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00:00<sandeep>but google looks out for me!
00:00<praetorian>google isnt random
00:00<praetorian>they are fine!
00:00<praetorian>they would never tell the nsa.
00:01<cuonghoang>who admin linode?
00:01<Cromulent>cuonghoang: just ask your question already
00:01<praetorian>linode admin linode
00:01<HoopyCat>cuonghoang: will get you in contact with linode
00:02<gparent>what a poignant URL
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00:03<Horse>is it just me or is firefox laggy
00:04<praetorian>have you tried uninstalling ublock origin and all the other tripe you have installed?
00:04<HoopyCat>i don't know, i'm currently wearing pants
00:04<Peng>Horse: This isn't #firefox.
00:04<Cromulent>this is SPARTA!!
00:04<praetorian>is it #firebird?
00:05<Horse>i would use edge browser but its an eyesore
00:05<praetorian>have you thought about using w3m?
00:06<praetorian>pretty sure it would meet your privacy requirements.
00:06<Horse>its a text based browser
00:06<praetorian>what's your point?
00:07<Horse>it doesnt support games, videos, etc
00:08<Peng>Peace at last!
00:08<praetorian>Peng: no, peace got pulled from the app store.
00:09<Horse>i guess ill just not use php and just use html since php doesnt work on my server
00:11<Ann>anyone have a "how to configure nginx" that is bare bones?
00:11<Ann>the linode guide has many examples but doesn't suggest which approach to use
00:13<Horse>trust me
00:13<Horse>dont even bother with nginx
00:13<Horse>just go apache
00:13<Peng>No. Nginx++
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00:13<Ann>anything to speed up WP I am for
00:14<Horse>the real world performance will be pretty much unnoticable
00:15<praetorian>pretty sure it's best to take advice from someone who wasn't asking how to rename a file minutes ago
00:15<Ann>do I understand correctly that in the nginx.conf file is where a website is listed
00:15<praetorian>Ann: have you had a look at
00:15<Ann>I'll check
00:16<Horse>nginx is like 1.3% faster than apache
00:17<Peng>But infinity percent more fun to configure
00:17<Horse>hasnt been fun for me
00:18<Ann>thank you but that does not provide an example of where to list websites
00:18<HoopyCat>the problem with wordpress being slow isn't apache, it's wordpress
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00:19<Horse>all cms will be bloaty
00:20<Ann>anyone have an example nginx.conf file?
00:20<Peng>Ann: There was one provided when you installed Nginx, though it's not very good.
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00:21<Horse>there is some default setting that is a huge security risk or something
00:21<HoopyCat>listen 80;
00:21<Horse>you have toset it to 0
00:22<Peng>Nginx doesn't have wildly insecure default settings.
00:22<Peng>Or many things you should set to 0
00:22<Ann>yes I am looking at it now
00:22<Peng>WordPress or php-fpm might
00:22<Horse>there is this one setting that you have to put from commented to 0
00:23<Ann>the guide says websites should be listed here: http { }
00:23<Horse>each site should have its own file with server { }
00:23<Horse>dont even worry about default thats just for your ip
00:23<sandeep>your website specific config might be in /etc/nginx/conf.d/ or /etc/nginx/sites-enabled/
00:25<Ann>I believe I do understand that each site has its own file
00:25<Ann>and that is found in sites-enable / available
00:25<Horse>point is http { } isnt needed
00:25<Ann>but where in the nginx.conf does it reference those?
00:26<Peng>Horse: http { } is entirely needed in nginx.conf
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00:26<Horse>yes but im talking about the virtual host file
00:26<Peng>Ann: There'll be an "include sites-enabled/*;" line or something similar, in the http block in nginx.conf.
00:27<praetorian>sif +g peng, sif
00:27<praetorian>"as if"
00:28<Ann>do you know if each file/site should be listed?
00:28<Peng>Ann: That's what the * is for :)
00:28<Peng>Ann: It's a wildcard, it covers everything in the directory.
