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02:44<dcraig>which two linode datacenters could best be described as "two great tastes that taste great together"?
02:47<rsdehart>followup: which two linode datacenters could best be described as "left twix/right twix"?
02:47<FluffyFoxeh>London and Newark
02:51<dcraig>wow FluffyFoxeh that's a Great Linode Pairing
02:51<dcraig>nice work
02:51<dcraig>you know newark's not actually in newark, right?
02:52<FluffyFoxeh>I was vaguely aware of such a fact
02:53<FluffyFoxeh>Where is it? I thought the place started with a C
02:54<rsdehart>It's actually in Omaha
02:54<dcraig>you know what's weird?
02:54<dcraig>it used to be owned by ""
02:54<dcraig>but now that goes to some other company
02:54<dcraig>Cedar Knolls, NJ
02:55<rsdehart>Degrassi Knoll
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02:55<FluffyFoxeh>Dixie's Knoll
02:55<dcraig>my dixie wrecked
02:56<dcraig>har har har
02:56<FluffyFoxeh>actually I chuckled, I'm a sucker for bad puns
02:58<dcraig>was JFK's death worth it since it brought us such things as the "grassy knoll" and the "school book depository"?
02:58<dcraig>and what a great movie
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03:00<leadstoriescom>My Linode seems to be stuck in system shutdown... now going on 14 minutes
03:00<leadstoriescom>Ah, and it just finished
03:00<dcraig>glad we could help
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03:00<dcraig>sometimes just talking about your problems is enough to solve them
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03:05<leadstoriescom>Seems like the problem was a 77Gb apache log file clogging up the disk
03:05<leadstoriescom>Too big to be rotated/gzipped, apparently :-)
03:07<leadstoriescom>Yeah, that's what happens when your API does 2 billion requests per month :-)
03:07<praetorian>77Gb? did you try using mongo.
03:07<leadstoriescom>I'l probably just shorten the rotation period
03:09*dcraig too big to rotate
03:09<FluffyFoxeh>sit down and rotate
03:10<leadstoriescom>Make Log Files Great Again
03:11<Peng>with Splunk!
03:11<FluffyFoxeh>someone in here was trying to get me to use Splunk
03:11<FluffyFoxeh>for something that costs that much, I think if I don't know what it's for I probably don't need it
03:13<dcraig>if you're not using the leading platform for real-time operational intelligence, what platform for real-time operational intelligence are you using?
03:13<FluffyFoxeh>/var/log I think
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03:13<FluffyFoxeh>and grep and less
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03:15<dcraig>u runnin slack or what
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03:25<FluffyFoxeh>well my home server is running oldstable
03:29<FluffyFoxeh>Host: spydo-server-OS: Linux 3.2.0-4-amd64/x86_64-Distro: Debian 7.11-CPU: 4 x Intel Core i7-4790 (3599.996 MHz)-Processes: 148-Uptime: 2d 8h 23m-Users: 1-Load Average: 0.96-Memory Usage: 1108.75MB/2012.64MB (18.48%)-Disk Usage: 29.52GB/67.99GB (43.41%)
03:29<linbot>dcraig: I have been running for 6 weeks, 1 day, 13 hours, 26 minutes, and 25 seconds.
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03:32<Peng>"3.2.0" at least it's not 2.6...
03:34<dcraig>oh, Peng
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03:46<tomerr>Does Linode provides DirectConnect/Private connection to Equinix NY2/NY4 ?
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03:51<Moin>what Network Out and Network In means
03:51<dcraig>the bits come in, the bits go out
03:52<dcraig>the bits play pinochle on my snout
03:52<dcraig>and this happens with a certain maximum speed
03:52<dcraig>characterized by the parameters you've identified
03:53<Moin>ok so i have wp blog. so how much traffic it can bear for Linode2GB
03:53<dcraig>the great thing about linode is you can easily scale up or down as your needs change
03:54<Moin>can u give me a approximate number about monthly traffic
03:54<Peng>Moin: It ranges from "no traffic at all" with a ton of inefficient plugins and a poor configuration, to "probably far more than enough" with good software and good caching./
03:54<Peng>Moin: Give it a try, you'll probably be fine.
