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---Logopened Wed Mar 04 00:00:38 2015
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00:00<virtual>swiftkey is going to learn the hard away about backups. :/
00:01<Kyhwana>and this is a good time for everyone else to do their backups/test them
00:03<akerl>I usually test my backups when I test my smoke detectors
00:03<virtual>When there's a fire?
00:03<akerl>in other words, right after I fail at cooking up something crazy and they're beeping like mad
00:03<virtual>That must get awkward on bacon and egg mornings.
00:04<virtual>"I gotta pause and go check my backups".
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00:05<akerl>That's why these days I eat mostly cereal
00:08<virtual>akerl: haha!
00:10<Peng>WoSign's website is actually kinda slick.
00:10<James_T>Apart from being in Chinese, yeah
00:10<Peng>Chinese isn't unslick, it's just unreadable.
00:11<Kyhwana>James_T: there is an english version
00:12<James_T>of the login panel?
00:12<Kyhwana>no sure about the login panel, but there is for the free cert here page
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00:17<Peng>Pretty sure their OCSP server is in China.
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00:19<Thinkbar>I still cant ssh into my linode
00:19<Thinkbar>ip addr output
00:19<Thinkbar>IP address
00:20<virtual>Is SSH actually running?
00:21<akerl>Thinkbar: The iptables-save output and netstat -lpn would tell us the rest
00:21<virtual>Thinkbar: What akerl said
00:22<Peng>You know how companies always have the stock photo of the smiling customer service person with the headset? WoSign does too. Her name is 专属客服, or Vicky.
00:23<Thinkbar> - netstat -lp
00:23<Peng>Thinkbar: iptables-save
00:23<gparent>The best are those where they clearly overdo the diversity thing
00:23<Thinkbar>yes getting that
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00:25<dcraig>how do you overdo diversity?
00:26<Thinkbar> - iptables-save
00:26<virtual>Thinkbar: sorry, one more think, can you do 'ip route show' too?
00:26<akerl>virtual: No need
00:26<akerl>Thinkbar: So you're blocking connections on port 22
00:26<virtual>oh yeah.
00:27<akerl> <--
00:27<akerl>Yes, you're blocking port 80 as well
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00:28<Thinkbar>this this was never the case.. this must have happened during the scheduled maintenance
00:28<akerl>My bet: at some point while your Linode was running before, you either installed ufw or hand-poked firewall holes for 22 and 80. When you rebooted, it started based on what was saved on disk, which included UFW and blocked those ports
00:28<akerl>The maintenance is entirely on Linode's side, on the physical host. It does not change any configuration inside your Linode
00:28<gthutch>There were some programs recommended earlier for SSH Tunneling for MySQL database management purposes, not sure if anyone knows what programs those were...'
00:29<akerl>HeidiSQl or SequelPro, for Windows or OSX respectively
00:29<gthutch>Thank you so much
00:29<Thinkbar>there is no change in the server config since a long time
00:29<akerl>Thinkbar: My advice for fixing this would be to uninstall ufw
00:29<akerl>Thinkbar: Clearly there was a change made by you, or someone else that you gave root access on your server to, prior to the maintenance
00:29<akerl>It could have been a long time ago
00:30<Thinkbar>probably a reboot was due long time ago :)
00:30<Susej> what your username and password for ssh, I'll test it out.
00:30<Susej> ssh doesn't work 4 me :P
00:30<akerl>Susej: Not really a great joke
00:30<Peng>Susej: :| Don't be a jerk.
00:30<Susej>akerl, Oh right okay.
00:31<Susej>Peng, It was just a joke, calm down haha.
00:31<Peng>Also that's the second time today akerl said :| right before I was going to.
00:31<dcraig>colon pipe
00:31<Thinkbar>does installing sendmail also install ufw
00:31<Susej>Sounds like you need a better life then.
00:31<Susej>Relax and enjoy.
00:31<Susej>That'll help :)
00:31*Peng rubs monitor, takes closer look at arlen's pipe
00:32*Susej ddos's Peng with 20GBps.
00:32<Thinkbar>I have installed ufw
00:32<gparent>that's a lot of bytes.
00:32<akerl>Thinkbar: Installed, or uninstalled?
00:32<arlen>don't look at my pipe
00:32<Thinkbar>sorry uninstalled
00:32<Ikaros>Stop that
00:32<akerl>Thinkbar: And SSH works now :)
00:33<Susej>Yeah ssh works.
00:33<Susej>Lemme try root and root
00:33<avenj>channel-wide CTCP is pretty awesome for annoying 456 people at once
00:33<Susej>Bummer, Access denied.
00:33<HedgeMage>wtf is with the ctcp spam?
00:33*Susej brute forces your vps.
00:33<gparent>Susej: okay we get it
00:33<Susej>Nothing HedgeMage
00:33<avenj>HedgeMage: not enough homework
00:33<gthutch>Is there a command in Ubuntu 14.04 to check MySQL users? To list them all
00:33<dcraig>I didn't get any ctcp spam :(
00:33<arlen>me either
00:33<Thinkbar>yup it does now
00:34<akerl>gthutch: It's not ubuntu specific; try googling for MySQL <thing you want to do>
00:34<gparent>yeah im very sad that my ignores prevented me from fully living this experience with you people
00:34<dcraig>SELECT User FROM mysql.user;
00:34<Susej>What IRC Services does OFTC use?
00:34*HedgeMage plonks Susej and gets on with life
00:34*Peng waves to HedgeMage
00:35<Susej>So question.
00:35<HedgeMage>hi, Peng
00:35<HedgeMage>How goes?
00:35<Susej>Linode 16GB 16 GB 8 Cores 384 GB SSD 16 TB 40 Gbps 2000 Mbps $.24 / hr ($160 / mo)
00:35<Susej>I am looking to setup a virtual private server with a fair bit of horse power and a very fast internet connection considering my last vps was taken down by a 1.5GBps DDoS Attack; And I'd be running an IRC Network and Webserver.
00:35<Susej>Do you guys provide Anti DDoS Protection?
00:35<Susej>Also it says 2000Mbps is the speed I can expect is that the download speed?
00:35<Susej>What would I really get, say I wget'd a 1000mb.bin file.
00:35<gthutch>yeah i found that on stackoverflow also dcraig but just tells me select isnt a command
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00:35<Susej>Anyone wanna answer that?
00:35<gthutch>well command not found to be precise
00:35<dcraig>gthutch, you can't type it at the $ prompt
00:35<dcraig>you have to type it at the mysql prompt
00:35<Thinkbar>Thanks Guys
00:35<akerl>Susej: You'll want to find hosting elsewhere :)
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00:36<Peng>Susej: Linode protects their other customers by null-routing your IP if you get DDoSed badly enough to affect the network.
00:36-!-mode/#linode [+b *!*@101.98.245.*] by drussell
00:36-!-Susej was kicked from #linode by drussell [Inappropriate behaviour.]
00:36<Peng>well then
00:36<Thinkbar>Appreciate your help !
00:36<HedgeMage>Thanks, drussell :)
00:37<@drussell>HedgeMage: <3
00:37<virtual>I guess he got his answer.
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00:38<gthutch>woot im getting somewhere
00:38<gthutch>just discovered "mysql -u root -p"
00:38<virtual>lol gthutch :)
00:39<gthutch>I'm def a noobie at this but wellll worth learning
00:39<virtual>Yep, there's only one way to do it.
00:39<gthutch>Went from $60/month at WiredTree to $10/month here for nearly same thing
00:39<gthutch>Wiredtree is good and all, not bashing them, but just saying managed solutions in general cost
00:39<virtual>that's shared hosting?
00:40<virtual>To be honest, $60 managed doesn't seem awful.
00:40<gthutch>it was good compared to others
00:40<virtual>Not sure what 'managed' covers, of course.
00:40<gthutch>but still compared to any unmanaged
00:40<gthutch>no contest
00:40<gthutch>price wise
00:40<virtual>well, of course. :)
00:41<gthutch>how you can customize here is awesome though
00:41<gthutch>dont have to use apache server or debiant for os, etc
00:41<virtual>hey, don't you say a bad word about debian. :P
00:41<gthutch>lol just a random example
00:42<Peng>Wait... I didn't have to create a WoSign account to use it?
00:42<gthutch>i think it was CentOS over there actually
00:42<virtual>I was just being facetious. :)
00:42<gthutch>funny store about debian though
00:43<gthutch>right as you mentioned that i got all my mysql users to show right?
00:43<gthutch>one of them says debian-sys-maint
00:43<gthutch>but im on ubuntu?
00:43<virtual>Yeah, Ubuntu uses a lot of Debian as a base.
00:43<technoid_>debian is the upstream for Ubuntu
00:44<gthutch>then the other 3 users are all "root"
00:44<gthutch>is that normal?
00:44<virtual>They then modify things. It's sensible too - that way instructions for debian and ubuntu can be similar.
00:44<gthutch>figured i'd just have one
00:46<dcraig>maybe one is root@localhost and the other is root@ and the other is root@somethingelse
00:46<virtual>I have two, not three.
00:46<gthutch>also i ran netstat -tln to see what port mysql was running on
00:46<gthutch>3306, thats default?
00:46<virtual>but, yes, what dcraig said is very likely to be the case.
00:48<dcraig>or, rather, 'root'@'localhost' if you 'catch' my 'drift'
00:48<gthutch>So is it recommended to disable those root account with mysql as you do with ssh root account
00:48<dcraig>sounds like a pain :D
00:48<gthutch>im having a pain just trying to get heidi to work lol
00:49<technoid_>You will want the root@localhost so that you can access mysql to add other users.
00:50<technoid_>If you don't plan on connecting to mysql from other machines you can change the interface to only listen on localhost instead of to any address
00:50<technoid_>time to change your password
00:51<nate>I like my passwords, even if I do paste them somewhere accidently people will just think it's batshit gibberish
00:52<James_T>ayylamayonnaise should be your password nate
00:52<nate>maybe it is somewhere, maybe it is
00:53<technoid_>that the hostname I use for all of my machines
00:53<gthutch>hostname is like
00:54<gthutch>leading to your ip address of server
00:54<gthutch>vs a specific folder the main domain may point to?
00:54<gthutch>also thanks guys woot got heidi working :D
00:54<technoid_>hostname would be the pluto part
00:54<gthutch>is that an A record or what
00:54<gthutch>cause i set a hostname for mine as a tutorial told me to
00:54<gthutch>but that actual subdomain doesnt lead anywhere
00:54<nate>they're all A records
00:54<nate>or AAAA records
00:58<gthutch>when creating a DB in heidi, is there a certain "Collation" I should choose? i.e. latin1_swedish_ci
01:00<nate>ew heidi :(
01:00<nate>But no really generally go for something in the unicode variant :P
01:01<gthutch>hey im coming from phpmyadmin
01:01<gthutch>if you dont respect heidi, at least respect the added security lol
01:01<gthutch>since heidi uses SSH tunneling, theoretically im as safe as if i was using putty for managing mysql?
01:02<HedgeMage>ewww, putty
01:02<nate>You can use either heidi or PMA sanely, but as far as remote mysql tools go heidi isn't horrible, I was mainly teasing :P
01:03<nate>HedgeMage: But but, it has ECDSA support now!
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01:03<HedgeMage>nate: You could, you know, just get a real OS with a decent toolset.
01:04<nate>HedgeMage: or I can stick to what I've been familiar to for a decade and have 0 reason to move away from :P
01:04<virtual>nate: I must admit, I am in awe that you haven't run away screaming after 10 years with Windows.
01:04<gthutch>utf_32_unicode_ci <-- is that suitable?
01:04<HedgeMage>nate: I work in infosec. The idea of people administering anything from windows scares the crap out of me.
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01:05<HedgeMage>nate: So many compromises waiting to happen...
01:05<virtual>HedgeMage: s/people administrating anything from//?
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01:05<nate>HedgeMage: In all honesty an idiot administrating from linux could still screw just as much up
01:05<nate>It's not the OS, it's the individual that makes the platform functional
01:05<HedgeMage>"Hey, look how secure my server is! I'm now going to use root login from the most insecure box possible."
01:05<gthutch>starbucks wifi
01:05<gthutch>going to putty in
01:06<HedgeMage>virtual: Meh, I have a win box for games. It's segregated onto a subnet I don't care about, far from anything that matters, and all work happens on Linux or UNIX systems.
01:06<dcraig>why not use SSH at starbucks?
01:06<virtual>HedgeMage: I'm also just teasing. I don't know enough about security to properly discount Windows, but it does scare me.
