my mindmap as I progress.
23:46<@Perihelion>grueblur: Would you mind emailing me that? (It'll get lost in logs for sure)
23:47<grueblur>I'm not sure you can PM me your addy on the CGI client I am now using.
23:47<Boohemian>bdube: will the routerboard work in any system, so long as i use RouterOS?
23:47<bdube>Boohemian: I just recently added a Mikrotik product to the home network and I'm extremely pleased with it, the RB751
23:48<bdube>Boohemian: starting with a RouterOS license is not the same thing as starting with a RouterBoard product
23:48<@Perihelion>afolson@ (i really hate spammers and people post this online so I'm trying to break up the email address) linode. (haha spammers I've got you now!) com
23:48<Boohemian>i want n wireless though :/
23:48<@Perihelion>I have solved this problem FOREVER.
23:48<grueblur>You have certainly derailed all but the most kurzweilian bot.
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23:49*akerl signs up Perihelion for a stack of spammy emails
23:49<bdube>Boohemian: I think the 751 supports N
23:49<bdube>Boohemian: yes, it does
23:50<kyhwana>Perihelion: hurrah :|
23:50*Gabtendo signs Perihelion up for male enhancement trials
23:50*Gabtendo hooks Perihelion up with a Nigerion prince he knows
23:50<@Perihelion>Gabtendo: I get about 60 of those a day.
23:51<Gabtendo>Perihelion: lol, I've got you beat, I probably get 200 or so
23:51<Gabtendo>thank god Google's spam filter is ossim
23:51<@Perihelion>I'd probably get more, but they get filtered because of my rules.
23:51<kyhwana>Boohemian: get a low powered atom or AMD E350 box if you want a "PC router". It might cost more than a cheapo P4, but the P4 will burn through the savings you made by eating up all your power
23:51<@Perihelion>I'm not even a dude...waste of inbox space!
23:52<kyhwana>Perihelion: well, the viagra is for after you get the sex change operation (which is in the previous spam email)
23:52<Gabtendo>Perihelion: what about stereotypical scammer emails?
23:52<Gabtendo>Sometimes I read the scammer emails
23:52<Gabtendo>because they're hilarious
23:52<grueblur>Perihelion, everyone is dudekind.
23:52*Obsidian|server sends Perihelion ALL the spam
23:52<grueblur>NARWHAL ALARM!
23:53<@Perihelion>kyhwana: Are sex changes still half off in Canada?
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23:53<kyhwana>Perihelion: I think that's thailand
23:53<@Perihelion>grueblur: You Reddit, don't you...
23:53<kyhwana>I thought they were free in canada?
23:53<chesty>I would have thought it would be all or nothing off
23:53<grueblur><_< >_>
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23:53<Boohemian>kyhwana: okay, makes sense. but what software do i use?
23:54<kyhwana>Boohemian: pfsense, generic linux/BSD, etc.
23:54<kyhwana>There's a few others
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23:54<kyhwana>I hear good things about pfsense
23:55<@ericoc>generic D: i though i was wanted
23:55<@Perihelion>Ha, don't be silly.
23:55<@akerl>I'm glad eric is here!
23:56<@Perihelion>Opened mail client, 1139 NEW EMAILS SINCE LAST NIGHT
23:56<Boohemian>kyhwana: and what do i need for wireless to work?
23:57<@Perihelion>My life is over. I will never reach Inbox 0 again.
23:57<Obsidian|server>you need blood sacrifices
23:57<bdube>Boohemian: by the way, RouterBoard products (ready to use) cost less than a RouterOS license separately
23:57<Obsidian|server>wireless takes SERIOUS voodoo
23:57<kyhwana>Boohemian: you just plug your access point (disable all the NAT/routing crap on it, and use a LAN port) and plug that into one of your ethernet ports on your pfsense box
23:58<kyhwana>or if you don't care about seperateing out your wireless traffic, just plug your wifi AP into your switch (behind the pfsense box)
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23:59<linbot>kyhwana: Point (0.15820909, 0.48636588) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 108375 of 137583 (π ≈ 3.150825319988662 - 0.009232666398868). http://π
23:59<Boohemian>kyhwana: so you can't buy whatever is in the access point as an internal card (pci)?
23:59<kyhwana>Boohemian: oh, sure. Just check to make sure whatever pci wifi card you buy is supported in pfsense/BSD
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