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05:33<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Ok to disable, or have really high, notification threshholds? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14501&p=72567#p72567>
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06:20<@mcintosh>hi
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07:06<Chris_>Hi
07:06<Chris_>need some urgent assitance regarding a ticket I have open
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08:08<help-please>hi anybody online?
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08:09<help-please>i have a strange issue. i am getting 502 Bad Gateway on one of the website hosted on linode. all other sites are working fine
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08:11<help-please>when i Changing number of PHP sub-processes to new number it will start work again. but after few hours it will stop working and give 502
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08:18<@mcintosh>help-please: do your logs have any information that might indicate why its happening? syslog/apache/php logs (if you have them)
08:19<help-please>connect() to unix:/var/run/php5-fpm.sock failed (13: Permission denied) while connecting to upstream, client: xx.xxx.xx.xx, server: localhost, request: "GET / HTTP/1.1", upstream: "fastcgi://unix:/var/run/php5-fpm.sock:", host: "xx.xx.xx.xx"
08:20<help-please>socket dead automatically? or permission problem?
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08:24<@mcintosh>help-please: give this a read http://stackoverflow.com/a/23487409
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08:25<help-please>Already update the same and waiting to see those error again
08:25<help-please>in my case it will stop working after few hours .. no idea why
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08:25<help-please>all other sites working fine.. this site have very low traffic...
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08:26<help-please>few people per day.. another site have 2000+ people online ... but this small site getting 502 after few hours
08:27<help-please>the PHP-FPM socket get killed? or..
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08:27<@mcintosh>help-please: if the socket is getting killed for some reason, your logs should likely reveal why
08:28<@mcintosh>anything in /var/log/syslog (might be /var/log/messages depending on your distro)
08:28<help-please>just a second. let met check that
08:31<@mcintosh>how are you getting the site back online when it crashes?
08:34<help-please>iChanging number of PHP sub-processes
08:34<help-please>Changing number of PHP sub-processes Via virtualmin will bring back the site online
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08:35<help-please>but after few hours it will went back to SAME STATE .. take very long time to respond (2+ Minutes or show w8ting for ever) or simply return 503
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08:36<help-please>i look syslog and not found anything useful
08:36<help-please>NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from unknown[62.149.172.167]: 550 5.1.1 <loree@xxxxx.com>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table;
08:36<help-please>see the above logs few times
08:36<help-please>that is not our email
08:36<@mcintosh>probably unrelated to this
08:37<@mcintosh>did you restart php-fpm/apache after modifying the permissions like in the link I sent previously?
08:37<@mcintosh>if not, do that
08:37<help-please>may be listen.mode = 0660 fix this issue? for now it is working fine.. if it is came back where should i look for?
08:38<help-please>yes
08:38<help-please>restart nginx fpm etc.. also done a full server resart L)
08:38<help-please>:)
08:41<@mcintosh>help-please: php --info | grep error
08:41<@mcintosh>that might help
08:42<help-please>display_errors => Off => Off display_startup_errors => Off => Off error_append_string => no value => no value error_log => no value => no value error_prepend_string => no value => no value error_reporting => 22527 => 22527 html_errors => Off => Off ignore_repeated_errors => Off => Off log_errors => On => On log_errors_max_len => 1024 => 1024 track_errors => Off => Off xmlrpc_error_number => 0 => 0 xmlrpc_errors => Off => Off opcache.error_log => no va
08:43<@mcintosh>i'd recommend adding an error_log line in php.ini so that you can log potentially related errors
08:43<@mcintosh>error_log = /var/log/php/php.log
08:43<@mcintosh>something like that, restart php-fpm, then it should start logging errors
08:43<@mcintosh>may assist if it reoccurs
08:43<help-please>ok
08:43<help-please>Thanks bro
08:48<@mcintosh>no problem
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10:35<@mcintosh>!w philadelphia
10:35<linbot>mcintosh: It is currently 45 degrees Fahrenheit with light rain in Philadelphia.
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10:40<@jdfriedrikson>!w philly
10:40<linbot>jdfriedrikson: It is currently 45 degrees Fahrenheit with light rain in Philadelphia.
10:40<@jdfriedrikson>ftfy
10:40<@mcintosh>true
10:40<@jdfriedrikson>!w DC
10:40<linbot>jdfriedrikson: It is currently 45 degrees Fahrenheit with overcast clouds in Washington, D. C..
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10:41<@jdfriedrikson>oh, I would have assumed there was some turbulence in that area right now
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10:42<csnxs>!w hell
10:43<linbot>csnxs: It is currently 4 degrees Celsius with light rain in Stjordal.
10:43<@jdfriedrikson>!w heaven
10:43<linbot>jdfriedrikson: It is currently 3 degrees Celsius with clear sky in Berendrecht.
10:43<Nivex>!w
10:43<linbot>Nivex: (w <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "web title http://urmom.rm.wtf/w.php?place=$1".
10:44<dwfreed>you only get one word to describe the place, because mcintosh is a terrible coder
10:44<Nivex>!w Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch
10:44<linbot>Nivex: No weather information found. Please try again later.
10:44<@jdfriedrikson>at least he isn't a loser
10:44<@jdfriedrikson>!w rich
10:44<linbot>jdfriedrikson: It is currently 22 degrees Celsius with clear sky in San Jose.
10:44<linbot>mcintosh: Yo momma's so stupid, she thought Conflicker was real!
