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01:25<test>SOAP extension is not loaded.
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01:25<test>help to resolve
01:25<kyhwana>load the SOAP extension
01:25<test>using php 7
01:25<test>any one is here?
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04:05<Ratan>Does linode provide Dynamic VPN VPS
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04:06<Cromulent>Ratan: you can run a VPN on your VPS if that is what you are asking
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04:32<test>I have query regarding billing account migration
04:32<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
04:32<millisa>(though some billing issues will likely have to go through their official support)
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04:33<test>can we migarte billing account from one to another linude account
04:33<dwfreed>you can transfer Linodes between accounts
04:33<millisa>You mean migrate a linode? They do that, you just need to put in a ticket from both accounts
04:34<dwfreed>just open tickets on the source and destination
04:34<test>ok thanks
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06:10<JamesTK>Can I transfer accounts between linodes?
06:11<JamesTK>How many dwfreed's do I get per hour?
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06:21<@mcintosh>!w philadelphia
06:21<linbot>mcintosh: It is currently 39.56 degrees Fahrenheit with mist in Philadelphia.
06:25<ponas>!w oslo
06:25<linbot>ponas: It is currently 11.18 degrees Fahrenheit with few clouds in Oslo.
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06:27<@mcintosh>ponas: should probably let people specify units huh
06:27<dwfreed>it should figure it out based on country
06:28<dwfreed>hint: USA is the only country that uses freedom units (which is why they're called that)
06:28<ponas>what dwfreed said :)
06:29<ponas>we also need more cloud providers due to the few clouds
06:30<@mcintosh>dwfreed: but it's #NotMyAPI though
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06:30<dwfreed>mcintosh: sure, but you're wrapping it
06:31<dwfreed>look at the country it's returning, and convert
06:31<@mcintosh>ahhhhh true
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06:36<nate>dwfreed: US territories too of course
06:37<dwfreed>those will generally also show a country of USA
06:37<dwfreed>but yes, if they don't
06:42<JamesTK>dwfreed: so, how many?
06:44<JamesTK>!wx YSSY
06:44<linbot>JamesTK: [metar] OBS at YSSY: 71.6F/22C, visibility 9999 miles, wind 17.26 mph, chill 72.13F (altimeter: 29.972932745) [YSSY 181130Z 17015KT 9999 FEW030 OVC035 22/16 Q1015 NOSIG]
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06:51<_23>Am having some issue
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06:51<_23>My contact form isn't sending emails and am suspecting the php sendmail function
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06:52<_23>how do i know if its installed and working on the server
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07:22<@mcintosh>!w atlanta
07:22<linbot>mcintosh: It is currently 62 degrees Fahrenheit with light intensity drizzle in Atlanta.
07:22<@mcintosh>!w london
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07:22<linbot>mcintosh: It is currently 2 degrees Celsius with light rain in London.
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07:46<JamesTK>!wx atlanta
07:46<linbot>JamesTK: [metar] ATLANTA: not data available, valid code?
07:46<JamesTK>lol derp
07:48<@mcintosh>JamesTK: try !w its kewler
07:49<JamesTK>!w Sydney
07:49<linbot>JamesTK: It is currently 20 degrees Celsius with light intensity shower rain in Sydney.
07:49<cbirk>mcintosh: i went to sleep and woke up and you're still up
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08:04<@mcintosh>cbirk: i slept!
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08:07<JamesTK>mcintosh: :O
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08:13<Zimsky>!wx BIKF
08:13<linbot>Zimsky: [metar] OBS at BIKF: 30.2F/-01C, visibility 9999 miles, wind 29.92 mph, chill 15.17F (altimeter: ) [BIKF 181300Z 26026KT 9999 -BLSN VCSH FEW029 SCT036 BKN050 M01/M05 Q1011]
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08:59<@jdfriedrikson>!w Philly
08:59<linbot>jdfriedrikson: It is currently 39 degrees Fahrenheit with mist in Philadelphia.
