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---Logopened Mon Dec 19 00:00:15 2011
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00:00<@akerl>There's nothing "wrong" with it. But you're using it as a DoS mitigation measure, not a security tool. It's working for that, but it's important to know the difference
00:01<JoeK>the only accounts that have sshd enabled are administrators and resellers; and i have strict-password-enforce enabled
00:01<JoeK>i personally use certs
00:01<@akerl>My solution, as above, was to set my iptables to drop connections to 22 from *.
00:01<@akerl>No log spam, no fail2ban junks, no open port for pesky bots to look for
00:02<JoeK>no handy emails either :)
00:03<JoeK>using filters on my gmail, they dont bother me if i get a massive surge of mail, and they are automatically sorted to relevance
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00:03<@akerl>Yes, no fail2ban emails because there's nobody I need to banb
00:06<k1ng_>can i host ircd on linode?
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00:07<k1ng_>i can?
00:08<k1ng_>nothing wirtten about irc
00:08<bob2>feels a lot like you didn't even skim the TOS
00:08<@akerl>k1ng_: It's in the FAQ
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00:08<bob2>note that attracting DOS attacks will get you thrown out
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00:08<bob2>and kiddie irc networks are a great way to get DOSed
00:10*ajmitch should remember to put his iptables rules in revision control
00:11<@akerl>etckeeper <3
00:11<ajmitch>etckeeper is nice, should be installed by default
00:12<JoeK>what is callbook
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01:04<xarcus>why does rsync add overhead when one directory is empty?
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01:04<bob2>what does that mean
01:06<xarcus>i was syncing a really big directory with an empty one using rsync, but noticed there was no write activity (just read)
01:06<xarcus>did some google fu and someone mentioned that scp/cp be used for the first go, and rsync for the following syncs
01:06<xarcus>citing that rsync "adds overhead"
01:06<xarcus>was just curious why
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01:07<xarcus>(btw, i canceled the rsync task, ran scp, and the transfer started immediately)
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01:25<pharaun>eh depending on how big it is, i tend to just stick with rsync
01:26<pharaun>cos i can restart and etc
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01:36<danblack>or I'm about to try with the next week or so
01:40<xarcus>pharun -- makes sense. danblack, sweet
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02:22<linbot>¯´·.¸¸.- I'm leaving Linode for the cloud -.¸¸.·´¯
02:23<SnoFox>What are those invalid characters?
02:23<SnoFox>Well, "Invalid"?
02:23<@Praefectus>do you not have utf8 enabled?
02:23<SnoFox>My encoding is UTF-8 now! I can even do the accented e! Look: Pokémon!
02:23<SnoFox>Alternatively, I could echo $LANG
02:24<SnoFox>[josh@fennec ~]$ echo $LANG [11:24PM]
02:24<SnoFox>Irssi and screen are both set to use UTF-8 as well.
02:24<SnoFox>I want to know what those characters are! D:
02:26<@akerl>I bet they aren't set to use UTF-8
02:27<SnoFox>:( I bet they are.
02:27<SnoFox>How do I check?
02:27<SnoFox>echo $LANG from inside screen also reports UTF-8.
02:27<SnoFox>So that would leave Irssi...
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02:29<SnoFox>Here I was hoping I was wrong.
02:29<SnoFox>All are set to UTF-8. :\
02:29<SnoFox>Sense made = none.
02:29<@akerl>My faith in your conclusion is low
02:30<@akerl>If you're not seeing UTF-8, something is misconfigured.
02:30<@Praefectus>have you restarted your screen session since enabling utf8?
02:30<SnoFox>Thanks for your confidence. Would you like root access to all of my servers to verify this? :(
02:31<SnoFox>Praefectus: UTF-8 was enabled to start with in ~/.screenrc; Irssi already is set to UTF-8, and my local $LANG says UTF-8. I'll even get screenshots to please akerl.
02:31<@akerl>Or just run :utf8 on in that session?
02:31<SnoFox>Great, screen just told me "Will not use utf8 encoding" after typing ^a:utf8
02:31<SnoFox>(Believe me now? :[ )
02:31<SnoFox>I don't know if I should be offended or what.
02:32<@akerl>It's nothing personal. Computers do what they're told. Nothing more, nothing less. So when the choice is trusting you, or trusting that your computer is doing what it's been told to do...
02:33<@akerl>Even if I had great amounts of faith in you personally, my faith that the computer is doing what it's been told to do is much higher
02:36<SnoFox>These computers quite obviously don't listen to humans -- -- all the settings you told me to double check
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02:37<@akerl>SnoFox: Outside of screen, standard prompt, run `locales` and drop it on a pastebin somewhere
02:38<SnoFox> - akerl
02:38<SnoFox>(Fennec is local, void is where the irssi screen is)
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02:40<@akerl>And defutf8 on is in your ~/.screenrc?
02:41<coobra>screen -U
02:41<SnoFox>Isn't that what defutf8 is for, coobra? ...
02:41<@akerl>Open up screen, and irssi in that screen
02:41<@akerl>And yes, defutf8 on means you don't need -U
02:42<SnoFox>Okay, Irssi is open. I'm assuming you want me to connect it here?
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02:42<@akerl>Run this in irssi? "/set term_charset utf-8"
02:43<FnoSox>Okay, I've changed the casing of the previous setting.
02:43<FnoSox>(This is the new screen)
02:43<@akerl>Then try it out
02:43<linbot>¯´·.¸¸.- I'm leaving Linode for the cloud -.¸¸.·´¯
02:44<SnoFox> <-- I swear this isn't right.
02:45<@akerl>Does your local computer support UTF-8?
02:46<SnoFox>I imagine it would ... But who knows. It's a fresh Gentoo install, not much is on the machine aside from what you see in those screenshots.
02:46<@akerl>locale on the local machine
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02:46<SnoFox>That was in that paste from earlier, fennec is the local machine.
02:46<SnoFox> - fennec (all utf-8)
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02:48<@akerl>Then somewheres something is borked. Does it work with bash?
02:48<SnoFox>Which "it"? the loacle command?
02:49<SnoFox>Let's find out.
02:49<@akerl>We're now playing a game called "My UTF-8 works and yours doesn't. Lets eliminate ways our configs are different"
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02:50<@akerl>It ends when I get you to install Arch :)
02:50<linbot>¯´·.¸¸.- I'm leaving Linode for the cloud -.¸¸.·´¯
02:50<FnoSox>Hahaha, no.
02:50<FnoSox>You're not gonna get me to install Arch, just saying.
02:50<mbreslin>i don't know what characters they are (I can't see them either) but possibly his font doesn't include them
02:50*Praefectus would use gentoo before arch
02:50<mbreslin>i use consolas
02:50<SnoFox>I left Arch for Ubuntu (And Ubuntu for this Gentoo install) after both stopped working with my laptop's backlight.
02:50<@akerl>Laptops are deeply in mac-land
02:51<SnoFox>I'm using uh, Monospace or whatever.
02:51<SnoFox>Yeah, Monospace 8pt font.
02:53<FnoSox>eix bin
02:53<FnoSox>No, bad FnoSox.
02:53<FnoSox>I'm not sure what bash had to do with any of this, but it didn't help fwiw.
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02:54<mbreslin>what is the key combination to enter a utf character again
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02:57<SnoFox>So ... No UTF-8 for me akerl? :P
02:58<SnoFox>Can you screenshot what the characters are supposed to be before I go crazy and try to rewrite your cloud command?
02:58<@akerl>Guess not. Something configured between your local and server is wrong
02:58<@akerl>And don't go messing with !cloud. It's pretty :)
02:58<SnoFox>But it's a bunch of question marks!
02:59<SnoFox>I'm betting my font doesn'ts upport it. Let me toy with it...
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02:59<bob2>hey how aout just not messing up the cloud command again
02:59<SnoFox>Helvetica. 12 point.
02:59<SnoFox>Fk yeah.
03:00<linbot>¯´·.¸¸.- I'm leaving Linode for the cloud -.¸¸.·´¯
03:00<SnoFox>I don't think this'll work...
03:00<SnoFox>You know, now that I think about it, Chrome doesn't do UTF-8 correctly right now either.
03:00*SnoFox has no idea what might be missing.
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03:01<@akerl>Sounds like a local issue
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03:01<SnoFox>Is there some X11 library that needs installing?
03:02<SnoFox>Pure genius.
03:02*SnoFox reads
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03:08<SnoFox>Emerging new fonts, akerl. That's the only thing on the web page I haven't done yet. :( Have you used Gentoo before?
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03:09<SnoFox>What's your Arch setup like?
03:10<@akerl>Not sure what you mean? It's archy
03:11<SnoFox>Like, what DE have you set up for yourself?
03:12<SnoFox>I had to ditch Arch when they forced Gnome 3 on me.
03:12<@akerl>I only run it on the Linode
03:12<@akerl>So there's no gui
03:12<SnoFox>Last time I ran it on a Linode, I couldn't run any Python programs ... So I reimaged to Debian >.>
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03:12<@heckman>ugh, the python 2=>3 transition
03:13<SnoFox>heckman: Not really a transition. More like a breakage.
03:13<bob2>er more like arch being morons
03:13<@akerl>SnoFox: Arch has both. You can use whichever you want
03:13<SnoFox>bob2: Yeah.
03:13<bob2>and making the 'python' binary point at python3
03:13<SnoFox>akerl: Yeah it has both, but what bob2 said.
03:13<@akerl>Which you can fix with one ls
03:13<@akerl>ln, rather
03:13<SnoFox>Erm, no.
