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---Logopened Thu Mar 19 00:00:58 2015
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00:15<virtual>Good day, cpalmer.
00:16<cpalmer>completely new to irc what is linode supposed to be about?
00:17<virtual>it's a company that supplies you with a virtual server on the Internets.
00:17<virtual>It's got nothing to do with IRC though. :)
00:18<cpalmer>so what do are people supposed to talk about here?
00:19<virtual>Oh, anything. The state of the world. The weather. And "Man! Why can't I get wordpress to work the way I want!"
00:19<virtual>you know, the normal stuf.
00:19<cpalmer>because it's wordpress ha
00:20<virtual>So, guessing you're not a Linode user y et?
00:21<cpalmer>nope. had no idea how to connect to an irc network linode was one of the first results that came up
00:21<synapt>derp, back into bash, back into headaches
00:21<synapt>bleh :P
00:22<shinji257>I remember when I setup an irc server. That was a pain.
00:22<@mmustac>i told you not to pull those spears
00:23<shinji257>Yea well... When I upgraded from Ubuntu 12.04 to 14.04 I didn't bother pulling them again.
00:23<+linbot>New news from forum: Why does Linode provide an external kernel? in General Discussion <>
00:23<shinji257>linbot is a little slow on the trigger
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00:26<synapt>oh sed why are you letting me down
00:26<synapt>too tired for this crap
00:26<dcraig>linbot was busy with other things
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00:31<synapt>Okay gais, opinion times, what's better; `sed -i 's/\/"$DIRECTORY"/\/"$DB"/g' $NEW_DB_NAME.sql` or sed -i -e "s/\/${DIRECTORY}/\/${DB}/g" $NEW_DB_NAME.sql
00:31<synapt>I expect nothing different
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00:32<Nancy>Hi, I tried to sign up, but never received the mail
00:33<virtual>Nancy: checked an spam filters?
00:34<Nancy>yeah, also checked "junk mail", I used hotmail
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00:39<virtual>hmm,the not sure. Perhaps give it a bit more time?
00:39<Nancy>already tried one yesterday...
00:40<virtual>hmm. Don't know what else to suggest - Don't know if any ops are looking that might be able to help.
00:40<Nancy>anybody can help me check if mail has sent?
00:41<virtual>The ops are Linode staff, but you will likely get better support if you call or email them.
00:41<virtual>(this is community support)
00:42<Nancy>ok, thanks...
00:42<virtual>or you could idle here for abit, and hope staff see your query. :)
00:43<Nancy>that's my plan:)
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01:11<PixelPaul>hi all
01:11<PixelPaul>are lined VPS KVM?
01:11<shinji257>No. It's Xen-PV
01:13<PixelPaul>would you say thats better?
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01:14<James_T>about the same
01:15<James_T>compared to paravirt KVM
01:16<synapt>lol I'm glad we're not using this new ticket system at work in any real serious form yet
01:16<synapt>was wondering the odd fuss over something I did a couple days ago that apparently got messed up. Ticket system never even sent me any emails when the ticket was replied to
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01:16<synapt>gogo ticket system!
01:18<shinji257>Sorry. My internet dropped but I didn't miss anything
01:18<shinji257>ZNC FTW
01:18<shinji257>Anyways I think Paravirt KVM is a bit different than Xen-PV (Paravirt). Isn't Paravirt KVM still full virtualization?
01:19<shinji257>Xen-PV is more container based and doesn't emulate as much as KVM afaik.
01:19<James_T>xen-pv doesn't present virtual hardware
01:19<James_T>kvm-pv does
01:19<James_T>(and uses virtio to speed stuff up)
01:19<PixelPaul>anyone know if i need apache installed to run webmin?
01:20<shinji257>Yes PixelPaul but I think the Webmin install provides its own build.
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01:21<PixelPaul>i want to run a mail server, so no need for mysql,php, apache etc
01:21<PixelPaul>anyone recommend a GUI for editing editing configs etc
01:21<PixelPaul>and managing firewals
01:22<shinji257>Actually scratch that.
01:22<shinji257>It provides it's own web service.
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01:22<shinji257>It's been a bit since I used Webmin and I'm probably thinking of when it set itself up.
01:23<purrdeta>Webmin is nice enough. It has it's own web server
01:23<purrdeta>Though, I'd highly recommend you learn to do it all without a control panel
01:23<shinji257>What purrdeta said
01:24<PixelPaul>yeah i want to learn, but something for quick things would be handy
01:24<shinji257>I actually manage my mail server through the console. Then again I have not done anything with virtual users or the like. Not sure which direction your going.
01:24<purrdeta>Webmin edits the config files fairly straightforward and it shows the real names of the parameters it is editing. You can use that to learn what the parameters actually do.
01:25<synapt>tbh as someone who knows how to do it without a control panel, I still like webmin :P
01:26<synapt>Though I only use it for a few things
01:26<synapt>Mainly just ease of managing iptables and nameservers
01:26<purrdeta>Using a control panel isn't *bad*. I just think it is important to know what it is doing behind the scenes.
01:26<synapt>handling DNS records from CLI level is oh so painful with bind
01:26<shinji257>I actually used it at once point to manage the whole server but it got in the way of me setting up apache.
01:26<shinji257>My server doesn't even handle DNS. I let Linode be the master there.
01:26<synapt>Yeah see that's mainly why I like webmin because by most intents it's stand-alone-ish
01:27<synapt>so it doesn't piss with my otherwise self-compiled webstack
01:27<virtual>synapt: I guess I 'grew up' with that, so Im happy with text editing dns records. :)
01:27<synapt>like cPanel does with it's "HEY LETS PUT EASYAPACHE EVERYWHERE"
01:27<purrdeta>cPanel is terrifying :P
01:27<PixelPaul>with the linode clone it mentioned. so i can clone a node to a new one. does that work okay?
01:27<synapt>Speaking of easyapache, I have to go fix the ciphers on this one server -yet again- thanks to WHM resetting them to SSLv2 levels for whatever reason
01:28<shinji257>I think of a worse torture than cPanel
01:28<PixelPaul>because it would clone all the hostnames etc won't it?
01:28<shinji257>*I can't think
01:28<synapt>Yeah I'm not a huge fan of it, especially since I got this latest job
01:28<shinji257>Oh now that I think of it...
01:28<virtual>PixelPaul: hostnames? do you mean vhosts?
01:28<synapt>but pretty much everything on the system relies on cPanel (including a ton of users)
01:28<PixelPaul>gotta run. i'll be back :-)
01:28<purrdeta>cPanel has its place imo
01:29<PixelPaul>thanks guys and girls
01:29<virtual>shinji257: cPanel, worse than? Windows, surely.
01:29<shinji257>Does anyone know of a good way to keep php5-fpm from dying all the time? I'm using a nginx + php5-fpm configuration. Is just doing a regular service restart the only way to deal with it?
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01:29<purrdeta>shinji257: you should try to figure out why it is failing to keep it from doing so.
01:29<shinji257>virtual: cPanel is still worse than Windows
01:29<purrdeta>you may also like supervisord
01:29<virtual>shinji257: LOL
01:30<shinji257>purrdeta: Well it isn't due to ram. The process is still running but it stops responding to requests.
01:30<shinji257>When it happens though I get 502 Bad Gateway from nginx
01:31<virtual>Any idea if the last working request in the log is the same before it dies like that?
01:34<shinji257>I actually went back through the error log (apparently it has been like this for a bit) and I just noticed it starts timing out then eventually goes to resource unavailable.
01:36<virtual>there are actually some hits for php5-fpm and error 502. No idea if they're relevant to you though.
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01:37<virtual>(I still haven't used nginx yet)
01:37<shinji257>Yea. I know.
01:37<shinji257>The leading suggestion was to simply restart it through a cron task or supervise but I don't think the processes die. Or at least they were not dead when I checked.
01:38<shinji257>I'm going to try a config change. I'm changing from dynamic to ondemand instead.
01:38<virtual>yeah, that does sound odd.
01:38<shinji257>The site is low use anyways so it won't matter.
01:38<virtual>heh, okay.
01:38<shinji257>The process will die off and unload then startup again when needed.
01:39<shinji257>I'll setup an memcached server or something for php/wordpress to use.
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01:44<shinji257>Alright... cool. That works.
01:48<synapt>shinji257: Are you getting core dumps or anything?
01:48<shinji257>I looked at it a while back and walked away scratching my head at the oddity of the issue.
01:49<shinji257>If ondemand handling of the processes works though I'll just leave it at that.
01:49<shinji257>It's configured to max at 15 children (the likelyhood of getting there is next to none) and they will time out after 60 seconds which should hopefully be fine.
01:49<shinji257>I'll know in a few days though
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02:13<+linbot>New news from forum: How to disable backup on a linode? in Sales Questions and Answers <>
02:14<ramesh>any one help me about the IMAP issue?
02:15<kyhwana>only if you're more specific
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02:19<ramesh>root@mx:~# telnet 144 Trying Connected to Escape character is '^]'. * OK Waiting for authentication process to respond.. Connection closed by foreign host.
