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---Logopened Wed Jan 25 00:00:16 2017
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00:11<coteyr>Any problems that would take a server down ATM, the only thing I saw on the status page was DNS resolvers.
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00:12<coteyr>Never mind just got the faulty hardware notice email
00:13<arlen>sorry for your loss
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02:01<swagportal>helle everyone
02:01<swagportal>hello
02:03<swagportal>anyone here?
02:03<swagportal>i need to help
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02:03<Ikaros>If you need help just ask
02:04<Ikaros>Don't join then first thing you do ask if someone's here
02:04<swagportal>ok...thanks
02:04<swagportal>i have domain on dyn.com
02:05<swagportal>I have just build a site on linode
02:05<swagportal>how to point my domain to my site on linode
02:05<Ikaros>Add an address record for it
02:05<Ikaros>Set it to the IP of your Linode.
02:06<swagportal>If i change a record that can point to the new ip, will the linode dns work?
02:06<Ikaros>Depends who controls your DNS. If you got it through Dyn then I'd imagine it's through their interface.
02:07<grawity>if you want to use Dyn for management, but Linode for the website, then only change A/AAAA records
02:07<Ikaros>^
02:07<grawity>if you want to use Linode for website *and* DNS management, then change NS records (nameservers / DNS servers)
02:10<swagportal>I have no choice. I have to add A record from DYN, and set it to the linode site IP
02:11<swagportal>But what im confusing is mail server nam
02:11<swagportal>will it work if i add mail server name to mx record on linode dns management?
02:13<grawity>no
02:13<swagportal>That's why
02:13<swagportal>I want all thing will work
02:13<grawity>either the domai is delegated to Dyn's DNS servers *or* to Linode's DNS servers
02:13<swagportal>including the email, ...
02:14<grawity>but I'm pretty sure Dyn lets you set up MX?
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02:15<swagportal>hhmm,,, let me take a look my dyn, not sure that can be
02:23<swagportal>acttually, Mail Exchangers on my DYN is google
02:25<swagportal>i will do more reseach, thank you, grawity
02:25<swagportal>Thanks for your replied, grawity
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02:55<ashish_>Hi
02:56<ashish_>i am looking to install Magento 2.0
02:56<ashish_>will you guys will prowide me CPanle?
02:56<ashish_>CPanel
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02:59<kyhwana>ashish_: nope, you have to buy/install it yourself, unless you pay for managed linodes ($100 per linode per month)
03:01<ashish_>ok
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03:35<rick111>ahh magento, the bad old days
03:36<rick111>i just got lost in the code, i'm sure it's fine if you know what you're doing
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04:32<Sovandara>Hi
04:32<Sovandara>I need Linode 48GB
04:33<Sovandara>I want to hosting in ASIA
04:35<ponas>Sovandara: that can be ordered from the website in either Singapore or Tokyo
04:36<Sovandara>So the price is the same for all region right?
04:36<ponas>yes
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04:36<Sovandara>Ok thanks
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05:07<Zimsky>didn't know reading a website was so difficult
05:07<dwfreed>it's very difficult
05:08<Zimsky>perhaps linode should be implementing accessibility support
05:12<ponas>that's 90% of the purpose of this channel
05:12<ponas>website reading and google search assistance
05:20<Zimsky>that's what this channel is /used/ for
05:20<Zimsky>the purpose is different
05:22<rick111>what's the purpose
05:23<Zimsky>for my bellowings of "you know nothing", rick111
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05:39<rick111>lol
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05:40<rick111>well, I think both criteria are being met
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06:13<JamesTK>rick111: you know nothing
06:21<rick111>haha
06:21<rick111>you god damn right
06:21<arlen>this channel is for fish slaps and hugs
06:22*arlen slaps you with a fish hug
06:40<Zimsky>arlen please leave
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06:40<Zimsky>Cromulent please leave
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06:41<arlen>:(
06:43<Cromulent>Zimsky: why?
06:44<Zimsky>why not
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06:48<Cromulent>Zimsky: just wondering why you have a problem with me is all
06:48<Zimsky>unlimited juice
06:48<Cromulent>ah
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06:49<Zimsky>I'dn't've said it if I'dn't've meant it
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07:17<jay__>hello
07:17<Cromulent>hi
07:18<jay__>iwant change my hosting to linode
07:18<Cromulent>ok - what is stopping you?
07:18<jay__>you provaide any cpanel
07:18<Cromulent>no but you can install your own if you want (cPanel also comes for free with managed)
07:19<jay__>ok
07:19<jay__>i dont know how to install can u provide any tutorials
07:20<Cromulent>the control panel website you choose will have documentation on their website for how to install it - it really depends on what control panel you want to use
07:22<jay__>i want host php site
07:23<Cromulent>ok - that is pretty easy I host a few PHP sites myself
07:25<jay__>can u provide tutorial for host dynamic php site
07:30<arlen>https://linode.com/docs
07:31<arlen>lots there
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10:32<Anax>Hi there guys. I have a question about Linode storage. Imagine that I bought a Linode 2GB and after some usage, I run out of disc storage, I have the option to just add extra storage without upgrading the whole Linode?..Like Digital Ocean add Block storage?
