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---Logopened Tue Apr 14 00:00:32 2015
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01:25<WormFood>akerl, you're right. That one IP isn't responding. I'm not sure what the problem is. I'm investigating the problem now.
01:28<akerl>`ip addr`, `ip route`, and `iptables-save` would probably be enlightening
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01:39<+linbot>New news from forum: need a recommendation which package to go in Sales Questions and Answers <>
01:42<kyhwana>hmm. what does ssl certs have to do with ^
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02:05<nate>I don't even understand how either statements are enough to go by in suggestinga package
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02:42<andrew>anyone else having problems with their linode server in Dallas?
02:43<andrew>I'm also not able to even log in to to open a ticket. heh
02:43<andrew>yeah, let me give that a whirl
02:45<@drussell>Peng: <3
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02:50<andrew>looks like a good time here:
02:53<andrew>looks like several problems along the hops.
03:04<andrew>looks like a few of the hops have cleared up now. thanks
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03:06<kyhwana>No problems with dallas here
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03:41<steven>i wonder when singapore server will be ready?
03:42<WormFood>akerl, I figured out my problem. I was trying to use my old IP. D'oh!
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04:20<dcraig>what are good linode jokes?
04:34<praetorian>knock knock
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04:38<@drussell>gparent: That was pretty good fwiw.
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05:10<+linbot>New news from forum: need a recommendation which package to go in Sales Questions and Answers <>
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05:40<+linbot>New news from forum: GCC not working, please help [ missing] in General Discussion <>
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07:04<somebodee>Using spamassasin, how do you view spam mail?
07:04<somebodee>I currently using spamassassin to mark as spam, but how can I view it using IMAP?
07:10<+linbot>New news from forum: Wordpress Sub-domain in Nginx - Not working in Web Servers and Web App Development <>
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07:50<biswajit>get fata error doveadm(root): Fatal: userdb lookup failed
07:50<biswajit>when checking for user
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08:00<biswajit>can anybody please help me
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08:58<dzho>biswajit: the usual approach here is to look at logs to see what error messages are generated, and, if necessary, to increase the logging level of whatever programs are involved to give that kind of information.
08:59<dzho>if you find relevant log entries, please pastebin them somewhere and then paste the link to that here for consideration by anyone who might be able and willing to help.
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09:00<dzho>also, it helps to describe things in a pattern like "I did this, and expected this to happen, but this happened instead. So next I tried this, and ..."
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09:29<Luiz_>There is someone from Linode to help me?
09:29<+linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
09:31<@ccravens>If you need official help, it's best to open a ticket with support.
09:31<Ubik>What about those of us who need mental help? :)
09:31<jrhunt>i assumed that's why we hung out in this channel...
09:32<Luiz_>I'm a professor in a college in Brazil and I'm looking for company that offer VPS for students
09:32<@ccravens>I think hanging out on this channel may define "need for mental help".
09:33<@ccravens>We have a lot of students using Linode.
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09:35<Luiz_>Does Linode have some kind of student packet ?
09:35<Luiz_>That is cheapper or even for free?
09:35<@ccravens>If you wanted to host a hackathon, I know Linode employees who would line up to attend one in Brazil. :)
09:36<@ccravens>I know we give a month free to students at hackathons to support their projects, but I don't know of anything long-term. I've only been here a month.
09:36<@ccravens>Actually, asking support is the best way to get a good answer... they can put you in touch with marketing if necessary.
09:38<Luiz_>A month free would be somethink cool for those that have nothing...
09:39<@drussell>Luiz_: You should reach out to us directly, and one of my colleagues in the Support Department will send your request for partnership to our Marketing Team. In some cases, we do sponsor schools and institutes of higher learning. I can't guarantee that'll be the case, but we can explore the possibility.
09:39<Luiz_>Thank you for the tip
09:40<Luiz_>Thank you Drussell
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09:40*MajObviousman signs up the linode contact number for CatFacts
09:40*drussell gladly accepts all calls from the CatFacts number
09:43<pronto>i ordered glitter to linode HQ
09:44<@drussell>Fabulous. Now I can live my life-long dream of dazzling myself in glitter at work.
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09:48<biswajit>doveadm(root): Fatal: userdb lookup failed
09:48<biswajit>when checking for users
09:48<Ubik>it's broken
09:48<biswajit>can anyone please tell me what may be the problem
09:49<biswajit>what is broken?
