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00:13<buhman>Nivex: what the necro-bump
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00:26<trippeh>htpc puter survived 15.04 upgrade and systemd takeover \o/
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00:43<virtual>trippeh: I'm worried how I'm going to handle my debian upgrades that are upcoming later this year.
00:44<virtual>what's wrong with init.d/blah anyway. :P
00:44<warewolf>virtual: it's not systemd, is what's wrong with it.
00:44<virtual>warewolf: o/
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00:51<virtual>systemd can replace cron? (slow to the game here)
00:54<trippeh>cant say I miss writing init.d scripts
00:57<virtual>I can imagine.
00:57<virtual>This one worries me and makes me think "Like Windows?": systemd-journald is a daemon responsible for event logging, with append-only binary files serving as its logfiles.
01:00<virtual>though the rest of the stuff I'm reading so far sounds good.
01:03<trippeh>of course ibm used torx security screws on their hotswap disk trays
01:04*trippeh needs more screwdrivers
01:04<virtual>or a hammer.
01:04<trippeh>so annoying when I have to plug the drives into some other box for data recovery
01:07<trippeh>should get some SAS breakout cables, not the SAS to SATA kind.
01:07<trippeh>these trays dont plug into any other backplane I've found lying around
01:09<trippeh>considered stealing the ibm backplane from the busted server, but they use custom power plug, of course
01:10<trippeh>and it takes it from the mb, not psu, so hotwiring the psu is not an option
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01:20<virtual>Sounds like they've done a great job keeping you tied to their kit.
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01:21<trippeh>and their service agreements ;)
01:22<virtual>what's the actual kit? So we know at least one model to avoid. :P
01:23<pharaun>trippeh: :|
01:24<trippeh>this particular one is a system x3550 M3
01:24<trippeh>but I'm sure the sheenanigans extends beyond it ;)
01:25<trippeh>cant blame ibm for it breaking though.
01:25<trippeh>motherboard has water damage.
01:27<virtual>heh, sure. But you can blame IBM for making it difficult to perform maintenance.
01:30<trippeh>they're not getting replaced with ibm/lenovo kit, thats for sure
01:34<trippeh>(thats not related to this or similar incident however)
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01:44<pharaun>basically what virtual said
01:44<pharaun>that kind of crap is just bs
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02:15<dwfreed>I think somebody forgot to do billing run
02:16<Peng>I hope so!
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02:20<arlen>april fools, free month
02:23<Celti>virtual: YOu can actually easily extract the textual data from journal files with `strings`
02:23<Celti>It's stored in plaintext with extra binary around it to ensure data integrity
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02:24<Celti>as in you can't modify the content of a string without compromising the journal file
02:24<Peng>You can also easily execute arbitrary code wiht 'strings'
02:24<Celti>but you can still extract the data easily
02:24<virtual>Celti: I'm sure you can get the data out, but using strings to do it seems.. suboptimal. :)
02:25<Celti>well sure, that's a last-resort method
02:25<virtual>At least the option to use syslog is still there. For now.
02:25<Celti>It's just to indicate that if your system gets screwed the data's not completely lost
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03:26<shankardevy>You will be invoiced $0.10 for each GB over your pooled network transfer quota. Please note that all inbound traffic is free and will not count against your quota.
03:27<shankardevy>what does "pooled network transfer quota" mean
03:29<Peng>It means your quota is shared between all of your nodes.
03:29<Peng>So if you have two 1GB nodes, one can use 1 TB of transfer and the other can use 3 TB andi t's all good.
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03:57<shankardevy>Hetzner says their servers have: Connection 1 Gbit/s-Port and Guaranteed Bandwidth 200 Mbit/s while Linode says "40 Gbit Network In 125 Mbit Network Out". I am unable to understand the difference and which one is offering more.
03:57<kyhwana>linode say you can do up to 40gbit "in" and you're capped at "125mbit" out
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04:01<nate>Does Hetzner actually do VPS's? I thought they were just dedi's
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04:03<nate>Apparently they do, though we're apparently seeing different things shankardevy; when I look at Hetzner's 1GB "vServer", you're getting slightly less bandwidth with Hetzner than you would linode
04:04<nate>1GB vServer there is 100Mbit 'NIC', as kyhwana already noted at linode you have 125Mbit/s outbound w/ 40Gbit inbound
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04:06<nate>Though I will give Hetzner credit on bandwidth overages, only $1.4 per extra -TB-?
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04:06<Peng>Hetzner's 1 Gbps NIC is a bit sketchy, though "guaranteed" 200 Mbps bandwidth is good, if it's true.
04:07<nate>Peng: Well their actual total 'network' claim is 960 Gbit
04:07<Peng>I don't think the Ethernet cables on your server can quite pull that though!
04:08<nate>I imagine by total network they're talking their entire DC/Rack area
04:08<nate>But with that said, even their €18.90 plan states 100Mbit NIC
04:08<nate>so it seems they don't increase speed at all with plan sizes like linode does
04:10<shankardevy>Ok, I now understand hetz's 100Mbit/s and linode's 125mbit
04:11<nate>shankardevy: Linode is 125Mbit/s on the -lowest- plan
04:11<nate>Higher plans get an increase per-plan
04:12<shankardevy>however what is hetz's "1 Gbit/s port" mean and how is it compared with linode?
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04:12<Peng>shankardevy: It means the server runs 1 Gbps hardware.
04:12<shankardevy>thanks nate i see linode has an advantage over here
04:12<Peng>shankardevy: Linode runs a 40 Gbps network.
