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00:48<noble>Is there some problem with the forgot password module of Linode login?
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00:49<akerl>Nope
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00:52<zifnab>best thing about ipv6: i could uniquely id every item in my house with a /64 net
00:53<zifnab>worst thing: i still don't have it at home, 'yay charter'
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00:56<noble>I was not able to get any email while trying a reset password.
00:56<noble>Can someone help me out?
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00:58<sirpengi>noble: spam folder? wrong email?
01:04<dcraig>sometimes it takes like 15 minutes
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01:08<James>sometimes dcraig personally delivers it to your home address
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01:12<dcraig>especially if you're in the greater portland area
01:12<zifnab>i'm wrong, i have ipv6
01:12<zifnab>thanks to he.net
01:12<zifnab>that was fun
01:12<dcraig>comcast finally turned on ipv6 here
01:12<dcraig>but I can't get it to work with my router
01:13<James>you need a new router
01:13<dcraig>I think it worked once, briefly
01:13<zifnab>oddly - it didn't increase my latency
01:13<zifnab>it made it less
01:13<dcraig>and then I restarted it and it stopped working
01:13<James>it shouldn't increase it
01:13<dcraig>are the ipv6 cables shorter?!???
01:13<James>yeah
01:13<dcraig>k
01:14<James>they have specific ipv6 cat6 cables
01:14<James>they run faster
01:14<dcraig>oh is that why it's cat6?
01:14<James>but don't work with ipv4
01:14<dcraig>I've actually run ipv4 just fine over cat3 cable...
01:15<arlen>that's illegal
01:15<arlen>Internet police will lock you up
01:15<James>:O
01:16<dcraig>it was real thin like phone cord
01:16<dcraig>easy to route through the ceiling of my lab
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01:16<James>:)
01:16<arlen>(:
01:17<dcraig>how'd you make it upside down?
01:17<arlen>hacks
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01:19<dcraig>will it happen eventually that datacenters just use wifi?
01:19<dcraig>running all that cable is expensive
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01:21<zifnab>ipv6 up and firewall implemente
01:21<zifnab>d
01:21<dcraig>shields up!
01:21<zifnab>yeah
01:22<zifnab>dcraig: at my last job, i had to explain to our IT guy that 'nat is not a firewall'
01:22<zifnab>and 'ipv6 does not have nat'
01:22<noble>No open slots for this plan - Linode 8192 - Tokyo, JP
01:22<zifnab>(it can have nat, but thats messy)
01:22<noble>Can someone help me out?
01:22<dcraig>maybe submit a support ticket
01:22<Eugene>I need to get around to IPv6ing my house
01:22<Eugene>(again)
01:24<dcraig>just wait for IPv8
01:25<dcraig>maybe they'll use a $ instead of a :
01:25<arlen>IPv9000
01:25<dcraig>and more letters of the alphabet
01:25<dcraig>only having A-F is so limiting
01:25<zifnab>noble: might be worth opening a ticket and asking for availability timeline
01:26<zifnab>this is community support, we know nothing
01:26<zifnab>most of the time
01:26<dcraig>maybe they can split a linode 16 GB in half
01:26<zifnab>dcraig: i always wondered why we can't just use MACs
01:26<zifnab>they're supposedly guaranteed to be unique
01:26<zifnab>(in practice, they are not but thats a different problem)
01:26<noble>Done that.
01:27<noble>Normally how much time do they take to respond.
01:27<noble>Sorry for annoying here.
01:27<noble>New to Linode
01:27<zifnab>all good :) fairly quickly
01:27<zifnab>last ticket i put in was about a 15minute wait
01:27<noble>Thats pretty decent
01:28<zifnab>dcraig: now i'm trying to figure out 'port forwarding' on ipv6, because windows does not enjoy moving rdp port
01:28<zifnab>not sure what to call it, port translation?
01:28<dcraig>so you don't just use the ipv6 address of the computer you want to connect to?
01:29<dcraig>isn't that the dream of ipv6?
01:29<dcraig>no more nat, etc.
01:29<zifnab>it is
01:29<zifnab>but i don't want to use 3389 for rdp
01:29<dcraig>why not?
01:29<zifnab>and changing it is a huge pain in the ass
01:29<zifnab>'security by obscurity' i guess
01:29<dcraig>I see
01:29<zifnab>because 21678 is less known than 3389
01:30<dcraig>not anymore...
01:30<zifnab>its the same as putting ssh on 2222, it stops 99% of idiot script kiddies
01:30<sirpengi>except now it's public knowledge
01:30<retro|blah>ha!
01:30<dcraig>this chat, it gets logged...
01:30<James>79S3041278 <-- google play gave me this as a tracking number
01:30<James>\o/
01:30<zifnab>think i'm that stupid?
01:30<dcraig>yes
01:30<James>it is tre useless
01:30<zifnab>haha
01:30<zifnab>i'm not
01:30<dcraig>what are you tracking?
01:30<zifnab>seriously though, it stops so much spam
01:30*retro|blah puts rdp on port 22
01:30<James>my phone
01:30<sirpengi>you'll never guess what port i put rdp on
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01:31<dcraig>9833?
01:32<zifnab>gah i need mor enetwork gear
01:32<zifnab>need a smart switch and a real ap i think
01:32<James>i need a smarty ring to go with my nfc ring
01:33<dcraig>why can't you embed the nfc chip under your skin
01:34<zifnab>srsly though its trivial to portscan and find ports
01:34<zifnab>most idiot scripts bruteforcing ssh on ipv4 space don't
01:34<dcraig>does leaving rdp on 3389 result in a lot more traffic or something?
01:34<dcraig>like, do you exceed your transfer allowance or whatever?
01:34<zifnab>on ipv4 i'll see lots of failed logins in the logs
01:34<dcraig>does it slow your computer down?
01:35<dcraig>quit looking at the logs :P
01:35<zifnab>and my password isn't the best, but i'm lazy :P
01:35<zifnab>at one point it was 'hi'
01:35<sirpengi>less noise in the log is always good
01:35<aam>hi
01:35<dcraig>hi
01:35<zifnab>hi
01:35<zifnab>its windows logs though
01:35<zifnab>you don't stand a chance of no noise
01:35<dcraig>just set a good password, leave it on 3389, and stop looking at logs
01:36<dcraig>problem solved, ta da
01:36<James>\o/
01:36<zifnab>or 'continue using ipv4 for eternity'
01:38<zifnab>hey i'm trying to remember something
01:38<zifnab>what came before tcp
01:38<zifnab>or ipv4
01:38<zifnab>google is of no use
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01:39<zifnab>x.25 maybe
01:40<dcraig>I want to say UUCP, but I don't think that's right
01:42<zifnab>i remember reading something about a switchover day, when arpanet went down with something and came back with tcp
01:42<zifnab>i'm just failing miserably at remembering the actual name of the old protocol
01:42<zifnab>either way: i want that
01:43<dcraig>NCP
01:43<dcraig>http://www.garykessler.net/library/tcpip.html#evol
01:43<zifnab>NCP
01:43<zifnab>there we go, thanks
01:44<zifnab>flag day is what i was looking for
01:44<zifnab>can you imagine doing that now?
01:44<zifnab>restarting the entire internet
01:45<zifnab>or using circuit switching (ew)
01:46<@drussell>o.o
01:46<@drussell>"restarting the entire internet" sounds horrible.
01:46<@drussell>Imagine the lag as everything reconnected? LOL
01:46*James restarts drussell
01:46*drussell smacks James :(
01:46<James>:O
01:46<zifnab>yeah
01:46*James whacks drussell with singapore
01:46<zifnab>imagine if dualstack wasn't a think
01:46<James>why linode not in SG :(
01:46<@drussell>The whole country?
01:46*James <3's his SG droplet
01:46<zifnab>and for ipv6 to come online, the entire world would need a reboot
01:47<James>drussell: yeah
01:47<zifnab>fuck, i can't convince both our upstreams to *not* have maintenance on the same day
01:47<James>the WHOLE COUNTRY!
01:47*drussell smacks James with all of Australia.
01:47<James>:O
01:47<James>puch
01:47<James>puch
01:47<zifnab>i can't imagine convincing every t1 to reboot
01:47<James>err ouch
01:47<@drussell>puch lmao
01:47<James>XD
01:47*drussell saves that
01:47<zifnab>or if mpls won over tcp...
01:47<James>isn't australia almost as big as the continental usa?
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01:48<zifnab>20bit labels instead of 32bit ip addresses...
01:48<@drussell>James: About .9 million sq miles off :p
01:48<James>yeah
01:48<James>drussell: but people don't realise, it's a -lot- wider
01:49<zifnab>also, currently has hostages
01:49<@drussell>o.O
01:49<@drussell>Width != land mass
01:49<@drussell>Lol
01:49<@drussell>Land mass > width
01:49<James>drussell: eh, muricans that want to drive from perth to sydney in a day
01:49<James>(minimum 48 hours, nonstop)
01:49<@drussell>Ye no. Plane pls
01:50<James>indeed. 5 hours < 2 days
01:50<zifnab>can i rent a car in australia?
01:50<zifnab>because that would be an epic trip
01:50<zifnab>(not sure what's between perth and sydney, but it could be a fun week?)
01:50<James>kinda sad that tourists still end up getting stuck in nthn australia :(
01:50<James>zifnab: nullabor for a lot of it
01:51<James>zifnab: but lots to see on the way though, if you go through melbourne and adelaide
01:52<zifnab>could be cool
01:52<zifnab>i have a professor who did half his masters in melbourne (CS)
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01:54<zifnab>James: i just found out its summer there
01:54<zifnab>and winter
01:54<zifnab>here
01:54<dcraig>also everything's upside down
01:54<dcraig>and dropbears, my god, the dropbears
01:54<James>:)
01:54<zifnab>ohgod
01:55<dcraig>james, when driving, do you make a lot of "hook turns"?
01:56<James>hook turns? no
01:56<James>lol
01:56<dcraig>where is that a thing?
01:56<James>hah
01:56<dcraig>oh, victoria
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01:56<James>hook turns ey
01:56<James>victoria is weird
01:56<dcraig>k
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01:58<zifnab>James: trip plan: sydney to augusta to adilaide to perth
01:58<zifnab>added augusta because quokkas
01:58<zifnab>i can't to go to australia and not get a photo of one
02:02<James>:D
02:02<Woet>QUEENSLAND BEST LAND
02:02<dcraig>yikes
02:03<James>Queensland doesn't like people with tatoos
02:03<James>cops lock you up on sight
02:03<Woet>why would you have tattoos
02:03<James>cos you're a bikie?
02:03<Woet>why would you be a bikie
02:03<James>bikies are people too!
02:03<Woet>sometimes
02:03<zifnab>not always
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02:04<zifnab>sometimes they're alcoholics, and while drunk you stop being a person
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02:04<James>Oh
02:04<dcraig>that's weird
02:05<dcraig>the only time I feel like a person is when I'm drunk
02:05<James>:O
02:05<zifnab>huh
02:05<zifnab>i feel like a sloth, all i want to do is sleep
02:05<zifnab>oh, and convince people who've blacked out they're a goat
02:05*zifnab did that once to an old roommate
02:05<dcraig>not a sheep?