10:32<Peng>Short answer: No. Long answer: Not yet. :-)
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10:35<Anax>Ok. Thanks..You should counsider that though beacause it gives the user more tranquility..I just want to use Linode, but that's a crucial decision point to me..
10:36<@mcintosh>Anax: it's something we're working towards
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10:37<@jdfriedrikson>tranquility is a high priority for us
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10:51<Anax>Yeah that's because I want to create a machine to install Elasticsearch and it will continualy index contents, it would be bad if it ran out of storage soace and me having to upgrade the entire machine just for more ssd storage
10:51<Anax>I think i wil create an account on both (Linode and DO) and see which will be the best to use
10:51<cbirk>elasticsearch sucks
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10:51<cbirk>and that is a scientific fact
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10:52<@jleal>cbirk: perhaps even an alternative fact? ;)
10:52<cbirk>jleal: hahah
10:52<Nivex>I wondered how long it would take someone to go there
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10:52<cbirk>elasticsearch is a prime example of what happens when VC's dont want to be wrong
10:53<Nivex>what alternative do you recommend cbirk
10:53<cbirk>why has it come to that though?
10:53<cbirk>i can't recommend a decent alternative, i can just say the way etsy does elasticsearch is correct but unbelievable
10:53<Anax>Ok, cbirk: can you elaborate on your claim?..Papers, articles, something credible...Are welcome :)
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10:54<Peng>is it a good idea to run ElasticSearch off network storage anyway?
10:54<cbirk>lets dedicate an entire host to this piece of shit application
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10:55<Peng>I don't mean to insult block storage products, but they're never going to be quite as fast as good local storage.
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10:55<Nivex>Peng: no, but sometimes you just need a boatload of bits
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10:58<@jdfriedrikson>I can think of a couple use cases where I need to host several TB of storage while retaining high bandwidth and latency ;)
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10:59<hawk>high bandwidth and low latency, that is?
10:59<@jdfriedrikson>yeah that. I'm having pizza for breakfast. Get off my back.
11:00<@jdfriedrikson>>:)
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11:03<cbirk>absolutely barbaric
11:03<cbirk>Anax: I can substantiate this claim because i'm forced to use it often
11:03<cbirk>perhaps its our implementation of it
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11:05<cbirk>also, take a look at all the documentation on using stunnel with an elasticsearch cluster
11:05<@jdfriedrikson>> stunnel
11:05<@jdfriedrikson>lol
11:07<cbirk>jdfriedrikson: ?
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11:07<@jdfriedrikson>IMO if you're forced to use stunnel for it, the application is probably not that good
11:07<cbirk>yeah
11:07<cbirk>exactly
11:07<@jdfriedrikson>then again, last time I used it was with bitlbee... and... yeah
11:07<cbirk>they came out with their own shit
11:07<cbirk>'shield'
11:07<cbirk>but ive read that it isnt really encrypted in transit
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11:08<@jdfriedrikson>...did they try replacing SSL?
11:08<@jdfriedrikson>(TLS)
11:08<cbirk>no idea
11:08<cbirk>i refuse to have anything to do with the elk stack
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11:08<@jdfriedrikson>if that is the case, what a magnificent piece of shit. they forgot rule #1. yay marketing and VC.
11:09<ponas>the org I work at started pushing logs to ES half a year ago. currently at 20 TB :|
11:09<cbirk>LOL
11:09<cbirk>retention policy: yes
11:09<@jdfriedrikson>took a page from the NSA
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11:10<Nivex>So it's all shit and there's nothing better so we might as well just chuck it all
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11:11<ponas>retention policy is minimum 3, ideally 6 and maximum 24 months
11:11<cbirk>Nivex: talk about taking extremes
11:11<ponas>the security guys are doing some cool stuff with it though
11:11<cbirk>we had a homegrown log solution here that worked great
11:12<cbirk>but
11:12<cbirk>buzzwords
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11:12<@jdfriedrikson>is there a decent alternative to ELK? Grafana?
11:12<cbirk>splunk
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11:13<@jdfriedrikson>something FOSS?
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11:13<ponas>text file technology
11:14<cbirk>^
11:14<@jdfriedrikson>wheee!
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11:14<Nivex>ok I'll just grep my gigs of log files
11:14<cbirk>nivex is clearly triggered
11:14<@jdfriedrikson>be a good benchmark for ripgrep
11:14<Nivex>cbirk: not funny
11:14<cbirk>:P
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11:15<cbirk>hahahah
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11:16<@jdfriedrikson>where has this been all my life?
