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---Logopened Wed Feb 08 00:00:36 2017
00:01<Eugene>I have a ~1.4TB dataset that I'm going to be creating a torrent for. I'm anticipating to have a decent number of leeches, mostly for individual files. Any advice or interest in how to seed this monster? I have a gigabit home connection, and an OVH dedi server, so in theory I can kickstart a swarm without taking toooo long
00:01<Eugene>Yes, this is legal data.
00:06<millisa>is s3 ruled out?
00:07<millisa> ?
00:07<Eugene>The transfer costs would be prohibitive - this is volunteer work
00:08<Eugene>Even downloading it once would break my budget
00:09<AlexMax>somehow i wonder if the reason amazon is doing so well is that big companies just look at the bill, shrug, and pay it
00:09<FluffyFoxeh>what's the data Eugene ?
00:09<Eugene>"linux isos"
00:09<FluffyFoxeh>you said it was legal
00:09<Eugene>It is legal
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01:59*he slaps cmullen around a bit with a large fishbot
01:59<he>belongs to the company?
02:01<millisa>that looks like it might be a linode IP in frankfurt, why do you ask?
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02:02<he>reporte abuse
02:03<he>facebook fake
02:03<millisa>You'll want to mail them at, include any logs or relevant info
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04:11<rick111>Eugene: can it be broken down somewhat? I'd happy take 10GB off it for you to help initial seed, but obviously that's a very small part of a large pie.
04:12<rick111>on the assumption it's legal non for profit blah blah.
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06:41<gotam>my account has been cancelled.
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06:42<gotam>we got mail saying that due in payment . we paid but forgot to reply to that ticket .
06:43<gotam>this is not fair
06:43<gotam>is there any option to get that account back ?
06:45<Cromulent>I'd email Linode and see what they say
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07:02<rick111>i'm hungey
07:02<rick111>wtf is hungey
07:03<rick111>why was I born with a brain that operates at less Hz than the general poplulation?
07:03<rick111>shit gets me down
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07:40<arlen>it'll be ok
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08:37<linbot>New news from forum: Sales Questions and Answers • What Tier of Data center does Linode use? <>
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09:12<rick111>thnaks arlen
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09:14<@jdfriedrikson>Eugene: rtorrent + configuration management?
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09:15<@jdfriedrikson>wait hmmm. I wonder what hosting provider would be able to hold that much data. I'm slow.
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09:25<Peng>Sketchy dedicated server provider would prob'ly be best
09:25<Peng>No offense to Linode. :P
09:26<@jleal>( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
09:26<Peng>You could use DigitalOcean! $5/month VPS, $140/month extra storage. :P
09:27<dwfreed>or just a bunch of OVH dedis
09:28<Knofte>what are you trying to solve?
09:28<dwfreed>seeding of a 1.4 TB dataset
09:29<Knofte>Why would anyone do that in 1 torrent?
09:29<dwfreed>it probably won't be
09:29<Knofte>ah, that's what his question sounded like.
09:29<dwfreed>but you don't have to download the entire contents of a torrent
09:29<dwfreed>because it won't be just 1 file in the torrent, but many
09:29<Knofte>no, but it's better in terms of seeders.
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09:30<Knofte>the torrentfile itsefl witll be ~6MB or so. Just verifying data will take hours and hours.
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09:30<dwfreed>the initial seeders can easily share the dataset through some other means
09:30<Knofte>i did that with porn back in the day, and it's defo not worth it. Much easier to have smaller torrents than 1 large.
09:31<Knofte>it took some 4 hours to verify data on the full file :p
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09:32<dwfreed>shouldn't it verify as it goes? as mentioned, it'd be *a lot* of smaller files, not 1 single 1.4 TB file
09:33<@jdfriedrikson>I wonder if it would be easy to set up a master-slave sort of thing with seedboxes
09:33<Peng>so how long would it take BitTorrent to verify 1.4 TB with an HDD and a Cortex A9 CPU? :D
09:33<@jdfriedrikson>can you do read-only with gluster or ceph?
09:33<Knofte>well, as long as they're in the same .torrent file, it'll still be extremily slow to verify the data. of course it does it at every download-part, however if you ever need to re-check it. damn :)
09:33<Peng>Never reboot!!
09:33<Knofte>Peng: half a day? :)
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09:33<@jdfriedrikson>Peng: it is the Linux way
09:34<Peng>Never fsck!!!
09:34<Knofte>But sure, as long asyou at least have 1 seed on good line 10-100+, it's fine to download whatever though.
09:34<Knofte>Peng: you're just blurting stuff out now right?