02:06<zifnab>i was also drunk so it was probably not accurate
02:06<zifnab>i convinced him to ram a wall with his head repeatedly
02:06<zifnab>probably 'male sheep'
02:07<dcraig>you're so baaaaaaad
02:07<zifnab>http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/47/Desert_Bighorn_Barna_Cropped.jpg/727px-Desert_Bighorn_Barna_Cropped.jpg
02:07<zifnab>meh
02:07<zifnab>he was an ass
02:08<zifnab>instead of asking to borrow something, he'd grab it, say 'this is mine now' and walk off with it
02:08<zifnab>got really fucking annoying
02:08<zifnab>ok i have a meeting at 7, its midnight, sleep time i think
02:08<dcraig>lightweight
02:08<zifnab>WHO SCHEDULES MEETINGS AT 7
02:08<zifnab>i don't show up until 9
02:08<dcraig>when do you have to wake up
02:08<dcraig>for a meeting at 7
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02:09<zifnab>its a 15min drive, so probably 6 if i want to make breakfast
02:09<dcraig>I usually get breakfast *after* I arrive at work
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02:09<zifnab>more like 'set alarm at 6, get out of bed at 6:40, leave by 6:50, be 5-10 minutes late'
02:09<dcraig>not bad
02:10<zifnab>yeah, work is slightly remote, unless i bring food with me
02:10<zifnab>walmart is the nearest food place, its like 5 minutes away i guess
02:10<dcraig>we have a cafe :D
02:10<zifnab>i need a new job
02:10<zifnab>took this thing because of an IT contract $OLD_JOB had that they gave up
02:10<zifnab>$NEW_JOB took it, assumed i knew what i was doing, and hired me for 10k more
02:11<dcraig>joke's on them, eh!
02:11<zifnab>hint: i kind of do, i'm a software engineer doing network things now
02:11<zifnab>well, out of $OLD_JOB's employees, i'm the only one who can pass a drug test...so there's that
02:11<zifnab>$NEW_JOB has a bunch of federal contracts, so yeah drug testing happens
02:12<dcraig>http://ronleracres.cafebonappetit.com/
02:12<dcraig>there's the food :D
02:12<dcraig>probably on par with walmart
02:12<zifnab>i need to find a software job somewhere that pays well without a degree
02:12<zifnab>i have a kind-of offer with a startup, but its a startup
02:12<zifnab>'working from home for a startup' sounds boring, even if the work would be fun
02:13<dcraig>you could still get one of those inflatable balls to sit on
02:13<dcraig>even if it's at home
02:13<zifnab>do people really do that?
02:13<dcraig>I thought that's how startups worked
02:13<dcraig>everyone gets a ball
02:14<zifnab>if they want to get me a weird chair, at least make it a beanbag
02:14<James>big dongs
02:14<James>$NEW_DONG
02:14<zifnab>https://www.sumolounge.com/omni.php?re=na
02:14<zifnab>with the right desk i could do that
02:14<zifnab>(beanbags are great from there - i fucking hate the 'look a girl in a beanbag' advertising they do though)
02:15<dcraig>my desk goes up and down
02:15<dcraig>I never stand up though
02:15<dcraig>I don't want to be one of "those people"
02:15<zifnab>my desk at home is still the one i built while in school - its 3 2x8s
02:15<zifnab>on ikea legs
02:15<James>dcraig: oh, it turns into a standing desk?
02:15<dcraig>yes
02:15<James>nice
02:16<James>i want a desk like that
02:16<dcraig>when I moved to the new cube last week I had to have another ergo assessment done
02:16<dcraig>and she showed me how to work it :D
02:16<James>:D
02:16<dcraig>like, we got it programmed with the right height for standing
02:16<zifnab>dcraig: http://i.imgur.com/hKtccUB.png
02:16<zifnab>i don't think mine moves
02:17<dcraig>you just need to replace the legs with robot extend-o legs
02:17<James>^
02:17<zifnab>sadly there's 3 more android devices on that desk now
02:17<zifnab>for a total of 6...
02:17<James>dcraig: oh niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice. i assume they also give you a proper seat?
02:18<dcraig>http://www.steelcase.com/en/products/category/seating/task/think/pages/overview.aspx
02:18<MJCS>http://forecast-consoles.com/products/imagemaster_edit_consoles/NL1-MR
02:18<James>my dad was the ergo person in his last position at work
02:18<MJCS>this desk
02:18<dcraig>that chair
02:18<James>dcraig: i want one
02:18<zifnab>atrix hd, gtab 2 7", nexus 4, moto x at/t, moto g, some shit chinese tablet
02:18<MJCS>with this monitor mounts
02:18<MJCS>http://www.9xmedia.com/new/products/xdesk.php
02:18<dcraig>I wasn't aware the seat slid forward and back
02:18<dcraig>hadn't really played with it much
02:18<zifnab>dcraig: i like those chairs, i might get one
02:18<zifnab>i've seen them before, they were comfy
02:19<dcraig>but Bailey the ergo coach helped me
02:19<zifnab>you have an ergo coach at work
02:19<zifnab>wat
02:19<dcraig>lol
02:19<James>MJCS: with zero-border screens?
02:19<dcraig>sorry
02:19<MJCS>James: no such thing as a zero border screen
02:19<James>zifnab: my dad was one
02:19<James>MJCS: well, narrow-border
02:19<zifnab>i didn't know that was a thing
02:19<dcraig>ergonomic-related injuries are our biggest safety issue
02:19<James>it is a thing
02:19<MJCS>I dont mind the border
02:19<zifnab>weird
02:20<James>big $$ in it
02:20<zifnab>dcraig: please say you don't have one of those split keyboards
02:20<James>dcraig: eh, its pretty cool what can be done in terms of ergo these days
02:20<dcraig>no split keyboard
02:20<zifnab>good
02:20<dcraig>but I could totally get one if i asked
02:20<zifnab>i can't type on them
02:20<James>:)
02:20<dcraig>I don't like them
02:20<zifnab>i overlap tyghbn
02:20<zifnab>between hands
02:21<zifnab>don't ask me why or how, i've done it forever (i blame wow, yhn worked well as extra keybindings)
02:21<dcraig>now that I have my laptop and monitor at a proper height at work, I really do notice my setup at home is annoying/awkward...
02:21<zifnab>i just need a new chair at home
02:22<James>dcraig: i want an adjustable height desk and better chair at home
02:22<zifnab>maybe next week if i get paid from $OLD_JOB (currently department of labor dispute, i won just waiting)
02:22<MJCS>I need to get 1-3 more monitors
02:22<MJCS>3 isnt cutting itr
02:22<James>:D
02:22<zifnab>i have 4, but 2 are laptops
02:22<zifnab>i kinda want a 4k
02:22<James>get two 4k's
02:22<dcraig>I read somewhere that the less important you are, the more monitors you have...
02:23<zifnab>i have two 28" at work
02:23<zifnab>home drives me crazy now
02:23<zifnab>22" and 14"
02:23<James>i have a 27" 1440p
02:23<MJCS>Well My primary monitor has Visual Studio, right has site im working on, left has documentation, I need another for TV/movies
02:23<zifnab>chromebook and/or tablet!
02:23<MJCS>and another for email
02:23<James>and a shitty 1080p 24"
02:23<dcraig>when I moved desks, I also upgraded from 21.5 to 24" monitor, and I actually find the 24" to be a bit big
02:23<zifnab>so when i sit up straight
02:23<dcraig>like, I moved it farther away on my desk
02:23<zifnab>my chin is over the top of my monitor
02:24<zifnab>i think that's breaking some rule
02:24<dcraig>yeah, your chin is weird
02:24<zifnab>well it makes me slouch
02:24<zifnab>otherwise my kneck hurts
02:24<dcraig>you need a monitor riser
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02:24<zifnab>or a taller desk
02:25<zifnab>or a new desk!
02:25<dcraig>no, then your arms will be too high
02:25<zifnab>if it was slightly taller i'd be happy
02:25<zifnab>i'm a giant
02:25<James>my screens are up high
02:25<James>one is on top of my xbox360
02:25<James>:D
02:25<dcraig>I think I have the desk at 29.6"
02:26<dcraig>and the 24" monitor is sitting on 8" or so of monitor riser
02:26<James>nice
02:27<zifnab>hrm i should see how tall these legs are
02:27<zifnab>iirc they're at 36"
02:27<zifnab>back to "i'm a giant" though
02:27<dcraig>how tall?
02:27<zifnab>6"5
02:27<zifnab>6'5"*
02:28<dcraig>I guess that is kinda tall
02:28<dcraig>I'm 6'2"
02:28<zifnab>wow i'm wrong: ikea says 29"
02:29<zifnab>build your own sandwich bar
02:30<zifnab>i want that so much right now
02:31<zifnab>dcraig: so is intel hiring?
02:31<zifnab>preferably compentant SE's without a degree
02:31<dcraig>no idea
02:31<zifnab>(making assumptions based on your food link earlier)
02:32<dcraig>they're hiring a lot of process engineers
02:32<dcraig>dunno about anything else
02:32<zifnab>i have 19 credits left, i just don't have money to do them atm
02:33<zifnab>kind of in a 'cant afford to finish without working full time' mode
02:33<dcraig>that sucks
02:34<zifnab>yeah, oh well
02:34<zifnab>eventually
02:35<zifnab>might end up at a startup thingy next year, finish it then (more flexible work hours)
02:36<dcraig>startups have flexible hours?
02:36<dcraig>I thought it was 16 hours a day, 7 days a week :p
02:36<dcraig>but with the bouncy balls to sit on
02:37<zifnab>haha
02:37<zifnab>i honestly don't know, we'll see!
02:37<zifnab>lots of AI stuff, i might just take it until i finish school
02:37<zifnab>(seeing as they offered part time to finish school if nessecary, i'm guessing it won't be too nuts?)
02:38<dcraig>I'm sure every place is unique
02:38<zifnab>its *only* 300/credit hour
02:39<zifnab>works out to like 4500, hopefully finish up in the next year
02:39<zifnab>(4500 being 'things over 12 are much cheaper')
02:40<dcraig>are these numbers dollars?
02:40<dcraig>so confuse
02:40<zifnab>yeah, sorry
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02:56<Rushikesh>hi
02:57<Rushikesh>Need some help..
02:57<James>Hi
02:58<Rushikesh>James.. I am facing some weird issue with the server
02:59<James>what's up
02:59<James>we might be able to ehlp you fix
03:02<Rushikesh>I am currently using windows 7.. when I open my website in Mozilla it works fine.. but when I open in Chrome its show me a Bad Gateway 502 error
03:02<Rushikesh>on Ubuntu it does not work on chromium but on mozilla it works perfectly fine
03:03<Rushikesh>On Mac it does not work on Safari and Chrome
03:03<Rushikesh>I am really confused with this
03:03<Rushikesh>http://gourmetitup.com/mumbai
03:04<Rushikesh>this is the website link
03:05<Rushikesh>I have restarted the server many times and tried
03:05<dcraig>works fine for me wth chrome
03:05<Rushikesh>but that also didn't work
03:06<Rushikesh>It problem in some OS and some browser.. @dcraig: what is your OS?
03:07<dcraig>windows 7
03:08<Rushikesh>It not working for me
03:09<sirpengi>did you just turn on the site recently
03:09<sirpengi>or change the dns
03:09<Rushikesh>no
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03:11<sirpengi>did you recently disable https
03:14<Rushikesh>No.. Ours are normal http
03:14<Rushikesh>so we didn't that as well
03:17<James>works for me too. nice site btw
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03:25<dcraig>made me hungry
03:26<James>yeah
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03:28<Rushikesh>hahaha!!! Thanks
03:28<Rushikesh>Come to Mumbai
03:28<Rushikesh>whats you OS james?
