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#linode IRC Logs for 2017-01-23

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00:27<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Real Estate Stager <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14502&p=72568#p72568>
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01:58<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Academic and Business Essay writing Services <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14503&p=72569#p72569>
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02:38<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Seek the help from genuine online service!! <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14504&p=72570#p72570>
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03:37*dcraig trades in his Linode for a Hugnode
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03:37*FluffyFoxeh hugs dcraig
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03:37<dcraig>:D
03:38<dcraig>what's up?
03:38<FluffyFoxeh>being awake too late
03:38<FluffyFoxeh>:p
03:38<FluffyFoxeh>Mon Jan 23 03:38:23 EST 2017
03:38<dcraig>uh oh
03:38<dcraig>it's bedtime
03:39<rick111>bonjour
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03:39<FluffyFoxeh>zeroconf
03:42<dcraig>bb u cant zeroconf my heart
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04:16<hoanvo>Hi
04:16<hoanvo>I'm Hoan
04:16<hoanvo>I need a supporting
04:17<hoanvo>Can anyone help me?
04:17<Cromulent>!ask
04:17<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
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04:17<hoanvo>I just created a vps which is 20$/month
04:18<hoanvo>I don't know how to choose a OS version.
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04:18<hoanvo>For example, I want to choose centos 7
04:18<hoanvo>How to do that?
04:18<Cromulent>https://www.linode.com/docs/getting-started
04:18<Cromulent>read that
04:18<grawity>I think it asks you when creating the VPS?
04:18<grawity>but there's also the "Rebuild" tab
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04:19<hoanvo>yes, I create the VPS
04:19<hoanvo>You can check log, I just create an account with username is trandinhminh
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04:31<hoanvo>Thanks for supporting
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07:05<SNy>zifnab: Hey, is that you that's hosting the CM wiki dump?
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07:09<Alan_Smith>Hi There,
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07:10<Alan_Smith>Our site is hosted on what is now regarded as an obsolete server
07:10<Alan_Smith>can it be moved?
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07:12<nate>Alan_Smith: You mean like old linode hardware? You should see a "Free pending upgrade" thing in your linode manager for individual linodes that have an upgradable option
07:13<nate>(eg; pre-hardware upgrades, old servers, etc)
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07:49<linbot>New news from status: Emergency Maintenance - Dallas connectivity issues <https://status.linode.com/incidents/y8kzxnbb2wqx>
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07:59<marcus_>Hi guys
07:59<marcus_>does linode use KVM?
07:59<linbot>New news from status: Emergency Maintenance - Dallas Connectivity <https://status.linode.com/incidents/y8kzxnbb2wqx>
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08:00<@nbrewer>marcus123: yes
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08:01<marcus123>any idea what networking they are using in KVM? is it tap?
08:03<dwfreed>virtio
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08:04<dwfreed>if you're running in full-virt mode, you'll get a full ethernet interface; note that in any case, you cannot change your mac address, and you cannot use ethernet protocols other than ARP, IPv4, and IPv6
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08:05<marcus123>I was looking here: http://wiki.qemu.org/Documentation/Networking
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08:06<marcus123>and it seems there are two differen things. The virtual interface, intel, relatek, virtio etc
08:06<marcus123>and also the mechanism used to get the data between the host and guess OS (eg slirp, tap etc)
08:07<dwfreed>it is either tap or VDE; which of those two is irrelevant
08:07<marcus123>ok
08:08<dwfreed>it's definitely not SLIRP, because that is not performant :)
08:08<marcus123>ok :)
08:09<marcus123>reason i ask is i'm streaming video upto the servers and it works fine (not the problem lol)
08:09<marcus123>because linode don't have that many locations I'm using other providers as well
08:09<marcus123>they also use KVM, but i'm finding on at least half of them there seems to be a kind of slow start to the connection
08:09<marcus123>it drops the first large packet ever time, and ignores the retransmit
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08:10<marcus123>ofc this isn't a linode problem, but i was trying to figure out what it could be
08:10<marcus123>either it's some slow start tcp on the host os, a router/firewall they are using, or the kvm config
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08:29<linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • Custom CPU socket vs core KVM Configuration <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14505&p=72572#p72572> || Web Servers and Web App Development • Nginx & Wordpress Multisite error. please help. <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14475&p=72571#p72571>
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09:39<linoaudasd>hello
09:39<linoaudasd>is anyone from linode support here?
