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00:05<HoopyCat>mikegrb is indeed love
00:06<Nivex>HoopyCat: you love us all with a great huge mikegrb ?
00:06<mikegrb>are you calling me fat
00:06<Nivex>mikegrb: fluffy :)
00:07<mikegrb>uh huh
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05:58<anon>anyone here?
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09:22<drussell>praetorian: Be nice jeez lol
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09:22<praetorian>i'm always nice.
09:22<drussell>uh huh
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09:30<Peng>< praetorian> cjohnson: no
09:30<Peng>< praetorian> no
09:30<Peng>< praetorian> no. you are misrepresenting the price of your product
09:30<Peng>How rude!
09:30<praetorian>now now.
09:30<praetorian>!! how random
09:41<HoopyCat>You are now a moderator of /r/nononono
09:46<halothe23>Hey, i've setup an OpenVPN server on my linode some time ago, works wonderfully, using the tutorial on linode docs. Lately I've been diving into iptables a lot more and been messing around with rules. - Of course the default rules in the tutorial, that are supposed to allow OpenVPN routing on its interfaces were always enabled. - Until I messed around a bit and flushed iptables, and couldnt help but notice that all of my openvpn connections
09:46<halothe23> (even if I restarted etc) still worked, even though the rules that are supposed to route packets were not there.. I'm a bit puzzled by this, so I wonder if any of you know why it would still work, even without iptables rules.
09:47<halothe23>This is the article I used originally:
09:48<drussell>3: 1178.557ms asymm 4
09:48<drussell>the latency is real
09:48<drussell>Thx Verizon
09:50<akerl>halothe23: Did you actually flush the rules that are handling that?
09:51<halothe23>akerl: I ran " iptables -F " after messing about with rules, when I ran -L the rules for openvpn were not there anymore, so I presume it did.
09:51<akerl>So what's the output of `iptables-save`
09:51<drussell>Probably still has the NAT rules or something.
09:52<drussell>I don't think -F flushes NAT rules.
09:52<akerl>Well, -F flushes whatever table you tell it to flush, and if you don't tell it a table, the default is filter
09:52<halothe23>iptables-save seems to have the openvpn rules
09:53<akerl>Yes, because you didn't flush them
09:53<halothe23>Although I never used -save or -restore to manage iptables, its simply in /etc/rc.local
09:53<halothe23>But, my knowledge on that subject is limited, so I may be missing bits.
09:53<akerl>So in /etc/rc.local, you just have lots of `iptables -I blahblah` lines?
09:54<akerl>that seems errorprone and brittle
09:54<drussell>and messy
09:54<akerl>Not to mention mixing in iptables with whatever else is in rc.local, and missing out on all kinds of fun like dependent ordering of services
09:54<halothe23>Its also what your docs suggested, so I just did it originally as it was the "simple" path.
09:55<drussell>Heh. There's a lot of things the docs say that they shouldn't.
09:55<halothe23>Well, if you say that method is not the best, I'll certainly do more research on -save and -restore.
09:55<akerl>But to answer your initial question, the reason things still work is that you flushed the filter table, which did nothing to the nat table where the NATing is happening
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09:56<halothe23>How does one list contents of the nat tables, then?
09:56<akerl>Look up -t in the iptables docs
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09:56*halothe23 starts reading
09:56<erent>lol, I just succeeded in running TCP over DNS
09:57<erent>I'm now in public wifi but I don't pay for IRC :P
09:57<HoopyCat>erent: confirmed, since it took you 8 minutes to reply to drussell's complaint about RTT
09:57<erent>HoopyCat: right, that's uber slow but it's enough for BBS and SSH
09:58<akerl>Or just use iptables-save, which exists to print out a perfect and reproducible copy of the full ruleset. So you can set up the rules how you want them, iptables-save > /a/cool/file, and then instead of that mess in rc.local, just have your system do `iptables-restore < /a/cool/file` at startup
09:58<akerl>Amusingly, most distros have an init script or unit file for that purpose
09:58<HoopyCat>or /c/cool/file if you don't want to remember to put the iptables floppy in the drive
09:59<drussell>lol HoopyCat
09:59<drussell>erent: It is uber slow, but they fixed it. And I don't pay for IRC either o.o Idk anyone who does
10:00<erent>drussell: which version do you use?