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09:00<@jdfriedrikson>can confirm
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09:01<goo>Hi, I have 2 questions. (1) Does a NodeBalancer provide any security value? (2) Can a firewall or other security measure be placed in from of the Linode or is the only option the software firewall?
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09:02<@mcintosh>goo: 1) it could, depending on how you configure it, but that's not really one of its features
09:02<@mcintosh>2) hardware firewall isn't possible no, you'd need to use a software firewall
09:09<@jdfriedrikson>goo: netfilter (iptables) should serve your needs. what are you trying to defend against exactly?
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09:14<cbirk>not even norton can save you
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09:32<financeMann>My websockets are broken since I setup a Node Balancer, do I just need to open up the tcp port 2053 (Assuming thats the port we use for WS) and that's all?
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09:33<@jdfriedrikson>that would be correct
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09:39<financeMann>@jdfriedrikson should I just open that port as tcp or https?
09:40<financeMann>or http
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09:41<@jdfriedrikson>websockets aren't HTTP
09:41<@jdfriedrikson>so you should do tcp
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09:43<financeMann>@jdfriedrikson what's the recommended way to aggregate log file from applications running on Linodes, does Linode offer any slick tools or will I need to do my own implementation of logstash/splunk?
09:44<@jdfriedrikson>you'd have to do you own implementation
09:44<@jdfriedrikson>syslog-ng, splunk, or logstash should work justt fine
09:45<financeMann>great, I am assuming theres probably stackscripts for those setups anyways
09:45<@jdfriedrikson>yeah. Linode, in general, is pretty hands off with application level stuff
09:46<financeMann>With managed services are there any that they might like me to do for them so that it makes it easier for them to check into if theres an issue
09:46<@jdfriedrikson>we aren't as much of an end product as we are a utility to build your own thing with
09:46<@jdfriedrikson>financeMann: notes on the monitors are always good. give us as much info as possible and we'll do better
09:50<financeMann>Looks like we are going to do a pro service to have linode do a complete migration/setup of the infrastructure so I know how annoying it can be to have an outside guy setting stuff up that's not quite as in line with what linode standards are etc. I got everything working but figured it'd be best to have pro services set it all up so they know exactly how everythig is configured
09:50<financeMann>easier to handle/respond to issues then
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09:51<@jdfriedrikson>The Pro Services Team aren't the ones that respond for Managed issues
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09:54<financeMann>sounds good but i'd assume they'd be able to set it up based on ideal conventions that are in line with what managed issues team would be able to best understand
09:56<@jdfriedrikson>I haven't seen them make mistakes. They're really experienced and thorough which is the biggest benefit. As long as you have someone that knows exactly what they're doing, our Managed Team shouldn't have any issues.
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10:12<wiki>Hey all
10:13<wiki>I have setup a wordpress blog on on LEMP which I installed using "oneinstack" from github
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10:13<wiki>Now the problem I am facing, the website without "www" directs to the default page but with "www" it goes straight to the installed wordpress
10:14<wiki>I want it to redirect to wordpress in all cases
10:14<wiki>how can I do it? Can anyone tell me?
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10:15<@jdfriedrikson>it's a virtualhost issue
10:15<@jdfriedrikson>depends on whether you want to serve the website on all domains, or just have everything redirect to "www"
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10:18<@mcintosh>hi there
10:18<jcanto>i have a question, i really do not know if this is the place to ask it
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10:18<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
10:18<jcanto>i already have a Linode
10:19<@jdfriedrikson>lel alexf
10:19<jcanto>if i create a new Linode, i'll have the 7 days trial again for that Linode?
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10:20<@jdfriedrikson>jcanto: no. the 7 days trial is for the entire account. you can't repeatedly create and delete linodes to get around billing.
