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#linode IRC Logs for 2017-01-21

---Logopened Sat Jan 21 00:00:11 2017
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00:07<ally>what is linode do?
00:08<ally>do they host a website or what?
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00:09<Nightmare>My Little Linode: Linux Sysadmin is Magic
00:09<@mcintosh>ally: we are a cloud hosting provider
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00:09<@mcintosh>(we provide cloud hosting)
00:09<Nightmare>You want to run a website? Run game servers? Have a place to store your dank memes? Linode can help you with that
00:10<ally>do you provide managed or non-manged hosting?
00:10<@mcintosh>ally: generally non-managed -- we have a service called Linode Managed but it's more of an incident response service than the "Managed" hosting services you might have in mind
00:12<JamesTK>mcintosh: yeah, the price certainly doesn't cater to fully managed
00:12<JamesTK>people have no idea
00:13<ally>imanaged is pretty match like incident response, isn't it?
00:13<ally>managed
00:13<@mcintosh>some people think of managed service as "the provider does *everything* for you"
00:14<@mcintosh>but yes, it's not entirely uncommon for managed service to be more along the lines of "We'll do all that we can to bring your stuff back online if it goes down" which is moreso what Linode Managed offers
00:15<JamesTK>mcintosh: oh, isn't there a place to document your app to make linode's lfie easier?
00:15<JamesTK>if it's dead do this
00:15<JamesTK>etc
00:15<ally>i thought, all kinds of monitoring is auto done by apps not humans
00:15<@mcintosh>JamesTK: there certainly is (and it's very valuable in terms of ensuring we can do the most possible to assist)
00:16<JamesTK>monitoring is automated but a human needs to respond
00:16<ally>if I want to run awebsite, linode will provide me what?
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00:17<ally>ready to go server like, LiteSpeed, Nginx
00:18<ally>ready to go database server
00:18<ally>and a ready to go control panel with root access?
00:18<@mcintosh>no, you'll have to install that stuff yourself
00:19<@mcintosh>a linode is a mostly vanilla installation of a linux distro on a (quite fast) server
00:19<kyhwana>Tho there are stackscripts for setting up LAMP/etc
00:21<ally>does that mean I have to buy these ssoaftwares/apps separetely?
00:24<kyhwana>ally: if you want cpanel, you ahve to buy cpanel, etc
00:26<ally>what price range are we talking about
00:27<kyhwana>nfi, depends what they charge
00:29<ally>my budget is <=$25 a month. is it possible?
00:29<kyhwana>depends what you want to run
00:31<linbot>you get what you pay for
00:32<ally>small classifieds
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00:37<Ikaros>Hm, now I have to figure out what the heck set off Lassie on my Linode twice within 20 minutes because as usual, the system logs provide zero insight. Thinking I should disable Lassie and watch the console myself via LISH.
00:39<dwfreed>look at the old log
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00:41<dwfreed>linode saves console logs that look like they have a panic, bug, or oops in them, so you could also ask support to check for panic logs
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00:42<JamesTK>dwfreed: that would make sense. Can some OOPS be hypervisor-related failures?
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00:42<dwfreed>possibly
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00:43<dwfreed>but in general, since Linode uses their own kernels by default, it can be helpful to debug the config, etc
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00:45<JamesTK>yep
00:45<JamesTK>...my setup is fun
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01:10<shaheel>hi
01:11<shaheel>my Linode username and password not working . Reset password also not working
01:12<dwfreed>try forgot username
01:12<dwfreed>worst case call or email linode
01:12<dwfreed>!contact
01:12<linbot>https://www.linode.com/contact
01:18<shaheel>the "EMail Us" link not pop anything
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01:19<dwfreed>you might not have anything configured to handle mailto: links
01:19<dwfreed>just copy/paste the email address into your mail client of choice
01:20<shaheel>thank you
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01:45<raju>hello
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01:46<raju>i plan to buy a vps
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06:11<aakifnazir>This is aakif
06:11<aakifnazir>I am looking forward to shift my account from vultr to linode
06:11<aakifnazir>I'd like to ask if anyone can get me a coupon code for some credit so I can try this servce
06:11<aakifnazir>Thanks
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06:13<aakifnazir>Is that a code?
