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---Logopened Wed Mar 18 00:00:56 2015
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00:22*zifnab slaps dcraig around with a bit of SEGFAULT
00:22<zifnab>i think something must be wrong on the internet
00:23<zifnab>nothing in here for two whole hours
00:24<virtual>maybe.. nothing is wrong?
00:28<dcraig>maybe we can play pretend
00:28<dcraig>looks like we just lost fremont
00:28*James_T slaps zifnab around a bit with virtual and dcraig
00:29*zifnab slaps James_T around with a bit of pandaboard
00:29*zifnab slaps James_T around with a bit of python
00:29*zifnab slaps James_T around with a bit of lasagna
00:29*James_T eats the lasagna
00:29<arlen>you chopped up a python?
00:30<virtual>he's hardcore, zifnab is.
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00:31<zifnab>arlen: no his name is a bit
00:31<zifnab>i slapt him around with a bit, who is made of python
00:31<zifnab>its like alot, but a bit
00:31<arlen>RIP Mr python
00:33<virtual>oh dear. I seem to have forgotten how to use git.
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00:38<Ikaros>Aww, missed some random beatdowns
00:41<zifnab>arlen: pythons are resilient, they enjoy being used as a bat
00:41<zifnab>the faster you swing them, the warmer they get
00:41<zifnab>and they're cold bloded
00:42<virtual>So, really, it's good for the python, you're saying?
00:42<arlen>are they like worms?
00:42<arlen>now we have two Mr pythons
00:42<virtual>I reckon so. Just a teensy bit bigger.
00:42<virtual>and with teeth.
00:43<arlen>and a tongue
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00:48<Ikaros>Hm. So I've come to see...that my router is superior to the one Verizon gave me. In every single way. It also appears to me Verizon doesn't know how to route properly. I do. >>
00:50<Ikaros>This, after finding out that it cannot seem to take full advantage of my speed tier, not like my own router can with ease. I find it kinda funny that my own tech far outdoes whatever crap they run.
00:54<arlen>router from an isp sucks
00:56<virtual>That doesn't seem to be too abnormal, Ikaros.
00:57<zifnab>Ikaros: unless you're paying thousands for a business circuit, its shit
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01:54<Ikaros>zifnab: At the very least I did manage to join my other local network segment into my IPv6 tunnel and route it successfully. Turns out routing table entries were correct, the other router needed a little help by way of 'ip -6 neigh add proxy' to get traffic moving freely through it both ways. My entire local network is now able to access the IPv6 internet through my tunnel no matter if you're
01:54<Ikaros>on the wifi of the secondary or hooked in over ethernet on the primary.
01:54<zifnab>hope the router is doing some ipv6 firewalling at least
01:54<Ikaros>Primary's taking care of that.
01:54<Ikaros>Traffic must still pass through it to get to the secondary
01:55<Ikaros>So it is subjected to the primary's filtering
01:55<zifnab>in other news
01:56<Ikaros>Sad to say that Verizon didn't really care to install IPv6 filtering modules on their router, though the ip6tables command is there. lol
01:56<zifnab>what thinks the unthinkable
01:56<zifnab>an itheberg
01:56<zifnab>thats interesting
01:56<Ikaros>Pretty sure they'd be teed off to find I screwed around with its guts
01:56<zifnab>my ipv6 firewall is stricter than the ipv4 one
01:56<zifnab>ipv4 one i just let nat deal with it
01:56<zifnab>which is terrifying
01:57<Ikaros>But what can I say, obviously I know more than they could ever hope to realize >>
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01:58<Ikaros>Which is why it was moved back to secondary/FiOS service support via MoCA
01:58<Ikaros>It lost the right to serve as primary
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02:00<Ikaros>But yeah. I had to save the routing table I added in on both units as well as the specific ip -6 neigh command I used to get it working on the secondary. The secondary has no way to persist those changes at all. Doesn't even have an editor - I had to create some conf files by way of echo commands and redirect operators.
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02:01<Ikaros>But yeah I think I've spent long enough tweaking the hell out of all that. I think I can go to sleep now that I actually got the thing to work right.
02:09*dcraig reaches Ikaros via ipv6
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03:04<+linbot>New news from forum: The linode fiasco: Surprise deletion in Customer Testimonials <>
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03:44<virtual>haha @ jesin
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04:33<Kenshino>Hello! I just created a Linode account, and I want to spin one up at the Tokyo data center. However, the location dorpdown on my account does not list Japan at all. Only the American locations and UK. Can anyone help?
04:33<Peng>Kenshino: Tokyo is unfortunately near-full at the moment.
04:34<Kenshino>Oh my, but I live in Singapore and that's the closest. If I spin up elsewhere, how easy is the shift to Tokyo?
04:34<Peng>Linode is working on a Singapore location right now. :D
04:35<Kenshino>I still don't see it either
04:35<Kenshino>I have Newark, Dallas, Fremont, Atlanta, London
04:36<Kenshino>If it's full, why does my buddy's account have the Tokyo dropdown?
04:36<Peng>I don't know.
04:36<Peng>Kenshino: Moving is pretty easy. File a ticket and press some buttons and wait. Your IP addresses will change.
04:37<Peng>Kenshino: You should go with Fremont for now, or wait.
04:37<Kenshino>Hmmm I'll drop a support ticket and see if there is a wait time, I can wait 1 or 2 days but if not I'll choose something else :)
04:38<Peng> currently says they expect to open Singapore in April.
04:38<Kenshino>hmmmmm might be a tad too late
04:38<Kenshino>I wil lbe happy to open future Linodes on that
04:38<Kenshino>but need one soon!
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04:47<+linbot>New news from forum: Guides & Tutorials: Securing Your Server in General Discussion <> || fedup Fedora 20 to 21 failing on Linode in General Discussion <> || Executing command in a screen without attaching in General Discussion <>
04:50<virtual>bleh, spam.
