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05:03<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • MySQL Workbench TCP/IP over SSH help please. <>
05:03<timuza>hey there peeps. Anyone here a specialist on connecting to MySQL on the server through MySQL Workbench?
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05:18<Khetam1981>Please i need help
05:19<Khetam1981>I purchase package yestarday and i get the ip but i cant login in remote desktop
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05:20<Khetam1981>What password should i use to m
05:21<Khetam1981>To login via remot desktop
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05:30<EduardMe>Hi, is there a way to deploy frameworks like Ruby on Rails or Databases or do I have to install by hand?
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06:26<Depth>Any admins here?
06:26<Depth>Or someone thet can help?
06:27<jiggawattz>if you need admin rightaway you should open a ticket Depth
06:27<Peng>I'm not an admin, but maybe i can help. What's wrong?
06:27<Depth>I NEED to know where these linode servers are coming from
06:27<Depth>anyone can help?
06:28<Depth>Can someone answer the question
06:28<Depth>Where are the Linode Servers coming from
06:28<Peng>What do you mean?
06:28<Depth>Tokyo, France, Canada, Idk?
06:28<Depth>Does linode use cheap rented servers?
06:28<Peng> lists the cities.
06:29<Peng>Tokyo is one of them. France and Canada are not.
06:29<Peng>I believe Linode owns all of their expensive servers.
06:29<Depth>But where are they located?
06:29<Depth>oh ok
06:29<Depth>thats good
06:29<Peng>They're located in data centers in the cities listed on
06:29<Depth>So it is possible to make a vpn
06:30<Depth>yep I saw thanks!
06:30<Peng>Yes :)
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10:54<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • OpenVPN clients do not access Linode OpenVPN server iptables? <>
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11:04<linbot>New news from forum: Web Servers and Web App Development • MySQL Workbench TCP/IP over SSH help please. <>
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11:54<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • OpenVPN clients do not access Linode OpenVPN server iptables? <>
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12:04<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • OpenVPN clients do not access Linode OpenVPN server iptables? <> || Web Servers and Web App Development • MySQL Workbench TCP/IP over SSH help please. <>
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12:54<kof1789>hello ?
12:55<kof1789>anyone ?
12:55<kof1789>im searching for the countris ( ips ) of the linode servers
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12:55<kof1789>you have servers in europe ?
12:56<grawity>see for the datacenter list
12:59<kof1789>oh thank you !
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13:08<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
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13:52<jason_>linode vs digital ocean?
13:53<jason_>any body here?
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13:54<@nbrewer>jason_: what specific information are you looking for? you're likely to get a bit of a biased viewpoint here, but having used both I prefer Linode.
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13:54<@nbrewer>(disclaimer: I work at Linode)
13:54<hertz>Hi guys
13:55<jason_>can you please recommend?
13:55<@nbrewer>jason_: sure. if it's between Linode and DO, I recommend Linode.
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13:56<jason_>and what is the main reason?
13:57<@nbrewer>I prefer the interface and I think it performs better, also it lets me upload custom distros which (iirc) DO does not.
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13:59<@nbrewer>hertz: hello
13:59<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
13:59<hertz>Am new
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14:25<mstarks01>Howdy, folks. How can I get help after having lost my 2FA app and scratch codes?
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14:25<@jdfriedrikson>mstarks01: open a ticket :) the community can't help you here
14:26<@jdfriedrikson>you'll want to send front and back images of both your CC and an ID
14:26<mstarks01>I need to be able to login to open a ticket
14:26<@jdfriedrikson>you can always email in at
14:26<@jdfriedrikson>for your CC, cover up everything except the last 6, exp date, and name
14:26<mstarks01>ok, thanks, I'll email them
14:27<@jdfriedrikson>mstarks01: great!
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15:06<twodee>Can anyone tell me how I can do a latency check between a client and the tokyo2 linode server from the test file?
15:06<twodee>I am running on ubuntu
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15:07<grawity>latency check? use `ping` or `mtr` to the host
15:08<lnrd2163>Hi...I've never switched kernels before on Linode. I just selected 4.9.0-x86_64-linode79. When does this become the (latest) version and will Linode notify me?
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15:08<twodee>How do I do a ping on the test file in linode?