09:34<dwfreed>Knofte: what difference would it make then if you had to recheck 10,000 torrents versus 1 torrent? the end result is the same
09:34<Knofte>next will be "Never Trump" =)
09:35<Knofte>dwfreed: for the end users, that only need 10 of your 10k - a lot. =)
09:35<dwfreed>how so? they've already requested to not download most of the contents
09:35<Knofte>if they _all_ need the total 1.4TB, then sure, it makes sence.
09:36<Knofte>dwfreed: torrent still checks if checksums/data is there, it skips a lot indeed, but it'll still be slower than just checking 1 torrent with 60checksums for a 100M file. Rather than 1million+ checksums to find those 100M file inside.
09:36<Knofte>kinda like grep in a small file versus a large file.
09:37<Knofte>it can skip most of it of course, but still it'll be slower and for people who use zero-fill - wows.
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09:37<Knofte>Then again, if a certian % will download the full torrent - then yeah, sure it might be easier to have it as 1 file.
09:38<Knofte>not sure if you'll find anyone to mirror it though since there's usually a max-size for fileupload of 2M, and this .torrent will be a bit bigger =)
09:38<Knofte>Anyways, up to the sharer i guess.
09:40<Peng>I kind of want to watch someone run this off an ARM dedicated server.
09:40<Peng>It would take all day to start. :D
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10:04<Anthony>Any of you using nginx config?
10:05<Anthony>I'd like to know how to go to
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10:05<Guest233>I have set like this..
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10:06<Guest233>server_name; root var/www/html; index googlewebmastercoding.html
10:06<Guest233>why it is not working?
10:08<alexf>!to Guest233 ask
10:08<linbot>Guest233: If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
10:08<alexf>Guest233: you're not giving enough/the right information. Read dat link mon
10:09<Knofte>Guest233: remove thefile-part from servern_namehtml. just put the domain name.
10:09<alexf>BUT, it sounds like you're trying to configure individual html files within your nginx config, and that's now how that shit works
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10:14<Guest233>yes you are right, i am trying to configure the individual html files for the sake of google webmaster.. server_name supposed to be domain name only without individual files, but the problem is the domain is on live. I want to separate them, one for google analytics and another one is common web. Any solution?
10:15<Guest233>since the server_name is
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10:16<Guest233>Or is it possible to make two roots?
10:16<Peng>It is.
10:16<Peng>You can use different alias or root directives in different location blocks.
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10:17<Guest233>let me try
10:18<Guest233>i have tried and it is still doesnt work, the error is "because the control process exited with error code".
10:18<Guest233>one root at var/www/html/public; and another root is var/www/html/;
10:19<Peng>You probably want a "/" before "var"
10:19<Peng>I don't think that issue would prevent Nginx from starting, though.
10:19<Peng>Read error.log and use 'nginx -T' to check your configuration is valid
10:19<Guest233>sorry i did it.. /var/www/html/public; and /var/www/html; too
10:20<Guest233>Alright, i will check the log first
10:22<@jdfriedrikson>as Peng said: nginx -T
10:22<@jdfriedrikson>is your friend
10:22<@jdfriedrikson>in this case
10:23<Guest233>the error is "root" directive is duplicate..
10:23<Guest233>I dont think we can make two roots on the same server_name
10:25<Guest233>i tried server_name --> this one doesn't work too..
10:26<alexf>Guest233: that won't ever work. You want to make directives for directories, not server_name blocks for html files.
10:26<alexf>Read the nginx configuration guides
10:27<Guest233>lol, since I am too new for nginx user.. I'd like to know the solution from you guys..
10:28<Guest233>Question is same server_name but different path.. so one directly go to real website, and another one directly go to google analytics
10:28<alexf>Guest233: the solution is not to get someone else to write your configuration. The solution is to learn how to do it properly, now and forever
10:30<Guest233>So maybe you can share the logic?
10:33<Guest233>Thanks for the guide, although its not helping
10:35<Peng>You can use a location block that matchs a single file, and use a different root for it.
10:35<Peng>"I dont think we can make two roots on the same server_name"
10:35<Peng>You can.
10:36<Peng>You can't have two roots in the same context, becasue that doesn't make sense. But you can have different contexts.
10:36<@jdfriedrikson>you can, but it's probably not what you want
10:38<alexf>You can do a lot of things that are still terribad ideas
10:40<@jdfriedrikson>a revision in goals likely needs to be made. it's easier to go about your life's journey with additional understanding.
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10:47<Guest233>Yeah Peng, thank you for the logic. I am trying to set different locations :)
10:47<Guest233>Thank you alexf for the criticsm :)
10:48<alexf>You're welcome!