03:14<@heckman>akerl: when applications assume python = python2 and someone changes that suddenly it breaks quickly.
03:14<SnoFox>Arch-aware programs think /usr/bin/python is python3.
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03:14<SnoFox>So I either have to go through and change the hashbang for every Python program or pick a version of Python.
03:14<SnoFox>I picked Debian instead.
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04:36<encode>heckman: incoming abuse report
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04:36<@heckman>encode: sorry, not sure I can handle that while my head is on the pillow :p
04:36<encode>i foolishly assumed that you were at work
04:36<encode>ericoc then?
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04:37<@ericoc>akerl is begging to do it
04:37<encode>let me know if you need any futher info
04:46<encode>thanks guys :)
04:49<encode>chesty: it was your linode, wasn't it. You may as well admit now that you wanted my sekrits. All of them.
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05:04<acha>I'm getting a 504 Gateway Time-out when accessing my site. Any of you get this?
05:05<bob2>== your backend is broken
05:06<acha>What would cause that?
05:06<acha>how to fix?
05:07<bob2>no idea what you set up
05:07<bob2>check it is even running etc
05:08<acha>Yeah, just restarted nginx
05:08<bob2>that's unlikely to be your backend
05:08<acha>I was importing data into mysql when it broke.
05:10<acha>Well, I'm a new customer.... Time to test response time on tickets I guess. ;-)
05:11<kyhwana_>er, if you broke your site, that's your fault/problem ;)
05:11<AlexC_>acha: Linode is an unmanaged service, a ticket wont do any good
05:11<kyhwana_>Why was your site up when you were importing your DB?
05:11<bob2>no doubt acha means that there's a connectivity problem across the private net
05:12<acha>kywana, it wasn't my website's database.
05:12<acha>Yeah, gateway issue sounds like a routing problem.
05:12<bob2>it almost certainly means your thing is misconfigured or broken
05:13<bob2>once you rule that out and check your routing and firewall rules and then are sure it's a linode problem, file a ticket
05:14<kyhwana_>er, no, it's not talking about a network type gateway that you're probably thinking of
05:14<acha>Do you think rebooting the node might help?
05:15<bob2>I think actually debugging will help
05:15<bob2>e.g. is the backend up at all?
05:16<acha>I can ssh the server.
05:16<bob2>not to be harsh, but who is your sysadmin?
05:16<bob2>or at least, who configured it to begin with
05:16<acha>I did.
05:17<kyhwana_>What do your log files for your webserver/backend say?
05:17<bob2>then you set up a reverse proxy and presumably know what it's meant to point at
05:17<acha>yeah, I'm looking for those now.
05:17<bob2>check what is wrong with that thing
05:17<AlexC_>If all else fails, simply put a kitten on it
05:18<acha>The google search I said resulted in the article saying to email the network admin to fix the issue. Hey, that's me!
05:18<kyhwana_>Like this.
05:19<AlexC_>kyhwana_: That is not a friendly furry kitten =(
05:19<kyhwana_>hehe, no he's not
05:19<AlexC_>A great thing happened yesterday to my cat, which involved a radiator and the magnet on the cats collar
05:20<acha>That cat does not look happy.
05:20<kyhwana_>He's an evil ghoulbeast who loafs on your equipment
05:21<kyhwana_>Well, that's a broken loaf, but you get the idea
05:26<acha>well, the reboot worked...
05:27<acha>Still need to go through my log files though to figure out what was the problem.
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05:34<AlexC_>Maybe you could cat some of the files
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06:21<linbot>New news from forums: Fedora 15 and PV-GRUB in General Discussion <>
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06:35<acha>I have an issue that phpmyadmin shows my database is empty, but my website that uses the database is working fine.
06:36<acha>I'm logged in as root to phpmyadmin
06:36<vegardx_>then you are looking at the wrong database.
06:36<vegardx_>(or have some obsure caching layer)
06:37<acha>I'm clicking on the right database in phpmyadmin and it reports no tables found.
06:37<chesty>phpmyadmin is running on the web server or the db server?
06:38<acha>when I go into mysql and describe the tables everything is there.
06:38<chesty>i take it you're not logging in as root@localhost?
06:38<acha>just root
06:39<chesty>try root@ip.of.db.server
06:39<vegardx_>then mysql -u<user> -p database
06:39<vegardx_>SHOW TABLE;
06:39<vegardx_>or, mayne you need to use the database first
06:40<AlexC_>vegardx_: You've just specified the database in the command
06:40<vegardx_>ah, then he's good to go
06:40<AlexC_>Well, change TABLE to TABLES then sure
06:41<vegardx_>heh, my mysql-fu stops at mysqldump :p
06:41<acha>I can't log in with root@ipaddress - only root works.
06:42<chesty>use the same user and password as the web app
06:42<vegardx_>because it's the wrong syntax
06:43<vegardx_>you specify host with -H afaik. Check the manpages
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10:30<MTecknology>christ man! We have servers with 24GB swap!
10:32<AlexC_>So they can hibernate, right?
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10:32<MTecknology>nah, that's only half or ram
10:33<MTecknology>All but three of these systems were using less than 10MB of swap
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10:37<EugeneKay>And Ive had a sneeze.
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10:37<AlexC_>I've had multiple all week =(
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10:42<AlexC_>.jpg.html? You're doing it wrong
10:43<Perihelion>s probably a VIRUS
10:43<AlexC_>But ... I don't want my Fedora infected =(
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10:56<dwfreed>AlexC_: I wouldn't want to get anything on my hat either
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10:57<obb>hi, are you guys having problems with your nameservers?
10:58<AlexC_>What problems are you seeing, obb ?
10:58<obb>several of are domains just became unreachable
10:59<@caker>can we have an example?
11:00<obb>sure, hang on a sec
11:01<obb>i think its coming back up now
11:02<obb>they are very slow, the servers arent doing anything exciting and only had the issue on sites on linode nameservers
11:02<dwfreed>Yeah, they all work here
11:02<AlexC_>obb: They resolve just fine to me; your issue was more than likely to do with your server, not the authoritive name servers
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11:02<obb>are you getting an error page or the actual site?
11:02<AlexC_>I didn't try
11:02<Bas>Hi all
11:02<obb>we have a check to see if site is live based on a dns lookup
11:02<Bas>im new in this forum
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11:03<Guest20908>Hi all
11:03<obb>and thats what has been failing
11:03<dwfreed>obb: get a database configuration error for
11:03<AlexC_>obb: "based on a DNS lookup" ... how?
11:03<Cromulent>obb: same as dwfreed - Database error
11:03<Guest20908>Hi all, are there any problems with the London Linode?
11:03<linbot>Think something is wrong? Check out
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11:04<AlexC_>Guest20908: You seem to think there is, what's wrong?
11:04<Cromulent>EriksLV: hi
11:04<EriksLV>anyone else having dns problems?
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11:04<Guest20908>Yes, our Linode is very slow, and the graphs sees to hang
11:04<Guest20908>no incoming data
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11:05<EugeneKay>What does the Host Load say?
11:05<Dengar>Are there problems in London?
11:05<Stephen>We had a similar issue just now, it seemed to fixed it when you changed our Linodes DNS
11:05<obb>the dns check is along the lines of "$addr = gethostbyname($_SERVER["HOSTNAME"]);"
11:05<EriksLV>my host is london69
11:05<obb>that fails from a london linode box
11:06<AlexC_>obb: That's quite a mad check to be doing, that wouldn't tell you there is a problem - that would just tell you what ever nameserver *you're* using has messed up
11:06<obb>yeap, its just a rouch lookup
11:06<AlexC_>However, it looks like other people are having issues too
11:06<obb>but thats querying ns1 etc and failing
11:06<Guest20908>i'm getting a reply now from Linode
11:06<Guest20908>However, there are warnings in your console about starting xinetd: Starting internet superserver xinetd ^M[fail]
11:06<Guest20908>don't know what this means?
11:06<EriksLV>have nameserver nameserver
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11:08<Kingsy>can someone provide me with some help, my linode server is working through http but I cant connect to it via ssh
11:08<Kingsy>or sftp
11:08<Kingsy>which I guess is the same thing anyways
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11:10<Kingsy>actually, scrap that.. I can connect via ssh but not sftp .. what could be wrong?
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11:10<Kingsy>when I do connect via ssh tho it seems to take A LONG time.. sftp times out
11:10<Wdi>Is there a problem with Linode DNS servers atm?
11:10<Jayyers>i just had the web lish unable to connect....
11:10<Jayyers>dns is failing on my end as well
11:10<olap>yes uk dns servers aren't replying to dns requests
11:10<Wdi>host --> Host not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
11:11<Kingsy>well I cant connect to my server with sftp either, dunno if that relates to a wider issue?
11:11<EugeneKay>And this, kiddies, is why you should use a local caching resolver instead of relying upon $ISP
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11:11<olap>Eugene, that won't help new incoming connections
11:11<Wdi>Local caching resolver < Googly Moogly
11:12<EugeneKay>olap - for SSH? I would expect not, name iis not sshd
11:13<EugeneKay>Wdi - it's a time tradeoff. For the initial lookup it's a bit slower, but subsequent lookups don't have to hit the network
11:13<Kingsy>is anyone else having problems with sftp connections on their server?
11:13<EugeneKay>Kingsy - poke at your system logs. /var/log/secure or /var/log/auth.log
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11:13<zvezda>I am experiencing dns issues on my london based linode ? Who should I contact to solve this problem ?