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11:17<cbirk>now, you too can ignore anyone who shares the opposite opinion of you
11:17<@jdfriedrikson>it's the american way
11:18<rick111>lol
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11:36<fantasymashups>Hello, with managed services if a port on my node balancer goes down can managed services come in and actually fix it for me? I've been using managed services and they never seem to actually fix anything but simply tell me how to fix it
11:36<fantasymashups>I figured managed services would be used to actually help fix things that break or are problematic and regular support could help me figure out how to fix it myself
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11:37<fantasymashups>If they won't actually fix issues I dont see much of a reason to spend the extra $100 per linode
11:37<fantasymashups>and it ends up taking like 3 hours to get a response and such
11:37<fantasymashups>I'm trying to figure out what I should be expecting with managed services
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11:38<@jdfriedrikson>we generally don't make lasting configuration changes
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11:38<@jdfriedrikson>but things like services crashing or your Linode needing to be reboot, we got that
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11:39<@jdfriedrikson>rebooted*
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11:40<fantasymashups>so what exactly am I getting with managed services then that I wouldn't otherwise get besides the pretty dashboard and monitors?
11:40<fantasymashups>I was under the impression that issues would be handled and fixed on a 24/7 response basis
11:40<@jdfriedrikson>a human doing firstt line troubleshooting
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11:42<fantasymashups>so if it's 5am and it goes down, they try to figure out the problem but we have to wait a few hours before anyone wakes up to fix it? Or we should hire another firm that watches it 24/7 as well and will actually fix it which at the point whats the point in managed services
11:42<fantasymashups>Seems like I'd have to pay an additional team eitherway
11:43<@jdfriedrikson>if it's something like an OOM, we'd restart services or reboot your box repeatedly until you get back to us
11:43<@jdfriedrikson>it honestly depends on an issue
11:43<@jdfriedrikson>the issue*
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11:45<fantasymashups>yea I understand but for instance my node balancer port 2053 is down for some reason and I put in a ticket asking why that might be down and if we could put a monitor on it
11:45<fantasymashups>It had been working for a couple weeks just fine
11:46<fantasymashups>and I dont recall touching the balancer
11:46<fantasymashups>was told our socket.io hadn't been working for 3 days
11:46<fantasymashups>not sure if they are able to go in and debug why the port is down and then remedy it if it's obvious
11:46<@jdfriedrikson>we'd be able to go in and investigate to our best ability, but we wouldn't be able to remedy it ourselves in most cases
11:47<@nbrewer>We wouldn't actually change your configuration files or anything like that.
11:47<@jdfriedrikson>do you really want someone on a $1200 salary making design and security decisions on your behalf?
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11:47<gbit>in other words, they will give it a kick :)
11:47<@jdfriedrikson>^
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11:48<@jdfriedrikson>managed is a kick service, not a systems administration service :/
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11:51<@nbrewer>jdfriedrikson: they're on paying you $1200 per year? you really need to work on your negotiating skills.
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11:52<@jdfriedrikson>I live in a box :'( I wish I had known I could get more
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11:57<fantasymashups>I guess I dont see the point in managed services then, I could write a reboot script that handles all of that in 5 minutes. :) Do you have any suggestions as to a real service that will go in and fix everything and handle monitors and response and everything?
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11:57<fantasymashups>Someone that linode recommends based on their ability to know linode and such
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11:57<fantasymashups>i am sure theres 3rd party vendors that will actually give it their best shot to fix it
11:57<@jdfriedrikson>I honestly don't know :(
11:57<fantasymashups>i figured managed services was good because $10 or $1500 paid person that works for linode should know a ton more than anyone else about linode
11:58<fantasymashups>I wasn't expecting them to go in and fix my code or anything lol
11:58<@jdfriedrikson>like I said, I'm sorry we can't serve your needs fully :(
11:58<hawk>fantasymashups: Fixing your application is likely more about knowing your application than about knowing Linode, though.
11:58<@jdfriedrikson>some people don't understand the distinction between their code and the stacks they're bulit on
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11:59<@jdfriedrikson>built*
11:59<fantasymashups>hawk that why i said i dont expect them to fix my application but if my node balancers port 2053 is down all of a sudden and i havent changed anything
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12:00<@jdfriedrikson>did the monitors go off at all?
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12:00<@jdfriedrikson>that's something that we would actually look into
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12:00<Scramblejams>Hi! I saw a blog post from 2011 indicating that inbound bandwidth is free. Is that still the case?
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12:01<@nbrewer>Scramblejams: that's correct
12:01<fantasymashups>nope but there wasnt a monitor on it but there will be now :) I opened up an urgent request to get some linode feedback and that was 30 minutes ago so I am not really sure what I am supposed to do in urgent situations like this, I was hoping to get some faster feedback with managed service requests
12:01<Scramblejams>nbrewer: Thanks
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12:01<fantasymashups>I put monitors on everything but sometimes hard to remember every single port and what not in some rare situations
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12:02<goose>Could anyone help me figure out why my IPv6 addresses didn't come back up after a reboot?
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12:02<@nbrewer>goose: are they multiple addresses, configured from a pool?
12:02<goose>nbrewer: yes
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12:02<@sclemens>fantasymashups what's the title of your ticket?