10:49<alexf>I've been where you are, and I'd much rather have someone telling me that what I'm doing is a bad idea than someone helping me to acheive my bad idea.
10:50<alexf>Hell, that's still half of my IRC conversations in other channels
10:53<Eliz>alexf: you should see some of my location blocks lol
10:54<Guest233>It is common for new developers which are inexperieced, i have gone thru. I am sure we all have gone through like this :) And I am still doing the location things..
10:54<alexf>Eliz: no thanks. I've moved to a company that handles all the back-end configuration. I shouldn't have to look any someone elses hosts configuration ever again
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10:55<alexf>Guest233: it's also common to read all the documentation you can
10:55<Eliz>alexf: just small stuff, but still funny things I suppose
10:55<Guest233>This is very tricky. This "Location / { }" things duplicate again..
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10:55<Eliz>mostly for my letsencrypt automation infrastructure
10:55<Guest233>must be so funny..
10:56<alexf>Eliz: how coincedental. I'm currently writing a guide on using LE with WordPress
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10:57<clemson>hey guys, can anyone here help me with a Wordpress installation?
10:57<clemson>I followed the steps yet my domain name in chrome is still showing the default apache confirmation
10:57<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
10:58<@jdfriedrikson>clemson: it's likely a misconfiguration with the virtual hosts
10:59<clemson>Ok, I'll look at that now. I have another question: in the wordpress tutorial, it states to give the web server's user, www-data, permissions on the home directory. Do I replace www-data with the username I'm logged into as, or do I keep it www-data?
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11:00<alexf>clemson: Linode's tutorial doesn't say that. What turorial are you looking at?
11:00<clemson>"Install WordPress on Ubuntu 16.04"
11:00<clemson>The tutorial states, "2. Set your web server’s user, www-data, as the owner of your site’s home directory:"
11:01<alexf>that's a bad use of the term 'home directory', which usually means something in /home/$USER
11:01<clemson>I think it means /var/www/html/
11:01<alexf>I blame whoever was running Linode's docs last October
11:02<relidy>!point alexf
11:02<alexf>and the answer is "no"
11:02<linbot>relidy: Point given to alexf (1).
11:02<alexf>clemson: you definitely want the owner of that directory to be `www-data` and not your user
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11:02<clemson>Ok, that's what I did
11:02<alexf>because www-data is the user that the Apache web server runs as (kind of), and needs to be able to own and write to those files
11:03<clemson>So other than that, I followed the instructions exactly and replaced all's with my own domain name
11:03<clemson>yet it's still not showing on the browser
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11:03<alexf>clemson: domain?
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11:04<alexf>Figured it out
11:05<clemson>What's the problem?
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11:05<alexf>no matter what changes you make to your virtual host or wordpress files, if your domain still points to a GoDaddy IP address it won't load anything from your Linode
11:05<clemson>It's a namecheap domain, but I assume it works both ways
11:06<alexf>I missed the e in your domain
11:06<alexf>!boo alexf
11:06<linbot>alexf: Error: You do not have access to this feature.
11:06<@jdfriedrikson>!boo alexf
11:06<linbot>jdfriedrikson: Error: You do not have access to this feature.
11:06<alexf>lol, linbot is so fucky
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11:06*jleal pets linbot
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11:06<linbot>jdfriedrikson: Point given to jleal (2). Their biggest fan is mcintosh (1).
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11:07<@jdfriedrikson>I'm now your biggest fan
11:07<sweitzman>alexf <3
11:07<alexf>clemson: look in /ets/apache2/sites-enabled
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11:08<clemson>I'ev got a
11:08<alexf>if you have the virtual host file for your wordpress site *and* the default one, then remove the default one from that directory and reload the service
11:08<alexf>clemson: that's the only one? And you're definitely looking in sites-enabled ?
11:08<clemson>The is the only one under /etc/apache2/sites-enabled
11:08<alexf>use a pastebin and let us see the contents of that file
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11:09<clemson>How do I use a pastebin?
11:09<clemson>I'm sorry I'm new to this so that's probably an idiotic question
11:09<alexf>wait, I have a better idea
11:10<alexf>cat /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ | curl -F 'sprunge=<-'
11:10<clemson>do you want the url that it spit out after that command?
11:11<clemson>I just configured the file exactly how the LAMP tutorial for Ubuntu 16.04 told me to
11:12<clemson>But most likely I missed a stupid step or somthing
11:13<alexf>did you run step 5 under ? In other words, is there an index.php file in public_html?
