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---Logopened Wed Apr 15 00:00:34 2015
00:00<Splat>that doesn't bother me. I just couldn't find anything that said one way or another on the site..
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00:07<Peng>Splat: Also, if you cancel all your other services (and are therefore paying $0/month), you can't use the DNS manager anymre.
00:08<Splat>ok, good to know
00:08<Yaazkal>Hi, I was looking at my lfd logs and see port scanning activity from and Is that normal?
00:09<virtual>What counts as a 'port scan' to you?
00:09<Peng>Yaazkal: Most likely it's legitimate DNS traffic caused by you that your broken IDS is lying about.
00:09<virtual>Or, what Peng said.
00:11<Yaazkal>virtual, lfd reports it as "port scan" (I can see many destination ports).
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00:11<Yaazkal>virtual, Peng this is how the log looks like:
00:11<virtual>is it ongoing now?
00:12<virtual>Because you could do a tcpdump to ensure you're not actually originating the requests that are coming back.
00:12<virtual>Because, it seems, that these are replies to requests that you've probably made.
00:12<akerl>Yaazkal: That's it replying to your request
00:12<virtual>Hmm, overuse of 'because'.
00:13<akerl>You send a packet to port 53 on the resolver -> it sends a reponse back to you
00:13<akerl>note that blocking that is going to cause sadness
00:13<WormFood>I'll bet he is getting "port scanned" from whatever machine is his resolver
00:13<akerl>WormFood: ...
00:13<akerl>read up?
00:15<Yaazkal>virtual, akerl. Understood. I'll see what was doing on that time and check
00:15<virtual>Bit unpracticed at firewalling on Linux - is lfd creating rules to block this stuff, or is there some stateless stuff going on?
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00:16<+linbot>New news from forum: Vagrant/VirtualBox on VPS in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
00:16<Yaazkal>maybe adding resolver1 and resolver2 to a whitelist will prevent future issues, right? (prevent lfd temporal blocking)
00:17<virtual>Posibly - but if you're creating a dNS request and it's being blocked, perhaps there needs to be a tweak elsewhere.
00:17<gparent>maybe tweaking the IDS so it doesn't detect resolving traffic as a port scan that needs to be blocked at ip level, too
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00:17<gparent>assuming that's whats going on
00:17<akerl>Yaazkal: Pretty much any UDP comms where your system talks to a remote service are going to present just like that
00:18<akerl>Whitelisting your resolvers solves this specific occurrence of the issue, but all kinds of fun things use UDP in this fashion
00:18<virtual>It's possible there are no other fun UDP things going on, which case he's safe. :)
00:19<akerl>I would hope your daemon has some way to say "maybe I shouldn't whitelist connections that this system knew about"
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00:19<virtual>^^ yes, that woudl be ideal.
00:19<Yaazkal>akerl: agree, thanks
00:20<virtual>s/white/black/ ;)
00:20<gparent>^ yeah wondering too
00:20<Yaazkal>also virtual and gparent thanks for yor time
00:20<gparent>\o/ np
00:20<virtual>Yaazkal: It's a pleasure. Especially as you didn't come in going OMG, I AM BEING HACKED. ;)
00:20<Yaazkal>virtual: hehehe
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00:28<SlosHeD>hi gparent :)
00:28<Peng>virtual: NTP is a fun UDP thing that's definitely going on.
00:29<Peng>DHCP is also UDP, I think?
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00:30<virtual>oh yeah.
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00:48<Steven>any idea when linode will be available in Singapore, folks?
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00:56<Peng>Check the blog.
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01:04<bigman>I'm trying to configure my spf record
01:04<bigman>I am using this value: "v=spf1 ip4:IP_ADDRESS -all"
01:04<bigman>name is blank
01:05<bigman>the spf record checker does not recognize it...
01:05<Peng>what is your domain
01:06<Peng>Wait you're talking to gparent in #digitalocean aren't you.
01:07<bigman>my computer lost its connection
01:07<bigman>so I'm not on digitalocean irc at this moment
01:08<virtual>It would help if you gave the domain name.
01:09<bigman>are you gparent?
01:13<bigman>there's no valid spf
01:13<bigman>can anyone here offer some help without requiring the domain name?
01:14<virtual>Well, what checker are you using?
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01:17<virtual>so you were using the second checker?
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01:17<bigman>the second checker says its valid
01:17<bigman>the first does not
01:17<bigman>I tried both
01:18<virtual>well, tha's right. You need to put it in your domain for the first checker to work.
01:18<virtual>In your actual DNS zone file, I mean.
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01:18<bigman_>the second one says: SPF record passed validation test with pySPF (Python SPF library)!
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01:19<virtual>But because you're being a little vague and not providing the domain, I can't check on your behalf.
01:19<virtual>Yes, the second one doesn't use DNS, it just uses what you provide *on the page*.
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01:19<bigman_>first says: No valid SPF record found of either type TXT or type SPF.
01:19<virtual>it even says "Tests the supplied SPF record to see if it is valid. This test does NOT look up the record for the supplied domain. It only tests the validity of the supplied record."
01:20<virtual>So, do you have an SPF record in your existing domain, on your name servers?
01:20<bigman_>as txt
01:20<virtual>Well, it appears it's configured wrong. If you don't provide the domain, I guess there's little we can do.
01:21<bigman_>the name should be blank rght?
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01:23<virtual>bigman_: I'm actually unsure what you're doing. I'm not going to keep guessing.
01:23<virtual>If you want to provide more info, then perhaps someone can help.
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02:33<tsup>What's the most important thing for email to bypass spam filter?
02:33<tsup>spf record or dkim
02:34<tsup>I mean do both spf and dkim play a big roll in bypassing spam filter when sending email?
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02:57<dan>Hello ?
02:57<dan>Hi, I need help choosing a plan for hosting wordpress
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02:58<kyhwana>dan: depends how well you configure the LAMP stack and.. nvm then
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03:27<+linbot>New news from forum: Vagrant/VirtualBox on VPS in Feature Request/Bug Report <>
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03:30<makito>How do I setup dkim?
03:32<virtual>makito: have you already checked out any guides?
03:32<makito>I am currently reading this one
03:33<makito>It's pretty vague though
03:33<makito>I have heard about something like opendkim, not sure what it is exactly
03:35<virtual>Maye best to look at an overview.Not sure it's something you can learn very easily on IRC - wikipedia is actually not a bad start.