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05:40<Mazhar>Do Linode support CPANEL & WHM service?
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05:44<virtual>Do you mean, do they install it?
05:44<virtual>oh, he's gone already.
05:46<kyhwana>didn't even wait 2 minutes
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06:37<+linbot>New news from forum: Do you Know what is the of Benefits using Cloud Computing? in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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07:37<+linbot>New news from forum: The linode fiasco: Surprise deletion in Customer Testimonials <>
07:41<James_T>HoopyCat is a little broken
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07:45<Cromulent>!rfc 793
07:45<+linbot>Cromulent: HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error
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07:57<+linbot>New news from forum: Executing command in a screen without attaching in General Discussion <>
08:01<Yaakov>HoopyCat: Do you accept pennies?
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08:59<+linbot>New news from forum: Apache ProxyPassMatch - two fcgi processes - by query string in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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09:10<+linbot>New news from forum: Additional storage in General Discussion <>
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09:26<theboxfactory>Hello. Anyone about for an server / apache set-up config question?
09:28<+linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
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09:34<theboxfactory>Have a single server running already, it supports several domains managed at Linode. Have Apache virtual config set-up to handle various sites and all is good. Now, I need to point a remote subdomain for a client to host a site. Subdomain set-up seems fine as it resolves to my IP. However despite configuring the Apache for a virtual sit and confirming the sert-up with apachectl -S, the subdomain still resolves to the
09:34<theboxfactory>At a slight loss on what to change or test next
09:36<@drussell>You cut off at "resolves to the"
09:36<@drussell>What's the domain?
09:37<@drussell>Resolves to what? I'm guessing whatever came after "resolves to the" is important :P
09:38<theboxfactory>Resolve to my IP address of
09:39<@drussell>And you don't want it to resolve to that IP?
09:39<theboxfactory>No. That IP is correct. So the subdomain is hitting my server. But I thnk I am seeing the default Linode site ''
09:40<+linbot>Maybe not a verb. But you can do it here:
09:40<@drussell>the output of 'apache2ctl -S'
09:40<theboxfactory>One moment.
09:41<+linbot>New news from forum: bandwidth incredible slow sometimes? in General Discussion <> || Linode CLI Stackscripts problem in General Discussion <>
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09:41<@drussell>What's the output of `cat /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/` (pastebin)
09:46<@drussell>And, the output of `ls -la /home/redboard/sites/www`
09:48<theboxfactory>It's a Drupal site.
09:49<theboxfactory>SIte worked correctly before, when tested on a domain I manage.
09:49<@drussell>Probably doesn't make a difference in this case, but if Apache isn't running on redboard, you'll want to chown -R that directory to www-data:www-data
09:51<@drussell>Err. Given your Apache config is correct, did you reload Apache after making any changes? My only guess is that you had the default directory in at one time, or that your default config is taking over.
09:52<@drussell>Actually, it's more likely your default config is taking over. You may want to prepend your configs with the order you want. Default is being loaded first because it's prepended with 000-
09:52<theboxfactory>Yes, been doing a service apache2 reload, after every change.
09:52<@drussell>Then yeah, it's probably the default thing ^
09:53<@drussell>If you have a config for each site you're serving, try a2dissite 000-default.conf
09:53<@drussell>then reload apache.
09:54<theboxfactory>Done, but no change.
09:55<@drussell>pastebin the output of apache2ctl -S again
09:57<akerl>theboxfactory: Out of curiosity, can you pastebin `ip addr` ?
09:58<akerl>Notice that and are different
09:59<akerl> resolves to, which is not your Linode's IP
09:59<akerl>So it's going to somebody else who happens to have Apache listening, and their server has no idea what to show you so it defaults to the default page
10:00<theboxfactory>OK. So they need to fix the A record on the DNS?
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10:01<theboxfactory>Will look into this. Thanks for all your help akerl and @drussell
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10:36<Peng>Oh dammit. I accidentally pointed a Freenode #linode troll to here before recognizing them.
10:36<Peng>Fortunately they're both too dumb to read the topic *and* too dumb to follow my advice and spam here.
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10:37<Peng>drussell: Might want to preemptively ban W1n5t0n! here in case they ever decide to come over from Freenode.
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10:38<Peng>Huh, looks like they *have* come here before, and were dumb but non-trolly.
10:39-!-mode/#linode [+b *!*] by drussell
10:40<Peng>Cheers. On Freenode they /quit after screaming into the void for a few minutes. That may be a good or bad sign.
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10:45<Peng>I shouldn't IRC when tired. Their nick rang bells but I didn't remember they were a troll. :-\
10:46<@drussell>You're fine Peng|
10:52<Peng>I don't get it. That person spams in the empty channel on Freenode but acts normal in the real channel here.
10:55<@drussell>People are confusing, I don't try to understand :P
10:55<MajObviousman>which person, so I can point, laugh, and publicly denounce?
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11:02<+linbot>New news from forum: The linode fiasco: Surprise deletion in Customer Testimonials <>
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11:06<avenj>I can tell that forums guy is telling the truth, because everyone knows corporations hate making money.
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11:28<seanh-corona>how long does it normally take for an ssl cert to be updated on a nodebal?
11:29<akerl>If you did it before you typed that message, it should have already happened
11:31<seanh-corona>the fingerprint updated on the manager page
11:31<akerl>What's the address that should be using the new cert and isn't?
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11:33<akerl>what's the signature you expect to see
11:33<akerl>yea, that's what I see
11:33<akerl>what are you seeing?
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11:36<akerl>Yea, I get the right SHA
11:36<akerl>are you sure you don't have network shenanigans going on?
11:36<akerl>are you actually hitting the nodebal?