04:12<nate>shankardevy: I still don't know where you see "1 Gbit/s port" for any of Hetz's VPS plans, and even if the VPS had access to a 1Gbit network, it's doing 100Mbit tops
04:13<shankardevy>nate, yes it's not mentioned in hetzner vps. sorry. I mixed up dedicated server spec with vps
04:14<nate>Yeah those are two pretty different things :P
04:14<nate>Linode does -only- VPS's
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04:40<balusreekanth>hello linode offers cloud with public ip
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04:40<balusreekanth>or it is just batted ip
04:40<nate>balusreekanth: Each linode gets it's own IPv4 as well as a /64 of IPv6
04:40<balusreekanth>k but is it public ip or private ip
04:41<nate>Public. Would be a pretty silly VPS provider if you had no public visibility to the interwebs :P
04:41<kyhwana>balusreekanth: you get a single publc ipv4 address per linode
04:42<balusreekanth>ok - so public ip is assigned to cloud interface directly , not via NAT like amazon EC2
04:42<shankardevy>If I buy a domain and have it's ns point to linode, can I use linode's dns to create any type of record?
04:43<shankardevy>is there any limit to the dns usage in terms of number of records of hits?
04:43<balusreekanth>if it not like EC2 then i would like to go for linode
04:43<Peng>shankardevy: Linode doesn't really limit the number of records or traffic, but the master DNS service only supports certain record types.
04:44<Peng>shankardevy: When operating as a slave it can serve basically any record type though.
04:44<AlexC_>balusreekanth: It's not like EC2
04:44<nate>balusreekanth: The IPv4 address you get with a linode is direct and yours only as long as you have that linode
04:44<balusreekanth>ok thanks nate
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04:45<shankardevy>Peng: is there a page on linode docs that explains more about the record types allowed?
04:45<Peng>EC2 alsooffers public IPv4 IPs...
04:45<shankardevy>Peng: also can explain what you mean by "opearting as a slave"?
04:46<Peng>shankardevy: Not sure, probably. For a master zone it's A/AAAA/CNAME/MX/NS/SOA/SRV/TXT.
04:46<Peng>shankardevy: For a slave zone it's whatever is supported by the software (BIND I think).
04:46<Peng>shankardevy: Look up what a slave is in the Linode or standard DNS documentation.
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04:57<shankardevy>on linode backups, if I am on Linode 1GB and use the backup for additional 2.5 usd, then does it allow me to have a full backup i.e., 24 gb of data ? also the spec says there are 3 slots available a daily backup, a 2-7 day old backup, and an 8-14 day old backup. what is the total capacity of the backups that I can retain?
05:00<Peng>You can back up all of your data.
05:01<shankardevy>Peng: so do you mean linode gives 14*24gb of data space for backup?
05:02<shankardevy>14 day backup
05:03<arlen>it gives what's listed on the site
05:04<arlen>you get four backup slots, 3 are automated. it doesn't care what the size is
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05:07<AtroAstro>Quick question, if I have a working vps and I want to enlarge the Swap disk, do I have to reformat everything?
05:07<AtroAstro>Or could I just allocate different sizes without having anything removed or reinstalled?
05:08<Peng>You can just resize your stuff.
05:08<Peng>your disk images
05:08<Peng>It might be easier to simply add a swap file.
05:08<AtroAstro>Oh? I'd rather do that, had no clue it was an option lol
05:08<Peng>Enter `linux swap file` in your search engine of choise :P
05:09<AtroAstro>I just have a big setup on my vps, it'll take hours to set it all back up - scary to risk it right now lol
05:09<Peng>As I said, resizing your disk images is also an option. It doesn't delete your stuff.
05:09<AtroAstro>Alright I'll have a look, thanks so much!
05:09<shankardevy>A fourth backup slot is available for on-demand backups. -> how many backups I can have on-demand? only one or ?
05:09<AtroAstro>Do you happen to have experience with swaps together with MySQL?
05:09<Peng>shankardevy: One.
05:10<Peng>shankardevy: It's one slot.
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05:10<Peng>AtroAstro: Not really. Adding swap is not generally a solution to database problems.
05:10<Peng>AtroAstro: Adding RAM, or optimizing your configuration and usage, are.
05:11<shankardevy>Peng: great. so If I were to use the backup system to its full potential, I will be using 14 * 24 gb + 1 * 24 gb
05:11<shankardevy>am I right?
05:11<Peng>What? No.
05:11<AtroAstro>Peng: But it will still help it, correct? I have 8gb of RAM right now and I'm apparently using all of it and beyond
05:11<Peng>AtroAstro: Maybe, maybe not.
05:12<nate>AtroAstro: You may wish to look into memcaching if you aren't already usingit
05:12<Peng>shankardevy: You said above that there are four slots.
05:12<Peng>shankardevy: Not 15.
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05:12<nate>While it might seem at first "Adding an extra layer of memory usage" is a bad thing, it's worth noting storing stuff into memcached/redis/etc will generally result in not hitting a DB server with multiple queries rapidly, meaning much less memory overhead the DB server needs to maintain
05:13<shankardevy>from Three backup slots are executed and rotated automatically: a daily backup, a 2-7 day old backup, and an 8-14 day old backup. A fourth backup slot is available for on-demand backups
05:14<shankardevy>I assumed that I can get backup of any day between 1 - 14 previous days from the automated backups
05:14<shankardevy>that was my assumption
05:14<AtroAstro>nate: Nice, I'll have a look at it, but as an immediate solution at least for now to avoid MySQL crashes - why could adding swap memory fail helping it?