01:07<nate>HedgeMage: I've had windows as my main desktop for years and years and have never had an actual compromisation of my stuff, and I say that as someone who works around infosec and auditing as well :P
01:07<nate>Main reason admittedly is I game, and I game fairly actively, especially if I have work that's grinding me into a bad mood
01:07<HedgeMage>nate: that you know of...I see people every day with compromised boxes who think they are secure.
01:07<virtual>HedgeMage: Also, I only have Windows for games. But it hasn't been booted in about 9 months. :/
01:08<HedgeMage>virtual: Mine's been a couple of months, too, but meh...the BF I live with is a gamer, as is my son...I try to be social at least occasionally :)
01:08<virtual>HedgeMage: Surely that goes for Unix type boxes too though? But more Windows boxes, so, more users to be compromised?
01:08<nate>HedgeMage: And the same could be technically said for your linux based systems really, none of those people you see every day most likely don't work in the security field however do they
01:08<nate>Again, it's not the OS, it's the individual that makes the platform functional :P
01:08<virtual>nate: I'll still find Windows scary.
01:09<HedgeMage>nate: The overhead of securing Windows is MUCH bigger and more complex than doing the same level on Linux.
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01:10<HedgeMage>nate: While most non-infosec people don't know when their stuff is compromised, the rates I observe of compromise in Windows vs. Mac/UNIX/Linux boxes are incredibly difference.
01:10<HedgeMage>*different (sorry, long night)
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01:11<bros402>Right as I was typing "Huh. My Linode is supposed to be having the Xen Maintenance now, but it is listed as stopped in the manager, but everything else still works" my server went down for the maintenance :P
01:13<HedgeMage>bros402: timing!
01:14<virtual>bros402: :)
01:14<zifnab>i should figure otu when my window is
01:14<bros402>I just hope it doesn't take too long because my dentist got a new dental hygienist who does NOT know how to clean teeth so my mouth is in a lot of pain from the swollen gums of being stabbed and prodded multiple times. Yay
01:15<bros402>And the other admin of the server is on vacation this week :P Just his luck.
01:15<dcraig>how many hedges would a HedgeMage mage if a HedgeMage could mage hedges?
01:15<HedgeMage>dcraig: 42.
01:15<zifnab>bros402: i always cut my tongue after they do that
01:15<zifnab>i have a tooth athat has a sharp edge, it fills in with plaque or something
01:15<zifnab>probably stupidly bad, i should mention it
01:15<Peng>James_T: WoSign!
01:15<bros402>They had to do x-rays today and the plastic thing they put in my mouth always cuts it. It sucks.
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01:16<dcraig>HedgeMage, 42 full-sized hedges?
01:16<zifnab>hopefully they're digital x-rays at least?
01:16<zifnab>i hate the thing sthey use for analog ones
01:16<HedgeMage>dcraig: Of course.
01:16<zifnab>not sure if anyone uses them anymore
01:16<bros402>My mouth is oddly shaped - very... long. So it is difficult for them to reach in the back, so the people who aren't the dentist tend to prod and probe.
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01:16<dcraig>here comes good ol' longmouth
01:17<bros402>Pretty much - longmouth with swollen gums because of meds haha
01:17<bros402>They point an x-ray machine on a swivel at my face, have me put a plastic piece in my mouth, then the x-ray beeps, then it appears on the computer. The dentist switched to digital like five years ago, thankfully
01:17<zifnab>i didn't go to a dentist for close to a decade
01:17<zifnab>they went from having analgo to using digital
01:18<zifnab>in that decade, i was happy
01:18<dcraig>they have electric toothbrushes now, too
01:19<zifnab>downside: my wisdom teeth grew in in that decade
01:19<zifnab>and fucked everything up
01:19<zifnab>oO i have an x-ray somewhere
01:19<bros402>Probably not as much as mine were - they were growing in a way where they would've literally popped other teeth out
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01:20<zifnab>as stated, 'fucked up'
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01:20<dcraig>sittin' sideways
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01:20<zifnab>whats worse? they pulled a chunk of it out 5 months later
01:20<bros402>oh man that one looks almost identical to mine
01:21<zifnab>it hurt like hell
01:21<zifnab>healed over
01:21<zifnab>they had to cut back into it and pull it out
01:21<bros402>I had to get all four extracted in the hospital with outpatient surgery
01:21<bros402>then the oral surgeon forgot to give me anti-biotics
01:21<bros402>or painkillers
01:21<zifnab>i'm allergic to most opiates/fake opiates
01:21<zifnab>they gave me tylenol
01:22<zifnab>something about brownies
01:22<bros402>Luckily I am not. I am just allergic to a whole bunch of nature and amoxicillin - and I can't have a bunch of other meds because of my heart. It was *really* entertaining having my three insurance carriers duke it out over who had to pay for the wisdom tooth extraction.
01:23<bros402>Freaked out the oral surgeon during the surgery when my heart began beating irregularly - he forgot about my heart condition
01:23<zifnab>i avoid anasthesia for that reason
01:24<zifnab>large enough quantities of caffiene do the same thing
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01:24<bros402>Yeah, haven't had caffeine since 2007.
01:24<zifnab>i can have it, its not a big deal
01:24<bros402>Never really liked caffeinated beverages in the first place.
01:24<bros402>The more annoying thing is (well more, was, now) that my stomach has difficult processing high fructose corn syrup - imagine how hard it was to shop for food 10 years ago for me
01:25<zifnab>can you go through the burny thing for the heart problem
01:26<bros402>Nah - it's not that severe
01:26<bros402>just premature ventricular contractions most likely induced by a seizure
01:26<bros402>They were like ~11k a day at first, now they're like 85 a day, unless I am stressed
01:26<zifnab>svt, woo
01:26<zifnab>almost never happens
01:27<zifnab>only got hit with it when i did two all nighters in a row, 12 pack of mt dew in 2 days
01:27<HedgeMage>bros402: I can't have any preservatives other than salt, cinnamon, and citric acid. Food is still...interesting.
01:27<bros402>HedgeMage that sounds interesting - I know a person who cannot have any chocolate - like they will almost go into anaphylactic shock if they eat it
01:27<zifnab>i'm still trying to figure that out
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01:27<bros402>for some reason they will eat a small amount of chocolate every few weeks because they like chocolate
01:27<zifnab>have another gi appointment on the 31st
01:28<HedgeMage>bros402: Mine's a chemical sensitivity, no histamine involved and thus no anaphalaxis, however that has up and down sides.
01:28<zifnab>HedgeMage: out of curiosity how'd they figure that out
01:28<zifnab>i've been dealing with IBS for years, seeing a specialist about it finally
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01:28<HedgeMage>zifnab: By accident, we got mom thought of it by accident...
01:29<HedgeMage>zifnab: Most people with this condition at this severity die in toddlerhood and they only figure it out in the autops.
01:29<bros402>zifnab - I had IBS for years until my dad read an article online that suggested HFCS can cause it - so we tried it and it worked, surprisingly enough
01:29<HedgeMage>zifnab: However, until I was 13 or so, I'd had almost no food except what came from my grandparents' farm, which meant no preservatives.
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01:30<bros402>Better than the first quack GI I went to who said "LYME DISEASE CAUSES STOMACH PAIIIIN" and did a western blot, came back just BARELY positive, so he put me on a massive regimen of meds
01:30<HedgeMage>zifnab: From ages 14-17.5 I just kept getting sicker and sicker and no one could explain it...
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01:30<zifnab>bros402: we're going to do a round of testing for parasites first, then probably a round of some sort of antiparasitics to make sure
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01:31<zifnab>mostly because i also can't gain weight
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01:31<HedgeMage>zifnab: Then one day mom and I were driving home from another Dr. appt. and I said "I haven't been this sick since the day we dissected frogs in biology" (this had been a big thing because everyone said I was squeamish, but I helped with slaughtering on the farm all the time)
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01:32<HedgeMage>zifnab: That's when it with preservatives, working in a fabric store (all new textiles in the US are coated in formaldehyde to prevent dry rot and insect infestation), and so on.
01:32<bros402>zifnab - How much you weigh - I'm a 5'6" 104 lb guy. Yeah.
01:32<zifnab>6'5, 135lbs
01:32<zifnab>haven't put on weight since i was probably 17
01:33<bros402>I lost about 10 lbs after my wisdom tooth extraction last year - 18 days of nothing but soft food
01:34<zifnab>i dont normally advocate marijuana, as its illegal most places
01:34<zifnab>but, tylenol did nothing, i can't have opiates
01:34<bros402>For reference, i'm 24 and when I was 13, I weighed 70 lbs (Was 83 lbs when I was 12, scared my doctors a bit)
01:34<bros402>MMJ is legal in my state, but super strict regs - yay for NJ
01:34<HedgeMage>I have the opposite problem...insanely active, don't lose fat easily...metabolism so slow that until recent treatment for anemia, I went hypothermic whenever I held still for too long (e.g. to sleep at night)
01:34<zifnab>so, friend brought me brownies, i made special brownie milkshakes
01:34<zifnab>and, yeah didn't stop eating while i was recovering
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01:35<HedgeMage>It's hard to burn energy when your body can't be convinced that heating itself is worthwhile. :/
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01:35<zifnab>you poor people
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01:36<bros402>When I went to the doctor a few weeks ago when I was sick, he was like "Wow. Did you know that you are REALLY pale?"
01:36<bros402>I was like "Yeah. I'm normally like that"
01:36<bros402>Then he breathed a sigh of relief and asked if I could get up any of my bloodwork for my neuro on my phone so he could check it
01:36<jouke_>does anyone know anything about an outage in London?
01:36<HedgeMage>Meh, if we could just stick some kind of diode between the two of us and even us out, it wouldn't be bad. ;)
01:37<jouke_>vm down for 30 minutes, reboot job hanging for over 20 minutes, no update from support yet
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01:37<zifnab>jouke_: any chance its your scheduled linode maintenance window?
01:37<zifnab>erm, something about rolling restarts to fix an xsa
01:38*zifnab waits
01:38<+linbot>zifnab: Connection timed out.
01:38<bros402>That would be nice - though I am rather cold all of the time - my cardiac electrophysiologist says it isn't that big a worry since he tests response times and stuff when I see him
01:38<jouke_>yeah, but that node was already restarted yesterday
01:39<zifnab>one sec
01:39<zifnab>at least the speedtest is up
01:40<zifnab>jouke_: might be worth opening a ticket over
01:40<jouke_>already did, but no response yet
01:40<jouke_>but i'll await that reply
01:40<zifnab>they're usually relatively quick
01:41<zifnab>dont think i've ever had a ticket open more than 15min
01:41<bros402>They're probably swamped with the maintenance
01:41<jouke_>16 minutes and counting ;)
01:41<jouke_>first for me as well, so i thought i'd check out irc
01:42<jouke_>normally very very quick
01:43<bros402>I'm just happy the maintenance only took 20 minutes on my linode
01:46<jouke_>support responded and is now working on it
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01:56<zivester>heh.. tried to reboot my server before my window.. can't book it back up
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02:03<zivester>maintenance in progress but my box hasn't been turned off yet... hmm
02:04<zifnab>it'll come
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02:05<zifnab>'requesting all processess to terminate nicely...' 'brutally murder anythign still running by removing everythign it has access to'
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02:14<Peng>Bah, Chinese clipboard fail.
02:14<Peng>Not that my dumb comment mattered eihter way.
02:15<zivester>anyone been migrated yet? is it taking the full 2hours ?
02:15<arlen>you mean restarted?
02:15<arlen>mine took about 15 minutes
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02:17<zivester>mine still says In Progress.. hasn't been restarted or anything yet
02:17<zivester>linode has to initiate the reboot/fix on their own correct? I can't juts reboot my linode
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02:19<zivester>someone was listening... mines off the map now
02:25<zifnab>zivester: its not hte linodes that need rebooting, its the hosts the lindoes live on
02:25<zifnab>so not much you can do
02:25<zifnab>wait, and wait, and wait
02:25<zifnab>i would say 'im waiting for disks to not spin back up', but if your SSDs are spinning you're doing it wrong
02:26<zifnab>wow, why can't i find a gif of spinning ssds
02:26<Kyhwana>zifnab: Gee, I wonder!
02:27<zifnab>i would think someone, somewhere, would put a ssd on a spinning disk of some sort and video it
02:27<zifnab>just for these types of occassions
02:28<zivester>hah if u told me last night i woulda done it
02:28<zivester>i just ripped one apart to demolish
02:28<zivester>i mean admire
02:28<zifnab>damn it
02:28<zifnab>i have an old fan and ssd somewhere, might just make it happen
02:31<Meyer^>you could call it spinning flash
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02:34<zifnab>that will just have to do
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02:35<zifnab>related: there is a purple PT cruiser in town that has spinners
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02:56<gthutch>Weird question - so I have two domains currently, let's say and Uploaded wordpress files into and it just pops up to download a file called "download", which when opened in notepad appears to be php from wordpress. But if I upload it to it loads up the setup wizard fine o_O
02:56<gthutch>I'm thinking maybe I setup the virtual hosts wrong with the second domain?