03:35<virtual>Also, I don't use itmyself yet. :)
03:36<makito>is it complex?
03:36<makito>opendkim or dkim?
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03:37<makito>Is DKIM necessary so that sent email won't be marked as spam?
03:38<virtual>In my experience, no.
03:38<makito>I see
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03:38<virtual>I've also seen a rather large number of faulty DKIM records out there (according to my logs).
03:38<makito>Well what is necessary? I have basically everything
03:38<makito>maybe not the batv
03:38<makito>I have the spf and all that working
03:38<kyhwana>makito: no, but it helps
03:39<makito>I understand
03:39<makito>well I may look into it a little later
03:39<makito>thanks for verifying guys
03:39<virtual>I understand even with valid DKIM some places will still block as spam.
03:39<makito>I see...
03:39<virtual>Nothing is a guarantee, unfortunately.
03:39<makito>Hmm I wonder I am still getting blocked as spam
03:39<makito>I understand
03:40<makito>I have spf, reverse dns, my headers are looking pretty good
03:40<makito>I don't have batv though
03:40<virtual>Depends - without talking to the recipient mail administrator, you won't know.
03:40<virtual>no idea what batv is either. :)
03:40<makito>but I heard it's not much of an issue as far as sent email being marked as spam is concerned
03:40<virtual>though looking it up now.
03:41<makito>BATV (Bounce Address Tag Validation) Check
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03:41<virtual>yeah, I'm not sure about this one.
03:42<virtual>Is it an expired draft?
03:43<virtual>Heh, an old buddy of mine was involved in it. :)
03:43<virtual>yeah. Tony Finch. Mail administrator at University of Cambridge.
03:43<makito>Nice dude
03:43<virtual>Not caught up with him for about 10 years though.
03:43<makito>you go to cambridge?
03:43<virtual>No, I had mutual friends with him.
03:44<makito>I feel you. That's legit dude
03:44<virtual>He's really rather smart, and also manages to do lots, which annoys me, because I don't know how he manges to fit all the stuff he does in the time he has. :)
03:44<makito>virtual, are you able to send to without getting your mail marked as spam?
03:45<virtual>I think so - got some friends on hotmail, seems to be OK for them.
03:45<virtual>But I'm only running a small mail server, for friends and family.
03:45<makito>You're from the UK?
03:45<makito>I'm from the US
03:45<virtual>It's possible the guys receiving the email at hotmail mark as 'not spam' at some point, and that helps.
03:45<virtual>I was in the UK. now in O.
03:45<makito>still cool. I've been trying to get my email to pass spam filters for the last 10 hours lol.
03:46<virtual>Are you getting blocked at hotmail?
03:46<makito>at the moment yes
03:46<virtual>I am guessing your email is more business oriented?
03:46<virtual>Wondering if it's a volume thing.
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03:47<makito>Well I don't know if I'll use it for that. Currently, I am just sending a single email
03:47<makito>bot bulk
03:47<virtual>and, seen this?
03:49<makito>I'll give it a read
03:49<virtual>though the link in there doesn't seem too helpful. :)
03:49<makito>what are you doing to make your work? Anything special?
03:49<virtual>not that I know of. :)
03:50<virtual>My domain/email setup is ancient though. Perhaps there's enough old data to know it's a non spammy domain.
03:51<makito>I feel that.
03:52<makito>then you probably don't remember if the first email you sent out was marked as spam or not.
03:52<makito>I wonder if it just gets better over time as you were saying
03:54<virtual>I know to some users at gmail my email can be marked as spam, but sometimes it's not. Then again, I get a whole bunch of false negatives at gmail too.
03:54<virtual>So it's not like their spam system is infallible anyhow.
03:55<kyhwana>w/w 23
03:56<virtual>oops, I meant false positives.
03:57<makito>for sending bulk, services like Mandrill , sendgrid, and mailchimp seem popular. I wonder how they make it so reliable.
03:57<virtual>Part of it is arrangements with receivers.
03:57<virtual>Mandrill is mailchimp anyhow, isn't it?
03:58<makito>yes my bad
03:58<makito>i meant to say mailgun
03:58<makito>mailchimp and mandrill are two different services under the same umbrella
03:58<virtual>ah, okay.
03:59<virtual>hmm, this might actually help:
03:59<virtual>Does your mail go into a spam folder, or simply not accepted?
03:59<makito>So there is no way to ever get it as reliable as that? I mean without using those services?
03:59<makito>spam folder
04:00<virtual>potentially, yes. :/
04:00<virtual>Some here would just say 'use a public email service', like google apps, etc.
04:00<virtual>But I don't think even those are completely immne
04:00<virtual>immune too
04:01<virtual>I think that junk mail reporting system might be good to sign up to. If you already have a account that shouldn't be an issue.
04:01<virtual>I don't know if I do :)
04:04<makito>What is a junk mail reporting system?
04:04<makito>great article btw
04:04<makito>very informative. i am running antivirus so it could be an issue as it says in the article
04:04<virtual>dunno - I just got a link to it in that last page. "Are you sending emails from new IPs", in the last line, there's a link.
04:05<makito>I see it can never be as good as those services? That's unfortunate, but I thought so. Otherwise why would people pay for such a service.
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04:06<makito>oh I see it
04:08<makito>I feel like I'm doing everything I need to be doing
04:08<virtual>You probably are.
04:08<makito>but I agree with you that the spam filters can be dodgy
04:09<makito>the only thing I'm not doing is DKIM which doesn't seem like it matters all that much.
04:09<makito>I'm sending up my headers nicely too. What client do you use to send email?
04:09<makito>setting up*
04:09<virtual>All sorts. currently mostly 'mailmate'.
04:10<virtual>I should do a quick count of up of all successful and failed dkim, and see the percentage on my own server.
04:10<virtual>The failing ones are actually valid senders with broken records. Not spam.
04:11<makito>I understand
04:11<makito>broken DKIM?
04:12<makito>This set up seems simple
04:12<virtual>yeah, e.g. [invalid - syntax error in public key record]
04:12<makito>but it doesn't mention opendkim
04:12<virtual>According to exim.
04:12<makito>I wonder if it's required
04:12<makito>I see
04:12<makito>You use exim?
04:12<virtual>Well, you'd have to do something on your MTA I think?