05:15<AtroAstro>The error log states that it couldn't allocate any more memory therefore it crashed
05:16<Peng>shankardevy: No, you can restore any of the three as described.
05:16<nate>AtroAstro: Loading off mysql into swap is horribly inefficient
05:16<nate>AtroAstro: It's one of the main reasons things like InnoDB are the default in all mysql engines and have been for a while, working from raw memory is significantly more performant than from disk (which is what swap is), even if it's an SSD
05:16<Peng>shankardevy: Plus your fourth on-demand one.
05:17<nate>Problem with most database models though is their memory usage is generally directly relative to the requests/activity of the DB server itself
05:17<nate>so if you cache stuff in a memory model like memcached/redis/etc for even 10 minutes at a time, that's only one request every 10 minutes the DB needs to handle for a specific query normally
05:18<AtroAstro>nate: I'm aware of it - but could it be mixed? meaning that any overflowing allocation will turn to swap?
05:19<Peng>AtroAstro: An overloaded database server doesn't need slow fake RAM.
05:19<Peng>It needs real RAM, or reconfiguration.
05:19<shankardevy>Peng: sorry, I am still confused. how many backups does linode store for 2-7days schedule? is it not 6 backups?
05:19<Peng>shankardevy: One.
05:19<Peng>shankardevy: That's why they call it one slot.
05:20<Peng>It's one backup, that's 2-7 days old. Not 7 backups.
05:21<AtroAstro>Peng: Could you expand a little about reconfigration please? The thing is that I have different processes running on the VPS such as node.js and other php processes, what should I do to allow those processes continue running (And even slow down if needed) but without crashing?
05:21<Peng>Make things use less RAM.
05:22<AtroAstro>Which means those processes will have to build a queue and slow down - therefore wouldn't it be equal to simply slowing the mysql server with swap?
05:23<AtroAstro>Are there any other consequences to using swap for mysql other than loss of speed that I'm not aware of?
05:25<nate>AtroAstro: The main consequences are horrible performance and risking OOM issues which can lead to a variety of problems
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05:27<AtroAstro>nate: I see, well I'll take the risk for now just to see how bad it performs :) should I look into the mysql settings to make it use the swap though? or is it done automatically after I set the swap disk / file?
05:28<nate>AtroAstro: You should never make anything -forcibly- use swap
05:28<nate>that's like asking if you should be able to disable your brakes on your car, it's undoubtedly going to cause a disaster :P
05:29<nate>But yes, general design is (at least if things go well) that swap will only ever be utilized once physical memory is completely used up
05:29<AtroAstro>Gotcha, so the question would probably need to be if I need to set anything up in the mysql to know that Swap is set, and to only use it when it fails allocating memory
05:29<nate>once that happens it'll use swap, but once swap is all used your system will basically go into an OOM panic and shit will start to break
05:29<nate>it will automatically work that way generally
05:29<AtroAstro>Mhm I see :)
05:29<nate>might be worth looking into uh
05:30<AtroAstro>By OOM you're talking about finishing my entire disk size correct? if so I'm not really near ending my 200gb
05:30<nate>It's a tool designed to more or less tune you an automatic configuration based on hardware
05:30<nate>OOM == Out of memory, basically means the system has absolutely nothing to allocate to memory anymore, and a 200GB swapfile would be kinda obscene :P
05:31<AtroAstro>Oh that mysqltuner looks neat
05:31*nate normally doesn't put more than a few GB of swap on things
05:31<nate>in fact the one dedi server we have purely for DB at one of my current clients has nothing but a 2GB swap
05:32<AtroAstro>Yeah I don't think I'll actually assign a 200gb swap haha
05:32<AtroAstro>I'll probably go for 5-10
05:32<nate>Then again we also have 128GB of memory on that server, but still
05:32<nate>the general idea is as peng noted long ago
05:32<nate>absolute best solution is manage everything to minimize the need to ever hit swap
05:32<AtroAstro>Yeah I totally understand
05:33<AtroAstro>It's harsh knowing what's right and dealing with your boss that doesn't care.
05:33<nate>Indeed, simplest thing to do is simply work at making sure he knows, especially if DB issues can result in monetary loss
05:34<nate>last thing you want is to completely max out that DB Server and end up with DB corruption because of it :P
05:35<AtroAstro>Yeah true lol
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06:01<+linbot>New news from forum: How much is my website worth? in General Discussion <>
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06:05<Cromulent>I found a suspicious website that said my website was worth $2,000 - I don't believe it but it was a nice confidence boost :)
06:06<Cromulent>especially as I hardly ever use that blog
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06:06<Cromulent>I think it was because I have a lot of links from Stackoverflow answers as sources
06:06<nate>Cromulent: They go based off a very very generic basis of your public analytical values on shit like alexa and what not
06:07<Cromulent>nate: yeah I doubt any one would give me more than £100 for it
06:08<nate>more than likely they'd just sit back and wait for you to let the domai nexpire and pay $15 for it
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06:09<Cromulent>nate: that won't happen - I renew it for 5 years at a time and automatically
06:09<Cromulent>I did lose an awesome domain name though once - learned my lesson on that one
06:12<Cromulent>not that it really matters I didn't really have the time to implement my idea and now it would be better done as a tor hidden website
06:13<Cromulent>which reminds me one thing that annoys me about tor websites is when they require javascript - don't they realise that most people browsing using tor disable javascript for security?