11:13<alexf>also: you have restarted apache to make changes take affect, right?
11:14<clemson>There is an index.php under the public html. Every time it told me to restart apache, I did.
11:14<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
11:14<clemson>What's the command to restart apache? I can do it again reall quickly
11:15<alexf>!point dwfreed
11:15<linbot>alexf: Point given to dwfreed (3).
11:15<alexf>clemson: on 16.04 it's 'sudo systemctl restart apache2.service'
11:15<@jdfriedrikson>service apache2 restart || systemctl restart apache2 || systemctl restart httpd
11:16<alexf>jdfriedrikson: httpd naming doesn't work in debian based distros, does it?
11:16<clemson>Ok, I ran your command alex
11:16<alexf>in any case, I'm going to defer to jdfriedrikson from this point on and get back to my real job
11:16<@jdfriedrikson>if you notice, I gave commands relevant to most common distros
11:17<@jdfriedrikson>I can't really walk you through this right now, but if there's someone else here that's interested in helping I'm sure they will
11:17<alexf>jdfriedrikson: you have extraneous information to the current situation, given the information already provided.
11:17<alexf>but now I'm just being a dick ;)
11:18<@jdfriedrikson>alexf: I'm sorry. I forgot that you don't work support anymore.
11:18<alexf>lol, not for about 4 years now
11:19<clemson>Do you know when anyone will be available that can help me?
11:20<alexf>this is community chat. There are no guarantees in here
11:20<clemson>But you didn't see any problems with my virtual host file?
11:21<alexf>not at a quick glace. Make sure everything everywhere is specifying `/var/www/html/...` and not just /var/www/...`.
11:22<alexf>but honestly, the only way you should get that default page is if the default virtual hosts block is still live
11:22<alexf>Or if your other block is still pointing to where the example index.html file is, not where your wordpress directory is
11:23<alexf>You're not using Apache
11:23<clemson>What do you mean?
11:23<alexf>I tried to fo to, and got a 404 page provided BY NGINX
11:24<clemson>Is that a command
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11:25<alexf>No, it's another web hosting software. You have both installed (or you wouldn't have the apache default index page), but nginx is the one binding to port 80
11:25<clemson>I don't get how I have another web hosting software when it was a blank linode before I started working on it
11:26<clemson>How can I remove the other one?
11:26<@jdfriedrikson>if you don't know exactly what you're doing, you can do anything
11:26<@jdfriedrikson>apt-get purge apache2
11:26<alexf>don't run that
11:26<@jdfriedrikson>or not ^
11:26<alexf>jdfriedrikson: if he's running wordpress and is a noob, he's better off keeping apache and removing nginx
11:26<@jdfriedrikson>systemctl stop nginx && systemctl start apache
11:26<@nbrewer>hoenstly, unless you have a preference - i would use apache if you're new to self-hosting wordpress
11:27<alexf>nbrewer: ++
11:27<@nbrewer>yeah, less php to mess with manually
11:27<@jdfriedrikson>nginx > apache, but apache is a bit easier for php
11:27<alexf>agreed JD
11:27<clemson>so run "systemctl stop nginx && systemctl start apache"?
11:27<alexf>now I'm *really* leaving to GBTW, having found the issue and saving the say
11:28<@jdfriedrikson>clemson: maybe
11:28<alexf>s/say/day | man, I'm getting spoiled by the edit feature of slack.
11:28<@jdfriedrikson>can't really say for sure becauses I don't own the system
11:30<clemson>is there a sure fire way to disable NGINX? And will it screw anything else up?
11:30<@jdfriedrikson>systemctl disable nginx; systemctl stop nginx; killall nginx
11:31<clemson>I'm just getting errors
11:31<@jdfriedrikson>I can't answer whether it will screw anything else though
11:31<linbot>Please paste longer snippets over at and not in the channel
11:32<clemson>"Failed to stop nginx.service: the name org.freedesktop.policyhit1 was not provided by any .service files"
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11:34<@jdfriedrikson>you'll want to do it as root
11:35<dwfreed>there's a spelling error there
11:35<dwfreed>not sure if you typed it wrong, or if that's a copy/paste and that's the actual error
11:35<clemson>I know, it's supposed to be "policykit1"
11:35<clemson>Ok, I ran as root and it looks like it worked I think
11:36<clemson>Now is giving the apache2 default page
11:37<clemson>Still no wordpress though
11:37<@jdfriedrikson>sudo -- sh -c 'systemctl disable nginx; systemctl stop nginx; killall nginx'
11:38<@jdfriedrikson>well that's at least an improvement
11:38<clemson>you want me to run that full command?