06:15<csnxs>last time I checked, the linode docs had a code ;)
06:15<aakifnazir>Can you post one here
06:15<aakifnazir>Thanks
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06:32<Solo_>Linode have have to change ips a lot a ips are bl
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06:33<JamesTK>oh?
06:33<JamesTK>Solo_: ?
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06:33<JamesTK>what
06:33<JamesTK>wtf was that about
06:33<JamesTK>...if it's some idiot complaining because their IP is blacklisted it's THEIR RESPONSIBILITY to get it un-blacklisted
06:33<JamesTK>idiot
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06:34<JamesTK>ChanServ: boo
06:34<Cromulent>heh when I set up an email server I found hotmail had blacklisted a whole linode IP range
06:35<JamesTK>Cromulent: hmm, I find that seems to still allow stuff through if you use DKIM and stuff? Or did you need to contact NOC to get it dealt with :P
06:35<JamesTK>email is hard
06:35<Cromulent>yeah I just switched to Amazon SES and Google Apps for Work - I couldn't be bothered with the hassle of running my own email server
06:35<JamesTK>email is hard :P
06:36<JamesTK>does ses work work non-amazon?
06:36<JamesTK>it's just authenticated SMTP right
06:36<Cromulent>yeah
06:36<csnxs>isn't it called g suite now?
06:36<JamesTK>g suite yes
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07:31<praetorian>ses is not just authenticated smtp
07:31<praetorian>it also has an API.
07:31<praetorian>JamesTK: hows the new job? or left already
07:31<praetorian>:>
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07:54<Zimsky>praetorian: he got fired
07:54<Zimsky>lol
07:54<Zimsky>JamesTK: you know what's harder than email?
07:55<Zimsky>this di- actually php
07:55<Zimsky>PHP is always harder.
07:56<Zimsky>PHP error 104: library not found. actually nothing found. why am I even running I wasn't compiled I just exist; fuck this /sigkill
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08:06<tokyohost>can i buy tokyo host now?
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08:32<dan>hello guys, does linode still provide free 512 test vps for a couple hours?
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08:37<lkyx>I just tried to create an account but I'm not getting any email. amusingly I can try to create more accounts using the same email or user name.
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08:38<lkyx>the Linode Alpha link on the other hand correctly sends me an email.
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08:53<fantasymashups>Hi, how do I create a linode user with privledges to view the managed services section?
08:53<fantasymashups>seems like there no setting for it
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13:04<VictorTorres>Hi, I'd like to know if you sponsor games
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16:39<satish>Hi
16:40<Toba_>hi, satish
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16:40<jiggawattz>hola
16:42<satish>I want to take Linode 2048
16:42<satish>hostinf
16:42<satish>but i want to know whether it is flat 10$
16:42<satish>any other hidden cost
16:44<JigmeDatse[m]>satish: I've seen it as 'flat'. Not sure if I have even seen a tax on it..,
16:46<satish>is it private instance??
16:46<satish>i can install any software and play with it
16:46<Toba_>yes of course it is
16:46<Toba_>nobody else is using it
16:46<jiggawattz>satish: yeah
16:46<satish>??
16:46<Toba_>thats is the P in Virtual Private Server :)
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16:47<Toba_>you can install whatever you want and do whatever you want
16:48<JigmeDatse[m]>Doing weird stuff can be weird, and break instances... but it's never happened to me.
16:50<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • "Latest 64 bit" kernel - 4.8.6-x86_64-linode78 or 4.9.0-x86_64-linode79 ? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14500&p=72564#p72564>
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17:36<lkyx>are all the >$10 promo codes expired? still can't get a registration email but it works to my gmail at least
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17:40<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • "Latest 64 bit" kernel - 4.8.6-x86_64-linode78 or 4.9.0-x86_64-linode79 ? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14500&p=72565#p72565>
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17:50<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • "Latest 64 bit" kernel - 4.8.6-x86_64-linode78 or 4.9.0-x86_64-linode79 ? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14500&p=72566#p72566>
17:51<Steve^>I'm planning on setting up a new Linode, but want to set up a VM locally for testing - can anyone recommend good software/etc for doing this? My desktop environment is Ubuntu
17:52<millisa>you can setup kvm on your own system. linodes are kvm.