04:12<makito>nice dude
04:12<makito>that's what I was thinking
04:12<virtual>I do, but only because I knew people who were better than me using it. :)
04:12<makito>which is probably where opendkim comes into play
04:12<virtual>I know you can do some dkim stuff on your client, but that doesn't seem to be the norm.
04:13<virtual>no idea what client would support it either.
04:13<makito>I see
04:14<makito>well I was just thinking about setting up a txt record
04:14<makito>as linode mentions
04:14<makito>is Exim a better MTA?
04:14<virtual>I'm pretty sure there's a bunch more than just a record ;)
04:14<makito>that's what i was thinking
04:14<makito>it's not as easy as spf lol
04:14<virtual>"Better" is a matter of opinion. IT does what I want it to do, but I also made postfix and before that, qmail, and even before that, sendmail.
04:15<virtual>+ do what I want it to do
04:15<virtual>Just a few virtual domains, etc.
04:15<makito>nice so it's all really just in the config
04:15<virtual>For sure. Smart people can make any solution work. :)
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04:45<eoghanj>anyone here use drupal?
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06:24<Sumit>I need immediate support from Linode
06:25<kyhwana>Sumit: around what?
06:25<kyhwana>If it's linode's end related, open a ticket. If it's something on your linode (linux configuration, etc) it's your problem
06:26<Sumit>my account balance is 0 although only 3 machines were open
06:26<Sumit>This is weird
06:26<kyhwana>Sumit: what do you mean? How much credit did you have vs how many linodes did you have running?
06:26<AlexC_>Linode do cost money, you know?
06:26<kyhwana>The invoice should say what they invoiced you for
06:27<Sumit>But this is totally different than amount prescribed by sales team
06:27<Sumit>and price list given on the Linode site
06:28<kyhwana>How so?
06:28<kyhwana>how many linodes did you have active for how long? (and by active, that means shutdown as well as powered on)
06:29<Sumit>Acc to this plan, if we open this type machine then .72$ should be charge per hour
06:29<Sumit>Linode 48GB 48 GB 16 Cores 1152 GB SSD 20 TB 40 Gbps 6000 Mbps $.72 / hr ($480 / mo)
06:30<kyhwana>So when did you create it?
06:31<Sumit>Initially I opened 4 machines for testing of each US location and amount was charged accurately
06:31<kyhwana>And did you destroy the linodes after you were done and not just shut them down without deleting them?
06:31<Sumit>but later on I made the power off of all 4 machines and opened duplicate of 8 more machines
06:31<kyhwana>Sumit: That's why then
06:31<kyhwana>You're charged for linodes even when they're powered down
06:32<Sumit>As we wish to keep the static IPs
06:32<kyhwana>Right, so you're still "using" them, so you're still charged for them (including the disk space, etc)
06:32<kyhwana>So the amounted billed was accurate
06:33<Sumit>why so...if machines are powered off then there shouldn't be any charge only image backup/static IP should only be charge
06:33<kyhwana>See on the pricing page under "How does billing work? / If my linode is powered off, will I be billed"
06:33<Sumit>Linode is not only first service provider, we are using
06:33<kyhwana>No, there's no seperate charge.
06:34<Sumit>We are using many US vendors and this is height of the charges
06:34<kyhwana>Good for you
06:34<Sumit>I credited $1000 and now account balance is 0
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06:34<avenj>math \o/
06:34<kyhwana>Given that 48GB linodes are $480/month, then yes, that seems accurate
06:34<Sumit>In this manner, nobody will use Linode
06:35*avenj looks around
06:35<kyhwana>Correct, it's silly to leave linode's powered off
06:35<Meyer^>And if you would like to keep the IP for some reason resize to the smallest one
06:35<kyhwana>You delete them, then spin up new ones as needed using puppet/chef/the API and/or clone them/use the images
06:36<kyhwana>Or use DNS with short TTLs. That's what DNS is for
06:36<Sumit>That would be complex process
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06:37<Meyer^>Sumit: Well, if you have that need then Linode might not be the right provider for you.
06:37<Sumit>We do not requiresmallest machine
06:37<kyhwana>maybe, maybe not. If you do it properly and use a configuration management tool like puppet/etc, it's pretty easy
06:37<Sumit>Ofcourse not
06:38<Sumit>Why amount charge is not same for sample pricing and actual
06:38<kyhwana>there's no "sample pricing"
06:38<Meyer^>Sumit: Linodes are charged the same amount powered on or off as the capacity is reserved for your use. If you have a need of having servers shut down for long periods and to keep the ip's associated with them then Linode is not the right provider. Atleast if you do not want to pay when the servers are powered off
06:39<Sumit>When I used sample machines then amount was not charge in this manner and I got to know that Linode will fulfill our requirement and credited bigger amount and charged in wrong manner
06:39<arlen>then open a ticket
06:39<Sumit>I truly agree Linode is not a good provider for us
06:39<kyhwana>what "sample machines"?
06:40<AlexC_>There is no such thing
06:40<Meyer^>Sumit: Who has told you that Linodes are not charged when powered off?
06:40<AlexC_>You've been billed correctly, and just did not read how pricing works
06:40<Sumit>I credited $10 to create 2 sample machine to calculate the charge and to find out whether machine fullfill our needs or not
06:40<arlen>doesn't change anything
06:40<arlen>you weren't billed wrong
06:41<kyhwana>You still would have used your credit if the machines were shut down
06:41<AlexC_>No, again - that's a deposit basically. You would still be charged the normal amount for those "sample machines"
06:41<Sumit>Meyer: All providers charge some amount when machines are power off but that much what was charged by Linode
06:41<Meyer^>Sumit: Linode charges the same amount
06:41<Sumit>I cant belive it
06:41<Meyer^>Sumit: Does not matter if they are powered off
06:41<arlen>believe it
06:41<kyhwana>It says that's how it works right on the pricing page
06:41<Sumit>We are using this facility from many vendors but this is too much
06:42<Meyer^>Sumit: Well. You are free to not believe me but that is a fact and it is clearly specified on the pricing page
06:42<Meyer^>Sumit: "If my Linode is powered off, will I be billed? Yes. We maintain your saved data and reserve your ability to use other resources like RAM, transfer, etc. even when your Linode is powered off. You will be billed for any other active Linode service, such as Longview Pro or an extra IP, as well."