09:39<linoaudasd>i cant get into my account
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09:42<DrJ>linoaudasd, did you forget your username/password?
09:42<DrJ>if so, there should be recovery links
09:42<DrJ>or can you not access a linode server on your account?
09:43<linoaudasd>i only just signed up, tried the recovery links, but still havent received any emails
09:43<linoaudasd>im sure its the right email bc ive got a billling receipt and linode welcome email
09:48<linoaudasd>just sent an email,, thanks for the help
09:50<gparent>send the rest of the digits to totallylegitsite.com
09:51<linoaudasd>im using a VCC which is at $0 now anyway, so i wouldnt mind
09:51<gparent>heh
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10:16<zifnab>SNy: i am.
10:16<zifnab>SNy: i need to throw it on github at some point
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10:20<linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • Custom CPU socket vs core KVM Configuration <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14505&p=72575#p72575>
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10:44<SNy>zifnab: I thought that name rang a bell when I stumbled across it this morning.
10:44<zifnab>yeah, i'm somehow in charge of infra for that project
10:44<zifnab>worked for inc for over a year doing the same shit
10:44<zifnab>(er, cyanogen inc)
10:45<SNy>Nice. I might have some specific questions in a while, then.
10:45<zifnab>yeah, sure
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10:47<gparent>is there a log of the execution of a stackscript?
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10:55<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
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11:00<cbirk>Eugene: lies
11:02<@jfred>he tells the truth
11:03<cbirk>lol
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11:21<john>Hello
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11:31<@jdfriedrikson>he wasn't yesterday...
11:32<AnMaster>I got a weird "Lassie initiated boot" message. I have not shut down the node, nor does it look like a orderly shutdown from the system logs. What happened?
11:32<AnMaster>Power outage in the london DC?
11:33<@jdfriedrikson>AnMaster: we'd put up a status for that
11:33<@jdfriedrikson>it's likely isolated to your Linode. Do you have a ticket open?
11:33<AnMaster>Nope I don't have a ticket open that I know of
11:34<AnMaster>I just want to know if it crashed or kernel oopsed or what happened
11:34<@jdfriedrikson>Linode Support would be able to look into that further if you do open one
11:34<AnMaster>Sure
11:34<@jdfriedrikson>can't really say
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11:55<Frank_>Hi, a public chatroom?
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11:56<Frank_>how can I contact Linode agent?
11:57<@jdfriedrikson>linode.com/contact
11:57<@jdfriedrikson>!contact
11:57<linbot>https://www.linode.com/contact
11:59<Frank_>Thank you, Friedrikson
12:00<Frank_>I am wondering the refund policy, i can't find it on the website
12:01<Frank_>is there a discount for annual plan?
12:01<@jdfriedrikson>no discounts for annual plans. things have not been done that way for years.
12:01<@jdfriedrikson>the refund policy is that if you cancel your account within 7 days of creation, you'll get all your money back
12:02<@jdfriedrikson>you do have to cancel your account and it does have to be under 7 days
12:03<Frank_>oh, I remember there is a 10% off for one year plan, is it still available?
12:03<Frank_>thank you again, Friedrikson
12:04<Frank_>I will check it
12:04<@jdfriedrikson>nope. it is not.
12:04<@jdfriedrikson>cool! glad I could help.
12:04<Frank_>:)
12:05<Frank_>Thanks, see you~
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13:30<linbot>New news from forum: Email/SMTP Related Forum • 1st Time install Wordpress <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14494&p=72576#p72576>
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15:01<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • Replicate Plesk Onyx own DNS in Linode DNS <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14506&p=72577#p72577>
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15:12<srj55>I'm using linode for DNS settings. My 3rd party mail host is asking for me to update settings. They're giving me this format: mail.mydomainname.com IN CNAME privateemail.com. Which is the hostname, which is the alias?