02:57<gthutch>Or some kinda config file to read php or something, I dunno
03:01<Kyhwana>gthutch: do you hae the webserver actually passing that to your php interpreter?
03:01<gthutch>I don't know...
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03:02<Kyhwana>Do you have PHP-fpm or whatever it is these days setup?
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03:07<gthutch>I don't remember setting it up initially or anything but PHP is working on the so I assumed everything was okay
03:08<Kyhwana>gthutch: did you setup domain2 the same way as domain1?
03:08<gthutch>Yes I thought so
03:08<gthutch>Only thing different is the server block files
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03:09<Kyhwana>gthutch: .. yes, how are they different? Is domain1 a wordpress install as well?
03:10<gthutch>It isn't intended to be but I added folder to test it and the setup page loads fine
03:10<gthutch>Exact same content in and
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03:11<gthutch>I didn't even edit the wp-config-sample file since you can do that via the setup page
03:11<gthutch>So literally the exact same files
03:11<gthutch>So its /srv/ and /srv/
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03:14<Kyhwana>any errors in your logs?
03:14<gthutch>I'll check
03:14<gthutch>Also nginx won't restart now
03:14<gthutch>it failed
03:15<gthutch>using /etc/init.d/nginx restart
03:15<Kyhwana>.. check your error logs
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03:18<gthutch>checked php5-fpm logs first, nothing but successful configuration msg
03:18<gthutch>nothing in mysql log
03:21<+linbot>New news from forum: Node Meta Data Service in General Discussion <> || Can't log in after update in General Discussion <>
03:22<gthutch>nginx: [emerg] "location" directive is not allowed here in /etc/nginx/sites-enab led/ nginx: configuration file /etc/nginx/nginx.conf test failed
03:23<gthutch>fixed that, now nginx restarted fine
03:31<+linbot>New news from forum: Site/server is getting very slow, any help please? in General Discussion <>
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04:13<PK>Does the IP address of the linode change when we shift it from one datacenter to another? I am asking this because we will be purchasing cpanel license from and they need a staict ip. And how will nodebalancer work with cpanel?
04:13<virtual>PK, yes.
04:13<virtual>Each datacentre has its own set of IP ranges.
04:14<virtual>regarding nodebalancer + cpanel, no idea. How would cpanel work with any loadbalancer, does it have docs about that?
04:15<PK>no it doesnot
04:16<PK>is it necessary to use cpanel? if i am beginner
04:16<virtual>That's a choice only you can make, I think.
04:16<PK>any alternative for cpanel
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04:16<tonyyarusso>PK: Reading documentation :)
04:17<virtual>I don't know enough about cpanel to know what the competitors might be, sorry.
04:17<PK>whoes doc?
04:17<tonyyarusso>Whatever software you're trying to use.
04:17<virtual>That's a cheeky alternative to cpanel. :P
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04:17<PK>i am using wordpress
04:18<tonyyarusso>What are you hoping to accomplish with cpanel exactly?
04:19<PK>i am not good at server commands so i thought a control panel would be needed
04:19<tonyyarusso>I get that a lot of people think they need it, and if you want to use it that's certainly fine, but personally I think you'd probably be better off learning how to do without.
04:19<PK>i just want to host my wordpress site.
04:20<PK>thats it.. and also manage mails that are sent from wordpress
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04:22<tonyyarusso>Have you seen the Linode Library, with tutorials like ?
04:23<PK>nop checking
04:24<PK>yes i have followed this to create my site.
04:25<PK>but then i had a issue.. my Database (mySQL) use to go offline i.e. i use to get an error of "database establition error"
04:26<PK>then i started using - ajenti (server managing open source software )
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04:29<PK>koi hai?
04:30<virtual>PK: Not sure what your question is.
04:33<PK>On Linode mySQL database service use to shut down. So when i use to open my website i was displayed a message - "database establishing error". Then when i use to restart my linode.. this error use to vanish. but again after some time (min) it use to gove same error
04:34<PK>it use to give same error. then i installed ajenti (free & open source alternative to cpanel)
04:34<PK>that has fixed this error for permenent now
04:35<PK>but ajenti doesnot provide support.. n i need support in future hence i decided to go with cpanel.
04:35<PK>but cpanel wont support node balancer
04:37<virtual>What sort of support do you need?
04:39<PK>in anything goes worng
04:39<PK>how will i fix it
04:39<virtual>Hmm, not sure cpanel would support you 'if anything went wrong'. They might support you if some specific things went wrong though.
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04:40<virtual>But, if they've convinved you that they will support you, then I guess they will.
04:43<PK>no they have not said such
04:45<virtual>Sounds like you should do what tonyyarusso suggested. :)
04:46<virtual>You may need to hire the services of a sysadmin in the early stages, while you're still learning.
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04:48<PK>oh.. system admin
04:48<PK>means someone who have os and server knowledge?
04:50<Ikaros>The person who knows their stuff. Indeed.
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04:56<PK>have u heard about
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05:03<PK>so what are ur suggestions? i will go without control panel or not?
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05:06<virtual>PK: I can't tell you that. I personally don't use control panels. But, I'm happy on the command line, and can at least investigate when things break.
05:06<virtual>I also realise where my knowledge is lacking, and can pay(*) someone to help me.
05:06<PK>i will also start same
05:06<virtual>* payment could be a barter of services.
05:07<PK>thats nice idea
05:07<virtual>So, really, it's up to you. What's the risk to your business if something you do breaks your server?
05:08<virtual>I will say one thing though - never forget about backups and think 'I'll do them later'. Do them automatically, and from the beginning. :)
05:08<virtual>It's effort really well spent.
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05:12<PK>we can backup linode on another datacenter right?
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05:12<virtual>You mean, via Linode's backup server? I'm not actually sure. I don't use it.
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06:05<PK>node balancer
06:05<PK>can only support 10000 connections ? after that?
06:08<Yaakov>You need another one.
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06:09<PK>on means 2 node balancer can support 20K connections
06:10<Yaakov>You have to have a strategy to feed them, but so far as I understand it that's how you scale.
06:11<Yaakov>It depends on why you are using the node balancers. For example, if you are using them for traffic, rather than HA, you could round-robin the DNS on the balancers.
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06:11<Yaakov>But 10.000 concurrent connections is a lot.
06:12<Yaakov>Expecially if you don't use keep alive. My suggestion is to email Linode with a use case description and ask for advice on implementation.
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06:32<+linbot>New news from forum: Linode High CPU Usage in Performance and Tuning <>
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06:59<edwin2015>Is there anybody willing to give me a hand trying to set up a vnc connection to ubuntu gui
07:00<Cromulent>edwin2015: why not just use X11 forwarding in SSH?
07:00<edwin2015>I tried but coudn't get the gui on my desktop
07:01<edwin2015>do you think it would be easier that way?
07:02<+linbot>New news from forum: Why so much spam? in General Discussion <>
07:02<Cromulent>I couldn't say - I've never used VNC so can't compare them
07:03<edwin2015>I followed the tutorial from linode. Is there any better guide for X11 forwarding?
07:03<Cromulent>edwin2015: try this
07:04<edwin2015>ok, thank you very much
07:04<Donatello>You guys at Linode should have gone for a second round of scheduled maintenance instead of working on hosts randomly throughout the day.
07:04<Cromulent>edwin2015: for future reference the Arch Linux wiki is normally very good (even if you are not running Arch Linux)
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07:06<hiImNew>dat op list
07:07<hiImNew>seems crowded which is nice
07:07<Cromulent>ops are Linode staff
07:07<HoopyCat>really should be listed as a benefit on
07:08<hiImNew>alright I would ask for a help
07:08<+linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
07:08<hiImNew>thanks ^_
07:09<hiImNew>I had used a promotion code while signing up "LINODE10"
07:09<hiImNew>But still I have $5 in my account
07:12<HoopyCat>(somewhere, there's a question here, i just know it)
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07:23<hariom>Can you please me about Linode cloud pricing?
07:24<hariom>I checked it.
07:24<hariom>Now i have some question?
07:24<+linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
07:25<hariom>Currently we have took the service from Rackspace.
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07:25<hariom>We have default space 40GB
07:25<Cromulent>I'd love to have two of these in my home workstation for 56 CPU cores :)
07:26<hariom>and additionally purchased 100GB
07:27<hariom>Than We pay $70 to $90 Per month average.
07:28<hariom>If we purchase Linode service than what will be casting?
07:28<Cromulent>hariom: the pricing is on the pricing page which I already showed you
07:29<Cromulent>hariom: Linode don't offer the option of allowing you to add additional storage to your linode
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07:29<Cromulent>hariom: you have to upgrade the plan to get more storage
07:29<nate>Cromulent: Technically you can, under the extras, but it's fairly pricy
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07:29<nate>$1 per GB
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07:29<Cromulent>nate: extras don't exist for new customers
07:30<nate>Cromulent: Oh, well, then
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07:30<nate>not that I'd ever get it at that price
07:30<Cromulent>hariom: for that amount of storage it would cost you $80 a month
07:30<nate>hariom: out of curiousity, what's the storage space for?
07:31*nate wonders if it's not something perhaps better suited for a CDN service
07:32<hariom>ok 100GB approx.
07:32<Cromulent>hariom: 96GB is $40
07:33<Cromulent>hariom: but of course you'd know all of this because it is all on the pricing page...
07:33<hariom>After >96GB
07:33<Cromulent>hariom: look at the damn pricing page I'm not going to do it all for you
07:33<hariom>ok great
07:34<hariom>Now i want to know about cloud backup plan
07:34<+linbot>You should probably have backups. If you don't want to set up your own, use the Linode Backup Service:
07:34<hariom>I just checked
07:35<hariom>Nothing to show at
07:35<hariom>Simply showing "Welcome to nginx!"
07:36<hariom>Can you please explain about backup plans?
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07:38<hariom>Our monthly backup approx 120GB
07:38<hariom>So, what would cast?
07:38<Cromulent>read the link
07:38<Cromulent>it tells you exactly what it would cost
07:40<hariom>I've checked for 96GB service.
07:40<hariom>Linode 4GB: $10.00/month
07:41<hariom>I have not understood this price
07:41<hariom>I meant
07:41<@drussell>Linode 4GB == $40/mo
07:42<hariom>No no
07:42<@drussell>Oh, you mean for backups
07:42<hariom>for backup price
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07:42<@drussell>Yes. Correct.
07:42<@drussell>And if you're looking for the price for 96GB's backups, click "View Larger Plans" under the four that's on there.
07:43<@drussell>The Backup Service is priced per Linode, not the size of the disk images <3
07:43<hariom>Than what will be approx price for our 120GB storage space
07:43<@drussell>So if you have a 4GB Linode, you have the 4GB Backup Service cost
07:44<hariom>If we purchase 4GB Linode service in $40 right?
07:44<@drussell>4GB Linode + Backups = $50/mo
07:45<hariom>ok what will the backup storage limit
07:45<@drussell>It'll backup the entire Linode.
07:45<@drussell>So the Linode plan and the Backup plan -- they correspond
07:46<@drussell>a 4GB Backup plan will backup the entire 4GB Linode plan.
07:46<@drussell>So the size of your backup plan depends on the Linode size.
07:46<@drussell>You have a 1GB Linode, you have a 1GB Backup
07:46<@drussell>You have a 2GB Linode plan, you have the 2GB Backup plan
07:46<hariom>I want take back per day each running individual project.
07:46<@drussell>Well, you can enable the Backup Service on each Linode you have
07:47<@drussell>but the Backup it takes will be of the whole Linode, collectively, not selected files.
07:47<hariom>No no
07:47<@drussell>That's how it works.
07:47<hariom>I want only current running project.
07:47<Cromulent>hariom: it backs up the whole Linode
07:47<hariom>For example:
07:48<@drussell>That's not an option. You can't choose which files you backup. Your entire Linode will get backed up with the Backup Service.
07:48<hariom>I give you an example
07:48<hariom>I have 50 total projects at Linode server.
07:49<hariom>But currently running projects are only 10
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07:49<hariom>Than why i take whole server backup every day.
07:49<@drussell>Because that's what the Backup Service does.
07:50<hariom>I just want only 10 projects at the evening.
07:50<hariom>What you understand?
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07:51<hariom>@drussell are you here?
