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| 00:26 | <synapt> | I can't recall if I asked this in here yet or not, but I figure there are some tech-saavy cPanel users in here. Any of you manage to get PHP-FPM+Apache working without a ton of effort under cPanel? And/or also got SPDY with apache working under cPanel? |
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| 00:32 | <nick> | where to find sub-domain configuration?/ |
| 00:32 | <nick> | please help me. |
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| 00:37 | <priti> | where to find sub-domain configuration? |
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| 01:07 | <zifnab> | synapt: does 'tech-saavy' and 'cpanel' ever go together? |
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| 02:40 | <raghu_> | i have load balancer question - it supports 10000 concurrent connection for it to support 100000 concurrent connection do i have to add it 10 times? |
| 02:40 | <Peng> | You'd have to get 10 NodeBalancers, yes. |
| 02:41 | <Peng> | And use DNS so you can load balance your load balancers. |
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| 02:43 | <Trinity> | can someone please direct me towards the right phrases to ask? I downloaded an httpserver and it's supposed to be an API for ActiveTick. I ran the executable and I get basically default details. What am i doing wrong? |
| 02:43 | <raghu_> | in my account do i have option to add 10 times? |
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| 02:45 | <Peng> | raghu_: probably? |
| 02:46 | <raghu_> | thanks peng |
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| 02:50 | <Peng> | :X |
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| 04:12 | <mrpoundsign> | hello everyone :) |
| 04:13 | <mrpoundsign> | so running into a small issue -- I can't seem to get IPV6 to work on my ubuntu linodes. It's been a problem for quite a while but I haven't had a chance to look into it until now. They're set to DHCP, and I am not seeing anything in UFW logs about anything being blocked. The problem persists even if I disable ufw. |
| 04:15 | <AlexC_> | mrpoundsign: You don't use DHCP with IPv6 |
| 04:16 | <AlexC_> | mrpoundsign: https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/native-ipv6-networking may help you |
| 04:16 | <mrpoundsign> | it seem to be trying to use it. |
| 04:17 | <mrpoundsign> | like with apt-get update, it's trying to use ipv6 addresses. It also seems to have the ipv6 address shown in the manager. |
| 04:18 | <Peng> | IPv6 is supposed to work automagically via autoconfiguration, similar to a lightweight magical DHCP. |
| 04:18 | <mrpoundsign> | $ ifconfig eth0 | grep 2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedb:3f5c inet6 addr: 2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedb:3f5c/64 Scope:Global |
| 04:19 | <Peng> | Pastebin `ip -6 a`, `ip -6 r`, `ip6tables-save` and... |
| 04:19 | <Peng> | `sysctl -a | egrep 'accept_ra|autoconf|forwarding|use_tempaddr'` |
| 04:20 | <mrpoundsign> | http://pastebin.com/kJpVQDw6 |
| 04:21 | <Peng> | oogh |
| 04:22 | <Peng> | mrpoundsign: Okay, your system is configured to automatically bring up temporary privacy addresses. Linode's network doesn't let you use IPs that aren't yours, so everything dies. |
| 04:22 | <Peng> | mrpoundsign: Check /etc/sysctl.d/10-ipv6-privacy.conf |
| 04:23 | <mrpoundsign> | aah set them to 0 instead of 2? |
| 04:25 | <Peng> | Yes. |
| 04:25 | <mrpoundsign> | Trying it now. I am hopeful. Thanks! :) |
| 04:26 | <mrpoundsign> | that was it, thanks so much! |
| 04:28 | <Peng> | :) |
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| 04:35 | <mrpoundsign> | Peng, thanks so much. Have a great night, everyone! |
| 04:35 | <mrpoundsign> | and thank you Alex_C for trying to help as well! |
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| 05:09 | <trippeh_> | d |
| 05:09 | <trippeh_> | gah. |
| 05:10 | <Peng> | :d |
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| 05:59 | <Aneesh_> | hi |
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| 06:36 | * | sara slaps nb around a bit with a large fishbot |
| 06:36 | <Peng> | Please don't do that. |
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| 06:40 | <Yaakov> | I LOVE YOU ALL WITH A GREAT HUGE LOVE |
| 06:40 | <Peng> | LOVE |
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| 06:40 | <Yaakov> | <3 |
| 06:41 | <Yaakov> | Ugh. Zenoss and Logstash are my immediate future. |
| 06:41 | <Yaakov> | I... need more staff. |
| 06:48 | <kuzetsa> | hmm |
| 06:48 | <kuzetsa> | I'm probably not a good sysadmin |
| 06:49 | <kuzetsa> | if this was still going on (2 weeks after the fact) I think something bad would've occured by now |
| 06:49 | <kuzetsa> | http://i.imgur.com/GZjIqQt.png <<< did anyone else get DoS'd or otherwise large network spike for new years a few weeks ago? |
| 06:50 | <kuzetsa> | I only just noticed my email [quote] "Your Linode, yurizoku_tk, has exceeded the notification threshold (15) for inbound traffic rate by averaging 119.08 Mb/s for the last 2 hours." <<< Thu, 01 Jan 2015 06:15:26 -0800 (PST) |
| 06:54 | <Peng> | Do you have a vague memory of torrenting something big? |
| 06:55 | <kuzetsa> | Peng: I do not have any torrent-related packages on my linode |
| 06:55 | <kuzetsa> | never have |
| 06:56 | <kuzetsa> | hmm |
| 06:56 | <kuzetsa> | maybe my boyfriend's little sister was up to something funny |
| 06:57 | <kuzetsa> | she has a shell account on my linode now to do ssh-type port forwarding and such because her college's wifi has bizzare filtering policies which block, of all the weird things, research tools like google scholar and various sites which are useful for college students |
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| 06:58 | <kuzetsa> | though I can't imagine what she could've possibly needed 120 Mb/s (average rate over 2 hours) |
| 06:58 | <Peng> | 6 Mbps outbound at the time too. |
| 06:58 | <kuzetsa> | nod |
| 06:59 | <kuzetsa> | uhg |
| 06:59 | <kuzetsa> | I sure hope it wasn't a weird-ass worm or something which fetches its payload via bittorrent or similar :( |
| 07:00 | * | Peng nods |
| 07:00 | <kuzetsa> | [repeat / quote] "did anyone else get DoS'd or otherwise large network spike for new years a few weeks ago?" |
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| 07:01 | <Peng> | I didn't, but that doesn't mean much. |
| 07:01 | <kuzetsa> | I'm inclined to think it was some joker trying to do either NTP or DNS reflection (or some other reflection) and just happened to try using my linode in their VERY IMPORTANT!!!! efforts to waste people's time and resources |
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| 07:02 | <kuzetsa> | last audit I did there aren't any active reflection exploits in anything I have running, but I'll probably check more carefully before the end of Q1 2015 |
| 07:02 | <Peng> | Well, you weren't doing so much in the way of *outbound* traffic. |
| 07:02 | <AlexC_> | I sat there pressing F5 ... sorry bro |
| 07:03 | <kuzetsa> | Peng: indeed. hence my wording "[...] TRYING to do [...] reflection" |
| 07:05 | <kuzetsa> | AlexC_: your joke had me giving the screen a funny look for a minute, 'cause I'm pretty sure a flood of http requests would've had more outbound than inbound. |
| 07:06 | <Peng> | Maybe AlexC_ was POSTing something |
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| 07:11 | <Peng> | A two-hour average of 100 Mbps likely means you really got a much larger amount of traffic briefly, no? |
| 07:11 | <Peng> | 120* |
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| 07:18 | <koodit> | hi everyone :) |
| 07:18 | <koodit> | anyone from the help desk is online? :( |
| 07:18 | <koodit> | :) |
| 07:19 | <koodit> | i have some questions about dns configurations |
| 07:19 | <AlexC_> | koodit: This is community support, not official, but ask away |
| 07:19 | <koodit> | yeah i know that but im not really good on dns configurations |
| 07:20 | <Cromulent> | koodit: I'm sure someone here will be able to help |
| 07:21 | <AlexC_> | The Linode chat page should really mention that this is community support, not official. A lot of folk recently come in expecting to be a "live sales person" type of support, or so it seems |
| 07:21 | <koodit> | i bought a domain on godaddy and what im trying to do is to point the domain to the webserver on my linode, i added a domain zone and the domain works good but since then the email service stopped, whats the right way to point the domain to the linode machine and keep my emails on godaddy? |
| 07:22 | <koodit> | I know that wrong informations could lead to problems obviously but i was looking more for a suggestion than a fix to a problem :) |
| 07:22 | <AlexC_> | koodit: Simply set the DNS A records to be the IPv4 address of your Linode |
| 07:22 | <koodit> | dont i have to change my dns to ns1.linode.com ecc? |
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| 07:22 | <AlexC_> | koodit: No, you only need to do what if you want to use Linode DNS service. Which I would suggest you do, as it's a great service |
| 07:23 | <koodit> | ok, but then how wold i keep my emails working on godaddy? |
| 07:23 | <AlexC_> | koodit: Keep/configure the MX record so that point to GoDaddy |
| 07:24 | <jimgroome> | koodit: Sounds like you set the nameserves to Linode, which is what it tells you to do in the documentation |
| 07:24 | <koodit> | yeah exactly+ |
| 07:24 | <AlexC_> | Your domain registrar, nameservers that you use, and server, are all separate. You could have your domain registered with GoDaddy, your nameservers with Company X and your server with Linode |
| 07:24 | <AlexC_> | koodit: What is your domain? |
| 07:25 | <jimgroome> | What I'd do: Log in to the Godaddy DNS panel and see if it's kept the (now overridden) MX records. Then log in to Linode's DNS manager and set the MX records to what they were on Godaddy |
| 07:25 | <koodit> | my domain is tecnoserramentisrl.com |
| 07:25 | <AlexC_> | jimgroome: He's not using Linode DNS |
| 07:26 | <AlexC_> | koodit: You have 2 options. Keep using the nameservers you're using, and edit the DNS records there. Or use ns[1-5].linode.com and use Linode DNS |
| 07:26 | * | jimgroome shuts up |
| 07:28 | <koodit> | this looks more clear now, so basically the options are [Godaddy Domain with A record to Linode IP] and [Godaddy domain with NS records to Linode Dns + Linode Dns Mx record to godaddy |
| 07:28 | <koodit> | right? |
| 07:29 | <AlexC_> | Correct |
| 07:29 | <AlexC_> | Which ever solution you pick, the DNS records would be the same |
| 07:32 | <koodit> | ill try, thanks for your help guys, much appreciated |
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| 07:46 | <Issa> | Hello |
| 07:46 | <Issa> | where is your data center? |
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| 07:47 | <Cromulent> | Issa: 3 in the US 1 in the UK and 1 in Japan |
| 07:47 | <AlexC_> | Issa: https://www.linode.com/speedtest - 6 to choose from |
| 07:47 | <AlexC_> | s/3/4/ |
| 07:47 | <Cromulent> | ah |
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| 08:06 | <Issa> | siorry |
| 08:06 | <Issa> | sorry |
| 08:07 | <Issa> | where is your data center? |
| 08:07 | <Issa> | I need to take vps do you have any discount? |
| 08:08 | <Issa> | Do you have one in Amsterdam? |
| 08:08 | <Peng> | No, but it is in London. |
| 08:09 | <Peng> | One of them is, anyway. |
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| 08:09 | <Peng> | Issa: AlexC_'s link above lists the locations. https://www.linode.com/speedtest |
| 08:10 | <Issa> | ($40/mo) |
| 08:10 | <Issa> | is the money always $ |
| 08:10 | <Issa> | ? |
| 08:10 | <Peng> | Yes. |
| 08:10 | <Issa> | do you have VAT on top or it's including? |
| 08:11 | <Peng> | No VAT. |
| 08:11 | <Issa> | how about the backup? |
| 08:12 | <Issa> | I want to use for small open source search engine |
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| 08:12 | <Peng> | What about it? |
| 08:13 | <Issa> | 500 Mbit Network Out |
| 08:13 | <Issa> | what does this mean? |
| 08:13 | <Peng> | bandwidth |
| 08:13 | <Peng> | outbound |
| 08:13 | <Issa> | most of the cloud are 1GB |
| 08:14 | <Issa> | why your's is 500MB? |
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| 08:14 | <Peng> | Linode runs a better network than most of them. |
| 08:14 | <Issa> | OK |
| 08:15 | <Peng> | So Linode offers real quotas instead of saying "We put you on an overloaded 1 gigabit network". |
| 08:15 | <Issa> | so it that means you are fair on bandwidth |
| 08:15 | <Issa> | ? |
| 08:15 | <Peng> | Fair? |
| 08:15 | <Issa> | https://www.digitalocean.com/pricing/ |
| 08:16 | <Issa> | are your competitors but I need more ssd space |
| 08:18 | <Issa> | what is the uptime ? |
| 08:18 | <Issa> | can I use for a web hosting |