15:12<srj55>also: TXT v=spf1 include:spf.privateemail.com ~all ...what is the exact key/value in this string?
15:13<@jdfriedrikson>left is hostname. right is whatever you're pointing to
15:13<grawity>in the latter, "v=spf1 include:spf.privateemail.com ~all" is the value
15:14<grawity>if the 'key' wasn't given, it's the same as in the line before
15:14<@jdfriedrikson>you'd leave the key blank for spf
15:14<grawity>...ah, well yes, for SPF you'd want to put it on your root domain
15:15<srj55>ok, thanks. i will try it.
15:19<srj55>grawity: for the TXT record, the key can't be the same. Linode says it contains invalid chars. Does the name matter? My instructions are to add this DNS record: TXT v=spf1 include:spf.privateemail.com ~all
15:19<grawity>uh what exactly are you using as the 'key'
15:19<srj55>v=spf1 include:spf.privateemail.com ~all for both key and value
15:20<@jdfriedrikson>noooooo
15:20<srj55>key=name
15:20<@jdfriedrikson>leave key blank
15:20<@jdfriedrikson>leave the name blank
15:20<srj55>roger that.
15:20<@jdfriedrikson>o7
15:21<srj55>also, instructions have a period at the end of doamin. e.g. MX mx1.privateemail.com. do i need this period?
15:21<@jdfriedrikson>doesn't really matter
15:22<@jdfriedrikson>technically it's more correct, but bind isn't stupid and knows what you mean
15:22<grawity>more like linode's web ui knows what you mean
15:22<grawity>bind won't second-guess what you entered
15:23<srj55>ok, last one: _autodiscover._tcp.mydomainname.com IN SRV 0 443 privateemail.com. how to map this to linode: service, protocol, targert, etc..
15:23<grawity>names without the trailing dot are relative to the "current domain", so you might accidentally end up with mx1.privatemail.com.mydomain.com. if you forget the dot
15:24<srj55>grawity: ok, i'll add it. thanks
15:25<grawity>(some web managers always assume an absolute name so they don't need the dot – but adding one where asked won't hurt usually)
15:25<Peng>srj55: https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/dns/dns-records-an-introduction/#srv
15:26<grawity>as for SRV, service="_autodiscover" protocol="_tcp" priority=0 weight=0 port=443 target="privateemail.com."
15:27<srj55>grawity: ok, for protocol, i can only choose tcp, not _tcp
15:27<grawity>same thing
15:27<grawity>in that case I guess you don't need the _ in service either?
15:28<srj55>grawity: i'll try it with the _. In 15-20 min, i'll see if I can receive email!
15:28<grawity>autodiscover is there just so that you could set up Outlook faster
15:29<grawity>in case you used MS Outlook that is
15:29<grawity>MX is the important one for incoming mail
15:29<srj55>ok
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15:33<anurag>hi.. i want someone to suggest me a good plan
15:33<@nbrewer>the plans are all here: https://www.linode.com/pricing
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15:33<@nbrewer>what are you planning to do with your Linode?
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15:34<anurag>thanks.. but i have a Skill assessment platform.. which is just about to be moved from sandbox to production.. it has to support a minimum of 1500 concurrent users
15:35<anurag>was wondering what plan should i go with
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15:36<@mcintosh>anurag: start with a Linode 2GB and resize it to a larger Linode if it's not performant enough for you
15:37<anurag>are you sure if 2gb ramis enough?
15:37<anurag>for 1500 concurrent users?
15:37<@nbrewer>that has a lot more to do with the application itself, and how it's configured
15:37<@nbrewer>without an in-depth knowledge of your platform we wouldn't be able to say for sure
15:38<anurag>any metrics i need to provide? It has Questions.. bit like exam portals.. MCQs, Programming questions .. evaluation
15:39<anurag>students come and appear for exams..