15:09<lnrd2163>Ping or test download time
15:09<lnrd2163>@MCD was the "No" directed toward me
15:10<twodee>ping: unknown host
15:10<@mcintosh>lnrd2163: there's an RSS feed for kernel releases here ->
15:10<grawity>the *hostname*, not the full URL
15:10<grawity>i.e. `ping`
15:11<twodee>Oh thanks :)
15:11<lnrd2163>OK thanks! How long does it generally take the new kernel to become (latest)
15:11<@mcintosh>it can vary greatly and they don't always become latest
15:11<lnrd2163>ie. 4.9.0-x86_64-linode79 (latest)
15:12<twodee>Is the time depicted in ping the latency?
15:12<lnrd2163>Hmm OK. Is it recommended to select the newest one every time or just stay on Latest
15:12<lnrd2163>Sorry I'm a newbie :)
15:12<@mcintosh>"Latest" will ensure that your Linode is booting into the most recent Linode-released kernel that we have available
15:13<@mcintosh>i.e. if we release and promote 4.9.3 to latest and you reboot your Linode, it will be running 4.9.3
15:13<grawity>hmm, what does 'shg1' mean in the rDNS
15:14<lnrd2163>Oh so Linode 4.9.0 is released, but it's not recognized as the official latest ketnel
15:14<twodee>grawity what does it mean?
15:15<@mcintosh>lnrd2163: right, it's still in "testing" where we make sure everything works fine and dandy (as much as we can) - it might reach latest or another 4.9.x might enter testing and reach latest before it
15:16<@mcintosh>grawity: shinagawa
15:16<lnrd2163>OK thanks for clearing that up. I have 4.9.0 already selected. Can I "downgrade" to the current latest kernel, reboot the VPS and be fine from there?
15:16<@mcintosh>lnrd2163: yup, should be fine to do that
15:16<lnrd2163>Awesome! :) Thanks again
15:18<@mcintosh>no problem
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15:29<twodee>So I did a latency check, and the DigitalOcean servers at India have 139 ms as average while Linode in Singapore has 238 as average.
15:30<twodee>My primary userbase is in India, should I be worried about selecting Linode? I personally prefer Linode. Is this gap wide enough to create problems?
15:31<Toba_>238 ms to all your users kind of sucks
15:31<nate>twodee: Question is what exactly are you doing? If this is for website stuff, that difference is going to be fairly minimaly noticed (also noting it's probably going to vary from place to place in india regardless)
15:31<Toba_>that matters too
15:31<twodee>Did another check and Linode gives me 291.527ms average.
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15:32<nate>If this is for some sorta online hosted game, then yeah that would obviously suck a bit, though I'd try and find -different- locations/sources in india and test, as far as I've ever seen said, internet in india is a mess, so you might have some places really low, some really high
15:32<twodee>It's going to be a website, I will have a CDN in front of it and my static files will be served from an S3 bucket in India.
15:32<@jdfriedrikson>if you're going to have a CDN, not as big of a problem
15:32<nate>Yeah then I don't think that's going to be that dramatic of a concern
15:33<@jdfriedrikson>just make sure you have your CDN close to India and you're good
15:33<nate>as long as by CDN you don't mean like cloudflare, in which case neh :P
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15:34<twodee>nate: Cloudflare- good or bad? You confused me. :P
15:35<nate>twodee: In my experience cloudflare usually adds more headaches than it solves. I've actually seen overall response times/loads increase trying to use them as a middle point more often than not
15:35<twodee>nate: I'll try using cloudfront with my s3 then, thanks for the suggestion.
15:35<nate>So I generally just do some sort of RAM caching on the server end and use some sort of actual file-CDN like S3/KeyCDN/etc for most static files for performance
15:36<twodee>It will be like a moderate e-commerce, people will come in and go.
15:36<nate>of course I usually don't work with sites that involve india so cloudflare might do better there so :P
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15:38<twodee>nate: I will have Varnish cache on the Linodes and a CDN with my s3 bucket. Was thinking about keeping the Varnish in India, but that would probably slow me down more than it would help me.
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15:40<twodee>Is that a minimally good idea to use Varnish cache in an Indian DO server and leave the Private networking abilities with the Linodes?
15:41<@jdfriedrikson>if it's ecommerce, you might still have latency issues :(
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15:42<twodee>jdfriedrikson: Would that be a very big problem?
15:42<@jdfriedrikson>it'll add .1 seconds to any requests anyone will make and .1 seconds to the response
15:42<@jdfriedrikson>think about it
15:43<twodee>That might be an issue with a lot of users. hmm
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15:43<@jdfriedrikson>I say, test it and see if it's noticeable
15:43<twodee>It will be
15:43<twodee>Will putting varnish in India be any good?