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07:51<@jstewart>hariom: our backups cannot access individual files within your Linode, the entire disk image would be backed up. If you need to do more specific backups, you will have to configure a different backup solution.
07:52<hariom>What will be different backup solution from Linode server side?
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07:52<Cromulent>hariom: one you do yourself
07:52<hariom>or you want manual backup
07:52<Scott__>Our web servers seem to be down.
07:52<hariom>Means Manually backup
07:52<hiImNew>any idea abt my issue
07:53<@jstewart>hariom: Full disk backups are the only backup solution that you can purchase from us. If you want some recommendations for configuring your own backups, you can view recommendations here.
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07:57<Cromulent>does anyone know a good place to buy DDR4 ECC RAM?
07:59<Cromulent>thanks - shame they are in the US though
07:59<@drussell>Cromulent: Australia, UK? Where are you from? :p
07:59<@jstewart>Cromulent: where are you shopping?
07:59<Cromulent>oh sorry :) UK
07:59<Cromulent>heh cool I never knew they sold in the UK - that is very handy
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08:03<Cromulent>not bad £283 for 32GB
08:04<@drussell>NewEgg is usually pretty good.
08:04<Cromulent>yeah looks it - I normally buy my stuff from but they are more consumer orientated and I'm looking to build a dual CPU Xeon workstation
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08:08<warewolf>networking was a little borked on my linode post-maintenance last night.
08:08<warewolf> /etc/hostname appeared to be overwritten, and my daemons trying to bind to interfaces came up before the interfaces came up.
08:08<warewolf>Sounds like 90% a pebkac problem, but ... weird.
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08:13<hariom>Ok great. Thanks for all.
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09:34<+linbot>New news from forum: Can't log in after update in General Discussion <> || Best way to archive & delete an old filesystem? in General Discussion <> || yum updates incredibly slow, only on Linode in Linux Networking <> || Added file to /var/www/html/ but not show
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09:41<newtlabs>Hello there!
09:41<newtlabs>Any body can help with a simple doubt?
09:42<+linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
09:42<newtlabs>Hey @caker
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09:43<newtlabs>I'm trying to access some information on my linode console, but every time he asks me to re-authenticate, after I put my password, it says the authentication failed.
09:44<newtlabs>Any tip how can I solve that?
09:45<@caker>how are you accessing the console?
09:45<newtlabs>Yes, using the web.
09:45<newtlabs>Not the terminal.
09:45<@caker>ok - can you try Lish via ssh instead?
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09:46<newtlabs>I can try, not sure about the commands that I need to put there.
09:47<newtlabs>Just a min
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09:50<newtlabs>@caker, I'm getting permission denied.
09:51<newtlabs>Yesterday at night I was with my developer, trying the same.
09:51<@caker>can you pastebin a session, so we can see? ?
09:51<+linbot>Please paste longer snippets over at and not in the channel
09:51<newtlabs>We needed to shutdown the linode, set a new password and them try again.
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09:52<@caker>lish password is your Linode manager password. Once you connect to the console, then it's accounts on your Linode itself (getty)
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09:53<newtlabs>Tesla it's my new Macbook Pro, maybe I need to set new RSA Keys first.
09:55<buhman>newtlabs: is 'bnar' your manager username?
09:55<akerl>And you're using your Linode Manager password?
09:56<akerl>Either one of those isn't true or you've disabled password auth for Lish, in the Manager's "Account" tab
09:57<newtlabs>I wish I could verify that, but every time I try to access any of the sub tabs on the account panel, I failed to authenticate.
09:57<newtlabs>Let me try again.
09:57<akerl>So you're using the wrong Linode Manager password
09:57<buhman>newtlabs: it sounds like you don't know your Linode Manager password
09:58<newtlabs>Hmm. Maybe my IT guy have changed it. Any way that I can reset it?
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09:59<akerl>You'd probably be better served by talking to your IT guy and having him set you up with your own user
09:59<newtlabs>That will change the login password as well?
09:59<akerl>For SSH? no
10:00<newtlabs>Ok, but for my account yes, right?
10:00<newtlabs>I mean... bnar
10:00<@caker>for Linode Manager and lish-via-ssh <-- yes
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10:09<newtlabs>Thanks @caker, waiting for the email to set a new password
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10:31<v0lksman>any idea why a node on a host that was updated last night for the XSA fiasco is taking over 5 minutes to force a reboot from the dash?
10:32<akerl>Is it taking 5 minutes or is it taking 2 minutes since the job actually began running?
10:32<v0lksman>Entered: 6 minutes 6 seconds ago - Took: 3 minutes, 26 seconds
10:32<v0lksman>still running
10:32<v0lksman>no lish output
10:33<akerl>may want to put in a ticket
10:36<v0lksman>@staff newark928 seems borked
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10:38<zackiv31>oyy.. sites been down for an hour now, client no happy :( something didn't work with this upgrade it seems...
10:38<v0lksman>oh man
10:38<zackiv31>why i didn't want to do my clients site before my personal one.. yay scheduled maintenance
10:38<v0lksman>this does not bode well
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10:53<yarrumk>can anyone give a url to give our client peace of mind on linode ISO certification~?
10:54<gbit>v0lksman: you are still in newark849? remember that hardware issue? It happens other times before, since I moved somewhere else is running fine.
10:55<v0lksman>gbit: not aware of any hardware issue or migrations needed
10:55<v0lksman>there it is
10:55<v0lksman>7 days ago
10:56<gbit>yeah jump to another one
10:56<v0lksman>last backup was 2 hours ago
11:00<yarrumk>iso reference?
11:01<akerl>yarrumk: Which ISO
11:01<yarrumk>@akerl 27001
11:01<yarrumk>I'm looking for a url I can pass to or client so its not just me saying that linode have it
11:02<akerl>What makes you think Linode has it?
11:02<yarrumk>they've told us they do
11:02<akerl>Well then you probably want to ask them for the copy
11:02<v0lksman>I believe there is a fire in the back room so staff are quite quiet right now
11:03<akerl>v0lksman: doubtful
11:03<yarrumk>uh huh, UI thought thats what I was doing on their IRC channel :-/
11:04<v0lksman>typical response to tickets and IRC cat calls are usually a couple minutes...It's been about 45 since I've been asking for attention
11:04<akerl>"IRC cat calls" are my new favorite term
11:04<akerl>Because they're as abrasive and likely to succeed as most other kinds of "cat calling"
11:04<v0lksman>just remember to give credit...I want to be internet famous
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11:08<v0lksman>i got assigned 929...I'm nervous by association
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11:10<v0lksman>gbit: said 849 but I'm on 928...moving to 929.
11:11<gbit>v0lksman: allright
11:11<v0lksman>but there was a hw ticket opened for 928 7 days ago
11:11<v0lksman>(and closed)
11:12<v0lksman>but moving anyways...
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11:13<zackiv31>I'm on newark894 which seems to still be down... ugh
11:13<gbit>yeah, everyone knows that hardware fail, there is no shame to move us somewhere else
11:14<akerl>There are so many assumptions baked into that idea
11:15<gbit>akerl: pizza time!
11:17<akerl>The primary assumption is that a fault that requires maintenance indicates a future recurrence of the same or similar fault. If there's a fault that does indicate that, Linode does move people to other hardware. But if the fault doesn't suggest future recurrence, a migration causes extra downtime without improving future outcomes
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11:27<fr3em1nd>ha nerds, thanks for letting mo know linode still works lol
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11:52<zackiv31>catastrophic failure and all data was lost...... thats nice
11:52<zackiv31>am I the only one on this linode
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11:55<atrus>zackiv31: er, what?
11:58<zackiv31>"It is with great regret that I must inform you that our attempt to recover your data from Newark894 has been unsuccessful. ... all data was lost"
11:58<zackiv31>reverting to backup
11:58<atrus>that's kind of scary
11:59<atrus>you have a backup though at least?
12:00<zackiv31>yah I pay for the backup service, site is back up.. just trying to figure out from how long ago it was taken
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12:13<zackiv31>where are backups listed? after a restore I can't see any listed on the /linodes/backups/ area
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12:15<monolito>hi guys, is there a way to have 2 addresses working with google apps for their interface and other users through a normal hosting account? should I be doing this through MX entries?
12:15<monolito>I'm wondering if it's actually possible, never tried it before
12:16<MajObviousman>has anyone here tried Deis?
12:17<MajObviousman>github : gitlab :: heroku : deis
12:17<MajObviousman>just wondering if it's full of fail or actually does what it claims to
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12:22<kimauclair>Hi there, On March 3rd, we received an alert, our server rebooted. Looking at the dashboard (linode), I see this message: Host initiated restart
12:23<kimauclair>That is in the "Host Job Queue".....
12:23<kimauclair>Why is that ?
12:23<kimauclair>It only took 9 seconds, but we didn't received any previous notice about this....
12:23<psandin>because the physical host it's on rebooted
12:23<Meyer^>kimauclair: Most likely due to:
12:24<kimauclair>was this adverted by email ? Or just the blog ?
12:24<kimauclair>Because I didn't received anything...
12:24<kimauclair>by email.
12:24<Meyer^>kimauclair: I have received emails with this information too
12:24<akerl>kimauclair: Look at your tickets
12:24<kimauclair>OK. I will check my mail logs then.
12:25<akerl>Note: all tickets are sent via email
12:25<kimauclair>Thank you for the information.
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12:32<rovo>Crazy question... are Dockers used more or less as a replacement to Images?
12:32<akerl>Linode Images?
12:32<akerl>like ?
12:33<akerl>they're two totally different things
12:33<rovo>I dont get it then
12:33<rovo>A docker contains everything an Image does right?
12:33<akerl>One lets you manipulate images of your VM. The other is a containerization daemont that runs on your server and lets you manipulate and run containers
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12:34<akerl>For starters, you're in charge of running and administering the docker daemon, whereas Linode takes care of the host your VM runs on. For another, docker containers do not have security guarantees that VMs provide (for the most part)
12:34<akerl>Containers also share a kernel, where VMs do not, and they're manipulated in entirely different ways
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12:44<Eugene>Docking Nodes
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12:47<rovo>akerl: ok...alll very good to know then
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12:57<Harnssen>Hi Support
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14:14<Guest615>which datacenter do you think is best in order to serve well both the us and europe? (i have roughly 50% users in europe and 50% in us)... us east? or london?
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14:16<Guest615>akerl: i am in europe and so for me london would be better, but i'm concerning my users, and i can't ask them to try the speedtest and send me the result :D
14:17<akerl>Why not?
14:18<Guest615>it's not very professional
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14:19<akerl>Then pick London
14:19<rovo>akerl: i tried upgrading my 10.04 ubuntu to 12 this went ok...only thing, I'm currently running purely nginx, after the update, I couldn't get nginx to work anymore
14:19<akerl>rovo: Why not?
14:19<Ttech>Also shouldn't you be migrating to something newer then 12.04?
14:20<akerl>Ttech: One hop at a time
14:20<akerl>And 12.04 is still supported for a while
14:20<rovo>Ttech: well yes, but I thought maybe an incremental update first might be easier on me
14:20<akerl>do-release-upgrade is an incremental process
14:20<rovo>thats what i did, do-release-upgrade
14:21<rovo>so i was tempted to just ditch nginx and switch back to apache
14:21<rovo>the other major issue i had was, the do-release-upgrade installed and setup postgres...
14:21<rovo>nothing against postgres...but im all setup with mariadb at the moment
14:21<akerl>rovo: It would only do that if something you have installed depends on postgres
14:22<akerl>do-release-upgrade is just some cute wrapper scripting around "change your sources for apt to point to the new Ubuntu version and apt-get upgrade a lot"
14:22<rovo> wondering if there is something lighter i can do
14:23<rovo>like not as shotgun like
14:23<akerl>Lighter than what?
14:23<rovo>even more incremental :)
14:23<akerl>No, that's what you want to do
14:24<rovo>hm..well so throughout the upgrade I told it to leave all my scripts in tact instead of replacing with the newer you think that was the best thing to do?
14:24<akerl>Did you check what it wanted to change about them?
14:24<rovo>in a couple of instances, but otherwise i just figured leave them alone
14:25<akerl>Well then "no idea"
14:25<rovo>ah ok :)
14:25<rovo>Alright, i better give it another shot hten
14:25<akerl>give what another shot?
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14:25<rovo>the upgrade
14:25<akerl>it sounds like it worked
14:26<rovo>it did work, but I couldn't get nginx to load or mysql
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14:26<gthutch>Server keeps refusing my key despite I just copy and pasted it into the authorized_keys
14:27<gthutch>Using this guide
14:27<rovo>one other question, while I'm working on this cloned Linode, at a new IP...any idea what a server block would look like that will allow me to pull up in the browser my website at the ip address?