00:28<Ann>that's what I thought
00:29<Ann>but that's not what the guide shows
00:29<Peng>What guide?
00:29<Peng>More specifically?
00:30<Ann>go to the bottom
00:30<Ann>Best Practices
00:30<Horse>just make a server block file in sites-available and then type sudo ln -s
00:30<Ann>Use Include
00:31<Ann>yes but what about listing more than one site?
00:31<Horse>then make another one and ln -s it too
00:31<HoopyCat>Ann: see the subheading "include"
00:32<HoopyCat>Horse is a Certified Symbolic Link Practicioner
00:33<Ann>one sec
00:34<Ann>no I was trying to refer to the third bullet
00:34<Ann>Use include statements...
00:35<Ann>both links look to be the same
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00:35<HoopyCat>i apologize, i have to go slam my head in the pantry door
00:35<Ann>it's bullet two and three that are confusing
00:35<Peng>You're best off starting with your default config file, rather than from scratch, IMO.
00:36<Peng>Then read the docs and modify it as you like.
00:36<Ann>Make a separate configuration file for each of your domains. For example, an Nginx configuration file for might be called /etc/nignx/sites-available/ as shown throughout this guide. It will contain a server block for that domain. The domain name is specified in the server_name variable. Use include statements in the main nginx.conf configuration to include each server configuration file. These include statements go
00:36<Ann>mostly this part:
00:36<Ann> Use include statements in the main nginx.conf configuration to include each server configuration file.
00:36<sandeep>those bullet points won't help you speed up WP though
00:37<Ann>speed and security I thought were the benefits
00:37<Horse>who cares about those
00:37<sandeep>"In this section, we’ll look at a few best practices for keeping your Nginx configuration organized"
00:38<Ann>my earlier comment was in regards to its use not this one aspect
00:39<Ann>and yes, I like the idea of being organized with it all
00:39<Ann>it says to make it easy to add or remove sites
00:39<Ann>which is how?
00:39<Horse>is apache better for dynamic websites
00:40<Ann>remove the link to it, or remove its file under available or active?
00:40<sandeep>yup. instead of having to comment out part of the website in the main .conf file
00:44<Ann>I see, so adding or removing its file from active is how it's done?
00:47<Horse>php is horrible and should be replaced
00:49<tonyyarusso>With BASIC!
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00:54<Ann>is it too difficult for the average person to run a mail server?
00:54<praetorian>i wouldn't do it if i was you.
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00:58<Ann>who do you use?
00:58<Ann>ever sense att / sbcglobal have blocked emails from dreamhost I have been mad
00:59<tonyyarusso>Ann: The average person? Absolutely. The average person with sysadmin experience? No.
00:59*tonyyarusso runs his own for personal stuff, but also is a sysadmin for a living, so not exactly "average"
01:00<synapt>as someone with sysadmin experience running your own mailserver can still be a pain at times :P
01:01<Ann>so I've heard
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01:01<internat>*sigh* one of my (L)users email account got compromised.. 3300 sasl logins later, and 30k+ emails sent :/
01:01<Ann>it's hard to find a host you can trust
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01:01<internat>^^ the down falls of running your own mail server
01:02<tonyyarusso>Also, it's a lot easier if you have a very limited set of users, who are all smarter than the average bear, and will listen to you if you tell them stuff.
01:02<Ann>what about having someone set it up, and run maintenance once a month or as needed?
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01:02<tonyyarusso>It'd hate to run a mail server with just anyone as users....
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01:03<tonyyarusso>I had to do that at $oldJob - where the users were primarily retirees, many of them still on dialup. It was as bad as you'd expect.
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01:07<Horse>in my opinion security through obscurity is good enough
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01:09<Ann>I suppose you are right
01:10<Ann>but that has it's limits I find
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01:23<praetorian>even running an outgoing mail relay can be a PITA.