15:39<anurag>are the above plans provide dedicated server?
15:40<anurag>do*
15:40<@nbrewer>anurag: do you have a developer or system administrator assisting you with this? if you're not sure what underlying applications are being used to run the exam...thing, you may have some trouble getting it set up on a Linode.
15:40<@nbrewer>Linodes are not dedicated servers.
15:40<anurag>I am the CTO..
15:40<anurag>php, mysql
15:40<anurag>python
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15:41<grawity>they do provide a dedicated OS, but not dedicated hardware
15:41<@nbrewer>okay, well MySQL can be rather resource intensive with a lot of users, particularly when it comes to memory..at least in my experience.
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15:42<anurag>alright... may i know what is the performance difference with dedicated/non-dedicated? pros/cons
15:43<@caker>depends on specs... But in general, our hardware is way better than most dedis
15:43<@nbrewer>this^ i have dedicated stuff as well, and for the same price the hardware tends to be much better on a Linode.
15:44<anurag>some company.. codero.. providing dedicated 16GB, XEON
15:44<anurag>dont know how to compare
15:44<anurag>i just want the exams to run smooth.. for the 1500 audience
15:45<@nbrewer>i'd compare the model of the processor for sure, a lot of dedicated hosts are running older ones. also many of them still use HDDs, at least the last time i was in the market for one.
15:46<anurag>right.. so can linode assure me 100% uptime?
15:46<@jdfriedrikson>we can assue 99.9%
15:46<@jdfriedrikson>assure*
15:46<anurag>okay
15:46<@jdfriedrikson>how long have you been a CTO? Do you know of anyone that offers 100%?
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15:47<anurag>codero just did haha
15:47<@nbrewer>100% uptime is a matter of configuration, if you want 100% uptime you'd need to have a high availability setup of some kind.
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15:47<@nbrewer>one machine is a single point of failure and over a long enough timeline that percentage is going to drop.
15:48<anurag>i am still confused.. mysql is resource intensive.. so whats enough for 1500 users?
15:48<@jdfriedrikson>methinks codero will end up paying out at some point. cute though.
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15:49<@nbrewer>anurag: no one is going to be able to tell you for sure, there's a lot of factors that go into it. with that many users though, i'd look at the 4GB or even 8GB plan as a starting point.
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15:49<anurag>okay
15:50<anurag>any caching service provided by linode?
15:50<@jdfriedrikson>!nodebalancer
15:50<@jdfriedrikson>!nb
15:50<@jdfriedrikson>boo
15:50<@nbrewer>...
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15:51<@jdfriedrikson>!nodebalancers
15:51<linbot>NodeBalancers let you balance load of HTTP or generic TCP services across several Linodes. http://www.linode.com/nodebalancers/
15:51<@jdfriedrikson>heyooooo
15:51<@jdfriedrikson>^
15:51<anurag>so you recommend NBs?
15:51<@nbrewer>if you have multiple Linodes, yes.
15:51<@jleal>Thats for Load Balancing, not caching - Linode does not have a turn-key product that performs caching, but theres nothing stopping you from configuring varnish/memcached on your Linode :)
15:52<@nbrewer>if you mean caching in the sense of a cdn or something, we don't have a specific product like that but you can use just about any caching service with us.
15:52<@jdfriedrikson>jleal: I thought NBs cached too o_o
15:53<arlen>nope
15:53<anurag>so if i have two 8GB boxes with NBs ? sounds like a bulletproof solution?
15:53<arlen>nothing is bulletproof
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15:53<cruxeternus>Nothing's bulletproof... a tornado could knock out the datacenter
15:54<cruxeternus>It's all redundancy by degrees
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15:54<@jdfriedrikson>that's why I find the claim of 100% uptime hilarious
15:54<anurag>is two 8GB boxes a better combo or one 12 GB ?
