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---Logopened Wed Mar 25 00:00:06 2015
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00:05*rsdehart slaps James_T around a bit with tasaro. The circle is complete.
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00:43<shinji257>I must of missed something.
00:43<shinji257>Actually a long time ago
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01:36<Kellin>hmm - is there a way to get the private ipv4 address of a linode w/o looking at the remote access tab in the web manager? (eg: for a stackscript w/o user input required)
01:37<Peng>alternative: don't use private IPv4 addresses ;-)
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01:38<Kellin>it's nice to use for making related nodes communicate on the back network where it's not charged ;op
01:39<dwfreed>Kellin: IPv6, yo
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01:40<Phracked>IPV6 YO
01:40<dwfreed>Phracked: hi James_T
01:40<Kellin>dwfreed: hmm, you're right - I wasn't thinking about the local ipv6
01:41<Phracked>Damn you.
01:41<Phracked>dwfreed: will be trying to get a friends native Internode IPv6 onto my domain for rdns ;)
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01:46<Kellin>oh dwfreed - are you coming to SELF this year?
01:46<dwfreed>that's the plan, anyway
01:46<Kellin>cool :)
01:47<Kellin>you still living on the west coast?
01:47<dwfreed>best coast :P
01:47<Kellin>only if you like crazy :op
01:47<dwfreed>eh, most people are alright
01:47<dwfreed>still in Florida?
01:47<Kellin>nope - up in New England now
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03:47<Phracked>I'm back bitches!
03:47<Phracked>and dwfreed
03:48<virtual>hey, why isn't dwfreed included in 'bitches'?
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04:01<Phracked>he's dwfreed
04:01<Phracked>don't worry, you're included
04:03<virtual>Thanks for clarifying. I was getting ready to take a fence.
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04:04<Sumit>I want to know the datacentres offered by Linode in US?
04:05<virtual>Sumit: Do you want more information than what's on the website?
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04:07<virtual>Sumit: I realise that came across sarcastic, it wasn't intentional. It's unclear what you already know.
04:07<Phracked>Um, I just walked outside and my fence was missing...
04:07*Phracked eyes virtual
04:08<virtual>Hey, you clarified, so I stopped.
04:08<virtual>Must be something else who took a fence.
04:08<virtual>someone else, even. dammit.
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05:06<linbot>New news from forum: What distro? in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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05:41<eoghanj>hi guys
05:41<eoghanj>wondering if someone could help with an apache question?
05:44<James_T>apache is awesome
05:44<James_T>everything is awesome
05:44<eoghanj>ive added a new virtualhost
05:45<eoghanj>so when i restart apache fails
05:45<James_T>give us the error and a pastebin of the vhost config
05:45<eoghanj>The system returned: (111) Connection refused
05:45<James_T>i'd check the ip addresses in your config
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05:46<eoghanj>here is the host file
05:47<eoghanj>ip is correct
05:47<eoghanj>i have other host files in there
05:47<James_T>you got namevirtualhost enabled?
05:47<James_T>might be conflicting
05:47<eoghanj>just added this one this morning and apache wont restart!
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05:48<eoghanj>if i remove the host file
05:48<eoghanj>how do i restart without it giving me an error that it cant find that one?
05:51<eoghanj>apache2: Syntax error on line 236 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ No such file or directory
05:52<virtual>I'd also suggest you name them ending '.conf'.
05:52<James_T>check what owns the file
05:52<James_T>and do t hat
05:52<hawk>eoghanj: And you removed /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ Or what did you remove?
05:53<virtual>seems like an odd error - surely apache wouldn't complain unless that file was referenced specifically somewhere?
05:53<eoghanj>i just removed the host file
05:53<eoghanj>and did a restart
05:53<virtual>(Isn't it something like Include *.conf?)
05:53<eoghanj>its restarting fine now
05:53<eoghanj>thing is
05:54<eoghanj>i did it via sftp
05:54<eoghanj>as in created file there
05:54<eoghanj>which may have been stupid and caused the issue
05:54<eoghanj>ill try nano to create the host file
05:54<eoghanj>havent done this in a while!
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05:58<eoghanj>nope getting same error
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05:59<eoghanj>stupid question
06:00<eoghanj>can i enable this conf before i have the domain resolving to my ns?
06:01<nate>eoghanj: Apache's configs are completely separate from DNS resolution
06:01<eoghanj>not sure why its failing so
06:01<nate>only time it might matter is if you attempt to bind apache's IP/port on a hostname that doesn't exist
06:01<hawk>Should be fine. It may be hard actually navigating there but it shouldn't be a problem in terms of setup.
06:01<eoghanj>i want to get the to change the dns after i have the setup done
06:02<eoghanj>im not taking ownership of the domain name
06:03<eoghanj>heres the server error
06:05<hawk>I would hope that you have something more helpful in the logs?
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06:07<eoghanj>Server version: Apache/2.2.14 (Ubuntu)
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06:07<eoghanj>my apache version
06:12<eoghanj>ah just check logs
06:13<eoghanj>thanks hawk
06:14<eoghanj>was looking for logs dir
06:14<eoghanj>which was called log
06:14<eoghanj>all good now
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06:29<HoopyCat>In the not too distant future, somewhere in time and space / Honest Achmed and his WordPress blogs are caught in a nasty place
06:30<HoopyCat>They have to survive the wrath of cloud, just an evil meme who wants to rule the world
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06:31<HoopyCat>From the WHT forums below, she sets her sights above / Just to torture all the customers on the Low End Box of Love
06:32<HoopyCat>I'll send him cheesy "VPS" hosts, the worst I can find (la-la-la) / He'll have to sit and test them all, and I'll monitor his mind (la-la-la)
06:34<HoopyCat>Now keep in mind Achmed can't control where the contracts begin or end (la-la-la) / He'll try to keep his high uptime with the help of his SEO friends
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06:43<cutlie>Hi, any linode coupon for new costumer?
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07:03<HoopyCat>... If you're wondering how he eats and breathes, and other business facts (la-la-la) / Just repeat to yourself, "it's just VC, I should really just go webscale"
07:04<HoopyCat>for Mystery WebHostingTalk 3000!
07:06<linbot>New news from forum: What distro? in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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07:16<hiiii>I've questions about debian, vnc, tightvncserver, and my failures :D
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07:17<hiiii>pyruvate: JacobHenner welcome
07:18<hiiii>none talks herE?
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07:57<linbot>New news from forum: Error installing Fail2Ban in Linux Networking <>
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08:27<linbot>New news from forum: What distro? in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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09:05<Christos_>Hi all
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09:07<Christos_>i want to install a second linux on a separate disk under the same linode without losing the existing installation. I create a second empty partition. What is the next steps please?
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09:08<akerl>When you say partition, do you mean "Create a disk image" in the Manager?
