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---Logopened Tue Feb 07 00:00:34 2017
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00:25<Rhon>Hi everyone, I am new to linode, just wondering if I can deploy multple images and run them simultaneously? if yes does it require additional fees? I have Linode plan $80
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02:06<rsdehart>"Do I have to pay more to run more linodes?"
02:06<rsdehart>-Rhon, basically
02:10<FluffyFoxeh>buy one, get one free
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03:01<mmustac>I had my Linode powered off for almost the whole month of Jan, and yet Linode still had the nerve to charge me the full $10 monthly price. what a ripoff company, im literally shaking right now. registering a complaint with NJ BBB right this moment. also telling mom.
03:05<dcraig>yo momma can get $10 easy
03:05<mmustac>wait, really!?
03:06<mmustac>our SSI and SNAP doesn't clear until Wed, plz go on...
03:07<Cromulent>heh I thought you were being serious for a minute there :)
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03:11<linbot>New news from forum: Sales Questions and Answers • Are the resources stated in the plans guaranteed? <>
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03:41<linbot>New news from forum: Email/SMTP Related Forum • Postfix + Dovecot: Multiple IP's and domains <> || Performance and Tuning • off hours shut down <>
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03:48<rick111>but what if I only want downstirs windows?
03:48<mmustac>beware of the bogpill, dont take it
03:49<rick111>aka the pill of TRUTH
03:50<mmustac>you can never unlearn it ;__;
03:51<linbot>New news from forum: Sales Questions and Answers • Are the resources stated in the plans guaranteed? <>
03:52<rick111>damn, I wasn't even aware, until I googled it from your comment. NOW IT'S WITH ME FOR LYFE
03:52<rick111>no one else follow me down the hole, let me the last to be lost to the bogpill
03:52<mmustac>im so sorry! ignorance is truely bliss.
03:53<mmustac>living with eyes closed is easy
03:53<rick111>eyes wide closed
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04:02<JeremyE77>I live with a pelican!
04:04<mmustac>talk to me when its a genetically enhanced, semi sentiant penguin. Then I'll be impressed because anime is finally real.
04:05<JeremyE77>What!? I ain't no lame ass Ice "King!"
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04:06<mmustac>yeah the ice king is def an overated character
04:10<mmustac>the cosmic owl will forever be best AT character
04:11<linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • Datacenter in India <>
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07:09<rick111>"; drop database nope.jpg;
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07:39<rick111>--LEVEL 5
07:39<@mcintosh>!point jleal
07:39<linbot>mcintosh: Point given to jleal (1)
07:39<@jleal>awh yesh!
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08:12<mmustac>!point sclemens
08:12<linbot>mmustac: Point given to sclemens (1)
08:13<mmustac>will you watch anime with me now sempai (0__0)/*
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09:36<@mcintosh>!point cbirk
09:36<linbot>mcintosh: Point given to cbirk (1) Their biggest fan is mcintosh (1).
09:36<@jdfriedrikson>who knew
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09:48<linbot>New news from status: Scheduled Network Maintenance - London <>
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10:36<dumle29>Linode Alert - inbound traffic rate
10:37<dumle29>Is this a warning that Iøm exeeding traffic that you guys don't want me to?
10:37<dumle29>I was installing ~ 15GB of software, so I think that was it
10:39<@mcintosh>dumle29: no, it doesn't mean you're doing anything wrong
10:39<FluffyFoxeh>"This is not meant as a warning or a representation that you are misusing your resources. We encourage you to modify the thresholds based on your own individual needs."
10:40<dumle29>mcintosh: Is there any traffic shaping on your end? I can't connect to a CSGO server I set up, but a guy from the US could (hosted in frankfurt)
10:40<dumle29>FluffyFoxeh: derp. I could've read the next to lines. my mistake
10:40<@mcintosh>can you run MTRs between yourself and the CS:GO server?
10:41<FluffyFoxeh>yesterday I left iftop running by accident and it pegged my Linode's CPU for 8 hours >.<
10:41<dumle29>mcintosh: I've had the issue with severeal VPSes, even a dedicated server I setup. I'm just asking because i'm on hold with my ISP atm, and I know they'll ask that question
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10:53<dumle29>mcintosh: Using the windows GUI it just hangs
10:53<dumle29>doesn't really do anything
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10:59<@mcintosh>dumle29: at what point in the process does it do that?
11:03<@mcintosh>the program won't even run? or when you attempt to run an MTR report it hangs?
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11:03<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
11:03<dumle29>mcintosh: Sorry, the start of the mtr
11:03<dumle29>mcintosh: Like I click start, and it does nothing
11:04<dumle29>mcintosh: I ran one from my ubuntu laptop, and it gave me this
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11:04<dumle29>mcintosh: I sent it to my ISP and the guy on the phone said he'd come back to me tomorrow
11:05<dwfreed>run the same from your Linode now
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11:14<alexf>dumle29: are you following Linode's instructions to install it?
11:15<dwfreed>alexf: the problem is it's unreachable entirely (see mtr), not that he screwed something up
11:15<alexf>dwfreed: would it not be unreachable if it wasn't actually running ;)
11:15<dwfreed>it dies before it crosses Linode's routers
11:16*alexf actually checks the mtr
11:16<alexf>Hey, lookat the time! Gotta run
11:16<dwfreed>gets to telia-linode border and stops
11:16*alexf flees from his shame
11:16<@mcintosh>!point dwfreed
11:16<linbot>mcintosh: Point given to dwfreed (1)
11:16<alexf>!to mcintosh urmom
11:16<linbot>mcintosh: Yo momma's so slow, she still hasn't finished FreedroidRPG!
11:17<@mcintosh>i need to add more jokes to that DB
11:20<@jdfriedrikson>mcintosh: how about your idea of humor?
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11:20<alexf>jdfriedrikson: are you trying to insinuate that his sense of humor is a joke?