| 08:18 | <Peng> | very good |
| 08:18 | <Issa> | ? |
| 08:18 | <Peng> | yes |
| 08:18 | <Issa> | how about the backup? |
| 08:18 | <Peng> | What about it? |
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| 08:19 | <Issa> | is there a daily backup that I can recover in case of disaster |
| 08:19 | <Issa> | ? |
| 08:19 | <Peng> | Yes, but it's a separate service that costs extra. |
| 08:19 | <Issa> | How much ? |
| 08:20 | <Peng> | It costs a quarter as much as your VPS does. So for the $40/month VPS, for example, the backup service is another $10/month. |
| 08:20 | <Peng> | I point out that you should also have off-site backups for disaster recovery anyway. |
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| 08:21 | <Issa> | how much that will cost ? |
| 08:21 | <Issa> | off-site |
| 08:21 | <Peng> | That's up to you. |
| 08:21 | <Peng> | I mean using an external, non-Linode backup service. |
| 08:22 | <Peng> | Well, you could *also* arrange some sort of backups in another Linode data center. |
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| 08:28 | <buhman> | heh, never realized DO's disk space doesn't increase geometrically with price. |
| 08:28 | <Peng> | Me neither. 20 GB for $5 is pretty nice though. |
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| 08:30 | <pronto> | i've heard some pretty bad reliability issues with DO (...from NOT linode elitists/fanpeople) |
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| 10:45 | <KamiNuvini> | Has anyone here used a custom kernel with pv-grub? I used this: https://www.linode.com/docs/tools-reference/custom-kernels-distros/run-a-custom-compiled-kernel-with-pvgrub but also needed the kernel headers so I added make kernel_headers as well and rebooted, however kernel headers are stil not found. Is there anything else required? |
| 10:45 | <KamiNuvini> | I need it for r1soft/idera |
| 10:49 | <buhman> | the issue could be anything from the kernel headers not existing to the running kernel version not matching the kernel headers, to the build system looking in the wrong place |
| 10:49 | <buhman> | without more context and/or output that demonstrates your exact issue, one could only guess. |
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| 11:31 | <Roeland> | heya! is there a way to download one of my linode backups? |
| 11:32 | <hawk> | Afaik you need to restore it somewhere first, then you can download it from there. |
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| 11:32 | <Roeland> | theres no way to pull it from the web gui? |
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| 11:33 | <Roeland> | when you say restore it first.. how would i download the actual backup? |
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| 11:35 | <Peng> | After restoring it to a node, download it however you like. |
| 11:36 | <Peng> | Booting up rescue mode and using dd or rsync are simple options. |
| 11:38 | <synapt> | zifnab: I assume I'm hardly the only one in a system administration position where cpanel usage is enforced in case I'm ever gone and they want to keep it simple for future people who may not be as good :P |
| 11:41 | <@rohara> | synapt: I haven't gotten PHP-FPM working properly on a cPanel system. I recommend against it. EasyApache won't play well with it. |
| 11:43 | <synapt> | rohara: Ner |
| 11:43 | <synapt> | I like how I'm supposed to implement more performant things to this box but I'm limited by the one thing we have to keep, lol |
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| 11:49 | <@rohara> | Use a different server and change the DNS...they'll never notice! |
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| 12:06 | <trippeh_> | ahh. consumer protection laws: a "assissin for hire" was just fined by a court for not doing a murder he got paid to do. eg committing fraud. |
| 12:06 | <Meyer^> | excellent |
| 12:07 | <buhman> | wat |
| 12:07 | <buhman> | trippeh_: link |
| 12:07 | <trippeh_> | http://www.varden.no/nyheter/leiemorder-21-fikk-bot-for-a-ikke-drepe-1.1366443 ;) |
| 12:09 | <buhman> | YES |
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| 12:10 | <synapt> | That actually sounds like a great career choice |
| 12:10 | <synapt> | he got 60k to do the kill, and only had to pay a 10k fine for not doing it? |
| 12:10 | <buhman> | yep |
| 12:11 | <synapt> | 50k in the pocket while the original dude gets 2 years |
| 12:11 | <synapt> | shit I'm about to move there and start doing that |
| 12:11 | <synapt> | lol |
| 12:12 | <@rohara> | I bet his reaction will be awesome when the contractor gets out of prison in two years. |
| 12:12 | <synapt> | dude will probably be gone after screwing a few more people out of 60k :P |
| 12:12 | <synapt> | off to some nice island country |
| 12:13 | <Nivex> | doubt he can pull that off twice. his name will be pretty well known |
| 12:14 | <synapt> | I imagine 50k can get you a different name :P |
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| 12:22 | <zifnab> | synapt: my assumption is that they'd hire someone equally competent if you ever leave |
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| 12:22 | <zifnab> | and if not, fuck em |
| 12:24 | <+linbot> | New news from forum: Traffic between nodes in Linux Networking <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11531&p=65799#p65799> |
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| 12:55 | <zifnab> | akerl: any idea why ctrl+aaa won't work on xen 4.4? |
| 12:57 | <akerl> | What tty are you on? |
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| 12:58 | <zifnab> | 1 |
| 12:59 | <akerl> | Interesting. and you do ctrl-a ctrl-a ctrl-a and nothing happens? |
| 12:59 | <zifnab> | yup |
| 12:59 | <@rohara> | zifnab: is it accepting input at all? |
| 12:59 | <zifnab> | rohara: yeah, i'm working on shit in tty1 |
| 13:00 | <akerl> | idk if there's a config that says "only do this on certain ttys" |
| 13:02 | <zifnab> | i can't even find any documentation talking about that feature |
| 13:02 | <zifnab> | what's it called? |
| 13:02 | <akerl> | Heh, one sec |
| 13:02 | <@rohara> | zifnab: http://wiki.xen.org/wiki/Xen_Serial_Console |
| 13:03 | <zifnab> | rohara: thanks |
| 13:03 | <@rohara> | :) |
| 13:04 | <akerl> | http://xenbits.xenproject.org/docs/unstable/misc/xen-command-line.html also, conswitch |
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| 13:06 | <Yaakov> | I hate computers and everything about them. |
| 13:07 | <MotoHoss> | so the ipv6 addy in the remote access tab do I just add that address verbatim to the eth0 interface with the ip command... (and to make it permanent put it in the interfaces file)?? using the linode docs -https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/native-ipv6-networking#ubuntu--debian |
| 13:09 | <zifnab> | akerl: its definitely enabled, 'xl dmesg' shows 'Type ctrl-a three times to switch input to xen' |
| 13:09 | <akerl> | Heh |
| 13:10 | <akerl> | I feel like the secret is the serial input bit, then |
| 13:11 | <zifnab> | yeah i guess, wonder if i can fake a serial device |
| 13:12 | <akerl> | Could just loop it? |
| 13:12 | <zifnab> | i'm demoing something on an thinkcenter, lack of any real ports |
| 13:12 | <akerl> | attach to /dev/ttySO? |
| 13:12 | <akerl> | screen should know how |
| 13:14 | <zifnab> | cool, now to just actually set it up to use that serial |
| 13:16 | <MotoHoss> | one confusing thing I have is one of my nodes ahs nothing ipv6 related in the interfaces file and the one I am attempting to configure... the ip acommand says there is no 'global' scope v6 address. :( |
| 13:16 | <akerl> | Hm? |
| 13:17 | <akerl> | These are two Linodes? |
| 13:17 | <synapt> | I know this might be an odd question to ask #linode but, anyone have any remote-desktop software suggestions that are entirely local-based (ie; not teamviewer like), and can be multi-platform? :P |
| 13:17 | <MotoHoss> | yeppers. |
| 13:17 | <MotoHoss> | two linodes. |
| 13:17 | <akerl> | So one of them has working IPv6 but nothing about v6 in the network config files, yes? |
| 13:17 | <MotoHoss> | nothing n the interfaces file that I can see.... |
| 13:18 | <akerl> | Ignore that one for now. On the one that isn't working, run `iptables6-save`, `ip -6 addr`, `ip -6 route`, and `sysctl -a | grep ipv6` and pastebin them |
| 13:18 | <zifnab> | akerl: i can get to it through xl: 'xl debug-keys' followed by 'xl dmesg' |
| 13:18 | <zifnab> | this works for now, thanks |
| 13:18 | <akerl> | Yea, that works too |
| 13:18 | <akerl> | Warning: some of those keys have *lots* of output |
| 13:18 | <akerl> | like spam for days output |
| 13:19 | <zifnab> | haha |
| 13:19 | <zifnab> | i'm not sure *why* i wanted this |
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| 13:22 | <zifnab> | mostly 'knowledge isn't useless and it will rpobably be handy some day' |
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| 13:25 | <nthint> | Hello, is it appropriate to ask a couple questions about migrating from shared hosting to Linode here? |
| 13:25 | <+linbot> | hello - certainly |
| 13:28 | <nthint> | I am using a Symfony app on a shared hosting and I am connecting to it from a couple Windows VPS computers through simple GET requests to get some data from the DB. On average there are 1-2 requests sent per second each pulling one string of data from the DB. I started getting problems with shared hosting when I had a bug in my SF app that was creating cache files non stop. On shared hosting they automatically blocked the IP addresses that I was accessing f |
| 13:28 | <nthint> | I would like to ask what happens on a Linode, if I take the lowest spec? |
| 13:29 | <nthint> | I want to make sure that if such an issue happens I can work on it without having my account blocked |
| 13:29 | <nthint> | am I sharing resources with other users on Linode, hence there is a chance I will use more than I am allowed? |
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| 13:30 | <MotoHoss> | akerl : https://bpaste.net/show/3af0f323700e |
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| 13:30 | <zifnab> | your node has a cap, the 1g is limtied to 1 cpu/1gb ram |
| 13:30 | <zifnab> | you *can't* go over that |
| 13:31 | <akerl> | MotoHoss: net.ipv6.conf.all.forwarding = 1 |
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| 13:31 | <nthint> | ok, that was my concern, since it took me a week with their support to get the account running again |
| 13:31 | <MotoHoss> | oky, thanks akerl |
| 13:32 | <nthint> | if I have 3 websites, 2 WP blogs and 1 SF app, what happens if I have such an issue in my SF app? The other 2 websites will be affected? |
| 13:32 | <akerl> | MotoHoss: When you turn that on, it stops your system from accepting Router Advertisements, which are how StateLess Address AutoConfig works |
| 13:32 | <nthint> | is it possible to limit resources for this SF app while I am debugging it? |
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| 13:33 | <akerl> | nthint: You get a Linux system and root access. You're welcome to configure your sites however you want |
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| 13:33 | <MotoHoss> | I may have done that way back when... the client that node (the bad one) didn't want ipv6 and now they are gone... I had forgotten about it. |
| 13:33 | <akerl> | Heh |
| 13:34 | <zifnab> | yay legacy undocumented fixes |
| 13:34 | <nthint> | thank you, akerl. Is the lowest Linode comparable to the resources you get on an average shared hosting? |
| 13:34 | <MotoHoss> | zifnab, you mean we are supposed to take notes? |
| 13:34 | <akerl> | nthint: That's apples and oranges |
| 13:35 | * | MotoHoss ducks. |
| 13:35 | <zifnab> | MotoHoss: i'm guilty too, haha |
| 13:35 | <MotoHoss> | :) |
| 13:35 | <zifnab> | i'm still confused how my xen box is breaking RFCs |
| 13:35 | <zifnab> | https://zifb.in/tEANfd8UDk, still a major 'wut' |
| 13:36 | <zifnab> | erm, that ones fine |
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| 13:36 | <zifnab> | here we go https://zifb.in/sCixQguMwd |
| 13:36 | <zifnab> | seriously spent about an hour yesterday trying to replicate whatever network shit they have upstream, none of our cisco gear would accept it as valid |
| 13:37 | <akerl> | You're bringing up a /32? |
| 13:37 | <nthint> | well, I am not concerned about less disk space and I can have unlimited websites on Linode. I am also not concerned with traffic. Do you think 1 CPU and 1 gb ram is sufficient to run 2 WP sites with ~1000 visitors a month and that SF app that pulling data from DB a couple times a second non stop (very little data is being pulled)? |
| 13:37 | <zifnab> | akerl: it works! and thats straight from OVH's documentation |
| 13:37 | <akerl> | nthint: potato |