14:27<akerl>rovo: DId you consider checking your logs?
14:27<crystal77>Is there an API for pushing those "Hardware Issue Detected" notices? Currently scraping e-mails
14:27<rovo>akerl: logs...of course
14:27<rovo>i will read up on them
14:27<akerl>crystal77: You mean for checking whether you have a ticket opened?
14:28<crystal77>We receive an e-mail once hardware goes down, instead of having to scrape those e-mails in real-time, it'd be cool to poll the API or something
14:28<crystal77>So we can alert the team
14:28<crystal77>Otherwise it's a super manual process :/
14:28<akerl>That said, the email is from a ticket, and you can control where the ticket goes, so why not send the ticket to a special inbox that is solely for Linode tickets?
14:28<akerl>That way your robot or people or whatever can just know "things that hit this inbox are infra alerts"
14:29<akerl>Could probably even point it directly at pagerduty or similar
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14:31<gthutch>I downloaded and opened the authorized_keys file and it shows the exact same thing I've got too, I can't think of why it would refuse
14:32<crystal77>akerl: How would I differentiate between "hardware down" and "it's back up?" I'd still need to scan/scrape ;)
14:32<akerl>gthutch: Which user are you SSHing as?
14:32<akerl>crystal77: I'd recommend not
14:32<gthutch>main user account but not root account
14:33<akerl>I'd recommend any change to a ticket being an alert-generating event, because the text is not always static and so you want to have a human reading it
14:33<akerl>Would hate to not scrape "Yo brotato all your bits are now upside down, make sure to account for that"
14:33<akerl>gthutch: What's the username?
14:33<akerl>Trying to make my recommendation easier :)
14:34<gthutch>i tried with root though
14:34<gthutch>and it worked
14:34<gthutch>but of course i wnat to disable root login
14:34<akerl>gthutch: Pastebin `ssh -vv` and `tail -n30 /var/log/auth.log` and `ls -la /home/caesar/.ssh` and `cat /home/caesar/.ssh/authorized_keys`
14:34<akerl>The first of those from your client, the other 3 run as root on the Linode
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14:36<v0lksman>gthutch: PermitRootLogin no in your /etc/ssh/sshd_config
14:36<gthutch>yeah i've learned that much, i was just saying problem resolved with root login but i cant keep it enabled
14:37<v0lksman>sorry...I didn't scroll back far enough
14:37<gthutch>accepts public key w/ root login, not with main users
14:37<v0lksman>then listen to akerl
14:37<akerl>It sounds like you set up your key in /root/.ssh/authorized_keys but not in /home/caesar/.ssh/authorized_keys
14:37<gthutch>sounds like it
14:37<gthutch>ls -la /home/caesar/.ssh
14:37<gthutch>found nothing
14:38<gthutch>i just ran it as you typed it
14:38<akerl>Well that'd do it :P
14:38<akerl>`su - caesar`, then set up your user's .ssh/authorized_keys
14:39<gthutch>working great now
14:39<gthutch>so once i turn off password authentication, no one can login via SSH without this key?
14:40<gthutch>is that right?
14:41<akerl>Once you turn off PasswordAuthentication and restart sshd, nobody will be able to use PasswordAuthentication
14:42<gthutch>leaving the key as the only option?
14:42<akerl>Depends what else you have enabled
14:42<akerl>There's all kinds of fun SSH auth
14:42<rovo>oh wow, so you can totally swap IPs between linodes cloned
14:42<Kyhwana>rovo: yes
14:42<akerl>rovo: Yes, pretty sure we told you that last night :P
14:42<gthutch>and also is the sshd_config file where i can change SSH port from 22?
14:42<crystal77>Wait. So there isn't even an API method to get a list of all open tickets?
14:43<gthutch>i see it says port 22 at the top but dont wanna change it without confirmation lol
14:43<akerl>gthutch: Sure
14:43<rovo>yeah, but it was greyed out last night
14:43<akerl>crystal77: Correct
14:43<akerl>rovo: Were the two Linodes you had in different datacenters?
14:43<rovo>maybe cause i was on different DC ?
14:43<crystal77>Ouch. :/
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14:51<v0lksman>wow clone times are way longer than backup times?
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14:53<rovo>im performing the ubuntu upgrade...and i read the detail of packages being removed and added...when i get to the end it says (END) do i get out of this without canceling the upgrade?
14:54<rovo>last time think i just hit control+c but that booted me out of the whole upgrade process
14:55<akerl>v0lksman: Backups are file-level and incremental. Clones are bit-for-bit
14:55<akerl>rovo: If the prompt doesn't offer a way, then those are your options
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14:57<rovo>ok, i did it...ctrl + c , then i clicked to resurrect the session
14:57<rovo>i dont know if that was the best way, but worked this time
14:57<avenj>(END) like ... you're in less? 'q' perhaps ?
14:58<rovo>ohh...hmm i'll try q next time
14:59<v0lksman>akerl: makes sense...thanks
15:00<rovo>avenj: your a genius
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15:02<farmeraaron>Im trying to restore a backup of a node and it says "-- not enough free space --"
15:03<akerl>You should probably free up some space
15:03<v0lksman>if I clone the configuration profile does it clone the attached disks?
15:03<akerl>Restores don't delete/touch/move/shrink your existing disks, so if the size of the things you're restoring exceeds free space, you need to remove/shrink/etc your existing disks first
15:03<akerl>v0lksman: If you pick a config profile, it auto-selects the disks that it uses, yes
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15:04<farmeraaron>ok so if I jut drop my existing disk and then restore I should be good to go?
15:04<v0lksman>perfect. so buy a new node, clone the config profile to new node and it will take the disks with it. Boot up new and presto?!
15:07<akerl>Well, new node has a new IP
15:07<akerl>farmeraaron: Sure
15:07<v0lksman>right...swap ips and then presto!
15:11<rovo>akerl: upgrade aborted
15:11<rovo>i see the error now
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15:19<rovo>ok. so my server upgraded afterall,
15:21<trippeh>when will we get bgp sessions on linode? :-D
15:22<akerl>You're welcome to run exabgp if you'd like
15:25<rovo>akerl: checked my log...nginx is trying to bind to my previous IP!
15:26<akerl>Well yea, don't do that :P
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15:33<rovo>is that IP bind error just being picked up from my sites-available?
15:33<akerl>From wherever you have the wrong IP listed in nginx's conf
15:33<akerl>the error should say
15:33<rovo>the error doesnt
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15:34<gparent>just grep for that IP in your vhosts
15:35<gparent>if it's there you'll see it, if not, maybe you forgot a reload or something
15:35<gparent>well not if you're starting it, oops, but yeah grep should find the offending line.
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15:48<rovo>gparent: thanks...that helped
15:48<rovo>but i still cant get nginx to start...i think maybe that error wasn't causing the issue
15:50<farmeraaron>Hmm I restored the node and now my FTP information doesnt seem to work?
15:50<Peng>A failure to bind to an IP does prevent Nginx from starting. Maybe you have other issues as well. What error messages/logs do you get now?
15:50<akerl>farmeraaron: A) sounds like you should check your logs, B) sounds like you shouldn't use FTP
15:50<akerl>Peng: Pretty sure it will
15:51<akerl>If you tell nginx to bind on an IP and it cannot, that's a fatal error
15:51<akerl>ah, misread, ignore me
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16:02<Cromulent>yay my website is worth $2,190 according to a rather dubious website valuation tool
16:03<akerl>How much is that in bitcoins
16:03<Cromulent>err no idea
16:03<buhman>ooh look
16:03<Cromulent>thing is I've never done any SEO or advertising or anything for that site
16:03<buhman>google does btc currency conversions now
16:06<rovo>akerl: and a binding declaration would basically just be coming from my sites-enabled?
16:07<rovo>i've unincluded them for now, but still it won't start
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16:07<akerl>It would be coming from somewhere
16:07<akerl>Check your configs
16:07<rovo>i've combed through and narrowed nginx down to only run nginx.cong
16:07<akerl>As somebody above said, greping for the IP it's failing to bind to should be pretty easy
16:08<MajObviousman>you didn't happen to compile this copy of nginx by yourself, did you?
16:08<MajObviousman>are you using your distribution-supplied package?
16:08<rovo>but for instance if i do 'service nginx start' or reload or just goes to another prompt with no response
16:09<rovo>maybe i am not
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16:09*MajObviousman waits for the tor-kick
16:09<rovo>that very well could be whats going on
16:09<mark>does linode take paypal?
16:09<akerl>rovo: I'd strongly suggest checking your logs, making sure the timestamps actually match, that nginx is actually not running
16:09<akerl>mark: No
16:10<buhman>mark: you can use a paypal debit card if you'd like to use your paypal balance.
16:10<mark>roger that.
16:11<rovo>if i run service --status-all , i get a negative sign in front of nginx
16:11<akerl>rovo: Pastebin your Nginx logs, `ps aux |grep nginx`, `netstat -lpn`, and your nginx.conf?
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16:12<v0lksman>not scrolling back, just budding apache2 running?
16:12<rovo>thats been stopped
16:13<v0lksman>netstat -tapn > gist
16:13<v0lksman>carry on
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16:14<v0lksman>just looking for the low hanging fruit
16:14<rovo>for sure...that actually got me the first few minutes
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16:15<v0lksman>and have we already run nginx -t ?
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16:15<rovo>thats the weird thing...says command not found
16:15<v0lksman>oh boy
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16:16<v0lksman>even as unpriv user you should at least see the executable
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16:17<rovo>maybe i have the wrong nginx packages installed
16:17<v0lksman>it's not
16:18<v0lksman>apt-get install nginx
16:18<v0lksman>(ubuntu/debian land)
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16:22<rovo>v0lksman: i can't smack my forehead hard enough
16:22<rovo>it's not possible
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16:23<Kyhwana>oop, ARIN down to .33 /8's
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16:30<rovo>it's working!
16:30<rovo>alby darn
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16:35<rovo> Thank You
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17:09<Cromulent>hmm strange - when I ping the IP address it gets back is which has an rDNS of which is my ISP
17:09<Cromulent>sounds like they are doing something dodgy
17:10<v0lksman>is it possible to port private ips to another node?
17:10<v0lksman>I just restored from backups to a new node and swapped public ips but the privates are not movable from what I can tell
17:11<v0lksman>since both boxes know each other and auth each other by IP (and...) this posses a problem for recovery
17:11<buhman>v0lksman: you could ask support to do it, if desired.
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17:12<v0lksman>they seem understandibly busy right now...
17:12<buhman>the struggle
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17:18<pronto>lol;i know the person who owns
17:19<pronto>didn't know he was crazy enough to run a tor exit
17:20<Kyhwana>Cromulent: can you access google via https with no warnings? (in chrome) O.o
17:25<Peng>Anything interesting if you Google hte IP?
17:25<atrus>Cromulent: to me, that kind of looks like it could be the hostname/ip of a *customer* of your isp, as opposed to your actual ISP necessarily
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17:42<v0lksman>any staffers I know you are busy but you didn't provide us with a tool for this (and i think the current one is broken) 4337230
17:42<rovo>Have you guys seen a way to set a server block to listen to an IP+folder so that I can access one IP that points to different folders on my serveR?
17:43<rovo>im not sure if something like this is possible 'listen'
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17:46<+linbot>New news from forum: How to disable backup on a linode? in Sales Questions and Answers <>
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17:51<blindsight>Apparently I can't provision my new VM due to "Disk create from Distribution" failures. Happens with every distro. Any info on this?
17:52<@caker>blindsight: the host was so busy that it couldn't keep up from people deploying over and over again. Kindly open a ticket and we'll get you fixed up -
17:53<blindsight>I did, about 45 minutes ago :p
17:53<gparent>They will get to it eventually, just like other tickets in front of you :)
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17:56<Kyhwana>rovo: not really, but you can always just use symlinks instead the webroot
17:56<Kyhwana>or alias /foo to /var/www/foo2
17:56<Kyhwana>(in nginx, it's "location" blocks
17:56<+linbot>New news from forum: How to disable backup on a linode? in Sales Questions and Answers <>
17:56<rovo>Kyhwana: trying to test a bunch of sites in my /var/www/*
17:57<Kyhwana>rovo: use the fqdn's and virtualhosts instead?
17:57<rovo>without adjust my DNS records
17:57<gparent>hosts file for temporary stuff works well
17:57<gparent>then you specify the vhost as if the domain actually existed
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18:00<James_T>When will the caker's bathroom dc be launched?