11:21<@mcintosh>!boo jdfriedrikson
11:21<linbot>mcintosh: Point taken from jdfriedrikson (-1)
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11:22<alexf>I concurr
11:24<dwfreed>!boo jdfriedrikson
11:24<linbot>dwfreed: Point taken from jdfriedrikson (-2)
11:24<Cromulent>if you want humour you can't beat fawlty towers :D
11:26<@jdfriedrikson>oh no! my internet points!
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11:35<memphis>Hi i need a sales for Linode.want to ask questions
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11:36<@mcintosh>memphis: this is the Community Discussion channel but there are lots of people here who can answer your questions
11:36<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
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11:40<MajObviousman>mcintosh: why haven't you answered my question that I didn't ask?
11:40<MajObviousman>I've been waiting for over an hour
11:41<@mcintosh>isn't it ... Obvious?
11:41*Eugene takes a bite out of mcintosh
11:43<synfinatic>IRC sucks. not mind-reading enabled like Facebook
11:45<Cromulent>Linode should have a Discord server :) That would be pretty cool
11:47<alexf>He's not in this channel anymore, but FelicianoTech made a community Slack
11:47<Eugene>Much of the point of IRC is that it is not Web 2..1 HTML5 garbage
11:47<Eugene>I don't understand the appeal at all
11:47<gparent>you can post shitty memes
11:47<Eugene>You can do that here, too?
11:47<Eugene>(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
11:47<gparent>yeah but it requires A LEFT CLICK
11:48<Cromulent>Eugene: I use Discord all the time now it is a nice mix of IRC and Mumble all rolled into one
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11:49<Cromulent>and it is free :)
11:49<Eugene>I'm famiiar with the application: my wife uses it. That doesn't change a single bit of how little I care for a proprietary platform run by a third-party with no clear motive or profit plan
11:50<Eugene>Skype was cool, once upon a time
11:50<Cromulent>they've just introduced discord nitro so they at least now have a profit plan whether they will be able to support themselves on that alone remains to be seen
11:50<gparent>of course they will. they`ll just turn useful features into paid ones.
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11:51<gparent>get rich or bankrupt trying
11:51<Eugene>Meanwhile, I've never paid a cent for #linode
11:51<Cromulent>well if it fails I can always return to running my own mumble servers
11:52<Eliz>gparent: the thing there is, they're promising never to charge for the already free features
11:52<Eliz>Eugene: in a round about way, you have, by paying Linode you've helped sponsor some OFTC servers :p
11:52*Eliz runs.
11:53<gparent>Eliz: oh they promised
11:53<Eugene>Eliz - that is a logical fallacy. I pay Linode for my Linodes; I pay #linode and OFTC nothing. What Linode does for OFTC is their own damn fault
11:53<Eliz>gparent: the moment they fuck that up it's going to fail,
11:53<Eliz>so *shrug*
11:53<alexf>Eugene: the point is that *someone* pays for you to use this IRC network
11:53<Eugene>I strongly disagree with the notion of using companies based upon who they sponsor - the lag time and the level of care is so low that all you're really doing with that method of consumerist spend-shifting is making noise
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11:54<Eugene>Sure, but its for a greater purpsoe - not so they(OFTC) can make money
11:54<Eugene>(at least, in theory)
11:54<gparent>Eliz: the target market of discord doesn't really care about doing things otherwise they'd have set up mumble or lets-chat or any of the other options
11:54<gparent>so im confident they'll go with "oh it's paid? I wont use it or ill pay"
11:54<Eugene>And now i need to go shower. no pics, jdfriedrikson said so.
11:55<gparent>or switch to slack or whatever.
11:55<alexf>Yea, but why do you care if they do it to make money or not?
11:55<gparent>I don't ?
11:55<gparent>funny point to bring up
11:55<Eugene>Because if they're not out to make money they won't charge me for it later
11:55<alexf>Sorry, that was @ Eugene
11:55<Eugene>Or go tits-up in an acquisition, like Skyp
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11:58<rick111>!point gparent
11:58<linbot>rick111: Point given to gparent (1) Their biggest fan is rick111 (1).
11:58<rick111>#1 fan, that's how I want to be remembered
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11:59<Cromulent>so you don't trust any company offering a free service unless they are a non-profit?
12:02<Eliz>!help point
12:02<linbot>Eliz: (point <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "web title$nick&nickname=$1".
12:02<Eliz>!point Eliz
12:02<linbot>Eliz: You cannot give yourself points.
12:02<@mcintosh>I should just make it do -1 if you !point yourself :P
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12:08<csnxs>!lick mcintosh
12:08<csnxs>mcintosh, fix now!
12:09<@mcintosh>what is that supposed to do? lol
12:09<csnxs>i dunno, be creative!
12:12<Eugene>Cromulent - I do not trust them to provide the service free forever, no. In cases where the profit motive is obvious(eg, Google's advertising or Apple's shiny-new-phone) I have no issue. Its only where I can't possibly imagine how they will make money that I show restraint in using a given product/service, because there's a good chance that it won't be available in $BIGNUM years, and depending upon it would be dumb
12:12<Eugene>It's pretty normal risk-aversion, but maybe I'm crazy?
12:13<Eugene>How's the saying go? If the product is free, then the product is you
12:14<@jdfriedrikson>github ^
12:14<Eugene>They sell github enterprise(and make a lot of money) and paid hosting
12:14<Eugene>I also don't rely upon them, and maintain my own git mirrors with gitolite
12:14<@jdfriedrikson>you don't think having a corner on the majority of the open source world isn't valuable?