02:19<ramesh>when i try to connect IMAP using telnet
02:19<ramesh>i am getting this issue like connection closed by...
02:20<kyhwana>OK, so what's the problem?
02:20<kyhwana>You realise you have to use an IMAP client and not telnet right?
02:20<ramesh>* OK Waiting for authentication process to respond.. Connection closed by foreign host.
02:21<ramesh>what that issue? how to fix it?
02:21<Peng>"You realise you have to use an IMAP client and not telnet right?" That's the issue and that's how to fix it.
02:21<kyhwana>ramesh: you're using telnet..
02:21<kyhwana>The fix is to use an imap client
02:22<ramesh>and yes
02:22<ramesh>i am just make sure IMAP working or not
02:22<Peng>It sounds like it's working.
02:23<+linbot>New news from forum: how long could the refund process be done? in Sales Questions and Answers <> || Great service, very happy! in Customer Testimonials <> || Very happy with Linode in Customer Testimonials <>
02:23<ramesh>ok let me connect and receice my emails
02:24<arlen>mmm spam
02:25<kyhwana>also I thought imap was on port 143?
02:27<ramesh>how to check if i am receiving emails?
02:27<kyhwana>IMAP isn't SMTP. You "receive" email via SMTP
02:28<arlen>send yourself an email
02:28<ramesh>yes i sent and how to check my emails
02:28<ramesh>via command or any folder?
02:28<arlen>use an email client
02:29<ramesh>sorry to basic questions, i am newbie
02:29<ramesh>example my emails will be stored in a folder ?
02:29<ramesh>where i can find?
02:29<arlen>wherever you told them to go
02:29<arlen>you're the one who set the server up
02:33<shinji257>FYI you can actually use IMAP via telnet. It's just a pita. I don't recommend it.
02:33<+linbot>New news from forum: The linode fiasco: Surprise deletion in Customer Testimonials <>
02:34<ramesh>any command to check the config of mail content storage?
02:35<Peng>Yes, cat and man
02:36<ramesh>cat dovecot
02:36<ramesh>like this?
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02:47<Ashfire908>in the DNS manager, to setup a domain like, I just have to set a.b under the zone for, right?
02:47<Ashfire908>then wait for the dns servers at linode to update?
02:47<ramesh>which email client is best for linode(litespeed server)?
02:47<James_T>the term you're after is subdomain :D
02:48<Ashfire908>Yeah, sorry, noticed that after I sent the message :)
02:48<James_T>all good
02:49<James_T>and yeah, it will be live once the nameservers have reloaded the zone
02:49<kyhwana>Running your own email server isn't for the faint of heart
02:49<Ashfire908>Yeah, they just did a sec ago. Now to wait for the dns to propagate...
02:49<kyhwana>ramesh: litespeed is a webserver?
02:51<kyhwana>Then what relevance does an email client have?
02:54<James_T>yes indeed.
02:57<ramesh>this cause the issue on server?
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02:58<kyhwana>ramesh: .. what issue?
02:58<Guest766>hi is somebody from linode present?
02:58<kyhwana>Guest766: this is linode community support, there may or may not be anyone working linode around
02:59<ramesh><kyhwana> - its all good but not working
02:59<ramesh>you see the screenshoot?
02:59<Guest766>just having some issues with my server and was wondering if there any known issues network wide
02:59<kyhwana>ramesh: not working how? what do your logs say?
02:59<ramesh>not connecting and receiving emails
03:00<kyhwana>ramesh: either you've firewalled port 144 or your imap server isn't listening on port 144 on the external interface
03:00<kyhwana>Guest766: be more specific
03:01<ramesh>imap server listing port and its connecting well, i tested with telnet command
03:01<Guest766>kyh: very slow ping time 300ms + unable to trasfere files
03:01<Guest766>een having issues since yestreday
03:01<ramesh>how to remove the firewalled restriction from 144?
03:01<kyhwana>ramesh: no, you tested it on the server itself. So see my earlier comment
03:02<kyhwana>Guest766: mtr in both directions?
03:02<ramesh>1 sec to confirm outside of server
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03:06<Guest766>kyhw: not sure what do you mean... i can reach the server, but it is very slow... mtr shows some packet loss at my end
03:07<kyhwana>Guest766: so pastebin the output of mtr? (from both directions, you to linode, linode to you)
03:09<ramesh>yes mx.gfeforu,com not connecting from my local(outside server)
03:09<synapt>fellow (probable) sysadmin people
03:10<synapt>Any of you use any support ticket/help desks software, and if so, what do you use (and do you actually like it) :P
03:10<Guest766>I dont have mtr at my end
03:10<kyhwana>Guest766: there's winmtr
03:11<kyhwana>ramesh: so either allow it through your firewall or make sure your imap server is listening on the external interface!
03:11<Guest766>let me check my cyqwin installation
03:12<kyhwana>Guest766: you're in australia?
03:13<kyhwana>Looks like the route back from your linode to route is going via singapore
03:13<Guest766>yes thats very likely
03:14<kyhwana>whats the mtr/traceroute look like from you to your linode?
03:16<kyhwana>(you'll probably want to contact your ISP, linode may or may not be able to do anything about it anyway)
03:17<Guest766>my other connections are fine though
03:17<kyhwana>So what? This is the Internet
03:19<dcraig>my kyhwana is lickety split
03:19<dcraig>my kyhwana connection, that is
03:22<dcraig>wouldn't know it from your response time :(
03:23<kyhwana>dcraig: sorry, the cat caught some of the pigeons
03:23<dcraig>you're using carrier pigeon networking?
03:31<ramesh>hi kyhana
03:31<ramesh>c:\Users\Elcot>telnet 144 Connecting to not open connection to the host, on port 144: Connect failed
03:31<ramesh>i got this errorr
03:32<dcraig>what's port 144 for?
03:33<ramesh>for imap
03:33<ramesh>i need to remove it?
03:33<ramesh>inet_listener imap { port = 144 }
03:35<Peng>"uma 144 tcp Universal Management Architecture"
03:36<kyhwana>ramesh: is your firewall blocking it?
03:37<ramesh>i added 144 to firewal list to allow
03:37<ramesh>how to check my port firewal blocking?
03:40<kyhwana>man iptables
03:43<Peng>Why aaren't we using 143?
03:44<virtual>Because that would be too easy.
03:44<dcraig>because we aren't, ok?
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03:48<ramesh>using internal
03:48<ramesh> Trying telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
03:49<ramesh>using external telnet, same connection isue
03:49<ramesh>using 143
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03:50<sahil>i am looking for Linode 2GB
03:50<sahil>can u please tell me how many email i can send per there any restriction ??
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03:51<dcraig>everybody wants to email tonight
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04:02<ramesh>telnet wtih port 995
04:02<ramesh>not showing any error on when try from my local
04:02<ramesh>so its working?
04:06<virtual>ramesh: Maybe. Difficult for us to know from what you've said.
04:07<ramesh>you can try this command your end and see?
04:07<virtual>Sure, I can try my localhost and telnet to port 995?
04:07<ramesh>telnet 995
04:08<virtual>Only you can tell if the service you want to run on an IP is working as you want it to.
04:08<virtual>The port is open, that's all I can tell.
04:09<ramesh>ok fine
04:09<virtual>If it's meant to be IMAPS, I would say it's not working.
04:09<virtual>though IMAPS runs on 993
04:09<virtual>ah, it's meant to be POP3S?
04:10<virtual>still, looks like it's probably not working, as the port is closed off immediately.
04:10<virtual>You might want to check for any log files for this daemon.
04:11<ramesh>any installer sh fould to setup this email server?
04:12<ramesh>easy way?
04:12<virtual>No idea, sorry.
04:13<kyhwana>running your own email server sucks and it's not for the faint of heart/inexperienced :|
04:14<ramesh>i am new
04:14<ramesh>to setup these type of shits
04:14<ramesh>i am php developer basically
04:16<virtual>You could use someone else to run email, e.g. Google Apps, Fastmail, etc.
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04:22<synapt>kyhwana: I don't -entirely- agree with that, but it can be rough on the inexperienced though yes
04:25<hawk>synapt: I would say it slowly wears down the experienced people as well...
04:26<kyhwana>synapt: plus people don't bother reading up on it and just expect it to work.. when it doesn't work that way..
04:26<kyhwana>(you have to make sure you're not an open relay, configure everything properly, setup SPF/DKIM, etcetc)
04:26<synapt>hawk: Been running my own for quite a while now
04:27<virtual>I agree that people don't bother reading up on it enough.
04:27<synapt>disabling open relay is fairly simple, configuring stuff can be a bit of a pain, SPF is like a couple of rules, DKIM still doesn't even have all that broad of active use/support last I saw
04:27<synapt>etc etc
04:27<synapt>most complicated thing I ran into was getting it to work with my database, lol
04:27<synapt>was a bit of a pain, but once I got past that it's alright
04:28<virtual>heh, I see so many misconfigured DKIM stuf in my logs.