06:43<Meyer^>Sumit: <- Read the section "How does billing work?"
06:43<Sumit>I am reading but nothing is mentioned in terms of what amount would be charge If my Linode is powered off, will I be billed?
06:43<Sumit>that is too much of amount
06:44<Meyer^>Sumit: yes?
06:44<arlen>it says you will
06:44<Meyer^>Sumit: It clearly states you will be billed even if your Linode is powered off
06:44<Sumit>but what would be the charge
06:45<arlen>the normal price obviously
06:45<Meyer^>Sumit: The charge of the size of Linode you have selected
06:45<Sumit>if machine is power off then what would be the charge
06:45<kyhwana>exactly the same price as if it's powered on
06:45<Meyer^>Sumit: Same charge as when its powered on
06:45<Sumit>then what is the diff b/w power on or off
06:45<Meyer^>Sumit: No difference at all
06:45<Sumit>what is the need to make the power it off
06:45<Sumit>This is called cheating
06:45<Sumit>and fraud
06:45<Meyer^>Sumit: No it is not.
06:46<Sumit>power off option is given but charge will remain same
06:46<Meyer^>Sumit: It is clearly stated that Linode charges for capacity reserved for you. Not wether you have the capacity powered on or off
06:46<AlexC_>Haha, fraud. Love it
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06:47<arlen>not linodes fault you can't read
06:49<eoghanj>probably should maybe submit a ticket, ye know
06:49<kyhwana>eoghanj: then he can troll linode support "but I didn't know i'd be charged for that!"
06:50<eoghanj>a definitive TS answer though
06:50<eoghanj>since he aint listening here
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06:54<sandeep>so what provider was he using that had a 'powered off' pricing tier
06:54<internat>probably something like AWS, where you just pay for the disk stored
06:55<eoghanj>i got a question
06:55<eoghanj>does anyone here use drupal?
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07:03<AlexC_>eoghanj: I'm sure you can answer that question yourself?
07:05<eoghanj>as in... yes?
07:05<eoghanj>or i guess no
07:06<Lenin>I am coming fromindia.
07:06<Lenin>i have one magento ecommerce site.
07:07<internat>oh i hate it when im irc'ing internationally, and have to pay extra fees :P
07:07<Lenin>i like join lenode family.
07:07*eoghanj gets referral code
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07:09<AlexC_>eoghanj: What I'm implying is that's a rather silly question. Of course someone in this channel is using Drupal, so what's your real question?
07:10<eoghanj>alright sorry
07:10<eoghanj>i know its a CMS
07:10<eoghanj>if i have an existing site (just html templates), is it easy to "impiort" in drupal to allow someone to edit etc
07:10<Meyer^>eoghanj: I use Drupal.
07:11<AlexC_>eoghanj: You'd have to create the site using Drupal
07:11<eoghanj>ok thanks
07:11<Meyer^>eoghanj: And as AlexC_ says, you have to create the site using Drupal
07:12<eoghanj>does it allow yo u import templates, css?
07:12<AlexC_>Define templates?
07:12<Meyer^>you can of course reuse your css, images, texts and so on but there is no "import this html/css and make it look the same" feature
07:12<AlexC_>As above
07:12<eoghanj>oh ok
07:13<eoghanj>i guess installing it and playing around is the thing to do
07:13<Meyer^>eoghanj: Yes
07:13<eoghanj>thanks guys
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09:41<sagar>I need help to setup my wordpress
09:41<sagar>on linode
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09:45*AlexC_ flips all the tables
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09:55<Esteban_>We are very worried due to we are in the black list for a server problem
09:55<Esteban_>We need your help urgently
09:55<Esteban_>our website is and we have 3 servers with Linode
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10:00<@ccravens>Whoops, he left. :(
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10:04<mahendra>Is there a way to find out monthly cost based on Site visitors ? cause I am confusing about the billing
10:04<@ccravens>mahendra: It's hard to predict because there are so many variables.
10:05<mahendra>So, there is no control on billing !!!
10:05<arlen>start with the smallest package and upgrade if needed
10:06<@ccravens>Linode's bandwidth allotment for the smallest linode is fairly large... you have to have a pretty popular site or be pushing lots of data per hit in order to come close to using it.
10:07<mahendra>Right now I am with Knownhost. I though linode prices seems to be attractive
10:08<mahendra>My current billing is around USD $37 and site visitors are monthly 50-70K so, I feels USD $10 plan is okay for my site.
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11:04<louie171>hi I'm thinking of getting a monthly server (Linode 1GB)
11:05<louie171>do you get full root access with this ?
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11:07<relidy>louie171: Yes, you have root access to the server.
11:08<louie171>I'm asking because i need to alter mysql and apache
11:08<louie171>I need to compile functions and add them to mysql
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11:08<relidy>louie171: It's just a Linux machine. You do whatever you want on top of that.
11:09<louie171>eg i need to compile a spellchecker function ( from c source in binary, then drop binary in include library and register it in mysql )
11:09<louie171>is that kind of thing possible ( I've done on another server)
11:10<jasonm>louie171: It's a linux machine, you have full access to anything software within it
11:11<louie171>ok good thanks
11:11<jasonm>software wise I meant
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12:49<Cromulent>heh I sent a message to my bank saying that their SSL security settings sucked and they replied with a generic message saying they are sorry about the problems I am experiencing with my account
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12:57<nate>I sent an email to rockstar outlining weaknesses and clear-text password disclosures over their social club changes and pretty much got the same kind of response, I do wonder if they'll reply at all :P
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13:38<dzho>"ITYM my *former* account"
13:43<nate>That'd be pretty -bad- mojo for a bank to close an account over
13:43<nate>lawsuit bad-mojo
13:43<nate>(at least in the US)
13:45<dzho>nate: I'm not sure I follow your wording in that first line.
13:46<dzho>my suggestion is that the customer close the account, not that the bank has.
13:46<dzho>but maybe I missed something from much earlier
13:50<Cromulent>dzho: problem is most banks suck - at least this one uses 2FA
13:50*dzho nods
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13:51<nate>dzho: Ah, thought you were implying the bank was going to close his account for complaining :P
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14:23<chris>Anyone seeing internal networking issues in newark?
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15:15<ke7zum>Good afternoon to all. I am having an issue. I followed this set of instructions for the hosting of a file server. but I don't want to install a data base, or wordpress, or php or anything all I want is to set up a file server where I can give people link to something that will be up temporarily.