12:14<Cromulent>Eugene: if Discord goes away no great loss - I'll just register for a free account on one of their competitors
12:15<Eugene>I'm sure it would be. However, i've also witnessed Sourceforge's downfall for advertising that to hell
12:15<@jdfriedrikson>SF made the mistake of using it for stupid ads
12:15<Eugene>Cromulent - that's fine. I reject the market segment entirely(voip chat apps) because I've seen enough come & go to know theres no good way to make money in it
12:15<Eugene>Github does not appear to be repeating SF's mistakes, ergo they are fine
12:16<Cromulent>no SF died because they put adware and malware into installer packages
12:16<Eugene>Their death started WAY before that
12:16<Eugene>That was the proverbial nail
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12:19<Eliz>Eugene: err, you had no problem with Hangouts though
12:19<@jdfriedrikson>IMO monocultures are bad
12:19<Eliz>I miss those hangout sessions, though
12:20<Eliz>those were a lot of fun for sure lol
12:20<@jdfriedrikson>having a privately funded and implicitly trusted base for much the world's OS software is a creepy idea
12:21<@jdfriedrikson>GH has already taken what was originally a decentralized VCS and turned it into a centralized one
12:21<dwfreed>as evidenced by all the panics when github is down
12:22<Eugene>Eliz - Hangouts is a Google service; I have a legacy Google Apps domain where they collect metadata on my email. I'm fine with this.
12:22<Eliz>Eugene: heh
12:22<Eugene>I don't view their ads, and they don't complain to me about that. I think its a fair trade
12:23<@jdfriedrikson>there's also this
12:23<Eugene>(also, that form of Hangouts is dead and gone, so that's not even true)
12:23<Eliz>Moderate Comments - If you have write-access privileges for a repository, you can edit or delete anyone's comments on commits, pull requests, and issues.
12:23<Eliz>I hate that others can edit my messages ;_;
12:23<@jdfriedrikson>Actions we may take in response to an abuse report include but are not limited to:
12:24<@jdfriedrikson>Content Removal
12:24<@jdfriedrikson>Content Blocking
12:24<@jdfriedrikson>Account Suspension
12:24<@jdfriedrikson>Account Termination
12:24*dwfreed terminates jdfriedrikson for flooding
12:24<@caker>also pointing and laughing
12:24<@jdfriedrikson>!boo jdfriedrikson
12:24<linbot>jdfriedrikson: nah
12:24<Eliz>!boo dwfreed
12:24<linbot>Eliz: nah
12:24<Eliz>!help boo
12:24<linbot>Eliz: (boo <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "web title$nick&nickname=$1".
12:25<Eliz>what's the.. oh it's the anti point
12:25<dwfreed>caker: requisite
12:25<dwfreed>(fwiw, boo is a bit restricted)
12:25<Eliz>!boo Eugene
12:25<linbot>Eliz: nah
12:26<Eliz>dwfreed: in a non obvious way
12:26<dwfreed>I mean, that's intentional
12:26<Eliz>!web title
12:26<linbot>Eliz: You must provide a nickname.
12:26<Eliz>!web title
12:26<linbot>Eliz: Point taken from eliz (-1)
12:26<Eliz>!web title
12:26<linbot>Eliz: Point given to eliz (0)
12:26*Eliz shrugs
12:27<@jdfriedrikson>!point Eliz
12:27<linbot>jdfriedrikson: Point given to eliz (1)
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12:27<csnxs>!point jdfriedeggs
12:27<linbot>csnxs: Slow down.
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12:27<dwfreed>legitimately read that as "H P hillips" for a second
12:27<csnxs>i just wanna respect them eggs, man
12:27<@jdfriedrikson>this is your IRC on jdfriedrikson
12:28<Eliz>The source file 'Flickr_-_cyclonebill_-_Spejlg.jpg' does not exist.
12:28<Eliz>shorten fail
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12:29<Cromulent>does anyone know of any good addons for wordpress that allow you to post mathmatical equations like you'd make in LaTeX?
12:30<@jdfriedrikson>not really. but LaTeX is cool.
12:30<Eliz>Cromulent: .. what is this thing called Wordpress
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12:33<Cromulent>MathML looks good - not sure you can embed it in a wordpress post though
12:34<emkal>i'm trying to develop a stackscript and currently i'm just rebuilding a linode over and over to test it. this is pretty slow, is there a faster way to iterate?
12:34<jtsage>Cromulent- no idea if there still is a plugin for MathML, but there was at one time.
12:34<csnxs>this wiki has been very active this year!
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12:34<csnxs>Cromulent, ?
12:35<@jdfriedrikson>emkal: it's just bash
12:35<Cromulent>csnxs: thanks :)
12:36<@jdfriedrikson>so, I mean, you don't have to rebuild everytime you want to test
12:36<dwfreed>technically it can be whatever you want, but usually it's bash
12:38<Cromulent>oh man geocities - I used to have a web page with them
12:38<Cromulent>literally just one page
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12:42<FluffyFoxeh>Discord doesn't give me plain text logs to grep through whenever I want to find a link that someone posted last year but I forgot what it was
12:43<FluffyFoxeh>probably have to scroll up forever like Twitter. and then hit an artificial limit like Twitter
12:43<FluffyFoxeh>and have your communications handled at the whims of some SFBay startup, like Twitter
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12:44<Cromulent>FluffyFoxeh: discord has a search feature now
12:45<Eliz>Cromulent beat me
12:45<Cromulent>sure you can't use grep but it is better than nothing
12:45<FluffyFoxeh>does it support regex
12:45<Eliz>FluffyFoxeh: given that it's just ES, I believe, I doubt it
12:45<Eugene>I have Ye Olde Geocities archive. Its great fun
12:47<Cromulent>heh I'd be embarresed if anyone still had an archive of my web page :P I believe that was when I was going through my anti-capitalist stage as a teenager
12:47<emkal>jdfriedrikson: thanks, i'll just try rebuilding less. and iterating in one session and see how it goes.
12:48<@jdfriedrikson>emkal: you could probably break it up into pieces instead of testing the whole
12:49<Eliz>emkal: mmm, perhaps a container
12:49<Eliz>just inject the vars you need heh
12:53<dwfreed>people still read slashdot?
12:55<Cromulent>I haven't found a replacement for it that is for sure
12:59<Eugene>IRC is pretty good. I rely upon #linode for all my political facts
13:00*jfred prefers Matrix to IRC these days
13:00<@jfred>though IRC is still fun :)
13:00<csnxs>I rely on for all political news!