09:08<akerl>Step 1) Delete that disk image
09:08<akerl>Step 2) "Deploy an Image" and pick the distro you want
09:08<Christos_>no sorry i mean a new disk
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09:11<Christos_>akerl thank you :D
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09:29<psc>anyone here isntalled discourse on linode?
09:33<Cromulent>jesus just looked at the pricing for discourse...
09:33<Cromulent>their hosted options are a bit steep
09:34<psc>yeah that's why im doing it on my own with just a bit of a help LOL
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09:35<psc>they have a dedicated tutorial for digital ocean but not for linode not sure if its compatible
09:35<Cromulent>biswajit: hi
09:35<Cromulent>psc: should be
09:35<Cromulent>psc: linux is linux no matter the provider
09:35<psc>if I want to install int on a subdomain what should I do first
09:35<biswajit>how can i import my mysql database to linode
09:36<psc>not sure if this is still an issue
09:36<psc>biswajit: use mysqldump
09:36<Cromulent>biswajit: mysqldump your database at your current host and then import the dump on linode
09:37<biswajit>i dont no the process.can you please tell me the steps
09:37<Cromulent>psc: why the hell would you need docker to install a forum? That's just stupid
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09:38<Nivex>Cromulent: conatinerize all the things!
09:38<psc>Cromulent: no idea yet but I as really interested on the platform since its very fast and easy to use in terms of the UI
09:38<Cromulent>psc: eh if I see a website using discourse I head to a different site - I hate it
09:39<Cromulent>psc: that is why I stopped visiting sitepoint
09:39<psc>biswajit: search for mysqldump they have a tutorial on there on linode
09:39<biswajit>ok thank you (psc)
09:39<biswajit>may be need help in future
09:42<psc>sitepoint is a wordpress right or do they have a section that uses discourse?
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09:42<Cromulent>psc: they have a forum
09:43<Cromulent>which uses discourse yes
09:43<psc>ah yeah it uses discourse
09:44<Cromulent>the old vbulletin forum was much better
09:44<Cromulent>less javascript
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09:50<psc>do I need to install this on a new linode? or this can be also in the same linode where my wordpress is installed?
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09:54<Cromulent>psc: should be able to install it on the same linode
09:55<psc>thanks Cromulent
09:55<Cromulent>psc: what is discourse written in anyway? Let me guess? Ruby?
09:55<psc>yup ruby
09:55<Cromulent>heh what a surprise
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09:56<psc>Postgres 9.1+ Redis 2.6+ Ruby 2.0+ (we recommend 2.0.0-p353 or higher)
09:56<Cromulent>do you use nginx as your webserver?
09:56<psc>will that conflict?
09:57<Cromulent>should just work then
09:57<psc>but im using the easyengine script so not sure if it will be affected
09:57<Cromulent>you'll need to define a new app server backend in nginx for it
09:57<psc>hmmm no idea about that hope that will be easy
09:59<Cromulent>psc: I believe passenger is the recommended way
09:59<psc>passenger ? any link on that
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10:03<ssohi>though the reverse dns is propagatred in linode dns manager ..while trying to access website like http://IP/ - taking to cpanel forwarded page ...?
10:03<ssohi>any clue ?
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10:06<akerl>that has nothing to do with reverse DNS
10:09<ssohi>i have 3 capanel accounts and one IP given with linode.. i assigned reverse DNS to one of the cpanel account that i can access this account via IP and hence accessible via CNAME rec..
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10:09<ssohi>but http://IP/ doesnt wrk ..hence CNAME pointing to this cpanel account domain is also failing ...
10:10<Cromulent>you are giving the IP address there is no DNS lookup required
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10:12<ssohi>but this IP is shared between three cpanel accounts..
10:12<Cromulent>if you give the IP address it'll just go to the default site set up on that IP address it won't query CNAME records or any other DNS records and reverse DNS has nothing to do with it at all
10:14<ssohi>okay , http://IP/ taking to cpanel forwarded default page ..
10:14<Cromulent>change the default page then
10:15<ssohi>where can i do that ..
10:15<ssohi>in cpanel..
10:15<Cromulent>no idea I've never used cPanel
10:16<Cromulent>you do seem to have some fundamental misunderstandings about how these things work though
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10:17<ssohi>all i want to know , if i have 3 website accounts configured on same IP in apache... how can i make http://IP/ points to one of them ..
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10:18<ssohi>i thought if i set the reverse DNS Ip -> domain this should work ..
10:19<ssohi>any idea please ..
10:19<nate>Assuming apache hasn't changed stuff, you should be able to create a 'default' site configuration outside of the vhosts block
10:19<nate>how to do that from within cpanel though no idea
10:20<Cromulent>as nate said in the web server I use (nginx) you just create a default site - I guess the same is true in apache
10:21<ssohi>ok thanks for now..let me try to see how to set the default site here ..than..
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10:21<ssohi>thanks Cromulent and nate ..
10:22<Cromulent>PK: singapore what?
10:22<PK>When will it be available?
10:22<Cromulent>no idea
10:23<Peng>The channel topic has the most recent information. Probably next month.
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10:33<psc>can i point my subdomain to a different server example ec2 of amazon?
10:34<Peng>sure, why not?
10:34<psc>how? what do I add on the dns ?
10:34<Peng>the IP address
10:35<psc>am I also going to change nameserver?
10:36<psc>is it on the linode ? or to the ec2 that I will put the ip address?
10:36<Peng>on your nameservers
10:36<psc>so on the ns records I will put the ip address of the ec2 server?
10:36<hawk>why ns records?
10:37<Cromulent>psc: A record
10:37<Cromulent>psc: and AAAA record
10:37<psc>www and mail section?
10:37<psc>a records
10:38<Peng>Cromulent: AAAA? It's EC2. :(
10:38<Cromulent>Peng: doesn't it support IPv6 then?
10:38<Cromulent>oh well forget AAAA then
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10:45<qq1>hey guys. can anyone help me with spamassassin?
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10:46<passant>hello, i kow that this is out of yr lead, but i tried to import my data from to org, and it suddenly turned to 500 error and can log in or do access wordpress
10:47<passant>i reached out there fourm and they some people made me try to delete mysql and do it again and still didn't work
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10:48<Cromulent>hmm I guess waiting for 15 seconds for an answer is too long
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11:11<Zedsix>Hi there, I've recently opened a ticket: #4426403
11:11<dwfreed>Zedsix: tickets are answered in the order they're received; support will get to yours as soon as possible
11:11<Zedsix>The agent whom responded didn't either read the ticket or sent me a canned response.
11:12<dwfreed>so update the ticket
11:12<dwfreed>this is the user community, there's nothing we can do to help
11:12<Zedsix>Already did, I just don't want to go back and forth with something so simple.
11:12<Zedsix>No problem dwfreed.
11:12<Zedsix>Sorry, I thought Linode reps would be on here.
11:12<Peng>Some of them often are.