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15:16<ke7zum>I have everything right, but the test file I have appears as a 404 even though I uploaded it to /var/www/ I tried to set up name based hosts but that did not appear to work. Here is a link to the test file. if I did that right it should start to download or play depending on your browser. but no joy. The address with out the file shows the apache default page sayi
15:17<ke7zum>so it is started and sort of working. but not really. any advice on how to fix? I'm headed in the right direction.
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15:26<SlosHeD>did you define the root folder in your apache config?
15:27<ke7zum>You know? I can't remember. I was setting this up on 3 hours of sleep.
15:27<ke7zum>Let me take a look right quick.
15:27<jasonm>Seeing the config file would be helpful
15:32<ke7zum>Oops? no it appears I didn't. Since I uploaded my files to /var/www/ is that where the root woudl be? or am I making this wayharder then it shoudl be? I tsays server root is /etc/apache2
15:34<relidy>ke7zum: Your DocumentRoot should be where you placed your files (/var/www/
15:36<ke7zum>to clarify it's the section called webroot correct?
15:36<ke7zum>I'd say I did pretty well yesterday when I set this up under no sleep. Hehahaa.
15:45<ke7zum>That helped, but I could not find it in my apache2.conf file. and i don't remember seeing it in my sites-available folder either. what file do I need to edit again?
15:46<ke7zum>or was it the webroot thing. Probably not, since if I want several configs going to different places and if i have different domains, yeah.
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15:51<ke7zum>Ok, I found the line of code, problem, it's already set up. DocumentRoot /var/www/
15:53<relidy>ke7zum: It looks like the DocumentRoot is set to a folder higher up than the public_html directory. If you load your site without the file name, you'll see that it's showing you the contents of whatever folder has the directory.
15:54<relidy>ke7zum: It's probably just set to /var/www right now based on the directory structure you've outlined.
15:56<relidy>ke7zum: Don't forget to restart the Apache service after you make any changes to have them show up.
15:56<ke7zum> It is set to public_html. DocumentRoot /var/www/ or do I need to add the trailing slash? #
15:56<relidy>ke7zum: You shouldn't need the trailing slash.
15:56<ke7zum>Oops? sorry about the extra # there. that was not suposed to be in my pasted line.
15:57<ke7zum>I never changed that line. thats been there since I created the vertual hostfile according to the document instructions.
15:58<ke7zum>so now that my root is set right, or I think it has been, why is that file dead linking?
15:58<relidy>Have you restarted Apache recently? # sudo service apache2 restart
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16:00<ke7zum>Yeah, yesterday before I crashed.
16:01<gparent>did you reload/restart apache after making the chances
16:02<ke7zum>Here was the output of the file. Starting web server: apache2apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using for ServerName [Tue Apr 14 18:10:40 2015] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:80 has no VirtualHosts . ok
16:02<relidy>ke7zum: The only other thing I can suggest is checking what files and folders you have inside of /var/www/ Do you perhaps have another folder called
16:03<ke7zum>No, that's the only one. The domain works as I have my icecast there the only thing different is I changed the port on apache2 from 80 to 1000 as 80 is in use by my icecast. that should not make a difference though according to what I've been told.
16:05<relidy>ke7zum: Apache is definitely running on port 1000, so that's not the problem.
16:06<relidy>ke7zum: The short answer here to just make things work is to use this URL instead of the one you were trying:
16:06<ke7zum>Hmm. Yeah I don't think there's anothe rfolder called If I run the web address with just the port it brings up the default page but any files under public_html brake.
16:06<relidy>ke7zum: As you can see, there are some extra folders in the path, so there's still something configured wrong, but if you aren't picky about the address, that will at least get you moving.
16:07<ke7zum>OOO that's a mess. How can I fix that?
16:08<ke7zum>I think I did my mkdir thing right /var/www/
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16:08<relidy>That looks correct. Is your MP3 sitting in that directory, or somewhere deeper?
16:09<ke7zum>No it's at public_html
16:09<laser`>ke7zum: What does the VirtualHost line say in your thing? Does it look like <VirtualHost *:1000> ?
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16:10<laser`>Do you have a line like ServerName in the VirtualHost block?
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16:10<relidy>laser`: Ooh, good catch. I bet that's the issue since /var/www is probably the default DocumentRoot
16:11<ke7zum>actually I kept the name in the ports.conf but changed the listening port so it says <VirtualHost *:80>
16:11<ke7zum>but it is still pointing to port 1000 I did not want to change the name of that in port.conf
16:12<laser`>Well, if you edit the one that says :80, you're only editing the config for the port 80 version
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16:12<laser`>If you it to work on :1000 you need to edit an equivalent. Also, make sure you have a NameVirtualHost *:1000 line somewhere
16:12<laser`>Why do you want it on port 1000, anyway?
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16:15<ke7zum>I changed the listen port to 1000 though
16:15<ke7zum>Here's the code. NameVirtualHost *:80 Listen 1000
16:17<ke7zum>port 80 is beeing used for somethingn else. It's a long convoluted thing i don't want to go in to at this point in time.
16:17<Yaazkal>Hello, the last hour I'm getting messages from lfd about "distributed sshd attack on account [root]"
16:17<Yaazkal>any advice?
16:18<gparent>Make sure you're using a strong password for root, preferably disable password authentication or ssh login to root directly.
16:18<ke7zum> should that work?
16:18<ke7zum>Of corse I plan to restart apache2 to make sure the changes are saved. that goes with out saying.
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16:19<relidy>ke7zum: I think your NameVirtualHost statement needs to include the correct port like laser` mentioned: <VirtualHost *:1000>.
16:19<ke7zum>Yeah it is worth a try.
16:19<Yaazkal>gparent, thanks (strong password is ok), guess it's time to change the authentication method and disable ssh over 22 port
16:19<laser`>Change NameVirtualHost to *:1000 and <VirtualHost :1000> in your server block
16:19<laser`>If you want your site on 1000
16:20<laser`>otherwise you're telling it to be on 80
16:20<akerl>Yaazkal: changing the port does not increase security
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16:20<Yaazkal>gparent, by the way, the issue that I mentioned yesterday was solved
16:21<Yaazkal>akerl, thanks, but disabling password authentication and making authentication trough a key is the way, right?