10:00<drussell>Version of what..
10:00<drussell>I don't
10:00<drussell>I'm genuinely confused lol
10:00<halothe23>akerl: Just read up. I understand what I missed now. Thanks for clearing that up! :D
10:01<erent>drussell: the thing is that hotspot asks for user/pass, which I don't have, but they allow DNS queries. I'm encapsulating TCP packets over DNS using iodine and it allows me to use this hotspot without user/pass
10:02<akerl>We have a leet hacker in our midst, clearly
10:02<akerl>or just a dick
10:02<akerl>one of those
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10:02<drussell>Yeah, to me that sentence says, "They forgot to deny DNS queries, so I took advantage of their incompetence and now I get free internets"
10:02<erent>akerl: I don't call myelf hackers, it's just a technology I'm experimenting with
10:02<akerl>drussell: You know what they say about free things
10:03<drussell>But idk what Iodine is. I assume it's your IRC client or something lol
10:03<erent>drussell: they cannot deny DNS queries. I would expect them to limit it to only their info page
10:03<drussell>Sounds like you watch too many Richard Stallman videos :p
10:03<halothe23>On that subject - say I wanted to block all access but port 80 and 443, would using states be better or worse then just blocking/allowing the ports on their own?
10:03<akerl>drussell: It's the latest and greatest thing for taking advantage of incompetence to access wifi that the operator does not wish to allow you access to
10:04<HoopyCat>but their wifis are penetrating my body without my consent
10:04<drussell>akerl: Oh I see. I don't use that :P I just create my own wifi hotspot via mobile device; considering most public hotspots aren't secure enough for jack.
10:04<akerl>HoopyCat: Well then you shouldn't dress that way
10:04<erent>HoopyCat: you should sue them for cancer
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10:51<thmo>If you follow the mysql config part - It won't start, is there something wrong with the values?
10:51<akerl>Probably would help if you told us why it won't start
10:54<thmo>i put in the values and that is about it - only thing in the log file is "150927 16:52:49 mysqld_safe mysqld from pid file /var/run/mysqld/ ended"
10:55<akerl>That's the full, entire contents of the log file?
10:55<akerl>nothing else
10:55<thmo>nothing else, it just hangs at that part
10:55<thmo>the restart / start just runs "forever"
10:55<akerl>How are you restarting it
10:56<thmo>sudo service mysql restart
10:56<akerl>What happens if you try to start it manually
10:56<thmo>uhm with service mysql start or?
10:56<akerl>By running the actual mysqld_safe command
10:57<akerl>Run it, put the results in a pastebin
10:57<+linbot>Please paste longer snippets over at and not in the channel
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10:58<thmo>says the command is not found
10:58<akerl>Sounds like it's not in your $PATH
10:58<akerl>Would make sure you're root, if it's still not in your $PATH, you get to go find it
10:59<thmo>it's a completely new linode :/
10:59<akerl>thmo: ok?
11:00<drussell>thmo: `whereis mysqld_safe`, then put the path in your $PATH by doing PATH=$PATH:pathGoesHere
11:00<akerl>or just run it from wherever it is
11:00<drussell>Or that.
11:00<akerl>it doesn't need to stick around for long
11:00<drussell>Should be in /usr/bin, honestly.
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11:05<akerl>So, you ran mysqld_safe, and it printed that out?
11:05<akerl>That seems unlikely
11:05<akerl>That looks like a log file
11:06<akerl>Even so, it also suggests you check another log file for more info
11:11<thmo>seems like the linode guide uses deprecated keywords :(
11:11<akerl>seems unlikely
11:11<thmo>[Warning] Using unique option prefix key_buffer instead of key_buffer_size is deprecated and will be removed in a future release.