10:45<@mcintosh>place names of more than one word are lame ;p
10:45<@mcintosh>will prolly fix it eventually though
10:46<Peng>!w tokyo 2
10:46<linbot>Peng: It is currently 5 degrees Celsius with clear sky in Tokyo.
10:46<Peng>\o/
10:47<@jdfriedrikson>!s shinagawa
10:47<linbot>https://status.linode.com/
10:47<@jdfriedrikson>!w shinagawa
10:47<linbot>jdfriedrikson: It is currently 5 degrees Celsius with clear sky in Marunouchi.
10:47<@jdfriedrikson>!w stalingrad
10:47<linbot>jdfriedrikson: It is currently 0 degrees Celsius with clear sky in (Bruxelles-Capitale).
10:48<@jdfriedrikson>I'm skeptical of the accuracy of information I'm receiving
10:48<@jdfriedrikson>!w moscow
10:48<linbot>jdfriedrikson: It is currently -1 degrees Celsius with overcast clouds in Moscow.
10:48<@jdfriedrikson>!w talinn
10:48<linbot>jdfriedrikson: It is currently 1 degrees Celsius with scattered clouds in Tallinn.
10:48<jiggawattz>!w dushanbe
10:48<linbot>jiggawattz: It is currently 3 degrees Celsius with light rain in Dushanbe.
10:48<jiggawattz>!w Ashgabat
10:48<linbot>jiggawattz: It is currently 0 degrees Celsius with light rain in Ashgabat.
10:49<@jdfriedrikson>!w babalon
10:49<linbot>jdfriedrikson: It is currently 44 degrees Fahrenheit with broken clouds in Babylon.
10:49<@jdfriedrikson>LIES
10:49<jiggawattz>Stalingrad is not Bruxelles lol
10:49<jiggawattz>!w Constanta
10:49<linbot>jiggawattz: It is currently 1 degrees Celsius with clear sky in Constanta.
10:49<jiggawattz>!w leningrad
10:49<@jdfriedrikson>!w istanbul
10:49<linbot>jiggawattz: It is currently -1 degrees Celsius with overcast clouds in Romanovka.
10:49<linbot>jdfriedrikson: It is currently 6 degrees Celsius with clear sky in Istanbul.
10:49<@jdfriedrikson>!w constantinople
10:49<jiggawattz>!w shithole
10:49<linbot>jdfriedrikson: It is currently 7 degrees Celsius with few clouds in Lanta.
10:49<linbot>jiggawattz: It is currently 21 degrees Celsius with clear sky in Pen.
10:49<jiggawattz>!w shitville
10:49<linbot>jiggawattz: No weather information found. Please try again later.
10:49<jiggawattz>!w shitplace
10:49<linbot>jiggawattz: It is currently 42 degrees Fahrenheit with overcast clouds in Central Valley.
10:50<jiggawattz>LOL
10:50<@jdfriedrikson>hey I'm from there!!
10:50<@mcintosh>its name isn't "stalingrad" anymore which probably explains that response
10:50<jiggawattz>California I presume
10:50<@jdfriedrikson>correcto
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10:50<jiggawattz>mcintosh: Bruxelles is Brussells Belgium
10:50<@jdfriedrikson>also jiggawattz: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/62/f9/e6/62f9e6784f98333c2cf72cfb1df464ff.jpg
10:50<@mcintosh>it's just http://openweathermap.org data fwiw
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10:51<jiggawattz>Volgograd is now Stalinbad, but Bruxelles ain't Volgograd lol
10:51<jiggawattz>Stalingrad sorry
10:51<@jdfriedrikson>not my central valley :( http://openweathermap.org/city/5112162
10:51<@mcintosh>googling "bruxelles stalingrad" clears it up pretty well, I think :p
10:52<@jdfriedrikson>it's all foreign language. we speak american in this channel <3
10:52*jdfriedrikson hides
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10:57<jiggawattz>mcintosh: I'm sure there's a stalingrad hotel or restaurant everywhere
10:57<jiggawattz>Bruxelles ain't Stalingrad lol
10:57<jiggawattz>datbotsux
10:57<jiggawattz>but it's all good
10:57<jiggawattz>bots replace humans
10:57<jiggawattz>I'm not looking forward to bots telling me things
10:58<@jdfriedrikson>I hate it when automated checkout at the grocery store tells me what to do. THEY'RE the machines. They should listen to ME. Stop telling me what to do.
11:03<Nivex>Some people need a little more... guidance... than others.
11:06<Nivex>!w bowlinggreen
11:06<linbot>Nivex: It is currently 54 degrees Fahrenheit with overcast clouds in Bowling Green.
11:06<Nivex>which one?
11:06<Nivex>I can think of three in the US off the top of my head.
11:07<@jdfriedrikson>!w stokeontrent
11:07<linbot>jdfriedrikson: It is currently 3 degrees Celsius with light rain in Hanley.
11:07<@jdfriedrikson>!w stoke-on-trent
11:07<linbot>jdfriedrikson: cbirk is a loser
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11:08<@jdfriedrikson>!w stoke-on-trent
11:08<linbot>jdfriedrikson: cbirk is a loser
11:08<Nivex>!wx bowling green, oh
11:08<linbot>Nivex: [metar] BOWLING: not data available, valid code?