16:22<akerl>Having a strong password or key would be the first factor. It's easier to have a strong key than a strong password, but really either works
16:22<akerl>If you want to up security from there, add a 2nd factor (TOTP is common), or restrict access by putting SSH inside a VPN or some other network layer
16:23<gparent>I ssh over frame relay exclusively
16:25<Yaazkal>akerl, gparent, ok, thanks for the advice!
16:25<ke7zum>Well, looks like it still failed, maybe. apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using for ServerName [Wed Apr 15 13:22:51 2015] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:1000 has no VirtualHosts apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using for ServerName [Wed Apr 15 13:22:52 2015] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:1000 has no VirtualHosts
16:25<ke7zum>which is the same message I got for the default name that was there.
16:25<gparent>what do you mean maybe
16:25<gparent>try downloading the filke?
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16:30<ke7zum>Nope the file still brakes. gives me a 404
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16:39<@alexf>ke7zum: I see why
16:40<@alexf>your virtual host seems to be using /var/www as the root directory, which makes the path to the file
16:43<@alexf>ke7zum: fix the DocumentRoot variable in your virtualhost file
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16:50<mike__>there isn't a way to add an *additional* disk to a linode, right? you fit with whatever linode size you buy.
16:51*drussell nods
16:51<@drussell>Correct, mike__
16:51<mike__>damn. i am trying to use containers to split up a larger instance, because i have low memory but high disk space needs for one system, higher memory/cpu for another, etc.. :p
16:52<mike__>and it all works, pretty well, except i have some sort of weird issue on one of the lxc instances. only one. funky.
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16:59<ke7zum> I made sure of that yesterday.
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17:21<ke7zum>so now I'm vertually stumpped. about how to fix this issue.
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17:33<nate>fix what issue?
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17:36<@alexf>ke7zum: you haven't done what I sugegsted yet
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18:20<ke7zum>Ok, let's try again. Lol! I did make sure the webroot thign is set to /var/www/ in all of the places that needed to be changed.
18:21<ke7zum>I even checked the under sites-available folder and it is set there correctly as well.
18:22<@caker>apache2ctl -S will show you what Apache thinks you mean
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18:45<ke7zum>Nope that command barfed. with an invalid argyment. I'll try gain but in the mean time here is hwhat the error log says. [Tue Apr 14 17:57:08 2015] [notice] caught SIGTERM, shutting down [Tue Apr 14 17:57:09 2015] [notice] Apache/2.2.22 (Debian) configured -- resumi$
18:47<ke7zum>got the output of the command . Here. It looks to be the same as when I restarted apache2. apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using for ServerName [Wed Apr 15 15:46:11 2015] [warn] NameVirtualHost *:1000 has no VirtualHosts VirtualHost configuration: Syntax OK
18:50<akerl>That sounds like your NameVIrtualHost and VirtualHost lines don't match
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18:50<akerl>They ought to be the same
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18:53<relidy>ke7zum: You want something that looks similar to: (You'll probably want to add directives telling it where to store access and error logs as well)
18:54<josh>Question about php mail on linode - what amount of mail can I do as part of my application - i have a 1400 email list that I send to once a month -
18:54<josh>will I be able to set a crom and send out 75 emails every 15 min
18:54<akerl>josh: Depends where you got the email adresses to email to
18:55<josh>professional medical society - all members - or attendees of our conference - managed in CIVIcrm
18:56<akerl>So, I attend your conference, and when I give you my contact email , you add it to this list?
18:56<Cromulent>double opt-in is the way to go with mailing lists
18:57<ke7zum>Oops? let's try that again. Sorry about that. My bad.
18:57<Cromulent>heh people still use ftp?
18:57<josh>As part of the registration you agree that we can communicate to you to get information to you. All mailings have opt out
18:57<akerl>josh: basically, if everybody you're emailing explicitly agreed to receive your emails and you confirmed they owned the email address they used, you can send infinite emails. If you didn't, the number is essentially 0
18:58<akerl>Putting it in the fine print of some agreemen tthat I have to sign to get in the door is a great way to get your emails routed to spam and your IP blacklisted
18:59<josh>It is not in the fine print - it is a speciality medical society - just want to understand what linode had as mailing limits and respect them
19:00<psandin>Linode's limits are don't generate complaints, failing that don't expect mercy
19:00<ke7zum>yeah I miscoppied the path. I have like a lot of windows open here. but all is well now. the right web address has been given. I will get this fixed
19:01<storrgie>Is there an article about optimizing (for memory) mariadb for the smaller vps?
19:01<Cromulent>josh: you can send as much email as you like as long as it isn't complained about / IP address blacklisted / abuse emails to Linode
19:01<josh>I am one of the first members of MAAWG and for medical societies I do work I make sure they adhere to good email practice
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19:02<josh>Thanks - will keep traffic low and complaints non existent.
19:02<makito>Does all your sent email bypass spam filters?
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19:05<josh>that is a moving target - in general as it is individual and not much HTML the answer is mostly yes - it helps to have SPF set up correctly .. I have worked with Cloudaccess and ElectricEmbers for other groups that I work with and very rarely does a message not end up in the inbox
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19:06<makito>Even when you send to gmail and hotmail? How should I set my spf record? I feel like it's set up correctly
19:06<akerl>I did find out something interesting recently. Apparently GMail does this thing where they try to parse unsubscribe links in emails
19:07<akerl>so if you hit "THis is spam" and they can find a link, they try to hit the link rather than just +1ing the sender's badness score
19:08<makito>oh very nice
19:08<josh>I used to run product management for a company that host 10 million email boxes - so I understand a little bit about email - that was 5 years ago -
19:08<Cromulent>josh: you really want SPF, DKIM and DMARC
19:08<makito>I see. Did you use a client to send out email?
19:09<makito>I have an spf record, but the sent email is currently going to spam. I wonder if it's cause the client I'm using (or lack there of)
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19:12<makito>Would a client play a roll?
19:15<Cromulent>makito: no SPF records are checked by the receiving SMTP server
19:16<ctpdump>try this:
19:16<Cromulent>makito: yes
19:16<ctpdump>it gives you a temporary email, send a test email to it and it shows a bunch of tests (dkim, spf, etc)
19:16<nate>storrgie: Late reply but look into mysqltuner
19:16<makito>some say spf record improves the chances of email getting through the spam filter
19:16<makito>thanks ctpdump
19:16<Cromulent>makito: but SPF is the minimum you need nowadays
19:17<makito>I am reading this
19:17<Cromulent>makito: set up DKIM and DMARC as well
19:17<makito>I see
19:17<makito>Is DKIM important? How can I set up DKIM? Can you point me to a good resource for DKIM
19:17<makito>I will try to find a guide on DMARC
19:17<Cromulent>makito: what SMTP server are you using?