09:49<Ubik>userdb lookup
09:49<Ubik>now why, I'm not sure :/
09:49<Ubik>don't think I have ever seen that one before
09:51<biswajit>userdb lookup failed for emailid
09:51<biswajit>i want to install email server in my linode server
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10:38<serundeputy>does cloning your linode incur a cost?
10:39<@alexf>well if you're cloning it to a 2nd Linode you need to pay for the 2nd Linode
10:40<@alexf>but the process of cloning does not incur a cost
10:40<serundeputy>ok ;thanks perfect
10:40<@alexf>Not yet, but I'm getting there
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10:43<WLS-ITGuy>Hello all - Couple questions for hosted vs Managed servers
10:44<WLS-ITGuy>I am looking to move from our current hosted provider but am wondering if I should go to a managed cloud or VPS type account.
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10:47<@rohara>They're the same thing.
10:48<WLS-ITGuy>Sorry - meant shared hosting vs Managed Cloud/VPS
10:48<@rohara>Every Linode is the same thing, Managed or not.
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10:49<WLS-ITGuy>OK. Our current provider is a shared hosted account. What are the benefits to moving to Linode?
10:50<@rohara>Everything is a benefit compared to shared hosting. You have root access to the system and can install/configure anything you need. You can run a custom kernel/distro if you want.
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10:56<@alexf>provided you can run your own server
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11:22<WLS-ITGuy>@alexf what do you mean by "run your own server"?
11:24<jasonm>Can you manage your own linux server?
11:24<jasonm>do you know how to install and setup everything you need, secure it, update it, etc
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11:25<WLS-ITGuy>Oh that way - Yes that I can do - I wasn't sure if you mean I had to provide it like a co-location
11:26<@alexf>WLS-ITGuy: yea. Shared hosting means you pay someone else to run the operating system and the web server software stack. Then you share space on that stack with other customers.
11:26<@alexf>On a Linode you choose the version of Linux, install the software, configure, and maintain it
11:27<WLS-ITGuy>Is there an option to have someone else maintain the OS but I can take care of the software updates, etc
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11:33<WLS-ITGuy>Found it on the site - $100 per month
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11:34<@alexf>WLS-ITGuy: read that thuroughly
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11:34<@alexf>Managed will help keep your site up, but I wouldn't expect that service to cover system updates
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11:38<AlexC_>Please rename Linode Managed! :)
11:38<jasonm>What does managed include?
11:38<jasonm>Just someone to call when something breaks?
11:38<AlexC_>Not a managed server ;)
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11:39<@rohara>jasonm: We log into your server to fix it but we do not perform routine maintenance.
11:39<jasonm>thank you
11:39<@rohara>You're very welcome.
11:39<AlexC_>s/Managed/Incident Support/
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11:40<@rohara>AlexC_: Okay
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11:41<AlexC_>If only life was that simple!
11:41<jasonm>Managed Vrs Incident Support is kinda the same as TWC Broadband Vrs TWC Wideband no? ;)
11:44<WLS-ITGuy>Is there anyone that provides true managed?
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11:45<jasonm>I'm not affiliated with linode I just use them, but I would assume you speak with a server dude if you want someone to know your setup and fully manage your environment
11:45<jasonm>and it's probably going to cost more than $100 a linode ;)
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11:46<AlexC_>Way more
11:47<WLS-ITGuy>That is what I figured - The powers that be don't want us to bring our servers in house but I have the linux knowledge and VMWare knowledge to maintain them but have to show them all the options
11:48<jasonm>I'm with them on bringing servers in house
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11:49<jasonm>I'm trying to slowly transition my rack of servers into the cloud
11:49<jasonm>I'm sick of working on hardware ;)
11:50<WLS-ITGuy>I am the hardware guy although I get both sides.
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12:20<Cromulent>this will make you laugh (or cry)
12:21<jasonm>Don't bank with them!
12:21<Cromulent>yep I'd love to know which bank it actually is
12:23<jasonm>eh, probably some bank in Podunk some where with 500 accounts total
12:23<jasonm>Which out of those 500 accounts 2 people own smart phones, and they are 2012 models ;)
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12:27<MajObviousman>does anyone have experience with using Synology backing stores for a VM cluster?