03:55<Peng>dcraig: Did you ever run WordPress on a Linode 360!?
03:56<nate>Moin: Asking how much a linode 2GB can do in traffic is like asking how much alcohol someone can drink. There are a pretty huge amount of conditions that would make it a very varied amount :P
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03:56<Moin>Nate: :/
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03:57<nate>Moin: I'm not sure what that look is for. If you want a more TL;DR dumbed down answer; There's literally no way to answer your question any better than peng put it. There are simply too many factors
03:58<Moin>thanks, nate. I got. only after trying it i can hve an idea
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04:00<nate>More or less. All in all, if you've got a brand new site going, a 2GB will likely do you fine for awhile
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04:01<Moin>Nate: yah, will try it
04:01<hawk>Moin: If you want to know the limits set by the service, just paraphrasing the price list in terms of a web site, there is no limit set for the request traffic and a 2TB limit for response traffic. Now of course, your application itself can limit you in other ways.
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07:06<Haggis>FYI folks, is scanning me. It's one of about 50 addresses that are actively trying to get into my machine. Just a heads up.
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07:07<Haggis>2017-01-31 08:38:42 New connection: Canada/Linode, LLC
07:08<Haggis>Sorry, pasting from my phine
07:08<linbot>Linode's abuse contact is , as shown in the abuse contact info for the IP address in question. shows how to look this up yourself.
07:08<Haggis>Cheers. I'll let them know
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07:10<@mcintosh>are they scanning or are they actively trying to get in? heh
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07:10<@mcintosh>i guess both maybe, but i suspect only the former :p
07:11<arlen>oh no I'm being scanned!
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07:50<hl2017>hi anyone here ?
07:51<hl2017>I found linode in youtube , and I have some questions, I hope you can help me
07:52<Peng>What do you want to know? :)
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07:53<hl2017>I'm currently using and paying 150$ for a dedicated server that I'm not happy with . also I lost my traffic source , I currently have only arround 10k unique visits per day
07:53<hl2017>I want to try linode but I do not understand how it works
07:54<hl2017>I do not know what is the best plan for me , and if I need upgrade , how much it takes to upgrade the ram cpu etc ... ?
07:54<James>you get a virtual linux box similar to your dedicated. but it's unmanaged
07:54<James>upgrades don't take long :)
07:55<hl2017>thanks @James , but what do you mean by unmanaged ? what should I do to transfer my data from qhoster to linode , they have WHM ?
07:55<James>You can install cpanel and whm :)
07:55<James>You just have to get your own licence for it
07:56<hl2017>thanks James :)
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07:57<@mcintosh>James: where did the TK go!
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07:57<mcintoshTK>no, this will not do at all
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07:57<JamesTK>Better :)
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09:24<linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • Linode account emails sent unencrypted <>
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12:13<kike>what does this mean "3 TB Transfer"?
12:15<kike>what does "3 TB Transfer" mean?
12:16<nate>that means how much total overall bandwidth you can have outbound per month before you get charged extra per GB
12:17<nate>ie; you can have 3TB worth of downloads from your server monthly before you get charged $0.02/GB
12:21<kike>what does "download" mean exactly? what services does it cover? when clients access email services? tranfering files?
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12:22<nate>kike: Everything? You have an upstream (data going to your server) and a downstream (data going -from- your server). Downstream is what that 3TB applies against
12:23<kike>thank you very much
12:23<cbirk>lol this dude
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12:25<kike>what plan would you suggest if people are constantly accessing, let's say invoicing or sth like that?
12:25<nate>There's no real way to even try and guestimate that
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12:25<nate>'constantly accessing' can have pretty broad definitions
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16:33<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
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16:35<LookingGlass>On behalf of our client, can I request "Metabank" to be removed from and the souce code?