13:01<rnowak>jfred: you're dead to me
13:02<@jfred>rnowak: hah :P
13:02<FluffyFoxeh>lol tech industry
13:02<FluffyFoxeh>I've no sympathy
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13:14<Ranjeet>Hello team can you tell what the range ip u r using?
13:15<Ranjeet>I mean private IP
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13:16<dwfreed>caker: was it finally expanded? last I knew it was 192.168.128/17
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13:38<Zimsky>I hate being referred to as part of a team
13:39<@jdfriedrikson>it makes me feel like I'm playing a really bad sport
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13:39<Zimsky>it reminds me of over-enthusiastic coaches - "great job team!!!!11!11!"
13:39<Zimsky>or even some really shoddy workplaces
13:39<Zimsky>the other one is "family"
13:39<Zimsky>the "comcast call centre family"
13:39<dzho>you might even say we are kind of over getting told to throw our hands up in the air
13:40<Zimsky>"walmart customer service family"
13:40<Zimsky>aka just another sod working the registers like a lot of other sods
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13:40<@jdfriedrikson>I can't remember the last time I've had a performance review with my father
13:40<@jdfriedrikson>maybe I should fire him
13:41<Zimsky>an actual jpg
13:41<Zimsky>called thatsthejoke
13:42<Zimsky>well shit son
13:42<@jdfriedrikson>I know, I'm pretty on point today
13:42<@jdfriedrikson>with my stale memes
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13:42<Zimsky>I'm tempted to just send someone the raw bin data of that jpg whenever I feel inclined to say "thatsthejoke.jpg"
13:42<Zimsky>maybe I should memorise the base64 encoded version
13:42<Zimsky>and say it in conversation
13:43<goose>Does anyone have or know of a script which will auto kick/ban someone who sends a mass highlight? I used to have a bot that would do it but I lost the source to it. and I can't find anything on that seems to do that
13:43<goose>an irssi script* rather
13:43<Zimsky>just write one
13:43<FluffyFoxeh>but Zimsky what if I'm stupid
13:44<Zimsky>what do you mean, "what if"
13:44<FluffyFoxeh>I set myself up for that
13:44<@mcintosh>!point Zimsky
13:44<linbot>mcintosh: Point given to zimsky (1)
13:44<@jdfriedrikson>goose: that will work for as long as they're mass highlighting :p
13:44<goose>well, there's some logic in it :p
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13:45<FluffyFoxeh>A general flooding script will probably be more useful
13:45<FluffyFoxeh>unless the channel is small enough that everyone can be highlighted in a couple lines
13:45<goose>the bot would kick/ban you if a definable number (I set it to 6) words in your PRIVMSG matched nicks in the channel
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13:45<FluffyFoxeh>!calc 512/16
13:45<linbot>FluffyFoxeh: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything.
13:46<FluffyFoxeh>google's calculator is shite then
13:47<Zimsky>mass highlighting is good
13:47<Zimsky>reminds you that you should be on irc more often
13:47<Ranjeet>hey man can you tell me how i can install SSL on nodebalancer?
13:47<Zimsky>instead of one of those discord or slack twats
13:47<Zimsky>"man", wow
13:47<FluffyFoxeh>did you just assume my gender?!
13:47<Ranjeet>i mean how i can generate CSF
13:48<Eugene>By the time I log onto IRC the spam has been pushed out of my scrollback. Win-win
13:48<Zimsky>cerebrospinal fluid?
13:48<Zimsky>uh, keep your body in good shape
13:48<Zimsky>CSF is more interesting
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14:06<Ranjeet>yes CSR
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14:08<mamank>hello linode
14:08<@mcintosh>hello mamank
14:09<mamank>linode support Nodejs+mogodb?
14:09<mmustac>you can run whatever you like on it.
14:09<mmustac>its a linux server that you have root access to
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14:11<mamank>im not familiar without cpnael..can linode tem support me when i have problem?
14:12<@mcintosh>mamank: we'll happily help you troubleshoot
14:12<mmustac>to an extent, they will try their best to guide you in the right direction and answer any questions you have, but they cannot directly do anything for you on the server itself
14:13<mmustac>you might want to look into the prof services or managed options
14:13<mmustac>also you can buy and install cpanel yourself on linode
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14:20<mamank>linode have cdn for storage file like jpeg and js?
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14:21<mamank>and if my website is built using Node.js, can I write A.P.I Node.js for connecting to a different storage such as storage cdn google?
14:22<mmustac>of course
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14:23<mamank>thanks mmustac
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14:25<mmustac>no prob!
14:25<@mcintosh>!point mmustac
14:25<linbot>mcintosh: Point given to mmustac (1)
14:26<mmustac>ty im low on goodboy points as you know. dallas6 fate is still up in the air.
14:26<csnxs>!lick mmustac
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14:45<Ranjeet>hey Man can u tell me ip pool range of this
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14:46<Peng>It's a single IP address. The subnet it's on is, -
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14:52<mmustac>any one else ever miss 4:3 AR sometimes?
14:53<jiggawattz>Received lag check reply from Time elapsed: 0.06747 seconds. (Rating: Are you plugged into the server?)
14:53<jiggawattz>coulomb is a rockin server
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16:38<dumle29>alexf: Not following that no, and I found out the issue. The problem was with steam / valve
16:38<dumle29>< alexf: CS:GO server guy
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16:39<dumle29>Found out that the problem all this time has been that I'm playing CSGO on my steam account #1, which has the game family-shared from account #2
16:39<dumle29>that, coupled with account #2 being the one that created the GSLT for the server, made auth fail
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17:38<EmanuelB>Hello, anybody from Linode support in here?
17:38<relidy>!to EmanuelB ask
17:38<linbot>EmanuelB: If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
17:38<linbot>Users with ops are employees of Linode, and know what they're talking about. The rest of us are the ever-so-helpful(?) community. Official Linode contact information:
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17:39<@jdfriedrikson>!point relidy
17:39<linbot>jdfriedrikson: Point given to relidy (1)
17:40<csnxs>!lick relidy
17:40<csnxs>mcintosh, where's my tongue!!