12:28<Cromulent>jasonm: heh my smart phone is from 2012 - I see no reason to upgrade it - it runs the latest version of Android just fine
12:28<jasonm>Actually after I typed it mine is too ;)
12:29<jasonm>I see no reason to upgrade until they get a good OS on a smart phone
12:29<jasonm>I think the current phones all stick frankly
12:29<Cromulent>so never then?
12:29<jasonm>pretty much
12:29<jasonm>I'm afraid
12:42<zifnab>just accepted a job
12:43<zifnab>now i get to tell linode 'sorry i accepted a job', and like 3 other companies....
12:45<Nivex>zifnab: that is a great problem to have
12:45<Nivex>zifnab: congrats
12:45<zifnab>i feel kinda like a jerk, they put so much time into shit
12:45<zifnab>i have two 'We want to fly you out's sitting here
12:45<Nivex>I've got four apps out right now and am working on two more.
12:46<zifnab>i hit 200 then gave up
12:46<zifnab>~20 interviews, 5 offered on-site, 3 of them i took, 1 of them gave me an amazin goffer
12:47<zifnab>email bounced
12:47<zifnab>OH, apparently didn't like the 21mb pdf
12:49<MajObviousman>zifnab: congrats
12:49<zifnab>i'm terrified
12:49<zifnab>i'm giving up a stable job that pays decently well for the area for a job in a city i've never spent more than a week in
12:49<zifnab>going from 'everyone knows everyone' to 'seattle freeze'
12:50<zifnab>this should be fun
12:51<Nivex>I know a guy who lived here that did that. Decided he'd burned out on IT and wanted to become a writer.
12:52<Nivex>he's doing con/cosplay photography now too
12:52<zifnab>i didn't really 'burn out' on IT stuff
12:52<zifnab>it was a temporary position that turned into a permanant position
12:53<zifnab>i 'burned out' on them charging me out at 8x my pay scale and blaming overhead, lol
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13:00*MajObviousman can usually tell when he bumps up against the top of his RAM
13:05<jasonm>I just made a change in DNS on linode, and ns1 and ns2 updated but not 3,4, and 5, is it normal for them to be behind on the update?
13:07<hawk>For a master zone in the dns manager?
13:07<jasonm>I updated a master domain, yes
13:08<+linbot>New news from docs: Install and Configure Don't Starve Together Server on Ubuntu 14.04 <>
13:10<hawk>Master zones are updated every 15 minutes. I would have thought that all of the nameservers would get the same data when the update happens but maybe the timing will affect that. If it's all updated in the next cycle I guess there's probably no real cause for concern.
13:11<jasonm>okay thank you
13:11<hawk>(Slave zones update whenever you chance the data, but then you obviously need a master of your own)
13:11<jasonm>they were delayed on the servers that were not ns1
13:11<jasonm>but they trickled down over about 10 minutes I think after the master was reloaded on ns1
13:12<jasonm>I may go ahead and resetup a master
13:12<jasonm>thank you
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13:19<gparent>drussell: ehe
13:19<gparent>some people don't like that joke
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13:20<gparent>but heh, always worth poking fun at things that are better now :)
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13:39<PaacDev>@linbot are you a bot or a real person?
13:39<+linbot>I am a bot.
13:40<PaacDev>DDos Attack
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13:57<MajObviousman>I really have to wonder why people keep thinking putting together systems is easy
13:57<MajObviousman>how many people have we had come in here saying they wanted to or were installing email on their linode
13:58<MajObviousman>but then, last week I got a lengthy training on ruby on rails, and it was demonstrated for me just how many things it takes care of
13:58<MajObviousman>so I stopped wondering
13:59<zifnab>at one point i thought about setting up my own email
13:59<zifnab>then i decided that paying someone 40/yr for email worked better
13:59<jasonm>Who do you use?
13:59<zifnab>i'm sure it would have cost me more than 40/yr in time to keep it running
14:00<zifnab>works well, unless you need multiple addresses/accounts
14:00<zifnab>(i only needed the one, so 'meh')
14:00<MajObviousman>I've currently got a long-running argument^Wdiscussion with my boss over whether to host our own WordPress instance or leave it where it is on a WP hosting provider
14:00<MajObviousman>leave it there, it's cheap!