06:13<nate>and even then it's not the best of security
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06:28<Cromulent>heh nice and - gotta love april the 1st
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07:16<_Detnon>Hi There
07:22<_Detnon> Just looking for some advice. Is it possible to bring online a backup of a box
07:22<_Detnon>and have it run at the same time as the original
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07:23<Peng>Create a new Linode, restore your backup to it.
07:23<Peng>Given that it will have different IP addresses, it's likely some things will break. But they can be fixed easily.
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07:24<_Detnon>The different IP's would be fine, this would just be to test something, Thanks for your help
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07:31<bobearth>any idea how I can get a cost for the managed add-on (
07:32<akerl>By reading the page?
07:33<akerl>Generally, if I'm looking for the cost and it's not easy to find, I cmd+f and search for "$"
07:34<nate>I think linode needs to start font-weight 30'ing their prices with some bold for good measure
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07:36<nate>Random question for the ubuntu-familiar people
07:37<nate>If you have something as a 'service' (eg; service foobar restart), will it technically use the init script under /etc/init.d/ ?
07:37<nate>Ah so it will
07:38*nate discovered that a little more quickly than he expected to :P
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08:09<nate>I got CakePHP 1.3 down to a 0.12s TTFB
08:10<nate>I got me some magic fingars
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10:11<@drussell>James_T: No.
10:11<James_T>Oh hi
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10:11<James_T>Got kicked out of bed so going to kick off my linode migration
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10:11<James_T>moving to newark tho
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10:11<gparent>wow traitor
10:12<@drussell>James_T: That's a long move :p
10:12<James_T>drussell: getting put on a $NEWHOST
10:12<James_T>because i asked nicely
10:12<@drussell>Did you request a new host?
10:12<@drussell>You're so bizzare. But <3
10:12<skyfaller>hi folks, I want to change a website's domain name and have the old domain name forward there. Is there a Linode tutorial for this?
10:12<James_T>Only newer specced hosts were in Newark >.>
10:13<James_T>I'm a hardware nerd, of course I care what my vps is running on
10:14<James_T>why do people schedule 9am interviews
10:14<@drussell>They are sadistic.
10:17<gparent>it's a start
10:17<gparent>(same codes etc on other webservers, just different config directives)
10:18<skyfaller>gparent: Thanks for the tip!
10:18<skyfaller>I'm pretty noobish, I basically can only do things by following tutorials at this point :/
10:20<coxn>no shame in being a novice
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10:28<skyfaller>OK, so redirecting once I've moved the website would be great, but I am stuck on the step where I move the website to a new domain name
10:29<skyfaller>does anyone have any suggestions on how best to do this? I created my websites using the guide and the website runs on Wordpress if that matters
10:29<gparent>Add the new domain name to the server name directive of your webserver
10:29<gparent>reload the webserver
10:30<James_T>Just thought of an ingenious way to not break ALL THE THINGS when I move my linode to newark...
10:30<James_T>clone it
10:30<James_T>swap ip's
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10:30<James_T>reconfigure at destination
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10:32<MajObviousman>skyfaller: everybody starts somewhere
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10:32<hawk>James_T: Hmm?
10:32<James_T>hawk: moving to a host in newark with some 2680v3's in it
10:32<James_T>ip's will obviously change
10:32<skyfaller>gparent: sadly I do not understand what you just said.
10:33<hawk>James_T: Indeed
10:33<James_T>making a clone so i can still znc whilst it's being migrated, and my dns not break
10:33<skyfaller>I have a directory with all of the files for the website, and Apache has name-based virtual hosts or whatever telling it where to find these files
10:33<James_T>(nimbus is my master)
10:34<James_T>going down for a clone
10:34<James_T>will be back in a bit
10:34<hawk>James_T: If the idea is to keep the old one running, why not just clone? Why the swap?
10:34<James_T>this copy has the migration scheduled
10:34<gparent>skyfaller: then you'll need to clarify your question
10:34<skyfaller>now I guess I need to move the files to a new directory and ... I'm so lost
10:35<hawk>James_T: Ah, then I see.
10:35<gparent>skyfaller: I thought you said all you were changing was the domain name
10:35<gparent>if you're migrating to a different server that's completely different
10:35<gparent>or different folder
10:35<skyfaller>no, I am not moving to a different server
10:35<gparent>Then I don't know why we're discussing moving files
10:36<skyfaller>but it would probably be confusing to have a directory named "" that actually serves the files for ""
10:36<skyfaller>especially since will now forward to
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10:36<gparent>ok sure
10:36<gparent>but since you set that up yourself already, and it's the exact same process for the new domain
10:36<gparent>I guess I don't understand your question?
10:37<skyfaller>I guess I don't understand my question either :) Maybe I'll go blunder around a bit more and come back with more specific questions
10:37<gparent>If you configure a vhost for, then you know how to configure it for, that's what I mean.
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10:38<skyfaller>I'm just trying to move it as smoothly as possible, and I'm certain I'm going to screw something up
10:38<gparent>If you're not keeping both domains active, then on the old vhost, redirect to the new one. The new one is exactly teh same as what you have now with a different domain.