17:40<dwfreed>in your mouth?
17:40<@jdfriedrikson>that joke's starting to wear off on me
17:41<EmanuelB>Hello guys! Nice to find out a chat room with the Linode community :) I have a question: how many IPs can I install on a single VPS on Linode? if anyone can point me to a tutorial or anything related to this would be great. Many thanks!
17:41<linbot>Each Linode comes with 1 public IPv4 address and 1 public IPv6 address. Additional IPv4 addresses are $ 1 per month, and require technical justification. A /64 or /56 of IPv6 can be routed to your Linode at no charge.
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17:42<@jdfriedrikson>SEO != technical justification
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17:42<@jdfriedrikson>IMO there are *few* cases where you legitimately need additional
17:42<relidy>Is SSL even a valid justification these days?
17:42<relidy>(I'm well aware of SNI)
17:42<dwfreed>not really
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17:43<millisa>redhat5/centos5 can't do sni, but it's EOL next month I think?
17:43<@jdfriedrikson>we'll take it. but you'll need to have commercially signed certs
17:43<FluffyFoxeh>SEO is like snake oil
17:43<@jdfriedrikson>no self-signed bs
17:43<@jdfriedrikson>FluffyFoxeh: mostly true. there are things that work. however, a billion IPs do not
17:43<@jdfriedrikson>honestly, everyone should use SNI
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17:44<FluffyFoxeh>or magic pebbles
17:44<@jdfriedrikson>anyone using old versions of IE should join us in the modern world
17:44<relidy>Just thought I'd ask. In cases where I've been "concerned" about it lately, it's just easier to spin up a new machine.
17:44<millisa>I can imagine a few non-web services that I don't believe have sni support yet
17:44<FluffyFoxeh>create a second Linode and route through it over the private network :p
17:45<FluffyFoxeh>I use GRE to do that over the internet
17:45<@jdfriedrikson>millisa: well yes
17:46<millisa>but that's never the reason
17:46<@jdfriedrikson>most people asking for additional IPs either want it because 1) SEO or 2) don't want to do SNI 3) their CA doesn't support SNI
17:46<@jdfriedrikson>3 is sorta legitimate IMO
17:46<millisa>4) because their 'friend who knows IT' said they have to have one.
17:46<dwfreed>um, a CA doesn't need to support SNI
17:46<FluffyFoxeh>I wanted two mail servers on two domains with non-associated IPs
17:46<dwfreed>!boo jdfriedrikson
17:46<linbot>dwfreed: Slow down.
17:47<dwfreed>mcintosh: you broke it
17:47<FluffyFoxeh>that was in 2014, idk if that would be considered legitimate anymore
17:47<@jdfriedrikson>dwfreed: I apologize. It's just a frequent excuse I've heard that I've never fully looked into
17:47<@mcintosh>dwfreed: im poking at it :p
17:47<dwfreed>poke harder
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17:47<FluffyFoxeh>by non-associated I mostly mean different rDNS
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17:49<Eugene>millisa - RHEL5 gets Extended Support($$$) through 2020. I believe CentOS will also get that, maybe?
17:49<millisa>those bastards
17:50<Eugene>$CUSTOMER still uses EL5 in production. Its fine :-/
17:50<FluffyFoxeh>my home server runs Debian 7
17:50<millisa>i guess it's just end of 'production 3' that's coming up next month
17:51<FluffyFoxeh>got until May 2018 before I "need" to upgrade
17:51<@jdfriedrikson>dwfreed: okay let me rephrase, for many it's cheaper just to get a bunch of hostnames via SAN than to get original via SNI
17:52<millisa> not sure if centos is going to get anything or not
17:52<@jdfriedrikson>my brain turns into peanut butter near the end of my shift
17:52<@jdfriedrikson>so forgive my minor oversights
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17:53<Eugene>"Extended Lifecycle Support" (2020) isn't a thing for 6 & 7
17:53<fantasymashups>Hi Does Linode back-end infrastructure use KVM with or without OpenStack?
17:53<Eugene>(I elieve it's only for government and ENTERPRISE)
17:53<FluffyFoxeh>it's KVM
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17:54<Eugene>fantasymashups - Linode doesn't discuss specific technologies very often; AFAIK it is Debian-based host OS, with SElinux separation of KVM guests.
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17:54<Eugene>Their dashboard is entirely custom, not openstack-related
17:54<FluffyFoxeh>yeah isn't Openstack just a frontend
17:55<@jdfriedrikson>fantasymashups: for all intents and purposes, you've got a KVM guest
17:55<FluffyFoxeh>can I have it in the form of a kitten?
17:55<fantasymashups>oh gotcha, for fun I bought a 64 core 256 GB server and put it into a desktop full tower lol, I am trying to figure out what to install on it, I figure KVM Openstack. It's a quad socket filled with 4 intel xeon e5-2670's
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17:55<@jdfriedrikson>the super secret infra part of our stuff isn't really open to discussion, sorry
17:55<fantasymashups>I use linode for prod and this thing for some fun math crunchin
17:55<FluffyFoxeh>their backend is made of cats
17:56<@jdfriedrikson>fantasymashups: noice!!! I would just use straight kvm
17:56<@jdfriedrikson>or libvirt
17:56<@jdfriedrikson>haven't really messed with Openstack
17:56<@jdfriedrikson>I'm really behind the times on the super fancy end-to-end solutions for things
17:57<Eugene>OpenStack is a bunch of different parts. In theory, its a replacement for most AWS services
17:57<Eugene>In reality, every distribution has their own "roll" of it, much like httpd is not the same on Debuntu and Fedorafriends
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17:58<@jdfriedrikson>does it automatically generate firewall rules?