14:00<jasonm>ohhh, yah, I need to figure out what I'm going to be doing with about 150 accounts
14:00<MajObviousman>and they do updates for us
14:00<zifnab>jasonm: i *hate* saying this, but office365 isn't terrible
14:00<zifnab>i actually like it better than google apps
14:00<zifnab>at this point :/
14:00<jasonm>I wouldn't touch a M$ product with a 39 1/2' pole ;)
14:01*zifnab hands jasonm a 40' pole
14:01<MajObviousman>one wonders what the difference between a consumer grade and an enterprise grade SSD is
14:01<jasonm>I'm really looking for something managed but that i can brand
14:01<jasonm>and support fully
14:01<jasonm>but I think I'm asking for too much
14:01<MajObviousman>jasonm: you want white box admin?
14:01<jasonm>maj: the memory type
14:02<jasonm>the enterprise handles many more writes
14:03<jasonm>I'm trying to find specifics on it
14:03<jasonm>just a sec
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14:03<MajObviousman>well, I'm debating between raid1 ssd for system disks or just doing it all in RAM
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14:03<MajObviousman>booting off of usb and writing everything up into ramdisk
14:04<jasonm>I guess the question needing to be asked is would anything be in ramdisk that couldn't be lost?
14:04<MajObviousman>I assume some logfiles of note
14:05<MajObviousman>this is going on a beefy chassis with 10 disks in it, so it's not like there's no storage
14:05<MajObviousman>I'm just trying to avoid burning hotswap slots for system disks
14:05<MajObviousman>and it's easy to stick two USB keys into the back of the server
14:05<MajObviousman>if one breaks or fucks up, tell remote hands "Yank out the red one and reboot it"
14:06<MajObviousman>surely they won't be able to screw that up. Right? ... right?
14:06<zifnab>MajObviousman: i wonder that quite often
14:07<zifnab>MajObviousman: i have a 500gb drive that has written probably close to a petabyte of data in its ~8 year life
14:07<zifnab>its a wd blue
14:08<zifnab>which everyone claims is shit
14:08<zifnab>(i'm guessing petabytes because its my 'to be sorted' drive for torrents, and thats about what downloads equal?)
14:08<zifnab>maybe 500tb
14:09*zifnab looks
14:10<MajObviousman>so let's say I'm writing log files into a tmpfs mounted somewhere
14:11<MajObviousman>do you think can that be quiesced long enough to do a "sync" and then an rsync to persistent storage?
14:11<MajObviousman>not sure how to do that
14:12<MajObviousman>I know certain userspace programs do this, like databases it's common
14:12<zifnab>er, thats a good question
14:12<zifnab>we did that with an old minecraft server
14:12<zifnab>dropped the server in /dev/shm then did backups every 15min to /home/minecraft
14:12<zifnab>(if the server crashed there'd be an upto 15min data loss, which we deemed acceptable)
14:12<MajObviousman>yeah, 15m only is pretty great
14:13<MajObviousman>did you just do rsync without any quiesce attempts?
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14:14<zifnab>this 500gb drive has written 667TB
14:14<zifnab>thats a platter though, not bad
14:14<zifnab>(and thats assuming that LBAs written is valid in SMART)
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14:15<zifnab>the ssd has only written 13tb :(
14:15<MajObviousman>so yes, quiescing is possible as of a patch in 2009
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14:16<MajObviousman>bingo, fsfreeze
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14:36<zifnab>MajObviousman: what happens if i 'fsfreeze --freeze /'
14:36<MajObviousman>time to try it in a VM
14:36<zifnab>i'm in a vm
14:36<MajObviousman>since I expect fsfreeze interats with the kernel, it should be ok
14:36<zifnab>i just want irc to stay
14:36<zifnab>i mean, couldn't you just 'mount -o remount,ro /' too
14:36<MajObviousman>the freeze doesn't terminate I/O, just makes them all blocking until unfreeze
14:37<zifnab>well, unless fsfreeze just blocks
14:37<MajObviousman>similar mechanism, but one's more permanent
14:37<zifnab>thats useful
14:37<zifnab>i use the remount often if i have to rsync a live server elsewhere
14:37<zifnab>things don't like ro /
14:37<MajObviousman>I'd still use remount
14:38<MajObviousman>at the very least, you will want to set noatime on / before fsfreeze
14:38<MajObviousman>otherwise it won't matter, your reads will block due to the atime write
14:39<zifnab>oh thats a good point
14:39<zifnab>okay i should go to work
14:39<zifnab>been working from home all morning :/
14:39*MajObviousman puts noatime on most things just on principle
14:40<zifnab>i leave whatever is default i guess?