03:29<rails>I hate ddos kiddies.
03:29<rails>and I'm gonna have to have a big argument to get an extra IP, i know it.
03:29*rails sigh
03:30<@drussell>James runs WindowsDOS in a KVM environment as his primary OS
03:30<rails>dos 5 ftw
03:32<Rushikesh>I do not much idea about DOS so can't comment on this.. but guys what can be the issue?
03:32<James>Rushikesh: win8.1
03:32<James>Rushikesh: looks like your 502 error may be cached?
03:32<Rushikesh>I tried clearing the cache and cookies as well
03:32<James>weird
03:32<James>do you use a proxy at work?
03:32<Rushikesh>even restarted the server many time
03:33<Rushikesh>no
03:33<James>hmm no idea
03:33<James>just assume it works in chrome, cos it does for me here
03:33<James>looks nice
03:33<rails>drussell: has ANYONE ever been able to talk linode into a second ipv4 ip, ever?
03:34<@drussell>O.O
03:34<@drussell>There's a ton of people with more than one IPv4 addr.
03:34<@drussell>You just have to have justification for it.
03:36<rails>what guidelines do you follow, RIPE or ARIN?
03:37<Rushikesh>I will ask my friends to check it out.. will get back on this
03:38<James>drussell: i have two
03:38<James>for some reason
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03:38<@drussell>IPv4s?
03:38<James>yep
03:38<syed>Hi
03:38<@drussell>Older Linodes?
03:38<James>no?
03:38<@drussell>Is one
03:38<@drussell>192.168? ;)
03:38<James>I don't know
03:39<James>nah
03:39<rails>lel
03:39<James>104.x on one
03:39<James>and some 107?
03:39<@drussell>o.O
03:39<@drussell>And you never had justification?
03:39<syed>hi
03:39<James>yeah i did
03:39<James>cos i'm ja
03:39<James>*James
03:39<@drussell>Oh. I see.
03:39<@drussell>2fab4me
03:39<James>:D
03:40<@drussell>With your NFC ring that takes up half ye hand ;)
03:40<rails>only one NFC ring? pfffff
03:41<James>BITCHES!!! http://auspost.com.au/track/track.html?id=79S3041278
03:41<rails>snrk
03:41<rails>hope the dont lose it
03:41<rails>;)
03:41<rails>they*
03:41<James>rails: https://i.imgur.com/etVlUyr.jpg
03:41<James>rails: yeah.
03:42<James>isn't chullora near the airport?
03:42<rails>horry shiet, that does take up half your hand
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03:42<rails>https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17669694/prc/20140630_113424.jpeg
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03:42<rails>it's tiny on me
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03:51<rails>only thing i dislike about linode.
03:51*rails shrug
03:52<James>:o
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05:21<SamGoody>Hi all. Am trying to run a Openfire chat server. Am a bit confused about permissions - when I add a link to init.d to make it run on startup, does it automatically run as root:root?
05:21<SamGoody>Does it matter if I install using sudo with my user, or as root?
05:22<SamGoody>And, is it a mistake to give the owner - be it root or myself - chmod +x?
05:22<SamGoody>Since it comes without +x on everything when I unzip, and doesnt work (obviously)
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06:04<victor>hello everyone, i try to run an app rails , in dev enviroment, but dont access it
06:07<victor>try to run an application without making deploy, only from the development environment in the terminal says it's running but I try to access it through the browser using the ip and unresponsive. I can do?
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06:26<SamGoody>hi
06:26<SamGoody>anyone around?
06:27<James>Hi!
06:27<James>Whatup
06:27<SamGoody>I would like to run openfire. The instructions here: http://www.igniterealtime.org/builds/openfire/docs/latest/documentation/install-guide.html
06:27<SamGoody>Do not say whether to run with sudo or not
06:27<James>I would give it its own user
06:27<SamGoody>As I imagine thats pretty basic linode kung fu. have a few questions.
06:28<James>:)
06:28<SamGoody>1) I gave it its own user. But
06:28<SamGoody>to run at startup I put it into /etc/init.d (symlink)
06:28<SamGoody>Does that run as openfire or as root?
06:28<James>depends
06:29<James>i would put it as an @reboot cron job if you don't have a proper init script
06:29<SamGoody>2) To put the unzipped openfire into /opt/ (as they recommend), I had to do it with sudo. Does that make a difference? The openfire user has no permissions in /opt/
06:30<SamGoody>I found a tutorial from Linode that says to put it into /etc/init.d
06:30<SamGoody>https://www.linode.com/docs/applications/messaging/instant-messaging-services-with-openfire-on-ubuntu-12-04-lts-precise-pangolin
06:30<James>you give it permission on the /opt/openfire directory
06:30<SamGoody>How? chmod u=rxw
06:31<SamGoody>-R
06:31<SamGoody>Is that right?
06:31<victor>hello everyone, i try to run an application without making deploy, only from the development environment in the terminal says it's running but I try to access it through the browser using the ip and unresponsive. I can do?
06:31<James>chown -R openfire /opt/openfire afaik
06:31<victor>a rails app
06:31<SamGoody>That makes it owned by openfire, but doesnt change the permissions
06:32<SamGoody>Even the owner does not have execute permissions on most everything inside the folder
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06:33<SamGoody>eg, in the bin folder: -rw-r--r-- 1 openfire webdevs 4187 Dec 14 08:11 openfire.sh
06:34<SamGoody>I imagine I have to change that. Do I need to change +x to the whole folder, or just what I see
06:35<SamGoody>Is there any reason not to just make the whole folder 755?
06:35<victor>hello everyone, i try to run a rails application without making deploy, only from the development environment in the terminal says it's running but I try to access it through the browser using the ip and unresponsive. I can do?
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06:36<gbit>victor: please do not repeat your question. What for anyone to answer it.
06:36<SamGoody>victor: I know nothing about rails. But I _do_ see your posts.
06:36<gbit>s/what/wait/
06:36<victor>gbit: sorry
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06:40<SamGoody>sudo service openfire start gets openfire: unrecognized service
06:40<SamGoody>How do I fix that?
06:40<gbit>SamGoody: check your logs
06:40<SamGoody>what logs?
06:45<victor>ready, and the error was corrected, was a lock IPTables.
06:46<victor>the 3000 port is locked by iptables.
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07:47<SNy>SamGoody: About the setting the whole directly +x, try http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/24389/setting-execution-right-to-whole-directory-is-it-good-or-bad-idea
07:48<SNy>About the unknown service, did you follow that tutorial you pasted the link to?
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09:42<_ez_>are there any alternatives to running the NetworkManager service for static network configuration? That thing uses more ram than Nginx
09:43<_ez_>(fedora 21)
09:43<dkstiler>hello !!
09:43<_ez_>oi
09:43<@caker>_ez_: I would think just turn it off and use the static init scripts
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09:44<dkstiler>ez you can cofigure static ip trough interfaces file !!
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09:44<dkstiler>and turn off the network manager startuc script !!
09:44<_ez_>caker: and those files will be read without NetworkManager on startup ?
09:44<@caker>they better be.
09:44<_ez_>awesome
09:44<dkstiler>yes it is always linux worked that way !!
09:44<_ez_>that saves me 2.7% of my ram
09:45<dkstiler>btw is anyone from linode support here !! i want to ask some questions :)
09:45<@caker>!ask
09:45<+linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
09:45<dkstiler>hello caker :D
09:45<_ez_>dkstiler: a lof of knowledgeble linode folks here :D
09:45<dkstiler>i was reviewing your site for a possible bussines hosting you you :)
09:46<dkstiler>and since my system is a radius server setup with possible routing etc .. i need custom kernel run on the vps is that possible with you ?
09:46<_ez_>Im not sure if the free stuff department is on irc :D
09:46<Cromulent>dkstiler: yes
09:47<Cromulent>dkstiler: https://www.linode.com/docs/tools-reference/custom-kernels-distros/run-a-custom-compiled-kernel-with-pvgrub
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09:48<buhman>_ez_: what's wrong with systemd-networkd?
09:48<James>^
09:49<_ez_>buhman: Probably nothing, but i had to install NetworkManager to use nmcli or nmtui
09:49<buhman>O.o
09:49<James>ah ya
09:49<dkstiler>and since my system will use also accounting and authentication packets and ports specific for a radius system like freeradius
09:49<James>don't use those!
09:49<_ez_>I'd love not to use those, but a lot has changed since f14 :D
09:49<James>unless you raelly need to
09:49<James>:D
09:49<_ez_>So I got a tad confused
09:49<buhman>_ez_: you don't need to
09:50<Cromulent>_ez_: systemd can handle all of that - it is well worth learning how to use systemd it is pretty powerful
09:50<dkstiler>cacker: can i convo you for somequestions ?
09:50<buhman>_ez_: Linode's F21 template has a .network dhcp config
09:50<Cromulent>dkstiler: just ask here
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09:51<_ez_>buhman: I wanted to configure the network statically, and the first many answers i got to doing that involced nmcli or nmtui
09:51<buhman>_ez_: naa, just do it the same way network-helper does it
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09:51<_ez_>I think nmtui created the configs i can use, but i kinda forgot where they are now
09:51<dkstiler>well since radius authetication packets some of them are header depended,are linode vps trough tunneling protocols or the vps are with a bridged interface direct exposed to network ?
09:52<buhman>_ez_: make a /etc/systemd/network/05-static.network
09:52<buhman>_ez_: http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.network.html
09:52<_ez_>buhman: thanks
09:54<James>OR let network-helper do it
09:54<_ez_>i much prefer config files over command line interfaces
09:54<James>unless it will eat everything?
09:55<James>buhman: please confirm
09:55<buhman>James: well, once network-helper adds F21 templates ;p
09:55<James>ah
09:55<James>k
09:56<_ez_>I hope this doesn't come back to haunt me when im setting up vpn
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09:57<_ez_>I have no /etc/systemd/network/ directory, will it still read the configs if i create the dir and place a script there ?
09:57<dkstiler>anyone with my question an answer? thanks for your time :)
09:57<James>yep
09:57<buhman>_ez_: absolutely
09:57<James>dkstiler: linodes are bridged
09:57<buhman>_ez_: http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-networkd.html
09:58<James>no firewall between your linode and the internet
09:58<James>afaik only broadcast is filtered...
09:58<James>unless you're in atlanta
09:59<dkstiler>well im considering europe datacenter
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09:59<dkstiler>london probably :) but still i need to see whats the latecny becouse radius is depend much more on latencies since most communication is time dependent
10:00<Cromulent>!speedtest
10:00<+linbot>http://www.linode.com/speedtest
10:00<dkstiler>for packets back and fourth for proper accounting :)
10:00<Cromulent>dkstiler: ^ ping it and see what your latency is from your current location
10:02<_ez_>systemd is awesome, I love it already
10:05<dkstiler>thanks ppl seems i have a ping of 80 ms mostly
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10:05<dkstiler>seems acceptable for my implementation
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10:06<_ez_>i use the London datacentre and i have no latency problems whatsoever
10:06<_ez_>Im located in Denmark
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10:07<dkstiler>thanks ez :) seems that i will try to start my bussiness with linode
10:07<dkstiler>everything i have seen on te net reviews etc.. pointed me here :)
10:08<_ez_>I have had linode since 2011 orso
10:08<_ez_>this channel and their web support is brilliant
10:08<gbit>_ez_: just curious, what is your latency to London?
