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00:15<Eugene>Every day I'm Linodin'
00:22<linbot>New news from forum: Feature Request/Bug Report • linode-longview-1.1-5: MySQL: skip-name-resolve <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14548&p=72723#p72723>
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00:49<Marcquos>hello. i'm fromBrazil
00:49<millisa>Greetings
00:49<Marcquos>how can i has your services?
00:49<Marcquos>i want a vps!
00:49<millisa>https://manager.linode.com/session/signup ?
00:50<millisa>The getting started guide is here: https://www.linode.com/docs/getting-started
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02:15<malshar>hi all
02:16<malshar>I'm trying to setup postfix/dovecot email server but I'm getting an error when starting dovecot related to ssl
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02:17<malshar>https://bpaste.net/show/8aba563628d8
02:17<malshar>anyone can help? much appreciated in advance
02:19<nate>perhaps you didn't get a dovecot package/compile w/ ssl support? Otherwise seeing as your log is specifying a specific line and config file, perhaps you should, you know, share the config file with the error
02:19<nate>lol
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02:23<malshar>thats my 10-ssl.conf file https://bpaste.net/show/974a036e4824 the kine specified in the error is just "ssl = required" ,,, i was following linode guide
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02:25<react>required is a bit... heavy-handed
02:26<malshar>thats what the guide specified,,, should i change it to yes
02:26<react>the guide is a guide... yes, I'd change it to yes
02:28<malshar>same error
02:29<react>paste the error in it's entirety, looks like bpaste was cut off
02:34<react>anything more descriptive in the mail log?
02:34<react>malshar ?
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03:28<malshar>thats the mail log https://bpaste.net/show/f3340dea836e
03:30<SNy>http://www.dovecot.org/pipermail/dovecot/2013-March/088784.html
03:31<malshar>journalctl -xe result >> https://bpaste.net/show/6ae268d1f936
03:31<SNy>Try what that guy suggests, ask dovecot about its build options.
03:37<malshar>it still gives the same error
03:37<malshar>root@diode:/etc/dovecot# doveconf -n output doveconf: Fatal: Error in configuration file /etc/dovecot/conf.d/10-ssl.conf line 6: Unknown setting: ssl
03:37<SNy>Ask it about the build options, specifically.
03:38<malshar>bash: ./sbin/dovecot: No such file or directory
03:38<SNy>It supposedly might be somewhere else.
03:38<SNy>"which dovecot"
03:39<malshar>https://bpaste.net/show/757099876e60
03:40<SNy>OK, it has openssl support, so that doesn't appear to be the culprit.
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03:46<SNy>Is that a distro package you're using?
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04:20<malshar>yes it is a distro package, im using a linode 16.04 and all packages from default repository
04:22<kyhwana>Hmm, HE be fucked?
04:22<malshar>and my ssl certificates generated by leencrypt if that means anything
04:23<arlen>what's a linode 16.04
04:23<malshar>i meant ubuntu
04:23<arlen>oh
04:23<arlen>kyhwana: where?
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04:33<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • Can't bind to UDP <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14549&p=72724#p72724>
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05:23<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Newbie here <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14550&p=72725#p72725>
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05:45<SamGoody>Hi all. Want to install Discourse messaging system.
05:45<SamGoody>It uses Docker, but specifically AUFS
05:46<SamGoody>They point to all sorts of errors with docker and devicemanager.
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05:46<SamGoody>The internets all say "linode == devicemanager" and "digitalocean == AUFS".
05:47<SamGoody>But I love my linodes. So, is there some workaround, a way to get AUFS or OverlayFS on Ubuntu on Linode?
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06:14<SamGoody>Hmm, all the silence is deafening. Well, I guess that is where it's at. Bye.
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06:16<dzho>bullet dodged
06:20<Zimsky>that's rude
06:25<dzho>yes, that's what I mean: that attitude of entitlement wrt to community IRC response times is pretty rude
06:26<dzho>pop in before dawn and get huffy that no one's awake.