11:11<akerl>What distro and version are you following this guide on?
11:12<thmo>Ubuntu 15.xx
11:12<akerl>so, you didn't read the guide
11:12<thmo>uhm yes i did?
11:12<akerl>Worth noting that the message you pasted won't stop mysql from starting, but as per the guide it uses Debian 7 and Ubuntu 14.04 LTS
11:13<drussell>Should be using an LTS version of Ubuntu anyways. Less hassle in 9 months.
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11:14<thmo>didn't really think there would be any hassel in the version difference :/
11:14<thmo>sorry to take your time, doing a LTS install
11:15<akerl>There doesn't appear to be much hassle
11:15<akerl>That warning doesn't stop mysql from starting
11:15<drussell>thmo: The hassle I was referring to is when you have to update to the next version of Ubuntu because it wasn't LTS and it EOLs faster :P
11:16<drussell>No one likes dist-upgrading
11:16<akerl>You appear to have set several options without including whitespace
11:16<thmo>I'm new so i haven't experienced that yet
11:17<drussell>Even akerl doesn't like dist-upgrading :P
11:17<drussell>And if he does, he's insane.
11:17<thmo>[ERROR] /usr/sbin/mysqld: unknown variable 'table_cache=32'
11:17<thmo>that's prob the thing that breaks things
11:23<thmo>changed it to table_open_cache and now it works :)
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11:37<thmo>akerl and drussell thx for the help :)
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11:38<drussell>thmo: Was mostly akerl, I was just taking the piss :p
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12:31<kongwang008>my account status renew
12:31<kongwang008>Your account is currently being reviewed.
12:32<DrJ>kongwang008: you just have to wait it out
12:33<kongwang008>how long
12:33<DrJ>I don't think it typically takes that long
12:33<DrJ>how long you been waiting?
12:33<DrJ>I would think no more than 12 hours or so
12:33<DrJ>probably much less
12:33<kongwang008>thank you
12:34<DrJ>I think its probably because it appears your are using a chinese address
12:34<DrJ>those are probably flagged no matter what
12:34<kongwang008> i'm chinese
12:35<DrJ>nothing wrong with that
12:35<kongwang008>special treatment?
12:35<DrJ>Lots of hacking/abuse comes out of china
12:37<kongwang008>chinese are civil
12:37<kongwang008>I think this is a misunderstanding
12:37<DrJ>Overall I'm sure they are
12:37<DrJ>no misunderstanding, just a precaution
12:38<DrJ>I'm sure you'll be approved... you might have to provide some form of identification though
12:39<kongwang008>so fussy
12:39<kongwang008>i'm only use to learning
12:39<HoopyCat>for an account to be auto-approved, many things have to match, and a lot of stuff is checked with the card-issuing bank. this is often tough to do automatically with foreign banks
12:40<kongwang008>i have already paid
12:43*kongwang008 slaps ajmitch around a bit with a large fishbot
12:43<HoopyCat>not a particularly civil thing to do, that
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12:46<HoopyCat>i fear someone's going to get shot because of that, and then tjfontaine's going to get the chair, and then we'll all have to move to freenode
12:53<HoopyCat>unrelatedly, anyone else immediately suspicious of getting data breach notifications via insecure media? i've got a piece of paper in front of me advising me to go to to take advantage of identity theft protection services
12:57<HoopyCat>domain is less than a month old, uses a different registrar and different nameservers than their "real" domains, there's no HTTPS, the letter does not have any "shared secrets" on it... sigh
13:03<HoopyCat>sadly, i can tell the actual service itself is legit because 1) they're using network solutions as their registrar, indicating that they've got so much money coming in they sorted by price and picked the top; and 2) "Password is too long"
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14:07<dzho>and also, it matches exactly what everyone else in $AREA is getting
14:07<dzho>in terms of warnings and so forth.