10:09<_ez_>25-26ms
10:09<gbit>oh my :)
10:09<dkstiler>LOL
10:09<dkstiler>its around 80 from greece !!
10:09<_ez_>well I am on a wireless connection
10:10<_ez_>theres 3 wireless links between me and linode
10:10<dkstiler>it does not matter its whats is beetween you and the london the network infrastructure
10:10<_ez_>my WiFi access point, a ubiquity link to a cetral location
10:10<dkstiler>is what matters
10:10<pronto>https://downdetector.com/status/verizon-communications/map/ o.o
10:10<_ez_>and a wireless link to the ISP
10:11<_ez_>Im confident that the london datacentre is awesome tho, I frequently benchmark my websites
10:13<_ez_>plus when i had wired internet i used it as IPSec VPN and it was no problem
10:13<gbit>From brazil to London is 355ms, to Atlanta is 190ms. So dkstiler stop complaining about 80ms :)
10:14<dkstiler>no there is no complain :)
10:14<dkstiler>its acceptable for what i want to do :)
10:14<dkstiler>more than 150 and i would have problems
10:14<dkstiler>so seems that i will start my setup here :)
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10:16<toothe>So, I've decided I'm going to request that /56 allocation. How do I do that?
10:16<gbit>dkstiler: sure I'm just kidding. Linode is the way, don't worry about them. I'm 5 years customer.
10:16<dwfreed>toothe: just open a ticket and ask
10:16<toothe>oh...well, that's easy enough ha!
10:17<dkstiler>well if you seen above my radius authentication packets have probem with big latencies since it is time dependend :P
10:18<dkstiler>anyway seems i will try to setup here and see how it goes :)
10:18<_ez_>good luck
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10:20<hamadakhalaf>hi
10:20<hamadakhalaf>any body here
10:20<buhman>!ask
10:20<+linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
10:21<rails>linodes resolvers only work from inside linode, right?
10:21<buhman>rails: from within the local datacenter, even.
10:21<rails>yeah that
10:21<rails>that explains why my everything broke :^)
10:22<hamadakhalaf>I had an account with you and I have canceled it
10:22<hamadakhalaf>but I have not get a refund
10:23<Cromulent>hamadakhalaf: send a ticket to support
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10:23<Cromulent>pfft
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10:24<dkstiler>thanks for the info :)
10:24<dkstiler>and a last question would be how linode accepts payments trough credit card or also trough bank transfer?
10:24<dwfreed>you can only pay by credit card
10:26<Cromulent>well and debit card
10:26<Cromulent>assuming it is a visa or mastercard debit card
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10:28<James>Welp. Martin place siege is over
10:28<rails>it is?
10:28<James>yep
10:29<James>they've stormed the building
10:29<James>gunshots were heard
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10:32<Cromulent>James: you mean this? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-30485355
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10:32<James>yeah
10:34<rails>they are moving people around now
10:34<rails>they just draged someone out
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10:34<rails>oh
10:34<rails>its a replay nvm
10:35<James>yeah
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10:37<dkstiler>thanks for any info ppl :)
10:37<_ez_>How do i tell if systemd is indeed running the static.network script ?
10:37<dkstiler>see you around !
10:37<akerl>_ez_: systemctl list-units ?
10:38<_ez_>sys-devices-vif\x2d0-net-eth0.device loaded active plugged /sys/devices/vif-0/net/eth0, that sounds good I suppose
10:39<dkstiler>also another question will be if i start with the lowest plan can i upgraded later without loosing any data ?
10:39<akerl>Yes
10:40<gbit>dkstiler: and downgrade too.
10:40<rails>James: this girl on abc news24 has no idea what she's talking about
10:40<James>i know right
10:40<rails>"obviously in army EOD uniform"
10:40<James>lol
10:40<rails>no, thats TOC
10:40<James>TOC?
10:40<rails>er, TOU*
10:40<rails>tactical ops unit
10:40<James>oh, the police tac unit
10:40<rails>yeah
10:40<James>she said the SAS were there XD
10:41<James>:p
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10:41<rails>i know right
10:41<Nivex>I've never figured out why they do "Man on the Street" interviews.
10:41<James>they put the useless ones
10:41<Nivex>http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20141215
10:41<James>if they get shot, the network collects the $$ and the victim doesn't
10:42<_ez_>I cant find any references to my static.network file with systemctl list-units, but there are references to both eth0 and networkd
10:42<Nivex>(yes, UF is in reruns, but it's disturbingly timely still)
10:42<rails>how long has UF been in reruns now? 5 years?
10:42<James>holy shit they went in hard and fast
10:42<James>(the replay of the gunshots)
10:42<rails>thats the only option
10:43<James>mmm
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10:43<rails>if you go in slow, you risk spooking the gunman, risking civvy casulaties
10:43<James>yeah
10:43<James>so, go in fast with cover fire?
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10:44<rails>no cover, probably
10:44<rails>go in fast, clear rooms as quietly and quickly as possible
10:44<James>friends are looking up the gunmans socials
10:44<James>was a nutter
10:44<James>is/was
10:44<rails>yeah
10:45<rails>absolute nutter
10:45<rails>self-proclaimed sheik
10:45<James>mmm
10:45<_ez_>is there a way to tell if im using a static or dynamic network config? I was trying to use a systemd .network file
10:45<James>_ez_: magic!
10:45<dzho>heh
10:46<rails>ahahah, suck it Shyvonne!
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10:49<_ez_>hrmpf
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10:50<akerl>_ez_: Is dhcp loaded?
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10:50<akerl>Either you're getting your IPv4 config from DHCP or you're setting it yourself
10:50<akerl>Check which one of those is happening
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10:51<_ez_>dmesg | grep dhcp ; no result
10:51<akerl>Why check dmesg when you can check systemd?
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10:53<_ez_>akerl: I tried systemctl list-units but I couldnt interpret the output to say for sure
10:53<akerl>I'd suggest trying harder to interpret the output :P
10:53<akerl>There's also a command to specifically list what's running, and you can check /etc/systemd/system/ to see what it wants to load at boot
10:54<akerl>also /etc/systemd/network/ and such
10:54<_ez_>akerl: I find no references to the config file i created
10:54<akerl>Where did you create a config file?
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10:54<_ez_>i created a /etc/systemd/network folde and put a static.network file there
10:54<akerl>Mhm
10:54<_ez_>f21
10:55<akerl>I'm continuously amused that folks are so interested in running bleeding edge before grasping how the system works
10:56<_ez_>well I did know that f14 and f17 "works"
10:56<coxn_>akerl: *mumble* *mumble* bad car analogy *mumble*
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10:57<buhman>_ez_: you'll probably also want to mask 10-dhcp.network
10:57<buhman>_ez_: ln -s /dev/null /etc/systemd/network/10-dhcp.network
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10:57<_ez_>there is no such file
10:57<akerl>o.O
10:57<_ez_>i created the ln -s /dev/null /etc/systemd/network folder
10:58<akerl>_ez_: You're masking it
10:58<_ez_>eh
10:58<_ez_>I created /etc/systemd/network folder even
10:58<akerl>buhman: I'll not get into how I feel about network things that default to doing things and need to be masked
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11:05<@jchen>instead of masking you can also delete the file in /usr/lib/systemd/whatever
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11:05<@jchen>but masking is done so you don't delete stuff
11:06<_ez_>is masking nescessary? I would like to just know if dhcp or static networking is taking place
11:06<akerl>_ez_: If your distro defaults to having a DHCP network file, and you add a static network file, and it uses all the network files, you will get *both*
11:07<_ez_>i see, :|
11:08<dzho>this is a good time to get up to speed on how to make backup copies (tar and rsync) of your configuration.
11:08<dzho>you can get caught chasing your tail here.
11:08<akerl>:>
11:09<akerl>something something automated deployments and config management
11:09<dzho>heh
11:09<James>somethingsomething give akerl your root password :>
11:09<James>joking
11:09<James>don't do that
11:09<dzho>something something system administration for web programmers
11:09<_ez_>buhman: ill try your link, should override /usr/lib/systemd/10-dhcp.network
11:09<@jchen>node.js
11:10<akerl>If I were making a list of things that boosted my productivity in actually working on interesting things, web dev included, being able to hit a button and rebuild a clean stack is #1
11:10<akerl>#2, #3, and #4 are all "see #1"
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11:12<dzho>"interesting"
11:13<dzho>fsvo of "interesting" one learns as little as possible about any of this, but does something like, say, collecting butterflies in the Amazon.
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11:14<dzho>that's how you get people wanting to just cut to the chase and run the most recent hotness, or jump right in to running the version of whatever that has the dependencies for this thing they need to run for business reasons, etc
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11:15<dzho>our entire world seems driven by the short term, so why would "if you do it right the first time you'll have fewer problems later" seem any more compelling here than elsewhere?
11:15<akerl>heh
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11:16<dzho>see also: worse it better, move fast and break things blah blah blah
11:17<akerl>As the devils advocate here, I do "move fast and break things" *now* :P
11:17<dzho>ugh
11:17<gparent>i refuse to move
11:18<dzho>eppur si muove
11:18<akerl>Now that I can rebuild instances with a button press, it's really easy to try random shit
11:18<akerl>Because when I blow it up, I just hit the red button
11:18<dzho>yeah
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11:18<SlosHeD>G'morning
11:18<akerl>Latest example is ripping systemd out in favor of s6
11:18<dzho>hiya SlosHeD
11:19<SlosHeD>anyone alive for a question?
11:19<akerl>which has involved hitting the red button repeatedly
11:19<akerl>SlosHeD: No
11:19<SlosHeD>hrm
11:19<dzho>akerl: how do you note what works and what doesn't when you're blowing all your experiments away?
11:19<dzho>SlosHeD: !ask
11:19<akerl>dzho: Well, if the system boots, it worked
11:19<SlosHeD>i have a bit of an odd issue
11:19<akerl>If it kpanics, it didn't work
11:19<dzho>akerl: "it"
11:19<akerl>dzho: The Linux OS
11:19<dzho>the key question seems to be what "it" is from iteration to iteration.
11:20<SlosHeD>on two seperate occasions now I have signed into my mc server and noticed one of the servers is terminated
11:20<dzho>eg, how one iteration differs from the other.
11:20<SlosHeD>so i screen in and in the prompt it simply says 'Killed'
11:20<dzho>SlosHeD: huh.
11:20<SlosHeD>thats it....no real explanation
11:20<psandin>check dmesg
11:20<akerl>dzho: I'm deploying *from version control* :P
11:20<psandin>the JVM is notoriously fat
11:20<dzho>akerl: ah!
11:20<akerl>Where else would I be deploying from?
11:21<akerl>Make changes -> commit/push -> hit red button -> wait for error or success -> if error, go to step 1
11:21<dzho>akerl: fair enough
11:21<rnowak>"Copy of Copy of akerl's os (4)", obviously
11:21<psandin>I hope there's some branching involved
11:21<dzho>akerl: then again, how do you administer the system holding your repositories?
11:22<psandin>or is ia post it note commit 8232f344 doesn't suck?
11:22<gparent>So I shipped a $20k router at the wrong place
11:22<gparent>a little bit of a bummer
11:23<dzho>oops
11:23<dzho>I see I've hit the halting problem with akerl, who is now in a dependency loop.