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11:39<seanh-corona>hitting it from a machine somehwere else is working fine
11:39<seanh-corona>something is fucky here
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11:40<Cromulent>seanh-corona: did you mean to have 1 IP address for and 1 for
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11:40<Cromulent>1 is a linode load balancer the other isn't
11:40<Peng>seanh-corona: /etc/hosts?
11:41<Peng>Cromulent: www also has the right cert though
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11:41<seanh-corona>Cromulent: odd, I'll check that out
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11:42<Cromulent>seanh-corona: the www IP address is
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11:43<Guest704>anybody here?
11:43<seanh-corona>Cromulent: yeah that's a machine of ours
11:43<seanh-corona>we don't "use" www.developer, so it was never configured. it looks like it's getting picked up by a wildcard
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11:44<Guest704>is a ai robot or somebody real?
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11:44<akerl>This is the user community. If you have a question, you're welcome to ask it
11:44<Peng>Guest704: Wait what?
11:44<Cromulent>Guest704: real obviously
11:44<akerl>I am not a bot. You are a bot
11:45<@alexf>the only bot is linbot
11:45<@alexf>and he says !ask
11:45<+linbot>Who, me?
11:46<dzho>the only bot is linbot, and Peng is his prophet
11:46<Peng>Who, me?
11:47<Guest704>i got a email say my account has been activated.but when i log on into linode its show me Your account is currently being reviewed.
11:49<Guest704>is there anybody can help me to fix this issue?
11:49<Peng>i think you have another email to wait for.
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11:50<Guest704>@peng Your mean is I just waiting for another mail?
11:51<Guest704>I cannot do anything in my linode account even open a ticket
11:51<Peng>Yes, it hasn't been activated yet, and is being reviewed.
11:51<Peng>They'll send you an email with further instructions.
11:51<Guest704>ok .thanks.
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12:09<Yaakov>How's the Garden State today?
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12:18<@alexf>A bit chilly compared to the last few days
12:49<Peng>!wx kewr
12:49<+linbot>Peng: [metar] OBS at KEWR: 35.6F/02C, visibility 10 miles, wind 20.71 mph, chill 24.52F (altimeter: 30.07) [KEWR 181551Z 32018G30KT 10SM FEW047 SCT055 BKN250 02/M12 A3007 RMK AO2 PK WND 30030/1547 SLP182 VIRGA SE T00171122 $]
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13:06<Ubik>!wx krzr
13:06<+linbot>Ubik: [metar] OBS at KRZR: 53.6F/12C, visibility 10 miles, wind 11.51 mph, chill 50.08F (altimeter: 30.18) [KRZR 181655Z AUTO 03010KT 10SM CLR 12/01 A3018 RMK]
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13:28<Yaakov>alexf: It's colder here too, but still MUCH better than it's been.
13:28<Yaakov>Perfectly good cycling weather, even in the pre-dawn morning.
13:29<Yaakov>!wx ksbn
13:29<+linbot>Yaakov: [metar] OBS at KSBN: 46.4F/08C, visibility 10 miles, wind 6.90 mph, chill 42.90F (altimeter: 30.32) [KSBN 181654Z VRB06G15KT 10SM CLR 08/M11 A3032 RMK AO2 SLP276 T00781111]
13:30<@mkropinack>!wx kacy
13:30<+linbot>mkropinack: [metar] OBS at KACY: 41.0F/05C, visibility 10 miles, wind 21.87 mph, chill 31.37F (altimeter: 30.08) [KACY 181654Z 29019G29KT 10SM CLR 05/M14 A3008 RMK AO2 PK WND 31030/1600 SLP188 T00501144]
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13:31<Yaakov>I don't like windy because it makes riding harder.
13:31<Yaakov>Unless it's a tailwind.
13:31<@mkropinack>gusty winds. even harder.
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13:32<curby>saw mentioned here yesterday, made last night. not sure why :)
13:35<Nivex> needs an AAAA record. and can you make something like that just returns one random as text/plain? (he asks having evil bot thoughts)
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13:36<curby>yeah i'm a IPv6 newbie so i haven't gotten around to making AAAA stuff yet. i'll put it on the todo list
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13:42<curby>can your bot parse a HTTP header? there's an HTML comment that talks about how that might help
13:43<curby>(if so then you can send a HEAD request)
13:43<curby>please don't be too evil :)
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13:58<ramesh>anyone can help me about this issue?
13:58<ramesh> bad string length 0 < 1: dbname =
13:58<ramesh>when i try the -q mysql:/etc/postfix/
13:59<ramesh> postmap -q mysql:/etc/postfix/
13:59<Peng>dbname should be set to something
13:59<Peng>I don't know what
13:59<ramesh>user = mailuser password = mailuserpass hosts = dbname = mailserver query=SELECT 1 FROM virtual_domains WHERE name='%s'
13:59<ramesh>i set like this
14:00<Nivex>curby: I was thinking linbot has a "web fetch" alias that prints the contents, so no, it can't print headers.
14:00<ramesh>it saying it fatal
14:00<ramesh>not a problem?
14:01<gparent>ramesh: you should post that file to a pastebin, editing *only* (*ONLY*) the value of the password, and nothing else.
14:01<gparent>And I'll check how mine is set meanwhile <_<
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14:04<ramesh>this will help you?
14:06<akerl>ramesh: Are you following a guide to set this up?
14:06<gparent>There are minor differences with mine but I'm not clueful to know if they could cause your error or not.
14:07<ramesh>what the difference/
14:07<akerl>Can you pastebin the full command you're running and full output?
14:07<akerl>the one that's giving you that error you showed above
14:07<gparent>akerl: postmap -q mysql:/etc/postfix/
14:07<gparent>from above
14:08<gparent>ramesh: that's still the only command we're dealing with so far, right?