16:35<@nbrewer>LookingGlass: you can submit an abuse complaint to
16:35<@nbrewer>please provide as much information as you can
16:35<LookingGlass>Thanks! I will send it right away!
16:35<LookingGlass>Thank yuo for your help!
16:36<@nbrewer>no problem
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16:43<linbot>ericoc: Invalid URL specified.
16:43<ericoc>i wanted a cool :<
16:47<@mquatrani>only Linode links get shortened to :)
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17:04<@mcintosh>ericoc: :p
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17:06<MajObviousman>metabank? It's a bank that serves other banks?
17:06<MajObviousman>I guess it's like reinsurance or something
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17:06<MajObviousman>spread that risk around
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17:51<Zimsky>I just spent the last minute giggling my head off at "mr-spoon"
17:51<Zimsky>mr spooooooooon
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17:59<arlen>there is no spoon
18:03<dwfreed>I was going to link salad fingers, but rewatching it I realized it would not be appropriate; you can go find it on your own, though
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18:06<@jdfriedrikson>dwfreed: it's absolutely appropriate. not sure what you're referring to :p
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18:30<Zimsky>dwfreed: nothing is ever inappropriate
18:30<Zimsky>the concept of something being appropriate is a hoax propagated by the chinese.
18:34<FluffyFoxeh>your face is a hoax propagated by the chinese
18:34<cbirk>is this appropriate
18:34<FluffyFoxeh>did youtube make their styling worse again
18:35<cbirk>they need a comma in that title
18:41<Zimsky>FuffyFloxeh: I don't have a face
18:41<Zimsky>the laughing joke is upon you
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18:49<MajObviousman>dwfreed: yeah, not appropriate
18:49<MajObviousman>there's adults present, dude
18:50<MajObviousman>.to FluffyFoxeh urmom
18:50*MajObviousman stares at linbot
18:50<MajObviousman>what happened to you? WHO HURT YOU
18:50<cbirk>MajObviousman: mcintosh broke him
18:51<cbirk>!w \\********\;;\
18:51*MajObviousman stares at mcintosh
18:51<linbot>cbirk: cbirk is a loser
18:51<linbot>MajObviousman: Yo momma's so pedantic, she opened a trouble ticket to request a correction to a previous yo momma joke.
18:51<MajObviousman>oh good
18:51<MajObviousman>I just had the command sigil wrong
18:51<MajObviousman>!to FluffyFoxeh urmom
18:51<linbot>FluffyFoxeh: Yo momma's so old, Debian added her to the stable repository!
18:51<cbirk>!urmom \***********\;;/;:/;/;
18:51<linbot>cbirk: Yo momma's so stupid, she thought Conflicker was real!
18:52<linbot>cbirk: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
18:52<MajObviousman>cbirk: looks like you're trying to exit vim and failing
18:52<cbirk>its that new macbook pro sahn
18:52<cbirk>NO ESCAPE
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20:13<Eugene>Can anybody recommend a hosted "is it up?" service? I'm having a hell of a runaround with $ISP about their BGP flapping causing packet loss, and would love to throw graphs from multiple ASNs at them, but I only have so much data.
20:13<Eugene>Ideally I want something to ICMP Ping me on a regular basis(smokeping is nice), and make pretty pictures.
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20:17<Eugene>Signed up, logged into their dashboard..... spinning circle and white page.
20:18<arlen>hmm loads for me
20:18<Eugene>Its probably the same as the reason I want this to be monitored
20:18<millisa>I don't use them, but I know folks that use pingdom that aren't unhappy
20:18<arlen> that's what their graphs look like
20:19<Eugene>Yup, looks like my internet just took a shit again. Siiiigh.
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20:19<Eugene>At least packet loss inside my LAN is still at 0%
20:19<Eugene>arlen - beautiful, that is exactly what I want.