11:24<dzho>"it's version control all the way down down down down down . . . ."
11:24<akerl>dzho: It's a great world
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11:24<rnowak>bootstrapped self-hosting \o/
11:24<SlosHeD>So....no idea who or what is killing my server?
11:24<akerl>SlosHeD: What does "terminated" mean?
11:25<akerl>You log in from Lish, and what's there?
11:25<James>akerl: oh, so that's the real point behind the static network automagic thingo?
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11:25<James>:P
11:25<SlosHeD>in the server prompt it simply says 'Killed' and the server is dead
11:25<James>gets your network up, then your stuff does the rest of the deployment
11:25<akerl>What server prompt
11:25<SlosHeD>minecraft
11:25<psandin>akerl: I already fingered the OOM killer, but nobody ever listens to me
11:25<akerl>Yea, go look at the actual server
11:25<akerl>psandin: That's because it's clearly a flipped evil bit
11:26<dzho>not the minecraft server process, the Linux server
11:26<SlosHeD>how would i do that? Sorry I'm still learning...
11:26<akerl>SlosHeD: Log in via SSH
11:26<SlosHeD>already there
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11:26<akerl>Is Minecraft running?
11:27<SlosHeD>nope...i havent touched it.... this is the second time its happened and i wanted to solve this
11:27<James>gparent: woops
11:27<James>gparent: is it recoverable?
11:27<akerl>SlosHeD: How did you check if minecraft is running?
11:27<gparent>it's okay. we'll prepare another and ship it overnight
11:27<James>>.>
11:27<gparent>yeah, I swapped the addresses
11:27<dzho>SlosHeD: are you running it within a GNU screen or tmux session?
11:27<gparent>just the wrong gear at the wrong place, but it's not lost
11:27<SlosHeD>i use screen
11:27<James>gparent: Oh ok.
11:27<SlosHeD>i couldn't connect ....so i switched over and screen'ed in and thats when i saw it was '
11:27<gparent>they found out during deployment
11:27<SlosHeD>Killed'
11:27<dzho>SlosHeD: ah, ok.
11:28<James>gparent: and went "hmm, this switch has extra $0's on the end of its price tag..."
11:28<dzho>SlosHeD: maybe some pastebinning with context beyond that one word might be instructive.
11:28<SlosHeD>I've been using linode for awhile now and I've never seen this before
11:28<akerl>SlosHeD: Try logging in to Lish
11:28<gparent>James: 2951 vs 2921
11:28<James>heh
11:28<gparent>They needed the latter, got the former
11:28<James>so it was no use?
11:28<gparent>well it's just overpowered
11:29<James>oh
11:29<SlosHeD>I'm not sure what you would like to see pasted
11:29<gparent>they redid the interfaces configs and its up and running, but we'll need to swap it down to a 2921 eventually
11:29<SlosHeD>as i said...kind of new to this
11:29<James>yup
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11:29<James>you got ONE NUMBER wrong :p
11:29<gparent>just bummed and had to share my pain
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11:29<James>!
11:29<gparent>heh
11:29<akerl>SlosHeD: Log in to Lish, check if there's anything shown there
11:30<James>no confirmed casualties
11:30<James>no idea what happened to gunman
11:30<James>(who is a nutter. check his socials)
11:30<SlosHeD>looking at the tutorial
11:30<@rohara>SlosHeD: it sounds like you OOMd (i.e., ran out of memory) and Lish will show you if Java was killed.
11:31<SlosHeD>ok...thats a bad thing if thats true because it was already at 4gigs
11:31<akerl>SlosHeD: Minecraft is hungry, yo
11:31<James>maybe give it less ram
11:32<psandin>the JVM is hungry, minecraft doesn't help
11:32<James>there are alternative jvm's
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11:33<SlosHeD>heh...i was here the other week because i had issues getting that set up
11:33<James>i remember that!
11:34<SlosHeD>dang thing kept complaining that i had the wrong version installed
11:35*dzho coughs *minetest*
11:36*gparent steps on a linode and explodes
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11:36<SlosHeD>http://gyazo.com/c5d2e78071774a6568e806157825c536
11:36<SlosHeD>thats what this lish tells me
11:38<psandin>the big wall is the list of things the OOM killer wanted to axe, but didn't, and at the bottom we have our lucky "winner" => java
11:38<akerl>SlosHeD: So it OOMed
11:38<dzho>apache2, minecraft, mysql oh my
11:38<SlosHeD>:)
11:38<dzho>nom nom nom
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11:39<dzho>!memory
11:39<+linbot>Linodes are sold by the amount of memory. You get a dedicated chunk - there is no overcommit on the host. If you run out, you can add !extras or !resize
11:39<James>yeah i found out the hard way
11:39<dzho>oh
11:39<James>if you run an mc server...
11:39<James>can't fit anything else on it
11:40<James>lol, no extras now
11:40<SlosHeD>well...something is gone buggy
11:40<James>!extras
11:40<James>:\
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11:40<SlosHeD>I've been using linode for a few months now (Love it) and this is something new...
11:40<James>:D
11:41<dzho>SlosHeD: well, presumably your database tables and your minecraft map have both been growing
11:41<SlosHeD>i noticed when i launch the server i get a weird message....lemme capture it
11:41<SlosHeD>i havent even went public with the server in question
11:41<akerl>SlosHeD: Pastebins are great, way better than pictures
11:41<SlosHeD>its been in development since Oct.
11:42<SlosHeD>well...unfortunately I'm not talented like yall are with pasting...it zooms by too quick to grab
11:42<SlosHeD>unless you know a trick
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11:42<akerl>Select -> copy -> go to browser -> paste?
11:42<James>Ctrl+a+Esc in the screen
11:42<SlosHeD>its pre-server launch...
11:42<James>?
11:42<akerl>SlosHeD: Scroll up?
11:42<SlosHeD>cant...it eats text
11:42<akerl>No it doesn't
11:43<SlosHeD>thats what i said
11:43<akerl>If you're in screen, ctrl-a esc
11:43<SlosHeD>i will try that now
11:43<James>then arrow key up
11:43<James>:)
11:44<dzho>SlosHeD: maybe someone here is talented. I think most of us just have experience :-)
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11:44<SlosHeD>that was light sarcasm :)
11:44<arlen>my mom says I'm talented
11:45<SlosHeD>i try to ask questions...its how i learn things :)
11:45<psandin>mikegrb's mom says you're talented too :P
11:45<SlosHeD>i did not get that message this time around
11:45<James>arlen: like those talented shirts?
11:45<arlen>Yeah
11:45<James>:D
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11:45<James>"talented" :.
11:46<James>:>
11:46<SlosHeD>it was something regarding memory amounts... brb checking the other servers
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11:49<SlosHeD>finally found it
11:49<SlosHeD>Warning, your max perm gen size is not set or less than 128mb. It is recommended you restart Java with the following argument: -XX:MaxPermSize=128M
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11:50<SlosHeD>afk...have to wake up my kiddo for school
11:54<zifnab>James: your country is safe again?
11:54<SlosHeD>k...
11:54<James>yeh
11:54<James>two suspected casualties
11:55<zifnab>cool
11:55<zifnab>did they catch the 'terrorists'
11:55<zifnab>and were they actually terrorists, or was my assumption of 'schizeophrenic middle-age man with gun' valid?
11:56<SlosHeD>?
11:56<James>one guy
11:56<zifnab>SlosHeD: sydney hostage situation yesterday
11:56<zifnab>someone took over a chocolate cafe thingy
11:57<SlosHeD>oh...i havent been on the comp all weekend
11:57<zifnab>yeah
11:57<zifnab>oh well
11:58<SlosHeD>any idea about that error message?
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11:58<akerl>It probably means what it says
11:58<SlosHeD>I'm asking because i dont know what to do :D
11:58<dzho>java -XX:MaxPermSize=128M whateveryourminecrafterserverfileis.jar
11:58<dzho>I think I'd try that
11:59<dzho>you know, for science
11:59<SlosHeD>that makes no sense
11:59<dzho>ok
11:59<SlosHeD>its a big server and it certainly needs more than that...?
11:59<akerl>Why do you say that?
11:59<dzho>then put in a bigger number :-)
11:59<dzho>try a range of fashionable powers-of-2 until you find one that suits you?
12:00<SlosHeD>they get launched by java -Xmx4092M -Xms4092M -jar spigot.jar
12:00<SlosHeD>is that wrong?
12:00<akerl>Totally
12:00*SlosHeD frowns
12:01<akerl>SlosHeD: Your java params are dependent on your exact situation. We're not going to be able to just rattle off the "right" numbers
12:01<MajObviousman>however, we will share that the right numbers usually end in a 3
12:01<MajObviousman>not sure why, but that's been my experience
12:02<MajObviousman>I mean divisible by three, sorry
12:02<Yaakov>Though it is not always practical, my best-practive invocation of Java is "apt-get purge java".
12:02<James>:D
12:03<Yaakov>best-practice, too.
12:03<James>I LOVE YOU ALL WITH a GREAT HUGE YAAKOV
12:03<James>Yaakov: sydney siege is over, you can go to sleep now
12:03<SlosHeD>i guess I need to know what the Xmx and Xms means
12:03<Yaakov>Hello, James.
12:03<James>SlosHeD: set Xmx below the ram on your linode
12:04<Yaakov>James: I am still working with Aussie authorities on the post mortem.
12:04<James>you need to allow like, 1 gig or so for the other stuff
12:04<MajObviousman>SlosHeD: thankfully, there are countless documents describing exactly what those two settings do
12:04<James>Yaakov: :o
12:04<SlosHeD>yeah thats what im reading
12:04<Yaakov>Oh wait, I didn't say that.
12:04<SlosHeD>just watching the morning news
12:04<James>XD
12:04<MajObviousman>I would wager that they're the most often turned knob in the airplane cockpit that is Java servlets
12:04<SlosHeD>theyre talking about the standoff thing
12:05<Yaakov>MajObviousman: Airplane cokcpits and Java are a very disturbing juxtaposition.
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12:05<Yaakov>James: Just for the record, I do no secret work and any reference to such things is jocular.
12:09<SNy>SlosHeD: The PermGenSpace is something where long term objects (like class definitions) end up.
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12:09<SNy>As such, it is not directly related to the actual memory footprint.
12:10<SlosHeD>its just weird that its spitting out this error with this install
12:10<SNy>And saying "surely it needs more than that" isn't taking this into account.
12:11<SlosHeD>i just doubt it would exceed 4 gigs with no user load of any kind
12:11<SlosHeD>there was one person on it when it croaked
12:11<MajObviousman>is this a Java app? Yes? Then take those expectations and throw them away
12:11<SlosHeD>lol
12:11<SNy>Well, for starters, what you posted above was a warning, not an error.
12:12<Yaakov>My number one problem with Java apps is memory leaking.
12:12<SNy>And the error, when it occurs, can be indicative of a memory leak.
12:12<SlosHeD>yeah i'm also going to assume its been promoted to an error because my server was shot in the head
12:12<SlosHeD>:)
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12:13<SlosHeD>afk...time to start the car
12:13<SlosHeD>oh wow
12:13<SNy>The problem often arises with static instances or generated classes (or both) that end up holding references to each other and can't be GC'd.