11:08<Nivex>!wx kfdy
11:08<linbot>Nivex: [metar] OBS at KFDY: 57.2F/14C, visibility 8 miles, wind 5.75 mph, chill 56.34F (altimeter: 29.60) [KFDY 221553Z AUTO 14005KT 8SM CLR 14/11 A2960 RMK AO2 SLP021 T01390106]
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11:08<@jdfriedrikson>is Eugene not Linodin' today? :(
11:09<Nivex>It's Sunday. He Linodes in silence.
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11:35<cbirk>lmao
11:35<cbirk>!wx Ste. Foy La Grande
11:36<linbot>cbirk: [metar] STE.: not data available, valid code?
11:36<cbirk>!wx 33220
11:36<linbot>cbirk: [metar] 33220: not data available, valid code?
11:36<cbirk>!w Sainte Foy La Grande
11:36<linbot>cbirk: It is currently 11 degrees Celsius with overcast clouds in Sainte-Maxime.
11:36<cbirk>Sainte-Maxime != Sainte Foy
11:36<cbirk>robot de merde
11:37<cbirk>!w Bordeaux
11:37<linbot>cbirk: It is currently 3 degrees Celsius with overcast clouds in Bordeaux.
11:40<@jdfriedrikson>!w cbirk
11:40<linbot>jdfriedrikson: No weather information found. Please try again later.
11:40<@jdfriedrikson>!wx cbirk
11:40<linbot>jdfriedrikson: [metar] CBIRK: not data available, valid code?
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11:54<linoob>Is there any reason why a website still needs an ipv4 address, or is it safe to set it up with only ipv6?
11:54<Peng>Most people don't have IPv6.
11:55<linoob>so if they tried to visit the domain name on a web browser, their computer couldn't accept the ipv6 address given by dns?
11:56<Peng>If they don't have an IPv6 connection, they can't access IPv6-only services.
11:58<linoob>that sounds pretty lame :/ So the ISPs are dragging their feet?
11:58<Peng>Pretty much
11:59<linoob>do they have a deadline of any sort?
11:59<Peng>No.
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12:02<@jdfriedrikson>if you go straight ipv6 as of right now, you're going to have a bad time
12:02<@jdfriedrikson>cogent and HE are still at odds and won't peer directly
12:03<Nivex>"This is why we can't have nice things."
12:03<@jdfriedrikson>$$$$
12:03<linoob>thanks for catching me up, comrades
12:08<@jdfriedrikson>there are also ways of hosting ipv6-only servers while still making them reachable via ipv4
12:08<@jdfriedrikson>but that requires $work
12:10<Nivex>Speaking of which, $work still progressing on making a nodebalancer connect to its backend over v6?
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12:12<linoob>I mainly wanted to keep my domain names on separate IPs because I don't like them all being lumped together on agregate statistic sites under the same IP. I asked for just one extra ip for my linode so I could at least separate work and fun sites, but I got the usual shakedown about "needing" it and ended up with an ipv6 pool instead
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12:15<@jdfriedrikson>have you tried cloudflare? if you're wanting to conceal whether or not sites are connected, cloudflare would be a better solution
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12:16<Peng>Different sites on one Cloudflare account can look connected-ish.
12:16<Peng>Same nameservers and TLS certificates and sometimes IPs
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12:19<Nivex>You could split the work and fun out to separate linodes too
12:21<@jdfriedrikson>Peng: that's an issue with the nameservers / certificates then. It's 2017 and SNI is here. Separate certs are possible. You can also get them from different CAs
12:21<@jdfriedrikson>also all those problems will exist for a separate IP as well
12:22<linoob>I'm considering separate linodes, but I don't know if I can justify the cost
12:22<Nivex>Are you on the lowest plan already?
12:23<linoob>hmm. divide and conquer approach?
12:24<linoob>perhaps
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12:25<Nivex>Yeah. If on a 4GB split it out to two 2GBs. Assuming your load will handle it.
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12:27<dwfreed>jdfriedrikson: CloudFlare needs to work for people still on old platforms that don't have SNI, so they do certs with long lists of subjectAltNames
12:28<Peng>back in my day, wget didn't support SAN
12:28<@jdfriedrikson>but can you use separate certs with cloudflare?
12:28<Peng>jdfriedrikson: $$$
12:29<Peng>Well, just $. $5/month, i think. Probably requires SNI?
12:29<FluffyFoxeh>It's $CURRENT_YEAR
12:30<dwfreed>Peng: VIPs are basically free from CloudFlare's perspective
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12:31<dwfreed>also note that python2.7 did not get SNI support until 2.7.9; *many* python 2.7 installations are too old to have it
12:31<FluffyFoxeh>I'm trying to sign my own certs with my own "CA" but damn this is such a pain in the ass
12:31<@jdfriedrikson>FluffyFoxeh: http://caniuse.com/#feat=sni
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12:31<dwfreed>FluffyFoxeh: not really
12:31<Peng>dwfreed: Ha ha ha that doesn't matter because older Python doesn't validate certificates either ha ha ha
12:32<dwfreed>Peng: there's that
12:32*Peng screams
12:32<dwfreed>FluffyFoxeh: https://bitbucket.org/dwfreed/internal-ca/src
12:32<Peng>> A: Cloudflare Dedicated SSL Certificates require SNI sent from the browser.
12:32<FluffyFoxeh>dwfreed: there's so much shit that goes into an x509, and none of it is documented concisely
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12:32<@jdfriedrikson>FluffyFoxeh: you should use easy-rsa
12:32<FluffyFoxeh>in the context of SSL
12:32<@jdfriedrikson>it's intended for openvpn, but you can tweak the settings for other cases
12:33<FluffyFoxeh>hmm
12:33*jdfriedrikson uses his own CA for internal stuff (for useless fun)
12:33<Nivex>"We need better security!" "You broke my shit!"