11:12<Cromulent>Zedsix: is it a server admin issue that other people could help with?
11:13<Zedsix>It's a new account that's 'Pending to be reviewed'
11:13<Zedsix>I'll give them a call
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11:13<akerl>So either they haven't reviewed it yet, or they have reviewed it and they've requested additional information from you
11:14<Peng>Or they've pasted a canned response about rebooting your driver's license.
11:14<Peng>... Sorry.
11:14*akerl reboots Peng's drivers license
11:14<jceniza>who can i ask to email me the details about pricing?
11:14<akerl> <---
11:14<Peng>You could ask here.
11:14<akerl>that's all the info
11:15<jceniza>okay thanks
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11:15<passant>hello, i kow that this is out of yr lead, but i tried to import my data from to org, and it suddenly turned to 500 error and can log in or do access wordpress [16:47] <passant> i reached out there fourm and they some people made me try to delete mysql and do it again and still didn't work
11:16<passant>my apache2 is fine
11:16<akerl>passant: What do your logs say
11:16<Cromulent>you asjed that 30 minutes ago and left after 15 seconds...
11:16<passant>error 500
11:16<akerl>What do your logs say
11:16<linbot>Please paste longer snippets over at and not in the channel
11:16<passant>all error
11:16<Cromulent>what error...
11:16<Peng>No, they don't say "all error"
11:16<akerl>passant: I want the full error message, not just the number
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11:17<akerl>Copy it, paste it into the pastebin, and give us the link
11:17<gparent>Error: all error
11:17<passant>logs on what?
11:17<akerl>Your web server
11:17<Cromulent>all the errors!
11:17<akerl>We did this dance already. You need to find where Apache is logging on your system, read that log file, and give us the error message from it
11:17<passant>look, this is the site,
11:17<passant>i have a blank whoite page, but you did it in the snippets b4 and it was error 500
11:18<akerl>passant: Yea, stop using your browser
11:18<Cromulent>passant: just paste the error message from the log file already
11:18<akerl>Log into the server with SSH, find the error log, and show us the message from the log file
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11:19<akerl>bye, I guess
11:19*rarlan facepalms
11:19<psandin>think he'll come back in half an hour hoping you're not here?
11:20<akerl>Little do they know: I'm always here!
11:20<dwfreed>like me
11:20<Cromulent>sometimes I wonder if people really understand what an unmanaged VPS really is
11:20<psandin>sometimes I wonder if people really understand
11:20<gparent>It's when there's no middle manager for your droplet, right?
11:20<Peng>akerl: Maybe passant listened when you said "stop using your browser"
11:20<akerl>Peng: Heh
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11:21<Cromulent>welcome back
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11:23<akerl>passant: You need to find the log file that you're logging to for your site
11:23<psandin>yes, those are your log files, now what's inside them
11:24<akerl>It defaults to somewhere in /var/log, but it's possible/probable that you've customized that in your apache config
11:24<Peng>No, look, the second line was error.log.
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11:24<akerl>Peng: that's what I based "probable" on
11:24<Cromulent>Peng: in nginx you can have different error logs per vhost - maybe he has done the same in apache?
11:25<Peng>Good point
11:26<passant>I config from here, and everything worked fine till the impoting thing
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11:26<Cromulent>heh he left again
11:26<akerl>This is like trying to hold a conversation with somebody who's swimming laps
11:26<Cromulent>be he has this in the config "ErrorLog /var/www/"
11:27*akerl hides all the spoons
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11:28<Cromulent>passant: tell us what this line looks like in your configs "ErrorLog /var/www/" and paste the contents of that error log
11:28<passant>now there was a serval error too after config, but turns out that because of my DNS
11:29<passant>command not found
11:29<akerl>It's not a command. You need to read your Apache config for your site and see where you've configured it to log
11:30<passant>permission denied
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11:31<Peng>permission to what?
11:31<Cromulent>permission to wait.. duh :P
11:31<akerl>Today's play comes to you in 9000 acts
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11:32<Cromulent>I need to dust my desk :|
11:32<dwfreed>akerl: it's not over 9000?
11:33*dwfreed ducks
11:33<akerl>Over 9000 ducks, sounds like Smithville
11:33<Cromulent>reminds me of youtube comment - "fear of the ducks"
11:33<passant>tail /var/log/apache2/error.log [Sun Mar 22 08:26:06 2015] [notice] Apache/2.2.22 (Ubuntu) PHP/5.3.10-1ubuntu3.17 with Suhosin-Patch configured -- resuming normal operations
11:33<passant>is that correct?
11:33<akerl>passant: Yea, you're looking at the wrong log file
11:33<akerl>"You need to read your Apache config for your site and see where you've configured it to log"
11:34<akerl>Read the config file, see where you have "ErrorLog" set to for your site, open that file, read the contents, show us the error
11:34<passant>you mean, var/www/fashionparadoxes/log/apache2/error.log???
11:34<akerl>Maybe? Is that were you're logging?
11:34*Peng high fives Cromulent
11:36<passant>I did my best :D
11:37<akerl>passant: Are you logging to /var/www/fashionparadoxes/log/apache2/error.log ?
11:37<Cromulent>ok look in your apache config file - find the line that says something like this "ErrorLog /var/www/" and open that file and paste the contents
11:37<passant>no, they say no such file
11:37<akerl>passant: So read your Apache config file for your site, and figure out where you're actually logging
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11:39<passant>i dont know how to do it
11:39<akerl>passant: As part of that guide you used, you made an Apache config file for your site, right?
11:40<Cromulent>passant: could I be so bold as to suggest you buy a book on linux?
11:40<passant>okay, i'll
11:41<akerl>You want to read the config file you made for your site. In that file is a line like "ErrorLog /some/path/here". That's where your site logs
11:41<akerl>Find that line
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11:47<passant> ErrorLog: The location of the error log file. # If you do not specify an ErrorLog directive within a <VirtualHost> # container, error messages relating to that virtual host will be # logged here. If you *do* define an error logfile for a <VirtualHost> # container, that host's errors will be logged there and not here. # ErrorLog ${APACHE_LOG_DIR}/error.log
11:47<passant>i don't know if it's conected to my site or not
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11:48<passant>thats' what in my /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
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11:51<psandin>that's the default, open the config file you created for that specific site
11:51<passant>yes, so so sorry
11:51<passant>now that
11:51<passant>root@fparadoxes:/var/log/apache2# /var/www/ -bash: /var/www/ Permission denied
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11:52<passant>i found the line and copy it
11:52<psandin>you don't run files you read them
11:52<psandin>try 'less /var/www/'
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11:54<psandin>is that everything? it looks like the last line cut off, also did you scroll all the way down first?