17:58<fantasymashups>Eugene jdfriedrikson I am really interested in a VDI like solution so I can put my feet-up downstairs on my couch
17:58<Eugene>It can be "just" S3 and EC2(Swift and Nova), but a useful install would include quite a bit more
17:58<fantasymashups>with my dual 32 inch monitors
17:58<Eugene>jdfriedrikson - "you can do anything at zombostack"
17:58<@jdfriedrikson>I hate anything that touches firewall rules
17:58<Eugene>Its meant to be installed on metal, so yes, yes it does :-p
17:58<@jdfriedrikson>especially if I can't turn it off
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17:58<fantasymashups>I want a really pretty GUI based hypervisor thingie that lets me manage everything from a pretty dashboard including VDI instances lol
17:59<@jdfriedrikson>me ->
17:59<fantasymashups>if such a thing exists, kvm do that?
17:59<fantasymashups>My background is software engineering so not much of an infrastructure guy
17:59<@jdfriedrikson>fantasymashups: look into libvirt/virtmanager
17:59<@jdfriedrikson>you can even control remote libvirt hosts with it
17:59<@jdfriedrikson>I honestly hate libvirt because it touches my firewall rules
17:59<@jdfriedrikson>but it might work for you
18:00<fantasymashups>Does it have a pretty and easy to use GUI?
18:00<@jdfriedrikson>I don't use GUIs
18:00<dwfreed>> quad socket
18:01<@jdfriedrikson>but it does have a GUI. and does management things with it
18:01<dwfreed>> filled with CPUs that only support dual socket config
18:01<fantasymashups>Here it is!
18:01<fantasymashups>Just got it all wired up using custom cables I made lol
18:01<@jdfriedrikson>dwfreed: do you only exist to point out peoples' bullshit? :D
18:01<fantasymashups>I need to get a better cable making kit
18:01<@jdfriedrikson>I need you in my life more often
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18:01<@jdfriedrikson>fantasymashups: that cable management, though
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18:02<fantasymashups>Let me tell you this server board is all proprietary I need to get a better cable making kit lol
18:02<dwfreed>fantasymashups: you need different CPUs if you expect to see 4 CPUs
18:02<fantasymashups>I see all 4
18:02<SNy>He meant with the lid closed.
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18:03<fantasymashups>Those are Intel E5-4650 2.7GHz 8 Core CPUs
18:03<fantasymashups>4 of them
18:03<fantasymashups>256 GB of ram shows up in windows
18:03<fantasymashups>and 64 cores show up
18:03<fantasymashups>bios detects all of'em
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18:04<millisa>I think you said e5-2670's earlier
18:04<fantasymashups>ah sorry I just pulled the numbers and it is "Intel E5-4650 2.7GHz 8 Core CPU"
18:04<@jdfriedrikson>it appears that the bullshit detector is a little off...
18:04<fantasymashups>I'm a software guy so I just reverse engineered the wiring diagram to get it to run without all the proprietary cables and such
18:04<fantasymashups>but I dont know much beyond that
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18:05<@jdfriedrikson>or maybe not
18:05<dwfreed>fantasymashups: 4650 != 2670
18:05<millisa>maybe he was thinking of his linode.
18:05<fantasymashups>ya i know the difference I Just confuse all the numbers
18:05<dwfreed>2670 is 2 socket only; 4650 can do 4 sockets
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18:05<fantasymashups>yup makes sense
18:06<fantasymashups>I'll look into libvirt/virtmanager but I am also curious to use a VDI based solution perhaps, or maybe a OpenStack variant of KVM
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18:06<fantasymashups>I just want a pretty management gui :)
18:07<millisa>though the free version might have a cpu limit you'd hit
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18:07<fantasymashups>ah ya I should say FREE and fully functional haha
18:07<fantasymashups>yea prolly limit
18:07<millisa>they killed the ram limit on the free version with 5.5, but I'm 80% sure it's still a 2 socket limit
18:08<fantasymashups>I have 256GB of RAM with the quad CPU with a 120GB SSD lol
18:08<millisa>you get limited on the number of vcpus you can assign with the free version too
18:08<fantasymashups>ah gotcha
18:08<fantasymashups>I bought a 1TB SSD on its way though
18:08<millisa>even the cheap 'essentials' kit I think still limits you to 2 socket machines (though you get to use it on 3 of them)
18:09<fantasymashups>So how fast is this Quad socket I am using anyway? I don't even know how to know how fast something like this is compared to the other quad socket setups in the server world
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18:11<fantasymashups>I just grabbed something at semi-random
18:11<fantasymashups>hoping it was fast
18:13<millisa>I'm not sure you've asked an answerable question
18:14<fantasymashups>I tend to do that often, I enjoy hearing the response
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18:22<yellowb>Hi - just got a linode account. set up centos. but was expecting to have it setup, apache/mysql/php/... confused why there is no 1 click thing for this?
18:23<TacoThief>yellowb: Linode provides a VPS as an unmanaged service. They do provide a number of great tutorials as well though!
18:24<yellowb>yeah - it looks great..
18:24<yellowb>just didnt want to become a system admin to develop a web app :(
18:24<wraeth>including guides specifically for a LAMP setup ->
18:24<yellowb>mysql not currently isntalling :*(
18:24<yellowb>thanks for the link.. thats what Im following ....
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18:56<FluffyFoxeh>google what are you doing
18:56<FluffyFoxeh>what are these boxes
18:58<relidy>The mobile view ...
18:58<relidy>They do love their A/B ... C/D/E testing though
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19:09<sarnold>a dude popped into #ubuntu-server a few minutes ago asking about /usr/bin/xjrcsubbir and /etc/init.d/xjrcsubbir on his linode; I didn't recognize them and suggested he come here, but he hasn't yet :/ -- are these files something linode would run in user instances by default?
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19:11<arlen>he asked it in #linode on freenode instead
19:11<FluffyFoxeh>doubt it
19:11<Peng>sarnold: Smells like a backdoor to me, but who knows.
19:11<@jleal>I can't imagine the answer is yes, those look fairly malicious - even for some gibberish of a command
19:11<Peng>sarnold: Linode doesn't set up weird daemons by default.
19:12<FluffyFoxeh>I don't know of Linode putting anything special in the images, and if they did I'm sure it'd have a more recognizable name than "xjrcsubbir"
19:12<sarnold>arlen: ah!