10:20<jcanto>sure :)
10:20<jcanto>thank you
10:20*ozzie slaps ozzie around a bit with a large fishbot
10:21<@jdfriedrikson>jcanto: if you cancel your account within 7 days, then we can refund your original payment
10:21<petr_>hello, I would like to set-up a data backup server. The requirements are: ~4GB/day incomming data, ~4T total data stored with option to extend and a plan (i.e. technical and financial expectations) to export all the data via outgoing network connection in once-in-a-long-time crisis. Can you comment on these requirements?
10:21<jcanto>no, i won't cancel my account, my Linode is working great!!
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10:21<wiki>I want it simple without 'www' how do I do it?
10:21<@jdfriedrikson>jcanto: happy to hear it!
10:22<jcanto>i just that i need a server for a couple of days
10:22<@jdfriedrikson>wiki: nginx or apache?
10:22<ozzie>Hi, I am currently choosing between DigitalOcean and Linode, are there any real benefits to using Linode?
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10:23<@jdfriedrikson>ozzie: we're better
10:23<@jdfriedrikson>petr_: I could comment, but I'm not really sure what questions you have
10:23<jcanto>ozzie, i've been working with both
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10:23<jcanto>they are very good, but Linode is cheaper and with addons
10:24<@jdfriedrikson>ozzie: also, why not both? if you're expecting any kind of high availability, you shouldn't put all your eggs in one basket
10:24<ozzie>Jcanto, which do you prefer out of the two, is there that much of a difference in performance? (I'm just developing a web application with PHP in the backend)
10:24<ozzie>Ahh right
10:24<jcanto>no ozzie, Linode is my choice
10:24<@jdfriedrikson>I would choose us if you're looking for only one and also good performance
10:25<@jdfriedrikson>we're constantly getting the latest and greatest in hardware
10:25<jcanto>great performance, great price, great addons
10:25<jcanto>you can even download an app for android
10:25<ozzie>Great, thank you guys!
10:25<jcanto>myabe ios too, i don't kow
10:25<@jdfriedrikson>it also depends on your requirements in regards to benchmarks. while it's nice to say that you want the fastest, unless you have a specific goal than it's just a nebulous decision
10:26<wiki>jdfriend I do not know what the meaning of that post
10:26<jcanto>i was hosting a medium traffic site in a shared hosting
10:26<petr_>I'll be specific: considering the Linode 4GB plan, (i) is it possible to store 4GB data a day, (ii) is it possible to store 4T in total, (iii is it possible to buy extra storage in case I need it and (iv) is it possible to send out all 4T of stored data in i.e. 1 week (and if not, can I buy some add-on that enables this)
10:26<jcanto>i moved to Linode, the difference is huge!!
10:27<@jdfriedrikson>wiki: listen default_server
10:27<@jdfriedrikson>default_server is what you want
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10:27<wiki>what I should type this command?
10:27<wiki>let me try
10:27<@jdfriedrikson>wiki: it's in the configuration
10:27<@jdfriedrikson>for nginx
10:27<@mcintosh>petr_: i yes ii yes but not with a 4GB linode iii no iv yes, but you'd exceed the allotted transfer for a 4gb linode at that rate
10:28<wiki>how to reply like you are replying?
10:28<petr_>(v) I also have to solve for the initial import of 4T of data that I already have
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10:28<wiki>@jdfriedrikson like this?
10:28<@jdfriedrikson>petr_: yes. but we don't offer any customized plans for this. at that rate, you'll get overages with us on a 4GB plan
10:28<wiki>no it did not work
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10:29<@jdfriedrikson>oh mcintosh answered for me already. welp.
10:29<@jdfriedrikson>wiki: did you try jdfriedrikson: ? use tab complete
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10:30<wiki>jdfriedrikson: like this?
10:30<petr_>@jddfriedrikson: thanks! the "3 TB Transfer" is the sum of in/out communication?
10:30<wiki>jdfriedrikson: still not working I think
10:30<@jdfriedrikson>it's working lol
10:30<@jdfriedrikson>I'm seeing it
10:30<@jdfriedrikson>petr_: nope. just outbound
10:31<wiki>haha not beeping on mine
10:31<petr_>jdfriedrikson: what is the inboud quota and the pricing for inboud communication?