14:40<zifnab>/dev/xvda2 on / type ext3 (rw,noatime,nodiratime,errors=remount-ro)
14:40<jasonm>fastmail is not for me
14:40<jasonm>that is for sure ;)
14:40<zifnab>its not a corporate thing
14:40<jasonm>Well I put in 100 accounts and it's $6015/yr
14:40<zifnab>i wouldn't use it if i had more than me on any of my domains
14:40<zifnab>oh god
14:40<jasonm>well it says for business ;)
14:41<zifnab>thats nuts
14:41<zifnab>i'm okay paying 40/yr for me
14:41<jasonm>I wish I could make that much managing them ;)
14:41<zifnab>its a good product
14:42<zifnab>they did a 12 days of christmas thing last year where they walked through their technical stuff
14:42<jasonm>yah, I just need to find a good product for my needs
14:42<jasonm>that won't break the bank
14:42<jasonm>I will end up probably having to build and support an email server though
14:42<jasonm>which I really am over
14:42<zifnab>its there somewhere
14:42<zifnab>google apps maybe?
14:42<zifnab>isnt it $3/user/mo?
14:42<jasonm>not for business
14:43<jasonm>it's at least $5
14:43<jasonm>I thought
14:43<jasonm>and really that doesn't help me
14:43<zifnab>anyways work i g uess
14:43<zifnab>don't really want to
14:43<MajObviousman>so in ext3/4, the journal is in one place, right?
14:44<zifnab>this is the last two weeks for me :/
14:44<MajObviousman>so then, how does an SSD to trim levelling on that? Internal remapping?
14:44<zifnab>ssds are not in block order
14:44<MajObviousman>though they present themselves as such
14:44<MajObviousman>so that's what the controller does
14:45*MajObviousman has a lightbulb moment
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15:17<MajObviousman>nnnnrrrrrrgh, I am struggling to get over this feeling of "If I build it myself, it'll be so much better!"
15:17<MajObviousman>no time for that any more
15:17<jasonm>it's hard
15:17<jasonm>I'm doing the same thing, or at least trying to
15:18<MajObviousman>it's breaking patterns I've built for the past 8 years
15:18<MajObviousman>I mean, how I've goten to where I am is by building "it" mostly by myself and it works great
15:18<jasonm>My patterns too, just over the last 20 years for me ;)
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15:22<MajObviousman>haha, ESXi + FreeNAS VM with hardware passthrough of the raid card
15:22*MajObviousman wonders how stable that is
15:22<@ccravens>MajObviousman: You hit a point where you just want to use stuff that works without having to build it yourself... when you've been doing this for over 20 years, stuff that's "good enough" becomes really attractive.
15:23<MajObviousman>stuff that I can trust to just work ... yeah that'd be nice
15:23<@ccravens>"good enough"
15:23<@ccravens>That's the key. I still hate black boxes unless they work really, really well. (i.e. "The way they are supposed to.")
15:24<MajObviousman>yeah, I absoultely hate that feeling
15:24<MajObviousman>I look at a black box and I go, "I know you will fail long before we intend to decommission you."
15:24<MajObviousman>and then I think about all the things that will break when it does
15:25<@ccravens>And when you start wondering how to hack root on the black box, that's when you start thinking maybe you should just roll your own. :)
15:25<MajObviousman>well, I'm spending too much time thinking this through
15:25*MajObviousman writes the hardware req and gets on with it
15:26<jasonm>What are you moving?
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15:28<MajObviousman>new dev VM cluster, specifically the backing store for it
15:29<MajObviousman>I've been vacillating between building a FreeNAS install on a SuperMicro 2U 12 drive chassis and a Synology/QNAP COTS bit
15:30<jasonm>sounds like a nightmare ;)
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15:31<jasonm>I just hope all my hardware holds out for another 7 months
15:31<jasonm>until I can be done with it all
15:35*dzho just played one round of the google logo flash game
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15:56<pronto> space-x live steam T minus 15m
15:59<Eugene>Oooh, different angle from the nasa stream
16:01<Eugene>Looks to be about 15 seconds behind
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16:11<dzho>go go go
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16:15<arlen>so cool
16:15<relidy>I really wish they'd go ahead and let us watch the stage 1 landing attempt.