10:39*MajObviousman sighs at Slashdot being more useless than normal today
10:41<auraka>slashdot hasn't been useful in forever
10:42<skyfaller>gparent: thank you for trying to talk me through this. I just realized that nothing will work until I get the domain name pointed at the Linode DNS servers, so I'm stalled until like tomorrow
10:43<skyfaller>so I'll probably be back here being confused then :)
10:43<gparent>nothing is stopping you from using the hosts file to test, but sure
10:43<gparent>that works
10:44<skyfaller>well, moving the website the website to a new domain name that doesn't work would be bad, better to leave it working on the old domain name for now
10:45<gparent>yes, generally the idea is that both work for a while
10:45<gparent>then when you stop seeing requests to the old one, you turn it off.
10:45<skyfaller>makes sense
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10:57<Cromulent>MajObviousman: I'm surprised there arn't more april fools jokes going around
10:57<Cromulent>some of them have been quite good
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10:59<Cromulent>I actually prefer the retro design of to the new one :|
10:59<staticsafe>,44713.msg2141620.html#msg2141620 i read this one after I just woke up and almost fell for it
11:03<Cromulent>staticsafe: the first comment is so true
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11:05<James_T>, my bank account is el negativo
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11:05<James_T>can't add more linodes
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11:06<AlexC_>Do you still have two kidneys?
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11:06<staticsafe>Cromulent: heh
11:08<gparent>Or more?
11:09<MajObviousman>James_T: I didn't think banks were allowed to play April Fools jokes like that
11:09<MajObviousman>this changes everything!
11:12<+linbot>New news from forum: DDOS Linode in General Discussion <>
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11:18<sen>We are looking for Multiple public IPs on VPS, 2 or more
11:18<gparent>If you have a technical justification, you can request in a ticket.
11:18<sen>when is the singapore datacenter expected
11:18<gparent>They are $1 per month per IP.
11:19<sen>So i can have multiple public IPs on one VPS plan
11:19<gparent>IF you have a technical justification
11:19<gparent>A good one.
11:19<MajObviousman>a really good one
11:19<MajObviousman>SSL is no longer a good one
11:20<gparent>The test for IP justification should be having to convince Nivex that it's a good idea.
11:20<MajObviousman>and if you mention cpanel I think you get sent to the back of the line every time until you stop saying cpanel
11:21<Ubik>I thought the latest was to terminate all Linodes immediately for the customer in question.
11:21<Ubik>(Which saves said customer money as a side effect, so it's not all bad.)
11:22<+linbot>New news from forum: Wordpress server limit in General Discussion <>
11:23<James_T>cpanel cpanel wordpress
11:23<James_T>so rude
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11:23<AlexC_>:( currently on a contract that uses Wordpress
11:23<James_T>coming from the person who got kicked out of bed >.>
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11:41<nate>AlexC_: Just one?
11:49*nate is now up to managing like 80~ for this one client :(
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12:02<JamesTKirk>migration job running at 560KB/s
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12:34<billli>I am having trouble accessing my linode account
12:35<akerl>How are you trying to access it?
12:35<billli>Web then I am being asked for my authenticator code
12:35<billli>which it is not accepting my authenticator codes
12:36<akerl>Is your phone's time synced?
12:37<billli>oh okay, it was ahead by a minute
12:37<billli>also, I got a payment email today saying I have a balance
12:37<billli>I do have a credit card on my account
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12:42*nate was going to note you still always get an invoice for balance as far as he's noticed
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13:14<Eugene>Weird. Invoice generated, but no charge happened.
13:16<@rohara>That's normal. Invoice generation and payment processing are not run at exactly the same time.
13:16<@rohara>The charge should be processed soon, though.
13:18<akerl>Or not
13:18<akerl>april fools!
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13:23<nate>Eugene: Normally takes mine the better part of the day before it auto processes
13:24<shinji257>Keep in mind if you got a new card since the last time you paid it may need updating.
13:24<Eugene>It used to be pretty quick for me
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13:36<gar>A customer has asked us how what (physical) security is in place at our hosting provider. Does anyone know if Linode publishes this information and where I could find it?
13:37<buhman>gar: support can probably help with that
13:37<Yaakov>gar: They are two burly thugs at each rack with war hammers.
13:38<Yaakov>gar: At least that's how I picture it.
13:38<@rarlan>Yaakov: They prefer to be called warriors. They get mad when you call them thugs.
13:38<Yaakov>Can they read?
13:39<@rarlan>One can out of his good eye. The eye patch makes it difficult for depth perception though
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13:40<Yaakov>ccravens: I pictured them as more threatening.
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13:42<@ccravens>That's our Polish DC, where we use the power of God to protect the servers.
13:42<gar>Thanks buhman! (And Yaakov for the lols)
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13:42<rnowak>where do you think the magic smoke comes from?
13:43<@ccravens>Holy smokes!
13:47<gparent>Felicity Smoaks?
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14:23<relidy>I've opened a support ticket, but would I be safe assuming that when I attempt to enable backups on a new machine and get the message "You have selected extras that the host server does not have available", that it's a resource limitation on the VM host?
14:23<+linbot>New news from forum: Can't receive email with citadel in Email/SMTP Related Forum <>
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14:28<shinji257>Sounds like a safe assumption.
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15:03<JamieL>Hi. Is it possible to use Linode for cPanel/WHM for shared hosting?
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15:49<MaXaMaR>hello I need somebody who can help with account activation credit card checking process
15:50<akerl>MaXaMaR: Step 1) wait
15:50<akerl>There is no step 2
15:52<MaXaMaR>I put there photos, some days ago, and now can't login to my account
15:53<akerl>What happens when you try to log in?