10:32<@mcintosh>petr_: inbound is free
10:33<@mcintosh>no quota for it
10:33<wiki>jdfriedrikson: I have used this command but its still the same
10:34<wiki>after using sudo-apt install ruby-listen
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10:35<petr_>jdfriedrikson: is it possible to extend the storage quota for a given plan?
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10:37<petr_>jdfriedrikson: actually - there's no mention of storage limit in the plans - only the SSD storage. is it possible to store i.e. 4T of data?
10:39<petr_>jdfriedrikson: or more specifically - is there other than the SSD storage? If yes, how much and with what limits.
10:39<@jdfriedrikson>petr_: as of right now, no
10:39<@jdfriedrikson>SSD storage is the storage in question
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10:39<@jdfriedrikson>you'd have to store all not on your Linode. or cluster storage between several Lindoes
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11:10<mog>i have a linode on a personal account
11:10<mog>i want to transfer the node to another account
11:10<mog>is this possible?
11:11<@caker>hello, yes - open a ticket on both sides
11:11*mog nods
11:18<mog>also i just realized in looking to do this. i have been using linode since 2009. you guys rock.
11:19<@caker>heh nice - I'm glad we've worked out for you .. we try :)
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11:51<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
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11:58<@jdfriedrikson>literally. every day. you should work here.
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12:07<Eugene>You guys don't pay enough for me to move back to New Jersey
12:08<@jdfriedrikson>¯\_(ツ)_/¯ you know we're moving to Philly, right?
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12:12<Zimsky>you should move to Zurich
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12:31<FluffyFoxeh>jdfriedrikson: moving? I thought Philly was just a second office
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12:34<Eugene>You definitely don't pay enough for me to move to Philly.
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12:36<@jdfriedrikson>FluffyFoxeh: we're still holding onto the other offices
12:37<gparent>in case you come back
12:37<@jdfriedrikson>I personally have no desire to go back to NJ
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13:36<dwfreed>jdfriedrikson: so, it's a balancing act; on the one hand, galloway is a nice quiet suburban community; on the other hand, there's basically nothing to do, and AC is not a great place, and philly is a long ways away
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13:40<jcanto>You do not appear to have the sources for the 4.8.6-x86_64-linode78 kernel installed
13:41<jcanto>please :)
13:41<gparent>The sources are available on
13:41<@jdfriedrikson>you'll want to use the distro kernel at that point
13:42<@jdfriedrikson>seems like you're going to compile a module. if you are, you're going to have a bad time with ours
13:42<@jdfriedrikson>dwfreed: that's precisely why I moved to Philly
13:42<jcanto>yes, i want to compile a module
13:42<dwfreed>jdfriedrikson: I mean, you can, you just have to set localversion correctly in the source tree
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13:45<jcanto>sorry, how do i use the distro kernel?
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13:45<@jdfriedrikson>dwfreed: where are you going to load it?
13:46<dwfreed>jdfriedrikson: Linode kernels (at least to) have module loading enabled just fine
13:46<@jdfriedrikson>dwfreed: do they???
13:46<@jdfriedrikson>I didn't realize. Hmmm
13:46<dwfreed>s/least to/least used to/
13:46<gparent>I thought I read the opposite too
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13:46<dwfreed>jdfriedrikson: zgrep MODULE /proc/config.gz
13:46<gparent>I mean the way I remember it was "compiled without module support", but I'm not tsure if that's a technical term
13:46<jcanto>thak you!
13:47<@jdfriedrikson>dwfreed: I'm ahead of you :p
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13:47<@jdfriedrikson>CONFIG_MODULES=y I've been lying all these months
13:47<gparent>that's good to know
13:47<@jdfriedrikson>I still don't really recommend using our kernel. It's better to use the packaged one.
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13:50<fantasymashups>Do issues opened under the Open New Issue for managed services get addressed more quickly than if I open a Support Ticket through the Support Ticket button?