12:13<SlosHeD>35 degrees .....warm out
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12:17<_ez_>from dmesg: [53151015.981587] systemd-sysv-generator[1392]: Could not find init script for longview.service --- I manually installed longview for f20 on a f21 deployment, can I make such an init script to make longview start on boot? and where should i place it?
12:20<Cromulent>_ez_: you could just manually create a systemd service file - much easier than using an init script
12:21<_ez_>aha, I am also wondering how systemd expects a script that isnt there
12:27*MajObviousman has run into this issue with apps based on Hibernate
12:28<MajObviousman>which just creates a zillion shittons of class specifications
12:28<MajObviousman>just as a for-intance data point
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12:41<SlosHeD>shitton is my favorite technical term
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13:07<zifnab>metric shitton is better
13:07<zifnab>it sounds larger
13:07<zifnab>'i have a metric shit ton of phones to upgrade' <-- makes it sound like you know what you're doing
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13:23<pronto>gpd
13:24<gparent>sorry gpd it's my fault
13:24<pronto>oh
13:24<gparent>I swear pronto won't harass you no more
13:24<pronto>lawl
13:25<gparent>Well here's an interesting one. Getting an email every minute from cacti saying a host is up.
13:25<gparent>I'm glad it's still up, but I'm fully aware by now after 19 emails.
13:25<pronto>is it flapping?
13:25<gparent>Nah, stable as it gets.
13:28<Eugene>Clearly; it's up.
13:28<@rohara>See a doctor if that lasts for more than 4 hours.
13:28<gparent>heh
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13:47<tonyyarusso>Say I have two domain names, tonyisawesome.com and tonyisawesome.net, and an SSL certificate that is only valid for tonyisawesome.com, with no SubjectAltName for the .net. Is there any way with mod_rewrite in Apache to make requests to https://tonyisawesome.net/ redirect to the .com without throwing a certificate error first?
13:47<gparent>No.
13:47<akerl>NO
13:47<gparent>owned
13:47<akerl>Wow caps lock
13:48<gparent>stop yelling at the customers akerl
13:48<gparent>you know better
13:48<illuminata>seems fairly quiet in here, take it there hasn't been anybody complaining about newark?
13:48<illuminata>status.linode isn't reporting anything either
13:48<tonyyarusso>'k. I was *pretty* sure that was the case, but brain doubting self and all that.
13:48<gparent>Newark is cool, I like their airport
13:48<akerl>tonyyarusso: The decision by the browser to throw a cert error happens before they agree on what content you're going to get, except in the case of SNI
13:48<^H>Notice my VPS is down, sign into #linode, get distracted by candy, come back to a new ticket from linode about hardware failure. I should get distracted by candy more often.
13:48<illuminata>^maybe that's what's affecting me too
13:48<akerl>illuminata: Why not tell us what you think the actual issue is?
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13:48<Peng>Linode Cloud Candy
13:49<akerl>illuminata: If youw were being affected by a hardware issue, you would likewise have a ticket
13:49<illuminata>well that's the thing, i'm not the account owner, that's why i was trying to gauge things here
13:49<^H>illuminata: If it were that by now you should have a ticket, depending on how manually they send those.
13:49<illuminata>i share a server with buddies
13:49<illuminata>buddies seem to be at work
13:49<akerl>illuminata: This is why the Linode Manager supports multiple users for an account
13:49<illuminata>maybe i can pester them
13:49<illuminata>get the access i demand and deserve
13:50<^H>If things stopped at around 25 after the hour you might be on the same node as me.
13:51<illuminata>don't have an exact time but with the number of connect attempt failures in the irc server window, sounds about right
13:51<^H>(At least, that's the last time it said hello to longview. I dislike speculation but if you lack account access it's the best we can do :P)
13:51<illuminata>lolz
13:51<@rohara>gparent: Newark smells funky to be fair.
13:52<pronto>rohara: not as funky as my coworker today
13:52<pronto>for lunch he got anchovy pizza...
13:52<illuminata>i have a znc process and a placeholder website at stake here so it's serious business
13:53<^H>That sounds suspiciously similar to my current usage. "I'll update this webpage someday..."
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13:55<tonyyarusso>akerl: Wait, back up - I can't tell if you're kidding or multiple users was really finally implemented. What?
13:56<akerl>Um... are you kidding?
13:56<akerl>multiple users per account has been a thing for at least 4 years
13:56<dwfreed>what you can't have is a single user with access to multiple accounts
13:57<@rohara>tonyyarusso: https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/accounts-and-passwords#adding-a-user
13:57<tonyyarusso>akerl: Ooooh, wait - different thing. Now I remember the feature I was asking about was the ability to have a node belong to multiple accounts.
13:57<tonyyarusso>But I legitimately should be adding several users to one of these accounts for hit-by-a-bus reasons. *adds to TODO*
13:58<tonyyarusso>They wouldn't know what any of it means, but at least then they could hire someone to do crisis control :)
13:58<illuminata>rip lilo (though i dunno if he got the bus treatment)
13:58<^H> // TODO avoid bus
13:58<tonyyarusso>That too
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13:59<tonyyarusso>illuminata: In his case it was a car, not a bus.
13:59<illuminata>aah
14:00<illuminata>it's been awhile
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14:07<+linbot>New news from forum: Linode Images (beta) in Current Betas <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11180&p=65537#p65537>
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14:11<^H>illuminata: Hardware issue's resolved for mine, and booting is going to automatically happen in the near future. Hopefully yours is on that box as well. :)
14:12<illuminata>lol, thanks for the heads up
14:12<illuminata>fingers crossed
14:13<^H>I might take advantage of this opportunity to finally upgrade...
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14:19<^H>Aaaaaaaaand I'm back online. Squee. :3
14:21<illuminata>ack. i feel like kirk cameron in left behind
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14:27<illuminata>hallelujah
14:29<^H>All better?
14:29<illuminata>yep
14:29<^H>Hurray! :)
14:30<illuminata>now i can go back to idling with a linode ip
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15:14<znf>London issues?
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15:20<pronto>http://arstechnica.com/ LOL
15:20<gparent>heh
15:21<Nivex>ouch
15:21<gparent>"Firefox has prevented the outdated pugin "Adobe Flash" from running on arstechnica.com
15:21<gparent>Screw you workplace, thank you Firefox.
15:21<Nivex>yes, Flash is outdated. It needs to finish dying now plz
15:23<kenyon>it's absurd how much flash is overused. you can see it if you tell firefox to ask to enable flash plugin.
15:25<Nivex>I run flashblock in firefox
15:25<Nivex>unfortunately I am addicted to a couple of Flash games
15:25<trippeh>I have youtube whitelisted for flash, so I got the music
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15:30<Peng>Wait, what's wrong with Ars Technica?
15:30<Nivex>it's rendering normally now
15:30<Nivex>a few minutes ago it was owned
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15:31<Nima_>Hi
15:32<trippeh>I'm still getting the arse security page
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15:51<PigDude>i did this a year ago but couldn't find where to do it this time around ... how can i relocate my linode from fremont to nj?
15:51<akerl>Put in a ticket
15:51<PigDude>ah ok, didn't you used to be able to do that on your own?
15:51<akerl>Nope
15:51<PigDude>hm ..
15:51<PigDude>ok
15:51<PigDude>thanks akerl
15:52<pronto>gparent: they had a yotuube video of a dualcore song
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15:54<gparent>oh which one?
15:54<pronto>https://www.youtube.com/embed/FoUWHfh733Y <-
15:54<pronto>all the things
15:54<pronto>and i'm in that music video xD
15:55<pronto>http://sprunge.us/FbcR?html heres html ars had
15:55<gparent>there was a site/dns hijack that redirected to ytcracker a few weeks ago dont remember where it was though
15:55<buhman>pronto: grey
15:56<pronto>buhman: ?
15:56<pronto>what is a color?
15:57<buhman>what is a mis-spelling
15:57<buhman>;p
15:58<buhman>there's some annoyed-sounding comment in there; I thought I'd try to pick scabs.
15:58<pronto>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey not a mis-spelling
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16:04<znf>so
16:04<znf>London issues?
16:05<Nivex>znf: status.linode.com
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16:05<znf>all my mumble members are experiencing issues :-/
16:05<znf>(ie: packet loss)
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16:07<akerl>You'd think london packets would be used to queueing
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16:09<@drussell>Laughing at that, akerl
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16:14<pronto>zing
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17:21<+linbot>New news from forum: Linode Images (beta) in Current Betas <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11180&p=65538#p65538>
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17:31<lapoueze>i have questions
17:31<dwfreed>we might have answers if you ask
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17:37<Peng>I have coffee
17:42<@rohara>I have a hat
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17:42<Peng>like on Stack Exchange, or IRL? :D
17:43<@rohara>A beautiful green hat irl.
17:47<Kyhwana>I need more coffee
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17:53<Peng>I put some mini marshmallows in my coffee and I'm waiting for them to melt instead of drinking it :(
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18:08<+linbot>New news from forum: How long to resize disk image? in General Discussion <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11479&p=65539#p65539>
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18:12<@drussell>Peng: It's difficult to drink marshmellows, so I understand :p
18:14<+linbot>New news from forum: How long to resize disk image? in General Discussion <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11479&p=65540#p65540>
18:19<+linbot>New news from linodelibrary: Linode Images <https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/linode-images>
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18:29<Talk_Abou>http://fivefx.net - True Tips for speedup your pc like you never see before.
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18:31<pronto>lawl
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20:30<keekz>are all linode DCs the same price?
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20:30<Nivex>yes
20:31<keekz>thanks Nivex!
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20:32<ezl>hello, i've previously asked and found that some of your facilities have SASE-16 Type II certs
20:32<James>Linode != AWS
20:33<James>ezl: yessum?
20:33<ezl>a vendor i'm working with is asking if there's a way to confirm/verify that fact for them
20:33<James>You would need to be put in contact with the facility by some means...
20:33<ezl>James: agreed that linode != AWS ... AWS has poopy customer service...
20:33<James>:D:D
20:33<James>keekz came in asking if all dc's were same price ;)
20:33<James>coming from AWS, that is a blessing
20:34<keekz>well.. datacenter space + network connectivity costs significantly more in some places
20:34<James>yeah
20:34<ezl>James: ah i see. i thought it was a response to me :)
20:34<keekz>what cities are the 4 US linode dcs in?
20:34<James>:D
20:35<James>keekz: Fremont, Newark, Dallas, and Atlanta
20:35<ezl>James: sorry it wasn't clear to me but are you linode staff?
20:35<James>ezl: no
20:35<ezl>ah i see
20:35<James>ezl: i would assume you'd find out the details you need in a ticket, and go from there to make your employer happy :)
20:36<ezl>fair enough -- was hoping that i could find out the process here since irc is faster than tickets
20:36<HoopyCat>ezl: a ticket will probably be faster than IRC at this specific moment in time :-)
20:36<gparent>^
20:37<HoopyCat>tickets >> all else
20:37<James>IRC is usually busier during the day
20:38<keekz>thanks James
20:39<James>Atlanta blocks some common ports
20:39<keekz>incoming or outgoing? or both?
20:39<James>(out of control of linode)
20:39<James>incoming
20:39<ezl>HoopyCat: James: thanks -- just created a ticket
20:39<ezl>:)
20:39<James>there was a list somewhere
20:39<keekz>22, 80, 443?