11:13<Wdi>Eugene, agreed - but I'm interested in new connections.
11:13<Guest20908>me 2
11:13<EugeneKay>zvezda - file a ticket.
11:13<EriksLV>"fixed" problems by using google nameservers and
11:13<Guest20908>I have also problems with my London linode
11:14<olap>+1 on changing dns to
11:14<EugeneKay>Though I'm sure the linodians are frnatically scrambling to fix it
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11:14<zvezda>I am a customer for a year and this is the second time for this problem
11:14<EugeneKay>zvezda - don't rely upon a single nameserver, then. They fail.
11:15<Kingsy>EugeneKay : I don't have either of those logs in /var/logs I have syslog but that doesnt mention any failed sftp connections
11:15<zvezda>Ok Thank you EugeneKay
11:15<olap>does the SLA cover their nameserver?
11:15<EugeneKay>Kingsy - then your distro has it placed somewhere else. Dunno where if not one of those two.
11:15<dwfreed>olap: there is no SLA
11:15<Kingsy>EugeneKay: its centos
11:15<EugeneKay>Then it ought to be /var/log/secure
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11:16<Kingsy>EugeneKay: og I have auth.log what exactly am I looking for?
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11:17<AlexC_>OpenDNS for all my 'nodes
11:17<EugeneKay>Big, fat ugly error messages when you try to connect with sftp
11:17<Kingsy>EugeneKay: there are plenty of --> Dec 19 16:09:30 deimos sshd[1709]: pam_unix(sshd:session): session opened for user root by (uid=0)
11:17<EugeneKay>OpenDNS is bad for so many reasons
11:17<AlexC_>EugeneKay: Why so?
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11:17<EugeneKay>AlexC_ - the big one is they rewrite "NXDOMAIN" to be an ad page by efault
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11:17<AlexC_>EugeneKay: Key being "by default"
11:17<zvezda>guys in my resolv.conf file says "DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN" what should I do?
11:18<Kingsy>EugeneKay: but nope, I just tried to connect to it, and the last log entry is from 10 minutes ago.. so thats not it
11:18<AlexC_>Once you've turned off all that crap, it's fine
11:18<EugeneKay>Kingsy - then it's something else, and I've no clue.
11:18<EugeneKay>AlexC_ - and "turning that off" doesn't work from a roaming client like a cell phone or a laptop in a hotel ;-)
11:18<Kingsy>EugeneKay: ok its just suddenly started working again... wtf??
11:18<AlexC_>EugeneKay: Sure, though I am on about my 'nodes here, and I tend not carry those around
11:19<EugeneKay>Kingsy - no clue, sorry.
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11:19<Guest20908>lol here also
11:19<Jayyers>is the ajax lish working for anyone?
11:19<Guest20908>BAM, everything works again
11:19<EugeneKay>Kingsy - you're in London?
11:19<Kingsy>EugeneKay: yup
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11:19<EugeneKay>Probably related to the rDNS lookup that ssh does for connections
11:19<Wdi> host -> gives results
11:19<EugeneKay>Add a backup dns resolver
11:19<Wdi>back up
11:19<Jayyers>EugeneKay ok thanks
11:20<duff>I’m having DNS issues with my Linode in London — is that what you guys are already talking about?
11:20<EugeneKay>I recommend running a local resolver(bind defaults will do this), and then specifying Linode and Google as backups
11:20<duff>issue being my node can’t resolve anything
11:20<Dragon>duff: Yeah, though it seems to be fixed as of a few seconds ago
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11:20<Wdi>They have fixed at least one of the DNS servers.
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11:20<Wdi>One at least is still timing out.
11:21<Guest20908>here 2
11:21<Guest20908>strange problems
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11:21<Wdi>It's been fun! Bye bye...
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11:22<DrHeiter23>Hey - is there any way to have the 5 linodes per hour creation limit lifted when using the Linode API ?
11:22<EriksLV>looks like is now back in business
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11:23<Dengar>Everything seems to work again.
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11:23<@Perihelion>DrHeiter23: Put in a ticket
11:23<EriksLV>anyone can test it for themselves
11:23<EriksLV>dig @
11:23<MTecknology>apparently... the CMOS contains all information about all the hardware and how to talk to it...
11:24<rnowak>MTecknology: ...
11:24*MTecknology is listening to a tech support near him
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11:24<EugeneKay>DrHeiter23 - file a ticket, maybe?
11:24<MTecknology>rnowak: blind leading the blind? :P
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11:24<rnowak>MTecknology: the dots of WTF came before your /me
11:25<Guest20908>Hi, We're currently investigating a network connectivity issue occurring upstream of our London, UK facility and are working as quickly as possible to gain any additional information to find a resolution. I apologize for any inconvenience, but please do not hesitate to let us know should you have any other questions or concerns. Regards, Eric
11:25<MTecknology>rnowak: I thought it was in reply to my cmos comment
11:26<rnowak>MTecknology: it was, but I was getting to cut your head off, the /me turned down the alert level a bit
11:26<rnowak>getting ready, too
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11:30<vodka>"every day, google downloads a copy of the internet" and other interesting things tech support says...
11:30<FnoSox>Why am I FnoSox?
11:30-!-FnoSox is now known as SnoFox
11:31<AlexC_>Because you like socks
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11:31<SnoFox>OFTC failed again >.<
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11:32<EugeneKay>Mmmmm socks
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11:42<linbot>New news from forums: "NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts" in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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11:44<EugeneKay>Ah, I love forum posts where the answer is in the topic
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11:46<rnowak>who do these helpful error messages think they are?! the audacity!
11:47<EugeneKay>To be fair, it's a conceptual probem.
11:47<EugeneKay>He probably followed some blog post guide whic said to use <VirtualHost> instead of *:80>
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11:49<AlexC_>Ideally you'd want the IP address there, I don't like the *:80 methods
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11:50<chesty>i like how people are complaining about dns issues and ops are silent, is there a linode policy not to say anything helpful during outages?
11:50<EugeneKay>It's easiest for making it "just work", but yeah.
11:50<EugeneKay>chesty - the relavent ops are working on the issue. The irrelavent ones are napping.
11:51<AlexC_>It would be nice to have an update on for those who are effected
11:51<SnoFox>chesty: Hm? I haven't noticed any issues. What's wrong?
11:51<EugeneKay>The fact that a semi-widespread issue is not posted to real quick is mildly disconcerting. It seems to have become a Maintenance notifier rather than an actual status page.
11:52<rnowak>oooh, DNS issues, thats why I got a cryptic email from cron
11:52<EugeneKay>And this is why you shouldn't rely upon a single point of failure for $THING
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11:57<rnowak>darnit, this wasn't set up as expected (:
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11:57<rnowak>114 emails so far, oops?
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12:26<iamjarvo>do you guys spot any errors with these vhosts
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12:29<iamjarvo>always forget to enable teh damns ite
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12:35<mpgutta>hi, i would like to buy new linode instance. under each instance name on linode website homepage, its showing squre boxes. what do they represent?
12:37<squircle>well the 512 has one cube, and the 1024 has two. what's 512*2?
12:37<squircle>(I'll give you a hint: 1024)
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12:38<squircle>the 4096 has 8 cubes, that's 512*8
12:38<squircle>and that's for RAM, storage and transfer
12:38<squircle>(nothing but a visual representation of increasing plan size)
12:39<mpgutta>squircle: ok thanks for info, but if i want a 8 core cpu which instance i should go for?
12:39<squircle>all plans have the same CPU access
12:39<@irgeek>None of them have access to 8 cores.
12:39<@irgeek>Every Linode gets access to 4.
12:40<squircle>the higher plans mean you'll be sharing a physical host with fewer other people
12:41<mpgutta>irgeek: so you mean to say, linode wont provide 8 core cpu machines?
12:41<squircle>mpgutta: why do you need 8 cores, specifically?
12:42<rnowak>MOAR COARS
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12:43<mpgutta>squircle: we have multiple expensive jobs will be running in terms of cpu usage.
12:43<@irgeek>mpgutta: Correct.
12:43<rnowak>mpgutta: so get two instances, or more
12:43<squircle>mpgutta: but why 8 cores instead of 4? (if the stuff you're running isn't multi-threaded, it'll all be moot anyways)
12:44<JshWright>if all you need is a bunch of CPU time, just get a handle of 512s
12:44<mpgutta>squircle: i thought like 8 core cpu handle more parallel resource intensive jobs compare to 4 core. am i wrong?
12:45<mpgutta>JshWright: so i get multiple 512 boxes, is it possible to make a LAN across multiple instances on linode?
12:45<squircle>mpgutta: the difference between 8-core and 4-core is negligible. plus, there's only one 8-core processor on the market right now...
12:46<JshWright>Sure, Linode has a 'private network' that allows very fast communication between the nodes, and doesn't count against your transfer quota
12:46<eyepulp>mpgutta: you get a private IP assigned, and use that between them without any data charge
12:46<eyepulp>er, transfer. what JshWright said.
12:46<squircle>mpgutta: or use IPv6 so you don't need the separate network!
12:46<jaskal>only works for linodes inside the same datacenter, though
12:47<mpgutta>squircle: ok.
12:47<@irgeek>Using the private IPs your traffic is unmetered and won't count against your quota, but other Linodes are in the same layer 3 network so you'll need to lock it down yourself if you're transmitting super-secret data.
12:49<mpgutta>squircle: at the same time i can configure my web app through load balancer to serve from multiple machines right?
12:49<squircle>mpgutta: yes
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12:49<mpgutta>squircle: is there any good documentation page which explain how to configure load balancer between multiple linode instances plz?