20:20<staticsafe>BGP flapping eh
20:20<staticsafe>I wonder if their router is running out of FIB space or whatever
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20:21<Eugene>I have mapped their network in the past(its mostly MPLS from the basement to their downtown core, and then onwards to exchanges); today it seems they are taking a longer route to Linode's ASN, and here's a shite graph from my nagios
20:23<dwfreed>Eugene: your cert expires in a week
20:23<Eugene>They started expiring yesterday
20:24<Eugene>"fuck with Let's Encrypt again" is on my list for this weekend.... the CentOS packages have stabilized and they got IPv6 fully working, so I'll actually be able to make it work
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21:07<trippeh>painful to read:
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21:11<millisa>so . .they didn't have backups. not really.
21:14<nate>millisa: Not after he wiped them in step 4
21:14<millisa>kudos to them for putting it all out there though. maybe more than they can learn from it
21:15<nate>this is the downside to short-staffing and over working, mistakes happen when people work late :P
21:15<millisa>I feel bad for 'YP'
21:16<nate>at least they were lucky enough had had the 6~ hour old snapshot shit he made
21:16<nate>coulda been far far worse
21:17<nate>Though perhaps in the future he'll avoid using -rf on what he thought was supposed to be an empty directory, just for certainty
21:23<Ikaros>Classic...running a removal on production when he thought he was doing it on secondary
21:24<trippeh>been there.. always triple check my rm commands now
21:24<dwfreed>I don't always work on production, but when I do, I rm the production database?
21:25<millisa>change control isn't agile enough.
21:25<millisa>just looks like a lot of cowboy IT
21:26<Cromulent>trippeh: ouch that does sound painful
21:28<Cromulent>I should probably have more backups of my stuff if I was doing things properly
21:28<trippeh>did have working backups however, but having thousands of people not beeing able to work for a while was stressful.
21:29<nate>yeah but he by bare luck had working backups
21:29<nate>that he only took 6 hours earlier
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21:40<FluffyFoxeh>I like their transparency however
21:41<linbot>transparently terrible
21:41<FluffyFoxeh>linbot being opaque rn
21:41<Peng>I was moving some (personal) data around the other day, going "I'm *barely* awake enough for this". Accidentally messed up a snapshot of one of several copies before deleting it. No harm done, though.
21:48<trippeh>database-backups at current job is a shitshow. need to get that fixed. I do restores a couple times a week and they require I SWEAR I KNOW WHAT I'M DOING options and advanced surgery about half the time.
21:49<trippeh>always exciting
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21:52<cris>help guys I;m trying to create a wordpress on linode I follow every steps on the guide but still it redirect me into index.php instead of wordpress admin-config
21:53<millisa>which guide are you talking about?
21:54<cris>How to Install and Configure WordPress
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21:55<millisa>This one?
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21:56<cris>its working before actually but the time I was trying to create multiple sites to be hosted in 1 server and maybe I move or delete or edit something important? and now i'm redirecting to index.php
21:57<cris>define('WP_USE_THEMES', true);
21:57<cris>require( dirname( __FILE__ ) . '/wp-blog-header.php' );
22:00<cris>is anybody here?
22:02<kb>so here's a question that'll terrify people
22:03<kb>has anyone managed to get ipv6 working on win2016 core... on linode? :)
22:03<kb>it's passing ipv4 traffic fine, but not ipv6
22:03<Nivex>turn off temporary addresses
22:03<kb>haven't touched them
22:03<kb>I can't even ping the router, it just times out
22:03<Nivex>ping by link local addr?
22:03<kb>Pinging fe80::1%4 with 32 bytes of data:
22:03<kb>Request timed out.
22:04<Nivex>right, windows generates temp addrs even for link local. It's "helpful" like that.