18:00<rovo>thats what I'm thikning..but was hoping somehow in the server block i could declare at the Listen statement a path or some variable to catch
18:00*Ikaros smacks James_T
18:00<Ikaros>Sorry no such magic.
18:01<gparent>rovo: welp?
18:02<rovo>I think I see what your sayin
18:02<rovo>well, i have a dev url I can change the ip of that, then just set all these as subdomains to it
18:02<rovo>that will make each unique
18:03<gparent>that would be a rather easy and effective way I suppose
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18:04<peterv>hi, i saw the mail about scheduled downtime
18:04<peterv>im kind of stupid when it comes to timezones... * 2015-03-08 3:00:00 AM UTC ... what time would that be in amsterdam ?
18:04<peterv>how do you convert that time ..
18:05<staticsafe>if you log in to the Manager, you can see it in the timezone set in your profile
18:05<rovo>gparent: im going to give that a go
18:05<staticsafe>also .nl is UTC+1, pretty easy to convert :P
18:06<peterv>so umm.. it will be 4 o clock in the morning?
18:07<peterv>oh thats fine
18:08<peterv>oki thanks
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18:13<MajObviousman>are there just a pileton of tor users out there, or is there some coordinated effort for some entity using tor to get into #linode?
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18:14<gparent>ive started wondering if Im more annoyed by the part/join than the occasional spam
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18:14<Yaakov>There's no reason to use Tor to talk to Linode.
18:14<gparent>the former is fixable on my end though
18:14<gparent>true, you have nothing to hide anyway!
18:15<Yaakov>No, it's just that if you are going to use Tor, you can use with email. If you have to be dark about your use of Linode, you can forego IRC which is community support.
18:15<Yaakov>Almost always, Tor users on IRC are trouble.
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18:17<Eugene>I just ignore all users
18:17<Eugene>Much quieter
18:17<gparent>i think that's just specific to how you view tor
18:17<gparent>well not the statement on trouble - you're most likely right on that
18:18<gparent>but like im not here for community support, so to me email as a replacement to IRC just makes no sense :P
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18:25<coder2020>hi! does anybody know if the SSDs on linnode are RAID and what level?
18:26<warewolf>you don't need to raid on top of raid
18:26<warewolf>just treat it like it's regualr disk, don't worry about it
18:26<coder2020>what level of raid is it?
18:26<gparent>I think it's raid 9000.
18:26<gparent>The page used to say 10 and they removed it.
18:26<gparent>That was back in HDD days IIRC.
18:27<warewolf>coder2020: what's your concern?
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18:27<coder2020>i woudl just liek to knwo what raid level is used and if it is software or hardware raid
18:27<warewolf>coder2020: I doubt any workload you have is going to be impacted by the RAID level, on an SSD. SSDs are *crazy* fast.
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18:27<coder2020>i concerned about disk corruption
18:28<gparent>you should take regular back ups then
18:28<gparent>There's no guarantee about your data
18:28<coder2020>i will
18:28<warewolf>coder2020: I'm pretty sure the Linode folks are doing things the best way possible
18:28<warewolf>coder2020: and either way, there's no way for you to /change/ the underlying RAID anyway
18:29<@caker>Our systems use hardware RAID + BBU + datacenter grade SSDs
18:29<warewolf>I've been a linode customer for over a decade, and disk corruption has not been an issue, ever.
18:29<warewolf>and there it is, from the man caker himself
18:30<coder2020>that is good
18:30<coder2020>can you also tell me what level of raid is used?
18:30<@caker>I cannot, sorry.
18:31<coder2020>do you guys know if linnodes supports private ips (as supported by rackspace) or when you communicate between VPSs do you use encryption
18:32<gparent>I do both
18:32<MrPPS>got our new in-house hosting finished up the other day :) probably nothing close to what you've got, but, for a primary school, it's good - 2 x 128GB RAM hosts, SSD RAID 5 boot, 24 logical cores, 10TB SSD storage in SAN
18:32<MrPPS>is fun to play around with
18:32<@caker>coder2020: you can get local-only private IPs -- they're non-routable, but available to the entire dc you share it in.
18:32<DrJ>coder2020: you can use private IPs if they are in the same datacenter
18:32<warewolf>coder2020: hey, might I make a suggestion?
18:32<MrPPS>coder2020: as for encryption, depends on the protocol you've got communicating
18:32<warewolf>coder2020: Linode is cheap, and *amazing* service. They even do hourly billing.
18:33<@caker>coder2020: Linodes can't spoof or sniff traffic that isn't theirs. So, arguably, encryption is not necessary -- but, I'll let the tinfoil hats wage that war
18:33<warewolf>coder2020: rather than asking a bunch of questions, throw $10 or something at an hourly rated Linode, and just give it a whirl.
18:34<coder2020>@warewolf - these questions cannot be answered by testing
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18:34<coder2020>in some cloud networks vpns can communicate with vpns leased by a different business - in that case encryption is required
18:35<DrJ>coder2020: that is not really related to any specific provider
18:35<warewolf>that's also in general how the internet works.
18:35<DrJ>of course they can communicate through ssh, or however you want
18:35<warewolf>which is solved largely through firewalls.
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18:35<dzho>if they can't be answered by testing, then you could be told anything and wouldn't know the difference, no?
18:36<coder2020>yes, that is how the internet works, but many could vpns do not work that way - the routers limit which hosts can communicate with each other
18:37<coder2020>linode as business has incentives to not mislead customers as to the service they are providing, but we digress
18:38<akerl>coder2020: Yes, you cannot invent IPs and then use them unencapsulated on the network
18:38<dzho>I agree that they should play it straight. But this is a basic epistemological question.
18:38<gparent>linode as a business has a really good incentive not to allow ip spoofing and sniffing
18:38<coder2020>for my education is this channel frequented by people who work for linnode?
18:38<akerl>coder2020: This is the user community. People with ops are staff
18:38<warewolf>coder2020: so, like caker said, (guest) Linode A on (host) Sever X can't see, nor forge traffic to/dest for (guest) Linode B on (host) Server X.
18:38<+linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
18:38<DrJ>coder2020: all the ops are staff
18:39<coder2020>thank you guys
18:39<warewolf>coder2020: so it's like being on a switch, with MAC filtering, I suppose. That may actually be how they implement it.
18:39<akerl>warewolf: forging traffic "to" an instance isn't really a thing
18:39<akerl>that's just called "sending a packet" :)
18:40<warewolf>akerl: don't make me go all pedantic on your ass. :)
18:40<arlen>throw down
18:40*gparent catches the exception
18:40<gparent>careful arlen
18:40<akerl>I just opened the first beer, we're about 5 sips from Pedantictown
18:40<arlen>Internet gang signs
18:41<gparent>wouldn't that depend on the size of each sip?
18:41<gparent>sorry I had to :P
18:41<dzho>mmm, beer
18:41<akerl>The only correct way to sip beer is in increments of 1 pintglass
18:41<MrPPS>so many ops starting with "j" :P
18:41<trippeh>fuuuck netflix app on smart tv forgot login credentials AGAIN
18:41<gparent>can't have too much beer today, we're introducing newbies at work tomorrow and there will be plenty to enjoy :)
18:41<trippeh>about once a week this happens
18:42<gparent>trippeh: my friend used to go crazy over that
18:42<trippeh>w r u doing samsung
18:42<gparent>.. samsung tv too
18:42<Peng>trippeh: listing to you
18:42<trippeh>Peng: nope.
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18:43<trippeh>only mic is in the remote, and its button activated (aka useless even as voice control) on this model
18:43<gparent>or so that's what Samsung says.
18:44<gparent>On my TV I can raise down the volume to 1, but I always hear it ever so slightly... I heard that more lucky people are actually able to turn it entirely off
18:44<gparent>lower down*
18:44<gparent>or just lower, I can't do this English thing it's hard.
18:44<trippeh>I got the model without cam and mic, on purpose, last year.
18:44<coder2020>do you guys know if linode offers the abiltity to use disk other than ssds? for example sata or some cloud storage?
18:45<@caker>I do know. And the answer is no. We're all SSDs, all the time
18:45<trippeh>and never approved the voice eula
18:45<@caker>no cloud storage service (yet?)
18:46<akerl>If I have a cloud server, and I store something on it, isn't that cloud storage?
18:46<akerl>Though to be fair, these days I mostly use pi fs
18:46<gparent>Cloud storage refers to storing files in the sky, actually.
18:46<Peng>I still have a non-SSD node >_>
18:46<gparent>it's really groundbreaking tech
18:47<gparent>...or sky shattering, I guess.
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18:49<arlen>how do the files keep from falling through the cloud?
18:50<@caker>what's the last thing that goes through a fly's mind when it hits a windshield of a car going 60mph?
18:50<@caker>its butt
18:50<@caker>+1 relevant
18:51<gparent>there`s this great wikipedia vandalism page where the guy has 'cloud-to-butt' enabled and doesn't realize it
18:51<gparent>maybe I can find it
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18:58<coder2020>thank you
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19:01<James_T>Lol! XSA124!
19:02<James_T>I -betcha- it affects linode
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19:14<Peng>Wait what. Isn't 124 new?
19:14<Peng>Weren't they only up to 123 yesterday?
19:14<James_T>124 is new
19:14<James_T>same release date
19:14<James_T>so we can only wait
19:15<James_T>TWELVE HOURS till XSA-121 is released
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19:16<trippeh>arent most xsa's affecting HVM and weird configs only though
19:16<James_T>something close to Thu Mar 5 00:16:30 UTC 2015
19:16<trippeh>of the srs ones
19:16<akerl>trippeh: pretty much
19:16<James_T>there have been a few that affect PV, but not as much
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19:17<dzho>it's like Christmas
19:18*trippeh tries to interface directly with opensshs mux sockets
19:19*trippeh ignores all warnings about internal protocol
19:19<James_T>you using U2F or something?
19:20<James_T>have to take one of my dogs to the vet to get stuff stuck in his ears
19:23<James_T>had a nasty yeast infection
19:23<James_T>been putting ear drops in for a week
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19:36<corndawg>howdy howdy
19:36<corndawg>just replied to a ticket, the vps wont boot
19:37<akerl>What happens when you try to boot?
19:37<corndawg>System Boot - My CentOS 7 Profile Entered: 41 seconds ago - Took: 9 seconds Linode failed to boot for unknown reason.
19:38<akerl>And what does Lish's `logview` say?
19:38<+linbot>Please paste longer snippets over at and not in the channel
19:39<corndawg>ah my bad sorry lol
19:39<corndawg>longview isnt showing anything
19:39<+linbot>LISH allows you to perform certain actions without having to log in to the Linode Manager. LISH's primary function is to allow you to access your Linode's console, even if networking is disabled.
19:40<akerl>Connect to Lish, run `logview`, put the output in the pastebin
19:41<corndawg>how do you log into that? sorry never used it before :/
19:41<akerl>Read the link?
19:42<corndawg>heh sorry didnt see it
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19:42<Nathanael>any plans of bringing a 512mb ram plan onto linode?
19:43<akerl>There used to be a 512MB plan
19:43<James_T>the current 1G plan is nice
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19:43<dzho>given the riff raff a $10 plan brought in I shudder to think what a 512MB plan would entail.
19:43<Nathanael>ya. I heard. but not any longer :( would love to teach my son on a cheaper box
19:44<dzho>Nathanael: well, there's prmgr for instance
19:44<dzho> a vps, but still.
19:44<corndawg>you want the last 100 lines from boot?
19:45<akerl>corndawg: Yes
19:45<corndawg>k sec
19:46<Nathanael>digitalocean looks better than those options
19:46<dzho>Nathanael: seriously, if you don't already have a verified freeshell/sdf account, I'd be happy to verify you. Then, your son could sign up and you could verify him.
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19:46<akerl>Nathanael: tbqh, you probably ought to be looking at options that aren't sitting on the internet, at least for starters
19:47<dzho>well, shell account on the internet + admin practice on a local network only lets you approach a full blown internet-connected root account from both directions.
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19:48<corndawg>there ya go
19:49<akerl>corndawg: Yea, so the issue here is your OS
19:49<Nathanael>all good advice. thanks guys. he's got a kano... can probably introduce him more to the command line first
19:49<v0lksman>Nathanael: raspberrypi?
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19:49<akerl>I'd recommend booting up Finnix and having a poke around your FS, because something has clearly happened to it
19:49<corndawg>ah wierd
19:50<akerl>"Starting init: /sbin/init exists but couldn't execute it (error -5)" <-- not a good thing
19:50<dzho>that's messed up corndawg
19:50<Nathanael>yes. kano rus raspberry pi. I see the new raspberry pi 2 has a gig of ram :)
19:50<akerl>You didn't do something weird like chmod -R 644 /, did you?