20:39<James>ezl: :D
20:39<James>keekz: those are allowed
20:39<ezl>fair enough. its 9:39am for me -- :P
20:39<James>:P
20:40<James>keekz: irc ports, for example
20:40<James>6667 etc
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21:27<znc>i wanted to try out linode and i realize that i really like it's scalability but my first linode is all 25,000 MB of my alloted space. is it simple to shrink it to around 5GB? it's under 1GB now but will grow, still have to install LEMP on it, wordpress, etc etc
21:28<MrPPS>if you haven't allocated all the 25,000, you are welcome to shrink you disk images - fairly simple process
21:28<akerl>znc: Why shrink it though?
21:28<MrPPS>but, if you're only building one profile with it, you might as well allocate all disk space
21:28<MrPPS>seeing as you gain no benefit to shrinking
21:28<MrPPS>(it still costs the same)
21:29<@drussell>znc: The amount (100%) is the allocation, and not the usage. You likely still have free space. To see the disk usage, you should use `df -h` on your Linode via SSH.
21:29<znc>oh duh, so 1 linode is 1 VPS?
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21:29<akerl>Yes
21:29<@drussell>znc: Correct.
21:29<znc>drussell, yeah i know how to view how much space i've used
21:29<znc>i was thinking 1 linode could be multiple VPS's
21:30<znc>i misunderstood. this is my first VPS
21:30<znc>wow, 25GB is gigantic for my needs. hmmm, there's going to be around 20GB of wasted space not being used
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21:36<zifnab>because i'm lazy and currently in a tty: is the smallest linode $10 now?
21:36<Eugene>zifnab - yuppers
21:36<zifnab>Eugene: thanks
21:36<zifnab>suprising how much shit you can get done in a tty
21:36<Eugene>znc - don't worry, the bytes won't mind being left alone ;-)
21:37<Eugene>zifnab - related: https://www.linode.com/api/utility/avail.linodeplans
21:37<HoopyCat>MFW when i archive an e-mail on one device and it takes more than 1 second for it to disappear on another device i have up
21:37<zifnab>Eugene: this box doesn't have my key
21:38<HoopyCat>i wonder if my network is horky
21:38<Nivex>horky? is that a technical term? :)
21:38<zifnab>working on a project atm that involves linode and vagrant for a potential client
21:40<HoopyCat>Nivex: my webmail windows are normally hella consistent, so it's stunning when i don't see the animation out of the corner of my eye for a noticable length of time
21:40<rsdehart>horky (adj) 1. prone to horking
21:40<James>znc: good to have free space ;)
21:40<James>its on ssd too
21:41<zifnab>ok i've been listenting to christmas music for like 10 minutes
21:42<zifnab>and i'm already tired of it
21:42<zifnab>can it be january yet
21:43<James>yeah man
21:43<James>bring on the hot cross buns
21:43<James>they usually start just after christmas here
21:43<James>cos they're SO FUCKING AWESOME
21:44<James>lol, the cd dude is hitting efnet
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21:45<@drussell>James: Cooldude? o.O
21:45<@drussell>He'll prolly be here soon enough then lol
21:45<MrPPS>his irc is still being ddos'd :P
21:46*drussell looks at MrPPS
21:46<@drussell>Hopefully not from your Linode
21:46<@drussell>;)
21:46<MrPPS>haha
21:46<MrPPS>no, it's not by me
21:46<MrPPS>I just had fun watching his chan
21:46<MrPPS>but my znc hasn't been able to connect for a few days
21:46<MrPPS>and last he complained to me was about ddos :P
21:46<MrPPS>so, by extension, I presume it's still running
21:46<@drussell>Prolly.
21:46<James>drussell: yeah
21:46<@drussell>Or he just took it down
21:47<James>drussell: efnet killed him in like 5 seconds
21:47<MrPPS>but he worked so hard drussell
21:47<MrPPS>to make it the best community
21:47<@drussell>And spam everyone? :p
21:47<MrPPS>yes
21:47<MrPPS>:P
21:47<MrPPS>community of spammeres
21:47<MrPPS>spammers, in fact
21:48<zifnab>i have to laugh every time i look at this dns zone
21:48<James>XD
21:48<zifnab>DO.NOT.CNAME.TLD.IT.BREAKS.EMAIL
21:48<zifnab>i made that mistake twice :/
21:49<znc>MrPPS, since you said znc my irc client lit up the message. lol
21:49<MrPPS>haha, sorry!
21:49<znc>i guess i need to fix my znc server
21:49<SlosHeD>i can't get sftp access for a created user :(
21:49<akerl>SlosHeD: What happens when you try to connect with SFTP?
21:49<HoopyCat>zifnab: i think breaks.email isn't registered yet
21:50<znc>MrPPS, it's not your fault. it's mine. i just recently learned of znc and set it up but still learning and i'm guessing i have some default username as znc somewhere since i've never connectetd to this server before
21:50<SlosHeD>Error 842c0000 receiving sftp packet
21:50<SlosHeD>error 842c0000 initializing sftp protocol
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21:50<akerl>SlosHeD: What are you running that's giving back that error?
21:50<zifnab>HoopyCat: haha, there's something at the end of it
21:50<zifnab>thats just an important domain, didn't want to share it
21:50<SlosHeD>well...im logged in with WSFTP Pro
21:51<SlosHeD>im logged in fine with my account.... but im trying to get another user his own access
21:51<James>zifnab: how about ALIAS it?
21:51<SlosHeD>and failing :(
21:51<akerl>SlosHeD: I'd suggest checking your server's logs
21:51<akerl>also try the command line rather than some gui; way better chance the errors will be helpful
21:52<SlosHeD>I didn't know linode had a gui?
21:52<akerl>it does not. WSFTP Pro is the gui I was talking about
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21:52<HoopyCat>i didn't know WSFTP Pro had a command line
21:52<zifnab>James: alias would work, thats actually kinda cool!
21:52<SlosHeD>oh...thats what i was wondering
21:52<SlosHeD>hehe
21:52<HoopyCat>(... it's still around?!)
21:52<zifnab>i didn't know that was a thing
21:52<James>zifnab: your nameserver needs to support it
21:53<SlosHeD>hehe
21:53<zifnab>James: does cloudflare?
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21:53<znc>anyone in here use linode as a poor mans CDN?
21:53<akerl>To be clear: alias is not a record type
21:53<James>zifnab: Hmm, maybe
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21:53<James>yep, cloudflare supports it
21:54<zifnab>i don't see it
21:54<zifnab>unless its LOC
21:55<zifnab>also, cloudflare is saying my shitty pastebin just broke 1000 hits per month!
21:55<zifnab>uniques
21:55<Peng>no, LOC is a real record type, for specifying physical locations of stuff. :D
21:55<zifnab>thats kinda impressive i guess, seeing as it was just a 'i need somewhere to store things'
21:55<James>:O
21:55<James>you have a shitty pastebin? link
21:56<gparent>that's a lot of bots per month
21:57<znc>zifnab, awesome.
21:58<znc>i get around 3,500 hits per month on my shitty linux blog. :)
21:59<znc>im considering using linode as a CDN, is that a ridiculous idea?
21:59<zifnab>James: https://zifb.in
21:59<zifnab>its pretty shitty
22:00<Peng>znc: You should use Linode for everything :D :D
22:00<zifnab>i'm not done, i should finish it
22:00<znc>Peng, ok, is linode currently setup to easily work for a CDN?
22:00<Nivex>zifnab: I'll say. There's no AAAA record!
22:00<James>zifnab: does it work for uWSGI?
22:00<zifnab>logged in users see 'visible for' and they don't expire, i should fix it
22:00<zifnab>James: pip install uwsgi
22:00<zifnab>whatever that is
22:00<Peng>znc: Depends on how poor your "poor man's CDN" is.
22:00<James>i have uwsgi isntalled system wide
22:01<zifnab>its the same thing, just newer
22:01<James>lol
22:01<Peng>znc: Obviously you can apt-get install nginx and stick files in a directory and distribute them.
22:01<znc>Peng, my end goal is to have 3 servers in the US, 1 west, 1 central, and 1 east coast. i'd want video/audio content to be distributed to my viewers based on location
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22:01<James>\o/
22:01<zifnab>hint: geodns does wonders
22:01<James>^
22:01<znc>Peng, yes, that's what i was thinking. using nginx and nginx w/ rtmp module
22:01<James>zifnab: the readme is empty
22:02<James>how install
22:02<Peng>znc: That'll require some work... Linode doesn't provide a turnkey geoDNS thing, so you'll have to outsource it or run your own.
22:02<zifnab>James: er, one sec
22:02<znc>is linode a scalable solution if i wanted to add another server to the CDN?
22:02<Peng>znc: Yes.
22:02<zifnab>James: cat run.sh?
22:02<James>oh nice
22:02<James>it does come with config for uwsgi
22:02<James>\o/
22:02<Peng>Actually, in this case, you don't really need the DNS layer to do geo. You can do it via your web server.
22:03<James>Peng: probs why he mentioned rtmp module ;)
22:03<James>nginx does geo on itself
22:03<SlosHeD>i feel dumb because this is not working
22:03<James>i feel smarter cos SlosHeD feels dumb
22:04<SlosHeD>:)
22:04<James>:)
22:04<James>(:
22:04<SlosHeD>I will admit this is new...but i want to learn it
22:05<SlosHeD>I've been using shells since 1993.... but this is the first time I've actually had to run the whole thing
22:05<zifnab>James: readme added
22:05<Peng>Question: How would you do the geo part? MaxMind's GeoLite is only country-level, not region-of-country-level.
22:05<James>\oo/
22:05<James>(yes, two heads)
22:05<zifnab>ad uwsgi is now in requirements.txt
22:05<rails>use GeoLite-City
22:05<rails>;)
22:05<zifnab>i saw it as a butt and legs?
22:06<James>lol
22:06<James>rails: this a thing?
22:06<Peng>rails: That's a thing? For free?
22:06<zifnab>James: i keep meaning to bring my rpi to our datacenter and giving it a public IP
22:06<rails>http://img.suspectit.com.au/877ab22328fd362ec7a0e718f348710d-1.png
22:06<James>:O
22:06<zifnab>i don't think anyone would notice
22:06<zifnab>but zifb.in would run on it well
22:07<James>:)
22:07<rails>http://dev.maxmind.com/geoip/legacy/geolite/
22:08<SlosHeD>hrm
22:08<SlosHeD>this is new
22:08<James>rails: http://dev.maxmind.com/geoip/geoip2/geolite2/
22:08<James>err, SlosHeD
22:08<James>GeoLite2 City
22:08<SlosHeD>now my skyblock server has been "Killed"
22:08<James>ha
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22:11<Peng>I wonder how accurate the free City database is. :\
22:11<Peng>Basic whois-based geolocation tends to be really awful at cities.
22:11<zifnab>seeing as my rdns thinks i'm in colorado
22:11<zifnab>its not evne the right state
22:11<zifnab>well, rdns is wrong so ISPs fault
22:12<Peng>My current rDNS doesn't forward-confirm :(
22:12<zifnab>:(
22:13<Peng>https://www.maxmind.com/en/geoip2-city-accuracy?country=United+States&resolution=50 <- ha
22:13<zifnab>host-IP.stn-co.client.bresnan.net.
22:13<zifnab>hint: bresnan hasn't been around for about 5 years now
22:14<zifnab>you know, close enough
22:15<zifnab>thats 75% of traffic going to the correct load balancer
22:15<James>yup
22:15<Peng>znc: BTW, I question how worthwhile your plan is.