15:55<@jdfriedrikson>if you've got some sort of clustering thing going on, 2 8GB would be better
15:55<@caker>scaling out is always better than scaling up
15:55<@caker>well, YMMV - but in most cases, of course
15:56<anurag>so will the support team help me configure it?
15:56<anurag>or i have to do it? i have no f*****g idea
15:56<arlen>if you pay for professional services
15:56<@caker>Nope. System administration is up to you ... we do have a team you can hire for project work
15:56<anurag>how much do they take for this?
15:57<anurag>setting up two 8gb
15:57<arlen>depends on the project
15:57<anurag>whom should i talk to
15:57<anurag>i want this done quick
15:57<@nbrewer>anurdpeneds on the project, if you're interested in a quite you can get started by filling out their scoping form: https://www.linode.com/professional-services
15:57<@nbrewer>erm, messed up the name a bit there
15:58<@nbrewer>anurag: ^
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15:58<fission6>how can i review the hardware specs of my linode
15:58<@nbrewer>s/quite/quote
15:58<@jdfriedrikson>fission6: spin one up and lscpu
15:58<@jdfriedrikson>lspci*
15:59<fission6>command not found
15:59<@nbrewer>or, depending on what you want to know you can likely find it in the Dashboard of the Linode Manager as well
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15:59<fission6>i have a 4 year old linode and its hard to make what i have to pricing
15:59<@jdfriedrikson>you'll probably have to grab pciutils or some package for it
15:59<Eugene>jdfriedrikson - https://vomitb.in/FEycAolLxV
15:59<@jdfriedrikson>https://www.linode.com/linodes
15:59<@jdfriedrikson>oh look, it's paravirt
15:59<Eugene>Here's `dmidecode` https://vomitb.in/WEkyDaP7UD
16:00<Eugene>Yup, you get a KVM para- or full-virt guest.
16:00<@jdfriedrikson>oh look. it's also virtualized
16:01<Eugene>Neither of those seem to list the specific CPU model; on this 2GB it is a Xeon E5-2680 v3; I believe different hosts have slightly newer or older chips. YMMV.
16:02<@nbrewer>fission6: if you want to line up your plan / price and see how it compares to our current generation of plans, you may be better off opening a support ticket from the Linode Manager. That way we'll be able to see all the details.
16:03<cbirk>emacs vs vim
16:03<cbirk>go.
16:03*cbirk afk
16:03<Eugene>emacs is a great OS; it even includes vim as a plugin so you can edit text.
16:04<@nbrewer>if i can't use my editor to browse the web then i don't know what all of this has been for
16:05<Eugene>Of course this exists https://github.com/diepm/vim-rest-console
16:07<@jdfriedrikson>that's pretty fancy
16:08<anurag>can i implement caching using redis?
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16:09<tmberg>jdfriedrikson: You sound so Swedish that i have to ask if you are? :)
16:09<fission6>nbrewer: thanks
16:09<@jdfriedrikson>actually I am of Estonian descent. It's just that other countries in the viscinity of Estonia are not very peaceful, so I bear another culture's name :p
16:10<@jdfriedrikson>s/are/were/
16:10<millisa>too late. i'm now reading everything you type in an accent with 'bork bork bork' added to the end.
16:10<@jdfriedrikson>that's jfred. pretty sure he's a swede
16:10<millisa>(bork bork bork)
16:11<tmberg>jdfriedrikson: Ah. Ok.
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16:11<@jdfriedrikson> /akick millisa :D
16:11<millisa>:)
16:11<Eugene>I picture all Linode employees as generic NJ mob enforcers
16:11<@mcintosh>anurag: are you asking if that's technically possible? sure
16:11<@jdfriedrikson>that was actually my previous job
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16:13<anurag>hi.. need an answer
16:13<anurag>will 4GB box scale to 8GB if load is more
16:14<anurag>?
16:14<millisa>https://www.linode.com/docs/migrate-to-linode/disk-images/resizing-a-linode
16:14<relidy>anurag: Not automatically, but you can manually resize it.