12:03<goose>followed the library guide, they're in my /etc/network/interfaces as the guide describes
12:03<@jdfriedrikson>sclemens: someone has it :)
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12:03<@sclemens>OK, good
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12:04<fantasymashups>sclemens "URGENT Balancer Port 2053 Down"
12:04<fantasymashups>thnx
12:05<fantasymashups>it's just tough cause i am getting pressure for our CEO to get everything relocated to a different data-center provider who can provide all the fixes and such 24/7 but I wanted to stick with linode because it's already all setup
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12:06<fantasymashups>and works well, i just need to figure out what third party response team to hire to monitor 24/7
12:06<goose>nbrewer: I don't think they're coming up at all, as I can't even ping6 them from the machine itself
12:06<@jdfriedrikson>fantasymashups: I don't know if there *is* a service outside of just having an oncall
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12:06<@jdfriedrikson>but I mean, oncalls aren't cheap (I've never hired one myself though)
12:06<@nbrewer>goose: could you let us see the contents of your /etc/network/interfaces?
12:07<@nbrewer>!paste
12:07<linbot>Please paste longer snippets over at https://bpaste.net/ and not in the channel
12:07<goose>of course. one moment
12:08<goose>https://bpaste.net/show/0c127a340846
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12:08<goose>I don't remember adding all those nameservers. but I doubt that's the issue
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12:09<MajObviousman>HoopyCat: oooh, you're #2 now
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12:12<@nbrewer>goose: what's your distribution / version?
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12:13<Futurimob>hii ??
12:13<@jdfriedrikson>hi????
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12:14<@nbrewer>anyway, i think you need to manually specify your ipv6 gateway (eg. gateway fe80::1)
12:14<goose>nbrewer: Debian Jessie
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12:15<goose>nbrewer: would I specify that for each iface eth0 inet6 static entry?
12:15<grawity>just one
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12:15<grawity>hmm, there's one "inet6 auto" line too ... but I wonder if ifupdown doesn't support different modes at once
12:16<goose>under the first one perhaps?
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12:17<grawity>maybe; doesn't really matter which one
12:17<@jdfriedrikson>ipv6 gate should be configured via slaac
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12:18<@jdfriedrikson>adding additional ips from the pool shouldn't that
12:18<@jdfriedrikson>admittedly, I haven't really played with our pooling features yet. presumably you still need the global ip configured for everything to work
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12:19<goose>alright. we'll see if this fixes it. I guess restarting networking will disconnect me from IRC. so be right back!
12:20<@jdfriedrikson>nice knowing ya
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12:20<@nbrewer>see the note about debian jessie here: https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/native-ipv6-networking#debian--ubuntu
12:20<@nbrewer>you need to configure the main address statically as well, and specify the gateway there
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12:21<@jdfriedrikson>that documentation is incorrect :/
12:21<@jdfriedrikson>iface eth0 inet6 auto
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12:21<@jdfriedrikson>you'd need interfaces for the additional addresses, but the main address can be done via SLAAC no problem and should be
12:22<@jdfriedrikson>it might be manual
12:23<@jdfriedrikson>oh wait, I'm just stupid. I had pizza for breakfast. carry on
12:24<@jdfriedrikson>nbrewer is correct (thanks jleal <3)
12:24<@jleal><3
12:24<rnowak>>:(
12:24*jleal pets rnowak
12:24<@jdfriedrikson>every day of my life is a lesson in humility
12:24<@jleal>there, there little buddy :)
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12:25<nav>hello
12:26<@nbrewer>nav: hello
12:26<@nbrewer>!ask
12:26<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
12:27<nav>anyone there?
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12:27<@nbrewer>yes
12:27<@nbrewer>yes I am here still.
12:27<@nbrewer>nav: what's up?
12:29<nav>actually i am using reseller hosting now.
12:29<nav>and i want to switch to linoe
12:29<nav>linode
12:30<@nbrewer>good choice
12:30<nav>in reseller hosting anyone can find out the actual hosting provider using some online tools like- https://hostadvice.com/tools/whois/ . so is it possible to hide this with linode?
12:31<@nbrewer>no
12:31<nav>anyways, how it is possible for them to find out this?
12:31<@nbrewer>you can use something like cloudflare to hide the actual IP address of your domain
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12:31<nav>yes but still they can find it. i Guess.
12:31<@nbrewer>but if someone does a whois on a Linode's IP address, it will confirm that the address does in fact belong to Linode.
12:31<goose>well, my connection didn't die
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12:32<nav>okay..
12:32<rnowak>want it to? handing out free klines
12:33<goose>lol access denied to https://manager.linode.com/linodes/config/web1?id=123456
12:33<goose>which is referred to in https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/network-helper
12:33<rnowak>that id 123456 looks a bit suspicious
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12:33<goose>nah it's good
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12:35<Zimsky>loosey goosey
12:35<goose>that is me!
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12:35<Zimsky>rnowak: >doesn't use os akill
12:36<rnowak>such modernities
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12:48<lambda>is linode running any promotions for new clients?