22:16<znc>Peng, oh?
22:16<Peng>znc: A homegrown CDN with three locations, just in the US...
22:16<zifnab>ug
22:17<zifnab>edgemax update broke my scripts
22:17<znc>Peng, whats wrong with that?>
22:17<akerl>Peng: To be fair, a post office that only delivers to one house is still a post office, even if it's a sad one
22:17<znc>Peng, i'd love any constructive feedback about my end goal.
22:17<Peng>akerl: znc: Sure, I'm just not sure it's worth the effort.
22:17<zifnab>returns 'x.y.z.q/24u' for some reason
22:17<znc>Peng, i'm totally new and i'm just trying to think big from the start
22:17<akerl>znc: What is the goal of a CDN?
22:17<zifnab>Peng: there's a post office near my house that doesn't deliver mail to anyone in town
22:17<Peng>znc: Well, "thinking big" would be a $100,000/month contract with Akamai. ;-D
22:18<zifnab>drop shit off, they'll stamp it saying it was sent on $date (manually)
22:18<zifnab>it won't actually go out for 2-3 days
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22:18<zifnab>hella-useful if you have a bill due that cares about sent date, but doesn't care about recv date (like my rent)
22:20<znc>Peng, yeah, that's what twitch.tv does now. lkol
22:20<zifnab>aws
22:21<Peng>znc: I dunno... If you're doing something small, a bill from a real CDN like CloudFront or Rackspace Cloud Files will be cheap -- cheaper than the hourly fee of you setting something up yourself. And as a bonus, it'll be much better service, with dozens of worldwide locations.
22:22<Peng>znc: If you're doing something big, well, you'll probably want to shell out the bucks for a real CDN anyway.
22:22<znc>Peng, ok, thank you for the feedback. i get it now. my website is tiny currently but i have big ambitions and wanted to at least consider scalability from the start
22:23<Peng>Well, a professional CDN service like CloudFront will certainly scale -- especially hte bill. :D
22:23<znc>lol, ok
22:23<akerl>znc: Why not do that by ensuring that static content is served by a separate vhost on the same server, and then one day you'll need to scale that off onto its own server, and then onto multiple servers, and then to a CDN?
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22:24<Peng>How useful is a CDN with 3 US locations, performance-wise? Obviously, performance will suck for international users. For US users, is three locations much faster than one central location?
22:24<Peng>I'm asking -- I don't know
22:25<HoopyCat>don't worry about the box until you've got an order to ship: http://www.shitexpress.com/blog/how-we-earned-10120-usd-in-30-days-by-sending-horse-poop-to-people-amazing-kickstart-of-a-marketing-experiment/ (alternatively, don't buy new horses until you've run out of shit)
22:25<akerl>Peng: I feel like the answer depends on the content
22:25<Peng>Average(tm) Cat Videos
22:25<akerl>If it's some JS: probably not. If it's the entire Game Of Thrones series, legally broadcast to only the finest in moral and upstanding Muricans? probably
22:25<Peng>and Cat Audio
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22:26<znc>akerl, Peng the content will be h264/aac video
22:26<zifnab>vbash -ic "show interfaces" | grep eth0 | awk '{print $2}' | rev | cut -c 4- | rev
22:26<znc>both VOD and live.
22:26<zifnab>that ending
22:26<akerl>zifnab: Looks solid to me
22:26<zifnab>i feel dirty
22:26<zifnab>akerl: yeah, but there has to be a better way
22:27<zifnab>i'm already launching awk so
22:27<akerl>Well, for starters, `awk '/eth0/ {print $2}'`
22:27<akerl>no need to grep then awk
22:27<akerl>And then I might sed rather than revcutrev
22:27<zifnab>yeah
22:27<rsdehart>the awk-fu is strong with this one
22:28<Peng>How much better off is a user in, say, Oregon if they're downloading from Fremont instead of Dallas?
22:28<akerl>Peng: About *this much* better
22:28<Peng>If you really want awesome performance, use a CDN with nodes in NorCal or Seattle.
22:28<zifnab>akerl: '/eth0/ {print substr($2, 0, length($2) -3) }'
22:28<zifnab>would work too
22:28<Peng>akerl: :D
22:28<akerl>zifnab: oooooh
22:28<HoopyCat>and will they notice, since it's buffery video and therefore not incredibly realtimey?
22:29<akerl>zifnab: I generally end up doing the pipe way because I'm too lazy to think hard about awk
22:29<zifnab>same
22:29<akerl>If it needs to look elegant, it ought ot be a script :P
22:29<zifnab>rev cut rev works
22:29<zifnab>it is!
22:29<zifnab>but i don't care, its a dynamic dns update on my edgerouter
22:29<akerl>Heh
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22:29<zifnab>need to add tunnelbroker support
22:30<HoopyCat>main reasons to CDNify video is to cut down on your costs, despite all that fluff about "ensuring your video is awesome!" you get from the blags of the big guys
22:30<Peng>HoopyCat: says someone whio doesn't live in South Africa
22:30<HoopyCat>Peng: true. does netflix have a presence there? :-)
22:32<HoopyCat>ugh, i've got a playlist goin' that is making it difficult to stop the music and go to bed
22:32<HoopyCat>you can't just stop Another Brick In The Wall pt 2
22:33<zifnab>sleep is for the weak
22:33<zifnab>need to make it through part 8
22:33<Nivex>guess I'm weak... Zzzzzz
22:36<Peng>sleep is for those interested in health
22:37<zifnab>yeah i need to actually sleep tonight
22:37<Nivex>Peng++
22:37<zifnab>only got 4 hours last night
22:37<zifnab>too busy bugging James about australia being under attack
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22:38<Peng><- not interested in health
22:38<zifnab>i should be
22:38<Peng>but are oyu?
22:38<zifnab>after the last time i got a camera stuck up my ass, a little bit
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22:39<zifnab>seeing as i have to do that again in january, yes
22:39<gparent>will there be a stream
22:39<zifnab>i hope not
22:39<gparent>perhaps VoDs?
22:40<gparent>maybe a podcast about the event?
22:40<zifnab>while we're on the topic
22:40<zifnab>colonoscopy is not bad, they knock you out
22:40<zifnab>sigmoidoscopy sucks ass, they don't knock you out
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22:42<James>got my n5
22:42<James>time to put cm om it
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22:50<znc>i don't wnat any buffering. lol i'm going to be using webM and html5
22:51<znc>the whole reason i'm going to host my own content instead of using twitch is because twitch's player sucks ballz!
22:51<akerl>"good luck"
22:52<znc>i really want to use vp9 and webM, cause that 50% reduction in bandwidth and filesize
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22:59<James>could do it through cloudflare too
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23:02<trippeh>I dont see much difference in buffering even half way around the globe
23:02<trippeh>but then again my isp got decent transit
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23:06<znc>trippeh, yeah i hear ya. basically twitch.tv only fed's non-partnered channels from their san fran server so if you're a viewer and have a shitty connection to san fran, then you'll get a ton of buffering
23:06<+linbot>New news from forum: Virtualization or Virtual Box in General Discussion <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11480&p=65541#p65541>
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23:11<trippeh>aww, i'm only getting 3-400Mbps from the other side today
23:11<trippeh>bad day ;)
23:12<SlosHeD>which would you recommend? brand java or open?
23:12<akerl>Jython
23:12<SlosHeD>(for spigot)
23:13<gparent>hm, interesting znc
23:14<zifnab>SlosHeD: if you're talking minecraft, openw orks just fine
23:14<zifnab>akerl: bad you
23:14<SlosHeD>ty :)
23:14<zifnab>akerl: we tried that once
23:14<zifnab>akerl: https://github.com/JunctionAt/Omneity https://github.com/hansihe/Python-Plugin-Loader
23:15<zifnab>long story short: its more work than is needed
23:15<znc>gparent, yeah. it sucks and i want to possibly not use twitch if i can do it affordably
23:16<zifnab>youtube!
23:16<zifnab>seriously give google all your data
23:16<zifnab>its a great idea
23:16<zifnab>especially when they start showing you ads for something you were lookingat incognito, or an email you recieved for something you purchased in IE
23:16<James>\o/
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23:19<znc>zifnab, another reason i'm considering hosting my own vp8 webM content.
23:19<znc>but i really want vp9 or hvec!
23:19<znc>the industry needs to get off their ass and implement it already
23:19<Peng>I can understand running your own video service, but that doesn't mean it's not a good idea to outsource your CDN.
23:20<Zigara>anyone here running OSSEC?
23:20<Zigara>or tripwire
23:20<znc>i get that, just trying to save some money but as you said the time and admin'ing it may be too time consuming
23:21<zifnab>Zigara: i have ossec on a few servers at work, i hate it
23:21<Zigara>zifnab: any issues?
23:21<znc>Zigara, i used to use tripwire in ubuntu yes
23:21<zifnab>Zigara: too many false positives
23:22<Zigara>ahh damn
23:22<znc>it was dead simple to setup if i recall. that was in ubuntu anyway
23:22<zifnab>it doesn't like our logging server
23:22<zifnab>thats about it
23:22<Zigara>trying to decide between tripwire and ossec, never used either
23:22<zifnab>(for some reason getting outside syslog messages, it freaks out)
23:22<Zigara>interesting
23:23<zifnab>i didn't set it up though, last company who ran this network did
23:23<zifnab>(who i also worked for, they were idiots :/)
23:23<gparent>isn't ossec a whole bigger beast than tripwire
23:23<gparent>like tripwire and then some
23:28<Zigara>seems so
23:29<zifnab>https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=79qqhX8Vxc0
23:35<znc>buwahahaha
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23:36<Nivex>later that night, those humans had their faces scratched off
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23:38<@caker>heh
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23:40<+linbot>New news from forum: 40 Available Package Updates! in Performance and Tuning <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11481&p=65542#p65542>
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23:43<Peng>Off-topic poll: I have a crappy old Linksys router that doesn't support FOSS firmware. Do you think I should leave it running the out-of-date, terrible firmware or upgrade to the newer, post-bought-by-Belkin, terrible firmware?
23:43<Peng>Probably Belkin didn't bother to make hte firmware worse, but who knows.
23:43<Nivex>upgrade it to the latest manufacturer firmware then sell it cheap
23:44<Peng>It's probably not worth the gas/mail money. :P
23:44<Nivex>turn off all the DHCP features and use it as a fill-in AP ?
23:44<Peng>The changelog says the new firmware fixes security vulnerabilities, but it probably has a thousand other ones anyway.
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23:49<Peng>And if it doesn't, NSA will probably intercept the unauthenticated-HTTP download and add some. ;-)
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23:53<rsdehart>Belkin acquired Linksys from Cisco?
23:54<Peng>Yeah.
23:54<Peng>In... January?
23:54<rsdehart>I probably heard about this
23:54<rsdehart>hmm
23:54<Peng>No, like March 2013.
23:54<Peng>I only found out recently. :-\
23:54<Peng>It probably explains why I'd noticed support.cisco.com redirecting to support.linksys.com months earlier.
23:55<trippeh>my AP gets updates all the time. With actual changes and full, descriptive changelogs
23:56<Peng>Belkin or Linksys?
23:57<trippeh>Ubiquiti
23:57<Peng>I have a vague memory that I'd avoided Belkin products because I'd heard they sucked. Making me less than happy about hte Linksys thing. :-\
23:58<trippeh>aka ubnt.com
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