12:51<rnowak>what kind of application is this, and how are you distributing work to it?
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12:55<DeaneVenske>Hey guys, anyone experiencign issues in fremont data center?
12:55<AviMarcus>I must be blind. Where is my linode API key? I can't find it.
12:55<jaskal>AviMarcus: in the top right of the manager, 'My Profile'
12:55<DeaneVenske>Sorry, Newark
12:55<DeaneVenske>I got too many servers...
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12:56<boba>DeaneVenske: Looks OK for me
12:56<squircle>Newark's fine or me
12:56<DeaneVenske>I'm having trouble rebooting my node.
12:56<DeaneVenske>Lies it just did it
12:56<AviMarcus>ah "generate new api key" ok.
12:56<AviMarcus>thanks jaskal
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13:26<seaworthy>anyone familiar with virtual hosting on linode?
13:27<SnoFox>seaworthy: It's best to simply ask your question; when you ask "Does anyone know about $X?" then nobody wants to say "I do," as then they're trapped into answering your question.
13:27<@heckman>seaworthy: there's instructions for doing it within the Linode Library
13:28<seaworthy>i dont get how to set up DNS for two domains
13:28<seaworthy>with 1 ip
13:28<linbot>SnoFox: (library <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "web title$1".
13:29<@heckman>seaworthy: just have the domains pointing at the same IP address. Your web server will then serve content based on the "Host:" HTTP header on the request.
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13:31<seaworthy>so basically server figures out which folder to go to from url?
13:31<seaworthy>i understand how to set up the server
13:32<seaworthy>i just dont understand how it figures out which folder to pick
13:33<@irgeek>You tell it how in the virtual host config.
13:33<@irgeek>!library virtual
13:33<linbot>irgeek: 1. Host Email with Postfix, Courier and MySQL on Debian 5 (Lenny) - | 2. Host Email with Postfix, Courier and MySQL on Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic) - | 3. Host Email with Postfix, Courier and MySQL on Ubuntu 9.04 (Jaunty) - (1 more message)
13:33<@irgeek>!library virtual apache
13:33<linbot>irgeek: 1. Host Email with Postfix, Courier and MySQL on Debian 5 (Lenny) - | 2. Host Email with Postfix, Courier and MySQL on Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic) - | 3. Host Email with Postfix, Courier and MySQL on Ubuntu 9.04 (Jaunty) - (1 more message)
13:33<@irgeek>Well that's not very useful. :/
13:33<Kos>!library vhost
13:33<linbot>Kos: 1. Host Web Apps with Cherokee and PHP-FastCGI on Fedora 13 - | 2. Install the lighttpd Web Server on Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic) - | 3. Install the lighttpd Web Server on Debian 5 (Lenny) -
13:33<@heckman>The client sends the domain it's connecting to by adding a header called "Host:". The server then decides based on the contents of that header
13:34<seaworthy>umm i am setting up nginx
13:35<seaworthy>The client sends the domain it's connecting to by adding a header called "Host:". The server then decides based on the contents of that header
13:35<seaworthy>this is good
13:35<seaworthy>no it makes sense
13:36<Cromulent>nginx is a good choice - much easier to configure than apache imo
13:36<seaworthy>i have it working
13:36<seaworthy>didnt know how to get it set up for multiple domains
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13:44<@heckman>seaworthy: just creat multiple server {} blocks in the Nginx config
13:45<@heckman>seaworthy: You also need to point your domain() to your Linode's IP address
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13:53<fugazzi>Hi, if I have a raw disk formatted with xfs filesystem will the linode backup be able to backup it despite the claim that it read only ext2/ext3 ?
13:54<@tparker>fugazzi: no
13:55<fugazzi>ok thanks for answring :-)
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14:04<eyepulp>"despite the claim" heh - generally companies don't lie against their own interests. =)
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14:25<hithere>can someone tell me how to turn off backups in the linode manager
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14:27<@irgeek>hithere: Open a ticket.
14:28<hithere>be great if this could be toggled by month, will do thanks
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14:38<DeaneVenske>I was wondering if anyone could look into a node for me. It's gone down for the second time today, and it's a very simple server just serving a few wordpress sites.
14:38<DeaneVenske>I was wondering if the host is having issues
14:38<iggy>DeaneVenske: I'd suggest opening a ticket
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14:38<@irgeek>We haven't had any issues on hosts today.
14:38<iggy>mostly because it pages a bunch of people and I want to annoy them
14:38<@irgeek>Did you check your console to see if it's OOMing?
14:40<DeaneVenske>I'm seeing huge IO spikes
14:40<DeaneVenske>Seems like swapping is bad
14:40<DeaneVenske>I'll open a ticket
14:41<@heckman>swap = low on memory which could mean oom
14:41<@heckman>DeaneVenske: check your Lish console
14:41<linbot>LISH allows you to perform certain actions without having to log in to the Linode Manager. LISH's primary function is to allow you to access your Linode's console, even if networking is disabled.
14:42<DeaneVenske>Lish is completely unresponsive
14:43<DeaneVenske>That's where I see swap messages
14:45<@heckman>Jump out of the screen session and run logview
14:45<@heckman>(CTRL+a d) then type logview
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14:47<ashkanr>hi everybody
14:48<ashkanr>is there anybody with python & django production experience on linode severs/
14:48<DeaneVenske>Thanks heckman, gonna find out what's causing this. Just upgraded to wordpress 3.3, forgot I'd done that.
14:48<@heckman>DeaneVenske: I updated your ticket btw, should be helpful
14:50<linbot>New news from forums: Error while live editing a django template on linode in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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14:54<ashkanr>dudes, anybody has workes with django in production?
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14:56<@heckman>ashkanr: I imagine there are a few people, yes
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14:58<|pez|>any of you ever shopped some themes at themeforest for your projects?
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14:59<|pez|>totally wrong channel, sorry
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15:01<ashkanr>hi friends I need an urgent help on a python/django problem, is there anybody who can help please?
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15:01<ashkanr>I appreciate it a lot since this is very critical
15:03<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
15:03<AviMarcus>or try #python or #django on whatever IRC server they are on.
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15:07<ashkanr>I have live edited my base.html template file on production and now it gets an internal error
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15:10<tolle>ashkanr: Well, you should probably have tried it in some other place first.
15:10<tolle>Whats the error?
15:10<EugeneKay>|pez| - nope, I theme all my shit myself. It shows, too.
15:10<ashkanr>tolle: would you please see my post in linode forum?
15:10<|pez|>EugeneKay: it shows in a good or a bad way? XD
15:11<|pez|>well, that's something I'd like to avoid ;)
15:12<tolle>ashkanr: TemplateSyntaxError: Invalid block tag: '%20get_static_prefix%20'
15:12<tolle>says it all.
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15:14<tolle>Its {{ get_static_prefix }} if its a variable.
15:14<tolle>otherwise you have to write the templatetag for it.
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15:15<ashkanr>tolle: maybe I should remove %20 right?
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15:16<ashkanr>textmate) has put it there?
15:16<nick1>hi all. i am receiving an ftp error that says pipe too many open files. how do i correct this?
15:16<tolle>%20 is just code for whitespace.
15:16<robbbie_>nick1: too many open file descriptors on the linode ?
15:17<tolle>You've done goof. Is get_static_prefix a templatetag or something you pass to the template?
15:17<nick1>robbbie_: that's what it says, but i don't know what it means
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15:20<robbbie_>nick1: it means you have too many open file descriptors :) you can raise the limit but you really need to figure out why you are using so many
15:20<robbbie_>nick1: something like ulimit -n 2048 should fix it temporarily
15:21<nick1>well, i'm a total n00b, so i have no idea what file descriptors are, but i'm transferring a ton of files back and forth, so i'm guessing that's why i'm using so many.
15:21<DeaneVenske>@heckman Thanks for the notes. That setting was: vm.min_free_kbytes = 3429
15:21<nick1>do they reset by themselves after a while?
15:21<DeaneVenske>So yeah way lower than your suggestion
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15:22<@heckman>DeaneVenske: That's only one of the problems. You'll need to tweak Apache2/other services to use less RAM.
15:23<robbbie_>nick1: once they are no longer in use they should be closed
15:23<DeaneVenske>*nod* Ok thanks. Also updating to latest kernel
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15:23<desg>hey guys whats the default amount of ip adresses that come with linode servers?
15:24<DeaneVenske>Would you suggest we move to 3.0.4 for all our machiens?
15:24<iamjarvo>how would i get my mysql info like my socket and what not
15:25<@heckman>desg: 1 IP by default. Additional addresses can be given with technical justification for the additional address.
15:26<nick1>thanks @robbbie_: if it happened while transferring files, does that mean that some of the files may not have transferred properly?
15:26<robbbie_>nick1: probably just the last one that it errored out on
15:26<desg>Ok, heckman i will just need 2 ip adresses
15:26<@heckman>desg: You'll need to open a ticket and provide technical justification for the second IP address
15:27<robbbie_>iamjarvo: what do you mean?
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15:27<iamjarvo>robbbie_: for some reason i can't connect to mysql
15:27<iamjarvo>and my password and username is right
15:28<robbbie_>are you connecting from localhost?
15:28<desg>heckman: so im not provided it without justification, as im switching from another vps provider i just need 2 ip adresses
15:28<robbbie_>mysql -u root -p
15:28<@heckman>desg: you get one by default. If you need any additional address you will need to provide justiifcation for the additional address
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15:31<JshWright>desg: if you need it, then providing technical justification shouldn't be too difficult, right?