17:53<millisa>this may help: https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/kvm-on-ubuntu-14.04/
17:54<Steve^>Will that be easy? I'm not doing anything crazy enough to need an identical setup, I just didn't want to be basing everyting off my desktop OS
17:55<lkyx>you could also test on your Linode immediately, no? you just pay hourly after all, and if something goes awry you can delete the entire thing again
17:58<Steve^>yea I could, but I know I'm going to be doing this on and off and I'm already running an overly specced badly maintained linode because I haven't gotten round to rebuilding it
17:59<Steve^>it's a little more than testing, I need to set everything up, I don't exactly know how I'm doing that yet
18:02<lkyx>I assume https://www.linode.com/docs/tools-reference/custom-kernels-distros/running-a-custom-linux-distro-on-a-linode-vps#creating-the-virtual-machine covers your use case then
18:03<Steve^>Using Virtualbox? If that's a good way, I can do that
18:04<Steve^>The product name starts with "Oracle", so I wasn't entirely sure
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18:09<JigmeDatse[m]>From what I've read it doesn't much matter what virutalization envioronment you use. I haven't tried it yet.
18:11<trippeh>Steve^: note that oracle licensing is a clusterfuck, beware. they may want you to pay for the entire linode fleet. :-D
18:15<JigmeDatse[m]>I've run into this a few times I think, not sure if it is something I need to work on setting things up so it works properly, but IPv6 addresses seem to timeout on my linodes by default.
18:16<trippeh>oh, virtualbox is oracle d'oh
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18:17<trippeh>nevermind.
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18:17<Steve^>:D
18:18<Steve^>I'm currently just looking over vagrant, seems like an easier way to use virtualbox
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18:57<Guest1246>Hi. Can I add cPanel to the Linode 2GB plan? If so, how much does it cost per month? Thanks.
18:58<grawity>Linode doesn't provide cPanel licenses
18:58<millisa>!cpanel
18:58<linbot>Install cPanel on CentOS: https://www.linode.com/docs/websites/cms/cpanel-on-centos Linode does not sell cPanel licenses, but it's provided free to Linode Managed customers: https://www.linode.com/managed Or try a free panel like Webmin: https://www.linode.com/docs/websites/cms/webmin-control-panel Or just use the command line: https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/linode-beginners-guide/
18:58<Guest1246>managed? approximate cost for that?
18:59<grawity>approximately a lot
18:59<Guest1246>I'm looking to run a small app for private use (very low traffic) but had issues installing it if cPanel wasn't present
18:59<grawity>i.e. $100/linode/month according to that page
18:59<Guest1246>Thanks grawity
19:00<grawity>(since it provides a bit more than just cPanel)
19:00<Guest1246>& Millisa
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19:00<Guest1246>Yeah, I skimmed over the page.
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19:00<Guest1246>I just need a simple cloud plan w/ cPanel
19:01<Guest1246>thanks again and tc
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19:01<JeremyE77>Consider the investment of $100 a month vs how easy Cpanel really is to install...if you read a liitle bit of the documentation.
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19:50<Hbk>Hello Team
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19:51<millisa>Greetings
19:51<Hbk>Please let me know if there are any customizable plans available
19:51<millisa>It's all about simple pricing: https://www.linode.com/pricing
19:51<arlen>there aren't any
19:51<Hbk>Okay.
19:52<Hbk>Can I expand the plan if required in future without any issues ?
19:52<millisa>Resizing a linode is easy!
19:52<Hbk>Okay
19:52<JigmeDatse[m]>I kind of disliked the "custom servers" when I first came online. But I think that it actually ends up cheaper unless you have an odd situation.
19:53<millisa>Hbk: https://www.linode.com/docs/migrate-to-linode/disk-images/resizing-a-linode
19:53<Hbk>Suppose I just want to increase the storage and not the other resources, is it possible ?