14:08<akerl>What happens if you make it "dbname=mailserver"
14:10<ramesh>same issue
14:10<akerl>Either you're looking at the wrong file or you didn't make the right change
14:10<ramesh>file is right
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14:11<ramesh>the changes are as per the guide
14:11<akerl>ramesh: I'm suggesting you change "dbname = mailserver" to "dbname=mailserver"
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14:12<Yaakov>Peng: Title and body.
14:13<ramesh>different error with table query now akerl
14:13<gparent>you'll want to show us the full error in a pastebin every time
14:13<akerl>Heh, was about to say that :)
14:13<gparent>we know the game!!
14:14<akerl>Now take the spaces out from that one
14:15<ramesh>space where?
14:15<akerl>ramesh: Did you not give us the full contents of that file?
14:15<akerl> /etc/postfix/
14:15<ramesh>first 2 lines are
14:16<gparent>there's no reason to give half the file fyi
14:16<gparent>it gives an incomplete picture and can be confusing
14:16<+linbot>Yaakov: why is there a kennedy curse
14:17<Yaakov>I could put a ? on it, and upper case the first letter.
14:18<akerl>ramesh: Give us the entire /etc/postfix/ file, with the password redacted
14:20<ramesh>full file contents
14:20<akerl>Either you're redacting something, or you're showing us the wrong file, or you're running a different command
14:21<gparent>hell, what's your like
14:21<akerl>Actually, "or you're not setting table and you need to"
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14:21<akerl>Out of curiosity, what distro/version are you running?
14:22<ramesh>debian 7
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14:22<gparent>there is such a thing as 'table', although I'm not using it in my pgsql set up also on Debian 7.
14:23<gparent>What if you put a newline after query=
14:24<gparent>after the end of the whole line, of course, sorry.
14:24<ramesh>at the end of line
14:24<ramesh>same issue
14:25<ramesh>i am using notepad++ to edit this
14:25<ramesh>thats cause issue?
14:25<gparent>well if postfix doesn't see query, it'll look for other fields
14:26<gparent>So if you're using Notepad++ and adding/removing lines that Linux doesn't recognize due to wrong line endings, then it's possible that "query" isn't being seen and thus postfix expects the older variables.
14:28<+linbot>Peng: Why is oedipus a respected leader?
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14:28<Yaakov>Peng: I put it in the title and in the body.
14:28<Yaakov>So, have at it.
14:29<Peng>The first time I ran it it said "why are short people mean" and made me sad. :(
14:29<Yaakov>Peng: :(
14:30<Yaakov>Peng: I decided to make it pretty with the upper case and the ?.
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14:34<ramesh>great thanks
14:34<ramesh>after i edit using nano
14:34<ramesh>its good
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14:55<felixjet>whats the difference in setting "ext4/swap" to disks in the linode manager and doing it with mkfs/mkswap inside distribution with rescue disk?
14:57<akerl>Well, if you pick "raw" in the manage, the manager will think the disks are not ext4/swap
14:59<felixjet>and thats a problem?
14:59<akerl>Well, it means the Manager won't shrink them, if you grow them it won't grow the underlying FS for you
14:59<akerl>I forget what else it'll impact, but it's basically things like that
14:59<felixjet>so i should use the manager feature?
14:59<felixjet>i always used raw
15:00<felixjet>in the past
15:00<Peng>felixjet: Why *not* use the manager features? What are you up to?
15:00<felixjet>dont know heh
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15:00<akerl>Peng: Unless it's changed, the Backup Service actually checks things, it'll back up "raw" just fine if they're mountable
15:00<akerl>It will restore them as ext3 tho
15:00<Peng>did not know
15:01<Peng>I wonder what it does with a raw swap image?
15:01<akerl>I'd have to try it, but pretty sure it'll check the disk, say "well that's swap", and then move on
15:02<Peng>well then
15:05<felixjet>and this is just a stupid question but... should i use ext4 as xvda or xvdb? (and the other, for swap)
15:05<felixjet>just a question of best practices
15:05<felixjet>(or what others do)
15:06<psandin>the answer to your question is mu, however the default fstab assumes xvda is root, and xvdb is swap
15:07<psandin>the question is formulated in such a fashion that no other answer is correct
15:07<psandin>mu is the null of answers
15:07<felixjet>but still default fstab prefers xvda for root
15:08<psandin>prefers undersells it a bit, the default is, conforming to that saves you the step of having to mount from another fs and change it, but it's not inherently correct, just easier
15:10<felixjet>uhm, but even if i choose ext4 over raw, im still getting: Disk /dev/xvdb doesn't contain a valid partition table
15:10<felixjet>is that ok?
15:10<akerl>felixjet: Linode disks don't use partition tables
15:10<akerl>The full block device is the filesystem
15:10<felixjet>well, im agree on that, i never seen a partition table even if i made mkfs.ext4 lol
15:10<felixjet>so i should avoid mkswap and mkfs.ext 4?
15:11<psandin>they don't provide any value
15:11<akerl>If the manager does what you need, why do it manually?
15:11<felixjet>not even swapon?
15:11<psandin>fstab should be doing that for you
15:12<felixjet>cause when i do free -m, i get Swap: 0
15:12<felixjet>ah kk
15:13<buhman>felixjet: on the other hand, mkfs.ext4 may have different/improved behavior between what the host happens to have and what your Linode has.
15:13<felixjet>so i should do it?
15:13<buhman>I think you should do what feels right.