15:31<JshWright>Linode is just being a responsible service provider
15:33<kyhwana>mmm, all the ips
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15:34<kyhwana>There's an IPv4 shortage on, don't you know?
15:34<nick1>robbbie_: thanks again. giving it a new go.
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15:39<purrdeta>If Marriage were a purely religious institution and/or had no benefits at all other than being "married" I imagine it wouldn't be a big deal. The problem lies in the fact that married people get numerous benefits by being married. Lowered cost of insurance, tax incentives, housing incentives, etc. etc by the government and other companies/agencies. While Marriage used to be a religious institution, I don't believe it only is anymore mainly because of
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15:39<purrdeta>erm that was definitely the wrong window
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15:43<xarcus>if i'm transferring 100gb of raw data (via scp) from one linode to another via the private network (which has been benchmarked at 1g/s, according to jshwright's tests), does that mean it will take...100 seconds? :)
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15:43<xarcus>what am i missing?
15:43<JoeK>you mean 1gb/s?
15:43<bob2>a) mixing up bits and bytes
15:43<bob2>a) forgetting everything has overhead
15:44<bob2>c) that gigabit requires fiddling to work at gigabit speeds
15:44<JoeK>thats not taking into factor bob2's b & c
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15:44<ajmitch>d) whether you can read/write from disk at those sustained rates
15:45<xarcus>thanks everyone
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15:50<JshWright>The private network is capped at 50Mbps by default
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15:53<JshWright>As I note in my post, the test was conducted with the cap lifted
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15:54<xarcus>Ahhh, I missed that, my bad.
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15:59<@irgeek>IPv6 is active in London if anyone wants to play with it.
16:00<linbot>IPv6 is currently available in Fremont, Dallas, Newark and Atlanta. The London facility is currently undergoing internal testing, and Tokyo is in progress. More info:
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16:03<linbot>IPv6 is currently available in Dallas, Fremont, Atlanta, Newark, and London. The Tokyo facility is in progress. More info:
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16:08<SnoFox>Sign up the Linode.
16:08<SnoFox>Do eet
16:10<@Perihelion>I just wait for le goose
16:10<kyhwana>le goose?
16:11<SnoFox>Perihelion: Actually, I can enable it.
16:11<@Perihelion>Lord Goosington von Featherpants
16:11*SnoFox thought it was done via support ticket
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16:12<rnowak>why does my moonnode not have ipv6 yet? this is unacceptable
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16:12<@Perihelion>rnowak: Would you like an apple?
16:13<rnowak>noty :(
16:13<rnowak>I have some tea with mango and peach flavor, it isn't half bad
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16:25<praetorian>Perihelion: i'd like an apple macbook air
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16:26<AviMarcus>ipv6 is now avainable in london? cool.
16:26<rnowak>Perihelion: I will take an apple macbook pro or air if that's going, no fruits though! (:
16:27<AviMarcus>oh you JUST set it up, no wonder I thought I missed the announcement :P
16:27<AviMarcus>I need a reboot or something to enable..?
16:27<rnowak>what are you talking about, london has had ipv6 for like 3 weeks
16:27<ajmitch>heckman: ipv6 in tokyo pls
16:27<@heckman>ajmitch: not my gig, but it's a work in progress. :)
16:27<praetorian>ive had ipv6 in atlanta for months
16:28*ajmitch doesn't have a node in tokyo at the moment anyway :)
16:28<AviMarcus>[22:59:45] <@irgeek>: IPv6 is active in London if anyone wants to play with it. -- not from now?
16:28<rnowak>AviMarcus: no, that was actually posted 3 weeks ago, irgeek just sent it with smoke signals, took a while
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16:29<JoeK>im not sure what to do with this
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16:30<JoeK>a client wants me to install a webserver on their network (their bandwidth is 2mbps/2mbps); its for their community site, not sure whether it would be okay or not cause i dont know their usage statistics
16:31<AviMarcus>tell 'em to spend $20/month and spin up a new linode!
16:32<JshWright>or charge them $10/month to host it on a node you already have
16:32<JoeK>they have an old PE2650 with 4x146gb they want to use
16:32<AviMarcus>Hey JshWright.
16:32<AviMarcus>JshWright, have you heard of for credit card processing?
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16:33<kyhwana>JoeK: ouch, are they going to be serving it externally?
16:33<AviMarcus>I wish I heard of them 6 months ago :(
16:33<AviMarcus>know of anything similar and cool, maybe you can tell me about them now, too? :)
16:34<JshWright>They were in private beta 6 months ago, wouldn't matter if you had heard of them
16:34<JoeK>kyhwana: yes, its a local based website
16:34<AviMarcus>AH. pheww.
16:34<JoeK>from what i can tell on their current site, their largest files served are 8MB pdf files
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16:34<AviMarcus>'cause my old credit cards are kinda locked into :(
16:34<JoeK>which is pushing it since they will be using bandwidth for their office operations
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16:34<JshWright>JoeK: stick the big stuff on S3
16:35<JoeK>JshWright: my firm has a netrack in NAC scranton
16:35<JshWright>NAC has a DC in Scranton?
16:35<kyhwana>JoeK: er, I mean they'll be pushing it out to internets over their 2mbit link?
16:35<JoeK>kyhwana: yes
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16:35<JoeK>JshWright: yes
16:36<kyhwana>that's no good
16:36<JoeK>also JshWright, your name is horrible for tab completion
16:36<JshWright>not my fault...
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16:37<JoeK>we prefer clients to load their externally served media on our racks (that is, if they dont do it themselves at wherver they want) rather than on their WAN
16:37<JoeK>but they want to use their old PE2650 to serve their website; everything is fine except their wan uplink
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16:39<JoeK>the most id recommend it for is backups really
16:40<JoeK>i dont know their visitor totals
16:41<JoeK>they use godaddy right now, however
16:41<JoeK>anyhow, time to get back out to working again :D! (:|)
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16:44<@heckman>AviMarcus: flip it on, reboot, then update ticket. I can get you a pool without a second reboot.
16:45<AviMarcus>23:45:32 up 185 days... bleh :/ ipv6 here I come.
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16:46<auraka>heckman: how come no ns6 with tokyo launch?
16:46<@heckman>AviMarcus: also get new kernel. :p
16:46<AviMarcus>auto or should I change something?
16:46<@heckman>Depends what you are on. We released the 3.0 kernel.
16:46<@heckman>You'll probably need to switch to the "Latest 3.0" metakernel from the config profile
16:47<@heckman>auraka: not sure, I think something related to it is being worked on.
16:47<JoeK>JshWright: NAC scranton is's D/C
16:48<auraka>JoeK: what?
16:48<JoeK>auraka: hm?
16:49<auraka>burst and NAC are different companies
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16:49<JoeK>i meant NOC, my bad :x
16:49<auraka>entirely offers a quality service....the other offers plug and pray
16:50<JoeK>ive had very good experience with 'plug and pray'
16:50<JoeK>no faults but my own
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16:50<Obsidian|server>isn't that usually how most printers work anyways?
16:50<Obsidian|server>plug it in
16:50<Obsidian|server>pray it works
16:51<auraka>Obsidian|server: ya but it is not how you want the power and network connecting to your server to work
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16:55<vodka>ipv6 in london <3 thanks :)
16:56*Obsidian|server tries once again to load the steam store
16:56<auraka>wow...att ends deal to accquire they have to pay DT $6 bil '
16:57<Obsidian|server>auraka: wait, did it go through then or did they give up?
16:57<auraka>they have up
16:57<Obsidian|server>yay, more competition
16:57<Obsidian|server>less corporate monolith. And those wireless guys are bad enough as it is
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17:11<nick1>hi all. i'm trying to download the full contents of my linode to check against another local copy. it's taking FOREVER, mostly because there are a lot of small files instead of a few large files. is there an easy way to do this? i'm using sftp right now.
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17:14<Obsidian|server>according to that case study, JSON is faster to process than XML.
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17:14<Obsidian|server>interesting benchmark.
17:14<rnowak>in my head, it should be, without testing it
17:17<AviMarcus>Obsidian|server, seems simpler, too.
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17:19<AviMarcus>mm heckman ssh isn't showing me anything.. console show it stuck on several entries of "request_module: runaway loop modprobe binfmt-464c"
17:20<AviMarcus>after the reboot with "latest 3.0"
17:20<@caker>wrong kernel bitness
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17:20<@heckman>Please to be selecting 64-bit
17:20<@caker>there are two "Latest 3.0"ssss
17:20<@heckman>And only one caker
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17:22<Obsidian|server>Jeez, humble bundle 4 is at 1.66 million raised
17:23<Obsidian|server>....actually, closer to 1.67 million
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17:30<@heckman>Obsidian|server: I'll be picking it up on pay day
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17:31<Obsidian|server>heckman: nice
17:31*Obsidian|server also notices Terraria at 50% off
17:31*kyhwana put in just over the average to get GSB
17:31*Obsidian|server goes to gift a friend
17:31<kyhwana>Hmm, I need to play terraria more
17:32<Obsidian|server>I've put in a ton of time into it recently with several friends
17:32<kyhwana>tho I Doesn't work in linux sadly, so I cant run a server on my linode :|
17:32<Obsidian|server>Hard mode can be pretty fun when you start doing monty python skits with the holy water
17:32<kyhwana>and can't be bothered going through the hassle of setting up a VM on my server at home to do it
17:32<Obsidian|server>Yeah. that's my main irritation
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17:33<Obsidian|server>Would be nice to do linux dedi
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17:33<Obsidian|server>But I bet they're not doing it because they use XNA
17:34<rnowak>the dedicated server program didn't use anything from XNA when it was released, havn't looked at it since
17:34<kyhwana>I think it still needs it.