| 13:38 | <nthint> | akerl: which means..? should work fine? :D |
| 13:38 | <zifnab> | nthint: the real answer would be 'test it, if it doesn't work resize, test it again' |
| 13:38 | <akerl> | nthint: Benchmark it and find out. What you can do on a VPS has *way* more to do with what you are capable of (and willing to learn) |
| 13:38 | <zifnab> | ab is great if your api is just GET |
| 13:39 | <akerl> | That said, if your API is just GET... fix your API :P |
| 13:39 | <zifnab> | what i think these guys did: ip route 192.99.197.17 interface-id on cisco |
| 13:39 | <nthint> | lol, that's in the plans :D I need to pull that data now and I do not have a server-client app working yet. But that is another reason to have my own server |
| 13:39 | <zifnab> | but, our stuff drops the packets |
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| 13:42 | <zifnab> | xen is so much nicer than fighting hyper-v |
| 13:42 | <nthint> | thanks a lot akerl, zifnab. I am going to get the lowest spec today and move just my SF app there, see how it works. If everything is fine will move my 2 blogs as well and start learning :) |
| 13:42 | <zifnab> | nthint: awesome, if you need help this channel is here |
| 13:42 | <zifnab> | most of us are helpful, just don't click Eugene's links |
| 13:43 | <nthint> | yes, I try not to click any links in IRC :D |
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| 13:44 | <nthint> | ok, thanks again and have a great day everyone, I will start working on it right now. |
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| 13:49 | <zifnab> | i feel like i have to warn them |
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| 14:04 | <MotoHoss> | very nice akerl, thank ye. |
| 14:05 | <MotoHoss> | didn't even have to reboot.. |
| 14:06 | <zifnab> | dat xl |
| 14:06 | <zifnab> | or however they're doing it |
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| 14:06 | <akerl> | doing what? |
| 14:06 | <zifnab> | in place IP changes |
| 14:06 | <akerl> | ? nah, he just stopped dropping RAs and suddently got his v6 addr via SLAAC |
| 14:07 | <zifnab> | ah |
| 14:08 | <akerl> | Does openvpn do v6? |
| 14:08 | <buhman> | yes |
| 14:09 | <akerl> | hmm |
| 14:09 | <buhman> | better v6 support landed in 2.4, where they abolish the udp vs udp6 nonsense. |
| 14:09 | <akerl> | one of these days I might as well add magicvpn so containers don't have to think about what VM they're on |
| 14:14 | <zifnab> | we all know ipv6 is dead: long live ncp! |
| 14:15 | <zifnab> | you can send, you can recieve, but you can't do both |
| 14:16 | <MotoHoss> | akerl, oh yeah.. might as well rib ya while'st I can... "iptables6-save" doesn't work "ip6tables-save" does ;) |
| 14:16 | <akerl> | haha |
| 14:17 | <f00b44> | . |
| 14:18 | <f00b44> | who deals with pending accounts? |
| 14:18 | <akerl> | This is the user community |
| 14:18 | <f00b44> | support tickets only? |
| 14:18 | <f00b44> | No. This is Sparta! |
| 14:18 | * | alexf kicks akerl into a bottomless pit |
| 14:19 | <MotoHoss> | elastic support can be found here, it stretches from time to time.... |
| 14:20 | <zifnab> | and, like elastic search, its not guaranteed to ever work how you want it to! |
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| 14:22 | <MotoHoss> | no warranty expressed nor implied... except to say that one should not get on linbot's bad side. |
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| 15:15 | <okoca> | hi |
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| 15:17 | <arlen> | hi |
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| 15:18 | <okoca> | Your email address appears invalid |
| 15:18 | <okoca> | linode Create a free account refusing my mail address :)) |
| 15:19 | <okoca> | refusing yahoo mail address exacly my mean. |
| 15:20 | <arlen> | my email address is valid |
| 15:20 | <arlen> | try a different one |
| 15:21 | <PlasmaDuck> | A VPS hosting question, if your host restricts the total number of MySQL databases you can have is that truly VPS hosting? (this particular web app can't be transferred to linode as its requires window server :-( ) |
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| 15:22 | <Cromulent> | PlasmaDuck: I'd expect full admin access if I had a VPS server so they wouldn't be able to restrict you |
| 15:22 | <Cromulent> | PlasmaDuck: plus restricting the number of MySQL databases on VPS hosting is retarded |
| 15:22 | <psandin> | you can have a VPS without root, technically... but why would anyone want that |
| 15:22 | <okoca> | plasmaduck whay u see exacly db limit? |
| 15:23 | <PlasmaDuck> | That was what I though, though my knowledge is limited in this area. |
| 15:23 | <PlasmaDuck> | The host limits to 10 MySQL databases |
| 15:23 | <atrus> | PlasmaDuck: vps... but not really IaaS maybe. |
| 15:24 | * | okoca slaps PlasmaDuck around a bit with a large fishbot |
| 15:24 | * | Nivex slaps okoca around a bit with the O'Reilly Sendmail (bat) book |
| 15:25 | <dwfreed> | > sendmail |
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| 15:25 | <Nivex> | Pages: 1312 |
| 15:26 | <Cromulent> | even OpenBSD has moved away from sendmail |
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| 15:28 | <dzho> | what do they like, exim? |
| 15:28 | <Eugene> | two cups and a string |
| 15:30 | * | MotoHoss always blames sendmail |
| 15:30 | <okoca> | can buy 1000 vps account for 1hour, with 0.015 * 1000account = 15$ |
| 15:30 | <okoca> | its possible ? |
| 15:30 | <Cromulent> | dzho: OpenSMTPD |
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| 15:31 | <Jverk> | Hello! I noticed you offer 20 cores, but are they 20 core physical or with hyperthreading? |
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| 15:32 | <dwfreed> | Jverk: for any purpose, that's irrelevant |
| 15:33 | <dwfreed> | you see 20 cores; as far as your Linode is concerned, those are real cores |
| 15:33 | <Jverk> | 20 physical cores means 40 with hyperthreading |
| 15:33 | <dwfreed> | you don't get hyperthreading inside your Linode |
| 15:33 | <dwfreed> | you see 20 cores |
| 15:35 | <synapt> | I believe as far as linode allocates cores, hyperthreaded cores are allocated like normal cores |
| 15:35 | <synapt> | so those 20 cores you get may technically be HT cores |
| 15:35 | <okoca> | dwfreed what is the one core speed mhz ghz ? |
| 15:35 | <dwfreed> | okoca: 7 |
| 15:35 | <Jverk> | then can I get 40 cores? |
| 15:35 | <dwfreed> | no |
| 15:36 | <okoca> | 1core is 7ghz ur mean ? |
| 15:36 | <gparent> | dwfreed ur mean |
| 15:36 | <synapt> | 7GHz cores |
| 15:36 | <dwfreed> | okoca: the point is that the speed is irrelevant |
| 15:36 | <synapt> | god damn linode is onsome cutting edge hardware |
| 15:36 | <synapt> | :P |
| 15:37 | <dwfreed> | synapt: it's liquid helium cooled |
| 15:37 | <okoca> | so what the 1core compute power? exual to with cpu? |
| 15:38 | <gparent> | 42. |
| 15:38 | <dwfreed> | that's not something that is fixed |
| 15:38 | <dwfreed> | it depends on your workload |
| 15:39 | <okoca> | another account workloads affecting my cores ? |
| 15:39 | <dwfreed> | they can, but that is unlikely |
| 15:39 | <dwfreed> | the host only has so much CPU power, and that is shared by all Linodes on the host |
| 15:40 | <okoca> | can i buy 1000 vps account for 1hour, with 0.015 * 1000account = 15$ |
| 15:41 | <okoca> | ? |
| 15:41 | <okoca> | linode can supply this count account? |
| 15:41 | <dwfreed> | you can try; whether or not Linode has that much available capacity I do not know |
| 15:42 | <synapt> | okoca: There have to actually be 1000 available for one thing |
| 15:42 | <synapt> | personally I admit curiousity at what you need 1000 for |
| 15:43 | <okoca> | can i use it for multi thread clustering application. |
| 15:45 | <dwfreed> | you can use your Linode(s) for whatever legal purpose you want |
| 15:45 | <dwfreed> | you should read the ToS: https://www.linode.com/tos/ |
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| 15:48 | <okoca> | :)) |
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| 15:48 | <xjgrant> | Is there not a way to change my username, on Linode? |
| 15:49 | <okoca> | for example, country coury get terorist computer and encrypted files, so require to access document cracking to hash, so cracking to hash with linode accunts, not vil be any tos violation. |
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| 15:49 | <okoca> | i want to be understand what is total capacity linode service. |
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| 15:50 | <dwfreed> | xjgrant: yes, go to the account tab, users & permissions, and edit yourself |
| 15:50 | <okoca> | for this point, google cloud can more good alternation. |
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| 15:51 | <nthint> | hello, I would like to connect to my linode without a domain name, just by the IP address. How do I change where default IP points? Right now it just shows "Index of /" |
| 15:51 | <xjgrant> | dwfreed: Ah, ty! |
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| 15:55 | <akerl> | nthint: In your web server config |
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| 16:32 | <+linbot> | New news from linodelibrary: LAMP Server on CentOS 7 <https://www.linode.com/docs/websites/lamp/lamp-server-on-centos-7> |
| 16:32 | <sirpengi> | rip freenode |
| 16:34 | <Ikaros> | lol they're just rehubbing it |
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| 16:47 | <+linbot> | New news from forum: How to generate and install an SSL certificate on Linode? in General Discussion <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11507&p=65802#p65802> |
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| 17:09 | <+linbot> | New news from forum: Email Issues After Moving Domain to New Linode in Email/SMTP Related Forum <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11532&p=65803#p65803> |
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| 17:29 | <zifnab> | seeing as i already ask all my linux questions here (whether or not they're related to ilnode) |
| 17:29 | <zifnab> | lets say by some magic i have a disk thats connected to two machines, and i want to make it HA |
| 17:30 | <buhman> | GFS2 |
| 17:30 | <buhman> | !next |
| 17:30 | <zifnab> | i've gotten that far |
| 17:30 | <buhman> | go on |
| 17:30 | <zifnab> | for part two: icsci mounts from said disk |
| 17:30 | <zifnab> | in a HA fashion, so I can reboot either node and it remains up |
| 17:30 | <zifnab> | or NFS, or smb, or anything really |
| 17:30 | <zifnab> | i can do the failover ip with pacemaker |
| 17:31 | <buhman> | nfs + ip failover would be ok |
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| 17:32 | <zifnab> | doesn't nfs have some sort of state though? |
| 17:32 | <zifnab> | 'this client is connected on this port and has access to this', won't that die when the IP does its failover magic |
| 17:32 | <buhman> | yeah probably, and clients will probably hiccup |
| 17:32 | <buhman> | they should recover though |
| 17:32 | <zifnab> | if you're doing something like VMs though, that hiccup would turn into a kernel panic |
| 17:33 | <buhman> | ehh not really |
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| 17:33 | <buhman> | are the VM's doing root-on-NFS? |
| 17:34 | <zifnab> | (btw i'm not doing any of this atm outside of storage, i'm just curious) |
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| 17:34 | <zifnab> | lets say the VM is a disk image on an nfs share |
| 17:34 | <buhman> | ahh |
| 17:34 | <buhman> | and the nfs share is mounted on some 'vm execution' box, right? |
| 17:34 | <zifnab> | yeah |
| 17:34 | <zifnab> | long story short: i've been doing lots with hyper-v recently |
| 17:34 | <zifnab> | and its staying hyper-v (sadly) |
| 17:34 | <zifnab> | but i'm curious how you'd get the same thing set up in linux |
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| 17:35 | <zifnab> | we have 2 boxes on fiber channel doing storage (server 2012 r2 storage server, failover cluster + smb3.0 scale out file server), then 42 nodes connected to those via infiniband |
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| 17:35 | <zifnab> | it seems like windows/vmware have kinda 'won' this market, but i feel like it could easily be done with xen (with the right tools) |
| 17:35 | <zifnab> | or kvm, or $INSERT_VM_SOFTWARE_HERE |
| 17:37 | <buhman> | there's really no way around ip failover without the client doing something special. |
| 17:37 | <buhman> | the vm execution box should be able to recover, and the guests would just have a blip of iowait. |
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| 17:38 | <zifnab> | gotcha |
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| 17:38 | <zifnab> | its a weird market that seems to be owned by microsoft: licensing sucks ass |