19:51<corndawg>havnt done anything
19:51<v0lksman>yep...hadn't heard of kano..nice kit
19:51<akerl>dzho: what about it?
19:51<corndawg>havnt logged into the vps in a few weeks
19:51<dzho>akerl: how many drives must a vps have?
19:51<corndawg>vps was running before maintnance was done today
19:51<akerl>between 1 and 9?
19:51<akerl>corndawg: Clearly either you did something, something you installed did something, or somebody else who has access to log in to your Linode did A or B
19:51<dzho>akerl: to what end?
19:52<akerl>That error isn't something that originates on Linode's end
19:52<@caker>unless the host ate itself
19:52<akerl>dzho: Honestly can't tell if you're serious
19:52<corndawg>no one has logged in today, the vps was running just fine before maintnance
19:52<dzho>akerl: I am quite serious.
19:52<corndawg>no one but me has access to the vps
19:52<akerl>caker: Well yes, but one would imagine that if the host ate itself in such a way that data was lost, you kind folks would tell people
19:52<@caker>corndawg: was this from earlier today where we recovered Linodes for many hours?
19:52<akerl>dzho: By default, xvda is rootfs and xvdb is swap
19:53<MrPPS>corndawg: had the same thing randomly happen to me a few weeks back
19:53<akerl>But you could conceivably have other disk images if you're so inclined
19:53<MrPPS>had to rebuild from backups
19:53<corndawg>think so, i got a notice about maintnance being done earlier today
19:53<James_T>MrPPS: :O
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19:53<akerl>corndawg: May want to read that ticket then
19:53<corndawg>i have
19:53<akerl>Because this isn't like "whoops you had an uncommited FS write", you have bad perms on a file that nothing should have been modifying perms on
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19:54<corndawg>hang on, ive gotten a reply ticket
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19:56<@caker>it's possible, if not likely, that your Linode was affected by the same problem on the host that we worked on for hours today, and that your filesystem was affected
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19:56<v0lksman>I think I lost a node in that fire too
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20:01<dzho>akerl: ah, so it is
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20:29<trippeh>holy carp it works
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20:30<gthutch>Okay so I've been really happy with everything since I started at Linode - the service, the help from you all, the documentation. It's been absolutely fantastic
20:30<trippeh>the protocol was really simple
20:30<trippeh>send some messages, pass some fd's
20:30<gthutch>And I have another dedicated server with another company and now I'm considering moving things here to Linode
20:31<gthutch>My only question is, how easy is it to scale up here?
20:31<Kyhwana>gthutch: well, if you use load balances probably easier
20:31<akerl>Go to resize tab -> click button -> your Linode migrates to a new host
20:31<akerl>Downtime is 1-2 minutes per GB of disk image
20:31<Kyhwana>You can script the API, so you can spin up/down/destroy linodes as you need and you're billed on a per hourly basis
20:31<gthutch>I'm working on a social platform that will (hopefully) grow exponentially over the next 6-18 months and thats the only reason I got the dedicated server in the first place, cause I know the databases are going to be HUGE
20:32<gthutch>But right now its still completely in development
20:32<gthutch>Not even open beta
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20:32<gthutch>So I feel like this 85/month is kind of wasted :/
20:32<gthutch>Where as I could start off at 20/month here and probably be good the first 6 months
20:32<Kyhwana>gthutch: or as akerl said, you click some buttons and wait :)
20:33<gthutch>Does Linode also offer dedicated servers?
20:37<HoopyCat>linode does one thing, and they do it well
20:38<gthutch>Even that's an understatement
20:38<HoopyCat>and that thing is urmom
20:38<+linbot>HoopyCat: Yo mommas so ignorant, She tried to set up a server running MS-DOS. (759:3/4) [moumr]
20:38<gthutch>chown urmom
20:39<Nivex>missing operand after ‘urmom’
20:39<@alexf>gthutch: already set to 777 :D
20:39<gthutch>Hey also
20:39<gthutch>Someone in here the other day recommended to me HeidiSQL
20:39<gthutch>Whoever you are
20:39<gthutch>I love you
20:40<Nivex>at least her suid bit isn't set
20:40<gparent>What if his mom is really good with computers and MS-DOS was the best operating system suited to the task at hand
20:40<gparent>joke's *totally* on you
20:40<gthutch>Would that task be running the game "Snake" ?
20:40<gthutch>It ran on DOS and well we all know urmom loves the snake ;)
20:42<gthutch>So if I turned off rootlogin and disabled password authentication on a new Ubuntu install
20:42<gthutch>And I'm using the authorized_key method
20:42<gthutch>Is there any other connection methods I should/could turn off?
20:42<gthutch>Are there, rather
20:42<arlen>take a look and see
20:42<gthutch>Insecure methods that may be left on by default or something
20:43<gthutch>Check all listening ports?
20:43<virtual>epends. I actually don't allow root logins at all, except for forced-commands-only.
20:43<gthutch>so i've got
20:43<akerl>virtual: Noteworthy: there have been some fun exploits in the past related to force-commands being less forceful than you might hope
20:44<gthutch>3306, 80, 35555 (ssh)
20:44<gthutch>those are the only ports listening
20:44<gthutch>so if thats mysql, http and ssh, then there's not any other connection method?
20:44<akerl>Step 1) put SSH back below 1024
20:44<virtual>akerl: I think I've heard about some of this. I have a script that tries to strip out crap. Not sure if that's good enough.
20:44<gthutch>oh crap really
20:45<akerl>A) changing the SSH port doesn't improve security. B) Ports above 1024 can be bound by non-root users, so you actually lower security very slightly
20:45<virtual>akerl: But, time for me to google and see what I can find!
20:45<gthutch>so you just leave yours at port 22 akerl?
20:45<gthutch>obscurity is not security, yet again
20:45<virtual>I chanegd my port, mostly to get rid of all the door knocking.
20:45<akerl>Is MySQL listening on or
20:45<virtual>not for 'security' as such.
20:45<akerl>virtual: I just put spikes on the door
20:46<gthutch>is that right
20:46<HoopyCat>keys, 2-factor auth, and logrotate
20:46<virtual>just for root, HoopyCat, or all users?
20:46<gthutch> and
20:46<akerl>And newer SSH versions even support 2fa as keys+totp
20:46<virtual>And, dumb question time, how do you do 2-factor auth without a fancy schmancy RSA frob?
20:47<akerl>virtual: TOTP is nice, and there's a variety of ios/android/etc apps
20:47<virtual>(or is 2-factor not same as 'one time password' in this context?)
20:47<Eugene>Take a secret key. Add the current timestamp. Hash it.
20:47<virtual>awesome, thanks for the tip!
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20:47<virtual>Eugene: You do that in your head?!
20:48<Eugene>The difference between an Android app and the RSA keyfob is whether the chip doing the crypto is embedded in epoxy
20:48<James_T>Eugene: yeah, my yubikey gets fed the timestamp and spits out a code
20:48<James_T>Eugene: mmm, epoxy
20:48<xar>just keep it on 35555, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that; in fact it deters most basic, malicious scanners; just use iptables and a keypair and you're golden
20:48<virtual>Eugene: sure, I wasn't sure what apps were available that I could use.
20:48<akerl>xar: lolwut
20:49<Eugene>Most installations use the TOTP or HOTP standards, for which dozens of implementations exist
20:49<virtual>heh, and there I thought 'totp' was an acual daemon. oops.
20:49<Eugene>Google Authenticator being the closest thing to a reference for totp
20:49<gthutch>ah crap not again
20:49<akerl>virtual: I'm old fashioned, but I use Google's app. I tried Authy and Duo at various points but their apps have a bunch of things that get in the way of the part where I read codes and type them in
20:49<gthutch>i changed the port below 777, saved, restarted ssh and now it wont reconnect
20:50<akerl>Eugene: TBF, there's an RFC for TOTP/HOTP and everything
20:50<gthutch>sorry, below 1024, 777 is now quite obviously the port i changed it to
20:50<Eugene>IIRC it was written by a GOogler?
20:50<dwfreed>still an RFC
20:50<akerl>As I recall, google's code doesn't even implement some of the most interesting parts of it
20:50*akerl finds the link
20:50<virtual>Didn't know using the Google Authenticator thng was fine. I shall look into it.
20:51<akerl>So many parameters ignored by their app :P
20:51<Eugene>They support Issuer just fine
20:51<Eugene>The rest of them, meh.
20:51<akerl>My point was that even if somebody there wrote the spec, the spec is clearly distinct from their product
20:52<Eugene>They choose not to implement the entirety of the spec :v
20:52<xar>I thought I was pretty clear lol. Please, if you have clear data that indicates low port vs high port is "better^TM" I'd be happy to review it. Until I see it, security "improvement" is nebulous at best.
20:52<akerl>I do enjoy Duo's support for push
20:52<Eugene>Similar to how RFC1149 is poorly supported
20:52<akerl>xar: I typed it already above
20:52<akerl>"B) Ports above 1024 can be bound by
20:52<akerl>non-root users, so you actually lower security very slightly"
20:52<dwfreed>xar: non-root daemons can bind to high ports, allowing them to DoS your SSHd if they can start before it
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20:53<xar>yea and in what fringe case would that ever happen... -_-
20:53<dwfreed>openssh refuses to start if it can't bind to its configured port
20:53<Peng>akerl: Though most people are probably totally screwed anyway if something has access to crash sshd and bind a fake one on a high port.
20:53<dwfreed>including admin stupidity
20:54<akerl>Peng: I'm not claiming it's a likely risk, I'm claiming that you lower your security because there's an additional vector, hard to exploit as it is, and no security gain
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20:54<Peng>akerl: Yup.
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21:25<virtual>apache & debian/ubuntu users. Is it good/bad form to use the same vhost.conf file to include the HTTP and the HTTP versions of the vhost config?
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21:25<akerl>HTTP and HTTPS?
21:25<virtual>oops, yes!
21:25<akerl>I prefer to keep them in the same file
21:26<akerl> should include both HTTP and HTTPS for, in my mind
21:26<virtual>Cool. I thought maybe I was missing something.
21:26<virtual>I have always done it anyway, but, new site, and thought I'd ask.
21:27<Kyhwana>virtual: got all your ciphersuites and openssl patched/configured? ;)
21:27<akerl>virtually all of them
21:28*nate normally has a 'separate' config that has the base https stuff
21:28<nate>though that's mainly just because of the way lighty does ssl on socket blocks
21:28<virtual>Kyhwana: ah ha, I should probably disable some of the older ciphers, thanks! Regarding patching, if it's not patched via the package management stuff, then, no, I haven't.
21:31<virtual>nate: Ah, yes, that brings me to my next point. Is there a way to not duplicate stuff I don't need to? Seems I have to enter logging and ServerName, etc in to two <VirtualHost> configs. Or is that just the way it has to be?
21:31<zifnab>just got a 'your entirely unqualified for this job, when can we interview you' email
21:32<akerl>zifnab: Did you tell them they used the wrong "your"?
21:32<zifnab>"You are no way qualified for this job, but we like the audacity. When would you be available for an interview?"
21:32<zifnab>akerl: that was me summarizing, sorry!
21:32<virtual>akerl: That was bugging me too.
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21:32<gparent>that's pretty neat
21:32<zifnab>thing is, i'm not really audacious
21:33<zifnab>i'm just applying for anything that looks interesting
21:33<zifnab>i could give 0 fucks about your requirements: on the job training!
21:33<gparent>really depends how they write them but yeah here this is typically the proper way to respond to requirements.
21:34<zifnab>why apply for shit you're qualified for, it sounds boring
21:34<gparent>you can routinely see them asking for more years of experience than the technology's lifespan in job offers
21:34<virtual>gparent: :)
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21:36<zifnab>plus, you know, 'les aker viewed your profile'
21:36<zifnab>i must be doign something right
21:36<zifnab>i'm starting to hate linkedin
21:37<gparent>why? it's a great opportunity to be endorsed for things like Windows 3.11
21:37<akerl>Hah. you mentioned how separate you keep your online and work personas
21:37<nate>virtual: Been a while since I used apache but as far as I recall the logging options are optional, mainly just if you want to keep track of separate access logs for different domains and what not
21:37<zifnab>akerl: i attempt to, but github kind of ruins it
21:37<Peng>Luckily I was *not* root when I misspelled "chmod 700 ." as "chmod 700 /
21:37<virtual>zifnab: Does that mean you have linkedin premium?
21:37<zifnab>virtual: no, it'll show you who viewed it kind of
21:38<zifnab>it'll say 'x y and Z more viewed your profile'
21:38<virtual>nate: Yeah, I definitely want to separate out error logs per domain, at least.