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07:37<+linbot>viva la revolution!
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07:59<au>im having trouble loading the linode website
08:00<au>every time I go to it loads the mobile version of the website e.g. for ipad/mobile device
08:00<au>this is from my macbook pro - safari
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08:19<wblew>Relevant @nickserv
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08:20<wblew><3 Yaakov
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08:25<James_T>apparently it costs $150 to get someone to patch a cable from an MDF to a patch panel
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08:32<Nivex>flappy flappy
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08:35<Nivex>Is this the part where we start riffing on OFTC after all these years of making fun of Freenode?
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08:37<rnowak>we've got ipv6 support, should keep you happy, no? :>
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08:39<@mmustac>ipv5 ftw; you can connect to like 40 computers now all around th world!
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09:01<akerl>That's the spirit :)
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09:08<jarr0dsz>hi, does anyone knows if its possible to create a self signed certifcate that browser do not complain on? firefox complains on self signed certificate
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09:08<jarr0dsz>im not willing to spend money on a certificate i can create myself also
09:09<steveski>you need a "self" CA also
09:09<akerl>jarr0dsz: "not really"
09:10<akerl>You can add the cert (or a self-created CA that has signed your self-created cert) to your browser or operating system's trust store, which will make your browser trust the cert and not show the warning, but that just fixes your client
09:11<akerl>Any user of your site who wanted to not see the warning page would need to do the same steps for securely getting your cert and then adding it to their browser/OSes trust store
09:11<akerl>You're not paying SSL vendors for the cert, you're paying them for the trust chain they provide that gets your cert trusted by browsers
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09:12<Cromulent>alternatively you could install superfish and it'll trust all SSL certificates :P
09:12*guu slaps ajmitch_ around a bit with a large fishbot
09:12<Cromulent>(don't do that)
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09:14<jarr0dsz>only a commercial https certificate would give me a valid validation then?
09:14<jarr0dsz>i mean for visitors of one of my websites, they will not be adding anything just visiting.
09:14<akerl>Only a certificate that is signed by something that is signed by something that is signed by something that browsers have in their trust store
09:14<jarr0dsz>i see makes it clear akerl :) thank you
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09:15<akerl>If you can't trace a path from (a cert in the browser trust store) to (your cert), that's a trust failure, which is what the warning is complaining about
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09:15<Cromulent>jarr0dsz: it only costs $9 a year for an SSL cert anyway
09:15<Cromulent>about the same as a .com domain name
09:16<akerl>Cromulent: Give it a decade, nobody will remember .com domains :P
09:16<Cromulent>akerl: there are some quite cool new domain names out there at the moment :) far too many to choose from though
09:17<akerl>Just stick with .horse
09:17<rails>and noone mentions StartSSL. lol
09:17<akerl>rails: I wouldn't really consider them a free cert, though
09:18<rails>akerl: how so?
09:18<akerl>Because they still charge as part of the lifecycle of the cert, they just have more patience than godaddy
09:18<rails>i've never given them a cent
09:19<Peng_>They charge for revocation.
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09:19<Peng_>They're not "free" certs, they're "betting they'll probably be free" certs.
09:19<rails>If you have to revoke a cert you're doing something very wrong
09:19<Peng_>rails: Like running OpenSSL.
09:19<Peng_>rails: Or... connecting to the Internet. With a computer.
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09:20<akerl>If my grocery store decided to charge me based on sewage output rather than when I take the food from the store, I'd not start preaching how great my free groceries were
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09:20<buhman>time for akerlGrocery
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09:21<akerl>A better pitch for "free SSL" might be CACert, but it turns out that's a lot of effort
09:21<Peng_>or WoSign :D
09:21<akerl>They also appear to have lost some love from browsers :P
09:22<akerl>And one day we'll get systemd-eff-cert, which will solve all these problems anyways
09:22<akerl>Securing all your communications, just run this nice little daemon as root on your servers
09:23<rails>that sounds.. somewhat less secure?
09:23<akerl>rails: You'd think that, wouldn't you?
09:23<jarr0dsz>is there already plans for coreos support on linode?
09:23<akerl>rails: And yet, that appears to be the plan
09:23<buhman>rails: he's making fun of
09:23<rails>akerl: yeah, but i'm a little bias towards systemb
09:24<rails>systemd. wow
09:24<buhman>rails: it actually has nothing to do with systemd
09:25<hawk>rails: Less secure than what?
09:25<akerl>Well, less secure than them giving out certs in a way that didn't promote running a daemon as root persistently on my system
09:26<akerl>Like, letting me run a script as non-root, use my existing web server to serve that up on a privileged port, and then not run their thing as a persistent daemon
09:29*hawk hasn't looked into any implementation... the protocol itself didn't seem like it would necessarily imply running stuff as root, unless I'm completely mistaken.
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09:30<ben-rutgers>hello, question regarding hosting and storage
09:30<Cromulent>ask away
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09:30<ben-rutgers>what if i need more storage than what is listed on
09:30<ben-rutgers>like TBs of storage
09:30<Cromulent>ben-rutgers: then you are out of luck
09:31<akerl>hawk: It expects to be able to bind to a privileged port, so while you could do Fancy Things to give it selective access or to make it think it has the access it needs, but I don't generally like my security to be based on taking an insecure thing and doing Fancy Things
09:31<akerl>ben-rutgers: You upgrade to a larger plan
09:31<Cromulent>ben-rutgers: multiple linodes and a distributed file system might help though
09:31<Cromulent>ben-rutgers: or just use Amazon S3
09:31<ben-rutgers>i don't see any plans other than 192GB
09:31<ben-rutgers>are there higher options?
09:31<akerl>Um, what?
09:31<akerl>the largest plan has 1.9 TB of space
09:32<akerl>Did you click "View all plans" right on that page?
09:32<ben-rutgers>ah there we go
09:33<ben-rutgers>ok yea, but $1000/month is not going to work. i can buy a 4TB hard drive for $300... obviously that's not the same, but anyway the math doesn't work out
09:33<ben-rutgers>trying to figure out how to build a research cluster in the cloud
09:33<ben-rutgers>basically LAMP stack
09:33<ben-rutgers>but a lot of raw data
09:33<akerl>It's not the same, so trying to make the math "work out" isn't going to work
09:33<ben-rutgers>i don't need SSD storage either
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09:33<akerl>You'd then likely want to store the data elsewhere
09:33<akerl>See the previous comment on S3
09:34<ben-rutgers>storing the data on S3 hurts processing speed though
09:34<akerl>How much of it are you concurrently accessing?
09:34<Cromulent>ben-rutgers: how about caching a certain amount of data on the local disk and then having the rest on S3?
09:35<ben-rutgers>not sure about how much is concurrent, i'm not the researcher, just the IT person stuck with figuring this out
09:35<ben-rutgers>Cromulent yes I am considering that
09:35<ben-rutgers>unfortunately that's not how the researcher works currently
09:35<ben-rutgers>so there might be resistance
09:35<ben-rutgers>trying to find a good balance
09:35<akerl>If your goal is having fast access to $all of the data, then you probably *do* want SSD, and you're gonna need a lot more than that one hard drive
09:36<akerl>Since you're going to want to RAID it and then back it up somewhere else
09:36<ben-rutgers>fast access isn't important (SSD speed), just wondering if network speed will be fast enough from Linode to S3
09:36<ben-rutgers>we'll have local backups on-site
09:37<ben-rutgers>plus billing is tough - has flat fee, but S3 access is metered
09:37<ben-rutgers>we are a higher ed institution, we can't handle variable cost per month
09:37<dzho>ben-rutgers: do you know about I've found their blog good food for thought about these sorts of questions.
09:37<Meyer^>ben-rutgers: Most likely. But if you are pushing a couple of hundred GB data per "run" your S3 transfer bill will be interesting.
09:37<ben-rutgers>dzho thanks i will check that resource out!
09:38<ben-rutgers>Meyer exactly
09:38<ben-rutgers>this researcher does a lot of web scraping
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09:38<ben-rutgers>so he generates a lot of storage needs
09:38<akerl>Oh, that kind of research
09:39<Meyer^>ben-rutgers: Can the data be compressed?
09:39<Meyer^>ben-rutgers: Is it compressed today?
09:39<ben-rutgers>hah that's a great question. i don't think so, but it wouldn't be my call anyway
09:39<ben-rutgers>i coudl suggest it to the researcher
09:39<dzho>ben-rutgers: mostly Chris Dagdigian's stuff,
09:39<ben-rutgers>dzho awesome thanks very much!
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09:40<ben-rutgers>thanks all for your help, i'll continue my research into solutions
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09:41<Meyer^>ben-rutgers: Good luck :)
09:43<hawk>akerl: I'm not sure I follow. You might be talking about something else than I thought.
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10:11<vincent>Hello. I'd like to setup a new server in the US. Which location is the best?
10:11<Nivex>as with all things, it depends
10:11<Nivex>run some tests to see what's closest to your client base
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10:13<vincent>Nivex: i'm asking about internal data center specs. which one is the newest and best hardware?