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12:49<Zimsky>λ, probably
12:49<@jdfriedrikson>Zimsky: lol
12:49<@nbrewer>lambda: we've usually got some promo codes you can use.
12:49<Zimsky>I believe there was a thing on the docs page
12:49<Zimsky>jdfriedrikson: lol @ u2
12:49<lambda>can you share some pls
12:49<Zimsky>¿
12:49<dwfreed>lambda: LINODE10 is a long standing promo code that'll give you $10 in free service
12:49<lambda>thx
12:50<@nbrewer>yep that's a good one.
12:50<Zimsky>as opposed to a bad promo code?
12:50<Zimsky>what, a promo code that charges you more?
12:50<rnowak>conmo
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12:50<HoopyCat>avoid the promo code for $10 setup
12:51<lambda>avoid? why?
12:51<grawity>this reminds me of that collab software we used to use
12:51<grawity>often vendors give you discounts the more licenses you get
12:51<Zimsky>λ, HoopyCat is kind of a big deal here, I'd listen to her imo
12:51<grawity>this one instead charged *more* per user
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12:52<lambda>ah
12:52<rnowak>it isn't unheard of that small tiers are cheaper per user than ones aimed at larger
12:52<HoopyCat>Zimsky: he/him/they/them for pronouns, but yeah, i am a cat, and cats are to be heeded =^.^=
12:53<Zimsky>at least your pronouns aren't xe/xim/xer/ajndnaskng/masjdngkjnaskf
12:53<Zimsky>I don't care about addressing people with the correct pronouns, so I just pick a random one I feel would cause annoyance (generally the opposite)
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12:54<Nivex>HoopyCat! long time no talk. How goes?
12:54<Zimsky>amigo!
12:54<Zimsky>it goes well, Nivex
12:54<Zimsky>thanks for asking
12:54<Zimsky>how are you?
12:54*Nivex has added Zimsky to shitlist (http://boingboing.net/2007/04/19/irc-gets-a-shitlist.html)
12:54<rnowak>ah, so you've joined my ranks, Zimsky, welcome
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12:55<Zimsky>I'm surprised I'm not already on your shitlist
12:55<Zimsky>that actually disappoints me more
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12:56<rnowak>it is a rather exclusive club, you must have spoken badly about ipv6 at some point
12:56<Zimsky>rnowak: and what would be your rank?
12:56<rnowak>honorary member of Nivex's shitlist
12:56<Zimsky>I speak rather highly of ipv6
12:56<Zimsky>I detest PHP at the core of my soul (if I had one) though
12:57<Zimsky>there aren't words strong enough for my displeasure with PHP, so I've just settled for "detest"
12:57<Zimsky>unless I start delving into german compounding
12:58<Zimsky>though I do have one question, rnowak
12:58<Zimsky>which is why you're not a plain member but rather an honorary member
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13:00<lambda>zimsky, I am new to this, do you have any experience with digital ocean? is linode better?
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13:00<Zimsky>linode is better than digital ocean
13:00<@jdfriedrikson>linode is better than digital ocean
13:00<Nivex>aww, it was almost an entire screen full of [shitlisted]
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13:00<lambda>like in terms of availability or?
13:00<rnowak>Zimsky: being a normal member sounds boring, so I may have added the epithet myself
13:00<@jdfriedrikson>just in terms of quality.
13:00<Zimsky>lambda: like, in terms of pretty much everything
13:00<lambda>ok
13:01<@jdfriedrikson>and subjectiveness
13:01<Zimsky>only benefit I can think of is if you like blue over green on your control panel
13:01<Zimsky>inb4 linode adds theming
13:01<@jdfriedrikson>Zimsky: if you have any questions about Digital Ocean, please feel free to give their support line a call ;)
13:02<trapsys>Any Linode Sales Person Around?
13:02<Zimsky>jdfriedrikson: I've never had any questions about them, nor would I want to call them, but thanks
13:02<lambda>they have more locations though...
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13:02<@nbrewer>trapsys: this a community channel, but the people with @ next to their name are Linode employees
13:02<@nbrewer>feel free to ask any questions you have
13:02<@jdfriedrikson>hmmm, no number https://www.digitalocean.com/company/contact/
13:02<Zimsky>lambda: so does the church of scientology
13:02<Zimsky>doesn't mean they're better
13:02<lambda>lol
13:03<Zimsky>yes that's a ridiculous comparison, but I don't care
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13:05<Zimsky>jdfriedrikson: I've also lost the ability of speech these days, so that wouldn't have worked out anyway
13:05<@jdfriedrikson>Zimsky: you're sort of bringing me down :(
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13:05<Zimsky>play me some ELO
13:07<Zimsky>in fact, jdfriedrikson, you got me running going out of my mind
13:08<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
13:09<Zimsky>I'll tell you once more before I get off the floor
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13:16<trapsys>@nbrewer: Is the a possibility of linode charge the yearly subscription at once??