| 17:39 | <zifnab> | you go with vmware, there's a 990/socket fee. you go with microsoft, no per-socket-fees, but you get hit with CALs |
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| 17:41 | <buhman> | zifnab: you could also try gluster |
| 17:41 | <dwfreed> | zifnab: or use the vmware keygen, and not pay a dime :D |
| 17:42 | <buhman> | I've never tried making the server not-replicate, but you should be able to make it work. |
| 17:42 | <buhman> | the gluster client can poll multiple servers and do the RightThing. |
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| 17:42 | <zifnab> | buhman: but then you're stuck to using linux exclusively, unless there's a windows glusterclient |
| 17:43 | <@rohara> | "Stuck" |
| 17:43 | <zifnab> | not really "stuck" |
| 17:43 | <@rohara> | *Obligatory WINE reference* |
| 17:43 | <buhman> | zifnab: glusterfsd can also export nfs mounts. |
| 17:43 | <zifnab> | oO |
| 17:43 | <zifnab> | and it looks like cifs via samba |
| 17:43 | <buhman> | mount.cifs is a little crusty though |
| 17:44 | <buhman> | whereas native windows does the right thing (using smb3 by default), samba and mount.cifs don't. |
| 17:45 | <James_T> | lol |
| 17:46 | <zifnab> | buhman: so there is the option somewhere to treat cluster as a shared-block-device-fs instead of a replicated-clustered-fs? |
| 17:46 | <buhman> | probably; rtfm ;p |
| 17:46 | <zifnab> | i am |
| 17:46 | <zifnab> | haha |
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| 17:47 | <buhman> | if I were doing this, I'd probably nuke GFS2 and split up the iscsi. |
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| 17:48 | <buhman> | on the other hand, your storage hardware can probably replicate faster than the network can. |
| 17:48 | <zifnab> | haha, 20gbit fiberchannel |
| 17:49 | <zifnab> | buhman: it actually mounts the same block device to both storage servers |
| 17:49 | <buhman> | right |
| 17:49 | <zifnab> | so its a shared block device, instead of doing some weird replication thingy |
| 17:49 | <zifnab> | replication is done via raid, which is crazy fast |
| 17:49 | <buhman> | I mean the physical disks |
| 17:49 | <buhman> | yes, that == faster than gluster probably. |
| 17:50 | <zifnab> | the issue is finding a filesystem that can deal with shared block devices |
| 17:50 | <buhman> | you said you had gfs2 going |
| 17:50 | <zifnab> | and then doing some sort of front end failover |
| 17:50 | <zifnab> | in my test stuff i'm working on it now |
| 17:50 | <zifnab> | i have it installed at least |
| 17:51 | <buhman> | oh; you're going to have a lot of fun then ;p |
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| 17:51 | <zifnab> | mostly i'm in a 'i have no work to get done, lets fuck around' mode |
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| 18:29 | <+linbot> | New news from forum: How to generate and install an SSL certificate on Linode? in General Discussion <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=11507&p=65804#p65804> |
| 18:30 | <MajObviousman> | buy some randomness |
| 18:30 | <James_T> | use havege |
| 18:30 | <James_T> | ;) |
| 18:33 | <MajObviousman> | what's a term for all the "extra" mail provider things that are expected for those running mail servers? |
| 18:33 | <MajObviousman> | like SPF records, TXT records, etc etc |
| 18:33 | <Cromulent> | MajObviousman: you mean SPF, DKIM and DMARC? |
| 18:33 | <MajObviousman> | yeah. If you had to label the equivalence class of all those things, what would it be? |
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| 18:34 | <Cromulent> | MajObviousman: email authentication - i.e making sure email from a domain is authentic |
| 18:34 | <James_T> | :) |
| 18:34 | <James_T> | SPF and DKIM don't do much without DMARC |
| 18:34 | <Cromulent> | I have my DMARC record locking down everything hard |
| 18:34 | <James_T> | :) |
| 18:35 | <James_T> | i use dmarcian |
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| 18:36 | <Cromulent> | no need to pay just use this: "v=DMARC1; p=reject; sp=reject; pct=100; adkim=s; aspf=s; fo=1; rua=mailto:dmarc@domain.com; ruf=mailto:dmarc@domain.com" |
| 18:37 | <MajObviousman> | thanks folks |
| 18:39 | <James_T> | Cromulent: I don't pay |
| 18:39 | <James_T> | Cromulent: I'm using the dmarcian free plan |
| 18:39 | <Cromulent> | oh right |
| 18:40 | <Cromulent> | I just use Google Apps for Business and read the xml my self every now and again |
| 18:40 | <James_T> | Most people stay on it, unless they're running a business that actually has email volume |
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| 18:40 | <James_T> | yeah, you can also just forward the xml's into dmarcian to make them human readable :) |
| 18:40 | <Cromulent> | so far I've never had a DMARC forensic report sent to me though |
| 18:40 | <Cromulent> | only the standard report |
| 18:40 | <James_T> | google doesn't do forensic reports |
| 18:41 | <Cromulent> | shame |
| 18:41 | <James_T> | some providers do tho |
| 18:41 | <James_T> | I do <3 dmarc tho |
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| 18:42 | <Cromulent> | yeah I have it set so that only emails sent via my google apps account or Amazon SES are accepted - also I've noticed that if you pass all tests for SPF, DKIM and DMARC your email is less likely to be marked as spam |
| 18:42 | <Cromulent> | certainly haven't had any spam issues so far |
| 18:45 | <zifnab> | buhman: ocfs2 + pacemaker/corosync/resource-agents/heartbeat, failover icsci is working |
| 18:45 | <zifnab> | there's a 5s io lock on failover |
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| 18:46 | <buhman> | erm |
| 18:46 | <buhman> | where's your network'ed fs? |
| 18:46 | <zifnab> | as stated, ocfs2 |
| 18:46 | <buhman> | O.o |
| 18:46 | <zifnab> | you create a cluster with it |
| 18:47 | <buhman> | that's a local filesystem though, right? |
| 18:47 | <zifnab> | local to both nodes, same fs |
| 18:47 | <buhman> | 23:46:24 buhman where's your network'ed fs? |
| 18:47 | <buhman> | ;p |
| 18:47 | <zifnab> | erm, 'i could add nfs or something if i care' |
| 18:47 | <buhman> | wasn't that the whole point of what we were talking about earlier? |
| 18:48 | <zifnab> | all i needed was a filesystem that acts like windows cvfs |
| 18:48 | <buhman> | oh |
| 18:48 | <zifnab> | iscsi works just as well |
| 18:48 | <buhman> | well then |
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| 19:15 | <James_T> | haha |
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| 19:19 | * | drussell stretches |
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| 19:21 | * | rsdehart calls for the rack to be tightened |
| 19:22 | <@drussell> | o.o |
| 19:22 | <@drussell> | Rack |
| 19:22 | <@drussell> | Am I caged now? |
| 19:22 | <dwfreed> | drussell: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rack_%28torture%29 |
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| 19:23 | <@drussell> | dwfreed: Ah right, seems unpleasant. |
| 19:23 | <rsdehart> | I'd imagine it is |
| 19:24 | <@drussell> | It's weird that my IRSSI actually hilighted "torture" though, because of the %2 around it. |
| 19:24 | <rsdehart> | uh huh |
| 19:24 | <nthint> | I have LAMP Stack with PHP on my linode but when I try to run php command in in ssh it says "command not found". Php is working fine though (pages work correctly) How do I register php command globally? |
| 19:24 | <rsdehart> | I bet that's why |
| 19:24 | <@drussell> | rsdehart: Lol. I mean like, not hilighted but made green |
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| 19:25 | <trippeh_> | nthint: debian/ubuntu? apt-get install php5-cli |
| 19:25 | <zifnab> | do non pygrub boots support custom kernel modules? |
| 19:25 | <nthint> | ubuntu - is it ok that PHP already installed, or php5-cli will only install command line tool? |
| 19:25 | <zifnab> | its been so long i can't remember |
| 19:26 | <James_T> | zifnab: yes |
| 19:26 | <zifnab> | thanks |
| 19:26 | <trippeh_> | nthint: as long as its installed from the official ubuntu repos, it should be safe |
| 19:26 | <James_T> | zifnab: err, use pvgrub |
| 19:26 | <James_T> | pygrub sucks |
| 19:26 | <@drussell> | James_T: pvgrub isn't much better >_> |
| 19:26 | <trippeh_> | nthint: if you have some self compiled php or something, mixing with apt-get could end badly |
| 19:26 | <James_T> | drussell: at least it's grub2.0 |
| 19:27 | <James_T> | in current xen |
| 19:27 | <@drussell> | Fair enough. |
| 19:27 | <nthint> | trippeh_: I installed LAMP stack using StackScripts in Linode Manager |
| 19:27 | <nthint> | together with MySQL, Apache and Ubuntu |
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| 19:29 | <zifnab> | James_T: pygrub is too? |
| 19:29 | <nthint> | trippeh_, thanks, works perfect after I ran that command |
| 19:29 | <trippeh_> | nthint: from what I can see, it seems the stack script uses the proper repos, so apt-get install php5-cli should be safe |
| 19:29 | <zifnab> | James_T: http://wiki.xen.org/wiki/PyGrub, supports 1, 2, lilo, and extlinux |
| 19:30 | <James_T> | zifnab: but pygrub needs grub inside the domU, pvgrub is a xen kernel that lives outside |
| 19:30 | <James_T> | which is what linode does |
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| 19:30 | <zifnab> | hrm |
| 19:30 | <zifnab> | i'll look at it |
| 19:30 | <nthint> | argh, I need at least 5.3.3 to run Symfony! What command do I run to update php? |
| 19:30 | <James_T> | need a recent grub to build the grub-xen shim tho |
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| 19:31 | <James_T> | (but only really need that on the dom0... i guess) |
| 19:31 | <nthint> | by default it installed 5.3.2 |
| 19:31 | <James_T> | :O |
| 19:32 | <zifnab> | dependso n the os |
| 19:32 | <zifnab> | depends on the os* |
| 19:32 | <zifnab> | s/os/distro/g |
| 19:32 | <@drussell> | Isn't 5.3 EOL? |
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| 19:32 | <@drussell> | Pretty sure you should use 5.4 |
| 19:32 | <zifnab> | does php ever EOL anything? |
| 19:32 | <@drussell> | zifnab: It does. |
| 19:32 | <nthint> | yeah, you are right |
| 19:32 | <@drussell> | http://php.net/eol.php < |
| 19:32 | <trippeh_> | ah. the linode lamp stack script is limited to ubuntu 12.04 as the newest supported, which uses php 5.3 |
| 19:33 | <nthint> | so do I have to re-install or is it possible to update? |
| 19:33 | <trippeh_> | linode: plz add 14.04 to it ;) |
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| 19:34 | <trippeh_> | nthint: you could do a ubuntu distro upgrade to ubuntu 14.04 LTS. but the apache parts can be a bit painful for 12.04 -> 14.04 |
| 19:35 | <nthint> | I think this will work fine? http://serverfault.com/questions/420286/how-do-i-upgrade-from-php-5-3-to-php-5-4-6-in-ubuntu |
| 19:35 | <MajObviousman> | anyone here have Verizon FiOS and have done "things" to move the default router out of the way? |
| 19:35 | <MajObviousman> | e.g. http://www.dslreports.com/faq/16077 |
| 19:35 | <Ikaros> | <-- |
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| 19:36 | <MajObviousman> | which option did you select and why? |
| 19:36 | <trippeh_> | nthint: I'd be careful with 3rd party repos (ppa's) - things like security support and later distro upgradeability can suffer. |
| 19:37 | <nthint> | is there official repo with PHP 5.4 or 5.5? |
| 19:37 | <trippeh_> | nthint: going to ubuntu 14.04 LTS is better long term. it ships with PHP 5.5.x |
| 19:37 | <MajObviousman> | PHP deliberately doesn't maintain its own repos |
| 19:37 | <MajObviousman> | it wants the distros to do that chore |
| 19:38 | <MajObviousman> | it only provides source |
| 19:38 | <trippeh_> | and win32 binaries :> |
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| 19:39 | <nthint> | trippeh_: thank you for the advice. I am not ready yet to upgrade linux, since it is my first day working with any VPS and I need to learn the basics before going there. I will rebuild this linode later in any case |
| 19:40 | <trippeh_> | drussell: update stack script for 14.04 plz :) |
| 19:41 | <trippeh_> | Compatible with: Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, Ubuntu 12.04 LTS, Debian 7 32bit, Ubuntu 10.04 LTS 32bit |
| 19:42 | <trippeh_> | https://www.linode.com/stackscripts/view/10 |
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| 19:43 | <Ikaros> | 06:36:22 PM <MajObviousman> which option did you select and why? <-- Option 6, I've always used ethernet lines on my LAN and I wanted it for WAN too. That and I don't trust the Actiontec crap they gave me to be a primary. I would trust any other router over that garbage to be my primary. |
| 19:43 | <dwfreed> | trippeh_: 14.04 is apache 2.4, isn't it? |
| 19:43 | <MajObviousman> | yeah, I'm of the same opinion |