19:12<@jleal>we provide you with as vanilla of an image as possible
19:12<Peng>Oh, the user pinged out a few minutes ago.
19:12<FluffyFoxeh>I'd get to scrubbing that box
19:12<sarnold>jleal: <3
19:12<@jleal><3 :)
19:12<mmustac>anyone using KDE Plasma 5.9 ? anygood?
19:12<@jleal>i3wm or bust :)
19:13*jleal scurries off
19:13<Peng>jleal: Do you use Arch?
19:13<mmustac>no no, plz do tell
19:13<FluffyFoxeh>or rather, taking everything import off it, scouring the data thoroughly, and re-doing the server
19:13<sarnold>arlen: did anyone tell him he's likely compromised before he lagged off?
19:13<Peng>sarnold: No. :|
19:13<Peng>Yeah. :X
19:13<FluffyFoxeh>if he comes back, show him this
19:14<Peng>I Googled hte file name and didn't find anything. :/
19:14<mmustac>why are all the screen shots of i3wm on the site have Dexter playing
19:14<mmustac>that show if fucking awful
19:14<sarnold>FluffyFoxeh: omg that's wonderful
19:14<mmustac>doesnt boad well for i3wm
19:15<sarnold>I ran i3wm for a few years quite liked it
19:15<@jleal>If you never want to touch a mouse its a beautiful thing
19:16<FluffyFoxeh>sarnold: thank the Linode folks who wrote it :)
19:16<mmustac>yeah I know jkorang lives it too
19:17<mmustac>just being honest with myself, i might be a bit too pleb for that...I like my oldschool KDE, but thinking about testing the new plasma witha live boot
19:17<@jleal>could go with awesome, heck even fluxbox :)
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19:30<@nbrewer>new plasma is nice, way better than kde4 imo. in terms of lightweight stuff i <3 openbox
19:33<FluffyFoxeh>the only version of KDE that I've used is 4. It was fine, it was the little bugs that bothered me the most. and I hear that KDE 5 isn't much better in that regard, but I haven't tried it personally yet
19:34<@nbrewer>pretty much every version of kde4 was a nightmare for me
19:34<@nbrewer>but 5 is really quite nice
19:35<FluffyFoxeh>stuff like the panel clock randomly not updating by itself anymore, the menu slowing down
19:36<@nbrewer>i seem to remember that it ran ok with akonadi disable, but otherwise stuff would crash pretty regularly
19:37<FluffyFoxeh>oh this happened once, but I think it was because I accidentally had my IGP enabled at the same time as my dedicated gpu
19:37<FluffyFoxeh>wasn't actually caused (directly) by KDE or the kernel update
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20:40<mrjayribs>hello linode!
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20:42<mrjayribs>I had the issue for my DNS "Could not find reverse address for 2800:3f0:4003:c01:0:0:0:1a" can anyone help me
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20:46<kenyon>mrjayribs: that's a google address
20:47<mrjayribs>so how do I fix it
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20:48<kenyon>mrjayribs: get a job at google
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20:49<arlen>where are you seeing this error?
20:49<mrjayribs>arlen: DNS check tool
20:50<arlen>ignore it then?
20:53<mrjayribs>arlen: hm. well the orginal linode testing was not worth it
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20:55<mrjayribs>arlen: sorry, was not working*
20:55<mrjayribs>arlen: multi-tasking
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20:56<arlen>that ip belongs to google, nothing to do with Linode
20:57<arlen>unless I'm misunderstanding something
20:57<mrjayribs>arlen: but I used the Reverse DNS
20:57<mrjayribs>arlen: sorry I'm really new to this.
20:58<arlen>reverse dns of what?
20:59<arlen>I suggest you start from the beginning, explain what it is you're trying to accomplish, what you did, and what you expected to happen
21:05<mrjayribs>sadly I ran out of time
21:08<shirro>i just realised my isp lets me delegate my ipv6 subnet to a dns server. i might have to install nsd and give my connection an offensive PTR record. you can still setup linode nameservers as slaves right?
21:09<dwfreed>note that for PTR records to be useful, they have to be forward-confirmed :P
21:11<shirro>sadly i moved my personal server(s) to another provider that doesn't offer slave nameservers. one more thing in favour of moving back
21:11<arlen>super sad
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21:12<FluffyFoxeh>*crying emoji*
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21:16<shirro>i think i was chasing latency at the time. just looking now and linodes in sg are about 20s less than the other guys but i don't think they were an option at the time
21:16<shirro>20ms. 20 s would indeed be impressive
21:17<Peng>shirro: If you have access to it, you could try
21:21<shirro>scratch the latency diff. was comparing apples and oranges due to different protocols. how reliable is he free dns?
21:22<Eugene>Private IPs don't require a reboot anymore, right?
21:23<Peng>...I think...
21:23<Peng>I'm sure. I think.
21:23<Peng>But you should use IPv SIIIIIIIIIIIIX
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21:36<Eugene>You would not believe this problem if I explained it
21:36<dwfreed>try me
21:36<Eugene>i'm mixing openvpn, IPsec, Linode, and unspeakable cthulian NAT horrors
21:36<Eugene>Also Azure
21:36<Eugene>Because fuck it
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21:39<staticsafe>IPSec on Linux? good luck
21:39<Eugene>Oh, and the Linode is running pfsense
21:39<dwfreed>staticsafe: yeah, there really needs to exist better documentation for setting up IPsec
21:43<arlen>shirro: I use it, no issues so far
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21:55<Omda>I need a help
21:55<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
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21:55<Omda>Thank you Millisa, I just want to get good hosting for my wordpress
21:56<Omda>Because my website is very slow
21:56<rsdehart>you should try Linode
21:56<rsdehart>I hear they're very good
21:56<millisa>People certainly do wordpress hosting at Linode. It's a VPS style hosting setup, you get full root access to setup the system how you please
21:56<Omda>And I read an article, it said you have to get good hosting company
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21:56<Omda>But, it's too expensive
21:57<Omda>Could you tell me the prices?