11:54<psandin>that better not be everything those lines are serveral days old
11:55<passant>yes, the error is those days old, i think, but let me check again
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11:58<psandin>the colon indicates there's more content bellow that'll switch to (END) when you get to the bottom
11:59<passant>no it ends at sun mar 22
11:59<psandin>if you push the down arrow nothing happens?
12:00<passant>it does
12:00<passant>let me save it again
12:05<akerl>How about the access log for your site?
12:05<akerl>The goal here it to find wherever it's writing down those fun 500s
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12:05<akerl>So if you haven't found the 500s in your logs, you haven't found the file yet
12:07<passant>i'll check
12:09<Peng>time for find and grep?
12:11<trippeh>not bad - the people committed fix 5 hours after I opened bug report for a segfault.
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12:21<passant>i can't fInd anything
12:22<passant>how to log to the access log of my site
12:22<passant>isn't that what i'm in right now?
12:25<passant>i mean my logs and backup files is empty
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12:32<passant>ive tried, less /var/www/ and nothing found
12:32<Peng>You're the one who configured it.
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12:34<passant>i mean i didnt find the error
12:34<Peng>You wrote your Apache configuration files. It is within your power to read them again.
12:35<passant>you mean the error log? and find the 500 between them?
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12:38<passant>akerl> How about the access log for your site? what about that??
12:40<linbot>New news from forum: Jira/Bamboo on Linode in Sales Questions and Answers <>
12:44<akerl>passant: Read your config. Find the AccessLog setting or whatever. Read that file
12:46<passant>thats a hell of a file!
12:47<passant>it's all about my access from the firefox and stuff
12:47<passant>is that the file?
12:47<akerl>Does it have the 500 errors in it?
12:47<passant>it has 500 but i still can't find an error
12:48<akerl>Those cannot both be true
12:48<binaryatrocity>You aren't going to find error messages in your access.log though, just the request and the 500 response, no?
12:49<binaryatrocity>oh nvm, backlog
12:49<passant>something like that....
12:49<passant> HTTP/1.1" 500 2111 "" "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:36.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/36.0" =2 HTTP/1.1" 500 2111 "http://fashionparado
12:49<akerl>What's the rest of that line
12:52<akerl>I feel like i'm looking at your logs via a tiny lens
12:52<akerl>passant: Run `tail -n200 /whatever/that/file/path/is` and put the results in a pastebin
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12:56<passant>you mean: tail -n200 /www/
12:57<akerl>I mean what I said
12:57<passant>tail -n200 /var/www/
12:57<akerl>where is your access log
12:57<passant>tail -n200 var/www/
12:58<passant>no such file
12:59<akerl>So use the correct file
12:59<passant>how about tail -n200 less var/www/
13:00<akerl>passant: Is the path for your access log "var/www/" or "/var/www/"
13:00<passant>thats how i logged less var/www/
13:01<passant>no, less var/www/
13:01<akerl>Are you sure?
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13:03<passant> less /var/www/
13:03<akerl>So it's "/var/www/", not "var/www/"
13:04<akerl>The former is an absolute path. The latter is relative to where you currently are in the filesystem
13:04<akerl>Unless you're currently at "/", they don't mean the same thing
13:04<passant>im at var/log/apache2
13:05<akerl>You're at /var/log/apache2
13:05<passant>yes yes thats what i mean
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13:05<akerl>So use the correct path for "tail -n200 /path/where/the/access_log/is"
13:05<akerl>and then pastebin it
13:10<akerl>fun. Now you get to find PHP's logs
13:10<akerl>I'd bet on /var/log/ somewhere, unless you changed those to log elsewhere
13:11<passant>i dodnt change anything
13:11<passant>and hows this could be fun!
13:11<akerl>It's already fun
13:11<passant>heheh, omg
13:12<passant>you geek people i love you, you can do what im not capable of
13:15<psc>having a 403 forbidden after installing discourse hmmm not sure if the nginx configuration is correct
13:16<akerl>Check your logs
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13:18<psc>it says *2220 directory index of "/var/discourse/" is forbidden
13:18<akerl>Well that'd do it
13:18<psc>what do I change?
13:19<binaryatrocity>your nginx user needs read access to /var/discourse/
13:19<akerl>What's the ownership/permissions on /var/discourse?
13:19<akerl>pastebin `ls -la /var/discourse` ?
13:19<linbot>Please paste longer snippets over at and not in the channel
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13:21<akerl>there's no index.html
13:21<akerl>Also: having www-data own these files is probably a bad idea
13:22<psc>what is the right permission
13:22<akerl>also: having your document root be a git repo is probably less than ideal
13:22<akerl>psc: I usually leave ownership as root, yes
13:22<akerl>passant: So that's an issue
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13:22<psc>do I just leave a blank index.html akerl
13:22<passant>have we found it!!!?
13:22<akerl>psc: You want to run discourse, right?
13:22<akerl>Did you read their instructions?
13:23<psc>yes I followed it but the problem i have already installed wordpress on my main domain
13:23<psc>and i am installing discourse on subdomain
13:23<akerl>Yea, that's not relevant here
13:23<psc>i think its conflicting with nginx
13:23<akerl>I'm suggesting you didn't install it, you just cloned the repo
13:23<Dead123>Hello. any staff online here ?
13:23<akerl>Dead123: This is the user community. If you have a question, you're welcome to ask it
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13:24<Dead123>well one of linode IP is DDoS my server I have repoted it last day they told they will contact client and now its happen again from same IP
13:24<caker> <-- yum :)
13:24<psc>ive used that
13:24<psc>the docker
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13:24<psc>and this is the error
13:25<akerl>Dead123: So report it again?
13:25<psc>akerl: yup those are the links i followed
13:25<Peng>akerl: :<
13:25<akerl>psc: Then you shouldn't be using a docroot of /var/discourse?
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13:26<psc>I followed all the tutorials there
13:26<akerl>psc: So did you start the docker container with discourse in it?
13:26<psc>yes it had no error
13:26<akerl>Is it running?
13:26<psc>but showing 403 forbidden
13:26<psc>when i visit the url
13:26<akerl>That's nginx showing that
13:27<psc>hmm wait ill try to clean url maybe its the issue of my caching again
13:27<akerl>You need to start the container so it serves Discourse on whatever port you told it to serve on, and then tell nginx to proxy connections to that container's webserver
13:27<akerl>You're not going to be able to hit the container directly
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13:29<Peng>What's yummy in the Facebook link? I don't have an account.
13:29<caker>really expensive Cisco routers
13:29<Peng>ahh :D
13:29<DrJ>nice routers caker (from facebook)
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13:29<DrJ>any employees grope them yet?
13:30<Peng>other than Cisco and NSA employees?
13:30<caker>yes - happened this morning :)
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13:30<psc>got disconected
13:30<psc>I am using the easyengine for my wordpress
13:30<caker> <-- this is a freaking line card
13:30<psc>so I am not sure if that is conflcting it
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13:32<ph0be>Am I correct in thinking that if i have an already existing account and I currently have 1 server instance up , if i have 2 server instances do i get charged extra or is the price constant independent of instances ? ( i read this and i feel i know the answer but can't find it on ur website)
13:33<passant>akrel, whats the problem there, and how to fix it?