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19:22<makito>Do you think this will ensure sent email will get through the spam filter? I already have an spf record and reverse dns
19:23<Cromulent>makito: from what I have heard if you want to maximise your chances of email getting through implement SPF, DKIM, DMARC and send plain text emails
19:24<makito>kk thanks
19:24<Cromulent>but then I hate HTML emails with a passion so that might just be my bias
19:24<makito>I am going to do all that and use the tool ctpdump linked
19:24<storrgie>on a 1024 linode, should you have nginx only using 1 thread?
19:24<makito>All your help is greatly appreciated
19:26<Cromulent>storrgie: since nginx isn't threaded I assume you mean workers? 2 should be fine
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19:36<storrgie>I meant workers yeah, as expected if I cat /proc/cpuinfo I see a single cpu. Should I just change to 1 then?
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19:39<storrgie>I'm going to use 1, seems like others do the same
19:45<Peng>I always use "auto"
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19:45<Peng>which is your cpu #, 1
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19:54<SlosHeD>i have a lurker on my irc server
19:54<storrgie>Peng, you can use auto; there?
19:57<gparent>I hope so, otherwise peng has been unable to configure his web server forever.
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20:01<+linbot>New news from forum: How to compile new kernel in order to turn on SELinux in General Discussion <>
20:01<nate>ew, who would want to turn -on- SELinux
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20:03<makito>My spam assassin score is 0, and yet hotmail is still marking my email as spam for some odd reason. I have both spf and reverse dns working
20:04<makito>Although I do not have DKIM ready, which is something I'm about to do. But will DKIM really make that much of a difference?
20:04<makito>I feel like I'm already doing everything I need to
20:05<kyhwana>makito: it maybe. Have you checked your IP in the thingy lists?
20:05<xar>I keep selinux on, because it's powerful as f. you'd be foolish to keep it disabled.
20:06<kyhwana>xar: well, you can just disable it
20:06<nate>xar: Can't tell if sarcastic or serious
20:06<nate>makito: If hotmail had already been previously making your emails as spam, it might take some time for them to consider you not-spam
20:07<makito>I understand
20:07<makito>It is a new mail server
20:07<makito>is this why? I'm not blacklisted
20:08<nate>makito: Spam isn't always held against a -server-, it's primarily held against either an email address fully or a domain itself if it's not an email provider
20:08<makito>Will DKIM and DMARC fix it? I haven't gotten to it yet, but I'm probably going to set it up. I just hope it makes a difference
20:08<makito>I understand
20:08<Cromulent>xar: you better have your own compiled kernel then because the linode supplied kernel doesn't support SELinux
20:09<makito>I mean the domain, address, and server is new. By mail server I meant the entire package
20:09<makito>well the domain is not very new, but it is new for sending emails
20:09<makito>are new*
20:10<Cromulent>makito: check the IP address against blacklists
20:10<Cromulent>makito: you never know the IP address might have been blocked before you ever got it
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20:13<makito>kk Cromulent. Thanks fro your help. I haven't even set up DKIM and DMARC yet so that could fix it. So far I just fixed the spamassassin score with the tool the other friend sent me.
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20:14<Cromulent>makito: most spam filters check the content of email messages as well - if you have lots of spammy words in your emails that can cause it to hit the spam filter as well
20:14<makito>I see. Well SpamAssassin gave it a score of 0. I think it checks the email conetnt
20:14<makito>my test email is shorrt
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20:15<makito>All it says is "Hey, how's it going?"
20:15<Cromulent>makito: some people try and get around it by putting the words in images in HTML emails but people like Google take that into account and mark down HTML email for that very reason
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20:15<makito>I see. At the moment, my content type is only text/plain
20:15<makito>so I'm just sending words
20:16<Cromulent>people who use command line email clients will love you if you only send plain text emails
20:16<makito>It could just be the DKIM and DMARC
20:16<makito>lol for sure.
20:17<akerl>Why not actually look at the headers /logs to see why it's getting considered spam
20:18<akerl>Seems way more efficient than just guessing at shit
20:18<makito>How can I do this?
20:18<akerl>GO to gmail inbox -> select email -> look at headers. Go to server -> open log file -> read
20:18<makito>I used this tool
20:19<storrgie>I've just set up nginx and php-fpm but I'm not getting my index.php test file to run (returning a blank page) how would I begin to debug that? I've checked nginx logs and /var/log/upstart/php5-fpm logs, nothing is erroring out...
20:19<makito>Is there a way to do that on hotmail?
20:19<akerl>storrgie: Pastebin your nginx configs?
20:19<akerl>makito: read the eamil? I hope so
20:19<makito>No read the log file
20:19<akerl>If hotmail doesn't let you read emails that you receive, their service has degraded considerably
20:19<akerl>the log file is on your server
20:20<makito>I thought you just gmail inbox
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20:20<makito>oh okay
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20:21<makito>will the log file tell why it was marked as spam?
20:21<storrgie>akerl, with fedora there is the fpaste utility to pipe your text files to, is there an equivalent on ubnut?
20:21<akerl>there's like 100 command line -> pastebin things
20:22<akerl> is nice
20:23<storrgie>akerl, i'm asking because its more lines and I have to scroll/copy, is there a way to cat a file to the clipboard?
20:23<storrgie>im in fedora, gnome
20:24<akerl>Like I said, the gist gem is nice
20:24<storrgie>oh sorry, I didn't see you linking to a gem, I thought you were saying gist itself is nice
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20:27<storrgie>akerl, and by default php5-fpm is configured to listen on a socket in ubuntu 14.04
20:28<akerl>Is that file actually linked in /etc/nginx/sites-enabled?
20:29<makito>akerl: the servers log doesn't tell you why the message has been marked as spam lol.