12:34<FluffyFoxeh>jdfriedrikson: I'm doing it because my <$1 Comodo cert that I used for my IMAP expired last week :p
12:34<@jdfriedrikson>something something ACME
12:34<FluffyFoxeh>I'm the only one who uses my IMAP server so idc if it's self signed
12:35<DrJ>I will never use comodo
12:35<FluffyFoxeh>or expired for that matter, but I figure I should finally figure out how this certificate business actually *works*
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12:35<@jdfriedrikson>I'm the only one that uses my XMPP server :'( that feel when you go through the effort to self-host your comms but you have no one to talk to
12:35<DrJ>those people scans websites looking for certs that are about to expire and then cold call the owners and make it sound like the cert is already with them and they need to renew with them
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12:35<Nivex>Everyone's on Facebook now
12:35<Nivex>:/
12:36<FluffyFoxeh>most of my friends don't really use facebook actually :p
12:36<DrJ>I've yelled at comodo on the phone at work tens of times to stop calling me because I will never use them
12:36<dwfreed>because everybody's lazy and it's just easier to not self-host
12:37<Peng>I use Comodo. Not many ways to get an ECDSA certificate for $99.
12:37<Peng>$9
12:37<FluffyFoxeh>most people don't even know what self hosting means
12:37<Peng>$9 !
12:37<@jdfriedrikson>I host for my friends
12:37<FluffyFoxeh>it's just in the clouds
12:37<dwfreed>Peng: make your own!
12:37<dwfreed>:D
12:37*jdfriedrikson lives in the clouds. come up to my level.
12:37<Nivex>♫ I get my with little host from my friends ♫
12:37<Nivex>get *by* *sigh* I can't type
12:37<FluffyFoxeh>lol
12:38<FluffyFoxeh>I wonder if people my age would understand that reference
12:38<FluffyFoxeh>idk how popular it is still
12:38<dwfreed>I know the song
12:38<dwfreed>I'm 24
12:39<FluffyFoxeh>ah, I guess I assumed Nivex was old
12:39<FluffyFoxeh>:p
12:40<FluffyFoxeh>just tripped over my dog, she camouflages too perfectly with this black rug
12:40<dwfreed>I'm pretty sure he's older than me, but he's not that old
12:40<Nivex>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKWYLtJLW5o
12:40<FluffyFoxeh>haha
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12:41<Nivex>(and yes I'll be 37 in a short number of weeks)
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12:52<jiggawattz>w0000000000000
12:52<jiggawattz>Nivex: happy birthday you old fart
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12:55<@jdfriedrikson>(in a short number of weeks) != happy birthday
12:56<FluffyFoxeh>happy birthday eventually
12:56<@jdfriedrikson>it's going to be my birthday in a short number of weeks too
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12:57<@jdfriedrikson>http://pbfcomics.com/archive_b/PBF032-Todays_My_Birthday.gif
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12:57<Peng>49 weeks, whooo!
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12:59<@jdfriedrikson>that's a short number IMO
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13:15<cyberactivities>hi
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13:16<cyberactivities>anybody home
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13:19<FluffyFoxeh>it's Sunday of course I'm at home
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18:02<Hazelesque>Hi, I'm having a slightly weird issue with a Linode I built only today, running Fedora 25
18:02<Hazelesque>for some reason, IPv6 connectivity appears to be completely broken
18:03<Hazelesque>and yet, on a linode I built at around the same time, with Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, it is working OK
18:03<@jdfriedrikson>Hazelesque: describe completely broken. How are you configuring your IPv6 address?
18:03<Hazelesque>on the former, doing "ping6 ff02::2%eth0" fails
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18:03<Hazelesque>but on the latter, I get replies from the routers on the link
18:03<Hazelesque>(ff02::2 being the all-routers multicast address)
18:03<@jdfriedrikson>are you manually assigning it? are you using SLAAC? Trying to use DHCPv6?
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18:04<Hazelesque>jdfriedrikson: I've not changed it from how it came out of the image
18:04<Hazelesque>it's configured in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0
18:04<Hazelesque>IPV6_AUTOCONF=yes
18:05<@jdfriedrikson>I'm thinking maybe SLAAC is taking a little bit of time
18:06<Hazelesque>I built the machine today, but it was several hours ago
18:06<@jdfriedrikson>which datacenter?
18:06<Hazelesque>it's been up 5 hours
18:06<Hazelesque>er
18:06<Hazelesque>London
18:07<@jdfriedrikson>give me a moment. testing this myself
18:07<Hazelesque>OK, thanks
18:07<Hazelesque>(it's a Fedora 25 box it's failing on, and a Ubuntu 16.04 LTS box that it is working OK on)
18:07<Hazelesque>(both brand new linodes, created around the same time)
18:07<@jdfriedrikson>we very recently pushed out our F25 image
18:07<@jdfriedrikson>AFAIK
18:08<Hazelesque>I see
18:08<Hazelesque>well, "ping6 ff02::2%eth0" fails on the fedora box, as does "ping6 google.com"
18:08<Hazelesque>and the thing that perplexed me was that "traceroute6 google.com" just gives me all stars
18:08<Peng>Hazelesque: pastebin 'ip -6 a' and 'ip -6 r' ?