10:13<MajObviousman>I can tell you that Linode's Canada DC has prety attrocious latency
10:13<MajObviousman>I sent a ping back in 2006 that still hasn't arrived
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10:13<ramesh>The email delivery error what i am getting Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently: Technical details of permanent failure: DNS Error: Address resolution of failed: DNS server returned answer with no data
10:13<akerl>vincent: They are the same
10:14<ramesh>any help and i want to confirm my emails sending and receiving
10:14<akerl>ramesh: Yea, that domain doesn't resolve
10:14<ramesh>using my root ssh connection
10:14<ramesh>it possble?
10:14<akerl>That has nothing to do with SSH
10:14<akerl>Did you add that domain in the Linode DNS Manager?
10:14<Nivex>vincent: they are all practically identical
10:14<akerl>ramesh: And you added an A record for ?
10:15<akerl>(hostname would be blank)
10:15<vincent>How do they compare to digital ocean?
10:15<ramesh>www Default
10:15<ramesh>added to A
10:15<akerl>vincent: You're asking a biased audience
10:16<akerl>ramesh: And did you add one with a blank hostname
10:16<vincent>akerl: that's fine
10:16<akerl> resolves, but you lack a blank record
10:16<ramesh>not added the blank
10:16<akerl>so does not
10:16<akerl>Add an A record with a blank hostname
10:17<ramesh>added one blank hostname
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10:18<ramesh>i will send the screenshoot of my dns manager?
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10:19<akerl>If you just added the blank record, no need
10:19<akerl>It'll take effect at the next quarter hour
10:19<jiku>hi there..
10:19<jiku>correct me if i am wrong..
10:19<ramesh>ok akerl
10:19<jiku>we have few linodes in our account.. and added private IP for few of the linodes.
10:20<jiku>is it possible for other linodes (belonging to other customers) communicate with our private IPs??
10:20<Peng_>jiku: Yes.
10:20<akerl>jiku: Yes
10:20<jiku>Peng_, oh. any way we can have a private communication with our linodes only?? i don't see security in that if other customer's linode is able to access my linodes using private interfaces.
10:20<akerl>The private network is "private to the datacenter", anybody in the datacenter with a private IP can talk around on it
10:21<Peng_>jiku: Your computers become insecure when connected to a network?
10:21<akerl>jiku: Linode prevents people from snooping traffic / spoofing their source
10:21<akerl>But you're welcome to VPN / encrypt / firewall as you'd like
10:21<Peng_>jiku: You can set up a VPN if you like, or run applications over SSH or TLS.
10:22<jiku>Peng_, its that we were planning to have some secure communication for sesitive content..
10:22<jiku>ssh tunnel will be ideal case i agree..
10:23<jiku>but it could have been avoided if there was a mechanism where private IPs only confined to set of linodes.
10:24<arlen>oh well
10:24<akerl>Well sure, lots of problems could be avoided if somebody else already solved the problem
10:24<jiku>its just that i am concerned about sniffing packets and other stuffs.. that is all..
10:24<akerl>To note, SSH tunnel doesn't really get you more/less benefits based on how the private network is set up
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10:25<Peng_>jiku: Who do you think will sniff your packets?
10:25<akerl>Linode prevents sniffing/spoofing, but either you trust Linode's network controls and you don't encrypt, or you don't trust them and you encrypt
10:25<jiku>Peng_, just a precaution Peng_ nothing else..
10:25<jiku>akerl, ok
10:25<Peng_>jiku: That doesn't answer my question.
10:26<akerl>And since sniffing/spoofing are already blocked, the difference between Linode's private network and something where only your Linodes can talk is "who can make a connection to my service", not "who can see my connections"
10:26<Peng_>A difference which you can handle with iptables.
10:26<akerl>If you want to approximate the latter, you'd do so with a VPN or firewall
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10:46<akerl>Cromulent: I'm particularly interested in the host key rotation support
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10:47<Cromulent>yeah sounds good - Arch Linux has already updated to it - but alas I use Ubuntu LTS on the server so I guess I'll have to wait until Ubuntu 16.04 :|
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10:51<MajObviousman>yay, another openssl vuln. Well, an existing vuln upgraded
10:52<akerl>got the link handy?
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10:53<akerl>That's fun
10:53<@rohara>11 entries from today
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10:55<MajObviousman>no data loss, this one's just a DoS
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11:22<exvito>Hi, I was browsing plans and could not find out the minimum subscription time: would I be able to use a system for, say, 3 months? 1 month? 1 week?
11:23<akerl>You can add/remove Linodes whenever you'd like
11:24<exvito>akerl: Thanks for your feedback. Is there any additional base cost other than the cost associated to subsribed Linodes as shown in ?
11:25<Ubik>just the obligatory $5 buy-Ubik-a-pizza fee each month... :)
11:26<akerl>exvito: The cost shown is the cost
11:26<exvito>Ok. Thanks a lot for the info and good mood. :) I believe we'll be purchasing a Linode for initial testing soon. Cheers.
11:27<Ubik>exvito: Yep, try it out. We use it for a lot of production stuff too. Never really had an issue.
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11:27<Mahmud>i have a question
11:27<exvito>Ubik: Probably will. Thanks for the input. Bye to all.
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11:28<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
11:28<Mahmud>we would like to host 3-4 web sites under a single node...and would like to have separate IP address for each site, is it supported in linode?
11:29<Ubik>Mahmud: Supported, yeah. It'll do it. As long as you can provide proper justification for the extra IPs.
11:29<psandin>multiple sites, yes, multiple IPs, you better have a good reason for wasting a limited resource
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11:29<Ubik>Mahmud: If you're needing to do multiple sites with SSL, you can do like we do and use nginx with SNI. Works like a charm.
11:30<Mahmud>one reason is - each site is for a different client....and clients will have email do not want to interfere with each others sites
11:31<Mahmud>does linode support commercial CPanel?
11:32<psandin>defined support? they don't go out of their way to prevent you from installing anything including cPane;
11:32<Ubik>Mahmud: Multiple clients (websites and email, different domains) can all operate off a single IP address.
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11:33<Ubik>I don't think there's anything that would prevent you from running cPanel there (I have never done it, have done it on some standalone boxes located locally, hated it, just installed it for a friend who insisted on having it.)
11:33<Mahmud>what about webmail under each site? I have to install myself?
11:33<Ubik>But I see no reason it wouldn't work so long as you have an appropriately-sized Linode for it.
11:34<Ubik>cPanel does all that for you, if you go that route
11:34<psandin>you get a box, with sshd on it, anything else will need to be installed by you after the fact
11:34<Ubik>otherwise, most webmail packages have the ability to figure out the E-Mail domain based on the URL you use to access it ( =, =, etc..)
11:36<Mahmud>good to know...the problem is we are facing difficulty with our current host who gave us a VPS but does not allow to install CPanel...without which clients cannot change email password and redirects
11:36<Mahmud>very embarrasing
11:37<psandin>how can you call it a VPS if they have the power to prevent you from installing cPanel? do you mean they just don't offer centos base images?
11:38<Mahmud>From their quote "Sorry, we haven't commercial service like CPANEL. we can only give you a dedicated VM..."
11:38<Cromulent>Mahmud: well buy cPanel yourself and install it
11:39<Cromulent>Mahmud: it isn't hard
11:39<Ubik>Yeah, it sounds like that's what they are saying... they won't install it FOR you, they won't help you with it, they just provide a VM.
11:39<Ubik>Doesn't mean YOU can't download it, buy a license, and run it yourself.
11:39<rnowak>so it isn't that they do not allow you to, but they don't provide it themselves -- linode doesn't either unless you get a managed account
11:39<Ubik>Same situation with Linode.
11:40<Mahmud>i know...but for only a VM charging $40/month
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11:40<Ubik>Mahmud: for what kind of specs?
11:41<Mahmud>spec; 1 core processor + 1GB RAM + 40GB storage, Ubuntu 14.04 LTS with 1 public/real ipaddress for only this domain and setup cost is free.
11:41<caker>all I wanna do is to ubuntu, even though I don't know who you are .. .you helped me change lanes, while I was driving in my caaar
11:41<Ubik>Without really researching, that does sound a little on the high side.
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11:43<Ubik>Mahmud: Linode... 2GB RAM, 2 cores, 48GB disk.. $20/month ... that's the most comparable to what you have.. you can downsize and get it cheaper, but I'm assuming you need all the resources you have.
11:43<Ubik>And if it were me, I'd definitely want more than 1GB of RAM if running cPanel
11:44<Mahmud>ok...thanks for the answers...will help me to decide
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11:50<v0lksman>hey all...nodebalancer. Typically I run an nginx reverse proxy to serve static content, it proxies to an apache instance to serve dynamic. If I put that setup beind a nodebalancer do I leave that chain in place and just clone my instance to have a secondary worker bee?
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11:52<Peng_>v0lksman: Yes, that sounds good.
11:52<Peng_>v0lksman: Maybe/.
11:52<v0lksman>anything you can suggest as pitfalls?