| 19:44 | <trippeh_> | dwfreed: yup. Candidate: 2.4.7-1ubuntu4.1 |
| 19:44 | <MajObviousman> | you still get guide data et al? |
| 19:44 | <MajObviousman> | 6 and 7 look pretty similar, with 7 being a superset functionality of 6 |
| 19:44 | <dwfreed> | trippeh_: then it's going to have to be a whole new stackscript, or a lot of work will need to be done to the convenience library |
| 19:44 | <arlen> | when I had fios you still needed the actiontec |
| 19:44 | <Ikaros> | Yes, because the Actiontec is still utilizing MoCA for local data. |
| 19:45 | <Ikaros> | The only thing not supported in that setup is what is specified on that page - the CPE interface |
| 19:45 | <Ikaros> | Which I really don't give a damn about |
| 19:46 | <trippeh_> | dwfreed: a fun project! :) |
| 19:46 | <Ikaros> | Because screw Verizon. Enough said |
| 19:46 | <MajObviousman> | I'm not even sure what that is |
| 19:46 | <MajObviousman> | but I probably won't care for it |
| 19:46 | <Ikaros> | MajObviousman: It's a remote CPE access interface for Verizon techs to remotely do things with their router at your premises |
| 19:46 | <trippeh_> | MajObviousman/Ikaros: I'm glad my ftth provider lets me plug the fiber into my own switch with my own optics :) |
| 19:46 | <MajObviousman> | oh fuck that, absoultely no fuck ing way |
| 19:47 | <MajObviousman> | yeah, nope no CPE |
| 19:47 | <MajObviousman> | Customer Premesis E-something |
| 19:47 | <MajObviousman> | Premises? |
| 19:47 | * | MajObviousman will also likely be going for option 6 then |
| 19:47 | <Ikaros> | Customer Premises Equipment |
| 19:47 | <trippeh_> | a $15 SFP module and boom, WAN link |
| 19:48 | <MajObviousman> | I would kinda like that |
| 19:48 | <MajObviousman> | except I'm getting more than just internet from it |
| 19:48 | <Ikaros> | Thing you have to bear in mind though, is this - you will need to put Verizon's router back as primary if you ever need support from them. |
| 19:48 | <MajObviousman> | hmmm |
| 19:48 | <trippeh_> | we got the tv signals on a different fiber |
| 19:48 | * | MajObviousman had to do that every time he called TWC |
| 19:48 | <trippeh_> | one fiber for data, another for tv |
| 19:48 | <MajObviousman> | trippeh_: I'm a fan of that |
| 19:49 | <Ikaros> | But Option 6 is what I'm using now, and guide, VOD, all that STB jazz works fine |
| 19:49 | <MajObviousman> | is it local coop fiber? |
| 19:49 | <MajObviousman> | Ikaros: thank you very much for explaining |
| 19:49 | <MajObviousman> | you saved me some time :) |
| 19:49 | <trippeh_> | MajObviousman: sorta - housing coop put down the fiber and rents out out to a layer1-2 broker |
| 19:49 | <acald3ron> | linode configure its nt working. some perl package i need. |
| 19:50 | <trippeh_> | MajObviousman: so its also open access. |
| 19:50 | <Ikaros> | If your WAN is currently set to coax though you'll need to call Verizon's FSC first and have them switch it to ethernet, you'll need to verify with them that you've done the setup for that yourself. |
| 19:50 | <zifnab> | i sucessfully have vrrp and iscsi running between two nodes with a shared disk |
| 19:50 | <MajObviousman> | right |
| 19:50 | * | MajObviousman was out looking at the ONT today |
| 19:50 | <MajObviousman> | while I was discovering that I had a different power grid provider than my current address |
| 19:50 | <MajObviousman> | and therefore couldn't just change addresses at my current company |
| 19:50 | <Ikaros> | It was easy for me to do because my ONT is indoors (I'm in an apartment) |
| 19:51 | <MajObviousman> | the cat5 is run right up to it, just clipped at the end instead of plugged in |
| 19:51 | <MajObviousman> | it'll be <5 min to get it ready to go |
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| 19:51 | <Ikaros> | There's a hub mounted on the side of the building I'm in, the ONT gets its link through that. |
| 19:51 | <acald3ron> | linode cli any help: http://paste.debian.net/140566/ |
| 19:51 | <MajObviousman> | so if you really wanted to piss neighbors off, take an axe to that box |
| 19:52 | <Ikaros> | lol |
| 19:52 | <MajObviousman> | I think somebody has broken into my former apartment and set up a grow op in there |
| 19:52 | <Ikaros> | I'd piss off about 8 different families. |
| 19:52 | <Kellin> | my FiOS ONT is in my neighbor's basement |
| 19:52 | <MajObviousman> | the power usage suddenly leapt to about $25 a day last week |
| 19:52 | * | Kellin was displeased with that, but there was no way to run it into his apartment with how stuff is wired. |
| 19:52 | <Ikaros> | No, 16 |
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| 19:52 | <@drussell> | acald3ron: Might be worth opening a support ticket on that one. |
| 19:53 | <MajObviousman> | it's been vacant for over a month |
| 19:53 | <acald3ron> | MajObviousman, ok thanks ! |
| 19:53 | <MajObviousman> | uhh |
| 19:53 | <Ikaros> | Counting the number of wifi networks in range and the SSID naming schemes, more than 90% of this damn complex has FiOS running |
| 19:53 | <MajObviousman> | acald3ron: I don't recall giving you any advice |
| 19:53 | <@drussell> | Lol. |
| 19:53 | <dwfreed> | MajObviousman: why didn't you have the power turned off, then? |
| 19:54 | <MajObviousman> | because I was playing fast and loose |
| 19:54 | <Ikaros> | The rest I can probably assume are Time Warner crap. |
| 19:54 | <MajObviousman> | vacant, smoke damaged, clearly uninhabitable |
| 19:54 | <MajObviousman> | I figured that surely nobody would go in there |
| 19:54 | <dwfreed> | lol |
| 19:54 | <MajObviousman> | and since the power co was going to charge me $150 to terminate my contract early ... I figured I'd just let it ride for a month and then do change-of-address |
| 19:54 | <MajObviousman> | but that's backfired on e |
| 19:54 | <dwfreed> | > contract |
| 19:54 | <dwfreed> | what is this? |
| 19:55 | <Ikaros> | I remember when the FiOS tech was in here checking the coaxial...he pulled out the existing plug and said "Heh. Time Warner garbage." |
| 19:55 | <MajObviousman> | well, when a mommy power company hates her child user very very much ... |
| 19:55 | <MajObviousman> | she makes him sign a contract to get power at a not-ridiculously-overpriced rate so that he'll keep getting power from her for a year |
| 19:55 | <Kellin> | my FiOS techs have all been pretty bad - they don't listen to what I want and just wire it anywhere they want / anyway they want =/ |
| 19:55 | <Ikaros> | Pulled that plug off, installed a new one with new outlet faceplate and everything. |
| 19:55 | <MajObviousman> | one of the less savory aspects of Texas-style power deregulation |
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| 19:56 | <Ikaros> | Yeah, Kellin, the guy I dealt with was thorough and always checked with me when there was the option of doing something different, e.g where I wanted to place things. |
| 19:57 | <MajObviousman> | it's ok though, at the new house, I'm locked in to buying power from a local coop that I'm absolutely positively certain will NOT mistreat me |
| 19:57 | <Ikaros> | Not to mention he was early. |
| 19:57 | <Ikaros> | :D |
| 19:57 | <MajObviousman> | yay local monopolies |
| 19:57 | <MajObviousman> | some day soon, I'm going to move the fuck out into the country side, buy some land, and build my own frickin power plant |
| 19:58 | <Kellin> | hehe |
| 19:58 | <Ikaros> | But yeah. Only thing missing with them that I have yet to see here...native IPv6 |
| 19:58 | <Ikaros> | Another driving reason I wanted to put my router up as primary. |
| 19:58 | <MajObviousman> | FiOS doesn't do native IPv6? |
| 19:58 | <trippeh_> | hm. I use about $2/day for power. |
| 19:58 | <MajObviousman> | trippeh_: do you hang dry your clothes? |
| 19:59 | <MajObviousman> | run a dryer for an hour, see how much power you spend |
| 19:59 | <Ikaros> | MajObviousman: They were supposed to be working on that since, oh, 2012 or so. |
| 19:59 | <trippeh_> | MajObviousman: no. power is just cheap over here. |
| 19:59 | <MajObviousman> | or dry your hair with a blow drier |
| 19:59 | <MajObviousman> | must be nice |
| 19:59 | <trippeh_> | (usually) |
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| 19:59 | <Ikaros> | I can't speak for other FiOS markets obviously but I know I haven't seen it on the Dallas market yet |
| 19:59 | <Peng> | trippeh_: wtf, do you live in a coal mine? |
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| 20:00 | <Ikaros> | I'm actually using IPv6 now, but a tunnel, if you checked my current address you'd see that probably. |
| 20:00 | <trippeh_> | in our neighbour country - denmark - power sometimes have negative price ;) |
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| 20:01 | <MajObviousman> | so it is |
| 20:01 | <trippeh_> | not quite that cheap here, though. |
| 20:01 | <trippeh_> | we got lots of hydro |
| 20:02 | * | MajObviousman is also Dallas area, NE ish |
| 20:03 | <MajObviousman> | hopefully I have a similar experience in techs that you did |
| 20:03 | <MajObviousman> | it gets installed on Monday, along with all my shit being delivered |
| 20:03 | <MajObviousman> | it's going to be a busy day I think |
| 20:03 | <MajObviousman> | errr, stuff. Getting my stuff delivered. |
| 20:03 | * | MajObviousman coughs quietly |
| 20:04 | <Ikaros> | Well I've not had a negative experience with them here thus far. I will say that much. |
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| 20:05 | <MajObviousman> | what quadrant of Dallas, if I may ask? |
| 20:05 | <Ikaros> | And I'm tech-inclined so one huge pet peeve of mine is being talked to like I'm some sort of newbie in that regard. |
| 20:05 | <Ikaros> | They actually came to my level. |
| 20:05 | <MajObviousman> | that's quite nice |
| 20:05 | <MajObviousman> | a great change from TWC |
| 20:05 | <MajObviousman> | after 20 calls to their tech support line in 4 months, they just started connecting me straight to the L3 guy |
| 20:06 | <MajObviousman> | who magically got things more or less fixed |
| 20:06 | <Kellin> | yeah - I had that relationship with the vendor in Norman when I lived in OK |
| 20:07 | <Ikaros> | 07:05:07 PM <MajObviousman> what quadrant of Dallas, if I may ask? <-- Roughly western/northwestern quadrant (Irving) |
| 20:07 | <Tea> | So I have an SSL cert for mail.warhaggis.com - how come it's flagging as invalid when being used as the IMAP server? Can one SSL not be used for both IMAP and HTTP? Because I also have it validating my webmail |
| 20:07 | <MajObviousman> | ahh yes |
| 20:07 | <MajObviousman> | good connectivity over there |
| 20:07 | <Ikaros> | Psh |
| 20:07 | <Ikaros> | Tell that to my cell phone. |
| 20:07 | <Ikaros> | >> |
| 20:07 | <MajObviousman> | fiber heaven! |
| 20:07 | <MajObviousman> | you can't throw a rock without hitting a data center |
| 20:07 | * | MajObviousman lays it on thick |
| 20:08 | <Ikaros> | Being near the airport kinda has a downside. So having the connectivity that I do makes my phone happy when it's connected with my wifi. Sad when on cell data. |
| 20:08 | <Tea> | oh wait - i had it wrong. forgot to restart dovecot |
| 20:09 | <Ikaros> | Don't matter if I have 3G or even LTE connectivity, the throughput is crap because I'm likely bouncing off a tower that's god knows how many miles away. |
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| 20:11 | <James_T> | lol |
| 20:11 | <James_T> | Ikaros: my town has... two towers |
| 20:11 | <James_T> | both are over capacity |
| 20:11 | <James_T> | ;) |
| 20:11 | <rsdehart> | and that huge glowing eye causes major interference |
| 20:11 | <James_T> | yeah |
| 20:12 | * | James_T curses Sauron |
| 20:12 | <James_T> | ;) |
| 20:12 | <Peng> | and those marching armies of orcs have no respect for shallow buried cables |
| 20:12 | <James_T> | nope |
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| 20:13 | <James_T> | Relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMUDVMiITOU |
| 20:14 | <Ikaros> | But yeah, all in all phone <3's my FiOS connection. |
| 20:14 | <Ikaros> | :p |
| 20:14 | <rsdehart> | I"m looking forward to FiOS |
| 20:14 | <rsdehart> | gotta move to the bottom of the freakin world to get it |
| 20:15 | <rsdehart> | actually if my info is right, I'll be living a block over from the extent of the fiber, so once again I'll be SOL |
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| 20:15 | <Ikaros> | Which another thing I'd like to point out - the wireless N on the Actiontec is a joke. My router has simultaneous dual-band N and, soon as I get my tax refund (I'll be among the first after the 20th, I just filed today), I'm going 802.11ac |
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| 20:16 | <devilspgd> | You could have saved some typing... Just drop "the wireless N on " and you're good. |
| 20:17 | <MajObviousman> | Ikaros: have you selected your AC hardware of choice? |