13:33<@rohara>ph0be: hours * rate * number of servers
13:33<ph0be>okay so say 20 $ its 40 $ for 2 right ?
13:33<binaryatrocity>passant: you have a comma in your wp-config.php that shouldn't be there
13:33<binaryatrocity>or some other typo
13:33<binaryatrocity>double-check any changes you've made to the wordpress config
13:34<passant>should i install it from the start again or what?
13:35<binaryatrocity>if that sounds easier than fixing a typo to you, i guess?
13:35<psc>can't find a tutorial on how to reinstall discourse :(
13:35<psc>I want to have a clean install again since it's not working
13:35<binaryatrocity>just delete the docker container and start over with the link above?
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13:36<psc>thus deleting the folder will work I think it installed some packages
13:36<passant>how to fix a typo then?
13:37<passant>but it worked fine till i inported my files
13:37<passant>how that happen
13:37<passant>and how to prevent it from happenning again?
13:37<Cromulent>passant: you shouldn't have to import any files if all you want is to import the old database
13:37<Cromulent>just mysqldump and import the dump to mysql
13:37<binaryatrocity>right, what do you mean by "imported my files"?
13:38<passant>i was on
13:38<passant>and the only way to import my posts and everythig, through an XML files
13:38<passant>and support that
13:38<passant>but it didnt work
13:38<Cromulent>passant: did you import it in the wordpress admin panel?
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13:39<passant>i added the plugin and imported
13:40<passant>yes from the admin panel, you add the impot plugin and select the xml file
13:41<binaryatrocity>you shouldn't even need a plugin
13:43<binaryatrocity>anyway, there is a typo in your wp-config, which I wouldn't recommend pasting to IRC
13:43<binaryatrocity>so you need to either fix the typo, or start with a fresh wordpress and try the import again (I'd suggest following instructions in the support article I linked above)
13:44<passant>okay if i want to install it again, how to delete the old one?4
13:44<passant>The content transfer process is similar to that described above (between blogs): In the old blog, go to Tools → Export and download the XML (WXR) file to your computer. In the new blog, go to Tools → Import → WordPress and upload the file you downloaded in step 1. Make sure that you choose the option to Download & import file attachments. This option will be available after you upload the file.
13:44<binaryatrocity>yes, follow those instructions
13:44<binaryatrocity>you can just delete your wordpress folder, or rename it so you don't lose anything and make a fresh one
13:44<passant>thats what i meant by importing the data, thats what i did, but you need in org an import plugin
13:45<binaryatrocity>those instructions don't mention a plugin at all, it should be baked right in to default Wordpress
13:45<passant>it's still empty, but how to command to delete?
13:46<binaryatrocity>alternatively, Wordpress has a paid option to migrate your blog for you :P
13:46<passant>no, it's not,, when you click import for the forst time, you have to add the import plugin
13:46<passant>really :D i mean :D
13:46<binaryatrocity>Ok, well then there is a plugin, either way
13:47<passant>either way, i really dont want that to happen again, and i'm scared of importing this time :D
13:47<passant>but now, really how to delete it, should i excute del wordpress or what?
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14:20<binaryatrocity>almost feel bad about that wordpress guy, but I don't, it's actually amazing he managed to get that far o.0
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14:23<Guest929>Ive got a question if anyone is around to answer
14:24<Guest929>I resized my linode last night to make it bigger
14:24<Guest929>if I now edit the disk image size from the dashboard while the server is running will that not cause any problems?
14:24<akerl>It just won't work
14:24<akerl>No problems other than that
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14:25<Guest929>how do I resize the OS disk image to fill the new space then?
14:25<akerl>Shut down the Linode, resize the disk image, boot the Linode
14:26<Guest929>ok thanks im going to read that article
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14:29<Guest929>ok everything went smoothly, thanks again
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15:00<znf>Any known issues with UK and some peering parteners?
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15:00<JediMaster>Hi guys, network troubles in London DC?
15:00<znf>half my users are lagging on our voice chat hosted on a UK
15:00<znf>what he said ^
15:00<JediMaster>I'm seeing upwards of 25% packet losses
15:00<caker>can we see some MTRs?
15:00<JediMaster>Hi caker I just posted one
15:00<JediMaster>ticket # 4427191
15:02<znf>oh, ok
15:02<linbot>New news from status: Network Connectivity - London <>
15:02<JediMaster>thanks for the update on the status page
15:04<JediMaster>seeing sites completely down now =(
15:05<JediMaster>30% losses now
15:05<JediMaster>internally between two linodes in the london dc
15:05<JediMaster>2 hops, 0% on the router then 30% on the linode
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15:07<JediMaster>50% losses now
15:08<stefan>Anyone seeing packetloss in London?
15:08<stefan>ok, nm :)
15:08<JediMaster>they've updated the status page
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15:09<JediMaster>I've got around 200 emails in my inbox flodding me with "this serverice is down" heh
15:09<JediMaster>got to love monitoring 40+ vms with two separate monitoring systems
15:10<dwfreed>sounds like you need dependency tracking
15:10<dwfreed>"oh shit, that VM is down, let's not email him about the 40 services it's hosting"
15:10<caker>stefan: an MTR would be helpful
15:10<JediMaster>dwfreed trouble is, it's not seeing the vm as down
15:11<JediMaster>it's randomly failing on services such as http, https mysql, ssh etc.
15:11<JediMaster>so despite the 60% packet losses I'm seeing between 'nodes, the vms show as being up
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15:13<znf>Now it's not even doing traces :D
15:13<rnowak>it seems to be better now, praise the deities
15:14<JediMaster>it's calmed down over the last minute
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16:01<psc>finally made the discourse to work but its not pointing to my main subdomain I need to put :8080 just to see it how do I point it to the main subdomain?
16:02<akerl>Tell nginx to proxypass whatever server/path/wathever to localhost:8080
16:06<psc>is this it?
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16:07<akerl>looks similar
16:08<psc>on the upstream discourse { server fail_timeout=0; } is 127... ok?
16:09<psc>or do I need to put my subdomain or server ip addresss?
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16:26<Yaakov>caker: PING
16:29<gparent>hopefully not a ping of death111!
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16:37<Donatello>Anyone else experiencing what seems like network connectivity or routing issues to UK data center?
16:38<gparent>What if someone answers no, but it's not just you, and 254 clients are affected?
16:38<Peng>90 minutes ago, some folks were.
16:38<Peng>Donatello: Check the status page, get an mtr, file a ticket.
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16:48<Donatello>I guess the NSA's tapping into port 80 didn't go as smooth as planned, hence the issues at the London center...