18:08<Hazelesque>I don't get responses from any hops at all
18:08<Hazelesque>Peng: sure...
18:09<@jdfriedrikson>ugh I know what it is
18:09<Peng>D:
18:09<Hazelesque>https://gist.github.com/hazelesque/7a64b06c5837e8ddda3152b95f77acec
18:09<@jdfriedrikson>I think we're already working to fix it
18:09<Hazelesque>jdfriedrikson: oh?
18:11<@jdfriedrikson>hmmm nah
18:11<@jdfriedrikson>I was wrong
18:11<Hazelesque>ah, ok
18:11<Hazelesque>jdfriedrikson: were you able to repro? does it fail for you if you build a fresh F25 linode?
18:12<@jdfriedrikson>yup
18:12<Hazelesque>well, I'm glad it's not just me going mad
18:12<Hazelesque>heh.
18:13<Peng>Hazelesque: grep slaac /etc/dhcpcd.conf
18:14<Peng>Hazelesque: sysctl -a | grep use_tempaddr
18:14<Hazelesque>grep: /etc/dhcpcd.conf: No such file or directory
18:14<Peng>hrm
18:18<Hazelesque>Peng: have updated https://gist.github.com/hazelesque/7a64b06c5837e8ddda3152b95f77acec with the output of those commands
18:18<Hazelesque>for both the broken (fedora 25) linode and the working (ubuntu 1604) linode
18:19<@jdfriedrikson>try disabling firewalld
18:19<Peng>Clearly something gave Fedora the wonderful idea to generate privacy IPv6 addresses. The question is what. D:
18:20<Hazelesque>oh?
18:20<Peng>If it was Arch i'd blame dhcpdc and /etc/dhcpcd.conf but it's either something else or stored somewhere else...
18:20<@jdfriedrikson>systemctl stop firewalld; systemctl disable firewalld
18:20<Hazelesque> Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/firewalld.service; disabled; vendor preset: enabled)
18:20<Hazelesque> Active: inactive (dead) since Sun 2017-01-22 18:48:58 UTC; 4h 31min ago
18:20<Hazelesque>^ already done 4h31m ago
18:20<@jdfriedrikson>hmmm
18:21<Peng>https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/331129/stable-ipv6-address-on-fedora might be it
18:21<@jdfriedrikson>I was getting through for a few moments after disabling. weird.
18:21<Peng>that's for GUI Fedora and blames NetworkManager and /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0
18:22<@jdfriedrikson>Peng: you're correct
18:22<Hazelesque>I presume that Linode is doing some kind of filtering on the IPv6 /64 to only allow SLAAC addresses that are derived from the MAC address assigned to the host?
18:22<@jdfriedrikson>well yeah. we definitely do not want Linodes using IPs that aren't assigned to them? could you imagine??
18:23<Peng>Hazelesque: They filter anything but your assigned IP addresses, yes. By default you only have one IPv6 IP, a standard EUI-64 address that can be configured using SLAAC. You can request more IPs, though.
18:24<Hazelesque>I note that the Linode Manager control panel says that ipa4's address is 2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fee7:eb58 / 64 but the linode itself has 2a01:7e00::7dc:9c42:36bb:93cf (global) and fe80::ddef:fb2c:6469:1d98 (link local) configured...
18:24<Hazelesque>s/configured/according to the output of "ip -6 addr show"/
18:24<Peng>Hazelesque: Yes, exactly. The node's networking stack is configured to derive some random IP address for privacy purposes, which Linode's infrastructure blocks because it's not your IP.
18:25<Hazelesque>Peng: yeah, I have "2a01:7e00::34:4000 - 2a01:7e00::34:4fff (4096 addresses)" and "2a01:7e00:e001:3e00:: / 56 routed to 2a01:7e00::34:4000"
18:25<Peng>Oh, nice.
18:25<Peng>So you can use any of those IPs, or invent random IPs from anywhere inside that /56, but 2a01:7e00::7dc:9c42:36bb:93cf is very much not assigned to you. :X
18:26<Peng>2a01:7e00:e001:3eff:7dc:9c42:36bb:93cf? Sure! 2a01:7e00::7dc:9c42:36bb:93cf? No.
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18:26<Peng>jdfriedrikson: Was i right that that's the specific setting involved?
18:26<@jdfriedrikson>nah
18:26<@jdfriedrikson>you were not :(
18:26<Peng>Darn
18:27<Hazelesque>Peng: in my defence, as far as I can tell this is how Fedora was configured when I booted the machine from Linode's prebaked image... so /I/ didn't break it ;)
18:27<Hazelesque>I did think it a little odd when I noticed it
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18:27<Peng>Hazelesque: Sure. I'm not blaming you. :)
18:27<Peng>I BLAME LINBOT, YOU IPV4 BOT
18:28<Hazelesque>I tried reading the docs at https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/native-ipv6-networking#centosfedora but got a little confused as to why it was telling me to configure IPV6ADDR_SECONDARIES
18:28<Hazelesque>I was thinking "BUT I WANT TO SET MY PRIMARY IPV6 ADDRESS, MY PRIMARY IS WRONG"
18:28<Peng>*What* it's doing is clear. Which software and which configuration files are responsible, i have noooo idea. I don't run Fedora.
18:28<Hazelesque>Ah, right, okay
18:28<Hazelesque>so if I can figure out how to tell Fedora to not use privacy addresses, then it should work?