11:53<v0lksman>typically I would let nginx decide and bring up an other apache instance...but thinking a nodebalancer may be a better/easier solution
11:53<v0lksman>(IE let nginx proxy load balance for the dynamic connections)
11:54<linbot>New news from status: Scheduled Network Maintenance - Newark <>
11:54<psandin>make sure the nginx and apache both play nice with multiple X-Forwarded-For headers
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11:56<v0lksman>hrm...didn't think of that at all...will check on that for sure
11:56<hawk>It's not supposed to be multiple headers, is it? Just multiple values in the same header...?
11:57<hawk>iirc, it's a comma-separated list or something like that
11:58<v0lksman>either way...I think I'm going to setup a test env and see how this goes...
11:58<v0lksman>I was JUST informed the client is expecting news coverage this time is limited...hahaha
11:58<Peng_>Yeah you'd probably have Nginx modify the X-Forwarded-For header, not send two headers.
11:59<Peng_>proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For proxy_add_x_forwarded_for; or such
11:59<Peng_>proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $proxy_add_x_forwarded_for; or such *
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12:00<v0lksman>already do, so that should be fine...and I'm pretty sure my app doesn't care if it has one or more addresses in there too
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12:21<MajObviousman>so, serious question:
12:21<MajObviousman>is this a dumb idea?
12:21<MajObviousman>I kinda don't want to burn two hotswap bays with system disks
12:21<MajObviousman>I need the space
12:22<MajObviousman>stick two mSATA disks on it, put them in raid1
12:22<MajObviousman>you can't replace without pulling the system apart though
12:23<dwfreed>do you need the speed of real SSDs?
12:24<dwfreed>MajObviousman: ^
12:24<MajObviousman>not particularly
12:24<dwfreed>run off a USB flash drive, then
12:24<MajObviousman>I was thining of that too
12:24<dwfreed>some mobos have real USB ports internally
12:25<MajObviousman>duty cycle of USB flash drives are nice and high these days right?
12:25<dwfreed>high enough
12:25<MajObviousman>e.g. they can handle being system disk and log target for 2 years
12:25<dwfreed>you should be fine
12:25<MajObviousman>maybe two USBs, one mounting the other so both can keep up to date
12:26<MajObviousman>basically, when I ship this thing, I'm never seeing it again. That's the supposition anyway
12:28<MajObviousman>rnowak: what?
12:29<rnowak>well, electronics sometimes break
12:29<MajObviousman>go on ...
12:30<rnowak>if you're hoping to never see it again, but you're the one that will see it if it breaks, you might end up disappointed :P
12:31<MajObviousman>not hoping to, but expecting
12:31<MajObviousman>it's going across the ocean
12:32<MajObviousman>if I can tell the remote hands, "Yank the red USB out of the back and hit reboot"
12:32<MajObviousman>that's a lot better than "Pull the box apart and replace the mSATA drives with the ones I just shipped you"
12:32<MajObviousman>quicker too
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12:50<MajObviousman>will Linode DNS act as slave if the master isn't a Linode server?
12:50<MajObviousman>ok, thanks
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12:54<dwfreed>MajObviousman: it doesn't care what the master is
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13:07<Eugene>MajObviousman - I wouldn't trust them as log targets, no
13:08<dwfreed>I wouldn't trust anything local as sole log target
13:08<Eugene>I was approaching it more from a flash endurance standpoin
13:08<Eugene>I would advise having IPMI available, but running that over the open internet is a no-no.
13:08<Eugene>If you've got a private LAN available then great, but I dunno the setup
13:09<akerl>IPMI over the internet is great
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13:09<akerl>What's that saying? "given enough people with root, all system issues are shallow"?
13:09<miranda>lol ipmi over the internet :)
13:09*dwfreed notes that sometimes it is unavoidable
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13:10<akerl>idk, it seems pretty avoidable with tunneling
13:10<miranda>STONITH on public networks wheeeee
13:10<dwfreed>akerl: only if you have another device you can tunnel to
13:11<@rohara>dwfreed: duh
13:12*akerl ponders the nature of one-sided seesaws
13:13<dwfreed>when the device you need to access is your network's firewall, and you have no other devices in its WAN side network you can tunnel to, you don't really get a choice in the matter
13:14*akerl ponders the kind of firewalls that have IPMI
13:14<dwfreed>the kind thrown together by people with access to lots of servers, but no real firewall hardware
13:14<dwfreed>you can do a lot more fun things when your firewall is just a linux box
13:15<dwfreed>today I think I'm going to learn how to use OpenFlow to make VLANs without VLANs
13:15<akerl>This brings us back to the seesaw, because if we have lots of servers and we're cool using servers as firewalls, make 2 of them firewalls
13:15<dwfreed>limits on space and power
13:15<Eugene>I've had great success with a pair of Atom machines
13:15<miranda>I love my Atom firewall
13:15<akerl>dwfreed: What are they doing with the lots of servers if not using physical space and power
13:16<miranda>Jetway Ftw :)
13:16<dwfreed>akerl: we only have so many rack units and so many watts in the shared cabinet, and we only have certain kinds of hardware we have access to
13:17<dwfreed>fortunately, in the new cabinet we're hopefully moving to soon, I'll be able to tunnel to a box another friend runs in the same WAN
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13:18<Meyer^>Sometimes people are paranoid just so that they can be paranoid
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13:20<akerl>Paranoia pays well, in 2015
13:20<akerl>And the valuation on paranoia seems to be trending up
13:21<akerl>Though I have doubts it'll continue
13:21<dwfreed>what you did there, I see it
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13:24<imsnowman>hello, can i use custom ISO on linode?
13:26<caker>sure, once you install it somewhere and then lob the resulting install up into a Liniode
13:26<dwfreed>imsnowman: ^ see that
13:27<imsnowman>i wanna use cpanel ISO
13:28<staticsafe>step 1 - build your linode with CentOS6, step 2 - run cPanel install script, step 3 - not so much profit
13:28<dwfreed> <- this is staticsafe's step 2
13:29<imsnowman>thank you very much
13:30<Yaakov> No, thank YOU.
13:31<imsnowman>no way to use custom iso from cpanel?
13:31<staticsafe>not without a lot more work
13:31<akerl>You can use their custom ISO if you'd like
13:31<akerl>It just means installing locally and then pushing the result up, as per the guide above
13:32<dwfreed>but it's easier just to use Linode's CentOS 6 image, and then their script to install cPanel on top
13:32<imsnowman>ok i understand
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13:41<MajObviousman>Eugene: so then, log targeting on spinners, but keep the dynamic stuff off of the flash drive
13:41<MajObviousman>makes sense
13:41<Eugene>That sounds saner
13:41<Eugene>If possible run a ro environment ;-)
13:42<Eugene>Alternately: USB HD
13:42<MajObviousman>not room for that
13:42<MajObviousman>but good thought
13:43<Eugene>2.5" will almost always fit
13:44<dwfreed>MajObviousman: also remote logging
13:44<MajObviousman>well, I kinda want two of them
13:44<akerl>Get twilio account -> text logs to your phone -> next problem
13:45<dwfreed>s/next/fix logger to only text the important ones so your phone stops blowing up -> &/
13:45<Eugene>I log to /dev/null. It's blazing fast.
13:45<MajObviousman>there's two onboard USB drives
13:45<MajObviousman>and two out the rear
13:46<v0lksman>so I setup a node balancer, I have my nginx setup behind it. Default rule is to force to SSL, however when I try to browse to my site vie SSL I get an error 400 from nginx saying that an HTTP request was sent to the HTTPS port. Why would that be?
13:46<MajObviousman>ugh remote logging
13:46<MajObviousman>I have no other systems over there
13:46<akerl>v0lksman: You're doing HTTPS mode on the Nodebal?
13:46<MajObviousman>this is supposed to be the beachhead
13:47<@rohara>v0lksman: you need to serve HTTP traffic to the NodeBalancer if you're terminating SSL there.
13:47<v0lksman>akerl: yes...I have a port 443 rule setup
13:47<akerl>See what rohara said
13:47<akerl>Nodebal <-> your backend is HTTP
13:47<v0lksman>so how do I tell the nodebalancer to redirect any non-ssl traffic to ssl?
13:48<akerl>You don't
13:48<v0lksman>how is that handled then? nginx typically would manage that for me with a couple rules
13:48<akerl>You're welcome to redirect on the backend based on the X-Forwarded-Proto header if you'd like
13:48<v0lksman>so have nginx inspect and redirect based on X-Forwarded-Proto then?
13:49<v0lksman>okee dokee
13:49<MajObviousman>I suppose I could just stick up a ramdisk and have syslog print into that while also sending remote. Then every 30 min or so rsync the ramdisk to the flash
13:49<MajObviousman>that'd certainly cut down on I/O
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14:01<v0lksman>so my Port 443 rule now points to internalIP:80 right?