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13:51<fantasymashups>I have a fairly urgent issue where HTTP traffic won't get directed to HTTPS all the time, only some of the time, wasn't sure where best to open the ticket
13:52<fantasymashups>resulting in an odd infinite redirect loop that I can't figure out
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13:53<@jdfriedrikson>fantasymashups: if you stick URGENT in the ticket title/summary we'll probably catch it
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13:54<fantasymashups>ah gotcha, probably can't edit an existing title?
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14:01<jcanto>jdfriedrikson: THANK YOU!! work like a charm (kernel) :)
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14:01<@mcintosh>fantasymashups: no, you cannot
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14:14<Uasya>can somebody answer a question from linode?
14:14<DrJ>not unless you ask a question
14:14<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
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14:16<Uasya>i would like to know - what if i buy a server from you and gonna use it as web server but also i would like to buy some other servers to use it as database servers beyond web server - is that possible at all?
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14:16<@mcintosh>Uasya: yes, you can do that
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14:18<Uasya>can i read about these opportunities somewhere - how it is set and how much does it cost?
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14:20<jcanto>Uasya: you also have 7 days of trial
14:20<jcanto>but i am sure you'll stay with Linode
14:21<Uasya>ok i got it thanks
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14:23<JigmeDatse[m]>Uasya: I understand it can work very well. I think that you can fairly easily setup the connection to work only within the datacentre.
14:24<JigmeDatse[m]>But from,here it looks like they are gone.
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14:42<linbot>mquatrani: It is currently 45 degrees Fahrenheit with overcast clouds in Narberth.
14:43<@mquatrani>!docsearch Apache
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14:45<cruxeternus>!lmgtfy lmgtfy
14:47<@mcintosh>cruxeternus: give 'er another go
14:47<cruxeternus>!lmgtfy lmgtfy
14:47<cruxeternus>Linode customer service still amazingly fast :D
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16:52<Guest927>I would like to try linode
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17:33<@jdfriedrikson> is sketchy af
17:34*jdfriedrikson <-- don't hurt him
17:34<@jleal>should use anyway ;)
17:34<linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • Update CentOS 7 image to 7.3 <>
17:34<@mcintosh>wblew: where's my API? ;)
17:34<@mcintosh>jdfriedrikson: is fine lol
17:35<@jdfriedrikson>what's the point in shortening what's already there? or is it to keep us from scrolling?
17:35<@mcintosh>many clients do not like long links
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19:58<fantasymashups>It's been 5 hours since I got any support on an urgent issue I am having with our site, I submitted the ticket through the managed services section
19:59<fantasymashups>I got it under control enough to make it look like the site is working but it's falling apart
20:00<fantasymashups>I'm really concerned with staying with Linode if our response time to tickets is 5 hrs for a response, not really sure what I should be expecting though
20:05<dzho>fantasymashups: I'm not now nor have I yet been a managed services customer, so I don't know either, but I am wondering--were you already a managed services customer before this incident, or are you looking to sign up with managed services now as the situation has presented itself?
20:07<dzho>If the former, I expect there to be some ramping up time, if the latter--I guess that depends on what you have and how that was set up, no?
20:07<dzho>er, other way round.
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20:14<fantasymashups>I've been a managed services customer for about 3-4 days I believe
20:14<fantasymashups>everything setup though for a couple days
20:15<arlen>call them
20:15<fantasymashups>This isn't an outtage per say in the traditional monitored services
20:15<fantasymashups>sense, not an Urgent support issue
20:15<fantasymashups>*but rather an urgent support issue related to manage services
20:15<fantasymashups>since I got the services back up and running and such
20:15<fantasymashups>half way running
20:15<arlen>this is the user community channel, we can't bump tickets
20:15<@mbeach>fantasymashups: Sorry to hear you haven't gotten a response yet. If you don't hear from us within the next few minutes, please feel free to give us a call at 855-454-6633
20:17<fantasymashups>ah thank you! I got an initial response of read the documentation but I had already done it and such and that was why I opened the ticket
20:17<fantasymashups>that was 5 hours ago
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20:22<@mbeach>fantasymashups: Again, really sorry to hear that you've been waiting this long. You can always reach out to us at any time, we're here 24/7
20:22<fantasymashups>sounds good, via phone?