18:29<Peng>Yeah
18:33<Hazelesque>so, I already have IPV6_ADDR_GEN_MODE=eui64 in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0
18:33<Hazelesque>:/
18:33<@jdfriedrikson>it's tring the wrong route
18:33<@jdfriedrikson>gateway
18:33<@jdfriedrikson>ugh I can barely think rn
18:34<@jdfriedrikson>I get things like 23:34:28.578926 IP6 li1520-158 > ff02::1:ff00:0: ICMP6, neighbor solicitation, who has 2a01:7e00::, length 32 when I try pinging out
18:34<@jdfriedrikson>should be fe80::1
18:39<@jdfriedrikson>SLAAC is misconfigured
18:41<@jdfriedrikson>this is definitely static routing issues
18:44<@jdfriedrikson>accept_ra_defrtr
18:44<@jdfriedrikson>nailed it
18:45<Hazelesque>net.ipv6.conf.eth0.accept_ra_defrtr = 0
18:45<@jdfriedrikson>\https://bpaste.net/show/6021646747b0
18:45<@jdfriedrikson>you want to set that to 1
18:45<Hazelesque>on fedora 25, vs net.ipv6.conf.eth0.accept_ra_defrtr = 1 on ubuntu 16.04
18:45<Hazelesque>jdfriedrikson: that would make sense! :)
18:45<@jdfriedrikson>what's happening is your Linode is trying to use the first address in it's own address's prefix by default
18:45<@jdfriedrikson>instead of using fe80::1
18:46<@jdfriedrikson>try looking at the other options. seems to be related
18:46<@jdfriedrikson>(in my paste)
18:46<Hazelesque>jdfriedrikson: yeah, I see you mention net.ipv6.conf.eth0.accept_ra_pinfo as well
18:46<@jdfriedrikson>it's a diff against working ipv6 output
18:47<Hazelesque>ahhh, right!
18:47<Hazelesque>that makes sense :)
18:47<@jdfriedrikson>if I were a bettin' man, I'd guess that your Ubuntu 16.04 Linode has that set
18:47<@jdfriedrikson>can you check?
18:47<Hazelesque>one sec...
18:49<@jdfriedrikson>fedora has shitty documentation on v6 and nm -_-
18:49<Hazelesque>jdfriedrikson: https://gist.github.com/hazelesque/9c68ad48774949703a7dafa5b6b373b2
18:49<Hazelesque>jdfriedrikson: you shock me ;)
18:50<@jdfriedrikson>they look identical :(
18:51<@jdfriedrikson>how'd accept_ra_defrtr get set? did you do that?
18:51<@jdfriedrikson>oh wait
18:52<Hazelesque>hm?
18:52<@jdfriedrikson>excuse me while I derp about for a moment
18:52<Hazelesque>they are slightly different
18:53<@jdfriedrikson>it's the eth0 conf that gets me
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18:53<@jdfriedrikson>it's making me think that NM is interfering
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18:54<Hazelesque>so, I added the output of that command from the ubuntu machine to /etc/sysctl.conf on the fedora machine
18:54<Hazelesque>then restarted networkmanager, then waited a bit
18:54<Hazelesque>and now it seems that I can ping6 google.com
18:54<@jdfriedrikson>\o/
18:54<Hazelesque>though ping6 ff02::2%eth0 still does nowt
18:55<@jdfriedrikson>now to go through /usr/share/doc/initscripts-*/sysconfig.txt
18:56<Hazelesque>and now i can successfully wget https://download.postgresql.org/pub/repos/yum/9.6/fedora/fedora-25-x86_64/pgdg-fedora96-9.6-3.noarch.rpm
18:56<Hazelesque>which was the reason I noticed (and started swearing at) the broken ipv6
18:56<@jdfriedrikson>lol
18:57<Hazelesque>I could have just gone "NOPE, TURNING IPV6 OFF NOW" but I don't want to be a terrible human
18:57<Hazelesque>heh
18:57<@jdfriedrikson>lol I do it for my personal servers
18:57<Hazelesque>(besides, I have native IPv6 at home, it's quite nice)
18:57<Hazelesque>what, just turning it off?
18:57<@jdfriedrikson>I will never feel confident in my v6 skills until I get the fancy HE cert
18:57<Hazelesque>heheh
18:58<Hazelesque>jdfriedrikson: I've spent most of this weekend setting up the Cisco Wireless LAN Controller I bought on ebay
18:58<Peng>and that fancy HE shirt
18:58<@jdfriedrikson>literally the v6 version of "I participated" https://ipv6.he.net/certification/
18:58<@jdfriedrikson>HE > Cogent
18:58<Hazelesque>heh
18:58<@jdfriedrikson>>:)
18:58<@jdfriedrikson>and nice Hazelesque!!
18:59<Hazelesque>I've got a couple of Cisco AIR-LAP1242AG access points hanging off it
18:59<Hazelesque>which I managed to get to join the WLC
18:59<Hazelesque>after I got my DHCP and VLAN configs right
18:59<Hazelesque>I have an older 1200 series AP which requires me to piss about with a Windows(!) tool to "upgrade" it to Lightweight mode though
19:00<Hazelesque>as the earlier 1200 series don't have a MIC (Manufacturer Installed Certificate)
19:00<Hazelesque>so it has to generate a self-signed cert, then enrol that with the WLC
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19:02<Hazelesque>jdfriedrikson: quick #pcbselfie from yesterday >> https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/16179401_10154266195019499_30135924707537903_o.jpg?oh=8d486f99d678b227ed1ff45d5e7ed58c&oe=5909184A
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19:02<Hazelesque>there's a "hidden" RJ45 port inside the chassis, on the Wireless LAN controller board
19:02<Hazelesque>marked "MIRROR PORT"
19:03<@jdfriedrikson>noice!