15:14<felixjet>anyway i should do a partition xvda1 too
15:14<psandin>you give humanity too much credit
15:14<felixjet>can't format the disk
15:14<akerl>felixjet: If you do that, it won't boot
15:14<felixjet>so.. let's move on hah
15:15<Peng>Create an image with the manager, and one with mkfs, and compare their tune2fs output to see which is better! :D
15:15<akerl>Also, at the point where you're aiming for newer mkfs versions for perf gains, you may be optimizing from the wrong end
15:15<buhman>looking at the git history for mke2fs, some of the changes might not even be reflected by tune2fs
15:15<akerl>Something about low-hanging fruit, or premature optimization, or cost/benefit, or take your pick of other reasons to not waste the time
15:15<Peng>buhman: Huh.
15:16<psandin>akerl: I'm going to fall back on the old refrain of people are bad at making rational decisions in general
15:16<akerl>That's why we have sysdig
15:16<akerl>and r
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15:47<MajObviousman>absolutely not
15:47<MajObviousman>why would you even ask such a thing?
15:48<mietek>Is anyone aware of issues with some of the distro images provided by Linode?
15:48<akerl>mietek: You're gonna need to be more specific
15:48*MajObviousman is a minute early
15:48<mietek>Booting the two 32-bit distros avaiable, Slackware 13 and Ubuntu 10, fails with "Unable to boot 32-bit on this host. Please open a support ticket."
15:48<MajObviousman>those aren't issues, they're features
15:48<akerl>mietek: That has nothing to do with the distro images
15:49<mietek>Slackware 13 64-bit has certificate issues, Slackware 14 64-bit has a broken 32-bit curl installed
15:49<akerl>The host you're on doesn't support 32 bit VMs
15:49<mietek>emerge doesn’t work in Gentoo 64-bit
15:49<+linbot>Please paste longer snippets over at and not in the channel
15:50<mietek>emerge issue:
15:50<MajObviousman>Slack 13 is long in tooth, so one would be expected to update to a newer version after installation
15:51<MajObviousman>Slack 14 with bad curl? Hmm, that's a tad interesting
15:51<akerl>mietek: My emerge skills are roughly where my node skills are, but `emerge --sync` ?
15:51<mietek>curl issue: /usr/bin/curl: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
15:51<mietek>er, no
15:51<mietek>That’s the corrected one.
15:51<mietek> /usr/bin/curl: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
15:51<mietek>That’s the one originally on the system — but all of the *.so it needs are 64-bit
15:52<mietek>And so it fails to start with an unhelpful
15:52<MajObviousman>so just yank the x86-64 version?
15:52<mietek>-bash: /usr/bin/curl: No such file or directory
15:52<MajObviousman>here, I'll even link it for you
15:52<akerl>mietek: That error is not caused by the arch being wrong
15:52<akerl>So either you're doing something different than you're saying or the issue is not what you think it is
15:52<MajObviousman>akerl: in fairness, mietek expected a seamless experience when installing 32-bit distros
15:53<MajObviousman>if the host doesn't support 32-bit distros, why offer it as a choice?
15:53<akerl>It doesn't, last I looked
15:53<mietek>akerl: can you assume I don’t have my head completely up my ass?
15:53<akerl>mietek: No
15:53<akerl>Especially since, as I said, the error you pasted doesn't match the symptoms you claim exist
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15:55<MajObviousman>mietek: you'll have to excuse akerl, we asked him to stand outside and stare at the sun while we set up a LAN party without him
15:55<MajObviousman>he was out there for 9 hours
15:55<mietek>No worries, it’s nice to be reminded of what IRC is.
15:55<mietek>I’ll be happy to boot another instance and record my steps one by one.
15:56<akerl>For the curious, we could lead with `ls -l /usr/bin/curl`, `ldd /usr/bin/curl`, `uname -a`, and `file /sbin/init /usr/bin/curl`
15:57<akerl>If there's a distro image, I'd love to isolate what it is so we can get Linode to fix it, but you'd be shocked how many people come in here claiming a distro issue that ends up being a heads-up-asses moment
15:57<mietek>I can understand that.
15:57<mietek>For reference, I’m working on extending cross-platform support for my project:
16:01<akerl>That is downright odd
16:02<akerl>Which package does it think it has installed?
16:02<akerl>also, is slackware14-64 actually getting mapped to slackware 14.1 ?
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16:06<ramesh>i was problem connect IMAP server,
16:06<mietek>akerl: so, that’s DistributionID 117...
16:07<akerl>mietek: Yea, it looks like 14.1 is the only slackware other than 13.37, so you should be good on that front
16:07<akerl>I'm curious what package arch the system thinks it has for curl, and if it happens to have any other weird 32bit packages
16:08<mietek>I don’t know how to check that, though. I have no experience with Slackware, apart from what I just figured out, which is `slackpkg remove curl && slackpkg install curl`
16:08<ramesh>how to check my dovecot IMAP port?
16:08<akerl>ramesh: netstat -lpn ? or read your dovecot config, or dovecot's docs
16:09<mietek>In order for that to work, I’ve had to edit /etc/slackpkg/mirrors and enable a working mirror
16:09<mietek>And then, after 64-bit curl is installed, it finally gives a helpful error message
16:09<mietek>curl: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
16:09<mietek>And `slackpkg install cyrus-sasl` fixes that
16:10<mietek>So, I just wanted to signal this to someone from Linode staff
16:10<akerl>May be worth checking slackpkg manpage for whatever their fun "list" command is
16:14<felixjet>how i can know why my linode is starting in rescue mode all the time?
16:14<akerl>It only starts in rescue mode if you tell it to
16:15<akerl>Well, you or somebody else who can log in to your Linode Manager account
16:16<felixjet>i started once, but im doing reboot and poweroff / boot and still goes into rescue
16:16<felixjet>and my confif profile doesn't include finnix in any device
16:16<gparent>isn't that part of your boot profile
16:16<akerl>How are you booting it?