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14:35<gthutch>Hey all, quick question - is there an easy way to make an image of my current server so if something messes up getting WebscaleSQL installed I can start from where I left off? Sorry if it's a stupid question
14:35-!-sqpat [~sqpat@] has quit [Ping timeout: 480 seconds]
14:35<akerl>You mean like a backup?
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14:36<gthutch>I think I do lol
14:36<gthutch>I don't want to just backup the files but the configuration, etc
14:36<gthutch>So I can basically redeploy the image and be back where I was
14:36<psandin>what kind of configuration doesn't reside in files?
14:37<akerl>The Linode Backup Service backs up every file on every disk image, and when you restore it puts them all there
14:39<gthutch>Awesome, thanks!
14:40<buhman>gthutch: Linode Images does this faster with less mangling
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15:06<linbot>New news from forum: Hosting multiple webservers with a single linode in General Discussion <>
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15:12<goldo>hi to all
15:13<goldo>someone can help me please
15:13<akerl>This is the user community. If you have a question, you're welcome to ask it
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15:15<goldo>sorry for my english
15:15<goldo>after installed citadel
15:15<LuizNeto>I have a question
15:15<LuizNeto>can any one can help me please ?
15:15<goldo>i configure a ssl for one of my domain
15:15<akerl>This is the user community. If you have a question, you're welcome to ask it
15:15<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
15:15<LuizNeto>Thanks a lot!
15:15<goldo>i can't connect do citadel
15:16<LuizNeto>Im trying to run the command a2dissite default
15:16<akerl>goldo: What URL are you using to connect to citadel
15:16<LuizNeto>I get an error
15:16<LuizNeto>site default does not exist
15:16<akerl>LuizNeto: Sounds like that site doesn't exist
15:16<akerl>which is about as disabled as it gets
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15:17<LuizNeto>Im trying to install
15:17<LuizNeto>the hosting
15:17<LuizNeto>I've already instaled the Apache
15:17<akerl>LuizNeto: So it sounds like you can move on to the next step
15:17<goldo>i have some error certification
15:17<akerl>goldo: You're serving HTTP over port 443, not HTTPS
15:17<goldo>another problem the webcit can't stat
15:18<akerl>You need to make sure your webserver is configured to serve HTTPS on 443
15:18<LuizNeto>And how can I check it ?
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15:19<goldo>where i can see that in httpd.conf?
15:19<akerl>goldo: Wherever you set up the site to be served
15:19<akerl>It'll either be in httpd.conf or some other file included from there
15:19<akerl>LuizNeto: It sound like you're all set. you want the default config to be disabled. It doesn't exist. Success
15:20<goldo>i already configured this in httpd.conf
15:20<goldo>but i have the same problem
15:20<LuizNeto>So <akerl> you are saying that everything is fine ? Can I move on ?
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15:21<goldo>before install the ssl certificate the citadel work perfectly on por 443
15:21<akerl>LuizNeto: I'm saying that "a2dissite default" is designed to disable the default site. It doesn't exist, and it doesn't get more disabled than that
15:21<akerl>goldo: It sounds like when you changed your config, you introduced this error
15:21<akerl>I'd recommend rechecking what you changed
15:22<LuizNeto>I got it now
15:22<LuizNeto>thanks so much <akerl>
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15:26<goldo>is there a some cmd to show where change i make ? thanks
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15:27<akerl>Whatever files you edited when you changed your webserver config
15:27<akerl>open those up again
15:32<goldo>Thanks Akerl
15:32<LuizNeto>I was not able do do it <akerl>
15:33<goldo>but i reinstall the certificate
15:33<LuizNeto>I got an Action Config test faild
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15:38<saeed>Hi guys, does linode api python sdk uses only "POST" or does it use GET as well
15:43<zifnab>see 'request format'
15:43<zifnab>either or works apparently
15:43<saeed>i've seen that, but api_key is viewable if I use GET, isn't it
15:45<caker>it's https, so .. viewable by whom?
15:46<zifnab>assume antyhing past the / is encrypted in https
15:46<zifnab>your browesr still sees it
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15:46<linbot>New news from forum: Who's a good domain registrar? in General Discussion <>
15:47<grawity>so I'm moving stuff from a KVM VPS 'elsewhere' to Linode
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15:47<saeed>I see, but if i'm using python sdk (on github) then even the browser wouldn't be involved
15:47<grawity>is it better to set up my stuff anew, or could I just rsync /
15:47<zifnab>it sends the encrypted form of 'GET /path?key=val&key2=val2 HTTP/1.1\nHOST: $server_hostname' on port 443
15:49<saeed>@Zifnab thanks.
15:49<zifnab>GET is only 'insecure' to pass things with in a browser
15:49<zifnab>and thats only because the browser saves it in the history
15:50<zifnab>in the background its a socket, ssl negotiation, then exchagne of encrypted data anywhere
15:51<zifnab>caker: question: do you guys have software devs in philly?
15:51<akerl>zifnab: what
15:51<Ubik>grawity: I'd start new, and if you rsync, just rsync over things like /home, or other user data.
15:51<caker>zifnab: not yet - but soon
15:51<Ubik>grawity: not sure that a simple rsync / would work
15:51<zifnab>caker: i'm only asking because i applied, and talking to HR friday it sounds like
15:51<caker>oh, nice!
15:51<zifnab>a transfer to philly might make me more likely to pursue it
15:52<caker>well, all of that is coming - if you want to front load it :)
15:52<zifnab>going to be pretty specific about it on friday :)
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15:54<ramesh>finally i got email server workings
15:54<ramesh>and minor issues on when sending the email
15:54<ramesh>Requested action not taken: mailbox name not allowed
15:54<ramesh>this message what i am getting
15:55<grawity>buhman: so I finally decided that my current host was /too/ incompetent
15:55<zifnab>grawity: you could just rysnc /, preferably i redo everything...
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15:55<zifnab>i've done that route for hyper-v -> xen before
15:57<MajObviousman>rsync is never happy with me for trying /proc
15:57<MajObviousman>can't imagine why
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15:57<zifnab>ignore /proc, /dev, /sys, maybe some others
15:57<grawity>we're proud to announce a new rsync option, --one-file-system, handcrafted just for you
15:58<buhman>grawity: 'current host'?
15:58<akerl>one file system to rule them all, one filesystem to mount them, one filesystem to bring them all and in the unexpected shutdown lose all your data?
15:58<grawity>buhman: fileMEDIA
15:58<zifnab>akerl: i keep web stuff in /srv :/
15:58<zifnab>seemed like a good place ot hide things gunicorn launches
15:59<buhman>grawity: what does that decision mean?
15:59<grawity>buhman: I got a linode
15:59<grawity>buhman: have I already ranted about how they "didn't notice" so many disk failures that their entire zfs array went poof? >_>
16:00<buhman>well, catastrophic failures do happen, even on Linode.
16:01<ramesh>anyone can help?
16:02<akerl>ramesh: It sounds like you're missing a mailbox
16:03<ramesh>i have the mailbox
16:04<ramesh>and i can receive only email from current domain(if anyone sending email using current domain)
16:04<ramesh>emails from outside domain not working
16:05<ramesh>if i am sending the email using gmail, its not receiving
16:06<gparent>what do your mail logs say, if anything
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16:07<ramesh>no error in the log
16:08<ramesh>any where restriction to allow onlly emails from current hosting?
16:08<gparent>No error or "nothing related to the email I seem to have sent from gmail"
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16:08<gparent>all output is useful, error or not, hence the precision
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16:10<ramesh>Message not sent. Server replied: Requested action not taken: mailbox name not allowed 553 5.7.1 <>: Sender address rejected: not logged in
16:10<ramesh>this is error when sending email from host
16:10<gparent>Please use pastebins for error output
16:11<ramesh>Mar 19 20:10:02 lda( Info: sieve: msgid=<>: stored mail into mailbox 'INBOX'
16:11<ramesh>this is what i am getting now
16:12<gparent>Try fixing one thing at once
16:12<gparent>Not emailing from gmail, then your host, then giving me both error messages without me knowing which is which
16:12<gparent>Also, mail logs are hard to read with one line of context
16:13<gparent>Others who do this more often than me here may have better recommendations, but giving us a significant portion of the last part of the log would be a lot more helpful than a single line
16:14<gparent>So, to resume: Go on gmail, email yourself, wait a minute, then paste the last lines from your mail.log. If there's nothing at all there, maybe external mailers are unable to connect to you at all.
16:14<gparent>What distro is this?
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16:14<ramesh>debian 7
16:14<gparent>mail.log would have a lot more info than dovecot-sieve
16:14<gparent>typically at least
16:17<ramesh>not found any logs
16:17<ramesh>in mail.log
16:19<gparent>There's no file named /var/log/mail.log ?
16:20<gparent>erm, either that's weird or I have a really poor recollection of the time I configure my syslog agents.
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16:25<akerl>Really, just go look around in /var/log for the thing that looks mail-ish
16:27<ramesh>no mail.log
16:27<ramesh>i was created manually mail.log
16:28<ramesh>but no luck
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16:30<ramesh>i got the email
16:31<gparent>your server works
16:31<gparent>well at least receiving mail from non-gmail seems to.