11:38<@jdfriedrikson>not if you've disabled nginx
11:38<clemson>Yes I disabled it with systemctl disable nginx
11:40<clemson>is there anything else I can try now or should I just go to the support phone call and see if they can do anything
11:41<@jdfriedrikson>try this: sudo apache2ctl -S
11:42<@jdfriedrikson>it's a probably a virtual hosts thing
11:42<@jdfriedrikson>if not then you'll have to change the document root for the virtualhost config you have for your site
11:42<clemson>All right, I ran that command. Do you want the information that it gave me?
11:43<@jdfriedrikson>sudo systemctl restart apache2
11:43<@jdfriedrikson>also, your site's in /var/www/html right?
11:44<clemson>Yes, the file is under /var/www/html
11:44<clemson>Ok, I restarted
11:44<@jdfriedrikson>still being served by nginx -_-
11:44<clemson>There is also an index.html file under /var/www/html that isn't with the site file
11:45<@jdfriedrikson>sudo -- sh -c 'systemctl disable nginx; systemctl stop nginx; killall nginx'
11:45<@jdfriedrikson>sudo -- sh -c 'systemctl enable apache2; systemctl start apache2'
11:45<@jdfriedrikson>then give me the output of 'sudo ss -plnt'
11:47<@jdfriedrikson>sudo lsof -p 31431
11:47<clemson>Oh shit I just refreshed and the wordpress setup came up
11:47<@jdfriedrikson>good job!
11:47<@jdfriedrikson>now configure it before someone else does
11:48<clemson>Let me see if I can go through with it
11:48<@jdfriedrikson>hmmm actually you should be fine
11:48<clemson>is my database host just localhost?
11:50<clemson>Ah looks like its working
11:50<clemson>THank you so much
11:50<clemson>I appreciate all the help
11:51<@jdfriedrikson>no prob!
11:51<@jdfriedrikson>have fun
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12:15<anon_world>pastor pit
12:16<anon_world>why am i here
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12:16<PastorPit>to explore unknown debts of the network
12:16<anon_world>the network
12:16<anon_world>so that will stop my dad from beating me
12:17<PastorPit>Hardly. But it can help you to start beating your dad.
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12:18<anon_world>i could just kill him\
12:18<PastorPit>You can do anything. The question is - will you regret it?
12:18<anon_world>no not really
12:18<PastorPit>Then - do as you wish.
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13:17<malshar>hi all, im not sure if this is the right place to place a question! is it ?
13:19<linbot>If you have a question, feel free to just ask it -- someone's always willing to help. If you don't get a response right away, be patient! You may want to read
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13:23<malshar>i have just opted in for the free upgrade of my linode RAM but my server is non functioning after the upgrade,,, i can't ssh and apache not working, even apt-get update not working
13:24<@jdfriedrikson>malshar: it's probably a reboot that did it and not the upgrade itself
13:26<malshar>i rebooted ,, problem still persist. if i login via `lish and try to restart apache it says fail and this is the error:
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13:27<malshar>Restarting web server apache2 mktemp: failed to create file via templa
13:27<malshar>te '/tmp/tmp.XXXXXXXXXX': Read-only file syste
13:27<dwfreed>sounds like you need to fsck
13:28<dwfreed>you suck, linbot
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13:28<linbot>Finnix --
13:28<dwfreed>wow, that's an old link
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13:28<dwfreed>linbot: alias add finnix echo Finnix --
13:28<linbot>dwfreed: I have performed your operation, meatsack. How many days until your little fire burns out? days--; Bwahahahahahaha!
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13:30<@jdfriedrikson>malshar: please read any words given carefully. I said that a reboot likely caused it, not for you to reboot your Linode. No one will likely be able to help you if you miss details
13:31<malshar>I'm going to check the link from linbot and will report
13:31<malshar>i now understand
13:31<dwfreed>jdfriedrikson: it sounds like he already tried rebooting
13:31<malshar>what should i do
13:31<dwfreed>jdfriedrikson: before you said something
13:32<dwfreed>malshar: do what you already said you were going to do
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13:32<@jdfriedrikson>malshar: it's likely a network misconfiguration or filesystem corruption. hopefully is the prior
13:32<malshar>excellent thanks, will report back
13:32<dwfreed>jdfriedrikson: since when is "read-only filesystem" a network misconfiguration?
13:32<dwfreed>!boo jdfriedrikson
13:32<linbot>dwfreed: Point taken from jdfriedrikson (-3). Their least biggest fan is dwfreed (-2).