13:16<@nbrewer>trapsys: we no longer offer yearly subscriptions, but you can pre-load credit to your account and it
13:16<@nbrewer>will be deducted automatically each month
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13:19<goose>well, I'm unsure of where I'm going wrong with my ipv6. without the "iface eth0 inet6 auto" line, I don't even get my 2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe67:5b1f address. with it that's the only one that comes up - https://bpaste.net/show/027039f43141
13:20<trapsys>@nbrewer: thank you
13:20<goose>I can't find any deviation from the guide though ( https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/native-ipv6-networking#debian--ubuntu )
13:20<trapsys>@nbrewer: can I run two nodes at the same time?
13:22<@jdfriedrikson>trapsys: you can run like a billion
13:22<goose>Linode would probably love you if you did lol
13:22<@jdfriedrikson><3
13:23<goose>the other weird thing is I can't restart my networking via "ifdown -a && ifup -a" or "service networking restart"
13:25<Nivex>well, auto and static are mutually exclusive
13:26<trapsys>@jdfriedrikson: if so, how can I access the second node from the primary one?
13:26<@jdfriedrikson>trapsys: what are you trying to do exactly?
13:26<@nbrewer>trapsys: if they're in the same data center, you can use the private network.
13:27<@jdfriedrikson>you'd use their IPs and a service that would communicate between them
13:27<Nivex>goose: I've never tried multiple static stanzas. On my node I have a single address and some calls to post-up
13:27<Nivex>https://p.6core.net/p/zkoNAFEglkRH9JLuU2O1t1lA
13:29<goose>Nivex: that sounds like magic that I don't know how to do! what's in /etc/ip6tables.conf ?
13:29<Nivex>just my firewall rules. allow some ports, drop the rest, throttle SSH, etc.
13:29<trapsys>@jdfriedrikson: We have partitioned our storage to run two nodes, primary and secondary, But always we have to shutdown the primary before we can access the secondary
13:30<goose>and if I'm understanding correctly, my interfaces should look like https://bpaste.net/show/c6c1b1997aff - correct?
13:31<@jdfriedrikson>trapsys: as in two disks?
13:31<@jdfriedrikson>you can't run two operating systems at once on a Linode
13:31<trapsys>@jdfriedrikson:exactly
13:32<@jdfriedrikson>I wouldn't call two disks two nodes
13:33<@jdfriedrikson>and you can't run two operating systems at once on any computer without virtualization
13:33<trapsys>@jdfriedrikson: true
13:38<goose>https://bpaste.net/show/23fcfcb98113 -- ifdown -a && ifup -a does not appear to want to play nice
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13:51<Nivex>try an ifup -av and see if you can figure out where exactly it's falling down
13:52<Zimsky>"you can't run two operating systems at once on a Linode"
13:53<Zimsky>evidently you're not trying hard enough
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13:53<Zimsky>loosey goosey
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13:54<dand1>any issue in london?
13:54<dand1>packet drop?
13:54<Nivex>nothing on the boards
13:54<Nivex>https://status.linode.com/ will always have the latest known
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14:07<dand1>Nivex: thanks
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14:33<alexf>did you turn if off and on again?
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14:54<dwfreed>alexf: so where'd you go?
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15:05<alexf>Out there, man
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15:11*Zimsky passes alexf
15:12<alexf>passes me what?
15:12<alexf>Is it on the left hand side?
15:12<@jdfriedrikson>alexf: on your left
15:13<alexf>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFtLONl4cNc&t=22s
15:14<Zimsky>alexf: on the right leg side
15:14*alexf ignores Zimsky
15:14<Zimsky>travel on the outer lane and pass on the right
15:14<Zimsky>again, it surprises me that you haven't already ignored me
15:14<Zimsky>take a leaf out of Nivex's book
15:15*Zimsky palm-slaps rnowak
15:16<dzho>do not taunt happy fun mowak
15:16<Zimsky>nice kerning
15:16<rnowak>!mowak
15:16<linbot>mowak is not a nick. Please see http://www.ironicsans.com/2008/02/idea_a_new_typography_term.html
15:17<Zimsky>rnowak: it's an alternate nick
15:17<Zimsky>ay ay ay
15:17<dzho>ITYM altemate nick
15:17<dzho>like altemate-facts
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15:20<Zimsky>I suck at drawing molecular structures
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15:20<Zimsky>every sodding benzene ring
15:21<rnowak>the funnest part of organic chemistry, thems be lotta drawing
15:21<dzho>practice practice practice
15:21<dzho>ALL THE ELECTRONS
15:22<Zimsky>dzho: sodium bromate
15:22<Zimsky>or sodium hypobromite
15:22<dzho>not a lot of aromatic rings in those
15:22<dzho>NEXT
15:22<Zimsky>no...