16:14<nate>anurag: Linodes are a static size, you have to upgrade and resize it yourself if needed
16:15<@jdfriedrikson>cluster cluster cluster
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16:15<@jdfriedrikson>as mr caker said, scale out and not up
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16:15<anurag>okay.. is 12 GB single linode enough to support 1500 users? LAMP stack
16:15<arlen>potato
16:16<@jdfriedrikson>aaaand you're still putting your eggs in one basket. bork bork bork.
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16:16<@jdfriedrikson>it should be adequate (maybe). it honestly depends on what kind of code you're running and also the amount of transactions you'll expect
16:16<cruxeternus>anurag: Are you coming from another infrastructure? Maybe we can compare to that.
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16:17<anurag>cruxternus : its hosted in t2micro now.. but now its time for some stress testing
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16:18<cruxeternus>Well, a 12GB Linode would probably handle about 12 times as much traffic as a t2.micro :P
16:18<cruxeternus>(give or take)
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16:19<cruxeternus>Obviously there are hundreds of factors though.
16:19<anurag>i see.. how do i consult an expert?
16:20<anurag>are you available over skype?
16:20<cruxeternus>You've been talking to some of the world's smartest people about Cloud hosting :P
16:20<cruxeternus>(The ones with the @'s.)
16:20<jcanto>???
16:20<anurag>haha.. i know @crux
16:21<anurag>two 8GB linodes with Nodebalancer.. looks like a beast?
16:22<@jdfriedrikson>cruxeternus: :D it's nice to get some credit
16:22<jcanto>a super beast compared with a t2.micro
16:22<cruxeternus>If you've got a mostly read LAMP load, that will probably take you quite far.
16:23<cruxeternus>An even better layout might be 2 4GB nodes for web frontends and 1 8GB node for a DB backend.
16:23<anurag>t2micro was for development and testing
16:23<cruxeternus>Depends on your architecture
16:23<anurag>now its hitting real waters
16:24<anurag>crux: will separating web frotends and backends slow up the system?
16:24<cruxeternus>It certainly could... but it's often best practice for most designs
16:25<@jdfriedrikson>if you have low latency, probably not
16:25<@jdfriedrikson>well wait. ugh what am I saying? I'm tired.
16:25<anurag>who controls latency?
16:25<cruxeternus>You'll probably gain more though from having more cpus and mem dedicated to caching. idk.
16:25<@jdfriedrikson>thought you were asking about DB and other backend components
16:25<@jdfriedrikson>anurag: the networking gods
16:25<@jdfriedrikson>(or physics)
16:25<cruxeternus>aka aforster
16:26<@jdfriedrikson>^
16:26<anurag>alright
16:26<anurag>thanks gentle men
16:26<cruxeternus>But seriously.. your latency would be the delay between linodes on the private, internal LAN
16:27<cruxeternus>Usually a matter of a millisecond or two
16:27<@jdfriedrikson>bandwith is gigabit too which is nice
16:27<cruxeternus>If each web hit only requires a small amount of DB hits, users won't notice
16:28<cruxeternus>if each web hit requires dozens of DB hits.. the latency might start to add up
16:29<anurag>one last thought.. i am starting with 4 GB linode and see how it goes and increase Ram and other stuffs to adjust the thing
16:29<anurag>will the Public IP change if I increased to a better linode?
16:29<cruxeternus>Sounds like a good plan... it'll give you a good idea of how everything works
16:29<cruxeternus>nope
16:29<cruxeternus>you get to keep your IP in that situation
16:30<cruxeternus>You can also swap your IPs between Linodes, in the same datacenter
16:30<anurag>woow
16:30<anurag>sounds cool
16:30<cruxeternus>(if you ever want to do a complete reinstall, etc.)
16:30<cruxeternus>And get a (near)-instant switchover
16:30<cruxeternus>it takes a few seconds, iirc
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16:31<cruxeternus>But of course, you can just do an inplace upgrade, and everything will carry over
16:31<cruxeternus>It does require a transfer/reboot, which may take aminute or two, but nothing needs to be reconfigured.