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21:57<millisa>It's linked right there on the home page up at the top, nice and simple pricing for all!
21:57<rsdehart>is there a trigger for that?
21:57<Omda>wow, too expenisve
21:58<Omda>It calculate per hour lol
21:58<millisa>with the cap you will hit in a month below it.
21:58<millisa>$10 for a month on a 2gb system is actually quite cheap.
21:59<Omda>I see, but how much traffic it can get
21:59<dzho>that is also on the web site
21:59<millisa>It's a few lines below the price
21:59<dzho>Omda: perhaps you are comparing it to shared hosting.
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22:00<nate>Omda: It's hourly calculated but you pay monthly
22:00<nate>it's not $10/hr
22:00<nate>if you get a 2G linode it's $10/month effectively
22:01<nate>but pro-rated hourly so you can run it for, say, 2 days if you want then shut it down and pay for 48 hours of usage, etc
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22:04<Omda>what about traffic size for 2G?
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22:05<millisa>It's right under the price - 2TB transfer in that month for the 2gb linode.
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22:06<millisa>throttled at 125mbps on network out. network in is so large, you'll never likely hit it
22:06<@caker>what about .... breakfast at tiffany's?
22:06<arlen>you buying?
22:06<arlen>I'm in
22:06<millisa>I think I remember the film
22:07<millisa>and as I recall, I think we both kinda liked it?
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22:07<arlen>I didn't exist when it came out
22:09<dwfreed>arlen: neither did most people here
22:09<arlen>we all youngens
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22:28<sean>Hey there, anyone can help or give me link on how to setup ssl certificate to my linode server?
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22:29<millisa>it's different depending you your web server, but did you see these docs?
22:30<sean>let me check tnx millisa
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23:02<jesus>i got a question
23:03<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
23:03<jesus>im currently using aws
23:03<jesus>do your system has a firewall
23:03<jesus>so i can open ports
23:03<jesus>loke aws
23:03<millisa>It's not quite like aws - there's no extra security group layer like they have.
23:03<millisa>but you get root access to a vps - you can setup whatever linux you'd like there and run whatever firewall there that makes you happy
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23:04<jesus>so all the ports are open
23:05<jesus>the reason im asking i managed
23:05<jesus>online pbx
23:05<millisa>linode isn't blocking access to any of the ports on your vps. but you should block nearly all of them.
23:05<millisa>folks have done asterisk type setups at linode
23:05<millisa>a few guides
23:06<jesus>besides the security layer is there a way to block ports
23:06<jesus>from the admin panel and not on the os
23:07<millisa>you'll need to do it at the OS level
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23:30<jesus>what procesor does the linodes comes with
23:30<jesus>sorry type
23:31<millisa>they don't guarantee any specific proc, but they are all intel xeon's, fairly recent.
23:31<jesus>and speed
23:31<millisa>e5-2680 v3 is on one of the ones I spun up 6 or so month ago
23:31<FluffyFoxeh>this is what mine's got
23:31<FluffyFoxeh>model name : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2680 v3 @ 2.50GHz
23:32<millisa>same deal - they don't make a specific speed, but most of the ones I've seen around in the 2.5ish to 2.8ish ghz range.
23:32<jesus>im just checking to see if i test out the system
23:32<FluffyFoxeh>I find they're fast enough
23:33<jesus>how about network speed
23:33<FluffyFoxeh>it's on the pricing page
23:33<FluffyFoxeh>for a Linode 2GB it's 40 Gbps in, and 125 Mbps out
23:33<FluffyFoxeh>from the perspective of the Linode
23:35<jesus>oh yes i just wanted your opinion
23:36<FluffyFoxeh>I've found that generally on Linode I've gotten what I paid for
23:36<millisa>oh, opinions! I have lots of those. ditto - what they list you really get. if you want to do a few speedtests:
23:37<jesus>ok perfect al sign up
23:38<millisa>Check out
23:40<jesus>o one more thing do the come with public ip
23:40<linbot>Each Linode comes with 1 public IPv4 address and 1 public IPv6 address. Additional IPv4 addresses are $ 1 per month, and require technical justification. A /64 or /56 of IPv6 can be routed to your Linode at no charge.
23:41<FluffyFoxeh>wouldn't be very useful without a public IP
23:43<jesus>iknow but i always aked you be surprised wit a couple of cloud vendors
23:44<jesus>if get the linode48 can i run multiple vps or just one instance
23:45<rsdehart>jesus: you can run as many as you care to pay for
23:46<millisa>a linode48 describes one running instance (well, or shutdown instance). you could break the disk allocation up into multiple images that you could boot into, but you wouldn't run them simultaneously
23:47<jesus>so they just be add it to my account
23:47<jesus>do you managed a network swith so can route the trafic betwen them
23:47<jesus>or create a firewall
23:48<jesus>for all of them
23:48<millisa>there's a private network, but it's not like the aws networking group - it's not private to you. other systems at the same datacenter are on the same network
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23:48<millisa>(treat it with the same level of security you treat your public interface)
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23:50<jesus>i asked it wrong sorry is there like add on for me to get so i can managed my own
23:51<jesus>just want to make sure to block all ports with a firewall
23:51<jesus>conected to my vps
23:51<millisa>not yet. I'd like it, too.
23:52<jesus>i currently run 48 vps on aws thats why i asked
23:52<jesus>and i was looking for a bbter price solution
23:52<jesus>i your vps are in that price
23:52<jesus>looking to save a coople a buck for my customers
23:53<millisa>price per GB of ram, Linode should beat out the aws side, just comparing a linode to one of the standard instances.
23:54<millisa>but if you need some of the other bits that aws offers (the security groups, internal network, attachable extra storage, etc) . . .
23:56<jesus>you vps linode2 is 10 and on aws is 33 +storage +more
23:56<millisa>the m4.large compared against the Linode 8gb is probably the easiest place to do the comparison
23:58<jesus>thanks for your help
23:58<millisa>sure thing
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