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16:49<arlen>super funny
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17:13<js_>hrm, StackScript UDF failure - encKey problem
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17:16<akerl>check your params
17:16<caker>js_: give it a few more minutes - the fix is deploying
17:17<caker>aaaaand, it should be deployed
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17:27<MajObviousman>Dianoga: <@bot> Dianoga lost their mind. This terrible calamity has slowed them 4 days, 00:36:28 from level 90.
17:27<MajObviousman>not much to lose :)
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17:38<James_T>someone whinged at my exceedingly long ipv6 dynamic rdns
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17:42*rsdehart whinges about James_T in general
17:42<James_T>my rdns is twice as long as the address itself afaik
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17:43<gparent>I mark as SPAM any rdns longer than 2 inches.
17:43<James_T>see my rdns
17:43<James_T>so long
17:43<Peng>Several of OFTC's opers threatened to murder me when my rDNS was as long as possible.
17:43<@rohara>TIL RDNS = epenis
17:43<gparent>Peng: you should charge them in Florida
17:44<gparent>they'll all go for 25 to life
17:44<Peng>gparent: no, it'd be ruled self-defense
17:44<gparent>I think you have to use reasonable force
17:44<James_T>Assuming you killed all the opers, Peng?
17:44<gparent>Though for some people, murder would be a valid counteraction to having a long rdns.
17:44<gparent>This definitely should be tested in court.
17:44<James_T>that's a sixxs tunnel in sydney
17:45<James_T>mmm, sixxs
17:45<James_T>such low latency
17:45<praetorian>come on, let james have a long rdns
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17:45<praetorian>something had to be.
17:45<arlen>free james!
17:46<James_T>praetorian: do you still live in sydney
17:46<praetorian>i dunno
17:46<gparent>if each label isn't 63 chars you didn't maximize your use of the protocol
17:46<gparent>similarly, I pad every packet to 1500 or so bytes.
17:47<James_T>gparent: ... that would -seriously- limit the length of your irc lines
17:47<praetorian>1500 bytes?
17:47<James_T>being only able to say a single letter :P
17:47<gparent>does that eat the buffer?
17:48<James_T>check the RFC
17:48<gparent>good to know, that's awesome
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17:50<gparent>praetorian: sorry, didn't mean to ignore you - generally close to your MTU
17:50<gparent>just another one of my poor jokes, don't worry !
17:51<praetorian>i know.
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18:23<Dead123>Any staff online?
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18:23<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
18:24<Dead123>I contact and no respond from last 5 Hours
18:26<MajObviousman>Dead123: did you contact via ticket?
18:27<MajObviousman>that's the official way to receive support
18:27<Dead123>via abuse email
18:27<Dead123>IP is keep DDoS my server all day
18:27<Dead123>IP from linode
18:27<Cromulent>Dead123: if it is just one IP it isn't a DDoS by definition
18:28<Cromulent>since it isn't distributed
18:28<rsdehart><3 semantics
18:28<Dead123>200+ Connections and my provider suspended my server because of this IP
18:28<Nivex>I usually get a response from abuse@, but it might take a day.
18:29<kyhwana>They usually have to try to contact the owner of the linode doing the attacking, etc.
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18:31<fridaynext>i'm getting high cpu alerts, and I can see what process is causing high-cpu - how can i track down exactly which website is using the php-fpm process causing the high cpu?
18:34<kyhwana>1/w 36
18:34<gparent>solve for w
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18:38<fridaynext>any clues for me?
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18:42<kyhwana>fridaynext: do you have a pool per site?
18:43<fridaynext>kyhwana: it just says 'php-fpm: pool www', so I'm thinking no...
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18:52<MajObviousman>fridaynext: you could strace the process what's using lots of CPU
18:53<MajObviousman>or `lsof -p` it
18:53<MajObviousman>either would show you what files it's opening, which will lead you to which site is behaving naughtily
18:53<fridaynext>MajObviousman: gotcha - i'll try that now
18:54<MajObviousman>fridaynext: to save you some time
18:54<MajObviousman>strace -tt -s 1024 -ff -o ~/scratch/strace_output -p <pid>
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18:55<MajObviousman>will give you full timestamps and let you capture more than 16 characters of whatever string is being fed to the syscalls, while following forks for you
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18:57<fridaynext>MajObviousman: perfect, thanks.
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19:00*MajObviousman smacks the Easy button
19:00<MajObviousman>apt-file depends on the entire build toolchain?
19:01<MajObviousman>The following extra packages will be installed: binutils build-essential -- STOP RIGHT THERE
19:07<Peng>MajObviousman: No, it only Recommends the entire toolchain, I think.
19:07<Peng>Depends: perl, curl, libconfig-file-perl, libapt-pkg-perl, liblist-moreutils-perl, libregexp-assemble-perl, libfile-temp-perl
19:07<Peng>Recommends: python-apt, dpkg-dev
19:07<MajObviousman>ahh, yes. I didn't look closely
19:08<MajObviousman>thank you Peng for sorting me out
19:08<MajObviousman>I'm sorry for the draw-and-quartering comment the other day
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19:08<MajObviousman>in other news, I just learned I could self-host a dropbox instance
19:09<MajObviousman>though, I assume that it's still checking in with the home base for authentication and file tracking and the like
19:10<MajObviousman>has anyone played with it?
19:10<MajObviousman>ooh wait, I misunderstood
19:10*MajObviousman neverminds
19:11*arlen minds
19:11*MajObviousman minds that arlen minds
19:11*arlen neverminds MajObviousman
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19:18<rails>MajObviousman: there is ownCloud. :>
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19:24<MajObviousman>rails: yeap, I'm heading that way
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19:37<kyhwana>.w 22
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19:46<Cromulent>hmm why is TCP much less vulnerable to source address spoofing than UDP?
19:47<purrdeta>Because it does the 'three way handshake'
19:47<purrdeta>UDP doesn't give a shit
19:48<Cromulent>makes sense - thanks
19:49<purrdeta>np :D
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20:13<trippeh>Cromulent: to complete the three way handshake you need to be reachable on the source address
20:13<Cromulent>yeah just did a bit of reading up on it
20:14<trippeh>so that limits you to spoofing addresses in the same subnet as you usually
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20:15<Peng>or NSA-style on a frigging backbone router
20:16<trippeh>hehe yeah beeing on "the backbone" sure helps :-D
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20:17<trippeh>mmm fresh kernels
20:18<trippeh>3.19.3, fixes at least one arbitrary kernel memory write/read introduced in 3.19 ;)
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20:21<Cromulent>but is my understanding that you can spoof a TCP SYN flood since you don't care about the SYN-ACK response?