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16:29<MajObviousman>ahh nuts, I missed the launch for a meeting
16:32<Tea>sue your company.
16:32<Tea>reclaim damages in rocket shaped cake
16:32<+linbot>New news from forum: How to setup DNS for sending clean emails from my site? in Linux Networking <>
16:34<arlen>ahh well
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16:40<MajObviousman>for some reason, I thought of the space elevator again. The idea of resuable, landable rockets seems quite sane when compared against that crazy idea
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17:12<pronto> <-- crappy photos of the rocket landing
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17:50<new2vps>i have a question re: linode support. I have never used a VPS service b4. i am looking to primarily manage my own server. I'm so tired of Godaddy. They suck. but i'm afraid to cut the cord completely because I'd end up being the support.
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17:51<@caker>Linodes by default are un-managed. So, yes - it's up to you to install, configure, and maintain the servers
17:52<new2vps>can i get a copy of the vm? in case I want to move it later on to another host or internally run it?
17:52*James_T installs and configures caker2.0
17:52<@caker>you can do whatever you like - it's Linux
17:52<James_T>new2vps: you can use rescue mode to take a disk image and transfer it over ssh etc
17:55<new2vps>ps. anyone have recommendations for a traditional shared hosting provider?
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18:02<tonyyarusso>new2vps: Nope. Shared hosting for $7/mo or VPS for $10/mo - it's just not worth it.
18:03*relidy can't imagine going back to shared hosting.
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18:52<Carlos>hi, linode provee cpanel o whm?
18:53<@caker>only with the Managed add-on (+$100/mo) ... but, if you get your own license you can install it yourself
18:56<Carlos>100 dolar/mo?
18:56<Carlos>the license costs 200 year
18:57<MajObviousman>probably priced that way because they don't want to maintain it?
18:59<@caker>Managed is not just cPanel...
18:59<nate>Carlos: Except you're not paying for just cPanel with managed
18:59<MajObviousman>right, but the requirement for managed
18:59<nate>you're paying linode to reserve people to handle stuff for you
18:59<nate>So you're getting cPanel + limited oncall support for issues regarding your linode that you would otherwise have to do yourself
18:59<MajObviousman>you could make cpanel licenses available apart from managed hosting as a reseller only, but you opted not to do that
19:00<rnowak>maybe a calculated risk where the expected outcome would be that the people wanting cpanel would cause higher support loads (:
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19:00<nate>MajObviousman: Probably because it's usually a pain in the ass and they try to separate themselves as an actual 'hoster', not to mention the fact I believe cPanel resellers are required by cPanel's reseller agreement to handle all support issues through any cpanel licenses they resell
19:00<Cromulent>I would imagine that most Linode users don't use cPanel so being a reseller would be a waste of time
19:00<nate>^ that too
19:01<MajObviousman>maybe I'm misunderstanding what it means to be a reseller then
19:01<MajObviousman>it's not like a reseller has to agree to buy X licenses from cPanel. They're just channel sales.
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19:01<MajObviousman>I think.
19:01<MajObviousman>reseller isn't the right term
19:02<nate>MajObviousman: For linode to provide cpanel licenses they would need to be a reseller
19:02<nate>meaning they would get discounts on licenses but they are generally expected to by X amount of licenses at a time as far as I remember (been a long time since I had anything involving a cpanel reseller account)
19:02<MajObviousman>yeah see, I think that's the old model
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19:25<+linbot>setup is not a verb. Please see
19:28<+linbot>I'm sorry :~(
19:42*kyhwana setup some emails
19:44*staticsafe silently redirects kyhwana's emails to /dev/null
19:45<kyhwana>steveski: that's OK, most of them were spam
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19:47<staticsafe>meanwhile at d-link -
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19:51<hello>How do i set up an spf record?
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19:52<Guest2095>Yes, but where do I set the record?
19:52<Peng>In your DNS.
19:52<Guest2095>through linode dns manager or the domain registrar?
19:53<staticsafe>wherever your DNS is delegated
19:53<staticsafe>what is your domain?
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20:03<hello_>It's delegated with linode
20:03<hello_>if I create a txt record, should i just add the value
20:03<hello_>or do i need to do txt value
20:04<@caker>just the value
20:05<hello_>what do I set for the name?