14:07<dzho>also, in terms of URLs
14:08<+linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • SSH - following getting started guide - ssh connections refused <>
14:18<HoopyCat>dzho: nod, it all checks out, it's just not as legit as it COULD be :-)
14:25<HoopyCat>ah-ha! with speedy rewards, i buy 135 gallons of motor fuel and i get 1350 points, which can be traded in for a slice of gas station pizza! my stomach is churning awkwardly already
14:25<dzho>that's . . . a lot of motor fuel
14:25<HoopyCat>10 points per gallon, looks like
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14:28<HoopyCat>i'll eyeball our current fuel consumption at 8 gallons per week, so that's 80 points per week, so one slice of gas station pizza per every 17 weeks or so
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14:30<HoopyCat>i mean, look at it... ... that's the reward for nearly four months of fuel, assuming 100% brand loyalty. if only tops had diesel
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14:37<HoopyCat>i could get their branded credit card and use it for my linodes, which would result in an exchange rate of 0.074 slices of gas station pizza per linode base month
14:40<@caker>I wonder how much petroleum goes into the making of 1 slice of pizza - including actual petroleum content, transportation and manfacturing of goods, etc
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14:43<HoopyCat>you thinking there's a way to exploit some sort of feedback loop, eventually creating a perpetual gas station pizza machine?
14:44<HoopyCat>might need to bootstrap it by taking beer bottles to michigan
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14:48<HoopyCat>the figure of merit for a scheme like this is measured in phillips, a little-known SI unit named after David Phillips, the Pudding Guy. less than 1.0 Ph is an unworkable scheme, more than 1.0 Ph is profitable
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15:29<dzho>I'm not saying it's ales, Ian. But it's ales, Ian.
15:29<dzho>(yes, I know Budweiser is ostensibly a pilsner, whatevs)
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15:33<jonny>Is there a way to create an email cluster (
15:34<jonny>For example one SMTP Server (Postfix) one IMAP Server (Dovecot) and one Storage Backend with Database (MySQl)
15:39<HoopyCat>sure, why not? (warning: that's not a high-availability cluster, that's a distributed single-point-of-failure system)
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15:43<Eugene>You'd need 2+ of each layer in order for it to be distributed. This can be done on two machines(don't need to run each layer on a separate server)
15:44<Eugene>Each data layer will need to be replicated/synchronized, eg a clustered FS for Maildir storage and DB replication for that
15:44<Eugene>Oh, he's buggered off
15:44*Eugene talks to himself endlessly
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17:08<+linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • Correction to guide SSL Certificates with Apache on Debian & Ubuntu <>
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18:27<Adam__>Any staff online?
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18:32<Kyhwana>guess not
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19:08<nobi>i want to setup a mailserver
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19:15<schwa>nobi: &
19:21<nobi>hello schwa i m not a expert to manage it
19:21<akerl>I'd strongly recommend not running a mail server
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19:22<nobi>can i buy full manage server on ?
19:22<akerl>Not Really
19:24<Kyhwana>akerl: wait, you can via managed/professional services?
19:24<nobi>professional service
19:25<akerl>Linode Managed provides incident response on a recurring basis, and I suppose in theory if you wanted to continuously file Professional Services requests, get quotes, and then have them more-or-less continuously building/managing things on your system, you could end up with the kind of thing most people would call "managed hosting"
19:26<akerl>But since Professional Services is primarily a one-shot deal, you'd be doing a lot of metawork and paying a lot of money if that's what you were looking for
19:26<nobi>oh sory i need managed hosting
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19:27<akerl>nobi: Again, I'd strongly recommend not looking for managed hosting for the purpose of email
19:27<akerl>Just get an email provider. Google Apps, Fastmail, Office365, whatever
19:28<nobi>i want to send email to use my domain
19:28<Kyhwana>^ what akerl just said
19:28<akerl>Yes, using your own domain is a feature of many email providers
19:30<nobi>i m send email every day 20,000
19:31<Eugene>Ah, this again.
19:31<akerl>That sounds spammy as shit
19:31*Eugene spins the wheel o' spam-justifying
19:31<Eugene>What's the reason today?