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16:16<gparent>felixjet: as far as I'm aware unless you're pressing "boot" the profile isn't read
16:16<felixjet>yes, randomly now it works
16:16<felixjet>that kind of moments when you ask something and magically it works
16:17<akerl>How were you booting it?
16:17<felixjet>i were doing reboot from lish console
16:17<akerl>Which boots to the last profile used
16:17<felixjet>and also poweroff / boot profile (maybe not)
16:17<felixjet>but now it works
16:17<akerl>Which boots to the profile you select, or the last used profile if you don't specify
16:17<felixjet>didn't know that :/
16:18<felixjet>i believed i could just use "reboot"
16:18<akerl>How did you think it chose which profile to boot?
16:18<felixjet>and it woulnd't go into rescue anymore
16:18<felixjet>having only 1 i never think of that >.<
16:18<Peng>You can use something like "reboot 1" to switch to your real config profile.
16:18<Peng>There's a command to list them -- "configs" or somesuch?
16:22<mietek>akerl: do you know anything about that emerge issue?
16:22<akerl>My initial suggestion was emerge --sync, but I wasn't kidding about my gentoo knowledge being essentially nil
16:22<mietek>Ah, I’ll try that.
16:22<mietek>My gentoo knowledge is dated, uh
16:22<mietek>Back when PowerMacs were a thing
16:23*psandin casts summon dwfreed
16:23*akerl casts summon beer
16:23<psandin>something something gentoo
16:24*mietek boots a fresh gentoo linode
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16:27<mietek>All right, --sync does work
16:27<dwfreed>mietek: the emerge issue is because you have no portage tree
16:27<dwfreed>so yes, --sync would fix it
16:27<mietek>Right. So it’s just me not knowing how to use gentoo.
16:27<dwfreed>but would be slower than grabbing a tree snapshot first
16:27<dwfreed>^ untar that while in /usr
16:28<mietek>Thanks, sync was done pretty quickly.
16:28<dwfreed>that works too
16:29<felixjet>layman -a dwfreed
16:29<Peng>Is it really so slow that they distribute tarballs...?
16:30<dwfreed>Peng: rsync is resource intensive for a full sync like that
16:30<felixjet>i would use emerge-webrsync
16:30<felixjet>instead of untar
16:30<felixjet>it downloads a snapshot too
16:30<dwfreed>emerge-webrsync results in unnecessary data copying :P
16:31<gparent>the time taken to pick either is longer than the average sync
16:31<dwfreed>gparent: that depends on how slow your connection is
16:31<dwfreed>gparent: over 56k dialup, a sync takes 7 minutes, and that's with no changes
16:31<gparent>that was a joke.
16:32<gparent>not that I'm surprised to see you debate its finer points, but still
16:32<felixjet>who uses 56k dialup?
16:32<Peng>Gentoo users!
16:32<gparent>Every gentoo user.
16:33*felixjet offended
16:33<gparent>are you sure you have the USE flag to be able to be offended
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16:33<akerl>50 shades of emerge
16:33<gparent>gentoo keeps you on edge
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16:34<dwfreed>felixjet: in 2011 I had 56k dialup at home
16:34<dwfreed>felixjet: I maintained my gentoo desktop over that
16:35<felixjet>holy s.
16:35<felixjet>in 2011 i had like 100mit
16:35<felixjet>or maybe it was 50
16:35<dwfreed>I lived in BFE
16:37<felixjet>even the cow from the gentoo logo had better connection
16:38<mietek>akerl: OK, so I figured out how to list installed packages
16:38<mietek>akerl: ls /var/log/packages ;p
16:38<mietek>akerl: no i386 packages installed, and supposedly, the 32-bit curl which is installed came from curl-7.31.0-x86_64-1
16:39<felixjet>thanks for the longview ebuild btw
16:40<felixjet>the curl method sucks
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16:41<dwfreed>felixjet: yeah, the curl method is absolutely horrid
16:42<akerl>homework project: write longview in go, distribute static binary
16:42<felixjet>anyway, static binary sucks too
16:42<felixjet>ebuild ftw
16:42<dwfreed>the static binary isn't so bad, but making changes sucks
16:43<akerl>felixjet: Not really, for something like this
16:43<dwfreed>I should add an epatch_user call to the -9999 ebuild
16:43<felixjet>yes because you can't add the staitc binary to the rc
16:44<dwfreed>felixjet: static binary doesn't stop me from making an initscript
16:44<dwfreed>the longview initscript for openrc is in FILESDIR
16:44<felixjet>as a service
16:44<gparent>akerl: atm longview is a perl script with more scripts loaded from directories as plugins, right?
16:44<dwfreed>gparent: yes
16:44<akerl>gparent: basically
16:44<felixjet>dwfreed, but still and ebuild with filesdir :P
16:45<akerl>The whole idea is "make static binary for longview, that works on * x86_64 linux systems", and then anybody who wants to use it can just pull down the single file + whatever meta their service manager of choice wants
16:45<dwfreed>I'm tempted to see if they'll accept a pull request for the curl script to do the proper thing for Gentoo
16:46<akerl>So systemd things get static binary + unit file, sysv gets binary + initscript, gentoo gets binary + a truckfull of vodka and fuzzy handcuffs, etc
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16:46<gparent>we clearly do not have the same USE flags
16:46<dwfreed>akerl: ohbaby
16:47<akerl>USE me?
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16:48<felixjet>it is possible to use longview from another account?
16:49<felixjet>i mean, server A is in linode account A, can i use server A longview api key on an account B?
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16:49<akerl>you can run longview on your local computer
16:49<akerl>so... yea
16:49<felixjet>i see
16:49<gparent>I monitor dwfreed using longview.
16:49-!-Argo is now known as Guest725
16:49<Guest725>I cant login
16:49<Guest725>to my account
16:50<akerl>Guest725: ?