19:53<JigmeDatse[m]>Even then, I think the "ideal server" versus "best fit linode" probably aren't all that different.
19:53<millisa>You would need to resize the linode to get more of any of the resources.
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19:54<kyhwana>Hbk: no, there's only the listed plans
19:54<Hbk>Okay
19:54<Hbk>Thank you
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20:24<Nightmare>dwfreed: do you give free hugs
20:24<dwfreed>that depends, but usually
20:26<millisa>this implies there are pay for, premium, hugs.
20:26<JeremyE77>Street huggers!
20:26<dwfreed>there's one saying we have in consulting: I'll do anything for the right price
20:27<dwfreed>the price set out might be significantly higher than you'd ever be willing to pay, however
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20:54<newbie>hello, does linode offer static ip addresses?
20:54<MajObviousman>yes
20:54<MajObviousman>the IP address assigned to an instance stays with it. You can also swap IPs between two instances
20:55<newbie>how much does it cost per month? I looked on the site but didn't find information regarding IP.
20:55<newbie>Cool, thanks.
20:55<MajObviousman>so you could have your site/services operating on one instance, build the new and improved versions on a new instance, and then when you're ready just swap the IPs
20:55<MajObviousman>one static IP is included in the hourly/monthly cost
20:56<newbie>Great, thanks for the information.
20:56<MajObviousman>no problem, good luck
20:56<MajObviousman>not sure if monthly billing is still offered, actually
20:56<newbie>Thank you. Do you work for linode?
20:56<MajObviousman>I do not. Just been around for a long time
20:57<MajObviousman>the ones with op are linode employees
20:57<DrJ>newbie: linode would be out of business if they didn't give you a static ip
20:57<MajObviousman>and there's a few non-opped ones about as well
20:58<newbie>I'm currently on a Servint dedicated but ti's too costly and it's a bit much for me
20:59<newbie>One last question -- do you know if I tried them for a week or so and then cancelled it, I'll only be charged for the week?
20:59<kyhwana>note you only get one v4 IP per node
21:00<MajObviousman>If you opt for hourly billing, you will only be charged for the hours you have an instance. Now, regardless of whether that instance is on or off, you'll be charged per hour. You're renting the slot.
21:00<MajObviousman>I believe there is a 7-day cancellation policy too
21:00<MajObviousman>!cancel
21:00<linbot>Instructions on canceling a Linode account are available here: https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/billing-and-payments#canceling-your-account
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21:01<newbie>Thank you everyone for the helpful information. I'm convinced to give it a try. Cheers!
21:01<MajObviousman>as in, if you try it out and find it's not to your liking, cancel within 7 days and you get all your money back
21:01<millisa>(look up at the top of that doc, too. there is a promo code up there)
21:01<MajObviousman>sure thing
21:01<MajObviousman>ooh, promo code, even better
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21:03<MajObviousman>so there's a hybrid thing going on here. If you use an instance for an entire month, you get billed for the monthly rate. If you use it less than a month, then you get charged the hourly rate. Nice compromise
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21:13<Nightmare>Not only does Linode offer static IP addresses, they offer really sexy hot static IP addresses
21:18<MajObviousman>with three, count 'em, THREE dots
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21:18<MajObviousman>a whopping four octets, mang. Super smexy
21:18<millisa>sometimes the dots are stacked on top of each other
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21:20<MajObviousman>and man, don't get me started on ipv6. An embarrassment of riches. SIXTEEN OCTETS OMG WTF BBQ
21:20<MajObviousman>I have no idea what to do with it all
21:20<MajObviousman>I have an internet of internets routed to my instance
21:20<MajObviousman>an internet squared
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21:32<FluffyFoxeh>internet^64
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21:39<MajObviousman>FluffyFoxeh: that is a large number of things
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22:48<Andre_>Hello people
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22:51<millisa>greetings.
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23:17<arlen>hi
23:20<Peng>Hi
23:21<arlen>Hl
23:22<MajObviousman>ohai
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