13:33<FluffyFoxeh>least biggest fan
13:33<FluffyFoxeh>smallest fan?
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13:34<FluffyFoxeh>I blame linbot
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14:02<malshar>i have tried rescue mode (fsck) but no errors, yet when i go back to normal mode i get an error trying to start apache >> * The apache2 configtest failed. <<
14:03<malshar>any hints
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14:03<malshar>even apt-get update fails
14:04<@nbrewer>that's probably not a disk issue. what do you see when you run apt-get update?
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14:08<malshar>i can't get the whole screen
14:08<dwfreed>malshar: what do you get when you run 'mount -o remount,rw /'
14:09<malshar>EXT4-fs (sda): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro
14:10<dwfreed>so something is not remounting your rootfs read-write
14:10<malshar>this is beyond my capabilities right now,
14:11<malshar>this just happened when i opted in for the free ram upgrade
14:12<dwfreed>it would have happened if you'd rebooted, too
14:12<malshar>oh wow
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14:12<malshar>i wonder what is the root cause
14:13<dwfreed>there's probably an error somewhere in the boot log; support would be able to find it easiest
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14:13<malshar>ok, i will start a ticket
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14:21<leoleo>hi i have a question
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14:22<leoleo>i have just registered and i you took 5 bucks from my credit card
14:22<leoleo>but where in dashbaord i can see final date until which my linode works?
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14:23<leoleo>as far as i understand it should be 24 Feb 2017 as i have Linode 2GB
14:24<relidy>!to leoleo billing
14:24<Peng>It doesn't give a prediction like that, as such.
14:24<Peng>It will keep running forever. You'll be invoiced and charged March 1.
14:25<leoleo>so i have to pay 10 bucks at March 1?
14:26<Peng>No, you'd have to pay a prorated fee for the services you used in February, minus the $5 you already paid.
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14:26<Peng>Approximately $7.50.
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14:26<Peng>Approximately $2.50.
14:27<Peng>The invoice for the month would be approximately $7.50 ($10 a month for 3 weeks), of which $5 would be paid from your existing credit, and about $2.50 would be charged.
14:27<Peng>....Right? ....
14:29<leoleo>so you get money at the end of month - not in advance - right?
14:32<Eugene>leoleo - an initial credit is required to start your account(to prove you're a real human being). Invoices are generated on the 1st of the month, or if your usage exceeds a $50 limit(I think? It can be raised with a ticket) during the month. Your credit will be used before charging your card.
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14:33<leoleo>ok i think i got it thanks
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14:36<Peng>Somehow Linode billing is both very simple and intuitive, and very complicated and difficult to understand.
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14:44<Eugene>Explaining simple things is hard
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15:38<alexf>Anyone having issues where Linode Images won't work, claims your drive is using more space than it actually is?
15:39<dwfreed>alexf: issues with fs waste; copy the data to another disk image 2 GB or smaller
15:39<millisa>(and yes. I just haven't tried to fix it like dwfreed said)
15:39<dwfreed>I'd have to spend some quality time with the ext4 on-disk format to figure out the specifics, but basically it decides it can't make the disk that small
15:39<alexf>dwfreed: can I resize the existing disk (plan on destroying it after anyway.
15:39<dwfreed>you probably won't be able to resize it small enough, either
15:40<millisa>it'll probably complain at the same size that the image taking ui complains it is
15:40<Zimsky>I bet I could resize it
15:40<@jleal>alexf: you could also dd zeros over the free space, theres also an issue where the compressors doesnt care about inode states
15:40<Zimsky>I can resize anything.
15:40<@jleal>makes for great compression ratios, and will likely resolve the issue you are seeing
15:40<alexf>jleal: how would I do that, just start a runnaway dd process from /dev/zero?
15:41<dwfreed>or boot into finnix and run 'zerofree /dev/sda'
15:41<dwfreed>either works pretty much the same
15:41<dwfreed>zerofree is ext* specific, though
15:41<dwfreed>also requires the filesystem to not be mounted
15:41<millisa>gonna try the zerofree method right now
15:42<alexf>does one run zerofree on mounted or unmounted drives?
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15:42<dwfreed>since jleal missed the n
15:42*alexf is glad he asked, unmounts
15:43<@jleal>command not found!
15:43<alexf>which uses umount
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15:43<dwfreed>mil-is-smrt: smrt is best spelling
15:43<mil-is-smrt>oh yeah . . .that was my znc system. I is sort.
15:43<mil-is-smrt>er, smrt
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15:46<Zimsky>for a while I thought mil-is-smrt was either some random person supporting millisa or mocking her
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15:48<mil-is-smrt>no love on the zero free method (it actually ended up with it claiming the disk was about 200 mb larger).