16:31<@jdfriedrikson>please look into HA though https://welcome.linode.com/high-availability-wp/
16:32<@jdfriedrikson>if you rely on your hosting provider to perform perfectly in accordance with their SLA, you're doing it wrong
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16:35<anurag>need help with server location
16:36<anurag>what option to choose
16:36<@jdfriedrikson>which one is close to you?
16:36<anurag>singapore
16:36<anurag>any pricing differences?
16:36<@jdfriedrikson>nope
16:37<@jdfriedrikson>looks like your ISP registered in West Bengal so Singapore will likely do fine
16:37<@jdfriedrikson>I would recommend Shinagawa next. Then maybe Fremont
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16:38<anurag>thanks
16:38<@jdfriedrikson>I can't wait for our Congo datacenter
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16:40<@jdfriedrikson>(kidding)
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16:42<@jdfriedrikson>anurag: https://www.linode.com/speedtest
16:42<anurag>thanks jd
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16:45<cruxeternus>Congo datacenter would probably end up giving me the best routing
16:47<@jdfriedrikson>every host gets a mandatory pair of congos
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18:21<madssingers>Hello
18:22*madssingers slaps ttaylor around a bit with a large fishbot
18:23<madssingers>How can I access my Putty again? I lost my access the time I remove the key_gen.
18:24*madssingers slaps Bobseviltwin around a bit with a large fishbot
18:25<millisa>You can use the lish console to fix up any key issues. https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/using-the-linode-shell-lish
18:26<cbirk>lawl
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18:30<MajObviousman>madssingers: what are you doing pointing a loaded fish at someone?
18:30<MajObviousman>never aim at something you're not willing to shoot
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18:33<FluffyFoxeh>[15:45:33] <@nbrewer> i'd compare the model of the processor for sure, a lot of dedicated hosts are running older ones. also many of them still use HDDs, at least the last time i was in the market for one.
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18:33<FluffyFoxeh>there are SSD dedis, but HDD ones have a lot more storage for obvious reasons
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18:34<FluffyFoxeh>personally I prefer the extra storage; that's the main thing you can't get on a VPS
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18:41<mj>is anyone here?
18:41<millisa>lots of people
18:41<mj>lol
18:41<mj>millisa
18:41<mj>if I get 2 servers can I put them on a private subnet?
18:41<mj>so I can access the database securely
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18:43<@nbrewer>mj: you can use the private network, but it's connectable to any other ip address on the private network. you'd likely want to use a second layer of security - whether that's at the application level, or via a firewall or stunnel / vpn or something
18:44<Ikaros>Indeed. Two instances in the same datacenter can communicate over a private network, but so can others in the same datacenter too, you'll want to use strong passwords, iptables firewalling, etc to ensure yours and only yours can communicate with eachother over that network.
18:45<Ikaros>Simply put, don't trust the entire private subnet through a firewall or other restriction.
18:48<Eugene>TLS is a good idea, even over local sockets for the sufficiently paranoid.
18:50<dwfreed>it came from inside the house
18:50<mj>HAHA Eugene
18:51<dwfreed>Eugene: if they can tcpdump the local socket, they can read the memory containing the session key and decrypt it, too
18:51<dzho>in fact, you should just write a kernel that handles all operations via homomorphic encryption, so that your data never hits the machine unencrypted.
18:51<mj>WTF?
18:51<mj>lol
18:52<mj>dzho, wow
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18:52<dzho>mj: would you like to buy a bridge?
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18:52<FluffyFoxeh>I do! I do!
18:52<dzho>;-)
18:52<mj>Yes 2 PLEASE
18:53<mj>lol
18:53<Eugene>dwfreed - yeah, but you still get the TLS PKI for free when you decide to expand to another node later
18:53<dzho>FluffyFoxeh: ok great when you get it let mj know, 'kay?
18:53<FluffyFoxeh>[18:51:13] <dzho> in fact, you should just write a kernel that handles all operations via homomorphic encryption,
18:53<FluffyFoxeh>I read "homophobic encryption"
18:54<mj>dwfreed................ is that true........... just by tcpdump, they can grab the key by TCP dump? Private key?