15:55<MaXaMaR>err message invalid login or password
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15:57<akerl>Did you accidentally upload a picture of something that wasn't a credit card, like a cat or flower or something?
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16:03<akerl>It sounds like your account verification attempt failed
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16:04<MaXaMaR>and how can I understand what was wrong? no message, no response via email
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16:06<akerl>You can email them if you'd like
16:07<MaXaMaR>but they don't respond
16:08<MaXaMaR>today, yesterday, several times from different emails
16:08*akerl begins to suspect something fishy
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16:29<MaXaMaR>so will they at least return money or is it a fraud service?
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16:30<akerl>If they cancelled your account, they refunded your money
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16:43<Eugene>What is this, BSD?
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17:16<MaXaMaR>akerl, ok thanks
17:18<MaXaMaR>no they didn't refund
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17:40<jarr0dsz>hi everyone, anyone attempted to intall g++ 4.9 on centos 6?
17:40<jarr0dsz>i require this version to compile certain software but there is not much info on compiling 4.9 on centos, no 4.9 yum version availbale
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17:42<jarr0dsz>latest now is gcc-c++-4.4.7-11.el6.x86_64 if anyone have a good idea to get this to 4.9
17:44<sirpengi>jarr0dsz: have you seen devtools
17:45<jarr0dsz>sirpengi no havent i was thinking perhaps linuxbrew would be an option to get this gcc version
17:45<sirpengi>oh lame, devtools only has 4.8.2
17:45<jarr0dsz>ofcourse don't want to mess up the existing gcc
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17:46<sirpengi>jarr0dsz: basically you can just compile it, and set a prefix so it installs somewhere else
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17:48<jarr0dsz>i tried that one, doesent work sadly
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17:49<sirpengi>jarr0dsz: in what manner doesn't it work
17:50<jarr0dsz>i had some issues i can not recall atm, the linux brew clone seems to work OK so far
17:50<jarr0dsz>that is
17:50<sirpengi>i mean it looks fine enough. it could be you don't have a required tool installed, or the source links it has are out of date (both easy things to fix)
17:51<jarr0dsz>a bit overkill but i really require this 4.9 version. I try this road and if it fails cleanup and try the link you provided
17:51<jarr0dsz>linuxbrew is "containerized" which is an advantage i think
18:02<MajObviousman>jarr0dsz: what on earth do you have that's requiring 4.9
18:02<jarr0dsz>MajObviousman well its a certain server application that requires this
18:03<MajObviousman>I think that vendor needs a nastygram
18:03<jarr0dsz>is a video convertor server and its quite edgy
18:03<MajObviousman>won't fix anything, but it'll likely make you feel better
18:03<jarr0dsz>quite a pain to setup, also on osx i have several compile issues.
18:03<jarr0dsz>so im now trying to compile it on my linode an workstation at the same time ;)
18:03<MajObviousman>as in distcc?
18:04<MajObviousman>you are using gcc or clang on your os x box?
18:04<MajObviousman>none of this will help you, I'm merely curious
18:04<jarr0dsz>gcc using brew the 4.9 version also
18:05<jarr0dsz>its quite easy to containerize stuff with brew and have it installed on a safe location
18:06<jarr0dsz>did the same for my centos 6 box, using the brew port for linux, some issues there not compiling gcc
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18:06<jarr0dsz>all in all this is quite a non-easy painfull flow
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18:07<jarr0dsz>like so perhaps attempt the above suggestion once more
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18:11<MajObviousman>given how many platforms you've had to fuck with just to test out COMPILING the thing, much less using it
18:11<MajObviousman>I think it's time to go back to the vendor and chew some ass
18:11<MajObviousman>this is costing you a lot of time
18:13<jarr0dsz>well if i have gcc++ 4.9 installed it should not be that much of a problem to compile the bella ;p
18:18<jarr0dsz>the provided link for 4.9 seems to work fine so far
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18:30<jarr0dsz>hmz gcc also does not compile with the provided script :( im getting a ./stdio.h:1010:1: error: 'gets' undeclared here (not in a function)
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18:39<felipecoutinho>Hello friends,
18:40<felipecoutinho>help me please
18:40*felipecoutinho slaps avelardi around a bit with a large fishbot
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18:42<felipecoutinho>suck my eggs
18:42<akerl>We can answer 0% of the questions you don't ask
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18:45<felipecoutinho>Not can not access my account, I sent the requested documents and the copy of the card but I can not access my account. The logins and passwords invalid try to retrieve my login or password and not get the email. Could you help me?
18:45<jarr0dsz>i did not know that compiling gcc++ would that *that* long
18:45<akerl>When you try to log in to the Linode Manager, it says your user/password are invalid?
18:45<akerl>jarr0dsz: It's a big boy
18:46<jarr0dsz>akerl do you know how long on average ;) its about 10min so far just curious im patient :P
18:47<kyhwana>felipecoutinho: you need to wait until they verify your account and email you
18:47<akerl>jarr0dsz: No idea
18:47<jarr0dsz>compiling it parallel on osx and my linode, lights the geek inside me ;p
18:47<akerl>jarr0dsz: Why not install gcc4.9 from brew?
18:48<akerl>Ah, it has 4.2
18:48<jarr0dsz>i had some issues with the brew install so im trying this "native" compilation hope it works out
18:48<felipecoutinho>kykwana Do you know how long more or less takes?
18:48<kyhwana>felipecoutinho: depends, usually it's a day or two
18:48<akerl>felipecoutinho: When you try to sign into the Linode Manager, does it say your credentials are invalid or does it say your account is pending?