15:22<Zimsky>NaBrO
15:23<rnowak>apply the one-electron universe postulate, put a single dot on the page, and note that it'll be wherever it needs to be, precisely when it needs to be
15:23<dzho>TUNNELING IS REAL
15:23<dzho>teach the controversy
15:23<Zimsky>rnowak: hnnng
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15:24<Zimsky>... I drew two of the double bonds inside the ring, and the third outside
15:24<Zimsky>I'm done
15:24<rnowak>it isn't wrong, just questionable stylistic choice
15:24<Zimsky>I know
15:24<rnowak>a true rebel
15:25<Zimsky>but I write all my notes by hand
15:25<Zimsky>in fountain pen
15:25<rnowak>did you make the paper yourself?
15:25<Zimsky>yes
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15:28<TonyGonzalez>God day
15:28<FluffyFoxeh>dog day
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15:28<TonyGonzalez>I have a questions about the configuration zohomail with linode
15:30<TonyGonzalez>Anyone know how to configure zoho mail in linode
15:30<@jdfriedrikson>yeah
15:30<@jdfriedrikson>ish
15:30<TonyGonzalez>Help me please
15:31<@jdfriedrikson>but you should probably refine your question a bit before I put all of my energy into answering :)
15:31<@jdfriedrikson>!ask
15:31<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
15:31<TonyGonzalez>ok
15:33<TonyGonzalez>I need to help with the configuration of the email
15:33<@jdfriedrikson>I'm guessing DNS?
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15:33<@jdfriedrikson>you're gonna need mx and at least spf configured correctly
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15:33<@jdfriedrikson>https://www.zoho.com/mail/help/adminconsole/configure-email-delivery.html
15:33<TonyGonzalez>I am with a configuration email with the services ZohoMail
15:34<@jdfriedrikson>https://www.zoho.com/mail/help/adminconsole/spf-configuration.html
15:34<@jdfriedrikson>you're saying the same exact thing again and again. I'm trying to move the conversation forward. Which part are you stuck on?
15:36<TonyGonzalez> But emails, are not delivered. I already did the configuration that you indicate
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15:38<@jdfriedrikson>if you did it correctly, then there wouldn't be an issue. if you could share some information about your domain records I would probably be able to point out where you went wrong
15:38<@jdfriedrikson>a screenshot or something in a pastebin would suffice
15:38<@jdfriedrikson>!paste
15:38<linbot>Please paste longer snippets over at https://bpaste.net/ and not in the channel
15:38<alexf>TonyGonzalez: I strongly suggest you read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
15:38*alexf shamelessly self-promotes
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15:39<@jdfriedrikson>alexf: that was sneaky of you to add to linbot :p
15:40<alexf>jdfriedrikson: I didn't, dwfreed did
15:40<@jdfriedrikson>I don't think dwfreed has had access to linbot for years ;p
15:41<@jdfriedrikson>unless it's a community thing
15:41<alexf>I think you'd be surprised how insecure linbot really it
15:41<alexf>s/it/is
15:41<@jdfriedrikson>I don't know how things are run around here, I just work here
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15:42<@jdfriedrikson>I know mcintosh has been working on linbot a bit though :p
15:42<@jdfriedrikson>!urmom to mcintosh
15:42<linbot>jdfriedrikson: Yo momma's so pedantic, she opened a trouble ticket to request a correction to a previous yo momma joke.
15:43<@mcintosh>wrong order
15:43<@jdfriedrikson>that's actually really good. my mother isn't that pedantic though
15:43<@jdfriedrikson>maybe my father. but mostly it's just me. I don't know where I get it really.
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15:46*synfinatic definitely got it from my father
15:46<@jdfriedrikson>my father is the kind of person to have his desk organized a very specific way
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15:47<@jdfriedrikson>if it's anyone I get it from, it's him
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16:17<dwfreed>jdfriedrikson: linbot has a lot more lax permissions than you think
16:18<linbot>/me blushes
16:18<dwfreed>I don't have any special access, but I can add and remove aliases, and use the anonymous functions
16:18<linbot>I'm a real boy
16:18<dwfreed>I was the second one, I don't know who was the first
16:19<dwfreed>but whoever that was should use 'do' instead of 'say'
16:19<Eugene>I'm sad that you guys are too irresponsible for !vend to exist
16:19<dwfreed>irresponsible?
16:20<Eugene>It was disabled for overuse
16:20<linbot>Eugene: Yo momma's so fat they mistook her for the ninth planet!
16:20<coxn>Wed Jan 25 16:20:57 EST 2017
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16:39<@jdfriedrikson>coxn: ?
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17:33<Ttech>is there something going on with DNS?
17:33<Ttech>i haven't been able to resolve my domains since yesterday. I use linodes dns servers as slaves
17:34<millisa>I have several hundred domains on linode dns. haven't seen any issues myself.
17:34<@caker>resolving would be with resolvers - not auth dns servers.... what's in your /etc/resolv.conf and do you have them firewalled off, by chance?
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17:34<@caker>or is this from any machine (not Linodes) ?
17:34<Ttech>caker: remotely resolving
17:34<Ttech>not on linode. the linode is able to do things fine
17:35<millisa>example domain having the issue?
17:35<@caker>gotcha. hostname as an example?