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15:44<@jdfriedrikson>you'd be interacting with the backends to login and make payments. varnish is only going to be useful for objects that will be reused
15:46<twodee>Yeeah, but that wouldn't be a lot. There will be a lot more reads than writes. I'm calculating that only 5% of the users will be paying for the service. It's not a direct Ecommerce, it's more like earning from advertising.
15:46<@jdfriedrikson>ohhhhh that's different then
15:46<@jdfriedrikson>varnish would make sense then
15:47<@jdfriedrikson>or any reverse cache
15:47<twodee>So, a lot of pictures will be reused.
15:47<twodee>Varnish on India- will that make sense?
15:47<@jdfriedrikson>for the direct ecommerce stuff, it can still help depending on how many resources you're linking in the page
15:47<@jdfriedrikson>it would
15:47<@jdfriedrikson>and it's also a good use for a $5 droplet
15:47<twodee>I will just put Varnish in DO in India while all the other servers including the db will be in Singapore.
15:48<twodee>Because, I don't really wanna leave Linode.
15:48<@jdfriedrikson>we don't want you to leave us. please don't. ;p
15:48<twodee>We got way better specs and support here. Haha!
15:49<twodee>I won't get the private networking with Varnish and the Linode servers though, will that be a bad headache?
15:49<@jdfriedrikson>not really
15:49<@jdfriedrikson>only for cache misses
15:50<@jdfriedrikson>but the whole point you've got the droplet is for it to not be privately networked :p
15:50<twodee>They will be communicating over the public network, right? That doesn't slow it down as much?
15:51<FluffyFoxeh>my Linode is using 50% CPU on the host (not seen inside the VM) due to network usage alone
15:52<@jdfriedrikson>there wouldn't be much of a point to having varnish if you'd be able to have the backends in the same datacenter
15:52<@jdfriedrikson>latency is the problem. you're solving it with the varnish droplet. :p
15:52<twodee>So, DO Varnish with primary Linode cluster is fine?
15:53<@jdfriedrikson>might not be fine, but it'll help
15:53<twodee>Thank you very much!
15:53<@jdfriedrikson>especially if it's advertising that's the most important
15:53<twodee>I have been pulling off my hair for this the whole day, and it's 2:23 here
15:53<@jdfriedrikson>twodee: go to bed
15:54<twodee>Thanks a lot, I can get a goodnight sleep now. :P
15:54<@jdfriedrikson>you probably won't, but at least you won't spend tomorrow night thinking about this lol
15:55<twodee>Yeah, thanks a lot man! :) Good afternoon I guess :P
15:55<twodee>Or Morning
15:55<twodee>Or afternoon
15:55<twodee>Thanks again. :)
15:55<@jdfriedrikson>afternoon. I lose track of time frequently, though, so it could really be anything
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16:13<@jdfriedrikson>FluffyFoxeh: are you running munin as a privileged user?
16:13<@jdfriedrikson>I'd be curious to see which processes it's graphing for specifically
16:13<dwfreed>I mean, that's kind of required for most things munin gathers
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16:14<@jdfriedrikson>dwfreed: yes. I would agree with you.
16:14<FluffyFoxeh>jdfriedrikson: I think it uses /proc/cpustat so it'd be all processes
16:14<@jdfriedrikson>I'm thinking hidepid possibly
16:14<FluffyFoxeh>and I definitely don't see 50% CPU usage in htop under root
16:15<dwfreed>jdfriedrikson: no, I'm thinking Linode CPU graphs are catching processes that aren't directly part of the VM :P
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16:15<@jdfriedrikson>any time I see an issue with our graphs, I immediately hate life
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16:16<@jdfriedrikson>FluffyFoxeh: can you please open a ticket about that? please provide output (from root; maybe pidstat or vmstat or whatever) to indicate that our graphs might be being silly
16:17<@mcintosh>what dwfreed is suggesting is probably the cause
16:17<@mcintosh>for whatever that's worth
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16:17<@jdfriedrikson>mcintosh: yes
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16:17<FluffyFoxeh>whatever it is seems to represent 10% steal within my linode as well
16:18<@mcintosh>possibly unrelated
16:18<@mcintosh>but also possibly related
16:18<@mcintosh>(see what I did there? :p)