01:23<praetorian>let alone *accepting* email
01:23<internat>i wonder if linode has an incming abuse report :/
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01:24<praetorian>my current setup (at $job) is [stuff] ---> [internal mail clsuter] ---> [aws ses multiple endpoints] ---> out
01:25<praetorian>whats nice is you can get data back on the deliverability of all emails going out of SES
01:25<praetorian>including bounce/spam complaints
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01:26<praetorian>Yeah. it's great. can hook postfix logs + that up and see an email all the way thru
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01:56<synapt>all sorts of internet hiccupery at the moment
02:14<jayvee`>yeah were there issues at tokyo about 30 minutes ago?
02:14<jayvee`>I lost ipv4+ipv6, then a minute later ipv4 came back, and then a few minutes later ipv6 came back
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03:18<linodeuser>please guide me to setup correct MX records for my microsoft outlook web mail service
03:18<linodeuser>my domain is hosted on linode
03:18<linodeuser>and we are using an email service from microsoft outlook
03:19<kyhwana>linodeuser: you mean something like
03:21<linodeuser>yes exactly
03:21<linodeuser>Routing Email to Third-Party Mail Services To route email to a third-party email service, create MX records that associate your mail server (for example, with a hostname provided by the third-party service. For instructions, see the website of your third-party email service.
03:21<kyhwana>Yes, set whatever MX records MS tell you to
03:21<linodeuser>now guide me to setup MX records for
03:24<Peng>linodeuser: It's somewhere on Outlook's help site
03:24<linodeuser>yep , im searching that
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04:20<+linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Wordpress site not sending out emails <>
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06:02<fantomas>Hi all. It's still not clear for me how php is running from this guide
06:02<fantomas>Where is either php fpm or apache mod_php?
06:02<fantomas>`sudo apt-get install php5 php-pear` is the only package installation command which does't install both
06:05<fantomas>ah, seems php5 now install libapache2-mod-php5 :)
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07:40<dan>can't ping my linode - anyone else having problems?
07:41<kcaj>dan: I also can't ping your Linode
07:41<kcaj>As I don't know the IP
07:41<dan>i have two of 'em
07:41<dan>both down - both in the newark datacenter
07:42<dan>although linode status shows that datacenter as operational
07:42<kcaj>5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 4997ms
07:42<dan>aww great and now it's working for me now
07:42<dan>i swear it was down
07:43<dan>can i come in here for you to perform a magical ping for me whenever needed?
07:43<kcaj>During my office hours, sure ;)
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09:42<+linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • The Best Hibernate online training with live projects in India, USA, UK, Canada, Australia <>
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11:24<Nermal>hi, im looking for support
11:24<+linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient!
11:25<Nermal>ok then, can I host a VPN session on your services?
11:26<grawity>afaik "as long as it doesn't violate Linode ToS" or something
11:26<HoopyCat>why not?
11:26<kcaj>You've got 4 yeses, you're through.
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11:33<Nermal>ok then
11:33<Nermal>i want to host a chrome browser session with 4-5 add ons
11:33<Nermal>is that a problem?
11:34<Nermal>and also I want to use 1-2 proxy connections
11:34<Zigara>you can do anything you like as long as it doesn't violate the ToS, so I'd suggest reading them
11:34<akerl>Nermal: It's a Linux server. You have root. The resources scale based on plan size. You can't break the law
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11:41<fridaynext>None of my sites are loading, and I cannot SSH into my Linode. I've successfully gotten in with Lish, but I don't know where to look to find out why this happened.
11:41<Nermal>break the law of what country? :D
11:42<akerl>Well, why can't you get in to SSH
11:42<akerl>Nermal: The US
11:42<fridaynext>I've restarted nginx, mysql, and php-fpm
11:42<grawity>fridaynext: well check whether the Linode can connect to outside
11:42<akerl>and also wherever you live
11:42<grawity>fridaynext: ping stuff
11:42<fridaynext>grawity: k will try that now
11:42<Nermal>im noob at this so I may ask simple questions
11:42<akerl>Pinging stuff seems like a roundabout way to figure out why you can't get in via SSH
11:43<fridaynext>can't ping the IP address
11:43<akerl>Sounds like your networking config is busted
11:43<fridaynext>akerl: i haven't run any updates in a couple days, and it was working as of last night, but this morning it's unresponsive.