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20:06<hello_>ty big boi
20:06<hello_>i mean
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20:07*caker feels used
20:07*SlosHeD reads the url about the d-link
20:08<SlosHeD>d-link has always been = to poop
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20:12<Ikaros>That made me laugh
20:13<Ikaros>Wonder if we would get called idiots if we tried to point that out to them
20:17<SlosHeD>"Hello? Yes? Your product is poop"
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20:17<SlosHeD>I'm sure they hear it a lot
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20:19<hello_>My spf record is not working. i set the value in the txt field
20:19<hello_>ttl is default
20:19<hello_>name is blank
20:19<hello_>do I need to reset my linode or something to make the changes go through
20:20<hello_>should it work?
20:20<hello_>I followed this linode guide
20:21<hello_>for spf
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20:21<hello_>and this for dkim
20:21<Peng>hello_: What's your domain? You have to wait < 20 minutes for the Linode DNS servers to start serving it, if you use them, and you may have to wait however long your TTL is configured for if you recently queried the record.
20:22<SlosHeD>Hi Peng :)
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20:24<praetorian>hello darkness my old friend.
20:24<hello_>what is the ttl?
20:24<hello_>in default
20:24<hello_>as default
20:25<SlosHeD>wouldn't that be in the zone file?
20:25<hello_>it is
20:25<Peng>hello_:'s DNS is hosted by, so you'd have to ask them.
20:25<Peng>I don't happen to know off hand.
20:26<hello_>not even on linode
20:26<hello_>do you know an estimate?
20:26<hello_>otherwise I can change it
20:26<Peng> appears to have no SPF or TXT records, by the way.
20:26<SlosHeD>the ones i have on godaddy are defaulted at an hour
20:26<Peng>hello_: Somewhere from 5 minutes to 24 hours probably. :P
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20:27<hello_>kk ty
20:27<Peng>hello_: Actually, it appears to be 5 minutes.
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20:27<Peng>Someone tell hello_ their negative TTL is five minutes next time they come back, if they missed it.
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20:30<storrgie>Long shot, but has anyone in here attended blackhat/defcon recently?
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20:34<arlen>I think gparent did last year
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20:54<pronto> rocket landing on the ocean pad, spacex
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21:18<hello>spf still isn't working
21:18<akerl>what's the domain?
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21:32<Guest2099>My spf record isn't working
21:33<akerl>Well, where did you add the record?
21:33<Guest2099>I set it up on linode with txt
21:33<Guest2099>same with dkim
21:33<akerl>that domain does not use Linode's nameservers
21:33<Guest2099>I'm using this tutorial
21:33<akerl>It uses GoDaddy's
21:33<Guest2099>how can I change it there?
21:33<Guest2099>i can find a guide for it
21:33<akerl>Go to godaddy's control panel and set your domain to use Linode's nameservers
21:34<Guest2099>after that, how should I set the txt record?
21:34<akerl>Set it in the Linode DNS Manager, under the zone for
21:35<Guest2099>okay. I set the name to blank and value to k=rsa;p=J8eTBu224i086iK for dkim
21:35<Guest2099>should that work?
21:35<akerl>Either you didn't do that, or you did it less than 8 minutes ago
21:36<Guest2099>and then name blank for spf and value to this: "v=spf1 a ~all"?
21:36<Guest2099>I mean I did it, but i have to change the nameserver which i'm doing, but I don't know if it's going to work
21:36<Guest2099>just trying to double check
21:36<akerl>Do you have any Linodes?
21:37<Guest2099>I do.
21:37<Guest2099>where do i enter the domain name and sub domain for the txt record?
21:37<Guest2099>i'm using this guide, but it doesn't specify.
21:37<akerl>You make a zone called "" and add TXT records like you described
21:38<akerl>You said you did it...
21:38<Guest2099>I'm doing it now
21:38<Guest2099>Well i did
21:38<Guest2099>let me be more clear
21:38<Guest2099>I'm changing the nameserver right now
21:38<Guest2099>I didn't enter the domain name, becauase I don't where to enter it
21:39<akerl>So where did you put the TXT records?