17:34<kyhwana>I tried running it via WINE and it needed a while bunch of .net/etc crap
17:34<Obsidian|server>it'd really help make multiplayer shine
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17:35<rnowak>it needs .net 4? but that's not the same as XNA
17:35<kyhwana>hell yeah.. and sell more linodes ;)
17:35<lelldorianx>Hi all :)
17:35<Obsidian|server>heh, indeed
17:35<Obsidian|server>and because it's not java *puke* it'd probably run decently on a small node
17:36<rnowak>it unfortunately needs lots of RAM due to how the world is stored in memory, in a horrible way ;<
17:36<KyleXY>w 101
17:36<AviMarcus>heckman, isn't ipv6 addres supposed to be enabled on reboot automatically? It's not listed in the ifconfig and can't reach
17:37<kyhwana>AviMarcus: The first one is, I think. Are you in a DC with v6?
17:37<@heckman>AviMarcus: It should be. Do you have any weird ip6tables rules?
17:37<AviMarcus>they all do now except tokyo
17:37<@heckman>AviMarcus: what distro?
17:37<AviMarcus>I never touched ip6table
17:37<Obsidian|server>kyhwana: (Any DC other than tokyo)
17:37<AviMarcus>ubuntu 10.04
17:37<@heckman>ufw doesn't allow IPv6 by default
17:37<@heckman>You need to fix ufw then reboot
17:38<Obsidian|server>old ufw
17:38<AviMarcus>oh. lol.
17:38<Obsidian|server>11.10 does now
17:38<ajmitch>heckman: surely it shouldn't need another reboot after fixing ufw?
17:39<LiquidAtom>Yay for Linode! :D
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17:39<@heckman>ajmitch: I think you just need to restart ufw/networking?
17:39<@heckman>I really don't know
17:40<@heckman>I stay as far away from Ubuntu on servers as possible
17:40<Obsidian|server>yes, service ufw reload
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17:40<Obsidian|server>that should get it to refresh its scripts and allow ipv6
17:40<Obsidian|server>(assuming you got it enabled in the scripts)
17:40<ajmitch>heckman: it's more a kernel thing
17:41<AviMarcus>it seems to show up with just restart ufw and restart networking
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17:41<AviMarcus>I can ping google ipv6 now, so it seems to be working.
17:41<Obsidian|server>ping6 you mean?
17:41<@heckman>ajmitch: yeah I wasn't thinking. 1/3rd #linode, 2/3rd tickets. :p
17:41<ajmitch>yay, now you can ignore ipv6 like the rest of us
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17:42<@heckman>AviMarcus: gave you a pool
17:42<@heckman>You should now be able to see it from the "Remote Access" tab
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17:42<AviMarcus>yes Obsidian|server
17:42<AviMarcus>OK now.. am I ever gonna use it :s
17:42<AviMarcus>my local ISP doesn't support it, it seems
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17:43<@heckman>Set up a tunnelbroker tunnel on your home network
17:43<AviMarcus>should help with others. to exploit nat differences!
17:43<@heckman>I run dual-stack at home with a Tunnelbroker IPv6 tunnel
17:43<rnowak>effort, why bother \o/
17:43<AviMarcus>hmm, my SIP devices won't support it either. I think.
17:43<AviMarcus>maybe they will.
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17:53<lelldorianx>So I gess I need to set up my own mail server on my Linode VPS, right? Are there any webmail interfaces you all would recommend?
17:54<Obsidian|server>there's also google apps for very small scale stuff
17:54<bob2>if you want that, yes
17:54<bob2>and no, they're all terrible
17:54<bob2>google apps is quite cheap though, compared to the hassle
17:55<|pez|>google apps is free if you're small enough
17:55<lelldorianx>my site's relatively small at the moment, I'll look into it.
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17:56<lelldorianx>Do you normally set up your mail servers on your VPS, or do you prefer external solutions?
17:56<AviMarcus>so.. how do I deny 22 for ipv6 with ufw?
17:56<lelldorianx>I've read about some people using Amazon's cloud service for mail servers...
17:56<KyleXY>lelldorianx: Honestly, I prefer Google Apps just because I run a small little group and we only have 5 poeple,
17:56<bob2>do you mean 'amazon's ec2'?
17:57<bob2>which is ~equivalent to linode
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17:57<lelldorianx>^Yeah, bob.
17:57<KyleXY>bob2: more expensive :p
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17:57<bob2>and more flexible and weirder
17:57<bob2>but it's still running your own mail server
17:57<lelldorianx>Thanks Kyle.
17:57<lelldorianx>I'll probably try the Google apps approach :)
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17:57<KyleXY>lelldorianx: plus said account just works on most google services :p
17:57<KyleXY>lelldorianx: and good control for the domain admin
17:58<lelldorianx>My team's only about 7 people right now, we deal with -maybe- thirty emails a day.
17:58<lelldorianx>so pretty small
17:58<kyhwana>gapps for domains is free up to 10 users
17:58<ajmitch>bob2: amazon has a separate email service now, but it has all sorts of interesting limits on it
17:58<bob2>ajmitch, for inbound too?
17:59<ajmitch>might just be for outbound, I haven't read up enough on it for that
17:59<AviMarcus>for outbound I think it is.
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18:06<seanh-ansca>only for outbound
18:07<seanh-ansca>there are over services like that too, sendgrid, mailgun etc
18:11<lelldorianx>I was reading about Sendgrid, I can't really justify the price since my site doesn't have nearly that kind of mail usage
18:12<bob2>lots of those places do the first 1000/month or whatever for $0
18:13<lelldorianx>that's probably about where I'd be, awesome, I'll look at those as well :)
18:13<lelldorianx>Bob2: What's your personal preference for mail handling? Just out of curiosity.
18:15<bob2>i send $work's outgoing mail directly, with VERP and a custom bouncer handler I wrote
18:15<bob2>I wouldn't recommend that unless you know how to do the last two things
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18:16<lelldorianx>hehe, just wondering :)
18:16<lelldorianx>I'll probably go look at Google apps for starters
18:17<bob2>outsourcing means you don't have to debug why hotmail is blocking you today
18:17<bob2>and by today i mean 'every day'
18:17<bob2>and by debug i mean 'file messages into the void that is their postmaster department'
18:17<KingTarquin>My uni have recently switched over to an Outlook-based service.
18:17<lelldorianx>I'm moving from shared hosting, surprisingly the only thing my shared host did nicely is their mail client...
18:18<bob2>KingTarquin, i'm so sorry
18:18<lelldorianx>I'm just happy to be on my own space, though.
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18:18<KingTarquin>bob2: I know. I'm just grateful they let you use your own mail client to get mail, otherwise I'd cry every time I went via the webmail. It's slow and ugly.
18:19<lelldorianx>Outlook has a history of such things ><
18:19<rnowak>my university moved the student mail to google apps for academia thing a while back
18:19<KingTarquin>I honestly don't know why they didn't switch over to Google Apps for Education.
18:20<lelldorianx>My uni is also on Outlook-based platforms
18:20<lelldorianx>I think they're just afraid of changing... it's the oldskool way.
18:20<KingTarquin>It's called Live@Edu.
18:24<Yaakov>KingTarquin: The problem is that Google will not guarantee to be compliant with privacy regulations so many schools cannot use it.
18:25<Yaakov>Microsoft has agreed to comply. It's a big deal.
18:25<Yaakov>But really isn't bad.
18:27<KingTarquin>It's microsoft's thing anyway really, considering they do a hell of a lot for Education.
18:28<amitz>itym EDUCATION. /me hides
18:28<rnowak>That's one way of viewing at it
18:30<lelldorianx>Hmmm... so since I'm transferring from my shared host and will be ditching their email, is the best way of backing up all my emails to do it locally in something like Thunderbird/Outlook/etc?
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18:31<amitz>lelldorianx: you may need the shared host as your local post office who receive emails, and who deliver it to you.
18:31<amitz>or use other alternative as shared host.
18:31<EugeneKay>There are IMAP dump apps that work a bit better
18:32<lelldorianx>Thanks, Amitz. I'd totally do that just to spite them if possible :P
18:32<amitz>i meant, to replace that particular work of that shared host.
18:32<amitz>lelldorianx: :-)
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18:36<lelldorianx>Question: Does Google Apps allow 10 free accounts per domain, or just 10 free accounts period?
18:36<KingTarquin>Per domain
18:36<lelldorianx>Thanks :)
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18:36<bob2>per domain account
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18:37<KyleXY>lelldorianx: what bob2 said, you need to completely have a different account for another domain to get another 10 users
18:38<KyleXY>lelldorianx: Just adding another domain to an account will not work
18:38<lelldorianx>Works for me. Thanks.
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18:49<AviMarcus>this is a stupid question. How do I open a TCP connection to something and see what it gave me?
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18:53<AviMarcus>kyhwana, and how would I do that exactly?
18:53<bob2>i bet you can guess how to use nc
18:53<bob2>with one guess
18:54<AviMarcus>hmm.. one guess... rtfm maybe.
18:54<Solver>netcat always lands on its feet
18:54<kyhwana_>man nc
18:58<AviMarcus>OK, Connection to 5060 port [tcp/sip] succeeded!... but I want to see what it returned. Or is that silly, because all TCP connections look the same?