16:32<ramesh> its not
16:32<gparent>So you're not receiving email as we speak? I just sent one from another account
16:33<ramesh>please do
16:33<ramesh>let me check
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16:37<ramesh>i tested with live accoutn too
16:37<ramesh>its working
16:37<ramesh>but when i sending emails from
16:37<ramesh>its not working
16:37<ramesh>any help?
16:38<gparent>Not sure what I could do at this point. No logs to look at, and it works perfectly fine from my mail server.
16:38<saeed>Hi guys, I got a question, I have a stackscript to run after a node is created, how can I run it via API
16:38<gparent>isn't there a field for the script
16:39<dwfreed>deploy via stackscript
16:39<saeed>stackscript in API has " create, update, delete, list, show, source " as action with CLI,
16:39<dwfreed>you create a disk from the stackscript
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16:40<dwfreed>note that you need to build the config profile and swap parts yourself
16:40<saeed>with API it has, create, delete, list , update
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16:40<dwfreed>saeed: see the link I just posted...
16:40<dwfreed>you create a disk, from a stackscript
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16:42<dwfreed>caker: can you please please please fix the kerning in the api docs? This is ugly:
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16:46<saeed>thanks dwfreed
16:49<@rohara>dwfreed: I think we'll leave it for you.
16:50*dwfreed twitches
16:51<MajObviousman>cannot unsee
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17:02<nate>You know at first I was like "Need to fix your font yo'"
17:02<nate>then I visited the page
17:02<nate>what a weird font combo
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17:06<rnowak>yeah the keming is pretty bad there
17:08<zifnab>found this on stack overflow:
17:08<zifnab>'wget in bash'
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17:08<rnowak>[breathing intensifies]
17:09<zifnab>also, problem: according to tmux, larger resolution hsa less space
17:09<zifnab>new work surface is 2160x1440, work monitors are 1920x1080
17:10<zifnab>tmux open on 1080p screen gets resized down :(
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17:11<jarr0dsz>hi everyone, im in need of an ssl certificate for a simple magento webshop runningo n one of my linodes
17:11<Cromulent>jarr0dsz: namecheap
17:11<jarr0dsz>anyone could recommend me a cheap and good party to get this ecertificate from?
17:11<kyhwana>jarr0dsz: linode don't supply SSL certs, if you want a free one, try wosign
17:11<kyhwana>or if you want a paid one, look on
17:11<Cromulent>jarr0dsz: $9 a year at namecheap - works like a charm
17:12<jarr0dsz> created a self signed one but need one from authorized party, 1 domain not wildcard would be enough will be the first one i buy ever
17:12<jarr0dsz>ah cool Cromulent cheap indeed i check thanks
17:12<kyhwana>jarr0dsz: Also use for your TLS config server side
17:12<kyhwana>jarr0dsz: wosign is crossigned by startcom, so will work in the major browsers
17:13<jarr0dsz>namecheap not?
17:13<kyhwana>namecheap are, sure
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17:15<hawk>Well, namecheap is just a reseller.. But yes, the certs they sell (Comodo, Geotrust, maybe something else?) are trusted by pretty much everything.
17:19<hawk>Regarding an ssl certificate for a web shop you may want something fancier than just a supes cheap domain-validation cert, though.
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17:27<kyhwana>hawk: for DV certs the price doesn't make a difference
17:28<hawk>kyhwana: Ok, poorly phrased I guess. What I intended to say is that maybe they don't want a domain-validated one, which will exclude the super cheap ones.
17:30<Cromulent>hawk: as long as the server has been set up to use strong cryptography and perfect forward secrecy I don't see much of a difference - I've been searching for information on sales numbers of standard SSL certs versus EV certs and the data just isn't there
17:31<gparent>zifnab: hopefully you're not gonna rely on that wget thing though
17:32<akerl>hawk: Why?
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17:33<hawk>akerl, Cromulent: Because the domain-validated ones don't say anything about who you are.
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17:34<Cromulent>hawk: 99% of people don't know the difference between a domain validated SSL cert and an EV cert - they just see the green padlock and assume it is safe - you are thinking about tech people and the majority of people on the web know jack shit about computers
17:35<akerl>As far as I can tell, the vast majority of users have no concept of different types of SSL validation or their impact on the process, they just look for the happy green lock (if they even bother to do that), and of the people who do know the difference, most of them tend to know it's a load of snake oil / faith in some less-than-stellar central authorities
17:35<MajObviousman>also screw the EV certificates with really long friggin names
17:35<MajObviousman>because that just takes up my Awesome Bar and pisses me off
17:35<akerl>Clearly not so awesome now!
17:36<MajObviousman>for instance:
17:36<kyhwana>hawk: meh, DV certs are fine
17:36<MajObviousman>that's just obnoxiously long
17:36<kyhwana>What Cromulent said :P
17:36<gparent>ive gotten so used to not having the awesomebar I don't even remember what it looks like enabled anymore
17:36<akerl>MajObviousman: I think the best part is that my Chrome doesn't show their EV because it's busy pointing out the mixed content
17:37<gparent>btw, while we're talking about SSL, it's actually really easy to get added to the chrome HSTS list if you wish
17:37<gparent>Haven't tried Firefox yet
17:38<akerl>gparent: Side note: once you're on it, if you ever bone things up you're basically screwed
17:38<Cromulent>and firefox (they have the same list)
17:38<gparent>akerl: So far so good!
17:38<akerl>Since the process to get off the list is... less easy :P
17:38<gparent>I added some things like my webmail on it
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17:38<akerl>And yea, Firefox gets their list by periodically copying Chrome's list
17:38<gparent>One thing I am clearly clueless about is how CRLs are fetched regarding previously cached HSTS headers
17:38<gparent>Will it try to fetch the crl... over ssl?
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17:39<dwfreed>most browsers don't currently fetch CRLs
17:39<akerl>Was about to say that
17:39<gparent>Is it a default-off thing or they don't implement it, on average? I know FF has a OSCP setting
17:39<gparent>(which isn't the same, I know)
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17:49<zifnab>gparent: nope
17:50<hawk>Cromulent, akerl, kyhwana: My impression is that the vast majority don't even know to look for the padlock thing, so going by the same reasoning you can skip it entirely. ;) But sure, it may or may not be worthwhile. Personally I think a web shop would be deep enough into dealing with sensitive data that it probably *is* worthwhile, though.
17:52<Cromulent>hawk: as long as the encryption is secure I wouldn't worry about it - I'd be more worried about web shops that are built by clueless people who end up storing credit card data on their own servers that is a much bigger worry than whether you have an EV cert or not
17:53<Cromulent>having said that I recently found that my doctors surgery website still uses RC4 and 3DES for their encryption :|
17:53<akerl>hawk: Yes, from a user perspective, most users will use your site even if you don't have SSL. From the perspective of the person running the web service, you want SSL so that the credentials you're capturing are secure, but you don't care what validation the company signing your cert does because you don't need to be convinced you're you
17:53<gparent>my nginx has multiple personality disorder how 2 fix
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17:56<akerl>A more interesting question might be "is there a market in the future for signed client certs"
17:56<akerl>Which I guess is dependent on somebody getting off their ass at Google/Mozilla/etc and making client cert usage not be a pile of shit
18:00<hawk>Cromulent: Well, not just them storing credit card data... I would say them handling the credit card data whatsoever is a really bad sign for smallish shops.
18:01<MajObviousman>akerl: might as well hang a sign out on who you are
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18:04<Eugene>I'm considering setting up a LLC for the sole purpose of getting a Green Bar EV Cert for
18:04*Eugene is not a thrifty man
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18:08<Cromulent>heh awesome
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18:12<akerl>I cannot focus on his words because whoever is controlling the camera cannot pick an angle
18:12<akerl>I feel like I'm waiting for it to pan to a jumpscare
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18:19<Cromulent>that guy is pretty awesome
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19:03<caker>dwfreed: re kerning: what OS/distro/browser? <- would be helpful
19:05<akerl>OSX/Yosemite/Chrome here
19:05<gparent>It's pretty bad on Windows 7/Latest firefox stable
19:05<gparent>I was at work earlier when I checked it out
19:05<caker>wait - now I'm seeing it. This is a recent change, then -- ok, thanks - we'll look into it ... it didn't used to be like this
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19:23<praetorian>dwfreed turned on Comic Sans mode
19:24*akerl finds the blog post with tha
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19:40<@jfred>akerl: that page is evil
19:41<Eugene>urmom is evil
19:45<SNy>praetorian: SpÃeaking of Comic Sans, have you seen Sans Bullshit Sans? MMD yesterday.
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19:48<dwfreed>caker: OS X/Mavericks/Chrome
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19:53<zifnab>woo kerning
20:03<buhman>letter-spacing: -2px
20:09<praetorian>$ svn blame
20:09<akerl>praetorian: hg
20:14<praetorian>i was almost going to use cvs.