20:29<storrgie>akerl, yeah it is
20:29<makito>it doesn't even say if the message has been marked as spam at all
20:29<storrgie>its the default file that comes with the package
20:30<storrgie>I added an index.php with the call to in there
20:30<storrgie>akerl, the folks in #nginx seem to think this could be getting me:
20:30<storrgie>akerl, I am using the official nginx ppa in ubuntu 14.04
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20:32<akerl>storrgie: what's the site?
20:32<storrgie>pm'ed you
20:32<akerl>I don't do private support
20:33<storrgie>I pm'ed you the site
20:33<storrgie>I can post it here if you'd like, I just figured I wouldn't open myself up to that
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20:37<storrgie>akerl, I figured it out with the help of the #nginx folks
20:37<storrgie>but you might see more people with this issue
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20:38<storrgie>it appears that the new packging for debian/ubuntu of nginx has 'fixed' up how they handle the fastcgi_params
20:38<storrgie>where before you would reference it as: include fastcgi_params; you now need to reference as include fastcgi.conf;
20:43<gparent>I suppose this shows up if you test your config with nginx -t ?
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20:47<storrgie>gparent, theres a config test?
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20:53<gparent>storrgie: >
20:57<storrgie>gparent, this seems like a mess:
20:58<gparent>Looks like some fun things to fix
20:59<storrgie>nvm, I was running as non root
20:59<gparent>ah yes, didn't look at the prompt
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21:21<Aza>hi guys
21:21<Aza>is linode able to offer an adtional network adapter on services?
21:21<Peng>Why? What would this network adapter do?
21:22<Peng>You can get additional IPs (justification required for public IPv4 IPs) but they're all attached to eth0.
21:22<nate>I'm guessing they want to double their traffic capacity without getting an extra linode
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21:23<Aza>no no it's just an application I want to setup that requires two interfaces
21:23<Aza>I wouldn't care if it has a loopback adapter or another external
21:23<Aza>doesn't need to pass traffic through it
21:24<gparent>it might help if you describe the program/problem
21:24<Aza>ok give me a moment
21:25<Peng>You have root, so I suppose you can set up a fake adapter.
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21:28<Aza>basically I need to setup something similar to a firewall/ spam filtering, the application I want to use requires two network interfaces (one wan, one internal) once i get this setup I would like to setup a mini hosted email server that would recive emails from the spam filter and push/pull via the internal interface (if possible) I already have it setup here, but I would like to host it with you guys
21:29<Peng>THat's totally bizarre, right?
21:30<virtual>So you could just make the mini hosted email server listen only on if I'm following you right.
21:31<virtual>That's pretty internal. :P
21:32<Aza>Step one I want to setup the spam filtering/ firewall (needs to network adapters)
21:32<Aza>step two get the hosted mailserver working
21:33<Aza>loopback would be a temp solution
21:33<Peng>Why wouldn't loopback be a permanent solution?
21:34<virtual>Why can't the spam filtering go from real interface to loopback?
21:34<virtual>I say 'real', but everything is virtual here anyway.
21:35<virtual>I also have the same question as Peng.
21:36<Peng>My great huge love is real.
21:37<Aza>loopback can be a permanent solution I guess, but I would like to do some WAF traffic filtering between boxes too
21:37<virtual>"between boxes". Different linodes?
21:38<virtual>If so, you can have 'private' network interfaces (and IPs) on Linodes too. But they're only useful if you have two or more servers.
21:41<Aza>thats the plan virtual
21:43<virtual>Until then, loopback really isn't a bad solution. It could even be permanent if your solution can scale with that setup.
21:47<Aza>can this be setup? with linode vms?
21:48<Peng>Can what be set up?
21:48<Aza>the aditional loop back adapter/ network interface?
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22:03<ctpdump>a bit late but you can always bring up as many interfaces as you want: ifconfig eth0:x (where x can be a number or letter)
22:04<HoopyCat>ctpdump: those aren't interfaces; they're merely labels for addresses attached to existing interfaces
22:04<ctpdump>correct but they may fit the purpose of the app
22:04<ctpdump>alternatively, you can bring up a 'gre' interface which will be treated as a separate interface
22:05<ctpdump>no need to have an endpoint since it's not required anyway
22:05<Peng>Alternately you can not use software that's broken as heck
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22:07<HoopyCat>floating ideas past #linode:
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22:10<Abdurrahman>anyone here from support?
22:10<Abdurrahman>I want to check something regarding VPS plan.
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22:16<virtual>Abdurrahman: might be better to just ask your question - someone in the community might know the answer too.
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22:16<virtual>HoopyCat: haha, that video was great.
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23:12<virtual>hey makito
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23:27<James_T>hmm, DO beat linode to frankfurt? :P
23:27<James_T>and SG...
23:27<virtual>Do they have all their own gear, or do they outsource the infrastructure?
23:28<James_T>they outsource their stuff afaik
23:28<zifnab>its not phisicalization!
23:28<James_T>have to leave here at 6am tomorrow...
23:28<James_T>to get home by 8am
23:28<James_T>woo two hour drive
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23:32<zifnab>sucks to suck
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23:34<gparent>I'm curious why James thinks that
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23:53<@jstitt>Hi guys :)
23:53<arlen>what up
23:53<James_T>Hi :)
23:53*jstitt shakes James_T's hand. Thanks for the kudos!
23:53<dwfreed>jstitt: ohai
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23:54<@jstitt>Bye guys! :)
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23:55<virtual>1 minutes and 40 seconds. We are privileged ;)
23:55<James_T>All to say hi to me!
23:56<virtual>Just makes me jealous of you.
23:56<virtual>Is that what you want, Linode? Huh?
23:56<James_T>hivemind making you jealous
23:56<virtual>btw, I came and went from Sydney earlier in the week. It was nice.
23:56<James_T>i was probably here
23:57<virtual>But the smell of traffic was awful.
23:57<virtual>Heh. I was actully rushed for time in the end, so I didn't try and seek you out, sorry.
23:57<virtual>Next time I'll stalk you better, OK.
23:58<James_T>moving to sydney
23:58<virtual>Statement or a question?
23:58<James_T>i am
23:58<James_T>I'm moving to Sydney, I should say
23:59<virtual>Oh, heh, nice one. Picked an area yet?
23:59<virtual>I have to play the waiting game. It's not a game that I like.
23:59<James_T>Wolli Creek
23:59<James_T>moving in with gf
23:59<virtual>If you were in a tv show, that would be a big deal.
23:59<James_T>two stops from domestic terminal on airport line
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