18:58<bob2>unclear what you mean
18:59<bob2>if you mean "the data returned via the tcp stream", you'll have to send a plausible enough SIP request that it replies with something
18:59<bob2>instead of dropping
18:59<bob2>sip sounds like the sort of thing you can't really do by hand
18:59<bob2>may want sipsak
19:00<AviMarcus>I'm just trying to use cloudkick's TCP banner check really
19:00<AviMarcus>the only option there is port
19:00<bob2>does sip work like that?
19:00<AviMarcus>and then "Regex to match"
19:00<AviMarcus>well, freeswitch accepted the connection..
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19:00<Solver>AviMarcus: text protocols will send back some leve of meaningful info if you use netcat to connect to them.
19:00<bob2>that's not at all the same as "Yes, SIP servers do send a tcp banner upon connect"
19:00<AviMarcus>I just want to check at minimum that something is listening on port 5060.
19:00<bob2>^ which is what you actually need to determine
19:01<bob2>then you need to tell cloudkick that
19:01<bob2>if they support it
19:01<AviMarcus>I dunno what a tcp banner is :s
19:01<bob2>then i guess the answer is no
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19:08<lelldorianx>Man, I love how detailed these Linode docs are.
19:09<lelldorianx>Definitely made the right choice going with an unmanaged server, I like learning this stuff and how Linode facilitates it :)
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19:14<Solver>AviMarcus: if you just want to check that there is something listening on a tcp port, netcat or even telnet can do this for you
19:14*Solver would have said this 10 minutes ago but was in a short meeting :)
19:15<AviMarcus>thank, but I'm trying to get cloudkick to watch it.
19:15<bob2>need to figure out how to get them to just monitor if a port accepts connections then
19:15<bob2>or if they have sip support
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19:28<AviMarcus>thx for the time.
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19:31<Obsidian|server>mfw oftc doesn't like unicode nicks: ;_;
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19:43<yardsprout>hi! working on configuring wordpress on our linode. Have installed on terminal, but our url ( does not bring up wordpress configuration page. Any ideas on steps I could be missing?
19:45<Kos>doesn't look like is listening on port 80, is your http server running?
19:46<seanh-ansca>default nmap port scan shows only ssh up...
19:47<seanh-ansca>yardsprout: make sure your web server is running
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19:47<yardsprout>Not sure what that means - our linode server is running, and we have set up in the Linode DNS Manager, and have in our Godaddy account pointing to the linode nameservers. Where would I see port 80?
19:47<rnowak>have you configured a webserver?
19:47<yardsprout>Is our http server different than our linode?
19:47<seanh-ansca>have you installed apache or nginx or some other webserver?
19:48<yardsprout>I'm guessing if we don't know what those are then.... No? :) How do we configure a webserver?
19:48<kyhwana>yardsprout: er, you need to install/run a http server on your linode to host your own wodpress blog on your linode
19:48<Kos>!library lamp
19:48<linbot>Kos: 1. Build a LAMP Server on a Linode - | 2. Set up a LAMP Server on Ubuntu 11.10 (Oneiric) - | 3. Set up a LAMP Server on Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty) -
19:49<@heckman>Woo, posted it at the exact same second.
19:49<Kos>I blame it on linbot's 2 second lag
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19:50<yardsprout>Awesome, that's probably the step we overlooked - thanks all!
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19:50*Obsidian|server setups all the things
19:50*kyhwana logins all the setup things
19:51*rnowak deaths kyhwana
19:51*Obsidian|server setups all the logins for kyhwana
19:51<@heckman>Today in #linode we talk about LAMP stacks. Later, we verb nouns.
19:51*kyhwana decimates rnowak
19:51<Obsidian|server>heckman: Just another day.
19:51<kyhwana>roman style
19:51<rnowak>need more lemon pledge
19:52<kyhwana>lemon party?
19:52<Obsidian|server>heckman: later, confectionry.
19:53<kyhwana>whats that tool that lets you steal stdout/in/err/console for a running process and attach it to your current one? It has some weird random annoying name I can never remember.
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19:54<Daevien>kyhwana: rm -rf /
19:54*kyhwana smacks Daevien
19:55<rnowak>gdb, strace?
19:55<kyhwana>hrm, I guess I could use gdb for that
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19:57<rnowak>gdb will allow you to do all magic with the FDs, strace is a bit limited for what you wanted (afaict)
19:57<bob2>there's a special tool for it
19:57<bob2>ptythief or something
19:57<kyhwana>actually, htf do you do that in gdb?
19:57<kyhwana>gdb <binary name> <pid> doesn't do what I want
19:58<rnowak>gdb -p $pid
19:58<kyhwana>rnowak: and then what?
19:59<kyhwana>(it's a curses app)
19:59<rnowak>what do you want to do exactly?
19:59<kyhwana>I have a ncdu process running in putty at home that isn't inside a screen session
19:59<kyhwana>ah! reptyr is it
19:59<kyhwana>wtf named it that
20:00<bob2>REjigger PTYs foR you
20:00<mbreslin>term@dolt:~$ screen -Ur Linode Community Support | | Linodes in Asia-Pacific! -
20:00<mbreslin> could be missing?
20:00<mbreslin>12/19(16:45) < Kos> doesn't look like is listening on port 80, is your http server running?
20:00<mbreslin>12/19(16:46) < seanh-ansca> default nmap port scan shows only ssh up...
20:00<bob2>heckman, yo
20:00<mbreslin>12/19(16:47) < seanh-ansca> yardsprout: make sure your web server is running
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20:00-!-mode/#linode [+q mbreslin!*@*] by heckman
20:00<@heckman>mbreslin: PM me when you fix your buffer
20:00<kyhwana>bob2: yep
20:01<@heckman>Better yet
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20:02<rnowak>kyhwana: easy to dupe to file, a bit less easy to redirect to a tty, you'd probably need to p creat some temporary file, and either dupe or redirect 1,2 to it, and then... uh... something
20:04<dwfreed>if you want it to go to a pseudo tty, open /dev/ptmx and use that file descriptor for 1 and 2
20:05<dwfreed>I believe the descriptor you get is numbered based on the pseudo tty opened; I don't quite understand the exact semantics of it
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20:05<kyhwana>or i'll just use reptyr to do everything for me
20:05<rnowak>but it is much more fun to know how! >:(
20:05<bob2>strace reptyr
20:06<rnowak>ogod explode
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20:08<dwfreed>ah, rereading pts(7) makes it much more clear
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20:14-!-mode/#linode [-q mbreslin!*@*] by heckman
20:14<mbreslin>sorry guys
20:14<dwfreed>happens to all of us
20:14<mbreslin>1 yo goes for mouse anytime i leave the room
20:15<mbreslin>irssi's paste warning is apparently pretty useless in that it just starts sending if you hit paste again
20:15<mbreslin>i'll start locking terminal when i get up
20:15<dwfreed>/server purge will clear the send buffer
20:15<mbreslin>good to know
20:16<kyhwana>Nice to know that 1 year olds can replicate what cats can do
20:16<mbreslin>he has an odd facination with the mouse
20:16<mbreslin>i think because of the light underneath
20:16<kyhwana>hax0r3d by a 1 yo
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20:18<rnowak>now we need to keep typing up rm -rf / and wait for him to copy it, somehow manage to get out of irrsi, prepend sudo, hope it isn't timed out yet, and pastes it
20:18<rnowak>that should be doable
20:18<mbreslin>if it's not haxed by a 1yo it's completely kicked off the desktop by my 5yo wanting to play minecraft
20:18<kyhwana>mbreslin: buy the 5yo their own laptop or something
20:19<rnowak>or lock them up in a cage
20:19<kyhwana>Buy minecraft for android and get them a cheap tablet :P
20:19*kyhwana votes for rnowak's idea
20:19<mbreslin>surpisingly minecraft runs like complete shit on our old laptop
20:19<mbreslin>my son played for a few minutes and said "this is too slow"
20:20<mbreslin>and nobody touches the mbp but me
20:20<dwfreed>Minecraft on my desktop manages 10 to 15 fps
20:20<rnowak>tell him "when I was a kid, we played with sticks AND WE LIKED IT"
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20:20<@Perihelion>Back in my day we didn't have graphics
20:20<rnowak>rnowak on how to take care of children 101
20:20<mbreslin>at his age i had an atari with ET and Golf
20:21<@Perihelion>I would support rnowak breeding
20:21<@Perihelion>The world needs more blunt people
20:21<rnowak>Perihelion: is that an invitation?
20:21<@Perihelion>Not at all
20:21<rnowak>that's a shame
20:21<dwfreed>WIWAK, the principal dragged you down the hall if you were misbehaving
20:21<seanh-ansca>mbreslin: need to introduce them to roguelikes
20:22<mbreslin>seanh-ansca: haha that'll just make him cry
20:22<mbreslin>you mean my whole guy is dead forever and i have to start all over?
20:22<mbreslin>how do i win nethack dad
20:22<rnowak>if I ever happen to acquire an annoying little screaming smelly eating and pooping human being, they will be starting off with SNES, #1
20:22<mbreslin>you don't, nethack wins you
20:22<seanh-ansca>i spent so many hours playing moria as a kid
20:23<mbreslin>a more noob friendly version like cave story he'd probably do alright with
20:23<seanh-ansca>original diablo?
20:23<rnowak>noob friendly? are you raising noobs or what?!