21:39<Guest2099>I left name blank and value to the values for each
21:39<Guest2099>the zone
21:39<akerl>What zone
21:39<Guest2099>domain zone in the linode manager
21:39<akerl>Yea, which domain's zone
21:39<akerl>No you didn't
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21:40<Guest2099>the nameserver hadn't changed yet. How would you know?
21:40<akerl>Because I asked the nameservers directly
21:41<Guest2099>nice dude
21:42<Guest2099>which nameserver?
21:42<Guest2099>cause I'm doing this on linode not godaddy
21:43<akerl>I have this sneaking suspicion that either you don't actually have any Linodes or you didn't actually add "" in the Linode DNS Manager
21:43<akerl>I haven't decided which way I'm leaning yet, but I'll go get a quarter now
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21:45<Guest2099>I have this sneaky suspicion that you aren't really trying to help me or you probably don't know whats going on yourself.
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21:45<Guest2099>Let me get a dime.
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21:48<zifnab>Guest2099: here's the problem, when i do 'dig in ns', the nameservers are '' and ''
21:48<zifnab>which, afaik, aren't linode
21:48<zifnab>(if you were attempting to set up a new domain with linode - you have to change those records with your registrar, then wait until the change gets pushed/ttls expire)
21:49<akerl>zifnab: Welcome to a while ago. The more amusing factoid is that the domain doesn't exist on Linode's nameservers anyways
21:49<zifnab>i skipped most of the shit in that block of text
21:49<zifnab>my gaf meter is broken
21:49<zifnab>i have 8 days of work remaining
21:49<zifnab>then a week vacation
21:49<zifnab>then new job starts
21:49<zifnab>so, yeah gaf meter is borked for a bit
21:50<akerl>So how much of that is vacation, and how much is frantic relocation?
21:50<zifnab>good question, not sure yet
21:50<zifnab>i'm going to be packed by the time work is over
21:50<zifnab>which is pretty easy - i'm filling my car and throwing everything else out
21:50<zifnab>(or giving it to thrift stores probably?)
21:51<zifnab>i might ask if we can push the start date back one week, i'll see
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22:12<HoopyCat>Offer valid on all purchases made at participating restaurants including taxes and gratuities, when paid with an Eligible Bard enrolled in the Program.
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22:32<zifnab>!wx kbtm
22:32<+linbot>zifnab: [metar] OBS at KBTM: 28.4F/-02C, visibility 7 miles, wind 11.51 mph, chill 18.49F (altimeter: 29.94) [KBTM 150209Z AUTO 32010KT 7SM OVC036 M02/M04 A2994 RMK AO2 SNE05 P0000 T10221044]
22:32<zifnab>!wx ksea
22:32<+linbot>zifnab: [metar] OBS at KSEA: 46.4F/08C, visibility 10 miles, wind 9.21 mph, chill 41.88F (altimeter: 30.38) [KSEA 150153Z 03008KT 10SM SCT030 BKN035 BKN060 08/03 A3038 RMK AO2 RAB35E45 SLP296 P0000 T00830028]
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23:25<geekwolf>linode have high capacity disk?
23:26<geekwolf>low io can ok
23:27<akerl>All plans are listed at . It is not possible to add disk space to a plan other than by resizing to a larger plan
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23:29<geekwolf>if use more than 1T disk ,what should I do ?
23:29<akerl>the largest plan has nearly 2TB
23:30<geekwolf>ssd ?
23:30<akerl>All new Linodes are all SSD, all the time
23:30<HoopyCat>geekwolf: multiple linodes, or external storage (e.g. S3)
23:31<akerl>IMO, if you're storing 1TB of data, either it's data you need continuously and fast, in which case you want to spread it across a cluster of servers with local storage or a CDN (depending on the use case), or your I/O demands are lower and you should use S3 or similar
23:32<geekwolf>Do you have hosting services ?
23:33<geekwolf>i can provide more than 1TB server
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23:33<Peng>Linode doesn't offer colocation, if that's what you're asking.
23:34<geekwolf>yeah, thks
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23:56<Splat>heya, anyone able to tell me if there is any extra cost in using the dns manager?
23:56<virtual>no cost. It's all included.
23:59<ctpdump>Splat: just keep in mind that changes are only propagated every 15 minutes
23:59<ctpdump>eg: on the hour, 15 past, 30 past and 15 to
23:59<ctpdump>and obviously TTL needs to expire for changes to be refreshed
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