06:29<arlen>you're awake
06:29<arlen>I'm not though
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06:35<Zimsky>dzho: I was referring to you
06:36<Zimsky>a rude dude in a bit of a mood
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07:27<SNy>malshar: I haven't found any specific mention of ssl not being functional in dovecot packaged by debian/ubuntu.
07:29<SNy>As such, I am at a loss at why it would complain about the ssl setting being unknown, seeing it does say that openssl is part of the build options.
07:30<SNy>Did you install it just before, maybe? Or made an upgrade of sorts (openssl, dovecot itself)? Usually frowned upon, but maybe try a fresh reboot?
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08:38<RahulBisht>hi
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08:40<Rahul>Hi i would like to enquire about linode plans
08:40<Rahul>like what will the hourly cost of 24gb Ram and 200 GB Disk Space with 12 Cores Bandwith 1 TB
08:41<sandeep>https://www.linode.com/pricing > click view larger plans
08:42<sandeep>'view all plans'
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08:50<Jay__>network in SG having issue ?
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08:56<malshar>SNy: I will try a reboot. The linode is a fresh one from ubuntu 16.04 image and i have setup apache already and all is well. just wanted to get the mail server going but its been a pain so far to figure out the source this error
08:59<arlen>Jay__: got an mtr from both directions?
09:01<Jay__>MTR from host to google.com .. 2nd hop 10% PL
09:01<Jay__>where would you want me to trace ?
09:01<malshar>SNy: I rebooted and the same error persist
09:02<arlen>Jay__: pastebin the full mtr from the linode to you and from you to the linode
09:02<arlen>!paste
09:02<linbot>Please paste longer snippets over at https://bpaste.net/ and not in the channel
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09:02<Jay__>sure, i will wait til 100 counts
09:04<malshar>https://bpaste.net/show/0ba56206ef89
09:04<Jay__>https://bpaste.net/show/b61ae8e4e2eb @arlen
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09:08<Jay__>planned to launch a new site and having this :D
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09:11<Shaik>Hi
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09:11<Shaik>Need information on linode server clustering and load balancing ?
09:15<sandeep>Jay__: loss on hops shouldn't matter as long as theres no loss to the destination
09:16<Jay__>but still feeling lagsss..
09:16<Jay__>would you please check
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09:18<jiggawattz>Jay__: packet loss in the middle is just ICMP Deprioritization
09:18<jiggawattz>there's no packet loss to your destination
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09:21<Shaik>is anyone online?
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09:23<jiggawattz>lol
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09:30<SNy>malshar: As I said, this appears to be a very strange issue. No other complaints like that to be found, really.
09:31<SNy>Since it is complaining about the setting as such, changing it to "no" wouldn't help.
09:31<SNy>Maybe if you commented that line and see if it complains about all the other settings as well...
09:32<SNy>I was checking that lowercase l for maybe being a number 1 instead, but from the paste, it appears OK. Also assuming you just changed values from a template.
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09:33<SNy>There's also a "verbose_ssl" option, assuming that the openssl support is missing or incomplete, despite the options saying otherwise, none of the ssl related options should work.
09:34<SNy>So, it should complain about every single on of them. Then, this shouldn't happen at all, and you appear to only one with the issue.
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09:36<SNy>To come back to updates or somesuch, there have been changes to openssl, some have been incompatible, as far as I read. Maybe there's some issue with dovecot and a new openssl lib?
09:37<SNy>But then, unless it is a very new issue, why would you be the first to discover (unless you happen to find yourself in this place often, like I do).
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09:56<mkoerner>QQ - Can I easily scale up my servers using linode?
09:56<arlen>sure
09:57<mkoerner>perfect
09:58<mkoerner>just wanted to make sure. Figured the answer would be yes
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10:17<Jay__>hello... now i have face PL from DO to Linode SG
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10:18<Jay__>https://bpaste.net/show/6607f54e8e10
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10:24<SNy>mkoerner: Note that this doesn't mean you can scale resources on their own. You can scale to a larger/smaller plan, and the resources that come with it.
10:25<SNy>Hm. Too slow.