16:18<FluffyFoxeh>the munin graph doesn't add up; there's a white area at the top that's the same shape as the manager graph
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16:19<dwfreed>missing CPU seconds that aren't counted as steal
16:19<FluffyFoxeh>yeah that
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16:20<dwfreed>I'm not sure how steal accounting actually works in KVM; just how much paravirt affects that sort of stuff
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16:30<fichiF>Linode IS CLOSING ON FEB 14, 2017! PLEASE MOVE TO DigitalOcean -- mrmango jchun mr-spoon jarryd Cromulent kyhwana brians dan64 pavlushka JoshuaACasey technoid_ dannyAAM shinji257 aspis blaflamme retro|blah fstd mteufel react squidly rmyers TakinOver Nivex gbit_ karstensrage restelow cmcdonald wcpan FluffyFoxeh auraka rschneberger Edgeman Patches schwa arooni wblew internat thekev dzho romrador KindOne mc_ Musfuut nc nozama rad1um linbot dand Luckst0r_ thero
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16:31<fichiF>Linode IS CLOSING ON FEB 14, 2017! PLEASE MOVE TO DigitalOcean -- mikeage niemeyer kofdog claude FastLizard4 aforster Otshelnik Rainbow Apparition3 djweezy millisa md_5 ttaylor nb NomadJim d1b SelfishMan gadams MrRobot7 fifr dcraig bbankes_ phylophyl dwfreed mormon420 Geezus42[m] goose CompWizrd AngryAnt[m] eyepulp Demyan[m] jfred cbirk vsync scorche raj Eugene Jonis kenyon tasaro Dataforce jogie jgornick eagle Bdragon28 jpwgarrison atrus cruxeternus rsdeha
16:31<millisa>oh noes!
16:31<fichiF>Linode IS CLOSING ON FEB 14, 2017! PLEASE MOVE TO DigitalOcean -- ajmitch TacoThief alexf zero kb Louis6321 cooldude TheFirst ToaNii ekes eNbass Hazelesque Iguil wraeth MaZ- puppet funnel warewolf tomaw ponas Circlefusion James kcaj devilspgd The-spiki Cajs jtsage TonyL trippeh SNy tonyyarusso marcoslater Turl kwmonroe_ yuicat mcintosh bmn Frools flamin_scotsman nate rollingWolf Turner mikegrb beuker Nyr DrJ Nebraskka fullstop BlindSight pk12 duckydan phara
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16:31<FluffyFoxeh>why feb 14
16:31<FluffyFoxeh>in particular
16:31<@jackley>valentines day
16:31<Ikaros>Ok that is annoying
16:32<FluffyFoxeh>Ikaros don't get triggered
16:32<Withewer>FluffyFoxeh GAVE jackley HERPIES -- mrmango jchun mr-spoon jarryd Cromulent kyhwana brians dan64 pavlushka JoshuaACasey technoid_ dannyAAM shinji257 aspis blaflamme retro|blah fstd mteufel react squidly rmyers TakinOver Nivex gbit_ karstensrage restelow cmcdonald wcpan FluffyFoxeh auraka rschneberger Edgeman Patches schwa arooni wblew internat thekev dzho romrador KindOne mc_ Musfuut nc nozama rad1um linbot dand Luckst0r_ therock247uk csnxs Caelum csmith Mil
16:32<Hobbyboy>anyway, I find Linode > DO anyway
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16:32<@jdfriedrikson>quiet time
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16:33<@jdfriedrikson>I feel like mute is a bit much. just going to invite-only for a little bit
16:33<encode>thanks jdfriedrikson
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16:33<encode>it's so annoying, i don't know what people think they're gaining by doing it
16:34<Ikaros>What else :x
16:34<Ikaros>Some people get off on doing that to channels
16:34<encode>they should be more subtle and creative
16:35<@jdfriedrikson>irc's always going to be like this
16:35<Ikaros>In this case I think it's a repeat offender. Someone who's hit this channel before.
16:35<@mcintosh>Ikaros: probably
16:35<@jdfriedrikson>or someone using the same drone software
16:35<@jdfriedrikson>mcintosh knows wayyy more about this than me
16:36<Nightmare>this is 2017 and y'all don't have scripts to counter mass highlighting?
16:36<encode>mikegrb used to have scripts for everything
16:36<FluffyFoxeh>freenode is better at anti-spam
16:36<Ikaros>Heh I know people that have.
16:36<Nightmare>or rather should I say, so you don't get highlighted
16:36<@jdfriedrikson>Nightmare: and if they stop highlighting?
16:36<encode>back when he used to actually use this channel rather than just idle in it
16:36<Ikaros>Anti-flood measures, naturally
16:37<FluffyFoxeh>he also used to work for Linode right
16:37<encode>still does afaik
16:37<@jdfriedrikson>encode: he does not
16:37<encode>oh ok
16:37<@jdfriedrikson>(I'm a trustable source for information like that. I promise.)