20:15<buhman>as long as it's not vss
20:15<akerl>Best version control system is mailman
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20:16<praetorian>i thought best version control was "mv" and "cp"
20:16<praetorian>buhman: fact: we still have a VSS repo at work.
20:16<buhman>'foam cup' and 'string'
20:17<praetorian>even worse. we have a few SCCS repos.
20:17<praetorian>> Initial release1972; 43 years ago
20:17<praetorian>thanks wikipedia.
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20:32<v0lksman>something funky going on with longview install scripts.
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20:36<v0lksman>2 different systems and both I decline modifying apache or nginx and then it hangs
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20:39<akerl>What does it say?
20:40<v0lksman>it just asks about apache again but is hung at that point
20:41<v0lksman>if I log in and kill off the pid it goes away...but 2 systems exact same hang
20:41<v0lksman>different results though. on one the longview daemon is talking, the other it's not
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20:47<matrixdevuk>Anyone here that sorts out employment? I have a few questions.
20:48<HoopyCat>praetorian: i think you've got us beat with SCCS... i think the shittiest hell we have is ClearCase
20:48<HoopyCat>matrixdevuk: i've managed to hold a job for three years without getting canned, and i've managed to file taxes on-time for quite some time now. what's up?
20:49<matrixdevuk>HoopyCat: in need of a side job type of thing.
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20:50<matrixdevuk>Maybe a work from home support agent type of thing.
20:50<HoopyCat>matrixdevuk: bartenders tend to look pretty happy, but i'm not sure it's a great job.
20:50<matrixdevuk>With Linode, of course.
20:50<akerl>matrixdevuk: Did you try reading their website?
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20:50<HoopyCat>matrixdevuk: oh.
20:51<matrixdevuk>Those are not exactly work from home/side jobs.
20:51<akerl>And so you read about the available jobs, and how to contact Linode?
20:51<akerl>That is correct
20:51<HoopyCat>matrixdevuk: linode isn't exactly a work-from-home/side-job kind of company
20:51<matrixdevuk>That is why I came here and asked if anyone here sorts out employment.
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20:51<akerl>This is the user community
20:51<matrixdevuk>If nobody is available here, I'll email them.
20:51<zifnab>matrixdevuk: so a little bit of input, just from what i'v eheard
20:51<zifnab>they don't offer remote work
20:51<matrixdevuk>I assumed the OP's here were staff?
20:51<dwfreed>they are
20:52<matrixdevuk>Oh, they don't?
20:52<dwfreed>but this is still the user community
20:52<zifnab>they pretty much want you to move to galloway
20:52<dwfreed>and no, Linode doesn't do remote work
20:52<zifnab>or a new office in philly!
20:52<akerl>matrixdevuk: Which is why they don't list remote work on the webite
20:52<zifnab>which might be cool
20:52<SleePy>Its nice when I type something in like upgrade 12.04 to 14.04 and there is Linode's guide as the #1 result.
20:52<akerl>Same reason they don't list welding jobs on the website
20:52<matrixdevuk>Well, thanks guys. Saved me a bit of a wait. :)
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20:53<arlen>damn I wanted to be a Linode welder
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20:53<arlen>my dreams are crushed
20:53<zifnab>how about a mascot
20:53<HoopyCat>really, though, give bartending a try. looks marginally safer than being a barista, based on my time spent transacting with both
20:53<zifnab>i can dress up as a giant L
20:54<akerl>HoopyCat: I can't tell if this is a sign that you're going to docile bars or very rough coffeshops
20:54<virtual>I could dress up as a smaller L.
20:54<akerl>silly virtual, there aren't 2 Ls in linode
20:54<akerl>you'd want to pick one of the other letters :P
20:54<HoopyCat>Llinode's mascot is a llama, anyway
20:54<virtual>Just in case they want one to fit through the doors.
20:55<virtual>zifnab would get stuck, I wouldn't.
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21:17<foobar>what is the price for addition disk per gb?
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21:17<zifnab>HoopyCat: i approve of llamas
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21:18<Ganz>hi guys
21:18<buhman>zifnab: you should add libcaca support to zifbin
21:18<Ganz>i need some help
21:18<buhman>zifnab: and expose all the libcaca knobs in the api and web interface
21:19<zifnab>good luck
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21:19<buhman>can I PR that?
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21:19<zifnab>i'm not ok with images
21:19<zifnab>because people like Eugene exist
21:19<buhman>well it's not really an image if you only allow libcaca output ;p
21:20<zifnab>you can still remake (nsfw)
21:20<Eugene>That one generally isn't linked in here.
21:20<buhman>you could make it so the upload transforms the image into whatever libcaca parameters
21:20<buhman>and never store the actual images
21:20<HoopyCat>Guest344: storage is not available as an extra nowadays; you'd upgrade to the next higher plan to get more space (and get the other resources as a free bonus, if you want to look at it that way)
21:21<zifnab>buhman: the reason for 'i dont like images' is a 'i dont want to have to police imges'
21:21<buhman>zifnab: but you just linked an image
21:21<buhman>I don't understand the difference
21:21<Eugene>Then you've never dealt with an Abuse complaint
21:22<Guest344>I just need more disk space but no other
21:22<Guest344>that is so bad
21:22<buhman>"this ascii representation of an anus makes me upset"
21:23<HoopyCat>Guest344: there's a fixed amount of storage, memory, and CPU cores per physical server
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21:25<HoopyCat>Guest344: depending on your application and situation, using something like S3 might work
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21:50<linbot>New news from forum: Who's a good domain registrar? in General Discussion <>
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22:01<rsdehart>HoopyCat's favorite pickup line is "Does this smell like chloroform to you?"
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22:22<SleePy>3 packages are going to be removed. 142 new packages are going to be installed. 583 packages are going to be upgraded.
22:22<SleePy>You have to download a total of 327 M. This download will take about 1 minute with your connection.
22:22<SleePy>These download times are too long!!!
22:24<Peng_>The download times are too damn high!
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22:55<gmnorthey>anyone on here have suggestions for a suexec type program, suPHP does not look like it has been maintained in quite some time
22:56<gmnorthey>PHP_FPM/FastCGI seems to be a suggested option
22:56<gmnorthey>I am mainly looking to execute a PHP under the owner's permissions
22:58<dwfreed>note, PHP should not own the files it's executing
22:59<kyhwana>nor should it have write permission
23:00<gmnorthey>currently www-data owns them
23:00<dwfreed>that's bad
23:00<gmnorthey>that's what I'm trying to avoid
23:00<dwfreed>but you don't want PHP running as the user that owns them, either
23:01<dwfreed>you own them, PHP runs as www-data
23:01<gmnorthey>I would like it so that the SFTP user can upload files and the PHP processor runs them as that FTP user
23:01<akerl>Why do you want PHP to run them as that user?
23:01<gmnorthey>Actually, the user doesn't necessarily matter, I need to get the group permissions right
23:02<gmnorthey>It is so that the PHP script can edit files on the server, but limited of course to the files/directors for the same user
23:02<akerl>Make them owned by your user, make them 644/755, so that "other" can read them but not write them, have PHP run as www-data like it defaults to
23:02<akerl>You do not want PHP to edit the files, in almost every case
23:03<dwfreed>akerl: well, if there's sensitive things in the files, group is better, so that world cannot read them (in a shared environment anyway)
23:03<gmnorthey>it is a quasi-shared environment, only a couple of users
23:04<akerl>gmnorthey: The goal here is that PHP should not be able to write to the files it is serving
23:04<gmnorthey>ok, thanks for the suggestions, I have to run but that gives me some better direction
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23:51<James_T>hi fellow spammers
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23:54*linbot gnaws on your leg
23:54<curious_>i assume there are linode employees on here for questions?
23:55<dcraig>are you feeling lucky?
23:55<curious_>linode not google!
23:56<dcraig>you can't click the "I'm feeling lucky" button any more
23:56<curious_>but anyway does linode have anything like persistent storage?
23:56<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
23:56<dwfreed>curious_: define persistent
23:56<curious_>no worries, i'm sure still helpful
23:56<rsdehart>every linode comes with storage
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23:57<curious_>like aws or google cloud has, if i delete a node the storage attached is persistent, can be reattached to another future node (mounted after image installed etc)
23:57<kk>linode down wtf.....
23:58<dcraig>if you delete your linode, you lose the storage
23:58<curious_>storage persists after node is deleted etc.
23:58<curious_>ok so no options for persistent storage, got it.
23:58<curious_>does it have persistent static IPs or those go bye bye w/ the node too?
23:58<dcraig>you can swap IPs between linodes
23:58<dwfreed>so just move it before you nuke it
23:59<curious_>oh thats plenty good enuf
23:59<dcraig>you keep the same IP after a reboot
23:59<curious_>basically do same for the storage too
23:59<curious_>reboot? i'm talking wiping out a node.
23:59<dwfreed>you can clone disk images to another linode before you nuke it too
23:59<dcraig>if you wipe it out, you lose it
23:59<curious_>got it.
23:59<dwfreed>there's linode images, but that's limited in capacity
23:59<curious_>on all accounts,
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