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11:24<malshar>hi all, i have a mail server setup (postfix, dovecot, mysql) i can send email but i cant receive ... this is my postconf -n results ... https://bpaste.net/show/74eb3378efc1 ..... any help appreciated
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11:31<kdmcguire>Quick question about Linode Managed - does it include performing package updates?
11:31<arlen>no
11:32<kdmcguire>Understood, thank you!
11:32<arlen>they'll answer 3am alerts and follow set instructions you've given. everything else is still up to you
11:33<kdmcguire>Okay, I think I understand the difference. Defined emergency operations, not routine maintenance, right?
11:34<arlen>correct
11:37<kdmcguire>Thank you for the info :)
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12:00<cbirk>malshar: what is the error that you're getting when trying to send
12:00<cbirk>err receive rather
12:01<cbirk>if there is any
12:01<cbirk>most likely it would be dovecot not knowing where to put the received mail
12:03<cbirk>so in this case you have your users in a mysql database, it would be something like "db: cannot find user 'blah'"
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12:16<react>malshar: that doesn't show the error, what's the error in the mail log?
12:17<react>also, if you ask me, using mysql adds unnecessary complexity, I loathe that guide which recommends that
12:17<dwfreed>*shrug* it's not really that complex
12:19<react>I know the guide he's referring to, and if I recall, it says nothing about managing the mysql service (backups, replication, etc.), once it's in place
12:19<dwfreed>it's a single mailserver, why do you need replication?
12:20<dwfreed>mail is a lot more resilient than a website
12:20<cbirk>for once i agree with dwfreed
12:20<cbirk>adding mysql does not add complexity
12:20<cbirk>it makes sense
12:20<dwfreed>if all the MXes are down, the sending mailserver will just retry later, with exponential backoff
12:21<dwfreed>eventually it'll decide the MXes are dead, and deliver a bounce back to the sender
12:23<dwfreed>as far as backups, there are other guides in the Linode docs which cover that; sure, the postfix+dovecot+mysql guide could use a link to that, but if you can't find it on your own, you've got other problems
12:27<react>just because you can do something doesn't mean you should, the spirit of the doc is a tutorial, so just use a flat-file implementation and be done with it, complexity for complexity sake
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12:35<cbirk>react: did he say he was following a doc?
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12:45<malshar>@react https://bpaste.net/show/f459bdd6fa5c
12:48<malshar>react result of postfix status here : https://bpaste.net/show/fb5c8809e75c
12:49<react>malshar: when you upload to bpaste (or any paste service) and share information publicly, you should *sanitize* the post; redact users, hostname, IP addresses, etc.
12:49<malshar>ok sorry i had no idea
12:50<react>it's to protect your vps from unsavory actors
12:51<react>that being said, systemctl is a poor tool for getting information on your problem; how about /var/log/mail.log, say... the last 50 lines?
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12:54<malshar>thanks for letting me know ... this is the mail.err >> https://bpaste.net/show/3547a51d956f and this is the mail.log >> https://bpaste.net/show/2fe506a57580
12:57<cbirk>cert error
12:57<cbirk>rekt
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12:59<react>well, we're closer to the problem, it's progress >_>
13:01<cbirk>malshar: what version of jubuntu is this
13:01<cbirk>and why aren't you using a real OS like gentoo?
13:01<cbirk>:)
13:01<react>malshar: you should define `smtp_tls_loglevel = 1` in your postfix main.cf, restart the service, attempt a new handshake
13:02<react>observe the error, also I'd prolly be more aggressive with mandating certain ciphers and protocols be honored
13:05<react>smtp_tls_loglevel = 1 # http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#smtp_tls_loglevel
13:05<react>smtpd_tls_loglevel = 1 # http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#smtpd_tls_loglevel
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13:09<malshar>i have just changed the certificate after starting the new server and some email clients tried to log and i have updated most of them ..... i will update main.cf and get back
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13:16<malshar>did add the "smtp_tls_loglevel = 1" into main.cf and restarted postfix and dovecot ... still cant receive emails
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13:19<react>malshar: add both the directives I mentioned and simply monitor the handshake, to see if you get any additional information; those directives aren't going to magically fix your problem, but it might help getting some additional information
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13:29<react>malshar: I would also add `mail_debug = yes` into your /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf and `auth_debug = yes` into your /etc/dovecot/conf.d/10-auth.conf for additional visibility; remove all these directives once the issue is corrected, else it will bloat your logs
13:30<malshar>would this be the problem >> https://bpaste.net/show/d5d419907462 >>> i tested the server from an online tool and it indicated not a valid reverse dns ... im sure you have sensed that im not an expert
13:32<react>your smtp server isn't an open relay: that's a good thing
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13:35<react>beyond encouraging you to focus on the logs and increase the verbosity, I can't help you further, you have to do the investigation
13:36<react>(lead a horse to water...)