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18:49<felipecoutinho>akerl When I try to enter the manager linode.
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18:49<akerl>Yes, which one of those things happens when you try to log into the Linode Manager
18:50<felipecoutinho>akerl If I forgot to get username does not report that was envidado data but I get no email.
18:50<akerl>When you try to log into the Linode Manager, what does the error message say
18:51<felipecoutinho>— Invalid username or password —
18:51<akerl>That would indicate that your signup was cancelled, and your payment refunded.
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19:26<A-KO>sigh this is going to be a dumb question. How do I use the routed /56 block on my linode? I'm not routing per say, just want to use additional addresses on the interface....
19:26<A-KO>centos 7..
19:27<dwfreed>A-KO: just bring up an address, then
19:27<A-KO>tried that....
19:27<A-KO>validating address config.....can ping my linode-assigned public ip just fine..
19:28<akerl>A-KO: What is your IPv6 address, and what is the address from the /56 that you brought up?
19:28<akerl>where "your" is "the SLAAC one you had to begin with"
19:29<A-KO>slaac: 2600:3c03:f03c:91ff:fe50:ec09/64 and just trying to bring up 2600:3c03:e001:1e00::25/64
19:29<akerl>I thought you said it was a /56?
19:29<HoopyCat>64, 56, whatever it takes
19:29<dwfreed>akerl: subnet mask is irrelevant in this case
19:29<HoopyCat>A-KO: what's hasn't worked so far?
19:30<akerl>True, but no sense not getting it right
19:30<A-KO>HoopyCat: pinging the ::25 one from the internet.
19:30<A-KO>in this case, I only want to use one of the /64's from the /56 for this purpose
19:30<akerl>Um... did you type those by hand?
19:30<akerl>'2600:3c03:f03c:91ff:fe50:ec09' is not an IPv6 address
19:30<A-KO>er, probably
19:30<A-KO>slaac: 2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe50:ec09/64 and just trying to bring up 2600:3c03:e001:1e00::25/64
19:30<A-KO>sorry :P
19:31<A-KO>forgot the :: in the first address
19:31<akerl>Also, pastebin `ip -6 addr`, `ip -6 route` and 'ip6tables-save'
19:31<HoopyCat>akerl: i mean, commands... what commands are you typing to configure yonder IP
19:31*akerl bonks HoopyCat
19:32<HoopyCat>A-KO: see above
19:32<akerl>Also would recommend double double checking that your Linode Manager Remote Access tab says that "2600:3c03:e001:1e00::/56" is routed to "2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe50:ec09"
19:33<JamesTKirk>Eight hours into a migration
19:33<JamesTKirk>...5 to go
19:33<akerl>I'd copy-paste to make absolutely sure you get the colons/doublecolons correct
19:33<HoopyCat>my excuse: burned fingers
19:33<JamesTKirk>Does linode use a 6mbit ADSL connection on Newark or something
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19:34<JamesTKirk>Couldn't make a temp linode due to pending invoice too. lel
19:34*JamesTKirk good
19:34<A-KO>GUESS THAT'S IT.....
19:34<HoopyCat>akerl is a professional colon inspector
19:34<JamesTKirk>I route my /56's to the first /116 address in my pools
19:35<akerl>I have rubber gloves and everything
19:35*JamesTKirk hates tickets
19:35<A-KO>I think I found the issue
19:35<A-KO>the /56 is routed to an old linode I had it looks like it's routed to the old/wrong address
19:35<akerl>that'd do it
19:35<A-KO>guess I'll have to have a ticket for that
19:35<JamesTKirk>That would help it!
19:35<JamesTKirk>A-KO: or ask for a /116 so you don't need tickets in the future
19:36<praetorian>you know, i think a /116 may be less ip's james.
19:36<A-KO>heh, probably a good idea I suppose. I used to use the old block for openvpn stuff
19:36<A-KO>dunno, my home net has a /60 so
19:37<praetorian>anyway, ipv6. SCARY STUFF
19:37<JamesTKirk>praetorian: ... my /116 has a /56 routed into it
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19:38<A-KO>meh, not ipv6 scary stuff, I just hadn't touched this part of my linode configs in a long, long time.
19:38<JamesTKirk>2600:3c03::46:7000 - 2600:3c03::46:7fff (4096 addresses)
19:38<JamesTKirk>2600:3c03:e001:2a00:: / 56 routed to 2600:3c03::46:7000
19:39-!-BDIkaros is now known as Ikaros
19:40<JamesTKirk>Bondage Drugs Ikaros?
19:40<JamesTKirk>or whatever
19:40<JamesTKirk>oh, D is for Domination
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19:41<A-KO>damn that was fast linode
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19:41<A-KO>way to respond to tickets within like 2 minutes
19:42<spaz>hey - can you limit access to a specific file using apache2.conf as opposed to using .htaccess
19:42<Ikaros>JamesTKirk: No it was shorthand for my old nickname. Not IRC nickname but real nickname
19:42<JamesTKirk>Linode was fat to tell me they won't lock my acount for paying 9 days late >.>
19:42<JamesTKirk>err, quick, not fat
19:43<JamesTKirk>Ikaros: I see
19:43<JamesTKirk>alrighty,going dark for a bit :)
19:43<Ikaros>Sage t-shirt came in today :D
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19:44<A-KO>aaaaaaaand boom
19:44<A-KO>ticket fixed all issues
19:44<A-KO>go figure :D
19:45<JamesTKirk>now, pay my invoice
19:45*JamesTKirk can't affor $11, how sad
19:45<Ikaros>Pfft, pay your own invoice
19:45<JamesTKirk>I will, on the 9th
19:46<JamesTKirk><3 linode
19:46<Ikaros>Heh. See, they're not like some of the other hosts I've had, who say "1 day late = shutoff"
19:47<Ikaros>Though I've always made a point to get it paid when it's due, no matter what.