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| 20:17 | <Ikaros> | Not just yet. |
| 20:17 | * | dwfreed suggests the Asus RT-AC68U |
| 20:17 | <akerl> | dwfreed: heh |
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| 20:17 | <akerl> | I was just going to suggest ASUS for their solid security |
| 20:17 | <dwfreed> | akerl: I finally put tomato on mine; needed VLANs |
| 20:18 | <James_T> | rsdehart: no, you'll get some airfibre and get fios that way |
| 20:18 | <James_T> | ;) |
| 20:18 | <James_T> | Does any AC hardware work with openwrt |
| 20:18 | <rsdehart> | James_T: I plan to figure something out |
| 20:18 | <dwfreed> | there's some draft AC hardware that does |
| 20:18 | <MajObviousman> | with modern wifi, I'm starting to get comfortable with NOT putting my fileserver on a wire |
| 20:18 | <James_T> | ah ok |
| 20:19 | <James_T> | >modern wifi |
| 20:19 | <James_T> | >not using wires |
| 20:19 | <James_T> | :O |
| 20:19 | <devilspgd> | Modern wifi is next generation. Always next generation, never today. |
| 20:19 | <James_T> | What speed does AC do |
| 20:19 | <Ikaros> | Godlike? |
| 20:19 | <Ikaros> | :p |
| 20:19 | <James_T> | through a faraday cage |
| 20:19 | <James_T> | ;) |
| 20:21 | <Ikaros> | James_T: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11ac#Data_rates_and_speed |
| 20:21 | <trippeh_> | James_T: 4-500 typical in good conditions AFAIK |
| 20:21 | <trippeh_> | Mbps TCP throughput |
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| 20:22 | <James_T> | mmm |
| 20:22 | <James_T> | is that real-world or theoretical |
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| 20:22 | <trippeh_> | the wikipedia is theoretical, 4-500 is more realistic |
| 20:22 | <trippeh_> | my phone does 200Mbps with one antenna on speedtest.net |
| 20:23 | <Ikaros> | Well hence the word "Theoretical" |
| 20:23 | <trippeh_> | most laptops is 2 to 3 antennas |
| 20:23 | <MajObviousman> | James_T: the choice used to be 1 gig ethernet or 108 Mbit draft N, where you only ever got about 55-60 |
| 20:24 | <MajObviousman> | that ain't enough if you're slinging around huge files to and from a file server |
| 20:24 | <James_T> | get some 10gig ethernet |
| 20:24 | <James_T> | ;) |
| 20:24 | <MajObviousman> | I think my house is wired for cat5, but I'll be dropping some cat6 into places |
| 20:25 | <Peng> | I have some Cat 6, and, like, 100 Mbps Ethernet. :| |
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| 20:25 | <MajObviousman> | Peng: that's because ipv6 doesn't do well on cat5 :) |
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| 20:26 | <MajObviousman> | all those extra address bits get lost |
| 20:27 | <devilspgd> | You need at least 6 cats for IPv6. Obviously. |
| 20:27 | <Peng> | I only have one cat, but she's kind of fat. |
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| 20:30 | <James_T> | MajObviousman: yeah, you can do 10gig over decent cat6 no problems |
| 20:30 | <James_T> | (make sure it's actually copper, and not cooper clad aluminium) |
| 20:30 | * | James_T fell for that |
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| 20:31 | * | MajObviousman is reading up on how ISO/IEC connects are supposedly supplanting EIA/TIA connects |
| 20:31 | <MajObviousman> | but so far I haven't seen any up close |
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| 20:32 | <James_T> | o.O |
| 20:32 | <James_T> | what? confuse |
| 20:33 | <MajObviousman> | yeah I am too |
| 20:33 | <MajObviousman> | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO/IEC_11801 |
| 20:34 | <MajObviousman> | so far I'm not seeing a listed difference, but it's probably buried in the standard somewhere |
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| 20:35 | <MajObviousman> | so, looks like you can run 10g just fine across typical cat 6 or 6A |
| 20:35 | <James_T> | yah |
| 20:35 | <James_T> | need cat6 to do it |
| 20:36 | <MajObviousman> | but if you want to push it to 40 or 100, you'll need this new connector standard or whatever, and you've got limited lengths, 40m and 15m respectively |
| 20:36 | <James_T> | gets a reasonable range too afaik |
| 20:36 | <MajObviousman> | instead of 100m |
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| 20:36 | <James_T> | mmm yup |
| 20:36 | <MajObviousman> | and I expect the newish 400g is fiber only |
| 20:36 | <James_T> | 10gig switches aren't too expensive either |
| 20:36 | <MotoHoss> | so how fast do ssd's write? |
| 20:36 | <James_T> | faster than a gigabit ethernet connection can handle |
| 20:37 | * | MajObviousman was aiming towards an ubqt edgerouter |
| 20:37 | <James_T> | afaik you can do 10gig on cat5e... but... |
| 20:37 | <James_T> | WHY |
| 20:37 | <zifnab> | James_T: cat6 required |
| 20:37 | <dwfreed> | depending on the controller, you're often more limited by the bus it's running across |
| 20:37 | <MajObviousman> | I think you'd be getting issues with cat5e |
| 20:37 | <James_T> | zifnab: lol |
| 20:37 | <MotoHoss> | MajObviousman, they are nice. |
| 20:37 | <James_T> | MajObviousman: yeah |
| 20:37 | <dwfreed> | you can use quality cat5e for 10gig |
| 20:37 | <zifnab> | and a line speed 10gbit switch is going to be a shit ton |
| 20:37 | <MajObviousman> | define quality :) |
| 20:37 | <MajObviousman> | crossbar switch, here I come! |
| 20:37 | <zifnab> | sure, you can get one that has 10gbit throughput in total for cheap |
| 20:37 | <James_T> | dwfreed: so, solid core copper? |
| 20:38 | <MajObviousman> | define cheap |
| 20:38 | <buhman> | lol |
| 20:38 | <MajObviousman> | e.g. can you link a product? |
| 20:38 | <buhman> | MajObviousman: like $10 |
| 20:38 | <zifnab> | but good luck not spending 5-10k on a 10gbit copper switch that does throughput |
| 20:38 | <dwfreed> | it basically has to handle the frequencies of cat6a and cat7 |
| 20:38 | <zifnab> | MajObviousman: the only one i have is from some weird chinese website, no idea what model o ranything |
| 20:38 | <MajObviousman> | right, so wiring for cat 6A is not a bad idea, but wait on the rest |
| 20:38 | <buhman> | 10gbit switch fabric is like a 48-port 100Mbit/s switch |
| 20:38 | <MajObviousman> | give it a few years to catch up |
| 20:39 | <zifnab> | buhman: 4500x ftw |
| 20:39 | <zifnab> | (cisco) |
| 20:39 | <zifnab> | but its fiber or their weird sfp copper |
| 20:39 | <MajObviousman> | not exactly consumer grade |
| 20:39 | <zifnab> | tbh i'd just pick up a cheap 10gbit fiber switch |
| 20:39 | <buhman> | ancient 'enterprise' grade == consumer grade |
| 20:40 | <MajObviousman> | I was exploring wiring certain rooms with fiber |
| 20:40 | <MajObviousman> | but then you've got radius issues and it's so much more finicky |
| 20:40 | <MajObviousman> | still too early for that also |
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| 20:40 | <James_T> | You can buy a TP-Link |
| 20:40 | <James_T> | XS712T |
| 20:40 | <James_T> | for <$2000 |
| 20:40 | <James_T> | derp, where'd that newlines come from |
| 20:40 | <zifnab> | routerboard used to have a 24x 10gbit sfp switch for ~1100 |
| 20:40 | <zifnab> | not sure where it went |
| 20:40 | <MajObviousman> | point is, when I run the cat6A, I'll also run a spare piece of rope and secure it at either end so I can then come back later much easier |
| 20:41 | <buhman> | I bet James_T has a pair of 42U switches in his basement |
| 20:41 | <MajObviousman> | and if/when a new cabling standard comes along which I need to hop to, I'll be ready |
| 20:41 | <zifnab> | buhman: i have a nexus at work, they make way too much noise fo rmy house |
| 20:41 | <James_T> | MajObviousman: :D |
| 20:41 | <zifnab> | cisco n7010, they're fucking loud |
| 20:41 | <zifnab> | too many fans |
| 20:41 | * | MajObviousman reiterates the desire for CONSUMER or PROSUMER grade gear |
| 20:41 | <James_T> | But yeah, copper 10gig for <$1300 is a thing |
| 20:41 | <MajObviousman> | a very new thing? |
| 20:42 | <James_T> | http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0&_nkw=+XS712T&_sacat=0 |
| 20:42 | <James_T> | not new, really |
| 20:42 | <MajObviousman> | ebay: a trusted seller of ultra high end networking equipment since 1998 |
| 20:42 | <James_T> | been a standard for ages but people just didn't use it |
| 20:42 | <James_T> | yup |
| 20:42 | <James_T> | totally trusted |
| 20:42 | <James_T> | ;) ;) ;) |
| 20:43 | <MajObviousman> | I imagine the ASICs in these run pretty hot to keep up |
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| 20:43 | <James_T> | probably |
| 20:43 | <James_T> | hence the fans |
| 20:43 | <MajObviousman> | you said you had one |
| 20:43 | <MajObviousman> | or somebody did? |
| 20:44 | <MajObviousman> | whoever owns a 10g copper speak up and tell us how loud it is |
| 20:44 | <MajObviousman> | inquiring minds want to know! |
| 20:44 | <James_T> | Put it in your garage? |
| 20:44 | <MajObviousman> | hmm |
| 20:44 | <James_T> | and look! also has two SFP+ ports |
| 20:44 | <MajObviousman> | sawdust complications |
| 20:44 | <James_T> | hmm |
| 20:45 | <MajObviousman> | mini cleanroom in the garage perhaps? |
| 20:45 | <James_T> | hmm...... |
| 20:45 | <James_T> | yeah |
| 20:45 | <James_T> | :P |
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| 20:45 | <MajObviousman> | I kinda sorta want to buy a house in the country and pay to have LR fiber trenched to the home |
| 20:45 | <James_T> | :) |
| 20:45 | <MajObviousman> | a nice 500/500 and then split it out to neighbors |
| 20:46 | <James_T> | resell! |
| 20:46 | <MajObviousman> | yep |
| 20:46 | <MajObviousman> | I figure the trenching would be 15-20k |
| 20:46 | <MajObviousman> | depending on how far |
| 20:46 | <MajObviousman> | where I'm thinking is only 10-15 miles "off grid" |
| 20:46 | <MajObviousman> | and solid ground, not many faults or swamps or anything |
| 20:47 | <Kellin> | at least not until you go digging up all the ground! |
| 20:48 | <MajObviousman> | that's what I pay somebody else for |
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| 20:48 | <MajObviousman> | so when their dumb ass hits a water main, they get to file the insurance claim not me |
| 20:48 | <ctpdump> | I can't seem to find out if I need to tinker with SOA-EDIT (in powerdns) if I use a bind-backend. Anyone? |
| 20:48 | <ctpdump> | and non-powerdns slaves (eg: linode) |
| 20:49 | <buhman> | ctpdump: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 20:49 | <ctpdump> | ah, that would help, yes. DNSSEC |
| 20:49 | <buhman> | O.o |
| 20:50 | <buhman> | if pdns is your master, it's like two commands to make it do the RightThing™ |
| 20:50 | <rsdehart> | obey your master |
| 20:50 | <ctpdump> | pdns is the master, linode is slave |
| 20:50 | <buhman> | and all you want to do is start auto-signing all the things in some zone? |
| 20:51 | <ctpdump> | yes |
| 20:52 | <buhman> | you can't just do pdnssec secure-zone $foozone ? |
| 20:53 | <ctpdump> | I can but based on the documentation: |
| 20:53 | <ctpdump> | Warning: If you have DNSSEC-signed zones and non-PowerDNS slaves, please check your SOA-EDIT settings. |
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| 20:53 | <buhman> | link? |
| 20:53 | <ctpdump> | https://doc.powerdns.com/md/authoritative/modes-of-operation/ |
| 20:53 | <ctpdump> | under master operation |
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| 20:54 | <buhman> | o.O |
| 20:54 | <buhman> | I can't see how the defaults could possibly cause anything to go wrong |
| 20:54 | <buhman> | ctpdump: did you try it? |
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| 20:55 | <ctpdump> | not yet. apparently if you don't set the SOA-EDIT correctly, zones will not update after a while |
| 20:55 | <zifnab> | test it out - you don't *have* to point yoru domain at it |
| 20:55 | <MajObviousman> | rsdehart: chop your breakfast on a mirror |
| 20:55 | <ctpdump> | zifnab: how could I test it non-live? |
| 20:55 | <zifnab> | ctpdump: set your dns server to ns1.linode.com |
| 20:55 | <zifnab> | it won't do recursive |
| 20:55 | <zifnab> | but you should be able to test it |
| 20:56 | <zifnab> | or 'dig domain @ns1.linode.com' |
| 20:56 | <rsdehart> | MajObviousman: tbh I don't actually know the lyrics haha |
| 20:56 | <ctpdump> | wouldn't I need to put the DS records at my registrar first? |
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| 20:56 | <zifnab> | you can skip that step entirely and it won't b elive |
| 20:56 | <MajObviousman> | demmit now I want to listen to that song |
| 20:56 | <buhman> | ctpdump: you can skip DS until you're ready. |
| 20:56 | <zifnab> | dig in ns zifnab06.net; dig in ns zinfab06.net @ns1.linode.com |
| 20:56 | <ctpdump> | dig -4 +dnssec -t soa @ns1.linode.com shows the RRSIG records |
| 20:56 | <ctpdump> | so it looks to be fine |