21:38<virtual>so, may as well go the whole hog and do access logs too.
21:38<zifnab>akerl: if you can find my facebook i'll be impressed. i'll even buy you a beer
21:38<virtual>I was thinking later, if I get moer complicated in my vhost configs, I have to make sure I do it twice. Guess that's just a small price.
21:38<akerl>He says, knowing he doesn't have a facebook account
21:39<zifnab>i do hav eone
21:39<virtual>zifnab: ah, I have to change my profile view settings.
21:39<zifnab>actually i'm not sure what email i have on there
21:39<zifnab>it might be easier than i'm thinking
21:40<virtual>It's like a dating site. "If you want to see who's been viewing you, you have to let them see who you've been viewing'".
21:41<HoopyCat>mutually-assured destruction
21:41<virtual>I think I'll keep it semi-anonymous at the moment, so that my interviewers don't know I'm stalking them. :)
21:41<zifnab>mutually-ass-ured destruction
21:41<zifnab>(mutual-ass-destruction? Taco Bell!)
21:41<HoopyCat>Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom
21:42*akerl records on the cloudcoin blockcahin that zifnab owes him 1 beer
21:42<zifnab>i owe akerl a beer
21:45<zifnab>let it be known, forever, in the logs of mikegrb
21:45<Kyhwana>virtual: yes, you should ;) check via ssllabs!
21:45<zifnab>also, TIL akerl still works at linode
21:46<zifnab>i totally thought yo uleft
21:46<zifnab>so to my 'how much did you like working there' question, its obviously biased
21:46<virtual>He makes it sound like he's left too.
21:46<akerl>I did leave
21:46<zifnab>then came back?
21:47<zifnab>update your linked in
21:47<zifnab>DO IT NOW
21:47<virtual>Clearly a man of mystery.
21:48<akerl>Now I work for The Man
21:48<Peng>International Man of Outdated LinkedIn Page
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21:48<zifnab>I would say 'I work for *a* man, does that count'
21:48<zifnab>but i dont
21:48<zifnab>(and our president, she's awesome)
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21:49<corndawg>howdy howdy
21:49<zifnab>Welcome to #linode! I am a bot, and will assist with your time here.
21:49<corndawg>since my vps was migrated from another box, is it possible to redo the transfer to the new box?
21:49<warewolf>zifnab: !calc 1+1
21:49<akerl>to what now who?
21:49<zifnab>warewolf: 2
21:50<warewolf>zifnab: !wolfram average wind speed of an unlaiden swallow
21:50<Kyhwana>corndawg: "redo the transfer"?
21:50<rovo>Ok...I've cloned my Linode, and upgraded it...sites running well...planning on doing the IP swap soon. Just realized, my backups won't carry over?
21:50<corndawg>copy my vps from the old box to the new
21:50<akerl>corndawg: Didn't that already happen?
21:50<akerl>rovo: Correct
21:50<Kyhwana>corndawg: didn't you already do that?
21:50<zifnab>warewolf: African or or European?
21:51<corndawg>no, everything was migrated by linode
21:51<akerl>Well yea
21:51<warewolf>zifnab: I don't know, uh *waaaaaaahhhhhhhh*
21:51<akerl>corndawg: So what else would you want to move, other than what they moved?
21:51<Kyhwana>corndawg: well, same thing. So the migration's already done. What's your question?
21:51<zifnab>warewolf: Stop crying, you child.
21:51<zifnab>ok i was going to try this out to troll the new guy
21:51<zifnab>but he didnt' take the bait
21:52<akerl>Well he was here before
21:52<akerl>And pretty sure you were being human then
21:52<akerl>This is what happens when you break character
21:52<zifnab>well fuck
21:52<zifnab>i mean
21:52<warewolf>zifnab: well, you played the part well.
21:52<warewolf>where's mikegrbbot when you need him.
21:53*zifnab slaps warewolf around with a bit of jalapeno
21:53<corndawg>what id like to see is my old vps re-migrated to the new box, its possible that might fix the issues
21:53<warewolf>aslong as it isn't in the eyes
21:53<akerl>corndawg: That is waht happened
21:53*warewolf waddles off to read a book
21:53<Kyhwana>corndawg: It was moved, I don't think it exists on the old box anymore, because it was moved from the old box to the new box
21:53<akerl>If they migrated your Linode, that is what they did
21:54<zifnab>corndawg: the migration process is, more or less: copy disk images from the old box to the new box, verify they're the same, delete the images from the old box
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21:54<warewolf>I heard you have to reboot the internet three times to get it to work.
21:55<warewolf>maybe you have to copy over three times?
21:55<rovo>akerl: would you proceed with this route?
21:55<akerl>rovo: Swapping the IP?
21:56<rovo>once i do do i go about stopping my backup service on my other linode and starting it on the new one?
21:58<akerl>Delete old Linode -> click the enable backups button on new Linode
21:58<akerl>No ticket required
21:59<Kyhwana>maybe do backups on the new linode first
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21:59<Eugene>Backups are for sissies
22:00<zifnab>Eugene: says the guy who backs up his porn to s3
22:00<Eugene>No, that's archival.
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22:01<zifnab>good point
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22:04<zivester>is there a place to view backups made through the linode manager?
22:04<Eugene>Yes, the Backups tab in the Dashboard
22:04<Eugene>If you want to inspect the contents of a given backup then you need to restore it to a Linode
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22:05<zivester>so /linodes/backups/[site] ... and if it says "No history." at the bottom?
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22:05<zivester>more contect... my linode had a catastrophic failure this morning, and was restored from a backup
22:05<Eugene>Then a Backup hasn't been taken yet. You can initiate a manual one if you like.
22:06<Eugene>Did you restore to a different Linode?
22:06<zivester>but why aren't all my old backups listed, I guess thats my question
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22:06<zivester>support did it automatically for me
22:06<Eugene>They would be associated with the original one
22:06<Eugene>Sounds like something you best ask in a ticket, TBQH.
22:07<Eugene>I haven't (yet) had a node go completely gone, so I dunno waht the process looks like exactly.
22:07<Eugene>I'm sure your backup is there /somewhere/, just not where you're looking.
22:10<rovo>after doing the IP Swap, does it take a few minutes till i can SSH in again?
22:10<zivester>yah I'll ask them to clarify in the ticket... its not very helpful their initial response.. seems canned
22:11<Eugene>Likely because it was. Lots of Linodes live on one host, not exactly practical to write a custom message to all of ya
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22:11<akerl>rovo: Did you restart your networking to use the new IP?
22:12<akerl>zivester: Do you have the Linode Backup Service?
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22:12<rovo>akerl: should i just reboot at the dashboard?
22:12<akerl>rovo: You can, sure
22:12<zivester>akerl, I do
22:12<akerl>zivester: And in the Linode's Backups tab, you see no backups listed?
22:13<Eugene>This is post-restore from a host failure
22:13<akerl>Eugene: Yes, I'm getting to that bit :P
22:13<zivester>akerl, nope, they do not seem to exist in the restored linode
22:13<akerl>Is it the same Linode, or did they give you a new Linode and restore a backup from the old Linode to it
22:13<HoopyCat>i wonder if it has a new linode id, due to the nature of the situation, and thus is not linked to the backups from the missing linode
22:14<Eugene>That's.... also what I said :v
22:14<zivester>akerl, the latter... the restored a snapshot from an old linode to this new one... the original had a 'catastrophic failure' guessing its straight dead/decommissioned
22:14<akerl>So yea, that's why you see no backups
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22:14<akerl>This Linode has never had one
22:15<zivester>surely they can migrate the backups to the new linode
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22:15<zivester>i asked in the ticket, don't expect that answer here.. just that would make sense
22:15<zivester>may be a manual process
22:15<akerl>It's like the thought experiment with the ship: if you replace every board on a ship with a new board, does it have the original ship's backups?
22:15<rovo>akerl: now that I've done the IP swap, and rebooted server, i'm getting a PID error
22:15<akerl>a PID error?
22:15<zivester>if I pay for 4 clones of the ship, and i get a new ship, i expect those ships to still be in my fleet
22:16<grissly>Hi. I'm following the getting started docs on linode and I'm having trouble using SFTP (permission denied). Do I have to change perm for the folders in /var/www ?
22:16<akerl>rovo: Sounds like you did a weird thing to that fle
22:16<rovo>akerl: in my nginx.conf file i have on the third line pid /var/run/;
22:16<akerl>grissly: Your user needs to have write access somewhere if you want to write there
22:17<akerl>rovo: It's not complaining about where the PID file is, it's talking about the value inside the file
22:17<rovo>hmm...i didnt change anything with that file
22:17<rovo>and it's empty
22:17<akerl>Of course it is
22:18<rovo>im just going to try and comment it out
22:18<akerl>Did you read the error message?
22:18<grissly>it seems that the website folder i put in /var/www is owned by root. I'm assuming I need to change that, is that right?
22:18<akerl>22:17:04 <akerl> grissly: Your user needs to have write access somewhere if you want to write there
22:18<rovo>ha, tha tdidnt work
22:18<akerl>rovo: Of course not
22:19<grissly>how can I add that
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22:19<grissly>ty. *reading*
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22:24<rovo>akerl: this is all the error it's returning
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22:25<akerl>So it's looking at the pidfile for a pid and instead finding an empty file
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22:26<rovo>i bet apache started back up
22:26<akerl>not at all related
22:26<virtual>haha. Found a buddy on linked in. His title at the time when we worked together "technical support". On Linkedin... "Senior Network Engineer". :)
22:28<rovo>it's working now
22:28<rovo>i stopped apache, started nginx
22:28<rovo>it happened because i rebooted the server
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22:28<rovo>i need to set it up again so apache doesnt start on reboots, and nginx starts instea
22:30<virtual>Do you even need apache on the server?
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22:30<trippeh>ssh session startup (including command execution on the other side) overhead now down to 5ms
22:30<trippeh>I must say this is acceptable when using external openssh process :)
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22:41<grissly>akerl: I dont understand what i am supposed to do. the permissions fall into owner-group-others. I don't share any groups with the owner (root), am I missing something? should I add a group that root and my user both belong to?
22:42<akerl>You either want to make the files/directories owned by your user or adjust your groups / the groups of the files/dirs so that they overlap
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22:44<zifnab>hint: root ignores permissions
22:46<zifnab>(if you're the only user who needs access, chown $your-user-name file, if there are multiple - make a new group, 'chgrp $new-group-name', then do 'usermod -a -G $NEW_GROUP username for each user who needs permission)
22:47<zifnab>tends to get really messy if 'i want group A to have perms to read, group B rw, and group C rwx', but doesnt osund like it
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22:49<zifnab>Translation: the amount of time it takes light to travel 293.83 km
22:49<trippeh>now all I need is error handling ;)
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23:12<Spnkmyr>hey guys, just curious - when implementing self signed SSL on a linode, what generally leads to a ERR_SSL_PROTOCOL_ERROR? As far as I can tell I've done everything right, but clearly not
23:12<Peng>Something impressively wrong. Link?
23:13<Spnkmyr>one moment
23:17<Spnkmyr>hey, sorry
23:18<Peng>Spnkmyr: You're running HTTP on port 443.
23:19<Peng>Spnkmyr: works
23:20<Spnkmyr>I'm a little curious how that happened - the default-ssl.conf is the only place I've seen that port mentioned anywhere... namely in <VirtualHost _default_:443>
23:20<Spnkmyr>guess that's it eh - sorry, new to this
23:30<Spnkmyr>actually, one more question - is it necessary to use SSL w/ phpmyadmin ?
23:31<dcraig>well... you wouldn't have to...
23:31<trippeh>limiting phpmyadmin to localhost and using SSH portforwarding to reach it is sufficient.
23:31<dcraig>generally whenever you're transmitting your username and password, it's nice to have SSL
23:32<dcraig>mirc is freaky in windows 8 :(
23:33<Spnkmyr>I only ask because setting up SSL is a pain in my ass, and as I am relatively new to linux server administration, troubleshooting it is even more of a pain in the ass
23:33<MrPPS>then SSH port-forward is probably your best option
23:33<mdc>Not having your MySQL user/password is worth the trouble of configuring SSL on the server..
23:34<mdc>user/password sent in the clear*
23:34<Spnkmyr>no, I know it's worth setting it up. I fully intend to.
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23:50<Eugene>Meh, it's not like MySQL actually checks usernames/passwords.
23:51<Eugene>I forget the CVE, but 1 out of 256(?) incorrect passwords would be accepted anyway.
23:51<SleePy>If it didn't check them, that would be a big security risk.
23:53<SleePy>That is like ancient history
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