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13:50<malshar>here is the mail log and error after adding the debug directives >> https://bpaste.net/show/3ed53bf6839f
13:51<malshar>i appreciate you help immensely react, thanks for your advice
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15:41<antiraza>mysql question -- if a setting is present in both my.cnf as well as in another .cnf file in a directory called via a !includedir -- which order takes precendence?
15:41<dwfreed>probably whichever one is last
15:42<dwfreed>taking the position of the !includedir into account
15:42<antiraza>got it -- so it's most likely top to bottom reading order
15:42<antiraza>thanks
15:42<dwfreed>probably
15:43<dwfreed>iirc, mysql has a way to ask what it thinks a config value is
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15:43<millisa>"If an option file contains !include or !includedir directives, files named by those directives are processed whenever the option file is processed, no matter where they appear in the file." https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.7/en/option-files.html
15:44<millisa>(closest reference I found on a quick search)
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15:45<antiraza>!millisa -- i read that
15:45<antiraza>it left me more confused than before
15:45<millisa>sometimes I wonder if that's the mysql doc writers intention...
15:46<antiraza>hehehe
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15:46<millisa>one place seemed to suggest that the order of files in an includedir can't be guaranteed. that's what I like consistency...
15:47<dwfreed>millisa: it probably just uses readdir and processes files in the order readdir returns
15:48<millisa>I don't doubt it. Just makes me uncomfy that if I copied the config to a different system I might get a different order
15:48<dwfreed>that said, reading the filenames into a list and then performing a lexical sort on that list is pretty cheap
15:51<antiraza>yeah there isn't a clear answer that i can find in the mysql docs about precedence in terms of order , eg. a master my.cnf calls include dirs, does the master file override any child calls etc.
15:51<antiraza>haven't found anything that speaks to that
15:51<antiraza>it's odd because i am currently at the default setup -- just post install
15:51<antiraza>and the same config settings are present in multiple .cfs (at default) called via include, with different values
15:52<antiraza>¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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16:36<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Block Storage <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14552&p=72729#p72729>
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16:38<millisa>don't think I'd looked at 'packet' before.
16:39<millisa>The 96 armv8 core system is calling to me.
16:46<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Block Storage <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14552&p=72730#p72730>
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16:52<John_>Possible to pay via debit master card ?
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16:52<millisa>Dont' see why not https://www.linode.com/docs/platform/billing-and-payments#payment-methods
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16:56<linbot>New news from forum: General Discussion • Block Storage <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14552&p=72731#p72731>
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18:27<SNy>malshar: I take it you resolved the unknown setting ssl issue with dovecot? May I ask what the culprit was?
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18:46<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • Can't bind to UDP <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14549&p=72733#p72733>
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18:57<guilhermeb>Hello guys
18:57<guilhermeb>my account linode is pending
18:57<guilhermeb>is correct?
18:57<dwfreed>sometimes it takes a few minutes for somebody to process your signup
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18:58<guilhermeb>how long dwfreed?
18:58<dwfreed>generally shouldn't be more than a half hour
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20:47<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • Can't bind to UDP <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14549&p=72735#p72735>
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22:17<linbot>New news from forum: Linux Networking • Nodebalancer Private IPv6? <https://forum.linode.com/viewtopic.php?t=14553&p=72738#p72738>
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