| 20:57 | <ctpdump> | but there are some warnings on using non-powerdns slaves and the need of SOA-EDIT |
| 20:57 | <MajObviousman> | rsdehart: haha, awesome youtube comment: "Lars is the only drummer in the world that plays drums better without a drum kit." |
| 20:58 | <rsdehart> | hahaha |
| 20:58 | <buhman> | ctpdump: what's your current serial? |
| 20:58 | <ctpdump> | 2015011402 |
| 20:58 | <ctpdump> | manually set in the bind-like zone file |
| 20:59 | <rsdehart> | MajObviousman: I personally think he belongs alone in a soundproof box |
| 20:59 | <MajObviousman> | with no mics inside? |
| 20:59 | <MajObviousman> | while another drummer plays along side him |
| 20:59 | <MajObviousman> | and is mic'd |
| 20:59 | <MajObviousman> | maybe stick a camera and a little A/C unit in there so he still feels like he's a part of things |
| 20:59 | <buhman> | ctpdump: 02 == not-INCEPTION |
| 20:59 | <buhman> | ctpdump: which means you're good |
| 20:59 | <buhman> | (afaict) |
| 20:59 | <ctpdump> | not sure what you mean? |
| 21:00 | <buhman> | https://doc.powerdns.com/md/authoritative/domainmetadata/#soa-edit |
| 21:00 | <ctpdump> | hang on, that's a serial number I incremented manually in the zone file |
| 21:00 | <ctpdump> | it was 01 when I started the day (as it should) |
| 21:00 | <ctpdump> | but I'm using a bind backend, not mysql |
| 21:01 | <zifnab> | i like the windows method: start at 1, increment by 1 for every change |
| 21:01 | <buhman> | I have no idea what you're doing |
| 21:01 | <zifnab> | less chance of a fuckup |
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| 21:01 | <buhman> | zifnab: unless the slaves are already >1 ;p |
| 21:01 | <zifnab> | good point! |
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| 21:01 | <zifnab> | you could nuke the slaves and start over (i think?) |
| 21:02 | <buhman> | too much work |
| 21:02 | <ctpdump> | one more thing, where the heck do I setup the SOA-EDIT? |
| 21:02 | <buhman> | ctpdump: in mysql there's a 'domainmetadata' table |
| 21:02 | <buhman> | you insert a row |
| 21:02 | <ctpdump> | that's the thing, I don't use mysql |
| 21:02 | <ctpdump> | this is why it all started |
| 21:02 | <buhman> | you've mentioned this ;p |
| 21:02 | <ctpdump> | I use bind-backend |
| 21:03 | <ctpdump> | hence the confusion ;) |
| 21:03 | <buhman> | not to derail your question, but why bind-backend? |
| 21:03 | <buhman> | seems like that's probably much less efficient than mysql? |
| 21:03 | <buhman> | s/?// |
| 21:04 | <zifnab> | ha, efficiency of zone files |
| 21:04 | <ctpdump> | since the serial is "hard coded" in the zone file I don't think soa-edit might work.. |
| 21:04 | <ctpdump> | for simplicity more than anything |
| 21:04 | <buhman> | zifnab: efficiency is important as the size of zones approach infinity. |
| 21:04 | <ctpdump> | and 'vi' is much better than all powerdnswebadmins |
| 21:04 | <buhman> | oh |
| 21:04 | <zifnab> | buhman: on the slave they're loaded into ram anyways? |
| 21:04 | <ctpdump> | I tried poweradmin and it was horrific |
| 21:04 | <zifnab> | idr how bind actually does its magic |
| 21:05 | <buhman> | when you do dnssec in bind-proper, the serial in signed zone doesn't necessarily match the zone file. |
| 21:05 | <zifnab> | and using the linode servers kind of me makes me not care what my master is running |
| 21:05 | <buhman> | bind manages that |
| 21:05 | <buhman> | it should definitely not match what's in your zonefile after the first key update |
| 21:06 | <ctpdump> | ok, so I need SOA-EDIT after all |
| 21:06 | <ctpdump> | if they don't match |
| 21:06 | <buhman> | O.o |
| 21:06 | <ctpdump> | the keys update weekly if I read correctly? |
| 21:06 | <buhman> | yep |
| 21:06 | <buhman> | you can change that too |
| 21:07 | <ctpdump> | When serving this zone, modify the SOA serial number in one of several ways. Mostly useful to get slaves to re-transfer a zone regularly to get fresh RRSIGs. |
| 21:07 | <MajObviousman> | did someone put efficiency and bind in the same sentence? |
| 21:07 | <buhman> | MajObviousman: the opposite |
| 21:07 | <MajObviousman> | ok, that's good |
| 21:07 | <ctpdump> | I guess as a last resort I can update the serial daily and force an update to the slaves |
| 21:07 | <MajObviousman> | preach the truth brotha! |
| 21:07 | <ctpdump> | nasty hack but may do it |
| 21:07 | <dwfreed> | MajObviousman: BIND is actually pretty efficient, given what it does |
| 21:07 | <dwfreed> | MajObviousman: runs at least one of the root nameservers |
| 21:07 | <MajObviousman> | it's just reading bits out of files and returning them |
| 21:08 | * | buhman doesn't see what's wrong with doing insert/update queries and/or nsupdate. |
| 21:08 | <MajObviousman> | and a web server is just taking file requests and returning files in response |
| 21:08 | <MajObviousman> | buhman: on a small scale? Absolutely nothing |
| 21:08 | <MajObviousman> | but people tend to go Big |
| 21:08 | <MajObviousman> | 100k entries in one zone file? WHY NOT |
| 21:08 | <buhman> | if you're going Big you're probably not using your fingers to do the actual zone updates. |
| 21:08 | <MajObviousman> | we were at 30k and increasing by 200-500 per day at my last job |
| 21:09 | <MajObviousman> | due to extremely poor decision making up front |
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| 21:09 | <MajObviousman> | also frequency of updates/commits starts to play a role |
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| 21:09 | <MajObviousman> | when you have either tons of zones or tons of entries in a single zone |
| 21:10 | <MajObviousman> | it approaches the classic database performance issues without any of the classic database performance helpers |
| 21:10 | <buhman> | heh |
| 21:10 | <MajObviousman> | well, that's not true. If you set it to not immediately write changes, then that's kinda like a DB cache layer |
| 21:13 | <buhman> | ctpdump: what's your bind-dnssec-db ? |
| 21:13 | <buhman> | ctpdump: apparently you make separate special database for the dnssec metadata to play with the SOA-EDIT. |
| 21:13 | <buhman> | ctpdump: https://doc.powerdns.com/md/authoritative/backend-bind/ says 'Autoserial: No' which looks pretty scary. |
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| 21:14 | <buhman> | ctpdump: #powerdns probably knows ;p |
| 21:14 | <MajObviousman> | yeah, I think we're stretching beyond the boundaries of what this channel can help with |
| 21:14 | <ctpdump> | bind-dnssec-db=/etc/powerdns/bind-dnssec.db |
| 21:14 | <MajObviousman> | which isn't to say it's not interesting |
| 21:14 | <ctpdump> | autoserial - no because they are plain files and need to be manually updated |
| 21:15 | <buhman> | hybrid bind-mode sounds interesting |
| 21:16 | <ctpdump> | This mode is only supported in 3.0, 3.0.1 and 3.4.0 |
| 21:16 | <ctpdump> | I have 3.3 which came with ubuntu 14.04.. |
| 21:16 | <buhman> | sounds like your distribution is failing to provide the packages you need |
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| 21:17 | <ctpdump> | haha |
| 21:19 | <ctpdump> | I was following this guide |
| 21:19 | <ctpdump> | http://blog.garraux.net/2014/02/deploying-dnssec-with-powerdns/ |
| 21:19 | <ctpdump> | he's using bind backend and mentiones the need of soa-edit |
| 21:19 | <buhman> | did you do that? |
| 21:20 | <buhman> | sounds like you should fire up sqlite and poke around in that metadatadb ;p |
| 21:20 | <MotoHoss> | why not just use bind? |
| 21:20 | <ctpdump> | I was thinking about that, let's see |
| 21:21 | <ctpdump> | aha, I think this is it |
| 21:22 | <ctpdump> | sqlite> .tables |
| 21:22 | <ctpdump> | cryptokeys domainmetadata tsigkeys |
| 21:22 | <ctpdump> | sqlite> select * from domainmetadata; |
| 21:22 | <ctpdump> | sqlite> |
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| 21:22 | <ctpdump> | so I probably need to put it here |
| 21:22 | <ctpdump> | good stuff, thanks ;) |
| 21:22 | <buhman> | definitely |
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| 21:24 | <ctpdump> | I'll just register a domain for one year to tinker around and not mess around with a live domain.. |
| 21:24 | <ctpdump> | as it looks not to be quite straight forward |
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| 21:41 | <zifnab> | good plan |
| 21:41 | <zifnab> | so whats stopping me from just ignoring dnssec entirely |
| 21:42 | <akerl> | nothing, really |
| 21:42 | <buhman> | zifnab: naysayers like akerl |
| 21:43 | <akerl> | zifnab: DNSSEC offers some solutions to some problems. If you or your users have those problems, it's possible DNSSEC is the solution for you. |
| 21:46 | <zifnab> | i meant the other side |
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| 21:46 | <zifnab> | registrar has a public key, records are signed with the public key |
| 21:46 | <zifnab> | can i just ignore the signature? |
| 21:47 | <buhman> | sure |
| 21:47 | <akerl> | signed with a private key, but yea |
| 21:47 | <zifnab> | er, yeah |
| 21:47 | <akerl> | But yes, DNSSEC validation is definitely not mandatory, and I'm trying to remember if there are any platforms that actually do it by default |
| 21:48 | <zifnab> | i could see a few interesting uses |
| 21:48 | <buhman> | like DANE |
| 21:48 | <zifnab> | if DANE ever kicks off, sure |
| 21:49 | <akerl> | Most people end up with DNSSEC validation by nature of their ISP or Google's resolvers doing it, which is probably a net gain except that MITM between them/resolver still leaves them in the cold |
| 21:49 | <buhman> | zifnab: SSHFP |
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| 21:50 | <zifnab> | buhman: memorize your fingerprint |
| 21:50 | <+linbot> | New news from forum: homepage not updating in General Discussion <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=10330&p=65805#p65805> |
| 21:50 | <buhman> | sure; how about memorizing 9000 fingerprints? |
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| 21:50 | <trippeh_> | All my puters have local dnssec validators. Boooya. |
| 21:51 | <buhman> | trippeh_ ftw |
| 21:51 | <akerl> | In all the cases I've run into, OpenSSH's CA support ended up being much saner to work with |
| 21:51 | <akerl> | Primarily because I didn't need to link the authentication system in with the DNS systems |
| 21:51 | <trippeh_> | only missing on my TV and phone. |
| 21:51 | <zifnab> | personally i like my 'lets all be nice' idea |
| 21:52 | <zifnab> | all traffic *should* be able to be plaintext without someone snooping |
| 21:52 | <buhman> | trippeh_: toaster? |
| 21:52 | <zifnab> | obviously perfect world |
| 21:52 | <akerl> | zifnab: Reminds me about the codinghorror article about becoming a deity |
| 21:53 | <zifnab> | personally, i don't know why i should trust comodo or startcom to tell me that google is google |
| 21:54 | <buhman> | you shouldn't |
| 21:54 | <zifnab> | lets start a p2p ca |
| 21:54 | <zifnab> | i accept any keys for people i know, and one step out from that (people they know) |
| 21:54 | <buhman> | nor any of the other few hundred CA's mozzila has anointed so far |
| 21:54 | <akerl> | zifnab: lol |
| 21:54 | <akerl> | zifnab: You realize that's a thing, yes? |
| 21:54 | <zifnab> | akerl: oO really? |
| 21:54 | <akerl> | cacert, I think? |
| 21:55 | <zifnab> | oh |
| 21:55 | <buhman> | ehh |
| 21:55 | <zifnab> | thats just another CA |
| 21:55 | <buhman> | cacert isn't really p2p |
| 21:55 | <zifnab> | just a free one that doesn't do validation |
| 21:55 | <zifnab> | (or very limited validation) |
| 21:55 | <akerl> | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAcert.org#Web_of_trust |
| 21:55 | <zifnab> | i have that too on startcom |
| 21:55 | <buhman> | no |
| 21:55 | <MotoHoss> | honest zifnab, honest achmed's second cousin twice removed ? |
| 21:56 | <buhman> | Assurers and the cacert root CA breaks the peer to peer thing. |
| 21:56 | <zifnab> | akerl: i'm thinking no CA whatsoever, no central authority |
| 21:56 | <zifnab> | maybe a blockchain style list of signatures somewhere |
| 21:56 | <akerl> | ... |
| 21:56 | <zifnab> | (i had to throw bitcoin in here to piss off everyone) |
| 21:56 | <Kyhwana> | namecoin! |
| 21:56 | <zifnab> | although from a data standpoint |
| 21:56 | <buhman> | x509 has no concept of 'web of trust' |
| 21:57 | <zifnab> | bitcoin is kinda cool |
| 21:57 | <zifnab> | just the data behind it |
| 21:57 | <akerl> | 21:54:18 <zifnab> lets start a p2p ca |
| 21:57 | <akerl> | "ca" |
| 21:57 | <zifnab> | oh god |
| 21:57 | <zifnab> | i'm so sorry |
| 21:57 | <akerl> | :P |
| 21:57 | <zifnab> | lets call it a p2p certificate chain |
| 21:57 | <buhman> | sure, where zifnab's authority is zifnab |
| 21:57 | <buhman> | that works |
| 21:57 | <Cromulent> | zifnab: how about just getting all major browsers to support DAME |
| 21:57 | <Nivex> | zifnab: so, GPG? |