15:48<alexf>zerofree ftl
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15:48<alexf>mine came out the same according to Images
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15:49<mil-is-smrt>my last attempt at doing the image was a few days ago, which could account for the 200mb difference I suppose
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15:50<Zimsky>*golf clap*
15:50<Eugene>ur a golf
15:50<Zimsky>I am!
15:50<Zimsky>finally, someone accepts me for who I really am.
15:50*Zimsky belts Eugene across the nose
15:50*Eugene charges $20
15:50<Zimsky>this is how my people show appreciation.
15:51<Zimsky>we do not believe in money
15:51<Zimsky>or salt
15:51<Zimsky>or chairs, for that matter
15:51<Zimsky>the club is the way
15:51<Zimsky>┐(◉‿ ◉;)┌
15:51*alexf mutes Zimsky
15:51<Zimsky>do it
15:51<alexf>I can't anymore.
15:52<alexf>I'm like Q in ep 3x13
15:52<Zimsky>someone else potentially watching this conversation can
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15:55<abhi>I am looking to buy a server to deploy my nodejs app with mongo database
15:56<abhi>but i am not sure which plan to select as this is first time i am trying to buy one
15:56<abhi>can anyone help please..
15:56<millisa>Well, fortunately for you, you can pick wrong and resize!
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15:57<abhi>Ok. Thanks..
15:57<millisa> is a reference on how to do it
15:57<abhi>But lets say
15:58<abhi>i buy Linode 4GB which gives 4 GB RAM 2 CPU Cores 48 GB SSD Storage 3 TB Transfer 40 Gbps Network In 250 Mbps Network Out
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15:58<abhi>so this 48GB storage will be used by databse?
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15:59<alexf>abhi: it will be used by your server, which includes your DB along with all your other files
15:59<csnxs>by whatever wants to use it
15:59<relidy>abhi: That's the total storage available to you. How it's allocated is up to you.
15:59<Woet>abhi: wouldnt it be a good idea to learn the basics of system administration before buying an unmanaged linux vps?
15:59<millisa>you don't even have to allocate it all, either
15:59<abhi>and whats this network in and network out...I know maybe i sound a bit foolish but have little clue on this for now :)
15:59<alexf>Woet: that's mean. Tue, but mean.
15:59<nate>abhi: That's your network traffic capacity
15:59<alexf>abhi: Network in is how much network traffic can go iiinnnn....
15:59<nate>it means you can, at 'maximum' have up to 40Gbit/s coming into your linode, and 250Mbit/s going out from your linode
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16:00<abhi>ahh. so its all about how much scalable this server is..
16:00<abhi>how much traffic it can handle..
16:00<alexf>Enough of this! Let's go back to my problems!
16:00<nate>only outbound traffic is counted towards your 3TB transfer limit
16:00<Woet>alexf: its like buying a car without ever having been in one and asking what the steering wheel does.
16:01<alexf>Woet: I'd say it's more like buying a manual without knowing how to drive stick
16:01<Woet>alexf: disagreed, "storage" is a core concept
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16:02<alexf>Again, this is time we could be spending helping ME out
16:02<dumle29>is it possible to clone a linode?
16:02<alexf>let's get on the same page guys
16:02<nate>people still don't know how to drive a stick? tsk tsk
16:02<Eugene>I am not a book
16:02<nate>dumle29: Indeed
16:02<dumle29>nate: So would I setup a new linode first_
16:02<alexf>dumle29: see the "clone" tab
16:02<nate>Or more directly;
16:03<dumle29>alexf: Thanks. Do I clone the config profiles and disks? oh links :D
16:03<abhi>Guys .. no offense . I am trying to understand how things work in terms of server setup and trying to setup my first app. Thanks anyways for giving me some basic idea. will explore more on this.. Thanks again
16:03<Woet>if only there was a site where you could enter something like "linode clone" and it'd give you links with an explantion
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16:03<Woet>that'd be brilliant
16:03<dumle29>Woet: That's a good idea. You should make that.
16:03<alexf>Woet: again, mean but not untrue
16:03<Woet>alexf: that's me in a nutshell.
16:03<dumle29>You could become a billionair
16:04<Woet>would i be able to spell googol properly though
16:04<dumle29>Okay, another question that I doubt I can google my way to. How likely is it, that in 1 month there'll be 10 Franfurt DE locations available?
16:05<Woet>i'd be more curious why you'd be asking..
16:06<alexf>dumle29: do you mean 10 serparate data centers?