16:50<Guest725>something has happened
16:50<synapt>Tried a Password reset? Checked email to make sure you didn't get suspended for something?
16:50<Guest725>I checked
16:50<gparent>John M!!! You again!!
16:51<Guest725>can i call them
16:51<Guest725>are they open
16:53<thorrr>dang i just realized i am getting wrecked by the exchange rate now
16:53<thorrr>silly economy
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16:53<mietek>Yay gentoo! Compiling things, how I’ve missed you
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17:03<Eugene>I'd like to buy Linodes with non-fiat currency. Do you accept Chevrolet?
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17:04<@rohara>Guest725: Linode is always open.
17:05<@rohara>=== Internet
17:13<Cromulent>heh good to remember the days before ubiquitous SSH use
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17:20<JeremyT>Hi. I installed a Linode, and deployed Ubuntu 14.10. It starts up OK and I can access it. In the default config it uses the default linode kernel -- there's no kernel, /boot or grub on the DomU.
17:20<JeremyT>I need to get this DomU converted to boot using Linode's pvgrub instead. I know I need to install a kernel, grub, and make some modprobe.conf additions to load modules.
17:20<JeremyT>So far I can't get past a "grubdom>" prompt when I boot. Obviously I'm missing something. Anyone know of some docs that would show how to modify a Deployed, stock image to boot via pvgrub?
17:22<retro|blah>Do you have a /boot/grub/menu.lst file or similar? (not aware of whether grub.cfg is recognized now, maybe it is)
17:23<JeremyT>retro|blah: No, I've got /boot/grub/grub.cfg -- it's what grub2 installs & uses, apparently. Does pvgrub maybe require the other one?
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17:29<Peng>Linode's pv-grub doesn't suport grub2 yet afaik.
17:30<Peng>You should either use menu.lst, or use grub 1 to boot into grub 2.
17:30<Zimsky>1st or lst
17:30<Zimsky>oh, L
17:35<JeremyT>Peng: " use grub 1 to boot into grub 2" is more than just symlinking /boot/grub/grub.cfg to /boot/rgub/menu.lst, right? I need to make sure grub 'legacy' in installed too, and then somehow setup chainloading pf grub 1 -> 2?
17:36<Terabyte>I got something cool you might like...
17:36<trippeh>chainloading grub2 is overkill, ubuntu 14.10 has pv-grub-menu package
17:36<trippeh>which manages menu.lst for you
17:38<trippeh>grub-legacy-ec2 also works, does the same
17:39<trippeh>(but may require changing a setting due to outdated xen detection)
17:40<JeremyT>trippeh: ok I'll take a look at both. But my goal is to end up with only grub2 -- configs, tools, etc. Just wanna manage one. I understand it's overkill, but -- it can be done using the chainloading?
17:41<trippeh>these things are mostly self-managing. install a kernel, they update they auto update the file
17:42<trippeh>but chainloading can be done yes. you need to generate a grub2 pv image, and load it from menu.lst
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17:42<Terabyte>so I made this thing:
17:43<Terabyte>it's a fluent api for linode, makes not looking at the docs possible whilst keeping strong types :)
17:43<Cromulent>Terabyte: 1 unit test for the whole API?
17:44<JeremyT>ok, got some reading to do . thx.
17:44<buhman>so many nested directories
17:44<Terabyte>Cromulent yeah, the api is auto generated from a spec. still working on the best way to test. i just would like to see if anybody likes it etc.
17:44<Terabyte>early feedback.
17:45<Cromulent>Terabyte: alas I'm not a Java dev - I bet some Scala people would be interested though
17:46<Terabyte>so rather than do a bunch of json.put("someKeyNotSureIfRequired","ohGodWheresTheDocsForThisParameter"), it forces you to write required params, and lets you discover the optional ones.
17:47<buhman> heh
17:47<Terabyte>yeah i wrote that too. they're kinda "buddies"
17:48<Terabyte>linode was my test for it. :D
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17:49<buhman>not sure how Linode's api would be a particularly 'good' test ;p
17:49<PixelPaul>hi all
17:49<JeremyT>trippeh: fwiw, there seems to be a pvgrub2 already that iiuc provides grub2 support -- with no need for grub1 install. It was merged into upstream grub in Nov 2013. More here:
17:49<JeremyT>I guess that like Peng said, Linodes' not upgrade?
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17:50<PixelPaul>anyone have any experience running a mail server with load balancing?
17:50<Terabyte>buhman well it's medium sized, has some quirks, has mandatory parameters, optional parameters, parameters that are almost always present (api key), it's all get requests, has simple types, and has json output. it's perfect :D
17:50<trippeh> JeremyT: Yep. But you still ned to make a "grub image" when loading it from grub 1.
17:51<Cromulent>PixelPaul: my experience of running a mail server is getting it working and then 5 days later saying "sod it" and paying someone else to do it for me :P
17:51<trippeh>JeremyT: (it can be done using the ubuntu 14.10 grub tools)
17:51<buhman>Terabyte: that sounds like not-rest based on your description ;p
17:52<trippeh>JeremyT: grub-mkimage something or other
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17:52<JeremyT>trippeh: Can't say I understand all of what I'm reading yet, but it seems like you do NOT need grub1 at all -- *if* you use pvgrub2. Making my head spin 8-{
17:52<PixelPaul>wondering if better to have a gateway mail server that sends it onto a storage server or load balance between different servers
17:53<trippeh>JeremyT: yes but the grub 1 is running outside your vm. pv-grub is grub1 :)
17:53<trippeh>or was it grub-pv, never remember
17:53<buhman>grub1 is grub-legacy
17:53<buhman>pv-grub is a fork of grub-legacy
17:53<buhman>grub2 is grub
17:54<buhman>grub supports xen PV.