19:03<Hazelesque>I presume that's not presented on the back panel on the basis that a single 1Gbps port is not especially useful as a mirror of 2x 1Gbps SFP slots
19:03<Hazelesque>I *think* the Cisco 3750G switch that the WLC is embedded inside should be capable of doing SPAN-style port mirroring
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19:04<Hazelesque>so I should be able to mirror the two SFP ports (that are in an etherchannel group) at the *switch* end
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19:04<Hazelesque>which should be functionally equivalent
19:04<Hazelesque>nonetheless, it was an amusing find
19:05<@jdfriedrikson>I like hidden things
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19:06<Hazelesque>jdfriedrikson: apparently the company I bought it from on eBay were less inquisitive
19:06<Hazelesque>this unit had a "DATA ERASED" sticker
19:06<Hazelesque>except, well...
19:06<Hazelesque>they only erased the config on the switch, not the /totally separate/ config on the embedded WLC
19:06<Hazelesque>which is probably more sensitive
19:06<Hazelesque>heh
19:06<@jdfriedrikson>what'd you find?
19:07<Hazelesque>I didn't look that closely, but there were wifi SSIDs, some RSA private keys, ...
19:07<Hazelesque>(from running strings on the image I took of the CompactFlash card...)
19:07<Hazelesque>(strings(1), that is)
19:08<Hazelesque>(the compact flash card that you have to TAKE THE FUCKING THING APART to get to...)
19:08<Hazelesque>(and there's some kind of glue to make it even harder to remove the CF card, heh.)
19:08<Hazelesque>(not that that stopped me :P)
19:11<Hazelesque>anyways
19:11<Hazelesque>jdfriedrikson / Peng: thanks for your help!
19:12<@jdfriedrikson>any time!
19:12<@jdfriedrikson>just trying to figure out why Fedora's network configuration stuff is a dumpster fire
19:15<Hazelesque>hahaha
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19:17<@jdfriedrikson>I sincerely hate NM. It needs to die a slow death. I don't understand why we're always using these useless layers of abstraction for simple problems
19:17<Sputnik7>yah, fuck new mexico
19:17<millisa>s/nm/systemd/ ?
19:18<@jdfriedrikson>systemd != nm
19:18<millisa>i think I have the same level of hate for about the same reasons for both
19:18<@jdfriedrikson>fedora + centos rely on NM for its network stuff
19:18<@jdfriedrikson>systemd at least makes sense when you take the time to learn it
19:18<@jdfriedrikson>though, I do also really like OpenRC
19:20<Nivex>networkmanager is nice on laptops where the network is dynamically changing, but I have no idea who thought it would be a good idea to use it on a server
19:21<Hazelesque>Nivex++
19:21<Nivex>though the nmcli on the 1.0 series is kinda nice
19:21<Hazelesque>Nivex: my experience of nmcli is that the output changes, incompatibly, far too often
19:22<Hazelesque>I was writing a vagrantfile to test the company VPN setup against different linux versions... and to script the testing, I used nmcli...
19:22<Hazelesque>but I had to fuck about quite a lot to get something that would Do The Right Thing with nmcli across, say, three successive versions of Ubuntu
19:23<FluffyFoxeh>systemd has its own network beast doesn't it
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19:23<FluffyFoxeh>networkd
19:23<@jdfriedrikson>not really
19:23<@jdfriedrikson>well yeah
19:23<Nivex>and don't forget that RHEL changed from 0.9.x to 1.0.x on a minor rev. That won't screw anything up, noooooo
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19:23<FluffyFoxeh>ifupdown is reasonably simple
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19:24<Nivex>the major disadvantage to the /etc/network/interfaces model is that it's not easily machine/script updatable
19:25*Hazelesque finds the code...
19:25<Hazelesque>p = subprocess.Popen(['/usr/bin/env', 'nmcli', '-t', '-f', 'NAME,UUID', 'con'], shell=False, stdout=subprocess.PIPE)
19:25<Hazelesque>that was what I had to do in the end
19:25<Hazelesque>(the function that was in was called "_get_nm_con_name_for_uuid")
19:26<Hazelesque>(it was in an nm-dispatcher.d script)
19:26<Hazelesque>(to automatically reconfigure dnsmasq on VPN up/down events)
19:27<Nivex>of course the fact that we even have interfaces, network-scripts, networkmanager, systemd-networkd, etc: https://xkcd.com/927/
19:27<Hazelesque>took me days, but I eventually got the script and the automated tests working on ubuntu 12.04, 14.04, 14.10, 15.04 and fedora 22
19:28<Hazelesque>Nivex: heh.
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21:27<audsa>hi everyone
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21:31<audsa>HI
21:31<audsa>amnesia :0 :0 14Dec16 ?xdm? 55:11 0.04s gdm-session-wor
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21:31<staticsafe>use a pastebin please
21:32<audsa>is that normal if i have 3 terminals open
21:32<audsa>I apologize i dont know what is a paste bin
21:32<audsa>im curious about your id
21:33<audsa>what is a staticsafe?
21:33<audsa>can anyone help?