16:06<dumle29> nah, just 10 2GB linodes
16:06<alexf>Oh, almost certainly
16:06<dumle29>we need to run 10 servers for a weekend, but would prefer not to pay for them already
16:06<dumle29>alexf: Neat. I'm used to cheaper options always being "out of stock"
16:06<alexf>urmom is out of stock
16:06<Zimsky>no she's not
16:07<Zimsky>I reordered
16:07<Zimsky>I got ya fam
16:07<Zimsky> the back of my car
16:07<Zimsky>WHAT A TWIST
16:07<dwfreed>Linode is basically never out of stock
16:08<dumle29>cool :)
16:08<dwfreed>any out of stock conditions are temporary anyway, they'll just turn up another host
16:08<MajObviousman>some data centers they are
16:08<MajObviousman>Tokyo 1 comes to mind
16:08<dwfreed>that one is outside their control
16:08<MajObviousman>also, they'll turn up urmom
16:08<dumle29>I'd imagine with a host like linode, where you don't pay the bare minimum, they can afford to spin up new servers as eneded
16:08<dwfreed>but now there's tokyo2 anyway
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16:47<millisa>I tried creating a new disk (same size), booted to finnix and rsync'd the data from old->new. booted onto the new disk and tried imaging it, and it still complained about the disk size being about 1.1gb bigger than what was used.
16:47<millisa>Tried creating a 2gb disk, same steps, booted into it. create image = worked
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16:49<dwfreed>millisa: yeah, it's, uh, odd
16:50<millisa>I guess I didn't try using zerofree on that copied disk that was the same size as the original
16:50<dwfreed>it would have been all zeros anyway
16:50<millisa>should have been
16:54<millisa>alexf: in case you wanted the steps I used:
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20:50<clemson>hey guys, I'm back again with another problem. Hopefully you guys can help. I've installed wordpress on my linode, but when I try to upload a theme, it tells me that it exceeds the max file size in php.ini. So I went to php.ini and changed Upload_max_filesize top 64M, yet it still gives me the error. Does anyone know what could be wrong?
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20:52<dwfreed>you really should install the theme manually
20:52<dwfreed>Wordpress should not have write access to its own files
20:52<dwfreed>that's how most Wordpress security vulnerabilities start
20:52<clemson>How can I install the theme manually? Through FTP?
20:52<dwfreed>preferably over SSH
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20:53<clemson>I'm a bit confused as to why the Wordpress Linode guide recommends increasing the file limit if anything over 2 megs needs to be installed manually
20:55<dwfreed>I'm saying it should be installed manually because you shouldn't allow wordpress to write to its own files, not because of any other reason
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20:57<Zimsky>I stopped reading after "I've installed wordpress on my linode"
20:57<Zimsky>because as far as I could see, that was his only problem
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20:59<linbot>Zimsky: [metar] OBS at OICK: 39.2F/04C, visibility 9999 miles, wind 4.60 mph, chill 35.86F (altimeter: ) [OICK 090050Z 33004KT CAVOK 04/M04 Q1022]
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23:28<mmustac>sclemens: jkorang told me hunter x hunter isnt shouen trash.... plz god maybe, just maybe will you watch it with me?
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23:29<NeedInfo>Linode will automaticaly or manually clean hacked wordpress sites?
23:29<nate>NeedInfo: if you have professional services with linode I imagine they would do it, otherwise if all you're doing is paying for a base linode, it's entirely up to you to maintain and keep secure your instance
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23:30<mmustac>^ this guys gets it
23:30<NeedInfo>Yes i know that.. but my wordpress site got hacked on Jan 19 and now everything is normal .. that is why i asked
23:31<NeedInfo>i am not paying for Pro
23:31<nate>Well wordpress has an automatic updater that -might- have triggered
23:31<nate>but that doesn't necessarily mean it's "normal", I would strongly suggest checking all your files for any backdoors
23:31<mmustac> wasnt Linode
23:31<nate>if I were to guess, you probably got hit by that 4.7.0/4.7.1 vulnerability
23:31<NeedInfo>ohh.. i see any good tools or plugin to scan ?
23:31<nate>Curious why you let it go that long however
23:32<nate>Realistically? no. best case scenario if you don't care to pay for someone to audit all your stuff; wipe the linode, restore from last known good files
23:32<NeedInfo>i just received search console message.. i never seen hacked pages myself .. now all pages 404
23:33<NeedInfo>any good tools or plugin to scan ?
23:34<nate><nate> Realistically? no. best case scenario if you don't care to pay for someone to audit all your stuff; wipe the linode, restore from last known good files
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