| 21:58 | <zifnab> | Nivex: doesn't gpgp have a central server still? |
| 21:58 | <akerl> | No? |
| 21:58 | <Nivex> | there are keyservers, but that's for convenience only |
| 21:58 | <zifnab> | ah |
| 21:58 | <Nivex> | all the actual signing is pure WoT |
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| 21:58 | <buhman> | I think gnutls can do GPG |
| 21:59 | <akerl> | Making a thing that signed certs with GPG keys and then handling loading them into a browser would be trivial, but actually using it would be an ungodly pain in the ass |
| 21:59 | <MotoHoss> | Nivex, I have something of interest for you... mind a pm? |
| 21:59 | <zifnab> | akerl: I'm doing the normal thing, coming up with good ideas and ignoring the implementation |
| 21:59 | <akerl> | :> |
| 21:59 | <Nivex> | MotoHoss: just got back from the local hackerspace. go ahead. |
| 22:00 | <akerl> | zifnab: That said, I do highly recommend OpenSSH CAs for for host keys. I'm not 100% sold on them for user keys, but they do work there too |
| 22:01 | <zifnab> | akerl: if i had more than one or two servers with public ssh, i'd look into it |
| 22:01 | <buhman> | https://ptpb.pw/QQg5 |
| 22:01 | <zifnab> | atm i have 2, and i know both the fingerprints well enough (at least the last 6) |
| 22:01 | <learner> | zifnab, any certificate that can't carry financial implications is null in terms of "trust" value when it comes to business |
| 22:02 | <learner> | how would you expect people to trust their money to a PGP |
| 22:02 | <buhman> | how would you expect people to trust their money simultaneously to hundreds of random CAs? |
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| 22:02 | <buhman> | I'd trust a WoT over x.509 PKI any day. |
| 22:02 | <learner> | buhman, I wouldn't I would only trust it with a properly documented entity's CA |
| 22:02 | <zifnab> | i wonder if a CA has ever aid out |
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| 22:03 | <akerl> | "properly documented entity's CA" |
| 22:03 | <buhman> | wat |
| 22:03 | <akerl> | buhman: I didn't think learner knew how to troll, but I think he's trolling you |
| 22:03 | <buhman> | well then |
| 22:04 | <akerl> | zifnab: Not that I'm aware of |
| 22:04 | <zifnab> | better question: i wonder if they have small print |
| 22:04 | <akerl> | Yes |
| 22:04 | <zifnab> | "We only pay out of if we choose to" |
| 22:04 | <learner> | buhman, you need a financial firm's backing, a properly channeled, rigorously evaluated company registry checking, financial record checking etc system, before issuing an acceptable certificate |
| 22:04 | <buhman> | lol |
| 22:05 | <learner> | and certificate trust is relative |
| 22:05 | <zifnab> | "If we can find any possible reason that it was your fault, including keeping your private key on a server connected to the internet, it is 'Not Our Fault'(tm)" |
| 22:06 | <learner> | zifnab, that's financial fraud, yes not every insurance company can be trusted |
| 22:07 | <learner> | and in the end everything works to a relative trust |
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| 22:08 | <learner> | would you trust a bank with an initial investment of 1 billion dollars to handle a 10 billion dollar wire transfer? |
| 22:08 | <learner> | definitely not! |
| 22:09 | <tzi> | Hello - just wondering, is anyone else seeing weirdness with DHCP on boot, but not whet running dhclient manually? My Ubuntu machine’s not acquiring an address on boot (times out), but after logging in, dhclient completes successfully straight away! |
| 22:10 | <learner> | tzi look into yor bashrc / whatever shell you're running's config |
| 22:10 | <buhman> | tzi: sounds like your interface may not be up. |
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| 22:11 | <learner> | maybe you have something there that makes your interface go up when you log in |
| 22:11 | <ctpdump> | buhman: success, the insert into the sqlite3 database worked |
| 22:11 | <buhman> | :D |
| 22:11 | <MotoHoss> | how do you log in without an ip on a linode? |
| 22:11 | <ctpdump> | sqlite> insert into domainmetadata values ("1","example.com","SOA-EDIT","INCREMENT-WEEKS"); |
| 22:11 | <ctpdump> | and dig now shows another serial |
| 22:11 | <MotoHoss> | lish? |
| 22:11 | <tzi> | Interesting theory! I’ll have a look |
| 22:11 | <zifnab> | MotoHoss: lish! |
| 22:12 | <ctpdump> | have tried with EPOCH instead of INCREMENT-WEEKS and the serial was updating (obviously) every second |
| 22:12 | <buhman> | well, lish is still 'an ip' |
| 22:13 | <buhman> | ctpdump: heh |
| 22:14 | <buhman> | ctpdump: I was wondering why that section didn't say which was the default |
| 22:14 | <buhman> | clearly the default is null |
| 22:14 | <ctpdump> | there is no default apparently |
| 22:14 | <ctpdump> | it's up to you which one you should use |
| 22:14 | <ctpdump> | at least they've put a warning not to use EPOCH if you have slave servers :) |
| 22:14 | <ctpdump> | as they would continously refresh |
| 22:14 | <buhman> | are you actually spamming notifies? |
| 22:15 | <buhman> | that would be extremely hilarious. |
| 22:15 | <ctpdump> | heck yes |
| 22:15 | <ctpdump> | ;) |
| 22:15 | <ctpdump> | I've left it on INCREMENT-WEEKS |
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| 22:16 | <ctpdump> | serial now looks 2015013851 |
| 22:16 | <ctpdump> | if I increment it in the zone file (which is 2015011503) it will become 2015013852 |
| 22:16 | <ctpdump> | in dig |
| 22:16 | <ctpdump> | so it's a bit of magic |
| 22:17 | <tzi> | Nothing present in bashrcs (systemwide or local) that appears to touch networking; I’ve certainly made no networking changes, too. Mystery continues =) |
| 22:18 | <tzi> | I see “resolvconf pre-start process (1432) terminated with status 127” and “init: networking pre-start process (1960) terminated with status 1”, nothing else of interest in syslog/dmesg |
| 22:19 | <buhman> | upstart is all kinds of fun |
| 22:21 | <tzi> | During boot, after the above resolvconf message pre-start/post-stop messages, it reports “Waiting for network configuration... / Waiting up to 60 more seconds for network configuration... / Booting system without full network configuration…”, so I’m wondering if resolvconf is related |
| 22:21 | <learner> | tzi, send your linode to reboot while logged into lish, see what errors you get when it comes back up |
| 22:22 | <tzi> | Yup, that’s where I just come from learner - here’s what I see: http://cl.ly/image/2Y3X110Q3D3k |
| 22:22 | <learner> | tzi, if that's the case look into /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/resolvconf/ files |
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| 22:25 | <learner> | also pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:25 | <learner> | are you sure it's configured right |
| 22:26 | <tzi> | Looks correct to me, yeah! http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=sWWjDakB |
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| 22:26 | <tzi> | Resolvconf stuff looks correct too; members.linode.com, 207.192.69.4 and 5... |
| 22:27 | <tzi> | I presume that’s all coming from dhcp anyway |
| 22:27 | <learner> | tzi while on lish, do this: ifdown -a && ifup -a and see if you get any errors |
| 22:27 | <learner> | tzi, yep that looks ok |
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| 22:28 | <tzi> | Yeah, that looks fine too: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=9L1NN1dc |
| 22:31 | <tzi> | Hmm - could iptables rules be interfering with dhcp setup, in a way that *doensn’t* interfere once boot has completed? |
| 22:31 | <learner> | yep that's my next thing to look at |
| 22:31 | <tzi> | I guess I could disable my iptables setup and reboot to find out, but it’s an active and fairly busy server, so I’m loathe to pull it down |
| 22:31 | <tzi> | Yeah |
| 22:31 | <learner> | pastebing iptables-save |
| 22:31 | <learner> | yeah don't pull it down |
| 22:32 | <tzi> | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=MKtckxF6 |
| 22:34 | <learner> | -A FORWARD -j DROP that might be the culprit |
| 22:35 | <jrhunt> | for DHCP? |
| 22:35 | <tzi> | Yeah, could be (wouldn’t it be the “-A INPUT” line though?) - but wouldn’t that kill DHCP after boot, too? |
| 22:35 | <tzi> | I can’t figure out why it’d not work during boot, but work fine afterwards (once iptables is all set up) |
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| 22:36 | <jrhunt> | order of operations of the upstart? |
| 22:37 | <learner> | tzi, tail -50 /var/log/syslog |
| 22:37 | <tzi> | Yeah, but surely running dhcpcd *before* setting up iptables should work fine, and after shouldn’t, then? |
| 22:38 | <jrhunt> | i highly doubt your forward chain is involved at all in DHCP |
| 22:39 | <tzi> | Yeah, ditto |
| 22:39 | <tzi> | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ufu0VP8M |
| 22:39 | <tzi> | That final DHCP procedure was initiated manually, after logging in via lish |
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| 22:41 | <tzi> | Here’s that interaction, too: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=6fjGgyQe |
| 22:42 | <learner> | tzi, Jan 14 14:04:07 nettle kernel: bridge: automatic filtering via arp/ip/ip6tables has been deprecated. Update your scripts to load br_netfilter if you need this. |
| 22:42 | <zifnab> | cat /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:43 | <zifnab> | make sure its 'dhcp' not 'dhcpd' or 'dynamic' (it might be 'dhcpd') |
| 22:43 | <zifnab> | er, dhcp or dhcpd is right i can't ever remember |
| 22:43 | <tzi> | interfaces: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=sWWjDakB |
| 22:43 | <tzi> | ifdown/up works with that, so it seems to be correct |
| 22:43 | <tzi> | Hmm, br_netfilter, huh… reckon that’s it? |
| 22:46 | <learner> | tzi, I think the problem is with your longview set up |
| 22:46 | <learner> | you might've broken something there |
| 22:46 | <Peng> | Longview can break networking? |
| 22:46 | <tzi> | Oh! |
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| 22:47 | <MotoHoss> | why not go with a static config on the node? |
| 22:47 | <tzi> | I did have to manually install it, as the package wasn’t available for this particular ubuntu distribution |
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| 22:48 | <tzi> | Yeah, I could go static - it just felt better to figure out why DHCP was breaking, as I was worried it might be doing other weird stuff too |
| 22:49 | <MotoHoss> | curiosity is valid. :) |
| 22:49 | <tzi> | What makes you think longview might be the cause, learner? |
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| 22:51 | <learner> | tzi, a hunch, because it uses the bridge thingie to connect |
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| 22:52 | <tzi> | Ah, right! Okay, I’ve just updated my apt source - I’m on Utopic, was using the Trusty dist for apt-longview.linode.com; turns out Utopic is now supported, so I’ve updated that, and it looks like there’s no new version of the linode package |
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| 22:52 | <roamingdog> | Peng: problem is actually intermittent, just now i did ssh in, after about 20 'connection refused' |
| 22:52 | <learner> | tzi, remove the package, purge, and install again |
| 22:52 | <roamingdog> | Peng: after logging in, the terminal froze though.. |
| 22:53 | <tzi> | Righto, will do |
| 22:54 | <tzi> | Okay, that’s done - hopefully that’s it =) |
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| 22:54 | <tzi> | Won’t know ‘till next reboot, which may be months away with any luck |
| 22:55 | <tzi> | So, will leave it there for now. Thanks very much for the assistance! |
| 22:55 | <tzi> | I guess I can always setup static networking if it’s still busted |
| 22:56 | <learner> | yep |
| 22:56 | <learner> | :) |
| 22:58 | <tzi> | Okay, on that note, it be lunch time - cheers again, have a lovely day! |
| 22:58 | <learner> | tzi, enjoy :) |
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| 23:54 | <Rash> | Greetings ALL |
| 23:56 | <arlen> | hello |
| 23:56 | <learner> | hello Rash, should i call Ointment over too |
| 23:57 | <Rash> | ive set up my linode account and linode server with mysql and nodejs, I would like to know how to connect to my server via my app which i have created in titanium |
| 23:57 | <Rash> | Ointment??? |
| 23:58 | <Rash> | lol unless u throwing shots at my name lol |
| 23:58 | <learner> | Rash, what is your exact problem there, does your app on the server have an API? |
| 23:58 | <learner> | is it listening on a port? |
| 23:59 | <learner> | is the firewall allowing access to it |
| 23:59 | <learner> | can you AJAX/AJAJ to it? |
| 23:59 | <learner> | you haven't given even 10% of the details needed to help you |
| --- | Log | closed Wed Jan 14 00:00:26 2015 |