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20:28<fantasymashups>thanks for you help mbeach, fast response with my issue! thanks again
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20:32<@mbeach>fantasymashups: Glad to help :)
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21:44<fantasymashups>Is there a way to run a command to push my longview stats up? It was working and now the server isn't pushing anything it looks like
21:44<fantasymashups>i read the doc's and such, didn't see anything to handle this case
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21:50<@mbeach>fantasymashups: What do you mean, push your stats up?
21:51<fantasymashups>longview was working fine the other day and now the node is just saying "Collecting data - please wait."
21:51<fantasymashups>for like 20 minutes
21:51<fantasymashups>longview keys are good and such
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21:51<@mbeach>fantasymashups: Probably best to open a support ticket in this case :)
21:53<fantasymashups>mbeach sounds good :) I just opened it
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21:56<@mbeach>Great! You should be hearing back from us soon.
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22:08<fantasymashups>For managed monitors URL type, how often does it perform the check?
22:09<dwfreed>istr somewhere between 5 and 15 minutes, though it's been a very long time since I've worked with managed
22:12<fantasymashups>ah, i wonder if that's configurable at all to be 5 minutes?
22:13<fantasymashups>looks predefined
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22:17<AMZ-Center>hi i need suport
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22:18<AMZ-Center>is trush??? suport linode?
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22:19<AMZ-Center>fk suport...
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22:20<Ikaros>Is what
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22:20<Ikaros>Interesting, a Peru IP
22:20<arlen>is crazy
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22:27<john>i am trying to figure out the security of these datacenters by linode
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22:27<john>i mean physically
22:27<dwfreed>john: pretty much all of them have SSAE 16 type 2 audits completed regularly; you can email Linode (or open a ticket if you already have an account) to get copies of the audit reports
22:28<dwfreed>john: is also helpful
22:29<john>thanks! i found that complaince one, but it means that we can be compliant
22:29<john>i loosely recall that there is a name
22:29<john>for the level of physical security to the servers they provide
22:29<john>and am trying to find that
22:30<dwfreed>the SSAE 16 audit covers that
22:30<john>oh ok
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22:35<dand>E: Failed to fetch
22:36<dand>something wrong with the mirrors?
22:36<dwfreed>make sure you apt-get update first
22:36<dand>I did
22:36<dwfreed>always apt-get update before you do anything
22:36<dand>I did
22:37<dand>now it's working
22:37<dwfreed>xenial-updates is at, according to
22:38<dwfreed>so you may have raced it
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22:38<dwfreed>hmm, nope, was posted back in november
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23:35<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Stagers for Homes <>
23:38<lonewulf1>Hello, as a 18month user of Linode, can I except to see a
23:38<lonewulf1>Denver location anytime soon?
23:38<lonewulf1>Thanks in advance.
23:41<Cromulent>no idea - probably best to ask Linode in a ticket I guess
23:41<lonewulf1>Will do, and thanks for that reply.
23:42<lonewulf1>I personally thought it would be a waste of a technicians time/efforts to open a ticke.
23:42<lonewulf1>I mean with this channel in exsistence
23:43<Cromulent>linode staff don't always reply here as it is the user community and we don't know what linodes plans are for obvious reasons
23:43<Cromulent>seeing as we are just customers
23:44<lonewulf1>I missed that read Linode's site where it says that this channel is for usr community only.
23:44<lonewulf1>boy thanks alot!
23:45<Cromulent>it is just an IRC channel for people to hang out in and help each other out
23:45<lonewulf1>I could of swore I read where Linode's site told me to come here and ask such a question.
23:46<lonewulf1>Welp, let me open that ticket.
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23:46<lonewulf1>and thanks Cromulent, you've been very helpful.
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