11:43<akerl>Well something changed
11:43<fridaynext>what sort of things can ubuntu auto-update that would change this?
11:44<grawity>yeah but it's still an okay way to figure out whether the linode can network at all
11:44<grawity>I mean, I've had a linode that'd completely lose connectivity once a month
11:44<grawity>went away after a kernel update
11:44<akerl>fridaynext: I'd strongly suggest that rather than trying to guess things that could have caused this and then isolating if they make snese, you figure out what's wrong and work the other direction towards the root cause
11:44<fridaynext>my /etc/network/interfaces looks fine.
11:44<akerl>Look at the running network config
11:44<grawity>does `ip addr` look fine?
11:44<grawity>or `ip route`, `ip neigh`?
11:45<fridaynext>lish doesn't fill my terminal window. how do you scroll terminal output?
11:45<fridaynext>i'm running ifconfig to see what it's showing
11:45<akerl>| less
11:46<akerl>and use ip addr
11:47<fridaynext>ran that command, but it's still above the top of the window, and even with less, I can't scroll the output
11:47<akerl>sounds unlikely
11:47<akerl>given that paging is basically the whole point of less
11:47<akerl>you're going up/down, right?
11:47<fridaynext>using page up, scrolling, up arrow,
11:48<akerl>You may also want to try using Lish via SSH, rather than the little web thingie
11:48<fridaynext>that's what i'm using.
11:48<fridaynext>i'll disconnect and reconnect.
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11:50<Mahesh>can u suggest me regarding taffic..if i buy10$ monthly plan..
11:50<fridaynext>okay, now it's working. ip addr shows the correct address in eth0
11:51<akerl>so what did you change between then and now
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11:51<Mahesh>I have a website,,made in wordpress..Daily visitors around 700 per day..
11:51<fridaynext>i haven't SSH'ed into my server for 3 days. The only thing I can think of that would have borked anything is VPN with pritunl.
11:52<akerl>Mahesh: visitors per day is not a metric that translates to anything
11:52<fridaynext>although I've just been using it like normal, and haven't had issues for the two months I've been using it.
11:52<akerl>fridaynext: Sounds like it was faeries
11:52<fridaynext>akerl: I really don't know what to investigate, as I didn't do anything overnight. Maybe it was hacked.
11:52<akerl>It's possible
11:52<akerl>The network faerie hackers are everywhere
11:53<fridaynext>i'll go to for support. they usually have helpful responses.
11:54<Mahesh>I want to buy 10$ plan,, is there any option to pay without credit...I have HDFC visa, debit sbi maestro..debit but donot have credit card
11:54<akerl>That sounds like a credit card
11:55<akerl>I bet it works as a credit card
11:55<Mahesh>I donot have credit card...
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11:56<akerl>Does it have a "visa" logo on it?
11:56<Mahesh>HDFC Debit car has logo of visa
11:56<Mahesh>car = card
11:56<akerl>I bet it works
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11:58<Mahesh>website is running in reseller shared hosting plan..I don't know how set up with you provide us any help to migrate website
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12:01<fridaynext>shit, it was pritunl. it was trying to reconnect on my OS, which messed up the connection to my Linode's IP. I quit the program, and all is fine now.
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12:03<Mahesh>there is not option to pay with debit card..
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12:08<sandeep>Mahesh: most indian debit cards won't work here. But if your bank offers virual credit cards, those'll work
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12:09<Mahesh>I have HDFC with Visa logo,,it is debit card..
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15:12<bernd>I installed Nginx and heve this error [105] Missing version directory if i access my Website
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15:50<ankit>i want to know does linode offer windows vps?