20:24<mbreslin>rnowak: the snes is a good idea, in a year or so i'm going to build a hyperspin cab with * games
20:24<mbreslin>then they can leave me alone
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20:25<mbreslin>when i was 8 all i wanted in the world for christmas was mario 3 for nes
20:25<mbreslin>he can have that plus every other video game made from pong to ps2 on an arcade cabinet
20:25<mbreslin>and like it.
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20:50*Obsidian|server supports the revival of the golden age of gaming
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20:56<Obsidian|server>let's gamble!
20:56<Obsidian|server>russian roulette.
20:56<Obsidian|server>Five says in Perihelion vs kyhwana, kyhwana loses.
20:57<linbot>kyhwana: *click*
20:59<rachelderp>What's the default value for linode's DNS TTL?
21:00<@heckman>86400 seconds I believe
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21:02<@heckman>rachelderp: yeah. Been there, done that.
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21:42<eagles0513875>whats up ya crazy linodians
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21:44<linbot>kyhwana: Point (0.44023197, 0.12273555) lies within the unit circle. Hits: 108486 of 137722 (π ≈ 3.150869142184981 - 0.009276488595188). http://π
21:44<eagles0513875>lol hi kyhwana the piece of pi
21:47<eagles0513875>sup kyhwana
21:50<kyhwana>stupid hayfever
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21:52<leilei>can you help me
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21:52<kyhwana>I don't know
21:52<leilei>install php GD
21:52<kyhwana>"sudo apt-get install php5-gd "
21:53<lelldorianx>I'm pretty inexperienced with VPS configurations / setup -- do you all recommend starting with CentOS or Ubuntu for a beginner? I've been playing with CentOS pretty successfully on my test server, just wondering if there's any reason to use one of the other.
21:53<bob2>definitely not centos
21:53<lelldorianx>one or the other*
21:53<kyhwana>ubuntu or debian, but that's just me
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21:53<lelldorianx>bob2: fine with me, but why not (just so I know)?
21:54<lelldorianx>@kyhwana: I've used Debian before, I guess they're not too different in the end :)
21:54<eagles0513875>lelldorianx: ubuntu isnt different at all from debian as its based off of it
21:55<lelldorianx>I'll probably try Debian again as it seems to have quite a bit of documentation out on the web, which is always good for a beginner...
21:55<bob2>NOT TWITTER
21:55<bob2>and ubuntu is different to debian
21:55<eagles0513875>bob2: how so
21:55<bob2>especially if you have no idea what you're doing, ensure whatever documentation is for the actual version of the actual OS you're using
21:55<eagles0513875>commands are same just the way things are done might be different
21:55<ajmitch>upstart is the main thing you'd notice
21:55<bob2>eagles0513875, upstart vs not upstart
21:56<eagles0513875>you could say subtle but major differences
21:56<bob2>lelldorianx, centos is ancient and has poorer linode-community support and will lead to people telling you to do idiotic things like rebuild php from source
21:56<bob2>or I could say what I said and be 100% correct anyway
21:56<lelldorianx>hehe, fair enough...
21:57*ajmitch rebuilds php from source on ubuntu for fun anyway
21:57<linbot>PHP is a hell of a drug
21:57<bob2>that said, node is even worse
21:57<bob2>since nothing has recent packages
21:58<lelldorianx>any preferences anyone has between ubuntu and debian for a noob?
21:58<bob2>and it inherited the ruby idiocy of HEY JUST REBUILD IT FROM SAND AND A BLAST FURNACE ON THE PROD SERVERS
21:58<bob2>ubuntu is more popular on linode and likely to be slightly easier to get help with
21:58<EugeneKay>I've never gotten a Ruby app to work
22:00<@Perihelion>Then you did it wrong :3
22:00<lelldorianx>wow, Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is slated to be supported until 2015 o.o
22:00<Obsidian|server>how to install ruby:
22:00<Obsidian|server>get someone else to do it
22:00<kyhwana>Thus the LTS
22:00<Nivex>Ruby Rhod?
22:03<Obsidian|server>Praefectus: is that what the Dying Rich East African Banker told you?
22:03<Nivex>Green? What kind of green? Linode green?!
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22:12<@Praefectus>Obsidian|server: nah, gadafi's widow
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22:15<Nivex>!seen tjfontaine
22:15<linbot>Nivex: tjfontaine was last seen in #linode 1 week, 5 days, 23 hours, 34 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: <tjfontaine> ..fjkaldflkjasdhflasd
22:16<@Perihelion>That was a ragepart
22:16<Nivex>nerts. I just had someone /query spam me
22:16<@Perihelion>He's lurking
22:16<@Perihelion>You can always go to #oftc
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22:19<StevenK>Nivex: So did I.
22:20<Nivex>StevenK: from xiax ?
22:20<StevenK>Nivex: Yup.
22:20<praetorian>wow, been ages since ive got irc spam like that
22:20<praetorian>1997 called
22:21<praetorian>mine came from 'perihelion' tho
22:21<praetorian>it said "asl? c2c?"
22:21<dwfreed>Nivex: I got it too
22:21<mbreslin>Mind Control, Weather Warfare and UFO Deception
22:21<eagles0513875>i got one from xiax
22:21<eagles0513875>mbreslin: thats the one i got
22:21<mbreslin>i can't decide which of those is more awesome
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22:22<mbreslin>i told him to slow down i can't handle all three of those things at once
22:22<Nivex>I like the Weather Warfare. Tornadoes have done more damage than terrrists in this country. I say we fight back!
22:22<praetorian>/that/ country.
22:22<mbreslin>Nivex: i don't think weather warfare means what you think it means
22:22<Nivex>Down with the godless tornadoes! (name that show)
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22:22<Nivex>mbreslin: Inconceivable!
22:24<mbreslin>i think sending a tornado to our enemies with geoengineering seems more interesting to me than just getting mad at tornados
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22:26<Nivex>my point. I failed to make it.
22:27<mbreslin>sorry it's been 20 years since i've seen wkrp in cincinati
22:27<Nivex>well at least he got the reference :)
22:28<Nivex>I used to live in Ohio and I could never spell it correctly.
22:28<Solver>evedr read how the city gots its name?
22:29<mbreslin>i drove through ohio twice, crossing back and forth, both times it rained in ohio the entire way through it
22:29<dwfreed>Well, xiax has been reported; no need to report it some more
22:29<bob2>where is tj when you need him
22:30<vegardx_>hm, newark down or just my host?
22:30<vegardx_>I've got two VMs down there, for over an hour now
22:30*ajmitch should have read that spam - it sounds like it was interesting
22:30<bob2>i love hubris
22:30<vegardx_>Solver: hehe, should have a service like that
22:30<bob2>vegardx_, and you can't access lish?
22:30<ajmitch>I haven't seen any screaming from other newark customers yet
22:30<linbot>dwfreed: [mtr] 13 hops, no loss, last hop average RTT was 43.5ms (urmom)
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22:31<vegardx_>never bothered to try, nothing will change if it's down :p Just nagios bugging me, thinking about setting it to ACK.
22:31<linbot>dwfreed: [mtr] 15 hops, ???: 100.0%/0.0ms
22:31<dwfreed>hmm, odd
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22:31<dwfreed>vegardx_: well, something's broken
22:31<Solver>like that scene in SG-1 where Vala doesn't actually fix the problem, she just silences the annoying alarm :)
22:31<vegardx_>okey, cool, then I'll just set it to ack.
22:31<linbot>kyhwana: timed out
22:31<kyhwana>half way around the world is too far for linbot
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22:32<vegardx_>hehe, I'm currently using tokyo, so they seem to be working :p
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22:38<mbreslin>12/19(18:14) < kushiel> maybe i have something restricting the connection in iptables?
22:38<mbreslin>12/19(18:14) < bob2> it's your server
22:38<mbreslin>bob <3
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23:00<jayyers>does anyone have any good tutorials on setting up mysql replication? i am very familiar with mssql replication and would like to see what mysql has to offer so we can lower overhead costs. we have been told by their sales team its not production ready and has this sales ppl telling me this so i use their full solution, oracle or is this accurate?
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23:01<bob2>it's mysql
23:01<bob2>of course their replication is a flakey piece of shit
23:02<bob2>it's ok if a) you never have non-deterministic mutating queries (e.g. UPDATE with LIMIT) b) do it all over SSL c) use the same distribution on each machine c) use innodb or xtradb d) don't mind reloading it sometimes when it fucks up
23:02<jayyers>is it more reliable in regards to microsofts reinit without upload bullshit?
23:03<bob2>0 idea, have never used mssql
23:03<bob2>also, use percona
23:03<MTecknology>mssql makes me cry and shiver and want cold showers
23:03<bob2>and xtrabackup
23:03<vegardx_>hm, ipv6 seems to be down at newark.
23:04<vegardx_>Stupid nagios didnt fallback to v4
23:04<MTecknology>i absolutely don't miss it in any way
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23:06<jayyers>there is an issue with ms and their replication were it requires a reinitialize of the "subscribers" where no data is allow to upload the the "publsiher" so on a weekly basis we have to do imports of mising data (where possible) of data that cant be uploaded to the main server. with around 4000 "subscribers" you can image how this gets old fast.....real fast
23:06<bob2>don't know what any of that means
23:06<bob2>but mysql master-slave replication is ok if you do the above
23:06<bob2>and use percona's "show me what rows mysql lost" tool
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23:07<jayyers>any references to install / setup to play with that your aware of?
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23:08<jayyers>*setup guides
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23:59<linbot>Point (0.82981558, 0.98017628) falls outside of the unit circle. Hits: 108486 of 137723 (π ≈ 3.150846263877493 - 0.009253610287700). http://π
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