19:31<akerl>I sometimes want to watch netflix with spammers
19:32<akerl>We can watch rambo, and they'll be able to relate their targetted advertising to Rambo's targetted use of his belt fed machine gun
19:34<nobi>how can i use my server like as a smtp
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19:35<akerl>nobi: Who are you sending 20,000 emails a day to?
19:36<nobi> he is use linode
19:36<nobi>and send lot's of email
19:37<akerl>You know how some people, when asked a question, go off on a tangent to avoid answering?
19:37<nobi>i m not know him
19:38<nobi>i m use autoresponder
19:38<nobi>this coz i need to setup my mail server
19:39<nobi>perday i m get 2000 email
19:40<akerl>Still curious who you're sending 20,000 emails a day to
19:40<SNy>I have no idea if what you just said makes sense in your native language. In English, it doesnÃ't.
19:41<nobi>they r interested to join my website
19:41<akerl>That seems unlikely
19:41<akerl>20k people a day is 400,000 people a month. Nearly 5 million people a year are interested in joining your site?
19:42<nobi>2k email perday
19:43<nobi>then talk them over email
19:43<akerl>So only 720,000 people a year
19:43<akerl>That's still a lot of people
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19:43<nobi>not every one join
19:43<akerl>How are you getting these 720,000 email addresses a year to email?
19:44<nobi>it's 2k join 100 to 150
19:44<nobi>coz my website is not free
19:44<akerl>So where are you getting 720,000 email addresses a year to send your email to
19:45<nobi>via craigslist
19:46<synapt>so in other words you're illegally obtaining email addresses to spam?
19:46<akerl>you mean you're buying the email addresses from somebody on craigslist?
19:47<nobi>yes i m buying and i m send them also unsubscribe link
19:47<akerl>Yea, piss off
19:47<avenj>I'm with him
19:47<synapt>lol, it's okay, because he includes an unsubscribe link
19:47<synapt>totally makes it better
19:48<nobi>can i get any help on here ?
19:48<akerl>what if... you stopped being a spammer?
19:48<akerl>wouldn't that be nuts
19:49<ponas>sounds like it would undermine the business model :(
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20:33<JamesTK>Am I in the right place
20:33<JamesTK>this certainly doesn't look like Lienode
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20:34<schwa>well yeah, that's next to the Lieberry
20:34<schwa>on Lieberty Street ;)
20:34<JamesTK>Is DigilieOcean nearby?
20:35<schwa>Oh hope not, what with climate change threatening to raise the sea lievel.
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21:10<Peng>I almost said hi to that jerk, too
21:12<dzho>how are darkside folks enjoying the eclipse so far?
21:12<dzho>Peng: that's ok! You can just try again in 2033!
21:13<Peng>No, it'll rain then too unless I move
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21:19<Ikaros>Oh for crying out loud. They said it was supposed to be mostly clear tonight.
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21:19<Peng>you too?
21:19<Ikaros>And what do I find when I step outside? Mostly cloudy, instead
21:19<Peng>frigging tropical summer
21:19<Peng>15,000 degrees and clear all day, storms all evening
21:20<Ikaros>Oh now they changed their 'viewing forecast'. Hah, screwballs realized they were dead wrong and covered their butts.
21:21<Ikaros>"Partly cloudy west of I-35, mostly cloudy east of I-35"
21:21<Peng>cloudy for a thousand miles
21:22<Ikaros>Well I have until about 9 PM or so before it really starts to eclipse.
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22:29<Ikaros>Well hell it cleared up enough to see it. I'm staring at it now out my window.
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22:31<@jfred>still cloudy here :(
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22:54<Maria>hello someone help me ?
22:57<akerl>Did you try turning it off and back on again
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23:06<Kyhwana>guess they did
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23:22*jstitt turns off akerl.
23:22<schwa>tsk tsk forgot to sudo
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23:46<dcraig>I saw the moon
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23:47<dcraig>was able to zoom in on linode moonbase
23:47<retro|blah>watch yourself
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