17:54<trippeh>linode only boots their own pv-grub or kernel, not the grub2 pv stuff.
17:54<buhman>pv-grub can load grub, however.
17:54<trippeh>but linode pv-grub (grub1) can chainload grub2
17:54<JeremyT>pvgrub2 != pvgrub. Linode would have to use pvgrub2 instead.
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17:55<buhman>JeremyT: Linode providing grub would only be convenient, that doesn't mean you can't use it with sufficient hackery.
17:55<trippeh>If you just want to load the damn kernel, just use pv-grub-menu :P
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17:56<trippeh>works directly with Linode's pv-grub
17:56<JeremyT>What I 'want' is to be able to config and manage the DomU's boot environment using grub2 tools.
17:58<buhman>JeremyT: if that's a requirement, then you need to have the grub xen target compiled, and a menu.lst that loads your generated grub xen image.
17:58<trippeh>anyway, if you want to chainload grub2, install grub-xen, then do some grub-mkimage magic and connect the dots in menu.lst :P
17:58<trippeh>(grub-xen is a package in ubuntu)
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17:59<Cromulent>I really hate grub as a bootloader :)
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17:59<buhman>kexec would be a much more fun bootloader
17:59<trippeh>I dont recall the exact command line arguments, been a while since I tried it
17:59<JeremyT>ok, found the grub-XEN pkg now.
18:00<Cromulent>I used to use grub 2 as a bootloader on arch linux until I discovered gummiboot
18:00<buhman>gummiboot isn't really a bootloader
18:01<trippeh>buhman: who cares :P
18:01<Cromulent>buhman: eh what would you call it?
18:01<buhman>'boot menu' perhaps
18:01<buhman>because that's all it actually does--everything else is handled by the firmware.
18:01<Cromulent>buhman: either way it successfully manages my dual boot configuration
18:02<buhman>a good firmware can do everything gummiboot can do without gummiboot.
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18:03<JeremyT>for anyone interested, a nicely written post:
18:04<Cromulent>buhman: except then you have to actually enter the firmware to change the boot target which kinda sucks
18:04<buhman>sane firmwares generally have 'press X for one-off efi boot menu'
18:06<Cromulent>I guess mine isn't sane then
18:08<Yaakov>I AM NOT SANE
18:10<arlen>insane in the membrane
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18:37<@caker>Don't count the days; make the days count.
18:38<@caker></deep thoughts>
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18:51<ldlework>caker: you're showing your age
18:51<@caker>man who run in front of car get tired
18:51<ldlework>I think there's actually a site
18:51<@caker>I think I need a break...
18:55<MajObviousman>Everyone should believe in something. I believe I'll have another drink.
19:00<mietek>I think that Slackware 14.1 image has serious issues.
19:01<mietek>It has /usr/bin/gcc, but gcc is shown as uninstalled, and there’s no linux/limits.h
19:02<akerl>mietek: In all honestly, you're probably the first person who has deployed it in a while
19:03<mietek>I hope it’s clear I’m not trying to whine
19:03<mietek>Just wondering if there’s anyone from staff who’d be interested in fixing their product
19:04<akerl>You may have better luck if you toss them a ticket
19:04<akerl>Since most of us here are Just Regular Folks :P
19:04<mietek>Right. I’ll do that once I manage to build things.
19:04<mietek>BTW, my project is up and running on Gentoo now
19:05<sirpengi>is there a reason you're deploying on slackware
19:05<mietek>So take that Slackware, from team -funroll-loops!
19:05<mietek>sirpengi: I’m not technically deploying anything right now.
19:05<mietek>I’m adding support to the more obscure distros to my project.
19:05<mietek>s/support to/support for/
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21:03<HoopyCat>I AM THE WALRUS ?
21:03<kyhwana>You are the eggman?
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21:07<ldlework>coo coo ka choo
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21:16<virtual>Hmm, so my static IP at my ISP was changed without notification. I queried what was going on. I got this "change to your IP has been performed to improve your service".
21:16<virtual>Real improvement, yep.
21:17<HoopyCat>virtual: the old IP stopped working, so thus, your IP was changed to improve your service from "not working" to "working"
21:17<virtual>HoopyCat: Hah!!
21:18<virtual>Andthere I was, thinking "you broke my ability to log into some sites, that's not an improvement!"
21:18<virtual>I should've seen it from your angle, indeed.
21:18<kyhwana>virtual: now your can't login to the linode manager due to whitelisting?
21:18<virtual>heh, that was one of the easier ones.
21:19<virtual>It happened two weeks ago. They onlyjust got back to me last night.
21:19<virtual>I thought "maybe it'll switch back at some point, because they screwed up something in their config". But,nope, it was on purpose. Yay ISPs!
21:19<virtual>perhaps accidentally on purpose.
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21:48<MajObviousman>virtual: or perhaps they don't value you keeping a static IP as an important part of your business arrangement
21:50<virtual>Indeed. I worked out that this has never happened to me before too. Even with an ISP that didn't promise, I got a static IP for the whole time I was with them (18 months), as opposed to 9 months with these guys. :)
21:51<virtual>I want to see what they come back with for the 'improvement'. :)
21:52<dcraig>do you like the numbers better?
21:52<virtual>dcraig: I'd like to not have to be concerned with changing them.
21:53<dcraig>but are they better?
21:53<virtual>they are simply an address. I don't care what the numbers are. :P
21:53<virtual>Well, okay, if they assigned something that didn't work, I would care.
21:54<virtual>(please don't assign me
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22:57<kyhwana>hmm, guess linode won't be opening a DC in aussie, given the data retention laws they just passed
22:59*dcraig tickles kyhwana around a bit with a large white croaker
22:59<dcraig>retain that.
23:03<virtual>kyhwana: They just pased them?!
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