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16:38<encode>he was caker's first hire. how long has he been gone?
16:38<@jdfriedrikson>why do I even try? I'm always outclassed by Rich in every way
16:38<@jdfriedrikson>encode: at least a year and a couple months :p
16:38<FluffyFoxeh>there are lots of j employees it seems
16:38<@jdfriedrikson>too many
16:39<FluffyFoxeh>i could come work for you and add another one
16:39<@jdfriedrikson>especially since I'm just redundant to jfred
16:41<@jdfriedrikson>I've received so many of jfred's messages it hurts :(
16:41*Ikaros snickers
16:43<Ikaros>Also yay had my first issue with btrfs (not on a Linode thankfully) :x
16:43<FluffyFoxeh>ooh what was it
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16:44<FluffyFoxeh>corruption? crashing? unmountable?
16:45<@jdfriedrikson>also, what features were you using?
16:45<@jdfriedrikson>I've been using the tastyfs for over a year without a single corrupted file
16:45<Ikaros>FluffyFoxeh: After a kernel "oops" shows up referencing btrfs, this:
16:45<Ikaros>[437992.523092] BTRFS: error (device sda3) in btrfs_run_delayed_refs:2964: errno=-17 Object already exists
16:45<Ikaros>This of course forced the filesystem read-only
16:45<@jdfriedrikson>Ikaros: what's your use case though?
16:46<Ikaros>jdfriedrikson: The only thing it does is serve files.
16:46<Ikaros>Through XDCC via IRC
16:46<@jdfriedrikson>ohhhh hmm
16:46<@jdfriedrikson>so you're probably getting a decent amount of churn?
16:47<@jdfriedrikson>when's the last time you've ran a fsck on that thing?
16:47<Ikaros>The day before that.
16:47<@jdfriedrikson>wow. neat.
16:47<FluffyFoxeh>if a filesystem breaks under churn it can't be trusted >.>
16:47<Ikaros>At the time it wasn't being heavily accessed (no transfers)
16:48<@jdfriedrikson>still haven't seen a single issue though
16:48<@jdfriedrikson>but I mean, it depends on what features you're using
16:48<@jdfriedrikson>i.e. how many subvols. are you using the compression features? stuff like that
16:48<FluffyFoxeh>I wanted to use Btrfs on my NAS because the checksumming sounds awesome
16:49<FluffyFoxeh>I even wrote a kernel patch and userspace daemon to shim it with md RAID for error correction
16:49<FluffyFoxeh>(for a school project)
16:49<Ikaros>Single subvolume, no compression
16:49<FluffyFoxeh>but I used XFS instead for the NAS
16:49<Ikaros>(I *believe* on that last one, not 100% though)
16:50*jdfriedrikson shivers at XFS
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16:50<Ikaros>Come to think of it I should PROBABLY restart it now and fsck it again.
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16:50<Ikaros>Been sitting a while like that
16:51<Ikaros>Oh and for the record it's a VMware Workstation VM on my PC
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20:55<ted>G'day guys I was just wondering if bandwidth is pooled between instances?
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20:55<Peng>Transfer? Yes. Bandwidth? No.
20:56<ted>Yes transfer sorry cheers mate!
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21:33<Woet>i dont even have to whois that IP to know he was strayan
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22:39<twodee>I had a question- How do large scale websites who don't have any datacenters in a region/country solve latency issues?
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22:41<twodee_>If anyone answered my question, kindly copy paste it again, i disconnected and can't see that.
22:41<arlen>probably with a cdn like Cloudflare
22:42<arlen>which has a lot of locations
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22:42<twodee_>only with a cdn?
22:44<twodee_>my user base will be in India but I need to use the Singapore servers since there isn't an Indian datacenter There's a 100 ms difference im a DO Indian datacenter and Singapore dc in Linode.
22:44<twodee_>Lot of websites don't have a dc here but work fine
22:44<twodee_>Does a cdn solve the problems?
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22:52<TacoThief>they didn't want to hang around for long ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
22:54<JeremyE77>I think they have asked 48 times or so. You probably had nothing new for an answer :)
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22:56<retro|blah>CDN CDN CDN CDN CDN?
22:56<retro|blah>Latency latency latency latency latency. How to latency. Can CDN latency.
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22:59<Nivex>use mongodb it's web scale
23:02<TacoThief>Nivex: just make sure you don't FW it off for easier access
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