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19:47<JamesTKirk>2 days late "what customer?"
19:47<Ikaros>No likey disruptions
19:47<JamesTKirk>Do gqve me a few months...
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21:09<gregwork>does linode offer smart host email gw for customers, hotmail doesnt like email sent directly from my vps
21:09<akerl>You probably ought to check the headers / logs to find out *why* hotmail doesn't like the email
21:09<akerl>and then fix that thing
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21:12<gregwork>eh .. ok google says they want spf / dkim
21:13<gregwork>ok ill set that up
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21:14<HoopyCat>gregwork: alternatively, using something like amazon SES or mailchimp mandrill may drastically improve the odds of messages being successfully delivered
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21:22<kuzetsa> ... oh, it's april 1st :(
21:22*Ikaros chuckles
21:22<kuzetsa>hi Ikaros :)
21:22<Ikaros>So even the IETF getting into it.
21:23<dzho>once a year
21:23<dzho>I like that there are emoticons defined by RFC
21:24<dzho>I expect this to figure in a mock nerd fight ANY DAY NOW
21:24<dzho>(so what if it's old news)
21:25<Ikaros>My own father pulled a "I don't know you" gag on me today too, even. Texted him to ask him something, and the response I got back was "Who is this?"
21:25<Ikaros>For a moment there I thought his number changed without me knowing.
21:26<@caker>haha @ rfc7511 ... only one to really get me today
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21:28<kuzetsa>oh, hi there dzho (I just realized why you made the reference to linoders, and why your nick looked familiar)
21:28<kuzetsa>small world
21:28<kuzetsa>HoopyCat: I blame you :)
21:29<Ikaros>You should have seen the one I did with one of the sites I manage. We threw the US government's domain seizure page up on the front, and changed the text to personally reference the name of the owner and some ridiculous charges he'd been arrested on. Of course with a little small link to the real front page and a "Haha GOTCHA"
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22:19<HoopyCat>Peng: *grabs popcorn*
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22:26<zhangmingyu>is here have people ??
22:26<zhangmingyu>I need help !!!
22:28<Nivex>I saw RFC 7511 earlier. Just saw 7514.
22:28<Nivex>to zhangmingyu ask
22:28<Nivex>!to zhangmingyu ask
22:28<+linbot>zhangmingyu: If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
22:30<zhangmingyu>I forget my Linode account and my google e-mail account,but I can remeber my already binded VISA card number, can you help me?
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22:31<Nivex>that sounds like a difficult position. You may need to telephone on that one.
22:32<zhangmingyu>thans very much !
22:33<zhangmingyu>what is LINODE telphone number ??
22:35<kyhwana>I bet if you knew someone had a linode account and you picked up their CC from a CC breach you could then use that to get their linode account.
22:36<zhangmingyu>what is CC?
22:37<Nivex>kyhwana: yes, I thought of that. That's why I suggested he call in. Support can make the determiniation if it's legit.
22:38<dcraig>how does one forget his gmail account?
22:38<kyhwana>Credit Card
22:38<Nivex>based on the nick, I think there's a language barrier here too. I'm guessing they mean forgot the password to.
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22:49<zhangmingyu>heihei, I come from China
22:49<zhangmingyu>English just soso .
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23:22<Aram-P>hey guys, anyone on?
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23:24<Ikaros>Gee, he didn't wait long.
23:30<JamesTKirk>One Hour Thirty Minutes
23:31<JamesTKirk>Dang 6mbit ADSL :P
23:31<Ikaros>Ha, suck it, 85 Mbps fiber :D
23:32<JamesTKirk>Ikaros: Eh, really it's migrating a Linode from Fremont to Newark
23:32<JamesTKirk>Be nice to tap that 2680v3 tho
23:32<Ikaros>Oh, joining me in Newark are you
23:32<JamesTKirk>I would have had a clone running atm... but I couldn't pay my invoice. woops
23:33<JamesTKirk>R U on a host with 2680v3's?
23:33<purrdeta>1gbps fiber
23:33<purrdeta>I win.
23:33<Ikaros>Nope, v2's
23:33<JamesTKirk>Ask for some v3 goodness
23:34<Ikaros>Nah, I just migrated due to an issue with the previous host, I think I can live with what I have right now.
23:34<JamesTKirk>But DDR4! AVX 2.0!
23:34<Ikaros>There is such a thing as unnecessary downtime, and that's part of it.
23:35<JamesTKirk>14 hours downtime by the time this migration is done
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23:36<Ikaros>That's not to say I wouldn't consider it in the future but I can't really see myself needing anything more than what I have at the moment.
23:37<+linbot>New news from forum: On creating and then restoring from the image in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
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23:46<MajObviousman>any time I see some use R in place of are or U in place of you
23:46<MajObviousman>red flag
23:46<MajObviousman>both in the same sentence ... well, let's just not talk about that
23:51<avenj>u r rud
23:55<MajObviousman>avenj: yep
23:56<Peng>Is there a red flag emoji?
23:58<dcraig>I want an amazon dash button, but for linodes
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