15:51<Nivex>ankit: not officially supported, but can be done
15:51<ankit>how? explain
15:51<Nivex>Google is your friend
15:51<ankit>i am new to linode
15:52<ankit>i don't know how linode is different from godaddy
15:52<Nivex>Linode supports Linux. If you want support for Windows, Azure might be a better bet.
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16:25<Eugene>It's worth noting that the first page of Google results for "Linode Windows" doesn't return any information whatsoever on doing it
16:25<Eugene>So telling people to Google for something that only exists in the form of an out-of-date Gist some guy wrote drunk on the first day of the Beta.... may not be helpful
16:29<HedgeMage>Eugene: To be fair, you have to be drunk to think running a Windows server is a great idea.
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16:48<Zigara>that gist is fine though, the steps are the same, but it's true the google results are a bit rough
16:48<Eugene>No, the gist is outdated and crap. I know, I wrote it.
16:49<Zigara>how is it outdated?
16:49<Eugene>It predates Glish. You can do a direct intall much easier now
16:49<Zigara>but how do you get the iso running?
16:50<Eugene>Make a Windows USB stick, dd it to a Disk Image, boot that.
16:50<Zigara>I forgot you could add another disk
16:50<Eugene>Install to a second Disk Image, shut down and delete the installer, resize the raw one, continue setup.
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16:50<Eugene>It also predates Full Virtualization mode, which doesn't need drivers preloaded
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16:51<Zigara>you'd still need to install the virtio drivers for optimal performance
16:51<Eugene>"optimal" doesn't get you much
16:52<Zigara>still something :p
16:52<Eugene>If/when ISO upload/mounting(as a CD device) happens then things will get a lot easier
16:52<Zigara>yeah that would be great
16:53<Eugene>I haven't bothered to update / rewrite the guide because my Winode is already running.... and I'm betting that we'll eventually get ISOs
16:58<Tea>The linode chapstick suffers from a pretty bad design flaw
16:59<Tea>I've gotten through a lot of it and now the thing doesn't come out beyond the rim
16:59<Tea>So I just end up scraping my mouth on the plastic thing
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17:14<Nermal>is there an other payment option than credit card?
17:16<drussell>Nermal: Unfortunately not.
17:16<drussell>You could pay via check, but you'd have to pay like 6 months in advance.
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17:17<Nermal>that is what I get for living in third world country
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19:01<kcaj>Looks like issues at Dallas. Manager is loading slowly.
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19:02<kcaj>Wow, fixed already.
19:05<xar>cmon dallas
19:05<xar>you're killin me
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20:52<harty83>Hoping to get a little guidance. Trying to get IPv6 to be publicly accessible for Ubuntu 14.04 linode. It seems configured and I can ping6 internally but not from outside.
20:53<kcaj>ping6 internally means what?
20:54<harty83>sorry; that was probably a dumb statement. Just that the linode can ping itself. Can also ping external ipv6 IPs/domains.
20:55<harty83>If I try to ping from an external server, I get connect: Network is unreachable
20:55<Peng>Pastebin ip -6 r
20:55<Peng>I can ping you inside Atlanta, FYI.
20:55<Peng>Actually, I can ping you from elsewhere too.
20:55<Peng>harty83: So it sounds like it works. :-\
20:56<Peng>harty83: Are you sure it's broken? Pastebin what you did.
20:57<harty83>Well, I've tried pinging from my mac and from a Digital Ocean box. And also with service like
20:57<kcaj>64 bytes from 2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe3b:7555: icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 time=87.8 ms
20:57<kcaj>Looks good to me
21:00<harty83>is it only reachable from within linode network?
21:00<Peng>< Peng> Actually, I can ping you from elsewhere too.
21:03<HoopyCat> appears broken; it can't ping either
21:04<HoopyCat>harty83: in the case of your mac, it's trying to use a link-local address. dunno about the other two. (traceroute or mtr might be interesting)
21:04<harty83>Seems my other boxes can't ping6 either so maybe they have issues with ipv6 addresses. So maybe it's not my linode then but just the tools I'm using :-/
21:04<HoopyCat>harty83: but indeed, you're reachable from a residential cable modem hundreds of miles from the nearest linode facility
21:05<Peng>harty83: Yeah. Your Linode is good, but your everything else is broken.