18:54<dwfreed>no
18:54<dzho>FluffyFoxeh: things that are not the same ...
18:55<mj>thanks............... so if I use mySQL I will want to communicate via SSL/TLS
18:55<FluffyFoxeh>over the private network? can't hurt
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18:55<Eugene>I recommend it, yes.
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18:56<@nbrewer>..............yes
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18:56<Eugene>The important question is what color should the certificates be
18:56<FluffyFoxeh>orange
18:57<dwfreed>nbrewer: one more dot and you would have lined that up
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18:57<@nbrewer>i know i was really disappointed with myself about that after the fact
18:58<FluffyFoxeh>my client aligns messages
18:59<dwfreed>what I see (skipping the two quits in the middle):
18:59<dwfreed>2017-01-23 23:55:58 < Eugene> I recommend it, yes.
18:59<dwfreed>2017-01-23 23:56:15 <@nbrewer> ..............yes
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19:00<@nbrewer>yes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fF0Havte3Os
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19:11<mj>This may be a stupid question, but if I had 2 servers could I create a virtual interface on both sides and use that as my private subnet?
19:12<mj>Of course assign both IP's on same subnet/netmask
19:13<Peng>Not really, no.
19:13<Peng>Sort of.
19:13<Peng>You can't send traffic with fake source IPs.
19:13<Peng>But you can set up some sort of VPN, and tunnel whatever you want.
19:13<Eugene>You can only use the IP addresses assigned to you. You can use OpenVPN or GRE tunnels and do whatever you want in there
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19:34<mj>thanks Peng and Eugene
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19:52<linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • Custom CPU socket vs core KVM Configuration <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14505&p=72578#p72578>
19:53<FluffyFoxeh>chips?
20:02<linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • Custom CPU socket vs core KVM Configuration <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14505&p=72580#p72580> || General Discussion • Ok to disable, or have really high, notification threshholds? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14501&p=72579#p72579>
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20:04<cbirk>how is babby formed?
20:05<JeremyE77>C169723H270464N45688O52243S912
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20:22<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Ok to disable, or have really high, notification threshholds? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14501&p=72581#p72581>
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21:04<sads>hello
21:04<sads>anybody here?
21:05<sads>do you support alipay to pay it?
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21:06<arlen>no
21:06<arlen>payment methods listed at https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/billing-and-payments
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21:08<sads>thanks
21:08<arlen>welcome
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21:37<FluffyFoxeh>what the hell is alipay
21:37<FluffyFoxeh>is this like aliexpress
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22:37<arlen>Chinese payment processor
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23:06<Ikaros>Urgh, nothing I wanna watch right now
23:06<Ikaros>No TV
23:06<Ikaros>:(
23:06<Ikaros>Quick someone give me a programming idea
23:07<Peng>Program a TV to watch Supergirl :D
23:07<Ikaros>Pfft
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23:07<Ikaros>Yeah Peng you're no help
23:08<Peng>why on't you program a Pengbot then!
23:08<Peng>don't*
23:08<Ikaros>...yeah...I just had to ask the question at the wrong time didn't I
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23:53<FluffyFoxeh>Ikaros: watch Tim and Eric Awesome Show, Great Job!
23:53<FluffyFoxeh>the version I've got looks jpegged :(
23:53<FluffyFoxeh>is it even possible to jpeg a video?
23:54<arlen>yes
23:55<arlen>frame by frame
23:56<FluffyFoxeh>yeah but that would be silly
23:57<Ikaros>Pfeh, no, I'm involved in bot cleanup on my network actually.
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23:57<arlen>cleanup aisle #
23:58<FluffyFoxeh>3
23:58<zoannon>hi
23:58<FluffyFoxeh>3
23:58<FluffyFoxeh>hi
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23:58<zoannon>my ip shows that cpanel is cancelled - i want to do the trial is there a way to reset ?
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23:59<arlen>ask cpanel
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