21:33<audsa>i am worried that someone might be remote viewing my desktop
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21:40<fantasymashups>We are going to be doing a large initial push with our app (100,000 USD advertising over a few weeks time), this means going from 0 users to up to 250,000 users. Realistically we will probably see 10,000 to 25,000 users. I've set up the infrastructure to heavily cache at the CDN and then hit a Node Balancer with a single 8GB instance behind that. Plan being if the infrastructure starts to break max out the linode instance
21:40<fantasymashups>if that still starts to die then switch over to a distributed model behind the node balancer
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21:41<fantasymashups>WIth 10,000 to 25,000 users will a single node balancer be sufficient or should I round-robin across a couple? How concerned do I need to be about node balancers dieing?
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21:41<fantasymashups>I am spec'ing out the performance expansion documentation to make sure we can quickly roll out performance modifications based on different possible scenarios
21:42<fantasymashups>I have managed services but I am not sure how much they will really be able to help
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21:42<fantasymashups>I figure if everything starts to go crazy I will jump on the phone and try to hire professional services to expand out quickly, I was thinking of maybe proactively doing this so the contract is in place and we can just give the approval
21:43<Nivex>proactive is good when money is on the line
21:43<Nivex>nodebalancers are good for 10K concurrent: https://www.linode.com/nodebalancers
21:43<Nivex>so you may need to spread the load. some geo diversity might not go amiss either
21:45<@jchun>Eliz: no. you just have pms blocked -_-
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21:48<Peng>fantasymashups: IMO you should start out with two 4 GBs, not one 8 GB.
21:48<Nivex>yeah, single instance behind a nodebalancer makes no sense, especially already being behind a CDN
21:48<fantasymashups>Peng, I am rolling with a simplified non-distributed model right now, if I do the two 4 GBs I'd have to rotate to an independent MySQL DB or go distributed
21:49<fantasymashups>Nivex Peng the idea is that we will probably have to expand to a distributed model but I dont want to add unneeded complexity but I don't want to have to setup the node balancer at that time
21:49<fantasymashups>The node balancer is cheap and adds an extra connection management layer to simplify things
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21:50<fantasymashups>Easier to setup now than in a pseudo emergency
21:50<fantasymashups>It's just tough to really predict if we will get 5 users or 50,000. But since we are spending enough I'd like to be prepared.
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21:52<Peng>If you plan to, or have to, scale horizontally in the future, it's better to already have it set up now, than to have to figure it out in a crisis.
21:52<Peng>And it's good to have redundancy.
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21:55<fantasymashups>Peng I don't disagree unfortunately it's an optimization problem and business wise I have to balance all the costs/risks and such. Peng would you suggest I do the two 4 GBs with no independent DB instance and just install MySQL on both of the 4GBs along side the apps?
21:56<millisa>it's better to overspec a launch and the scale back later than it is to underspec one and look bad during the launch...
21:57<fantasymashups>What do you recommend for the distributed database model
21:59<millisa>I like dedicated db instances, personally. it lets you scale up just the db if that's where the proc/memory needs. you don't have it fighting with the webserver/php/applayer for resources.
22:00<millisa>when building your web/app layer, give yourself an easy way to switch the db IP (use a single place with the IP so you aren't having to hunt around ify ou decide you want to switch to a different/bigger/smaller instance)
22:01<fantasymashups>so 4 4GB instances millisa? 2 for the app and 2 for the db?
22:01<millisa>I have no idea. I don't know your dataset.
22:01<fantasymashups>I'm just saying model wise, not performance wise
22:01<fantasymashups>I am just laying out the ideal model
22:02<fantasymashups>I don't disagree
22:02<millisa>if you have a 100k budget, why are you going with such small systems?
22:03<Nivex>he said 100k _advertising_ budget. That doesn't leave anything for the tech :P
22:03<millisa>Ah
22:04<fantasymashups>100k tech budget, 60k spent on design
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22:05<fantasymashups>We have the money but it's an optimization problem, business cost/risk assessment
22:05<fantasymashups>I'll probably setup the distributed model and switch over to it so I can easily just expand nodes
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22:06<fantasymashups>millisa Nivex only other technical question is will 1 Node Balancer be fine or 2 with the CDN round-robin them?
22:06<fantasymashups>They can handle 10k concurrent connections I believe which is probably fine
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22:11<JeremyE77>Test, test, test before you blow your marketing budget. :P
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23:02<FluffyFoxeh>https://www.google.ca/search?q=functional+vs+nonfunctional+requirements
23:02<FluffyFoxeh>why is almost every result either a school, or some site trying to sell a book
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23:22<JigmeDatse[m]>FluffyFoxeh: Because that's what Google thinks you want. It's not what I get.
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23:24<FluffyFoxeh>scroogle
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23:24<JigmeDatse[m]>Only one school in the first page, and it is lecture notes.
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23:25<FluffyFoxeh>ah I get the local university
23:26<FluffyFoxeh>as one of them
23:26<FluffyFoxeh>and a different university for another one
23:28<dwfreed>the suggestion box before the results list for me is "Non-functional requirement" from Wikipedia
23:28<dwfreed>I spend *a lot* of time on Wikipedia from Google, though
23:29<FluffyFoxeh>for me it's this stupid thing http://reqtest.com/requirements-blog/functional-vs-non-functional-requirements/
23:29<dwfreed>oh, that's the first result after the suggestion box
23:30<FluffyFoxeh>which has "Click Here To Create Your First Requirement in ReQtest & Become a Business Analyst Pro (Free 10-Day Trial)" after every second paragraph
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