22:04<Nivex>and the temp addrs will break the traffic filters
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22:05<kb>... ah! That makes sense
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22:07*kb feels exceedingly dirty for running win2016 on linode, but is too curious notto do it at least once
22:07<Eugene>2016 I have not played with
22:08<Eugene>And yeah, link-local stuff is dumb in Windows
22:10<kb>Set-NetIPv6Protocol -RandomizeIdentifiers Disabled
22:10<kb>Set-NetIPv6Protocol -UseTemporaryAddresses Disabled
22:10<kb>if anyone is curious
22:12<Eugene>I'm curious, which method did you use to install on Linode?
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22:13<kb>built a local kvm install here (with the KVM drivers), sysprep, gzip + scp + 'gzip -d' on remote end
22:13<kb>pushed a fully sysprepped image over in short
22:13<Eugene>Installing natively is more fun ;-)
22:13<kb>We have different definitions of fun :)
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22:14<kb>although, I will admit, this is going to be a domain controller, so... this is likely a short-lived experiment
22:15<Eugene>My DC has been happily running for a long time.
22:15<cris>help guys I'm trying to create a wordpress on linode I follow every steps on the guide(how to install and config wordpress) but still it redirect me into index.php instead of wordpress admin-config
22:15<kb>On ghe general public internet?
22:15<Eugene>I haven't gotten around to setting-up the native IPv6 though - I run everything through openvpn to a Linux node
22:16<Eugene>IPv4 no; IPv6 technically yes but AD is firewalled-off
22:16<kb>cris: sorry, I don't have any wordpress experience
22:16<kb>Eugene: nice. I'm going to be disabling ipv4 once I have everything up and running, plus I've got a GPO in place that will prohibit all traffic to/from the server aside from my subnets
22:17<Eugene>I want to do that eventually as well. I need LDAPS first, and THAT needs a usable Powershell Let's Encrypt, plus a lot of glue I haven't written yet
22:18<Eugene>Kerberos over the open internet is fine, but I'd prefer LDAP to at least pretent to be encrypted
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22:21<William__>Has anybody had any trouble launching the Glish console?
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22:23<William__>All I see tonight is "noVNC ready: native WebSockets, canvas rendering" and a checkerboard underneath that; no display at all. Even tried rebooting my VPS.
22:23<FluffyFoxeh>mine works fine
22:24<FluffyFoxeh>see if you have browser addons messing with it, and if you can't get it to work then open a ticket
22:24<FluffyFoxeh>or use Lish if that's sufficient for what you're doing
22:25<FluffyFoxeh>you can do Lish over SSH too which is nice
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22:29<linbot>New news from status: Support Phone Outage <>
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22:34*arlen makes a note not to use same phone service as linode
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22:39<William__>Tried a different browser, same problem. I just gave up and ran the do-release-upgrade -d command the (more) dangerous way.
22:40<William__>That is, right over the SSH line. The more part is because installing Zesty is a bit dangerous right now, but my Linode seems to tolerate it more than my desktop so far.
22:41<Peng>Not a live photograph of Linode's phone company:
22:41<arlen>I think someone once said they use comcast
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22:43<arlen>William__: could've used lish over ssh for that
22:43<arlen>no browser needed
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22:44<William__>I use a direct disk boot, and the lish serial port is not configured on my kernel.
22:46<arlen>that doesn't sound fun
22:51<William__>The upgrade went smoothly with the exception of nginx being uninstalled for some reason.
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23:00<William__>All good now. Will try to see if Glish is any better tomorrow.
23:00<Peng>Good luck. :<
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23:10<sovandara>I have buy linode plan with 8GB of RAM
23:11<sovandara>So can I change to a smaller plan?
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23:12<FluffyFoxeh>Yes, you can resize in the manager
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23:14<sovandara>Ok thanks you
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23:14<nate>Probably should have made sure to warn them about disk size
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23:23<ericoc>mcintosh: :D
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23:56<mads_>what would be the default value for sources.list when you want to install apache2
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23:59<arlen>whatever's already listed
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