17:35<Ttech>mostlynothing.info
17:35<Ttech>i alternate between nxdomain and servfail
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17:36<@jdfriedrikson>https://vomitb.in/nK0ONvwRcZ
17:36<@jdfriedrikson>what records do you have in place?
17:36<@jdfriedrikson>by the way, that's a sweet domain
17:36<Ttech>there's an @ and www there
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17:37<millisa>you have at least 1 linode running in the account with the dns, yes?
17:37<Ttech>yep
17:38<Ttech>and its happily resolving these domains there just fine. :|
17:38<@jdfriedrikson>are you using our dns manager or are you only using our domains via AXFR?
17:38<Ttech>slave/axfr only
17:38<@jdfriedrikson>s/domains/nameservers/
17:38<@jdfriedrikson>can you check the master?
17:38<Ttech>jdfriedrikson: master is the linode
17:38<@jdfriedrikson>...but can you check it?
17:38<Ttech>what do you want me to check? it can resolve the domains fine.
17:39<@jdfriedrikson>when's the last time a transfer was done?
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17:40<@jdfriedrikson>can you try notifying the slaves right now?
17:40<@jdfriedrikson>check logs? idk there's a reason to everything
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17:46<Ttech>jdfriedrikson: if i'm reading the logs its been quite a while, but I have iptables allowing in ns1-5.linode.com
17:46<@jdfriedrikson>can you try notifying the slaves manually?
17:46<dwfreed>except it's not ns1-5 anymore
17:46<Nivex>the intermediate slaves or the cloudflare IPs?
17:46<dwfreed>it's axfr1-5
17:46<Nivex>https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/dns/dns-manager-overview Note: In order for Linode’s DNS servers to function as slaves, your DNS master server must notify and allow AXFR requests to and from the follow IP addresses:
17:47<@jdfriedrikson>Ttech: https://vomitb.in/fOdVVqby4N
17:47<Ttech>dwfreed: oh
17:47<Ttech>guess it changed and I never noticed
17:47<@caker>same IPs as the old ns1-5 (intentionally)
17:48<@jdfriedrikson>Ttech: DDoS attacks against our nameservers about a year ago forced us to shield them behind CloudFlare
17:48<Ttech>interestingly, i ahve those ips
17:48<@jdfriedrikson>hmmm
17:48<dwfreed>are you notifying them explicitly?
17:48<@jdfriedrikson>^
17:48<Ttech>dwfreed: how would I do that?
17:49<dwfreed>notify explicit; also-notify { <ips>; };
17:50<dwfreed>my recommendation is to put a 'masters Linode { <ips>; };' block in the root, and then use 'also-notify { Linode; };'
17:51<dwfreed>https://vomitb.in/7Nh6I7I6GK this is a snippet from my actual BIND config file
17:52<dwfreed>that host does not have IPv6, but you can add IPv6 addresses to the masters block as well
17:54<coxn>jdfriedrikson: /exec -o date # ECHAN
17:54<Ttech>dwfreed: i've updated with the explicit notify
17:54<Ttech>i don't see anything in logs though
17:55<dwfreed>do 'rndc notify mostlynothing.info.'
17:55<dwfreed>then watch the logs
17:55<dwfreed>it can take a couple minutes for the AXFRs to roll in
17:55<Ttech>ok that did it
17:56<dwfreed>from now on, it should work on its own
17:56<Ttech>has to update though. >.> gah
17:56<Ttech>thanks for the tips though
17:56<dwfreed>thanks for reminding me I need to do updates on this VM
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19:12<Eliz>meanwhile, on that page,
19:12<Eliz>https://www.linode.com/docs/networking/dns/dns-manager-overview, that is, has two mentions of AXFR
19:13<Eliz>err, nevermind, I reread it, and it makes sense now ;)
19:13<@caker>one is for impo .. ok
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19:14<Eliz>caker: yeah, I had to reread it to get it, lol
19:14<Eliz>caker: just a blonde-but-not-blonde moment
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20:09<zifnab>i love seeing people use vomitb.in
20:10<zifnab>i keep trying to think of things i should add, then i realize "its probably good enough, it pastes things"
20:11<@caker>"Perfection is achieved, not when there is nothing more to add, but when there is nothing left to take away."
20:11<@caker>(in bed)
20:12<synfinatic>that's what she said
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20:14<zifnab>the "best" idea i've had in recent history is to add a /government-backdoor/ page
20:14<zifnab>that just randomly selects a paste to show
20:15<zifnab>decided against that one rather quickly
20:18<Eugene>I think you should do it anyway
20:24<synfinatic>just be sure to name it something subtle like: /api/v1/nsa-spying-firehose
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22:15<OrlandoCo>Hello?
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22:16<kyhwana>mew
22:16<OrlandoCo>any Linode admin here?
22:17<arlen>maybe
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22:17<arlen>!ask
22:17<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read http://alexfornuto.com/how-to-ask-for-help-on-irc/
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22:24<Ikaros>Well then, perhaps he went to file a ticket if he really needed Linode staff that bad.
22:24<kyhwana>welp
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