20:21<Cromulent>it is
20:21<trippeh>Cromulent: yup
20:21<Cromulent>cool thanks
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20:22<staticsafe>SYN floods are still common but have fallen in favour to UDP amplification
20:22<Cromulent>staticsafe: yeah I was reading this about that
20:22<trippeh>syn floods are fairly easy to mitigate, if you have enough raw bandwidth
20:22<trippeh>send dem cookies
20:23<trippeh>and dont put stateful devices in front goshdarnit
20:23<staticsafe>nf_conntrack mmmmmmm
20:23<retro|blah>don't statefuck me bro
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20:31*nate still finds DDNS amplification reflection attacks rather interesting yet sad it's still possible to do
20:32<trippeh>netfilter can do cookies now too, though
20:32<trippeh>so thats opens some interesting possibilities
20:34<staticsafe>the world needs more BCP38
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20:36<akerl>syn floods aren't really comparable to dns amp
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20:37<akerl>dns amp is dangerous not really because of the spoofing, but because you can turn $x bytes of malicious traffic that you can send into like $x * 1000 bytes of traffic at the target of your attack
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20:39<akerl>syn floods are generally aimed directly at the target, since there's not really a gain in volume by bouncing
20:39<staticsafe>more bang for your buck so to speak
20:40<akerl>That's one of the reasons that lots of DNS server operators have changed their configs so you need to do TCP for ANY queries
20:42<trippeh>tcp ALL the DNS!
20:43<Peng>tcp ALL the NTP!
20:43<trippeh>(yes, I know thats problematic)
20:43<akerl>tcp all the udp!
20:44<Peng>akerl: That's what Tor users do!
20:44<nate>akerl: That's kind of why I find them interesting yet sad
20:44<nate>as there are still a retarded amount of nameservers out there that are open to it
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20:47<Peng>A statement that can be said about basically every major Internet problem :X
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20:49<trippeh>nowadays, with the computing power we have, for a lot of things, i'd seriously consider switching over to TCP for things like NTP and DNS
20:49<trippeh>too bad legacy
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20:49<nate>Peng: True but most major internet problems don't open up one of the easiest yet most impacting attack possibilities, especially in this era of throw-away high-bandwidth cloud shit :P
20:50<akerl>Eh, most compromised systems can't be ID'd as compromised with a single query
20:51<akerl>Building a list of every DNS server that can be used for DNS amp would take what? a day? maybe 2?
20:51<Peng>NOT FOR IPV6
20:51<akerl>Good thing nobody DoSes no v6
20:52<dwfreed>open resolver project
20:52*trippeh have been ddosed over v6 \o/
20:52<Peng>trippeh: How modern!
20:52<Peng>IPv6 is really hitting the mainstram eh?
20:52<Peng>trippeh: What kind of DDoS?
20:52<akerl>What's that thing that does the crazy fast port scanning?
20:52<trippeh>Peng: just the usual udp and tcp syn shitstorm
20:53<trippeh>wasnt enough to knock the network offline
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20:53<akerl>Ah . Shame, looks like no UDP support at the moment
20:53<Peng>trippeh: lame! I guess IPv6 DDoSes aren't very cool yet.
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20:54<Peng>Linode backups totally don't get hardlinks. "38.3%, bytes: 250.1%"
20:55<trippeh>I often see dual stack sites staying available on v6 only when ddossed. I suppose there just isnt enough v6 bots yet ;)
20:55<Peng>I run IPv6 DNS and NTP servers to do my part!
20:56<akerl>Peng: They definitely know about hardlinks
20:56<Peng>Yeah, but the stats part doesn't.
20:56<akerl>the numbers being screwy is unrelated amusement
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20:57<Peng>It wasn't always amusing -- it used to actually break in some ways.
20:57<trippeh>Peng: thank you!
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20:57<akerl>I recommended implementing cryptographically-secure progress percentages, but was overruled
20:57<Peng>I once had other hardlink amusement. I ran `rsync -c` on a few gigs of hardlinky data. A while later I noticed my node had been doing a bazillion IOPS and getting nowhere.
20:58<wblew>akerl like to crypto his crypto
20:58<wblew>likes even
20:58<Peng>rsync had allegedly transferred like 300 GB of data or something
20:58<wblew>How are things akerl?
20:59<akerl>Pretty good. How's life?
20:59<wblew>Good good, busy as always!
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21:03<wblew>Not you linbot :P
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21:21<Peng>Urgh, looks like you can't copy an image from a 32-bit node to a 64-bit-only node.
21:22<akerl>Did you try copying the disk or the config profile?
21:22<Peng>Just the disk. "Destination Linode: [] (Displaying 32bit compatible options only.)"
21:22<akerl>Try setting all your config profiles to 64 bit kernels?
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21:23<Peng>Dishonest but probably effective.
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21:23<akerl>That probably won't help, but it might
21:23<shinji257>That's actually how they suggest handling the move to a 64-bit only node.
21:23<shinji257>You probably should eventually rebuild to 64-bit but it will boot with a 64-bit kernel.
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21:24<Peng>The proper way to copy an image is through Clone, right?
21:24<akerl>shinji257: That's definitely how they suggest booting a 32bit image on a 64bit-only host or doing an upgrade, I just forget how the logic applies to the clone option
21:24<akerl>Peng: If you're aiming for another Linode, yea
21:24<shinji257>akerl: I think the system might look at the profile the disk is attached to.
21:25<akerl>shinji257: I'm not sure if it's that or if it tries to remember if a disk was 32/64. That's why I suggested it, but said it probably won't help
21:25<Peng>akerl: Changing my profiles totes works.
21:26<Peng>Lame. Thank you, akerl. <3
21:27<shinji257>I actually rebuilt to x64 when I installed Ubuntu 14.04. That was a fun process (not). I kept the old image and did a read only mount in the new (wip) install of Ubuntu so that I could grab/port configs over.
21:28<Peng>shinji257: Yeah that's probably about when I'll do when I get a round tuit.
21:28<akerl>shinji257: Sounds like a job for config management
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21:28<Peng>That's hopefully also what I'll do!
21:28<praetorian>do it peng, do it
21:28<akerl>I still have a round tuit somewhere around here
21:28<praetorian>what about an in tuit?
21:28<shinji257>Actually one of the reasons I did it wasn't just the x64. It was also to cleanup any unofficial packages since I had a few that I forgot about. Otherwise I would of just tried a distro version upgrade.
21:29<akerl>praetorian: I left all my intuit at the office :P
21:30<praetorian>probably best. it's too exxy
21:30<praetorian>and crap.
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21:34<HoopyCat>i'm too exxy for my hirt
21:35<praetorian>yeah, best to keep the shirt, get right of you
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21:41<trippeh>[1987267.345435] php5-fpm[25172]: segfault at 8010200 ip 0000000008010200 sp 00007ffeabcb0838 error 14 in[7f1d55360000+5000]
21:41<trippeh>in libnss-dns
21:44<Peng>THat could happen because of memory corruption elsewhere or a misconfigured user of the library, right?