21:05<harty83>well, guess that's why I was pulling my hair out on why my Linode box wasn't working when it should :-)
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21:23<harty83>random question; does Linode support reverse dns for ipv6 ips from a public pool assigned to the linode?
21:23<Peng>You have to set it on the manager's reverse DNS page (same as IPv4). They won't delegate the zone to you.
21:26<harty83>I apologize for not following. I have rdns setup for the main public ipv4 and ipv6 addresses assigned to the linode through the Remove Access -> Reverse DNS page. But it doesn't seem to recognize IPs from a public IP pool assinged to the Linode.
21:27<HoopyCat>has the AAAA record been in the DNS for awhile, or was it *just* added?
21:31<dcraig>HoopyCat, are you the type of person who could recommend a home weather station?
21:34<HoopyCat>dcraig: hmmm... no, but i know of a few ham nerds in my area who could
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21:35<HoopyCat>dcraig: is being sold by the person i'd ask first
21:36<harty83>HoopyCat, a AAAA record has been in google cloud (the dns manager for this domain) for a while and seems pingable. Of course it doesn't piont to the reverse DNS domain though
21:36<Peng>Of course it doesn't who what now?
21:36<HoopyCat>harty83: entering that hostname into the reverse DNS box should work then. what is the hostname?
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21:39<harty83>:-) showing off my ignorance here; obviously learning about this networking stuff as I go along so I'll willing take the heat for being an idiot. Ha! That combined with little sleep in days has dampered my ability to think. Y'all don't care about that though. What you care about is that I was using the wrong domain when doing the RDNS via Linode. Reaching for a monster
21:40<dcraig>regular monster or java monster?
21:40<harty83>prefer the sugar free regular :-)
21:40<harty83>Buy them by the case at Sams. Not sure they sell the java ones but never really cared for them anyway.
21:41<HoopyCat>somehow, i've become a fan of canned seltzer water
21:41<dcraig>hipster doofus
21:42<harty83>not sure flavored, carbonated water would sustain me right now. Probably healthier though.
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21:43<HoopyCat>coffee and water are my two main drinks, as is standard for normal well-adjusted humans with deadlines
21:43<harty83>Haha; true that
21:44<HoopyCat>obviously vast differences between the two
21:44<HoopyCat>for awhile, coffee's "dual" has been diet dr pepper... if i want coffee-like experience but don't want coffee, diet dr pepper it is
21:45<HoopyCat>didn't have a similar "dual" for water until the wife brought home a 12-pack of polar. everything's better now
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23:15<+linbot>New news from forum: Customer Testimonials • CPU contention is surprisingly low—great job! <>
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23:35<+linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Multi-Developer (SFTP) Development Env Setup Issue <>
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23:40<islinodeup>hey guys, is the atlanta server down? status says there's nothing wrong but i can't even log into the linode CP and my server is down
23:40<islinodeup>nm it finally kicked in
23:41<islinodeup>well, the control panel isn't working though.
23:41<Peng>There are multiple servers in Atlanta. And the manager is in Dallas :P
23:42<fierydragonlord>I'm experiencing the same issue.
23:42<islinodeup>okay, good to know
23:42<tonyyarusso>Lies. We all know it's just one server in someone's basement.
23:43<fierydragonlord>I can access my Linodes and Lish without issue, but the Linode Manager is down.
23:46<islinodeup>the problem when hiring cats as admins is that they sleep all day and easily get distracted at night. problem might solve itself through the laws of probability. gnite!
23:46<@johnmusbach>It's fixed sorry about that.
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23:47<islinodeup>awesome thanks :)
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23:47<Peng>Cats fall asleep on the big red button?
23:48<@johnmusbach>Haha something like that.
23:50<fierydragonlord>Yep, looks like a temporary issue. See ya.
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