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21:46<trippeh>Peng: Can Be Anything(tm)
21:46<trippeh>but there has been recent bugs in libcs resolver stuff
21:47<dwfreed>single ionization event
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21:56<Phracked>Peng smells
21:57<Phracked>Peng: rowhammer is a HARDWARE bug
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21:57*Phracked gets hard over the mention of 'hardware'
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22:01<praetorian>unduplicate yourself
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22:02<JamesTKirk>Says the anti-christ
22:03<trippeh>so OS X has a kernel space XML parser
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22:20<HoopyCat>trippeh: i offer you a bus error as a consolation prize:
22:20<dcraig>busses are so funny
22:22<HoopyCat>omnibusness? omnibusiness?
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22:30<Peng>Ah. I accidentally typo'd closing a three-day-old PM window with an oper, sending them a message.
22:30<Peng>Greatest IRC sin. :X
22:30<rsdehart>pobre Peng
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22:32<avenj>incoming kline in 3, 2,
22:32<trippeh>was nice to know you, peng
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22:36<Denny_>Is linode scalable?
22:37<akerl>THat's up to you
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22:40<GvJordan>but is it web scale?
22:40<Peng>The webbest
22:42<JamesTKirk>I heard you liek mudkipz Peng
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22:43<Phracked>and hardware bugs
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22:52<Jammie>I've got an odd new problem, that just started happening in the last few days. Connections to my linode are now hanging somewhat frequently, e.g. curl -vv --trace-time https://myhost will hang at the stage that says: 19:52:02.045049 * SSLv3, TLS handshake, Client hello (1):
22:52<Jammie>But not consistently! Maybe one time in 10
22:53<Jammie>Same with sending emails, I've got postfix running, and one emails in 10 will hang at the connecting stage
22:53<Jammie>My linode's in the atlanta data server, and I haven't made any configuration changes in a while
22:53<kyhwana>Jammie: from where?
22:54<trippeh>Jammie: nginx? on debian?
22:54<Jammie>My internet at home, it's comcast business cable
22:54<trippeh>oh, postfix too
22:55<Peng>firewall rate-limiting rule? >_>
22:55<Peng>Jammie: Do you really have SSL 3 enabled?
22:55<dwfreed>Peng: curl always says SSLv3
22:55<Jammie>Peng, I can run the same command and have it successfully connect most of the time
22:56<dwfreed>Peng: at client hello, curl has no idea what the version is
22:56<Jammie>Doing more netstat debugging, on the server side it looks like it hangs at the SYN_RECV step for a while, and then (perplexingly) the same ip/port tuple appears as 'tcp6' (which is not correct)
22:57<dwfreed>Jammie: the Linux networking stack can do IPv4 as "IPv6"
22:57<Jammie>dwfreed, gotcha, I will pay no more attention to that
22:57<akerl>What's the site?
22:57<akerl>"This webpage is not available
22:58<Peng>dwfreed: oh, thank the goddess
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22:59<akerl>Jammie: What does resource load / network activity on your Linode look like?
23:00<Jammie>What would be the best way to answer that? netstat and top, the activity graphs from the dashboard?
23:01<akerl>dstat is also kinda fun
23:01<akerl>mtr for routing
23:01<Jammie>load average 0.10
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23:02<Jammie>iotop shows disk activity on every refresh
23:02<James_T>are you even caching
23:02<akerl>Jammie: Are we talking like 1 b/s, 1 MB/s, 1 TB/s?
23:03<akerl>Like... seeing disk activity is pretty much expected
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23:04<Jammie>I've never used iotop before, not sure which would be the most useful numbers to look at
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23:06<kyhwana>Jammie: also you need to disable SSLv3/RC4 and your export ciphers.
23:07<Jammie>Will do!
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23:19<nate>Wouldn't b e the most horrible idea to get rid of those 56-bit ciphers as well :P
23:19<nate>Would you like my cipher lineup jammie?
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23:21<Cromulent>heh first time I've seen 56 bit SSL ciphers since IE 4
23:24*nate might also suggest toggling on HSTS and HPKP
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23:26<Peng>Cromulent: It's not rare for horrible ciphers to be enabled -- up until FREAK, anyway.
23:26<Peng>Cromulent: It's rare for them to be *used*, since they're always on the bottom of the preference list, though.
23:27<Cromulent>sure I just would have expected them to have been dropped by OpenSSL by now - I mean they don't actually have any real world use anymore
23:27<kyhwana>Cromulent: you can't build openssl without them
23:28<Cromulent>this is why I like LibreSSL - it has ripped out all the old junk from it and just left the good bits
23:28<nate>Issue with that being it's also not close to being production ready and it's also ripped out useful stuff last I saw it (though that was a while back now)
23:29<nate>if anything LibreSSL is probably going to fall behind OpenSSL to an extent now since OpenSSL finally has funding to maintain active developers and QA
23:29<Peng>Cromulent: lol, "expecting" things from OpenSSL
23:30<Cromulent>nate: true to an extent but LibreSSL is developed by the OpenBSD developers who have an excellent security and cryptographic track record
23:30<Peng>nate: Yes and no. LibreSSL can always pull patches from OpenSSL. It doesn't take *that* much work to maintain.
23:30<nate>Cromulent: Who are now also splitting their attention :P
23:30<Peng>nate: I mean, they're managing it so far.
23:30<Peng>Plus there's BoringSSL
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23:31<Peng>BoringSSL once removed some old, broken hash function, MD2 or MD4. They had to add it back because something needed it. :D
23:32<Peng>"Readd MD4. Sadly this is needed by wpa_supplicant for NTLM hashes."
23:33<Cromulent>nate: well that is certainly true - although if you follow the OpenBSD misc mailing list you'd know that they had the best year even in terms of funding last year :)
23:33<Cromulent>ever even
23:33<dwfreed>greater than 0 is still greater, I guess
23:33<Peng>Might not be maintained.
23:33<Peng>People will lose interest, and if they return to the newly rejuvenated OpenSSL...
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23:36<Cromulent>nate: you might be interested in this - note the number of bugs in OpenSSL that are not present in LibreSSL at all because they ripped out the code
23:36<Peng>LibreSSL suffers from many of the same security vulnerabilities tho
23:36<Peng>Just not all
23:38<trippeh>often the ones they dont suffer from are in stuff you arent using in openssl anyway
23:38<trippeh>so far
23:38<trippeh>like DTLS
23:38<trippeh>well, 99% arent using ;)
23:39<Peng>suddenly, Heartbleed!
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23:40<trippeh>so even if you used openssl over libressl, you where likely not affected by them
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23:43<trippeh>crap, I thought I had today and tomorrow off. I didnt. Now its almost 5am..
23:43<trippeh>so only hours until I should show up at the office hah
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23:55<trippeh>snowing like a mofo
23:56<kyhwana>man, nothing on that RC4 attack from blackhat asia
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